Anonymous 09/28/14 (Sun) 02:43:19 No. 677 [Last 50 Posts]
This s'wit pisses me off.
Anonymous 09/28/14 (Sun) 06:31:25 No. 683
>>677 cus stormcloacks are gay
get rekt fetcher
Anonymous 09/28/14 (Sun) 07:14:11 No. 685
>>677 It's true and as a true Nord, you're either too stupid, too drunk or both to realize you're playing into the hands of the Thalmor. Around elves, watch yourselves but those Dunmer you hate are just proles who probably never owned slaves and had their homeland nuked and raided by scalies.
Anonymous 09/28/14 (Sun) 09:43:41 No. 687
>>677 >because you're a Shezzarine Excuse me?
Anonymous 09/28/14 (Sun) 09:50:12 No. 688
>>687 There's no Shor in Sovngarde because you can't look yourself in the mirror. You're also mantling Tiber Septim and Talos (with other two parts being Ulfric and Tulius). And remember that inn in the Reach where you meet a ghost of a soldier who fought with Tiber Septim and he calls you Hjalti.
Anonymous 09/28/14 (Sun) 10:12:32 No. 692
>>688 >There's no Shor in Sovngarde because you can't look yourself in the mirror. I'm sorry but that sounds stupid.
…by killing elves?
niggawut
No, I don't. Link to the UESP page please?
Lorkhatosh 09/28/14 (Sun) 10:45:29 No. 693
>>687 >>692 Not him but Dragonborn being a Shezzarine is a possibility. It mainly arises because
A) Ghost of Old Hroldan straight up says that you are Hjalti (one of the aspects of Talos) and Talos is Shezzarinic as everyone knows
B) Akatosh and Lorkhan are twin brothers of Enantiomorph on this subgradient and every Dragonborn has been slightly or extremely Shezzarinic in case of Talos oversoul mantling Lorkhan
Here is UESP but I suggest you actually research on your own instead of relying on wikias
http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Shezarrine As for the rest
>I'm sorry but that sounds stupid. It's not stupid and is a possibility
I have a much simpler explanation though, LORKHAN IS A MISSING GOD, HE ISN'T THERE BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT HE DOES
>…by killing elves? Again I am not one of the people who strongly insist on Dragonborn mantling Talos but first years of Hjalti/Tiber were very somewhat similar at least from being a champion of someone else in a war aspect
Plus again Ghost of old Hroldan considers you to be Hjalti
>niggawut Not hard to understand a possible enatiomorph in everything
Tulius is King
Ulfric is Rebel
Dragonborn is observer
If you don't know what an enantiomorph is I can explain it
>No, I don't. Link to the UESP page please? And again try to research on your own
Anonymous 09/28/14 (Sun) 10:56:21 No. 696
>>693 No, I meant a link to that quest page. I never did that quest.
Anonymous 09/28/14 (Sun) 11:02:59 No. 697
I assume the quest is
http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:The_Ghost_of_Old_Hroldan The Ghost doesn't seem like the most reliable source.
I'm sorry, I'm really tired, the implication isn't really that in a violent world like TES someone is mantelling someone else because they're both warriors right?
Also that whole enatiomorph concept is interesting. But surely there needs to be more than just a king, a rebel and an observer.
Lorkhatosh 09/28/14 (Sun) 12:16:15 No. 705
>The Ghost doesn't seem like the most reliable source. >I'm sorry, I'm really tired, the implication isn't really that in a violent world like TES someone is mantelling someone else because they're both warriors right? >Also that whole enatiomorph concept is interesting. But surely there needs to be more than just a king, a rebel and an observer.
Anonymous 09/28/14 (Sun) 12:20:05 No. 706
>>705 >Ghost that actually fought together with Hjalti is a very reliable source to me Don't forget that he doesn't spawn until you become dragonborn by absorbing a dragon soul. It's obviously delibarate.
Lorkhatosh 09/28/14 (Sun) 12:21:54 No. 708
>>706 It does play well into theory but very often it's accidental game design
In case of Ghost of Old Hroldan they just might have not wanted to activate quest till you become Dragonborn for some reason, there are other quests like that
Anonymous 09/28/14 (Sun) 19:10:32 No. 718
>>677 >So this self-hating, loathsome, pitiful social justice warrior Nord Remember, he's a war veteran. As in, a veteran for the imperial legion…
As in, the empire that, for a few centuries, had an altmer as "vice president". That had a dunmer arch-mage (fyr) as a member of its congress…
The man's probably seen mer who are loyal to the empire die defending it against the thalmor.
you're the damn dragon born – use your CHIM to make him unessential and kill him…
Anonymous 09/29/14 (Mon) 02:35:11 No. 744
>>677 >Ulfric is the hero that Skyrim needs and the most based individual in all of Tamriel. Yeah, sure.
If there was any indicator Ulfric really believes the shit he spouts and if he wasn't an honorless fetcher who executed his biggest fan because he could.
Also, if there wasn't currently a need for some kind of strong, stable empire to oppose THE THALMOR UNMAKING THE WORLD.
Anonymous 09/29/14 (Mon) 04:26:28 No. 765
>>718 > a dunmer arch-mage (fyr) as a member of its congress… Wat? When did this happen?
Anonymous 09/29/14 (Mon) 13:54:19 No. 817
>>765 Read the Nu-Mantia Intercept, he's part of the elder counsel (As is the dude who you bring the puzzle box to in Morrowind, apparently) as well as a close friend of a high ranking blade (Either Caius Cosades or Jauffre) who told him when Uriel was murdered, wanted to go to Cyrodil because he KNEW what was going to happen, and he KNEW he would be able to help tremendously. (The Dragon's Chilled Blood) He was ordered to stay in Morrowind, and so he basically told all his students to go to Cyrodill and help.
Real badass guy.
Anonymous 09/29/14 (Mon) 14:36:03 No. 820
>>677 >can't kill him What are console commmands?
Setessential <his id> 0
Anonymous 09/29/14 (Mon) 19:34:25 No. 834
>>817 Goddamnit, Divayth, stop one-upping yourself in terms of awesomeness.
Or do you want people to go around saying you're the only playable Elder Scrolls hero who hangs around after doing his job again, even though you are to fucking old to be an apprentice during Battlespire?
Anonymous 09/29/14 (Mon) 20:33:22 No. 846
>>685 Suck a duck, you elf-loving piece of shit.
Anonymous 09/29/14 (Mon) 20:42:31 No. 847
>>846 >That pic >Implying that Ulfric is descended from Talos.
Anonymous 09/29/14 (Mon) 21:16:56 No. 849
Anonymous 09/29/14 (Mon) 21:37:57 No. 856
>>847 >Implying that Ulfric is descended from Talos. But the Dragonporn is
Lorkhatosh 09/29/14 (Mon) 22:00:18 No. 859
>>856 Dragonborn is not connected to Hjalti, Wulf, Zurin or Talos in general by Bloodline at all
Anonymous 09/29/14 (Mon) 22:16:42 No. 860
>>859 Through the blood of Akatosh he is, though
Anonymous 09/29/14 (Mon) 22:18:42 No. 861
>>847 Ulfric is "Old Hold" nobility, he is undoubtedly related to Hjalti Early-Beard and Wulfharth by either blood or marriage.
The Last Dragonborn is not necessarily of "Talos blood". He has Dragon blood but he probably isn't a direct descendant of the Septims(especially not if he's a Khajiit or Argonian). He is a new source of a dragon bloodline, just like Miraak, Alessia, Wulfharth, and Hjalti.
Anonymous 09/29/14 (Mon) 22:31:47 No. 862
>>861 >Ulfric is "Old Hold" nobility, he is undoubtedly related to Hjalti Early-Beard and Wulfharth by either blood or marriage. Lel wat
Hjalti was not a Nordic nobility at all, like not even remotely connected to them, hell he was probably born on Alcaire
He went from being a treasure champion of Cuhlecain straight to Cyrodiil as fast as he could
>and Wulfharth Same with Wulf
He had role of Godking and was in times before proper Nordic holds and shit, hell he didn't even have any kings past certain point and then he became an Ash wraitb zombie ghost thing
Anonymous 09/29/14 (Mon) 22:43:45 No. 865
>>860 Ok so the Dragonborn is Lorkhan's 5th cousin 135739 times removed, so what?
Anonymous 09/29/14 (Mon) 22:48:11 No. 866
>>865 Original argument is that Dragonborn should team up with Ulfric; Ulfric gets to rule Skyrim and Dragonborn gets Empire.
