/tes/ - The Elder Scrolls Discussion

>>6872

sigh… that word filter is a giant pain in the ass sometimes

>>6876

It's pretty easy to forget that n-a-z-i and s-j-w are word filtered if you don't have a reason to use them for a few months

>>6879

and yet, they see frequent use on this board

>>6872

This. Hopefully Bethesda will do a better job representing them in the next game. I mean, don't get me wrong, I think anyone who knows what the Thalmor are really all about would have a legitimate excuse to hate them, but it bothers me that casuals tumblerinas just see them as s'wits and mooks and kill them on sight or "because they are arrogant".

Lol therefore confirming the savagery and barbarity of the human mind, apparently.

>>6874

The Thalmors are real and they ent Jews!

Seriously, I think the Thalmor=Jews thing has little basis, unless one just uses the Thalmor as an empty receptacle to act as whoever one hates.

>>6874

>>6876

It's time for you to return home. Here's the door: http://8ch.net/pol/index.html

I think they're cool from a lore and perspective standpoint. But I don't 'like' them for the same reason I don't like most bad guys in fiction.

They were presented like literal Thalmors in Skyrim, though I sort of explain that away by thinking it's the most hostile place in all of Tamriel for them, save for Hammerfell, and thus only the toughest, cold as fuck, niggas be sent there to enforce their law.

I'm hoping we get to go to the Summerset Isles in 6, because I think we desperately need to see the other side of the coin on their home turf.

>>6879

Oh, I'm sorry, outlander. You mean nazi and sjw?

>>6888

Thanks, goy, but you're really the one that should be going there. You obviously need to be educated on WW2, and probably a multitude of other things.

thalmor Thalmor

I'm pretty sure Imperials are actually the Jews of skyrim. They even have the big noses to go with it.

>>6901

Fair point but unlike the Jews the Thalmor can actually back up a lot of their Master Race claims.

I mean, we don't speak Hebrew and our entire conception of Science isn't based on Jewish traditions. Things are different in Tamriel though.

>>6901

Your description of jews matches the same one for the NSDAP, though.

muh chosen aryan volk, muh 19th century pseudoscience and artificial mythology

if you don't realise how desperate you sound trying to take the analogy away from your favorite fascists and pin it on da joos, then you should probably take a break from the internet

>>6913

That ain't western society. English is real and it ent Hebrew.

Thalmor types for some reason. A mix of contrariness and the usual yaoi fangirl love of Thalmors I think.

I refuse to discuss Thalmor when retards and subhumans compare them to da j000s or muh 6 gorillion dem ebil Thalmors.

You're both idiots. Thalmor, as well as most lore doesn't fit into such drawers.

They were presented fine in Skyrim. Borders got closed and civilians aren't allowed out of Alinor. Of course you'll see only brutal and most loyal soldiers out there.

Altmer were presented fine. There's an altmer in Windhelm and guess what she says - Dunmer are retarded for refusing to integrate into the society and that she's doing fine because she doesn't go against the grain.

Skyrim did nothing wrong on this front except giving us too little metaphysical lore on them.

>>6874

>The Thalmor

>Na­zi Germany

>the Jews

>Talos worshippers

Yeah, no. I don't see your correlation to that guy and Jews. GTFO /pol/

>>6901

Holy shit, JEWS DON'T EVEN EXIST IN THE ELDER SCROLLS UNIVERSE. Shut the fuck up.

>Thalmor

literal no-fun Thalmors

and they're just like the already awful imperials except even worse overall excluding incompetence

should be killed on sight

>>7495

This. Can we keep the spamming of 'goy', 'shill', 'jews', 'Thalmor' and 'trump4prez' to its containment board?

>>8373

Its more than that. Comparisons to real world event are retarded and expose an individual as simply not being knowledgeable enough in the lore to make his point. Real life politics have no place in my TES and just because Hitler did this and Hoxha killed this many, fuck, it has zero bearing on what the peoples of Tamriel would do.

>>8374

>>8373

It's funny because jews want to create a future heaven on earth. Thalmors wanted to turn back time to the dawn ages (which is why swastika shows sun cruising from left to right instead the other way around).

