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>>8534

Lets be honest, if they can't kick our the Argonians they don't deserve to have Morrowind

I suspect they will get involved with the Thalmor one way or another, I can't see them allying themselves with human races/the Empire so I suspect they will probably be fucking with the Empire while its weak for their own gain - only to realize that they have been sucked into the Thalmor crap, which they may actually be okay with.

I could also see them getting occupied by or indeed having a frosty alliance for mutual benefit with the Stormcloaks depending on the outcome of the civil war. Could see Ulfric jumping on the chance to help kick the Argoinians out of Morrowind to get political leverage and a foothold in Morrowind so the question is would the Dunmer see it that way, and would they have a choice?

>>8539

sounds like morrowind will need to find a Trump card

Morrowind will largely be ignored, though probably slowly getting back on it's feet thanks to Redoran.

Depends on how far apart they set 6 from 5 though, I guess. For all we know 6 will have them get utterly fucked by another catastrophe or by the Thalmor or something.

I'm guessing since we'll be going to Hammerfell it'll be largely ignored. Skyrim will be fucked in some way or another though, Beth always fucks up whatever province was in the last game for shits.

Morrowind got blown to shit after TES3, the imperial homeland got fucked by war and has become a new Thalmor hunting ground, I'm assuming Skyrim will undergo some kind of massive famine or sickness or an invasion or something.

>>8544

I think 6 is going to be as far from 5 as 3 was far from 4.

>I'm guessing since we'll be going to Hammerfell it'll be largely ignored.

Which makes me glad because we're going back to a fairly alien setting for an RPG, seeing as Hammerfell is pretty much arab/ottoman in its inspiration.

>Skyrim will be fucked in some way or another though, Beth always fucks up whatever province was in the last game for shits.

My guess is that every questline ends in cannon, which means Titus Mede is dead, Skyrim broke off from the empire but is in great turmoil because Ulfric is also dead; the details of these events will be lost to us though.

>>8538

I don't think the Thalmor will tolerate the Dunmer. I'd say the Thalmor (Aldmeri leadership) know what the Dunmer represent, why they became exiles, what their religion means.

The Dunmer would be be more pragmatic and probably want the Dominion as allies, Dominion military leaders or politicians might want that too but the Dominion ideologues wouldn't let that happen.

That seems to be what should happen, but Beth may throw everything out again.

Stormcloaks and Dunmer, sittin in a tree is the most natural result I think. They're both socially authoritarian, isolationist, nationalistic Padomay-inclined malcontents that think the world has turned to shit and any change is going to be better than the present.

The Argonians… I don't know, are they still direct controlled by the Hist? What do people do when they wake up after a year long drug bender in a foreign land with fresh baby brains on their feet? Will they want to settle in ex-Dunmer towns and cities or will they want to go back to their swamps where they feel at home? I don't know what to expect from the Argonians after the post-Oblivion lore. They used to just be weird people, but now they're weird people with Tyranid tendencies. How much of an Argonian's behaviour is them just living their life and how much is the Hist telling them to achieve some objective?

>>8544

I don't think Bethesda really likes the Nords, so Easthold will become 70% dunmer, Markarth and Falkreath will magically be majority Reachmen and then Solitude and Dawnstar will collapse into the sea. Whiterun will also collapse into the sea.

>>8547

> I think 6 is going to be as far from 5 as 3 was far from 4

You do realize Oblivion (ES4) was quite a short time after Morrowind (ES3) right? It was Skyrim that was a long time later than Oblivion.

> every questline ends in cannon

Problem with this is obviously that some quests have totally different outcomes,e.g. you can chose to wipe out the dark brotherhood (although if you do it it is before cicero arrives, leaves the possibility for him to re-establish the dark brotherhood after the game events), and of course the civil war

That said, I think we can be fairly sure the emperor will have died - the guy that was arranging for you to kill him would have just gone elsewhere if you didn't do it / wiped out the DB (Morag Tong, or perhaps Cicero re-established DB later on)

I think it's more likely they will do what they did in the previous games, just not mention things relating to the non-main quest-line stuff from previous games (e.g. you'd think something as significant as Manimarco being killed would be somewhere in the books etc. in Skyrim but it isn't)

>>8553

Totally agree with the bit about Bethesda hating the Nords, and while I could see this happening, I think a general "everything went to shit and most people died" (see Morrowind post es3) will be the story (e.g. Winterfell not whiterun completely collapses, there is terrible weather for a few years ruining the food supply and loads die, most of the jarls that were pro stormcloak are put down and there is loads of unrest and bad leadership, and the greybeards inexplicably dissappear like Vivec did)

>>8539

Yeah, more I'm thinking about it I'm seeing an uneasy political stormcloak/morrowind alliance where they mess up the argoinians and keep the thalmor at arms length (if the stormcloaks win / survive which could happen as I'm imagining some sort of season unending scenario being cannon at least for a bit before another big war)

>>8554

>Winterfell

>>8553

>Easthold

This shit really triggered me. Get your place names right.

