Anonymous 09/30/14 (Tue) 18:28:03 No. 884 [View All]
Civil war thread?
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Anonymous 11/23/14 (Sun) 01:59:56 No. 3237
>>1289 >>3236 Also Talos (IRL) is a Greek mythological figure and in-universe the idea of a man becoming a god falls in line with Rome's view of Caesar after his death, in that he was deified and considered a god when he was alive but definitely posthumously -
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imperial_cult_(ancient_Rome)#Divus_Julius
Anonymous 11/23/14 (Sun) 02:19:40 No. 3239
>>2243 Even if you took Skyrim for yourself the problem still arises; be an independent nation or side with the Empire?
Honestly haven't done it yet, but I'm most likely going to side with the Empire if I do.
The Empire's gearing for final war with the currently under-resourced Thalmor and a united Tamriel stands a better chance. Stormcloaks are isolationists in an age of international war with someone that won't take no for an answer when the Empire can rally Skyrim AND everyone else. This is all under the caveat that the Empire gets its shit together.
They won't.
Lose the majority of their frontline warriors and offensive might. Rather fucked.
Short term - Unfucked, they get to be left alone for possibly a generation
Long term - What
>>2324 said. Skyrim's isolationist approach to international politics won't help in a world war when the Thalmor are already present. At that point it depends entirely on what the Thalmor do. Skyrim simply isn't as strong as the combined Empire. They may have geographical advantage, but in a universe were magic exists it most likely would not matter long term against a rebuilt Thalmor army that's already within the borders.
Solution: Empire gears up, Nordic recruitment drive simply states "The Thalmor invaded your lands and banned the worship of your lord Talos. We have allowed this for too long. Enlist today. Fight side by side with all of Tamriel for Skyrim's rights!"
Anonymous 11/24/14 (Mon) 02:46:04 No. 3297
Because I am a Man (and not a Mer), my allegiance is entirely devoted to Talos. Because the empire officially denounced the worship of Talos, I cannot support it. Wulf said it best:
Anonymous 11/24/14 (Mon) 06:39:41 No. 3304
Anonymous 11/24/14 (Mon) 07:00:29 No. 3305
>>3297 Sounds Warhammer great crusade as fuck.
Seeing as dragons are back can we get Imperial Techprists like in TES redguard?
That Governer's hobby was oh-so practical.
Anonymous 11/24/14 (Mon) 11:01:16 No. 3315
>>3297 I'm not really sure that the fall of Rome/Byzanthium is all that comparable and the rise of the Ottoman Empire is really comparable. Especially since the Ottomans were relatively tolerant of dissenting religion for the time period.
Anonymous 11/25/14 (Tue) 06:51:57 No. 3330
>>3315 The Ottomans were as tolerant of other religions as Thalmor Germany was tolerant of the Japanese.
Anonymous 11/25/14 (Tue) 14:38:03 No. 3347
Anonymous 11/25/14 (Tue) 22:16:55 No. 3360
>>3330 So, "east Aryans" and allies?
Anonymous 11/25/14 (Tue) 22:50:31 No. 3364
>>3315 It depended on the time period. In the early days of the Ottoman Empire, there was very, very little tolerance of any religious differences. As the empire grew, dissenting religions were integrated Ottoman society, some even becoming wealthy. However, as conflicts with Catholic and Orthodox Christians continued, Ottoman attitudes towards non-Muslims recessed for the worse.
Anonymous 11/25/14 (Tue) 23:02:39 No. 3366
>>3297 >bretons >jews The Atmoric races are closest to Indo-European. The Redguards, as the loading screen claims, are in a separate Yokudan family. Redguards, as of Skyrim, are Arabs. Arabs are Afroasiatic. So are jews. Therefore, if there ever will be a happy merchant race in TES, it will be some Redguard-related tribe.
Anonymous 11/25/14 (Tue) 23:31:51 No. 3367
>>3366 I didn't like the Redguards as Arabs. I always viewed them as Atlanteans who happened to have African West Coast-like beliefs.