The argument uses Talos blood as a way to reference Dragonborn. While it isn't technically correct on the most intuitive level, it's obviously talking about his dragon blook, which he shares with legitimate emperors. That's the point; no argument, only clarification
Anonymous 09/29/14 (Mon) 23:14:47 No. 869
>>846 I don't love elves you dense s'wit just because I take pity on people who got blasted in the ass by a volcano after toiling in ash their whole lives. The problem is with puppet masters and people too blind to see the strings.
Anonymous 09/30/14 (Tue) 06:39:20 No. 875
>>865 Except Lorkhan and Akatosh have intersecting spheres. Lorkhan is space and Akatosh is time. They can mantle one another at times, they may have come from separate adas but the way the timeline ended up they're two sides of the same coin.
Even their totem animals are similar looking: Lorkhan is a snake and Akatosh is a dragon.
It gets even more bizarre when you consider Talos, who has Lorkhan as his heart but is a living god rather than a dead one: he mantled Lorkhan without becoming Lorkhan, but rather becoming a living version of Lorkhan who is also Lorkhan's human descendant. Shor son of Shor, as the Nords sometimes say.
Lorkhatosh 09/30/14 (Tue) 09:27:17 No. 878
>>875 >And it is said that he emerged into the world like a Padomaic, that is, borne by Sithis and all the forces of change therein. Still others, like Fifd of New Teed, say that beneath the Pelinal's star-armor was a chest that gaped open to show no heart, only a red rage shaped diamond-fashion, singing like a mindless dragon, and that this was proof that he was a myth-echo, and that where he trod were shapes of the first urging. >O Aka, for our shared madness I do this! I watch you watching me watching back! Umaril dares call us out, for that is how we made him! I don't think it has been stated that Lorkhan and Aka are two sides of the same coin as blatantly and as much as in Song of Pelinal
Anonymous 10/01/14 (Wed) 02:43:44 No. 894
>>688 >There's no Shor in Sovngarde because you can't look yourself in the mirror. There's no Shor in Sovngarde because mortal eyes can't see him. Pic related.
Your life is similar to Tiber's because you're both Dragonborn in Skyrim. The only similarity that is actually unique to both you and Talos is befriending a red dragon (Nafaalilargus and Odahviing). Tullius and Ulfric also aren't even close to filling the roles of Arctus and Wulfharth.
Again, you're both Dragonborn. You both have the soul of a dragon. Hjalti was possibly not even Shezarrine himself until he became Talos, which was after the battle of Old Hroldan.
You're most likely not a Shezarrine, but you're definitely a Dragonborn, in case you missed the many times you were told so in the game. A Shezarrine WOULD be able to see Shor on his throne, because most Shezarrines are not mortal (if any). On the other hand, if your theory about why you can't see Shor was true you'd be unable to see Alduin as well.
Lorkhatosh 10/01/14 (Wed) 16:20:21 No. 902
>>894 Somewhat agree with this guy
THAT BEING SAID
I totally see some Shezzarinic traces in Last Dragonborn, he has it in him to become a Shezzarine
Lorkhatosh 10/01/14 (Wed) 16:24:48 No. 903
>>894 >>902 Oh and
>because most Shezarrines are not mortal is not true because Hjalti became Shezzarine, Arctrus became Shezzarine retroactively and even King WUlfharth himself certainly was a mortal at some point, at least until he died the first time
Pelinal is an artificial Ada anyway, he doesn't count
Anonymous 10/01/14 (Wed) 21:51:12 No. 913
>>903 And none of them have ACTUALLY died.
Anonymous 10/02/14 (Thu) 01:09:55 No. 915
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>>677
Tweaker 10/03/14 (Fri) 03:31:56 No. 961
stormcloaks a shit
Anonymous 10/04/14 (Sat) 09:31:46 No. 1027
>>744 >executed his biggest fan because he could. Torygg was either so incompetent that he would be considered insane or he said nice things to Ulfric's face to avoid pissing him off, then ignored those things he said.
Torygg had multiple chances to secede but he decided not to and kept telling Ulfric "next year".
He decided not to because he was surrounded by Imperial money and pro-Imperial advisors and it's just one of those advisors that tells the sob-story about how Torygg super secretly really liked Ulfric.
Maybe it was a shit strategic decision, maybe it was unethical, but Ulfric didn't commit any murder, he didn't execute Torygg and Torygg was never going to come around to him.
Anonymous 10/05/14 (Sun) 03:42:49 No. 1044
>>915 But aint Atmora even more frozen over than your shitty palace, by now?
>>1027 >Torygg had multiple chances to secede but he decided not to and kept telling Ulfric "next year". >Torygg was never going to come around to him. Torygg was so impressed by Ulfrics ONE speech about not taking shit from the Empire, that, when Ulfric came for a second time, years later, he let him come by for a visit, 'cause Torygg thought "He's gonna honestly ask me to seceed this time and I'm gonna say 'fuck YES'."
Instead, Ulfric challenged him to a duell he couldn't reject, despite being a young fuck going up against a seasoned veteran.
And then Ulfric did use a fukken supernatural power, instead of swordmanship to drive Torygg to the ground. At that point he could propably have Torygg do anything, he wanted… if the High King wouldn't have done so anyway.
Instead he stabbed him.
Ulfric is either dangerously unstable (possible result of Great War Trauma and Thalmor captivity?) or blatantly lying about why he does his stuff.
Anonymous 10/05/14 (Sun) 06:05:29 No. 1050
>>1044 Sybille Stentor- the only person to ever say Torygg was impressed by Ulfric- first says Torygg would have listened to him, but then in another dialogue path says Torygg would never have betrayed the Empire.
So, Torygg was going to blow him off again.
Second, they knew this and they knew Ulfric knew this. They knew, before Ulfric was even inside the walls of Solitude, that he was going to challenge Torygg. Stentor and Falk Firebeard say this. Stentor says they tried to shut the gates before Ulfric entered, but they were too late.
He challenged the king and the king accepted. Had he declined Torygg would have lost power when the next Moot was declared, which could have been a long while away.
Third, the voice is not supernatural. In TES it's natural and just the same as any other magic. It's just that Torygg didn't have any chance of facing up against Ulfric because he spent his time fucking his wife and buying her presents and not working to defend his crown.
Fourth, Torygg died by sword. Falk Firebeard and Ulfric both say this.
Anonymous 10/05/14 (Sun) 11:13:24 No. 1056
>>1050 >Fourth, Torygg died by sword. Falk Firebeard and Ulfric both say this. Never claimed any different. Stabbing the guy you just duelled, without declaring it a duel to the death beforehand is still one hell of a dickmove, at the very least.
Can't remember ever hearing this.
Still a rare skill, and I'd like to point out that, both the voice and magic make people uncomfortable and are viewed as supernatural, no matter what your personal definition of the word is, so it's kind of unfair to use in a duel.
Anonymous 10/05/14 (Sun) 19:48:25 No. 1067
>>1056 >so it's kind of unfair to use in a duel Extremely debatable, the greybeards of course are pacifists and strongly object to the use of the voice in a martial endeavor like that but the voice historically has been used to solve the greatest conflict in nord history.
It's a rare skill but it's not completely out of reach for some people like say the force in star wars. It just takes hard work and dedication. If Ulfric had bested Torygg using a sword style he was unfamiliar with would that be unfair? The tradition of that duel seems to be that if a king is too weak to defend his throne then he deserves to lose it. If that tradition is still valued than Ulfric did nothing wrong but obviously the conflict here is that the empire doesn't think it should be.
Anonymous 10/06/14 (Mon) 00:53:16 No. 1072
>>1056 So you're saying the vampire mage cunt lied to make ulfric's crime seem even more senseless?
Anonymous 10/06/14 (Mon) 06:38:00 No. 1074
>>1056 >without declaring it a duel to the death beforehand He knew it was a duel to the death, just like Sybille Stentor and Falk knew. They knew before Ulfric had even gotten to Solitude.
They knew this so well, that's why they were desperate to shut the gates to prevent Ulfric from being able to make his challenge.
>>1056 >Can't remember ever hearing this. Well it's in the game files and I definitely heard it.
Having one guy who is more likely to win duels duel against another guy who is less likely to win duels is also unfair.
Maybe it would have been better the combatants were handicapped.
Anonymous 10/06/14 (Mon) 18:11:55 No. 1089
>>915 consult the chart, snown'wah
Anonymous 10/12/14 (Sun) 23:11:31 No. 1319
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Anonymous 10/18/14 (Sat) 02:44:04 No. 1598
>>677 >dude is a disillusioned vet that believes in helping others >asks ethnic minority person if they believe they should be second class citizens after the war >ethnic minority bizarrely says yes >dude thinks you're retarded >calls you a fetcher from then on What's hard to get?