Ontopic: I hope Ulfric's death is canon and actually mentioned

Nothing. The events of Skyrim were a fever dream of a skooma addict.

>>8565

If he did die, it'll be a vague statement at best, and they'll keep the Dragonborn as far away from it as possible.

All the actual different outcomes will be as brushed over as possible, and the DB will have fucked off somewhere else like the Nerevarine did after ES3.

Dragons will also either be murdered off or just kind of ignored. Maybe that'll be the devastating event that obliterates Skyrim, the dragons just fucking ban together and fuck it's shit after the DB leaves.

>>8554

>You do realize Oblivion (ES4) was quite a short time after Morrowind (ES3) right? It was Skyrim that was a long time later than Oblivion.

Yes n'wah it's exactly why I said it, that's what I am expecting they'll do, since Skyrim breaking off from the empire or not is such a big deal and the whole thalmor threat is so present, i'm pretty sure 6 will be close to 5.

>Problem with this is obviously that some quests have totally different outcomes,e.g. you can chose to wipe out the dark brotherhood (although if you do it it is before cicero arrives, leaves the possibility for him to re-establish the dark brotherhood after the game events), and of course the civil war

Well yeah but the basic outcome can be thought of as being canon, like you said, the emperor and ulfric are going t be kill.

>>8554

>(e.g. you'd think something as significant as Manimarco being killed would be somewhere in the books etc. in Skyrim but it isn't)

inb4 that wasn't the real Manimarco

>>8581

Considering how the hero of kvatch most likely became Sheogorath in Oblivion's last DLC, I'm guessing the dragonborn stays on Solstheim.

>>8586

> Well yeah but the basic outcome can be thought of as being canon, like you said, the emperor and ulfric are going t be kill

But Ulfric only dies in one of the three possible outcomes? I think they are most likely to go with the season unending outsome, an uneasy truce, as being cannon.

And you can bet that shortly after the events of ES5 it all goes to shit, and the whole region gets fucked to shit like Morrowind did post ES3.

I do like the idea of the stormcloaks and dunmer having some sort of political alliance, I could see Ulfric going to help kick out the argonians (like the forsworn in the reach in the build up to the civil war). And then they just maintain a frosty alliance for mutual benefit/defense, so the empire and the thalmor pretty much leave them alone.

This would be awesome if it resulted in both Skyrim (at least the Stormcloak half) and Morrowind returning to their insular and quirky cultures with minimal interference from outside.

>>8601

>>8603

I think the dragonborn with either:

> do what you said and become Hermaus Mora's slave, possibly with an odd reference in later games when you're doing the HM daedric quest (like the Sheogorath quest in ES5).

Or what I suspect will happen:

> one day shortly after the events of ES5, all the dragons just disappear, and the dragon born with them! Nobody knows why and people wonder if they will return one day….

>>8604

Or some combination of the two where the DB makes a deal with HM to remove all dragons in exchange for servitude or some bullshit.

It'll be left intentionally vague though, same as with The Champion and The Nerevarine. The Champion either died at some point in the interim or became Sheo, and The Nerevarine is busy fucking about somewhere in Akavir, fucking snakes or something.

>>8606

I think they've left at a point where people who are into the lore and want to know what happened can look at the events on Solstheim and say "okay, DB is in deep with HM - probably not going to end well"

And to the filthy casuals ES6 will just have odd passing references like "oh, yeah the dragons all disappeared along with the Dragonborn sometime after the Civil War and nobody knows why…"

So you can piece it together that HM had some sort of remove dragons to get DB to agree to be his slave, but it's not going to be official or acknowledged anywhere in game.

They love leaving sad or bad news out or deliberately vague so people can chose to ignore it.

>>8604

>>8603

If Dubs, Dragonborn flies to Akavir to challenge Tosh Raka.

Or becomes an actual fucking dragon with wings and all.

>>8628

> not being able to get dubs on a board that moves this slowly

checkem

>>8633

Son of a Netchiman's wife.