Thalmor are effectively Thalmors in the metaphysical sense.

>>8374

Thank you. Only really shitty writers try to compare anything with real world stuff.

>>8382

Where is the stone exactly? Is it inside the Throat of the World?

>>8385

As far as I know there's a lot of debate about the tower in Skyrim. Possibilities:

-Throat of the world itself (or under/in it)

-In Blackreach

-Alduin or Paarthurnax

-The dragonborn himself

Most of this seems bullshit though, but it's what I got from google. In/under throat of the world seems most feasible though.

>>8381

Yeah, so. What can I get you? Got everything from potions to pitchforks.

>>8386

MK said it was a cave so the only plausible answers are Blackreach or the cave mentioned in Shor son of Shor.

>>8386

I mean, the first two seem reasonable. Although that's not a bad thing, its certainly not MK style "Wow, what a man, I never would have anticipated that" type thing. I could live with it certainly. The second one would be lame and I would disapprove. The third? Boy, the entire Bethesda studio might as well melt MK alive in front of me, collectively rape me and then make TESO canon, it would hurt less. The dargonborn, wow.

Thanks for answering my question btw. Been thinking about this for a while but don't know if it merits its own thread.

>>8385

Nobody knows. But I would think >>8386 seems the most legit, that it might be stored in or around the Throat of the World

>>7473

I… kind of agree.

The representation of Thalmor & High Elves was good in Skyrim, especially relative to other Lore things.

>>8386

>>8387

I looked everywhere for that cave on Throat.

Snow Throat = Tower makes sense, but it breaks the pattern a little. The Falmer are the remaining mer without a tower, so it's reasonable they would be the builders. But then how do you build a mountain, especially one that has existed since creation?

I heard (I think on half /v/?) that the stone was the Nord people or Skyrim, and that it was broken because they were divided. But that's shit in a lot of ways.

>>8400

That reminds me, there are NO fucking falmer ruins anywhere in Skyrim. There's the caves and dwarven ruins filled with chitin tents and traps by the degenerated falmer and there's the forgotten vale in the dawnguard DLC.

Falmer ruins as seen in the forgotten vale were rad as fuck and I'm dissapointed we didn't get that anywhere in the base game. Is there any lore stating that nords destroyed every single falmer build? Because as much as nords and dwarves hate eachother, there's still dwarven ruins.

>>8401

That's one of the things that always bothered me.

It's right up there with, "Why are all the ancient Nordic ruins tombs?"

Also the Ayleids had an extreme aversion to furniture. I don't remember any chairs or tables that weren't owned by bandits in Ayleid Ruins.

I suppose an explanation for the Dwemer ruins outlasting the Falmer's would be "superior craftsmanship" or Tonal Architecture.

Maybe the Nords stole all their bricks to build Windhelm. That town has a lot of bricks.

>>8400

>But then how do you build a mountain, especially one that has existed since creation?

Snow Throat wasn't necessarily built, more so activated. As the Nu-Mantia intercepts state, Snow Throat, like Red Mountain, take on myth-forms. They were there, they looked really important, and they define their regions.

>that the stone was the Nord people or Skyrim, and that it was broken because they were divided

It's not necessarily an overly farfetched idea. Snow Throat is called a "Throat" afterall, and this term is used because the Throat of the World is where the sky breathed Nords into the world. The theory probably finds its basis in the book of the Dragonborn which mentions the deactivation of other towers amongst

>When the Snow Tower lies sundered, kingless, bleeding

Implying a connection between the Nord's civil war and the tower's possible deactivation. But it is hard to interpret the Nords as "the Cave".

>>8403

>Why are all the ancient Nordic ruins tombs?

They weren't all tombs. Labyrinthian was originally the city of Bromjunaar, Saarthal was also supposed to be a city, as well as Ragnvald I believe. Forelhost was a hidden fortress, and many of the ruins in the Reach inhabited by Forsworn give the appearance of being old Nord Fortresses.

Bethesda just doesn't like to actually make things look like cities.

I'd say the bigger irk is why are the catacombs of ruins that have been abandoned for millenia twenty times larger than those of the cities that have actually been inhabited for just as long.