Anonymous 10/18/14 (Sat) 08:13:53 No. 1610
>>1598 Swit ur readin bilities, n'wah?
Anonymous 10/20/14 (Mon) 02:48:24 No. 1721
>>677 C'mon man, no need to stoop so low to call the man an Thalmor.
Anonymous 10/25/14 (Sat) 11:34:16 No. 2052
>>1319 >essential >textdump in console >kneels over for the next two minutes >gets back up
Anonymous 11/05/14 (Wed) 04:58:37 No. 2429
>>2052 Are you on console or something? Everyone dies in my game, nigga
Sage 11/13/14 (Thu) 14:12:39 No. 2822
>>677 > random guy calls you names >goes to anonymous imageboard to complain Sound like a milk drinker to me.
Anonymous 11/18/14 (Tue) 15:47:05 No. 3002
Anyone remember that one quest in Skyrim where you break into the Thalmor embassy and find a note essentially admitting the Thalmor are using Nordic independence to divide the Empire so that man can't stand united against the Thalmor?
Anonymous 11/18/14 (Tue) 21:39:01 No. 3014
>>3002 >A Stormcloak victory is also to be avoided, however, so even indirect aid to the Stormcloaks must be carefully managed. -The source that you think is proving the Stormcloaks wrong.
Anonymous 11/21/14 (Fri) 04:37:14 No. 3141
>>915 Shouldn't have tried killing them all.
Anonymous 11/21/14 (Fri) 04:43:32 No. 3142
#NotYourShield
Anonymous 11/21/14 (Fri) 04:51:37 No. 3143
This is now a Stormcloak thread.
Anonymous 11/21/14 (Fri) 08:20:17 No. 3147
>Stormcloaks think that all Thalmort want is territory >Not realizing that what they truly want from Skyrim is destruction of Throat of the World, so only the Numidium would remain as an only thing holding time in time.
Anonymous 11/21/14 (Fri) 23:29:05 No. 3180
>>3147 >so only the Numidium would remain as an only thing holding time in time. Eh, what? Numidium, you mean the very first tower to be deactivated?
Anonymous 11/21/14 (Fri) 23:30:28 No. 3181
Anonymous 11/22/14 (Sat) 00:27:26 No. 3183
>supporting stormcloaks >supporting the thalmor conspiracy
Anonymous 11/22/14 (Sat) 06:09:40 No. 3199
>>3183 >the whiny imperial shills who got kicked off Morrowind's grand council for sucking imperial dick, only to go to Windhelm's Grey Quarter and spread their treachery there >literally the happy merchants of TES
Anonymous 11/22/14 (Sat) 07:28:13 No. 3201
>>3147 Towers do not support the world. They're just tools for its manipulation. If the Thalmor want any Tower, it would be Ada-Mantia, because it's Zero Stone is the Convention that first bound mortals to Nirn.
Anonymous 11/22/14 (Sat) 13:12:02 No. 3205
>>3183 >supporting imperials >supporting the thalmor conspiracy I wonder who could be behind this post
Anonymous 11/25/14 (Tue) 21:13:06 No. 3358
>>3147 Even if we assume the towers really do uphold the material existence of the Mundus, Green-Sap are still active, as is Ada-Mantia. Bosmer being Bosmer - spineless Altmeri collaborateurs and generally feeble-minded - it could be argued that Green-Sap are in immediate danger as they lie within Aldmeri Dominion territory.
However, Green-Sap are part of Valenwood and thus I'm willing to assume that the Bosmer, being fanatics about "muh Y'ffre", would at least attempt to protect it.
Anonymous 11/25/14 (Tue) 23:47:35 No. 3368
>>3147 Wait a minute. Numidium still exists?
Why don't the Thalmor just activate it and end the world, if that's what they want? Or is Numidium uncontrollable? Then how did Tiber Septim use it? CHIM?
Anonymous 11/26/14 (Wed) 03:29:33 No. 3380
>>3368 Tiber Septim had the magic Totem of Tiber Septim, which could only be used by those of his bloodline.
>>3358 Green-Sap is Falinesti, which rooted itself shortly before Oblivion. Most assume that means that it's disabled.
Anonymous 11/26/14 (Wed) 11:51:36 No. 3402
>>3380 Yes and no. Green-Sap is several towers that constitute one. Valenwood is essentially dotted in individual parts of Green-Sap, the Graht-Oaks, travelling trees that cross Valenwood.
Falinesti is the city built on top of the most well-known Graht-Oak, and as such is considered representative of Green-Sap, but isn't its totality.
But let us assume that Falinesti rooting implies all the Graht-Oaks are rooted: there's still a whole bunch of them and each of them is sacred by the stipulations of the Green Pact.
If Green-Sap is inactive, it'd have to be through removal of the Stone. Green-Sap's Stone is said to be either a seed - more specifically, the acorn from which the Graht-Oaks were seeded - or "a fruit" according to MK.
Either way both Tower and Stone are integral parts of the Green Pact and if Bosmer are good for one thing then I'd expect that to be the protection of their sacred charges.
Anonymous 11/27/14 (Thu) 19:23:19 No. 3487
>>3368 Numidium, IIRC, still technically exists, but it's popping in and out of time everywhere right now.
Mostly it's just popping into existence for a second on a farm in Summerset Isle to scare a chicken before popping out of existence again.
Anonymous 11/28/14 (Fri) 05:04:11 No. 3514
>Next game takes place in Valenwood >Aldmeri Dominion completely beats back empire, controls significant portions of Tamriel. >Aim to shut down Green Sap >Wood Elves disagree >Mythical centerpoint of the game is the revival of the Wild Hunt against the Thalmor, as the Aldmeri Dominion dissolves into infighting
Anonymous 11/28/14 (Fri) 07:49:19 No. 3516
>>3514 So fucking sick of xenophobic yellow elves. Worst antagonists in TES.
Anonymous 11/29/14 (Sat) 17:32:15 No. 3551
>>2429 Using the "kill" command doesn't work on NPCs set to essential. It just triggers a really long kneel state.
Anonymous 11/30/14 (Sun) 23:53:31 No. 3572
>>3551 setessential <npc Id> 0
So difficult.
Anonymous 11/30/14 (Sun) 23:55:59 No. 3573
>>677 >not playing as Altmer and joining Stormcloaks to Roleplay as Thalmor spy DURRRR
Anonymous 12/02/14 (Tue) 01:46:07 No. 3598
Still pisses me off that you can't reunite all the Empire together again, and proclaim yourself as ruler.
Anonymous 12/02/14 (Tue) 14:50:31 No. 3610
>>3598 That's kind of outside the scope of Skyrim's political importance and if we're going to measure dragon blood percentage then Alduin would probably be the top contender for the throne. The Empire also isn't shit, that's just Ulfric's retarded country yokel opinion.
Anonymous 12/02/14 (Tue) 15:50:23 No. 3613
>>3610 >being Thalmor pets >not shit
Anonymous 12/02/14 (Tue) 18:09:20 No. 3616
>>3613 Yes, that's what I was referring to, your point being?
Anonymous 12/02/14 (Tue) 18:22:18 No. 3617
>>3616 point being that does make the Empire a joke.
Anonymous 12/02/14 (Tue) 18:39:31 No. 3620
>>3617 No, I meant the retarded country yokel opinion part. All empires lose wars and have to make concessions from time to time, and the Thalmor are frightfully powerful, far beyond what Ulfric with his silly little Voice can ever imagine.
Anonymous 12/02/14 (Tue) 20:58:22 No. 3624
>>3610 You should be able to at least take over skyrim…
The empire is kind of shit when compared to old-days empire, and they're working far too closely with the Thalmor for my tastes.
Alduin is a full-blooded dragon, so he doesn't count.
Anonymous 12/02/14 (Tue) 21:04:05 No. 3625
>>3620 They're not so powerful, otherwise they'd not be trying to split the Empire again.
The war between the two was more or less met with a stalemate, leaving both parties pretty much broken.
Thalmor came out on top because they were mostly on the offensive, from what I understand.
Basically meaning to say that, if you could gather up the Empire together again, unite the free peoples of the nation against the thalmor threat, push at them through too many fronts for their damaged military to react to, you could break their influence.
You might not be able to take them over, mind. But who cares? Pushing them out is good enough.