Anonymous 12/19/14 (Fri) 16:52:14 No. 4059
>>1204 After Delphine and her bullshit, I'd rather wipe the Blades out that reform them. Esbern was at least bearable until he joined in on the fuck Parthunaax train.
I miss Baurus.
Anonymous 12/19/14 (Fri) 17:20:57 No. 4060
THE EMPIRE WILL RISE AGAIN
Anonymous 12/20/14 (Sat) 00:31:15 No. 4063
>>4059 why wasn't his VA in Skyrim?
Anonymous 12/24/14 (Wed) 05:58:58 No. 4164
>>884 >Who did you side with, if anyone? Stormcloaks in an indirect capacity, the companions philosophy is best
Because the Law's purpose is to protect the life liberty and property of its citizens and nothing more. the White gold concordat voilates the life (by allowing foreign adversaries free reign to roam man's territory and apply their own positive laws on subjects not their own), Liberty (by entering peoples personal lives to decide who they can and can't worship and therefore their moral and ethical compass) and property (allowing Thalmor warrentless raids on the homes of ciizens as well as the warrentless search and seizure by domestic Imperial authorities)
as such this makes Imperial law illegitmate
lol dragon break, akatosh/alduin ripped time we ain't gotta splain shit. (i really wish obsidian did the civil war, imagine Fallout New Vegas level of detail for the political dichotomy and intrigue between the two)
Pretty fucked, their already fucked considering cyrodil is a commerce based economy and most of their former trading partners hate them. skyrim will probably heavilly tax their trade in agricultural and industrial goods, they won't have the funds nor the real manpower
not so much, to get to skyrim they have to get through cyrodil which will act as a buffer state. they can invade by sea but that will be slow and treaherous as the north is surrounded by icey water as well as iceebergs. the landing force would likely b pushed back into the sea
Anonymous 12/24/14 (Wed) 09:38:38 No. 4168
>>4059 And I missed Caius Cosades. I bet he wouldn't be too pleased with the state of the Blades in the Fourth Era.
Anonymous 12/24/14 (Wed) 15:17:46 No. 4170
the best path would be>win the civil war for the empire. >join the thieves guild to establish conections. >invest in every shop in skyrim to strenthen the economy >become a thane of every hold. >join the dark brotherhood and assassinate the emperor >new emperor declares war on the thalmor with skyrim backing them up with connections and powerful economy due to your investments.
Anonymous 12/24/14 (Wed) 16:47:26 No. 4173
>Neither, with some stronger Imperial leaning >Dragonborn calls for ceasefire >Elenwen btfo >Dragonborn tells both sides to cut their pissing match out, they all hate the Thalmor so get the fuck over it >Now he's gonna go fly a dragon into the afterlife so he can kill an immortal aspect of time, and when he returns there'd better not be any milk-drinkers afraid of fighting some elven pricks >I can only wish Or maybe we really do get Black Marsh or some other region that wouldn't be too concerned with the outcome in the first place.
Anonymous 12/24/14 (Wed) 18:19:56 No. 4174
>play Redguard >Empire fucks up another war >Empire tells mer scum they can have our land >Regada tells Thalmor to kick rocks >Elves wanna fight >U WOT M8 >Nords think they can do the same >TFW the Yokudan Jihad begins soon
Anonymous 01/01/15 (Thu) 01:01:48 No. 4292
>Empire executes and tortures without a fair trial >No problem >HOLY FUCK I'M SO TRIGGERED
Anonymous 01/01/15 (Thu) 01:16:51 No. 4295
>>1091 Same; Stormcloaks might not be nice to Dunmer, but at least they don't try to cut our heads off for no reason.
Anonymous 01/01/15 (Thu) 01:26:53 No. 4296
I can understand why the Stormcloaks are racist toward Dunmer to an extent. They don't have the best track record. Remember when they enslaved shittons of people?
Anonymous 01/01/15 (Thu) 04:51:46 No. 4304
Stormcloak.