>playing tes6

>find a book called "The Rise, Fall, and Rise of the Blades"

>Book talks about how Blade recruitment skyrocketed with all the dragons wrecking shit

>Blades lose job because Dragon Born has tamed the dragons with

>old Blade leadership dies

>Blades have nothing to do

>"Hey, how about we do that other thing the blades did and protect an emperor?"

>Tulius, Ulfric, and Emperor has been killed in the civil war and resulting rebuilding.

>Dragonborn becomes Emperor of the new Northern Empire of Skyrim, Morrowind, and High Rock,

>Dragonborn has numerous children

>numerous generations of dragonborn children are different races

>dragon break created so no one remembers the dragonborns race.

>has been getting quirky more recently

>Leaves on a voyage for hidden knowledge and never returns

>descendents of dragonborn are starting the next Great War against the Aldmeri dominion in Cyrodil.

>Thalmor are using the South of Hammerfall as an important staging area against the new Empire at the Start of TES6

>>8606

But why would Dragonborn ask Hermaneus Mora to remove dragon if Dragonborn already is specialized at dragon removal?

I think Dragonborn will either go Miraak's path or fuck off to Atmora / mantle Pelinal and remove Elf in Cyrodiil / Sit in Breezehome all day writing self-insert fanfiction of the lusty Argonian maid and fap to it.

>>9377

This is actually how I believe the next game should be set up, save on several notes.

>Tulius, Ulfric, and Emperor has been killed in the civil war and resulting rebuilding.

Both Ulfric and Tulius should die under similarly suspicious causes, with the populous subsequently demanding the Dragonborn be placed on the throne of Windhelm.

The Blades are reformed and proclaim the Dragonborn as the true heir to the Empire (like they did with Reman).

The death of Titus Mede causes the Empire to fall apart. With their leadership dead, the Blades claiming the Dragonborn the Emperor, and the Dragonborn's own antics (ahemm, Bend Will), the Imperial Legion of Skyrim submits to the authority of the Dragonborn Emperor.

>dragon break created so no one remembers the dragonborns race.

A Dragon Break ending should never be used again. It worked once, but using it multiple times only ensures that every choice you make in future games is pointless. Not to mention Dragon Breaks don't just appear out of the blue.

The explanation should be

>Later, many Nords could not look on him without seeing a dragon.

http://uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Varieties_of_Faith...#Ysmir

Because that would actually be lore friendly. And how bad ass would it be if everyone couldn't help but look back on every memory of you as a fucking Dragon.

>numerous generations of dragonborn children are different races

Just have the heir be a Nord because only a Nord should rule the Nordic Empire. Leave it purposefully ambiguous whether or not the heir is actually a descendant of the Dragonborn. Sort of like how all Nord Kings claim that they are descended from Ysgramor, the modern kings should be "descended" from the Dragonborn because that nigga is a fucking legend.

>Leaves on a voyage for hidden knowledge and never returns

It would be cooler if the reason the Dragonborn leaves isn't known.

>during the Late Merethic Era the legendary immortal hero, warrior, sorceror [sic], and king variously known as Pelinal Whitestrake, Harrald Hairy Breeks, Ysmir, Hans the Fox, etc., wandered Tamriel, gathering armies, conquering lands, ruling, then abandoning his kingdoms to wander again

http://uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Before_the_Ages_of_Man

He just wanders off one day.

>Extra

The Greybeards and Paarthurnax are all mysteriously killed. The Dragonborn leads a 'New Way of the Voice' in which all remaining Dragons submit too.

Dragons are used for the Dragonborn's conquests and crushing the Forsworn.

The Thalmor in the Embassy and at Markarth are all fucking put to the stake.

>>9410

I like those changes better than what I had come up with, but why do the Greybeards have to die? I could see their order lose power and recruits because the Dragonborn's new order is more popular.

>>8544

>I'm guessing since we'll be going to Hammerfell it'll be largely ignored.

I'd love to see that, but considering the whole post-9/11 islamo-freakout and the current situation with the brutality and destruction of world heritage sites in the middle east being perpetrated by Isis… I could see where it wouldn't be as… ah, "marketable" as a different but similarly alien culture - like Valenwood, SummerSet Isles, Argonia, or Elswyer.

That… and there just doesn't seem to be a whole lot of interest in the mod community for Redguard content, which could be interpreted as not having a lot of interest in the community for a game centered around arabian/ottoman/persian/african inspired culture.

The Sloads.

The Sloads are what's going to happen to Morrowind.