Anonymous 12/03/14 (Wed) 16:08:41 No. 3652
>>3625 The Empire is also pretty powerful, and the Empire isn't the Thalmor's goal anyway. They want it manageable, because they don't want to waste time and resources constantly spreading their forces all over Tamriel to put down rebellions. But they can do that, if they have to, because the provinces can't oppose the Thalmor on their own, not if they want to stop the Thalmor. The Thalmor seek to unravel the Mundus itself, temporarily kicking them out of a couple of provinces won't stop that. That's why they want Ulfric free but not in control, because Ulfric in control means wasting a lot of time and resources fighting him and the other provinces of the fractured Empire, while Ulfric making trouble means an intact Empire that can't gather its strength due to infighting. Weak Emperor or not (and we really don't know much about that), the Elder Council probably still exists, and they aren't fools. They certainly understand more than Ulfric, and Ulfric, in all his ultra-predictable brainwashed meatheadedness, could never be an actual threat to the Thalmor compared to what the EC and Empire is, if if he could be he wouldn't be allowed to persist with what he's doing.
Anonymous 12/04/14 (Thu) 08:19:01 No. 3678
>>3652 >Ulfric in control means wasting a lot of time and resources fighting him and the other provinces of the fractured Empire Why does Skyrim have to be a part of the Empire?
Why can't the Cyrodiils just let people who want to govern themselves and stop getting milked for gold be their own country?
Why can't Skyrim secede and then join in treaty with Cyrodiil against the Aldmeri Dominion?
At the end of the day the Nords did a third of the fighting for the Empire and then got shafted in every way possible.
At the end of the day, it's Cyrodiils using the excuse of a future war so that they can rule over Nords.
Stop reading the loretards shit about the EC being some sort of Illuminati. That hasn't been true since the Alessian Empire.
The Elder Council is just the senate of the Empire, made up of whoever is powerful enough to convince the Emperor they should be on the council.
It is not a continuously existing body, it is made up of mortal men and elves.
In numerous instances the Elder Council were stated to be stupid and to have nearly ruined the Empire with their idiocy and greed.
Every argument based upon "Ulfric is an idiot" is basically bullshit as
a.) people make shit up about how racist & dumb he is, without being able to give good evidence
b.) the Empire's leadership is just as idiotic and it's only track record is that of screwing up their own shit.
Anonymous 12/04/14 (Thu) 15:40:49 No. 3680
>>3678 >Why does Skyrim have to be a part of the Empire? Because Empire stronk.
>Why can't the Cyrodiils just let people who want to govern themselves and stop getting milked for gold be their own country? Yeah, because that's totally what's happening.
>Why can't Skyrim secede and then join in treaty with Cyrodiil against the Aldmeri Dominion? For what fucking purpose? It wouldn't strengthen either Skyrim or the Empire in any way, and good luck getting Ulfric to allow Imperial troops in Skyrim to fortify the province or recruit from there (and the Legion >>> Nord warriors). Besides, there's not even any way of telling whether the other Jarls would care about such treaties, because they aren't loyal to Ulfric or whatever deals he signs, especially not if he starts allying with the Empire the moment they secede from it.
>got shafted in every way possible Because of Ulfric, or rather because he was such a convenient pawn for the Thalmor to use as an excuse to strengthen their presence in Skyrim. He's basically an unaware agent provocateur.
>At the end of the day, it's Cyrodiils using the excuse of a future war so that they can rule over Nords. No, their "excuse" being that Skyrim has been part of the Empire for fucking ages and that there's not exactly any unified desire to secede, and that what's good for Skyrim and everyone else is a unified Empire, because there's a war going on and the stakes are a bit higher than Ulfric and his hanger-ons would ever be able to grasp. The country's not even unified in the desire to secede. Also, the evidence for Ulfric's stupidity is quite simply the complete lack of intelligence displayed from him and his allies. They have literally no other argument than "The Empire is weak for signing treaty, we want to raid independently now." And how, how, is the Empire's track record simply its leadership screwing up? Because they had to sign a treaty with the most dangerous organization likely to ever exist?
Anonymous 12/04/14 (Thu) 16:22:16 No. 3681
>>3680 >the Empire beheads innocent civilians >the Empire uses torture >the Empire bows to Thalmor You may call them strong, but I call them corrupt to the bone.
The Empire is not what it used to be anymore.
The Thalmor have raped Cyrodiil in the Great War. Lots of it is destroyed, and The Empire had to sign the White Gold Concordat, effectively capitulating to the Thalmor. Hell, they even had to agree on banning Talos to not be raped more by those elves. Tell me how the fuck a not only weakened, but completely and utterly beaten Empire can do anything against the Thalmor? They are forced to do what those filthy piss skinned Elves tell them, or they get eradicated.
The only thing able to weaken them now is guerilla warfare. And who do you think is more likely to be successful in such attacks? The stuck up Cyrodiils who only can march in formation and blindly follow orders, who might have families imprisoned in Elven Concentration Camps?
Or the savage but cunning Nords, who refuse to be subdued by outer forces?
Who have a hero reborn, the Dragonborn, who has two dragons on his side, who carries Wuuthrad, who breathes fire.
Anonymous 12/04/14 (Thu) 16:43:15 No. 3683
>>3681 >beheads innocent civilians Yeah, that was pretty sloppy, but it doesn't reflect the Empire as a whole, just that officer.
>uses torture Hello, welcome to pre-Human Rights eras, whoops we still torture people.
>bows to Thalmor But this is so stupid. Of course you have to give something up when you're on the brink of destruction and don't want to be pushed over it. The idea that signing a treaty is an objectively bad thing… I mean, would it have been better if the Empire had fought a losing battle and ceased to exist, in order to fulfill some kind of sentiment of masculine honour? I mean, you realize that "my way or the highway" isn't something to stick to always, especially not if other people will needlessly die if you do? Armies like the Legions can be reformed, heroes and events and internal strife can cripple your enemies, lots of things can happen but not if you're already dead. So how is being dead the better alternative here? Why does it matter if the Dragonborn comes from Skyrim? We don't even know which side he canonically picks, and his existence in Skyrim doesn't automatically make it a better idea to secede. The opposite, if anything, should he turn out to be the hero necessary to turn the tide (which is highly unlikely), because then you definitely want to be part of an organized resistance greater than your own province. You say the Nords refuse to be subdued again, but they already ARE subdued, they were subdued along with the Empire, if the Empire is too weak to do anything then Skyrim is also too weak to do anything, and even if they could throw the Thalmor out of Skyrim, which I doubt, again, that doesn't actually defeat the Thalmor. The enemy is still there, you know? Sentiments like "death before dishonour" and "never compromise" are fine and all, but what about actually accomplishing something? What would Skyrim accomplish by seceding, how would it help anyone or anything?
And regarding gorilla warfare: The Empire isn't in the way of that. The Jarls don't have warriors despite the Empire, the Empire has never tried to stop them from having their own warriors. How does being part of the Empire get in the way of gorilla warfare? How is Legion presence harmful to a hypothetical war effort?
Anonymous 12/05/14 (Fri) 10:02:56 No. 3713
>>3683 Again, what fucking good is an Empire controlled by Thalmor? How the fuck can the Empire do anything?
And why should anyone who wants to fight The Thalmor side with it? It can do fuck all about it. The second tthe Empire raises a sword against the Thalmor, it is annihilated. Siding with the Empire means capitulating to the Thalmor and accepting everything they demand or else.
How the fuck can Skyrim help the Empire by being eaten alive? Care to tell me that? The Nords are, as you previously said, shitty warriors, and Skyrim is so weak, in your opinion, what fucking difference does it even make?
Do you think that by joining, Skyrim magically makes the Empire strong again?
Fuck your Empire. It's a corrupt entity seeking to devour every nation before it dies, spreading it's weakness.
Anonymous 12/05/14 (Fri) 11:07:50 No. 3714
>>3713 The Empire is not controlled by the Thalmor, not even Ulfric claims that. The Empire can do something, or at least everything that Skyrim can do solo and more, due to its much greater military forces, competence, wizards, and ability to co-ordinate the provinces. You now seem to be arguing that absolutely nothing can be done against the Thalmor, which confuses me, because what is Skyrim then supposed to accomplish on its own? The Empire is not just Cyrodiil, the Empire is also the provinces, do you mean that the Empire somehow makes its provinces weaker?
Joining? Skyrim doesn't have to join the Empire, Skyrim is and has always been part of the Empire.
So I'm still confused. What exactly do you think that Skyrim can do against the Thalmor, without being part of the Empire?
Anonymous 12/05/14 (Fri) 11:29:05 No. 3718
>>3714 >greater military force do we even have any numbers?
After the Great War, it could be as little as 10000 men.