Anonymous 01/01/15 (Thu) 05:45:58 No. 4305
>>4304 You know what'd be an amazing twist? If the Empire acted like official bitch to the Thalmor, let them do what they want for a while.
Then the Thalmor inevitably say 'we're invading Hammerfell again, you with us?'. Smile and nod, and march alongside them. Then slaughter them in the fields when the time is right.
Anonymous 01/01/15 (Thu) 16:28:44 No. 4307
>>4296 >Remember when they enslaved shittons of people? >Animal fuckers. >Trinnimacs walking shit.
Legate Crunch 01/09/15 (Fri) 09:01:55 No. 4415
>>1104 the bosmer were somewhat forced, and the dumb cats went along with the thalmor willingly on the sole basis of them believing the thalmor when they claimed to bring the moons back after the void nights.
Legate Crunch 01/09/15 (Fri) 09:18:46 No. 4417
>>4304 the only reason hammerfell was even able to boot the thalmor out of the alik'r at all was because the empire weakened the thalmor after the battle of the red ring. Think about it, the thalmor were just as weak as the imperial army was at that point yet hammerfell took 5 MORE YEARS to defeat WEAKENED thalmor forces. Who's to say the empire is not having ambassadors spy on the thalmor? the player never goes to Alinor or the rest of the dominion to see if that happens. Not to mention that if the thalmor DID take cyrodil and the other nations and just left skyrim and hammerfell, they would definitely be doomed. The Thalmor tricked Ulfric into instigating the civil war to weaken the empire so invading skyrim full force would be easier while the troops are occupied fighting each other instead of remaining vigilant. Plus if the thalmor were to invade by sea, skyrims ships are no more than canoes while the empire has ACTUAL ships. not to mention that without any imperial influence….skyrims economy would topple. Ulfric is just a Thalmor pawn.
Anonymous 01/23/15 (Fri) 05:02:55 No. 4740
>>2076 Redguards are so tough they blew up their own homeland and fucked up the empire when they needed a new one.
Nords are so tough their patron god is a Breton and the only people they ever managed to defeat were the weakest of the elves.
Anonymous 01/23/15 (Fri) 07:19:32 No. 4743
It would be nice to see some decent arguments for the pro-empire side, but as usual the vast majority of them rely on silly leaps of logic like the willingly spy infested empire (they let the thalmor build forts in their territory and have them attend political gatherings for gods sake)being super geared up to fight back or random claims with zero evidence such as "Because Ulfric is dumb!" – so prove it; Give me an example of Ulfric doing something only a human of below average intelligence would do – and keep in mind he was pretty damn young during most of his written back story, I think he was barely over 20 when the great war ended. Then there's the constant display of failed reading comprehension in regards to that thalmor dossier, that never gets old.
examples:
>>886 > "if I have to choose it's Empire because better chance at comeback" >gives zero explanation. >>1092 Thinks stormcloak = thalmor
>>1109 example of the dossier misinterpretation again.
>>1160 "Not enough balls hurr"
>>1504 >"Because the dividing the race of Men apart further is just giving the Thalmor what they want. Also because the Stormcloaks are retarded idealists in general." Makes Wild claims and downright childish generalizations without evidence.
>>2004 >Implies the thalmor spies in skyrim would be able to take on the victorious stormcloaks, let alone survive being massacred before they can get the fuck out of dodge. >"Ulfric is dumb" – see above >>2324 >Is confused, thinking that this is the same empire as previous games. >"Ulfric has no idea what he's doing, because he doesn't know the Thalmor's strength" as if anyone fucking does, nice logic.
>for the rest see above >>4296 >Mede II seemed "Prophetic" ooook
>"Empire knows things the stormcloaks don't" We really aren't given much indication of this.
>>4417 >"Thalmor pawn hurr durr" >Implies the Empire would come back after getting BTFO, as if they can spare the man power when they are already recruiting locally. >Thinks skyrim needs shekels to stay afloat >>4740 >tries to imply the nords aren't tough as shit. >trivializes the snow elves getting btfo. The only good arguments are from people like
>>2310 who aren't even totally pro-empire, they just examine the possibilities.
