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Gods/Aedra outside the nine divine Anonymous 04/21/15 (Tue) 00:37:15 No.6576

A bit new to this lorefag thing but I was thinking about what other living Gods/Aedra there may be outside the nine divine, such as gods who appear in other pantheons but don't appear to be just the same gods with different names (Trinimac being an example) and don't seem to be just folklore either. My current interpretation is that while the Nine are the most powerful of the living Aedra who were trapped in Mundus, there are some less powerful Aedra who lived on Nirn and made it into several pantheons (This seems to be the case with many Altmer gods) before dying or could still be alive somewhere on Nirn. Some questions about the Nine vs. possible other Aedra (Not Daedra like in the Dunmer pantheon) that I'd like this board's opinion on are:

>Akatosh vs. Auriel

Most people say that they are just two names for the same god but I found it interesting that in the Cyrodil creation myth the Aldmer were led by Auriel in a war against the races of man and beast, who were in turn led by Akatosh. It would make sense, them being both born from Anuiel due to the middle dawn, but still being separate. So are they the same god or different?

>Arkay vs. Orkey

They have similar names and reperesent similar things but seem to be different gods to me. So are they the same, different, or is Orkey just a Nordic folktale?

>Lorkhan vs. Shor

These are obviously the same god but I was wondering if Shor was actually an aspect (Shezzarrine perhaps?) of Lorkhan that was forced to wander Nirn after his heart was ripped out and possibly aided Akatosh in a war with Auriel, thoughts?

Anonymous 04/21/15 (Tue) 19:07:03 No.6598

Lurk more and lrn2oversouls. Akatosh and Auriel and Tosh Raka and Alkosh and so on are all lesser emanations of the AKA time god, given character and purpose by the religions. They are also Lorkhan because of Enantiomorphs.

Anonymous 04/25/15 (Sat) 14:16:57 No.6680

>>6576

>Akatosh vs Auriel

They are cultural aspects of the time god.

Akatosh is sort of a middle man between Time-God and Space-God.

>Arkay vs Orkey

Same as above.

Arkay was created when Alessia merged the concepts of the Altmeri Xarxes and the Nordic Orkey. Most of the Eight Divines are of merged dichotomy.

>Lorkhan vs. Shor

Once again, cultural aspects

However, its kind of implied that Lorkhan is a gradient above Shor.

They are not Shezarrines -as Shezarrines are mortal-, but a better link can be seen between Lorkhan and Talos when you compare Lorkhan's three main mannish aspects (Sheorr, Shor, Shezarr) with the respective cultural alignments of the individuals in the Talos oversoul (Hjalti, Wulfharth, Arctus).

Anonymous 04/29/15 (Wed) 00:33:49 No.6754

>>6680

I may just be retarded or something but I'm rather confused when people keep throwing "aspect" around all the time. Did I just miss some piece of text that explains this concept (I'm assuming it's more complicated than just the dictionary definition) or is it just purposefully vague?

Anonymous 05/01/15 (Fri) 00:49:04 No.6793

>>6754

Imagine the aspects of a god as cultural interpretations of an archetype, and that each aspect literally exists because people believe they do.

In other words, myth gives each race the power to form their own gods out of the husks that are what remains of Lorkhan and the Eight Aedra. They are different, but since they were all based off the same concept, they are, inherently, the same basic idea.

For example;

Here are varying interpretations of Arkay (for lack of a better term)

>Tu'whacca: Redguard; god of nothing until mortals became a thing. Guides souls out of the cycle of life and death into the Far Shores. Called the "tricky god".

>Xarxes: Aldmeri; scribe of Auri-el, sometimes said to have ascended into heaven. Records the lives of all Mer and links them to their ancestors.

>Orkey: Nordic; evil trickster god who curses Nords with short lifespans. Summoned Alduin's spirit to eat the nords at one point.

>Arkay: Imperial; believed mixture of Orkey and Xarxes. Said to have ascended to the heavens at one point. Watches over the cycle of life and death

I'd recommend reading Tu'whacca, Arkay, Xarxes.

http://uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Tu%27whacca,_Arkay,_Xarxes

Anonymous 05/25/15 (Mon) 18:51:53 No.7267

>>6793

So would I be correct in saying that the original Aedra (and Lorkhan) that created mundus are dead and that the gods worshiped in Tamriel were formed from some sort of residual energy from the corpses (plane(t)s) of the original Aedra?

Anonymous 05/26/15 (Tue) 03:00:54 No.7278

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>>7267

I guess you could say they're dead, but that is assuming that death is something that you can even apply to the Aedra.

Death, in TES, is really an Illusion of sorts. An image of non-existence, created by Lorkhan and given to mortals right before their spirits get thrown back into the cycle of rebirth. It's a rule that was made to be broken.

The Aedra, I'd say, are dormant; they're still there, but not really. Kind of disconnected from the world, in a sleep-state of sorts. I feel like Vivec explains their state well.

>Perhaps for other gods, the completely immortal ones, it is only like that being asleep. Out of time. Me, I exist at once inside of time and outside of it.

>When I die in the world of time, then I'm completely asleep. I'm very much aware that all I have to do is choose to wake. And I'm alive again. Many times I have very deliberately tried to wait patiently, a very long, long time before choosing to wake up. And no matter how long it feels like I wait, it always appears, when I wake up, that no time has passed at all. That is the god place. The place out of time, where everything is always happening, all at once

Their planets sit out in the sky as never ending proof of their existence and what they had accomplished.

Anonymous 08/16/15 (Sun) 20:05:21 No.8143

If the story of Magnus and others tearing holes into aetherius as they flee Mundus can be believed, there are thousands of gods. Just look at the number of stars in the night sky.