Anonymous 12/05/14 (Fri) 12:21:06 No. 3720
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>>3680 >Yeah, because that's totally what's happening. There are multiple references in game as to how all the decisions in Skyrim are being made based upon making more for merchants.
>For what fucking purpose? It WOULD strengthen Skyrim as it wouldn't be tearing itself apart. The pro-Imp side wouldn't be propped up by Imperial legionaries and supply lines and the civil war would end.
Skyrim's the furthest province from Summerset Isles, it doesn't need Imp troops stationed there except to put down rebellions.
>got shafted Third of Imp legionaries that fought in Great War were Nords, taxes in Empire have gone up to rebuild Cyrodiil, they've stolen their god and the Thalmor Justiciars were simply a matter of time.
say the Imperials.
If the Legions had stayed out of Skyrim, the conflict between Nords would have ended with Ulfric as victor. That indicates more than half of Nords support him.
>The Empire is weak for signing treaty, we want to raid independently now Not
>The Empire was cowardly for signing the treaty >Every day more Thalmor agents enter the Empire and Skyrim >Every day they develop more contacts >Every day more brown-nosers make devils-deals with Thalmor for their own greed that will end up fucking humanity when the war comes
Anonymous 12/05/14 (Fri) 12:32:56 No. 3722
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>>3683 >brink of destruction Imperials have just recaptured the City.
Fresh soldiers from Skyrim have come south.
Your men are still fighting in Hammerfell along with an entire population of angry Redguards.
High Rock has contributed nothing yet and is completely undamaged.
Imperials have decimated the Aldmeri armies and only have the Altmer navy and Bosmer and Khajiit land forces left, who will stay in their territories.
They could have gone on to retake Hammerfell.
They could have pushed for peace with absolutely no terms whatsoever.
Instead they accept the White Gold Concordat- Dominion gets to stay in Hammerfell, Thalmor get embassies wherever they want, Talos worship is banned and Thalmor agents get free reign throughout any Imperial province.
The Empire is in fact weaker now than it was immediately prior to the Great War, whilst the Dominion has been recovered.
Imperials took a legal challenge and made it a war that has killed half of Skyrim because of their fear and greed, 100% knowing that the Dominion will invade again and knowing that they will need Nord soldiers to help repel them.
It was an absolute strategic disaster to even attempt to put down the Stormcloak rebellion. Skyrim should've been granted independence immediately.
Because now when the war happens no Nords will go south to help the Empire- the loyal ones will be trying to cling to survival whilst the pro-Stormcloaks will be taking over.
>>3714 >The Empire is not controlled by the Thalmor, not even Ulfric claims that Yes he does. Galmar says so as well.
Plenty of people say that.
Empire probably can't do shit without the Thalmor knowing beforehand.
Do you think the Thalmor found out about Ulfric being captured from Stormcloaks?
Or maybe they got that info by having their headquarters next to the Imperial seat of power in Skyrim.
Anonymous 12/05/14 (Fri) 12:46:26 No. 3723
>>3683 >The Empire isn't in the way of that. The Jarls don't have warriors despite the Empire, the Empire has never tried to stop them from having their own warriors. How does being part of the Empire get in the way of gorilla warfare? How is Legion presence harmful to a hypothetical war effort? This is retarded.
It's against the law to attack the Thalmor.
If a Jarl under the Empire decided to kill some justiciars the Thalmor would demand he be executed for breaking the treaty or else war will happen.
And this is the whole problem with the Empire: it spends more energy and effort trying to keep others in line that it does resisting the Thalmor: others whom could have been allies if they'd been treated fairly, but have become enemies after being ordered to be slaves.
Prior to the Great War the Empire had the Blades and what ever other agents they wanted to stop the Thalmor infiltration and they failed completely.
Now they're supposed to know that the Thalmor mean them harm, but they let the Thalmor in, give them rights and then actually help them to dismantle the Empire.
The Dominion threatens war if the White Gold Concordat is broken, but if the Empire has been rebuilding its military for a rematch then the Dominion should want to avoid war just as much as the Empire.
So it's an empty threat, one that the money makers of the Empire are happy to delude themselves into believing because cooperating with the Thalmor makes money better.
Anonymous 12/05/14 (Fri) 12:48:36 No. 3724
>>3723 I fetcher my picture
Anonymous 12/05/14 (Fri) 15:16:51 No. 3725
>>3718 Legion + Nords > Nords, in terms of number and strength. In terms of strength, as fighting forces of equal numbers, Legion > Nords.
>>3720 If saying that giving in to Ulfric would strengthen Skyrim then you may as well jsut ssay that Ulfric giving in would strengthen Skyrim. Sure, Skyrim now is at its weakest due to the internal strife, which is why the Thalmor like it that way. But Skyrim united and part of the Empire is stronger than Skyrim united and on its own. And why do you consider Ulfric's claim to be better? The land is divided between the Jarls, why should the Jarls siding with the Empire give in anymore than Ulfric should? And why is the Empire cowardly for signing a treaty when they would have been annihilated otherwise? Why would the destruction of the Empire be a good thing for the anti-Thalmor provinces, what's the benefit in the Empire's destruction for the Empire's former provinces? And of course more Thalmor agents enter Skyrim, Ulfric is giving them an excuse to. Believe it or not, the Thalmor abide the White-Gold Concordat, at least officially. They needed an undeniable reason to increase their presence in Skyrim and suppress Talos worship, because before Ulfric they couldn't prove such worship and couldn't justify increasing their presence there. It was a clause that wasn't enforced until Ulfric gave them the excuse to enforce it.
And again, you don't actually give any kind of way that Skyrim could defeat the Thalmor. Sure, kick them out for the time being: How does that defeat the Thalmor in the slightest? Skyrim does not, and will never have, the ability to defeat the Thalmor on their own, and Ulfric can never understand or gauge the strength of the Thalmor, because the Thalmor's methods and goals are beyond his understanding. He doesn't understand the conflict beyond "Empire weak with no honour, muh ancestors are crying."
>>3723 >It's against the law to attack the Thalmor. Of course it's against the law, they have a treaty against it and aren't openly warring. It's also against the law to attack the High Rock embassy, or random travellers. That doesn't mean that the law is worth shit once the war openly starts again, whether the Thalmor or Empire decides it's go time. And as you say, the Empire is rebuilding for another go. As you say, the Thalmor wants to avoid another go, because it's not their objective to destroy the Empire and they prefer it weak rather than non-existent. That's why they have Ulfric to seed dissent and weaken the Empire, that's why they're provoking him and the Nords. There was a law against Talos worship before Ulfric started making a fuss about it, and because nobody was making a fuss about it and still kept on worshipping Talos in secret, the Thalmor couldn't justify stronger presence in Skyrim, and the Empire could rebuild its forces. Now Ulfric is making a fuss about nothing and the Empire and Skyrim are weakened and can't rebuild their forces, while the Thalmor rub their yellow hands with glee. Ulfric is not contributing to the strengthening of Skyrim OR the Empire, because the Empire and Skyrim were both recovering just fine until he split the country in half.
Anonymous 12/06/14 (Sat) 02:47:10 No. 3741
>>677 Sounds like you need to be culturally enriched.
Anonymous 12/06/14 (Sat) 03:52:33 No. 3743
>>3725 >entire first point Your argument is literally that people should give up sovereignty of their own country and they're s'wits if they want to govern themselves.
More jarls support Ulfric than the Empire, it's just that the Empire uses military force to replace the Jarls that disagree- see Falkreath
The moot elects a new king and the majority would elect Ulfric: this is Skyrim's law and the Imperials are fucking with it
You're not understanding: the Empire wouldn't have been destroyed. It won the war on the mainland of Tamriel and repelled the Dominion invasion: the Empire SHOULD have pushed for a treaty to expel all Dominion soldiers and agents from Cyrodiil. They had the upper hand.
No Empire means nobody to stop Skyrim from helping Hammerfell kick out the Dominion.
No Empire means no legionaries helping Thalmor abduct and torture people.
Nobody has to defeat the Thalmor on Summerset Isles.
They just have to keep them out of their own provinces. Skyrim can do that fine: Nords are a huge reason why Cyrodiil isn't part of the Dominion.
It's not fucking rocket science: Thalmor are trying to fucking kill people and control their lives. If every time they sail over to kill you, you drive them back, they can't do shit.