>Maybe the Nords stole all their bricks to build Windhelm. That town has a lot of bricks

That's actually a pretty good point. The Falmer abandoned all their cities so who's to say the Nords didn't use them to build their own? That is a lot of fucking bricks to be put to waste after all.

>>8401

> NO fucking falmer ruins anywhere in Skyrim

I thought it represented the totality of the Falmer eradication.

>>8403

>Also the Ayleids had an extreme aversion to furniture. I don't remember any chairs or tables that weren't owned by bandits in Ayleid Ruins.

That's pretty simple actually- Dwemer furniture (that survives) is made of stone or corrosion-resistant metal. The Ayleids made their furniture out of wood or humans, which decompose.

>>8413

Dragon cultist fortresses and dwemer ruins are still present… also ayleid ruins in cyrodiil. Bethesda's fault really, no way you get rid of all falmer structures.

>>8414

>Dragon cultist fortresses and dwemer ruins are still present… also ayleid ruins in cyrodiil

They aren't really that similar to Falmer ruins, however.

Dragon Cultist fortresses were built by the descendants of Nords and Imperial culture was heavily based upon Ayleid society so they have cultural ties to the builders.

They're also both dangerous with traps and undead in them, preventing common people from looting and taking stones.

There was a continuum of Dragon Cult & Ayleid culture following their "collapses". Plenty Dragon-worshipping Nords would have been present after the Dragons were deposed, some Ayleids kept living in Cyrodiil and plenty of Imperials already lived in Ayleid cities. So they aren't going to want to destroy their former homes.

Dwemer ruins are Dwemer ruins- they're magical and guarded by robots. Saying "x should still be around because Dwemer stuff is still around" is completely missing the point of Dwemer.

Contrast all this with the Falmer- none of them stayed in Skyrim (on the surface at least), most of them were killed, they didn't get a chance to prepare defenses or traps and the Nord people had absolutely nothing in common with them, no reason to keep any reminders of their existence and a xenophobia that gave them reasons to actively destroy remainders.

To top it all off, Falmer were driven out of Skyrim hundreds of years before the Alessian Revolt or the Dwemer disappeared.

Really, I think it's good Skyrim isn't covered in Falmer ruins. That would be yet another retcon. Falmer are mysterious, semi-mythical creatures that most scholars even couldn't explain their relationship to other elves.

>>8421

Sure, but we could've had atleast ONE falmer ruin in the basegame, in some desolate location.

>>8426

…. Well, to preserve my sanity I'm going with "The Dwemer used solid sounds and tonal architecture to destroy/transport/transform the Falmer Architecture, in order to erase them from history because Dwemer are dicks now and that at least is canon."

I mean, there was that One statue with the thieves guild quest, but its so out of place there like a bunch of Argonians were enslaved (as is appropriate) and used o move said statue to that cave because (?)

>>8421

>Plenty Dragon-worshipping Nords would have been present after the Dragons were deposed

The Dragon Cult was specifically targeted for extermination. Even Bromjunaar, possibly the largest Nordic city of the time, was completely forsaken. After the war, the cultists really had two choices, either flee into hiding, or be found and killed.

>most of them were killed

There was never a genocide against the Snow Elves. They completely abandoned all hope in their war against the Nords after the Snow Prince died. Only very few continued to fight, the rest went to live with the Dwemer.

>>8428

>there was that One statue with the thieves guild quest, but its so out of place

It was presumably built by rebelling Falmer during the War of the Crag.

>>6870

Their robes are pretty cool.

>>8431

I think your post is pretty disingenuous; there's a stronger case to be made that Falmer were exterminated than the Dragon Cult being exterminated.

>The Dragon Cult was specifically targeted for extermination

Only Dragon Priests are ever specifically described as being hunted down and it is specifically said that the Dragon Cult adapted as times went on.

>Even Bromjunaar, possibly the largest Nordic city of the time, was completely forsaken

No, it fell into ruin. It's non-specific why it was abandoned, just like the dozens of forts in Skyrim.

>There was never a genocide against the Snow Elves.