Anyway, my post is taking up enough space as is but where I stand is pretty obvious and the why has been pretty well covered by the other pro-stormcloaks. I can't say how fucked either of them would be because we really don't know how strong the Thalmor are right now, they are certainly well-informed thanks to the emperor.
It will likely be extremely vague as per usual and will either be far enough removed from the events that it won't be brought into detail or far enough ahead in time that the characters of skyrim are dead.
Anonymous 01/23/15 (Fri) 23:20:40 No. 4773
Holy shit you n'wah. Ya'll s'wit choose either side when the clear choice was to choose neither and broker a truce between the Empire and Stormcloaks. >AD's plans are now fucked >Skyrim is still strong >Empire is still strong >Both have all their warriors
Anonymous 04/14/15 (Tue) 17:25:24 No. 6448
>>884 Let both sides tear each other apart while we take what remains.
Anonymous 04/14/15 (Tue) 21:00:43 No. 6454
>tfw no Knights of the Nine >tfw no Talos crusaders separate from Stormcloaks >tfw vigilants of stendarr are the closest thing we get to clerics fightan evil >tfw they get rekt by vampires >tfw no Pelinal Whitestrake >tfw
Anonymous 04/15/15 (Wed) 09:38:47 No. 6466
Anonymous 04/15/15 (Wed) 10:43:12 No. 6467
>>1122 >Xarxes/Arkay >Trinimac >Altmer literally worship the ancestors of their social betters.
Anonymous 04/15/15 (Wed) 19:51:36 No. 6469
>>6454 What happened to the Knights of the Nine anyway?
Please tell me they are planing a crusade against the Thalmor
Please tell me that Whitestrake will somehow come back and kill off the elves once again.
Anonymous 04/15/15 (Wed) 22:39:43 No. 6472
>>6469 After Oblivion? I have no clue.
I don't think there's anything that speaks on the KoN.
>Please tell me that Whitestrake will somehow come back and kill off the elves once again. That would make my year if Bethesda did that.
Would've made a better DLC than Hearthfire, that's for sure.
Anonymous 04/16/15 (Thu) 01:26:34 No. 6475
>>2054 Is it just me or is CWO a total piece of shit that breaks down constantly
Anonymous 04/16/15 (Thu) 02:27:06 No. 6476
Anonymous 04/23/15 (Thu) 03:53:51 No. 6612
>>884
>Who did you side with, if anyone? Stormcloaks
>Why?
Played as a Nord
>How will the two very different potential outcomes be handled in TES VI?
Implying TES VI will take place after the events in Skyrim, I have no idea. Maybe the history books and actual events are simply rewritten to suit the Thalmor's objectives.
>How fucked is the Empire without Skyrim?
Not too fucked.
>How fucked is Skyrim without the Empire?
Not fucked at all.
Anonymous 04/23/15 (Thu) 05:33:54 No. 6613
>>3297
>Time for something young and new. What? No idea. Because I'm old. Old dog doesn't get new ideas. But maybe young folks like you should try some new ideas. I don't know. Could be messy. But change is never pretty.
>implying he isn't talking about that the Thalmor
Anonymous 05/28/15 (Thu) 23:23:58 No. 7339
>>884
I think the next TES game will just mention a civil war, and that the Dragonborn did something to make a new, better empire, what that means will be up to vague interpretation, as usual. Or maybe another warp event?
Anonymous 05/29/15 (Fri) 04:13:09 No. 7344
>>7339
The events of TESV won't really matter in regard to the Civil War. The "actual" deciding battles will take place a few years after TESV - and the victor will be decided by Bethesda. Chances are, Skyrim is going to stay in the Empire.