You literally brought up the point about how the Jarls could be fighting the Thalmor themselves
Anonymous 12/06/14 (Sat) 08:54:00 No. 3746
>>3723 >It's against the law to attack the Thalmor. If a Jarl under the Empire decided to kill some justiciars the Thalmor would demand he be executed for breaking the treaty or else war will happen. While he'd probably be "removed" from power, I would wager the Empire would hum and haw about actually doing anything. Just like they've done for Talos worship.
They might not stop the Thalmor if they tried to do something about it [not directly, anyway], but they'd avoid doing it themselves and likely postpone the whole thing based around trivialities.
Anonymous 12/06/14 (Sat) 10:17:56 No. 3747
>>3746 Ulfric basically did the same thing except with another aspect of the White Gold Concordat- Talos worship.
The Empire arrested Ulfric and imprisoned him. He only barely got released at all.
You would think heresy would be a lesser offence to the Thalmor than straight up killing its members but they'd gotten the Empire- not the Thalmor themselves, Imperial Legionaries- to arrest Ulfric and let him rot in a jail.
The only reason Ulfric wasn't imprisoned for life or executed was because the Thalmor were actually trying to groom him as some sort of agent provacateur.
Any other Jarl's son and he'd be dead.
Anonymous 12/08/14 (Mon) 11:26:40 No. 3803
>>3743 Give up sovereignty? They already have, they did it ages ago. No, the Empire didn't win and then give up, we don't know if it could have won or not, because we don't know the Thalmor's strength, and neither did the Empire. You don't just bet your existence on the hope that your enemy's strength is depleted. Knowing is half the battle and all that. Kicking out the Thalmor doesn't help anything, it's a momentary movement of that particular front that in no way creates an opening to defeat the Thalmor. There's no purpose in doing it, it accomplishes nothing, except giving the Thalmor even greater justification for invading Skyrim again and doing it the hard way this time, since the Empire can't justify getting involved in a conflict between the Dominion and an independent province. Diplomacy matters.
Anonymous 12/08/14 (Mon) 11:43:09 No. 3805
>>3803 Somehow I get the feeling that you are a Thalmor spy trying to weaken Skyrim.
Anonymous 12/08/14 (Mon) 12:17:05 No. 3806
>>3805 There are two things you must consider in war above all else in order to emerge victorious: how you can defeat your enemy, and how your enemy can defeat you. How can you defeat the Thalmor, how can the Thalmor defeat you. That's what the Empire is about right now, that's why they don't give a fuck about the moot unless the moot helps them defeat the Thalmor. It's just a common wartime concession, it's not a good reason to secede and weaken both yourself and your allies. Right now, what matters is winning, not the law, because the law is meant to uphold society, if it leads to its downfall it's become a problem and nothing more.
Anonymous 12/09/14 (Tue) 09:10:49 No. 3831
>>3803 >Give up sovereignty? They already have, they did it ages ago So they can never have it again? The Nords were never never conquered by the Empire, they've only ever been a part of it if it's beneficial.
Kicking the Thalmor out stops the Thalmor from gathering intelligence, it lets Talos worship continue and it keeps people alive.
The Dominion are already using trumped up shit to justify whatever they want to the Empire and don't need to justify anything to themselves.
The Dominion never invaded Skyrim and if they did the Empire would gain from that.
The Dominion would be prosecuting a war in a province the second most distant from Alinor.
Their supply lines would be stretched either across hostile land or around half of Tamriel.
They'd have to sink elves and resources into a war against a people that despises them in a land that'd try to kill them.
Maybe the Nords couldn't defeat the Dominion, but the Dominion could never take Skyrim.
Anonymous 12/09/14 (Tue) 18:05:59 No. 3836
>>3831 >So they can never have it again I din't say that, I said that giving it up and reclaiming it are two completely different things and now is not the time to do so. The Thalmor don't give a fuck about intelligence about Skyrim, it's no what they're after, just like they're not trying to kill everyone in Skyrim (at least not now). Skyrim is in chaos because the Thalmor likes it that way, because it weakens the Empire, and Ulfric is the unwilling pawn for throwing Skyrim into chaos. Now, if Ulfric could think of something better than the Empire? Shit, go for it. But Ulfric isn't the man to do that, he can't do it, he's a patriotic chest-beater who doesn't understand large strategic goals, other cultures, co-operation, or compromise. The only thing worth replacing the Empire with is something better, and I've yet to see any sign of anything like that. Skyrim was stronger when everyone worshipped Talos in secret, and the Empire was stronger, and both were recovering. Simply pretending that no-one worshipped Talos worked, and there was no point in making a big deal out of it like Ulfric did. Sure, Talos worship should be allowed, but the reality of the situation was that allowing it would only fuck humanity in the ass. So instead, they banned it officially but allowed it inofficially, and the Thalmor couldn't do anything but gnash their teeth about it, because diplomatically speaking they needed an excuse to do something about, and Ulfric gave them one. And the Dominion can take Skyrim. The Dominion can take any single province, if they want to. The Dominion beat the fucking Empire. At least, that's my interpretation, but leaving that aside, shit, let's say you're right, the Dominion can never fully occupy Skyrim if Skyrim is given free reins to fight them. But we don't know if the Thalmor even have to do that, because the Thalmor's methods are a mystery. For all we know, they can simply unravel the Mundus without occupying Skyrim. Does it matter if Skyrim is occupied or not when that happens? I personally don't think so. It'd be a case of winning the battle but losing the war. As for fighting a distant war, how does that matter if the Thalmor don't have to worry about the Empire's interference along the way? If the Empire interferes with their logistics, it's open war, and the Empire isn't ready for that. We don't know anything about the Thalmor's naval capacity either, except we do know they're far ahead of Skyrim technologically. That's the problem with the Thalmor, so little is known about them. You can't just throw your continued existence on the hope that the most technologically advanced culture, with the most numerous and powerful wizards, would be bothered by logistics in the way that the Nords understands it. That is, if they were serious about conquering Skyrim, which I don't think they are.
Anonymous 12/09/14 (Tue) 19:33:09 No. 3837
>>3836 >The Thalmor don't give a fuck about intelligence about Skyrim -Stahlrim (in Morrowind technically, but never mind)
-Dragons
I'd say they do care about Intel on Skyrim.
>Pretending to not worship Talos worked Exept for those murdered and imprisoned by Thalmor
>Ulfric is a partiotic chest beater A patriotic chest beater without any tactical knowledge who beat Tulius, who, being a general, should have lots of tactical knowledge.
>t-the Empire fights the Thalmor! I swear! I yet have to see that. All I see is "Yes my Elven overlord, of course we will chop their heads off"
>The Dominion can take every single province with ease Why the fuck doesn't it just go for it then?
Because Thalmor propaganda is full of shit. They can't afford a war on multiple fronts. Nobody can. You're full of shit. And I won't bother deciphering that ungodly wall of text you just typed together.
Do some god damn formatting, you n'wah.
Anonymous 12/09/14 (Tue) 19:53:21 No. 3838
>>3836 The empire is a rotting carcass, a pale shadow of it's former self. It would be better for everybody if the empire broke up. There may be some animosity, but when push comes to shove, all men, and probably the Dunmer too, will come together to resist the Thalmor.
Anonymous 12/09/14 (Tue) 23:38:00 No. 3842
>>3837 Dragons, sure, but that's not exactly something that has to do with Skyrim's leadership or military or anything. Very few were murdered or imprisoned until Ulfric went full retard, because the Thalmor's presence was weaker due to not being justified in accordance to the treaty. So did Ulfric improve the situation?
>beat Tulius The hell he did, unless you mean with the help of the Dragonborn, which doesn't exactly count since either side is able to win with his assistance. If anyone was winning prior to that, it wasn't the guy who came seconds from being executed. I never said Ulfric doesn't understand tactics either, I said large strategic goals, which is something else. The Empire doesn't fight the Thalmor and I said nothing of the sort, I said they're trying to regain strength to do so and until then will actively avoid fighting the Thalmor (openly). I also said "any single province," not "every single province," also two very different things.
>>3838 So what if it's a shadow of its former self, do you know a better alternative? I'm all for better alternatives. Provinces don't just come together automatically in order to fight a common enemy, someone needs to lead a coalition like that, otherwise everyone will be fighting on their own and lack the ability to take the fight to the Thalmor outside of their native provinces. And what if there's just not enough strength to be mustered? Unite all men, and still lose? Definitely a possibility.
Anonymous 12/10/14 (Wed) 04:25:37 No. 3844
>>3842 I think if the Empire recalled it's legions back to Cyrodill and left the other provinces to their own devices, they could very well hold back and possibly push back against Thalmor advances, especially if they could get some assistance from the other provinces. One of their problems was how spread out their armies were across the entire continent.
