/tes/ - The Elder Scrolls Discussion

>>8307

Two and 3, yes, but I'm sure Printing presses has other primitive forms at some point, and it was made possible by way of sea trade and supply in theory.

Glases, I think there was a type of monocle/goggle gear in morrowind, so possibly.

Clocks and presses have, what is seemingly, an implied existence with clocks often being mentioned in casual dialogue. Printing is mentioned in various quests throughout the game and it would be very unlikely that so many citizens of Tamriel are literate without its existence. It's possible, however unlikely, that the people of Tamriel use a more primitive form of printing rather than presses.

Glasses are something I've always wondered about. Dwemer orreries obviously require lenses, but they are of large proportion. It's possible the eyes of Tamrieleans don't deteriate the same way ours do.

>>8307

Well OP, have you ever considered that (real) people were actually pretty accurate on telling the time of the day, by looking up at the position of the sun? Of course it's not so precise as a geared watch, but in Skyrim, they think the Dwemer are extremely fucking advanced for making automatons with giant gears. I don't think anybody in TES world can even comprehend "small gears". Way before the printing press, I'm sure literate artists were in high demand. That's basically all TES people needed, was an ink bottle and a quill.

>>8309

potions and prayers pretty much cure everything.

Why would someone invent a mechanical printing press when magic exists and works perfectly fine?

Clocks yes. Hard to have a clockwork city if nobody knows what the fuck a clock is.

Printing presses we don't know. Every time we've seen examples of printed stuff in TES it's done via hand, but there's mentions of printing as an industry and mass produced books, so who knows.

Same with spectacles. The technology is there, there are glass goggles all throughout TES, and lenses of course, but it's hard to say.

So they exist in that nebulous state of canon where putting them in a mod or something isn't far fetched by any means, but never truly appeared in the actual games.

>>8333

Because the entire population isn't made up of mages, and not every mage would know how to use magic to somehow automatically make mass printing a thing.

>>8335

If the world is lacking in mages, I would shudder to think how well their mechanical engineer population is holding up

>>8341

>On the other hand it does take a genius mage to design a spell

Yes, just like it took a genius to design the printing press

If the dragonborn can cast spells other people came up with, so can any random s'wit

And I don't think many mages think of their crafts as menial labor

Also, you forget that spells are not the only form of magic that exist

>>8343

>Yes, just like it took a genius to design the printing press

A single genius, and then an army of people who could easily follow his schematics.

>If the dragonborn can cast spells other people came up with, so can any random s'wit

I refuse to believe that casting magic is as fucking retardedly simple as it is shown to be in Skyrim. In Morrowind and Daggerfall you need at least 70 Intelligence to have the slighest hope of actually relying on your magicka ability, and that level in Daggerfall itself is described as being "very intelligent". Not to mention that it takes a shit ton of practice to actually master a spell, and casting magic on a thousand newspapers would probably require rest.

>And I don't think many mages think of their crafts as menial labor

Using magic to cast ink in different ways is certainly menial labor. With all the potentials of magic, you seriously want me to believe that a mage would just use it to print on paper? That they wouldn't use their spells to somehow make the book better than just ink on paper? The Pocket Guides mention that Elves would sometimes hide actually meaningful spells in the books they created. You mean to tell me that a bunch of genius mages sitting in a room putting ink on paper all day, so that some common man can read his newspaper, wouldn't put some creativity and cleverness in their craft? Maybe use their magical ability to create effects that can't be imitated by a wooden press?

>Also, you forget that spells are not the only form of magic that exist

So enchanting? I guess it would be cool to know someone killed a bear so that I could read the news.

>>8344

>So enchanting?

Well, yes

It's not like enchanted automatic writing equipment is just something I pulled out of my ass with no precedent

>>8344

>>8344

>I refuse to believe that casting magic is as fucking retardedly simple as it is shown to be in Skyrim.

It's actually implied to be very difficult, save for the dragonborn because he's a special snowflake (justified as in he's a shezarrine.)

If you for instance pay attention to some details in the world you find tons of examples of failed mages who died practicing simple-ish spells. There's a cabin near Stendar's beacon that's burned to the ground and a charred corpse inside holding a summon flame atronach SCROLL and a summoning circle. If that fetcher failed to use something as lore-wise simple as a scroll then magick casting is most def not an easy task.

There's also a number of altars in the wilderness where Necromages summoned simple weak shit like skeletons and these skeletons just broke out and killed them, there's ALOT of shit like this everywhere, even in Solstheim that guy who is Neloth's servant? He's a fucking telvanni apprentice and he failed to control his summon.

Time was, intelligence was directly tied with your pool of magicka, if we follow the logic as presented in Morrowind and Oblivion all the way to skyrim then we realized that the Dragonborn is an experienced adventurer by the time he gets caught by the Imperials.

>>8853

Thanks for your insightful post, sir.

>printing presses

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