Pretty much every book or reference to the Snow Elves said they were exterminated by the Nords, bar one, which says they were being exterminated but then got into a war with Dwemer.

>>8434

>Only Dragon Priests are ever specifically described as being hunted down and it is specifically said that the Dragon Cult adapted as times went on

>It sounds impossible, but we appeared to have stumbled upon a massive hold out of the Dragon Cultists, who were believed to be wiped out during the Dragon War. The Elves must wait, as this is a threat we cannot ignore.

http://uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:Skorm_Snow-Strider's_Journal

Their "adapting" was running for their lives. After the Dragon War, the only remaining cultist holdout was the secret fortress of Forelhost.

>No, it fell into ruin. It's non-specific why it was abandoned, just like the dozens of forts in Skyrim

>Bromjunaar crumbled, however, along with the rest of the Dragon Cult, and the site lay abandoned for many years, a deteriorating reminder of those benighted days for the Nords. Not until the days of Shalidor would the ruins come into use again.

http://uesp.net/wiki/Lore:A_Minor_Maze

Bromjunaar was a forsaken ruin by the time of Shalidor in the early First Era. The city was ostracized because it only stood as a reminder of the Dragon Cult. It's collapse happened very shortly, if not immediately, after the Dragon War.

>Pretty much every book or reference to the Snow Elves said they were exterminated by the Nords, bar one, which says they were being exterminated but then got into a war with Dwemer

Literally not even a single source states this.

>Ysgramor returned to Tamriel with a vengeance, driving the Elves out of Skyrim

http://uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Pocket_Guide_to_the_Empire,_1st_Edition/Skyrim

PGE1, probably the first source to mention them, claims that they were merely displaced. This is the orthodox fate of the Snow Elves.

>And then, he fell, from his horse, from the battle, from life. The Snow Prince lay dead, slain by a child. With their savior defeated, the spirit of the remaining Elven warriors soon shattered. Many fled, and those that remained on the battlefield were soon cut down by our broad Nord axes

http://uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Fall_of_the_Snow_Prince

This is the death of the Snow Prince in Solstheim, or in other words, the actual reason why the Falmer stopped fighting.

>And when the Snow Prince fell to ground, The Ice Elves divided above and below. Now vanquished and brutally bound, One moment had shattered all they did know

http://uesp.net/wiki/Lore:The_Betrayed

They completely lost all hope after the death of their Snow Prince they adored almost like a god. They even began to turn on each other.

>The men have begun to look upon us as if we are all weak yet we have survived the same trials as they. I cannot bring myself to think on the numbers we lost in battle. Yet I cannot force the images of my own losses from my mind. And now in a time when our people should be banding together it feels we are drifting apart. The Nords have truly won. Our once great pride and unity are shattered

http://uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Diary_of_Faire_Agarwen

The death of the Snow Prince completely shattered the Snow Elven unity. Note "numbers we lost in battle".

>According to this eyewitness account, the great Falmer leader known only as the Snow Prince died in glorious battle, and was buried with honor by his Nord slayers. The remaining snow elves were scattered or slain, and were never heard from again. Or so many thought.

>But where the story of the ancient snow elves ends, that of the current-day Falmer begins. For when the snow elf host was shattered on that fateful day, it did not simply disperse - it descended. Into the earth, deep underground. For the Falmer sought sanctuary in the most unlikely of places - Blackreach

They gave up, and decided to take refuge with the Dwemer. This represents an overwhelming majority of the Falmer race. There was no 'extermination'.

>Generations after they first sought solace among the dwarves, and experienced bitter betrayal, the Falmer rose up against their oppressors. They overthrew the dwarves, and fled even further down, into Blackreach's deepest, most hidden reaches. For decade upon decade, the two sides waged a bitter conflict. A full-fledged and bloody "War of the Crag" that raged deep below Skyrim's surface

http://uesp.net/wiki/Lore:The_Falmer:_A_Study

There were enough Falmer left where they could effectively wage war on the Dwemer for decades within their own homes.

>>6874

Yes he would, he's a goddamn dagger-eared, bugmusk wearing elf.