Anonymous 12/10/14 (Wed) 10:28:58 No. 3854
Why doesn't some anti-thalmor advocate just make a dark pact with a daedric prince to WMD part of the Dominion, weakening them enough to be taken in a war?
Anonymous 12/10/14 (Wed) 11:48:44 No. 3857
>>3842 Listen, m8, your shilling for the empire won't make me change my opinion.
Morrowind: The Empire came, enforced laws (ban on ebony and dwemer trading) to be able to mine ebony for themselves (Caldera) using the slaves condemned by the Empire itself.
Once the Oblivion gates spawned, the Empire retreated to fight the daedric invasion in Cyrodiil, leaving Morrowind defenseless.
I tell you, the same shit will happen in Skyrim: The Empire devours mine after mine, and runs away once more dragons or more Thalmor show up to rape them.
Skyrim had better to kick the Empire out and work together with Morrowind.
Anonymous 12/10/14 (Wed) 12:59:34 No. 3860
>>3857 Big whoop. Stormcloaks are massive s'wits too. So are the Dark Elves. Pretty sure nobody isn't a massive dick.
Anonymous 12/10/14 (Wed) 15:08:23 No. 3861
>>3860 Except for being a nation of retarded, drug-addicted thieves, Elswyr is ok. They seem to be the only nation that isn't out-right malicious on some level.
Anonymous 12/11/14 (Thu) 15:04:43 No. 3893
>>3844 Perhaps possible, but I question the Legion's strength if it can't recruit from other provinces. Cyrodiil on its own would probably get raped while the other provinces were busy kicking the Thalmor out, and then suddenly all of Tamriel lies open to the Thalmor, who haven't lost much in the process of being kicked out of the other provinces.
>>3857 >Skyrim work with Morrowind Yeah, I'm sure two of the historically most bitter enemies will do great work fighting together for independence. That's exactly what the Dunmer long for, Nord raiders looting and pillaging their province.
Anonymous 12/12/14 (Fri) 04:01:03 No. 3906
>>3893 If Morrowind doesn't trust Skyrim the high king gave them an entire fucking island and permanent refugee status in Skyrim, then the Dunmer are cunts.
Promethean 12/13/14 (Sat) 00:10:25 No. 3921
>>3906 They gave them the shittiest part of Skyrim that already had a native population and only to keep them from taking it by force out of necessity.
Anonymous 12/13/14 (Sat) 02:50:26 No. 3922
>>3861 But Elsweyr were the ones to break the truce against Valenwood during the Five Year War.
Anonymous 12/14/14 (Sun) 02:30:36 No. 3938
>>847 Isn't Ulfric descended from Ysgramor? I could be wrong about this but he is the Jarl of Windhelm after all.
Now that I think about it, he reminds me of him in some ways. Sitting in Ysgramor's throne, owning the Jagged Crown, being associated with Vignar Grey-Mane who's a member of the Companions, fighting against elves to save his people.
Anonymous 12/14/14 (Sun) 06:26:05 No. 3941
>>3938 Probably, but I suspect being descended from Ysgramor is sort of the nord version of being descended from Genghis Khan.
Anonymous 12/15/14 (Mon) 04:30:53 No. 3969
I was hoping more changes to Skyrim would be apparent when the Stormcloaks took over.>Imperial calendar is still the common method of measuring the months and years(Thought this might be common in all parts of Tamriel) >Penitus Oculatus still operating in Skyrim openly without the Stormcloaks taking any objections to this. >Imperial Cult is still the state religion, just with more Talos. This was kind of expected yeah, but it would be nicer if there were more changes, like Akatosh's philosophy being "officially" changed from serving your Emperor to serving your High King or something.
Anonymous 12/15/14 (Mon) 14:40:30 No. 3977
>>3969 >exchanging an early medieval country's currency in a matter of weeks and making trade more difficult for everyone involved >making a new calendar just for the sake of being contrarian >stopping (admittedly foreign) intelligence agents from investigating a common enemy's activities in your country despite having none of your own And a Stormcloak is still a Stormcloak. When the Khmer Rouge's took over Cambodia, they remained Khmer Rouges, because they didn't abandon what they stood for. Well, not officially at least. As for battalions of followers, there are mods for that if you're so keen on breaking the game.
Anonymous 12/15/14 (Mon) 16:43:02 No. 3979
>>3969 you forgot
>thalmor embassy still existing
Anonymous 12/15/14 (Mon) 17:11:06 No. 3980
>>3979 >not marshalling your forces and cementing your position as High King before going to war
Anonymous 12/15/14 (Mon) 17:35:27 No. 3981
Anonymous 12/15/14 (Mon) 20:38:08 No. 3990
>>3981 Wiping a nation's embassy off the face of the Earth is considered an immediate declaration of War. If Skyrim secedes they won't be on good terms with the Thalmor but they won't immediately be at war with them because the White Gold Concordat wouldn't apply to them any more since they aren't part of the Empire. The Thalmor would be the instigators of the next war against Skyrim unless they wanted to wait for Ulfric to declare war, which he wouldn't do until Skyrim recovered and was fortified all to fuck. Also the Dragonborn would probably have his back.
Anonymous 12/16/14 (Tue) 13:30:58 No. 4006
>>3990 It's not a Nation's embassy, it's a White Concordat enforcing group.
They make no sense in a free Skyrim.
by the way, are there still Thalmor Justiciar patrols as well? if so, there's no way to explain that.
Anonymous 12/16/14 (Tue) 16:14:49 No. 4009
>>4006 There's a perfect explanation:
Bethesda being too lazy to alter the MQ around a no longer existent embassy.
Anonymous 12/16/14 (Tue) 19:01:26 No. 4010
>>4006 >The tide comes in and it goes out Call it what you want, the result would be the same.
Anonymous 12/17/14 (Wed) 09:59:35 No. 4022
>>677 Folks like to pretend Ulfric is some kind of huge racist s'wit for putting the Dark Elves and Argonians in separate districts.
First of all, letting any outlander take residence in your city is clearly a big fucking deal to these people, since you have to fight a war, kill a dragon, or clear out a vampire den to be even be considered worthy of purchasing a home in any hold of Skyrim. For the Dark Elves to have been allowed into the city in mass numbers to become a real minority, they couldn't have all done massive Dragonborn-level quests, and were probably let in based on nothing more than the kindness of the Nords hearts in the first fucking place, as a special exception. Being bigoted against them isn't warranted or anything, but to act like they have no reason to fight in the name of their new home is to show some serious lack of appreciation on their part.
Secondly, separating the Argonians and the Dark Elves is a really, really good idea if you know their history. In the ESIII Morrowind days, Dark Elves, including 2 of the 3 houses excluding Rhedoran, traded Argonians around as slaves. Shortly after the Oblivion Crisis, Argoninas took their revenge by invading Morrowind, and doing a damned good job of it too. If there are any two races that hate each other in TES (besides the Nords and the Altmer)(and the Bretons and the Orcs), it's those two. Keep them the hell apart!
The only legitimate instance of Ulfic being a racist is in Free-Winters dialogue, where he says Ulfric doesn't stop criminals from preying on the elves. Other evidence of this? Little. But why would he lie? He has nothing to gain by making Ulfic look like a bad guy and turning people toward the Legion. Oh… wait…
OP Pic related.
Anonymous 01/23/15 (Fri) 22:51:09 No. 4771
>Supporting either the Empire or the Stormcloaks >Not gaming the system to make a truce between the Empire and Stormcloaks to avoid bloodshed and keep Skyrim's warriors alive so they're ready to kick Thalmor ass…
Anonymous 01/23/15 (Fri) 23:57:48 No. 4776
>>4022 >The only legitimate instance of Ulfic being a racist is in Free-Winters dialogue, where he says Ulfric doesn't stop criminals from preying on the elves.
Anonymous 01/24/15 (Sat) 05:54:46 No. 4811
>>4776 >Ulfric isn't evil >he's just stupid
Anonymous 01/24/15 (Sat) 22:02:17 No. 4840
>>3743 >it's just that the Empire uses military force to replace the Jarls that disagree- see Falkreath That's not what happened even in Denegir's paranoid account of his dejarling. He got kicked out when the nobles of Falkreath called for a replacement, either because Denegir went bonkers over time or because Imperial agents bribed them, take your pick.
Anonymous 02/01/15 (Sun) 07:07:09 No. 5037
>>4811 >Hitler isn't evil >he's just stupid
Anonymous 02/02/15 (Mon) 12:05:22 No. 5078
>Ulfric is evil
Anonymous 02/03/15 (Tue) 00:02:51 No. 5094
>>4771 >not using console commands to set everyone as unessential and single handedly wiping out every single person from skyrim
Anonymous 02/06/15 (Fri) 05:17:24 No. 5129
>>5037
Anonymous 02/08/15 (Sun) 19:05:55 No. 5151
Anonymous 02/10/15 (Tue) 00:02:49 No. 5161
>>846 >help stormcloaks liberate skyrim >dominion instantly invades and conquers Skyrim, it's defenders already exhausted from war >empire can't do shit because army got fucked >dominion now poised to invade Cyrodil again from two directions Great going Ulfric, you massive retard.
Anonymous 02/10/15 (Tue) 01:45:59 No. 5162
>>5161 >Bethesda needs a way to make it so neither side wins entirely yet without removing your choice. >mfw that means the Thalmor are going to be controlling Skyrim regardless in TES VI. Either this or Skyrim is destroyed like Morrowind was.
Buffscale 02/10/15 (Tue) 09:30:55 No. 5166
>>5165 All lead by the great Buffscale McThundertail!
Anonymous 02/10/15 (Tue) 15:02:16 No. 5170
>>5161 By endgame the LDB is well on the path to mantling Tiber Septim. I'm thinking in the next game we might hear of a "Dragonborn conqueror" in the north or something.
Given the cyclical nature of so many things in Tamriel, isn't it about time we had another Ysmir sweeping down from the north?
Either way the Cyrodillic empire has been looking to be on it's way out for some time now. Hell, Wulfarth pops down just to tell the Nerevarine the empire is toast and just, y'know, give him a general pat on the back besides.
Anonymous 02/11/15 (Wed) 05:18:42 No. 5191
>>5166 No Buffscale. You have to remove spooky ghost and skeletons, they are far more of a challenge than the Empire or Stormcloaks for they do not tire.
Anonymous 02/11/15 (Wed) 19:50:34 No. 5210
>>5162 thalmor should be in control either way.
the thalmor pretty much have the empire as a puppet state. so theres two ways it goes down.
the empire sends in the real forces to fuck skyrim up
Skyrim is still in control of the empire but with less bloodshed
Anonymous 02/12/15 (Thu) 09:06:07 No. 5239
>>846 FUG DA MER GOMMIES DA TREE OF LIBERDY GODDA BE WADERED WIDDA BLUD OF BATRIOTS
Anonymous 02/15/15 (Sun) 03:55:28 No. 5304
>>5165 You scaly coldblooded fucks couldnt take the cold idiot.
Anonymous 02/15/15 (Sun) 03:57:55 No. 5305
>>5210 >want nothing to do with the main quest line >just want to be a girl who's adventuring through skyrim >always get did you see those dragons and bullshit thrown into my face
Anonymous 02/16/15 (Mon) 15:52:55 No. 5351
>>5305 >dragons in a game centering around dragons boohoo
Anonymous 02/16/15 (Mon) 23:27:04 No. 5363
>>846 >nothing concrete Has this n'wah even checked the ulfric dossier? He might not be a plant but he's playing into thalmor hands
Anonymous 02/17/15 (Tue) 01:23:25 No. 5370
>>5363 >Has this n'wah even checked the ulfric dossier So many people purposely misinterpret this dossier. The only reason Ulfric is considered an asset is because the Thalmor want the war to continue. Ending the war on either side foils their objective.
Anonymous 02/17/15 (Tue) 03:52:00 No. 5373
Anonymous 02/17/15 (Tue) 08:12:09 No. 5387
>>846 >He has no Talos blood in him >implying Tiber Septim had any blood heirs le lying Septim face
Anonymous 02/17/15 (Tue) 10:40:29 No. 5390
>>5370 You do realize it's left vague enough so you can choose which side you believe.
Personally I choose that Ulfric is a foolish fetcher.
The Empire is mans only hope of surviving the Thalmor menace. The Stormcloaks are playing right into their hands by weakening the Empire's hold over Skyrim.
Anonymous 02/17/15 (Tue) 14:10:06 No. 5393
>>5390 I'm talking about the dossier dude not the civil war in general. I honestly couldn't give less of a fuck which side you choose because we all know how either side will lead to the same ending.
Anonymous 02/18/15 (Wed) 01:42:22 No. 5405
>>5393 The dossier is left vague as well.
Unless Bethesda pulls a Bioware with transfer saves.
Anonymous 02/18/15 (Wed) 13:36:42 No. 5426
Anonymous 02/18/15 (Wed) 16:34:41 No. 5431
>>5390 >Empire only hope of survival against elves >Empire got fucked up so bad they had to agree to the banning of their chief deity/founder of the empire. The empire was dying before even Uriel Septim VII got assassinated. Caius Cosades even said the empire was dying back in Morrowind, 200+ years prior to the events in Skyrim.
All it took was one little war. The Nords were right to rebel. The Empire is only looking out for itself at the moment, has no interest other than sucking elf dick long enough to stay alive.
Anonymous 02/18/15 (Wed) 18:43:46 No. 5437
>>5431 >The empire was dying before even Uriel Septim VII got assassinated. Talos agrees
>The Emperor is getting old. Don't know how much longer he'll hang on. So is the whole Empire, for that matter. Getting old, that is. The Emperor and the legions have held the Empire together for hundreds of years. It's been a good thing, by and large. But maybe it's time for a change. Time for something young and new. What? No idea. Because I'm old. Old dog doesn't get new ideas. But maybe young folks like you should try some new ideas. I don't know. Could be messy. But change is never pretty
Anonymous 02/24/15 (Tue) 09:34:48 No. 5604
>Literal nig-nogs defeat the Dominion with 0 outside help >Mouthbreathing retards ITT think that Nord masterrace can't do the same despite not even having a land border with the elf untermenschen
Anonymous 02/24/15 (Tue) 12:31:49 No. 5605
>>5604 Your inadequate thu'um couldn't shake your boyfriend's prostate.
Anonymous 02/24/15 (Tue) 15:53:01 No. 5606
>>5604 >Nords >even comparable to the most humble Yokudan child Face it, milk drinker, your "master race" is a bunch of unwashed nationalist goons and they will
NEVER EVER be half the warriors the Redguards are.
Anonymous 02/24/15 (Tue) 19:45:01 No. 5609
>>5605 That's not what your mum said last night m80
>>5606 >pic related >redguard IDF will defend this You may wish to get your delusions of grandeur looked at by a professional
Anonymous 02/25/15 (Wed) 02:00:52 No. 5619
>>5614 >merely conquering people >somehow comparable to cutting an island so hard it explodes
Anonymous 02/25/15 (Wed) 02:31:33 No. 5621
>>5619 >merely conquering people. >somehow merely conquering people who explode islands. >not even realizing nobody can fucking use the pankratosword anymore. >not even realizing the Greybeards can summon Shor's Ghost and Ysmir back into the world if needed.
Anonymous 02/25/15 (Wed) 08:06:04 No. 5632
>>5619 Well no, one is a practical bit of geopolitics and the other is the sword singers going full retard.
Anonymous 02/25/15 (Wed) 23:23:40 No. 5644
>>5370 against exhausted imperial army
Great going liberal morons.
Anonymous 02/26/15 (Thu) 02:13:47 No. 5652
>>5644 >>5646 You guys do realize I'm saying that the dossier
doesn't prove Ulfric to be a bad guy, right?
Anonymous 02/26/15 (Thu) 04:01:39 No. 5653
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Anonymous 03/19/15 (Thu) 23:06:20 No. 6059
>>3002 No, and that's the biggest misconception everyone seems to have about the Civil War. The Thalmor want there to be a constant state of war, so Skyrim can be easily destroyed by the two weakened armies.
Also, although Ulfric is mentioned in that dossier as being an "asset", he's been telling them to fuck off and the Thalmor don't want a Stormcloak victory either
Anonymous 03/19/15 (Thu) 23:35:04 No. 6061
>>6059 Careful anon, apparently saying Ulfric isn't an asset is thalmor shilling.
see
>>5652 >>5653
Anonymous 03/21/15 (Sat) 04:39:50 No. 6089
>>5619 >implying blowing up your own civilization is something to be proud of
Anonymous 04/13/15 (Mon) 02:22:36 No. 6422
>>677 Yeah really. I said the same thing and then he gets pissed, tell me to check my privilege as a Nord and proceeds to dis me. I actually yelled GO BACK TO TUMBLR AND GET TRIGGERED YOU STUPID Thalmor! at the screen.
Anonymous 04/13/15 (Mon) 02:43:39 No. 6424
>>6089 Wait… you mean it's not?