If Bethesda decides the Empire was defeated, there will be another push by the new Emperor - whoever takes over after Mede II - to take back Skyrim that is defeated. If they decide Empire wins, the Stormcloak rebels will still exist several years after the Civil War and make another major push to kick the new offensive out of Skyrim and will be defeated. Ulfric is almost certainly going to be considered killed either during the Civil War or shortly afterwards (historians are unsure, of course).
Anonymous 05/29/15 (Fri) 16:03:13 No. 7354
>>884
>Who did you side with, if anyone?
Stormcloaks, playing as high elf
>Why?
It would be easier for the aldmeri dominion to invade an independent skyrim, than invading a skyrim controlled by imperials
>How will the two very different potential outcomes be handled in TES VI?
They'll probably just pick one outcome, or choose a different time period and location and never reference skyrim ever
>How fucked is the Empire without Skyrim?
Very
>How fucked is Skyrim without the Empire?
Very
Anonymous 05/29/15 (Fri) 17:07:05 No. 7358
>>6612
Off topic: I'm going to want the sauce on that episode in your .gif
>>884
>Who did you side with, if anyone?
When I first started playing, I sided with the Stormcloaks. Later on with different characters, I kept choosing Imperials.
>Why?
Simply because I can make more attractive Imperial people. And they're kind of like the Holy Roman Empire.
>How will the two very different potential outcomes be handled in TES VI?
I'm sick of Ulfric and Elisif's shit. They can both die of syphilis after a torrid love affair. I just want the death of the Emperor by the Dark Brotherhood to be mentioned.
>How fucked is the Empire without Skyrim?
The Empire loses a few trade routes without Skyrim. That's it.
>How fucked is Skyrim without the Empire?
They're not. Skyrim only needs the Empire's forces if there's an invasion by other continents. The Alik'r can't even handle a single low level adventurer in groups of five with ten scimitars among them. Khajiit's are too fucked up on moon sugar. There's too much dry land for Argonian wetbacks to fight without the option of fleeing into the water if they're losing, but the Aldmeri Dominion might pose a problem. As much as I hate the Thalmor douchebags, they do have mastery of magic and sheer numbers.
Anonymous 06/10/15 (Wed) 15:48:02 No. 7573
The empire had to come to an agreement do they could stop the war between them because the thalmor would pretty much annihilate the empire and enslave any race that wasnt altmer. If it weren't for the stormcocks, the empire could have strengthened it's forces. The thalmor laugh at Ulfric and his idiot patriots because with them in charge, the thalmor can just march in
Anonymous 06/12/15 (Fri) 22:03:57 No. 7582
>>884
>Who did you side with, if anyone?
Stormcloaks every time besides once when I went to experience the other end.
>Why?
Empire is run by an incompetent warlord family with no legitimacy. Empire is over in words of Wulf himself.
Ulfric is right about everything.
>How will the two very different potential outcomes be handled in TES VI?
Both and none at the same time. Tulius - Ulfric - Dragonporn enantiomorph.
>How fucked is the Empire without Skyrim?
It'll gravel back in 50 years and submit to Skyrim.
>How fucked is Skyrim without the Empire?
It isn't. Elves can't handle Hammerfell and Skyrim is too far away.
Anonymous 06/13/15 (Sat) 04:56:22 No. 7584
>who did you side with
imperials usually but I also like to go with the compromise path, something tells me that's the canon path.
>why?
I've always loved roman shit and the imperial armor looks cool to me. I also sided with caeser even though I didn't agree with them just because I love how their armor looks.
>how will the two very different outcomes be handled in tes6?
I think that skyrim will be made into two separate provinces but their bitter rivalry will dissipate over time. It'd be really cool for a east/west Germany kind of thing. Of course stormcloaks would be DDR and imperials would be west germany.
>how fucked is the empire without skyrim
not that much, skyrim didn't have very much industry or agriculture. To be frank, it was a shithole. All it is to the imperials is more land that could be used.
>how fucked is skyrim without the empire
well tell me, how is skyrim industry looking? How about their farmland? Skyrim is fucked without the empire. It's a province that relies almost entirely on importation. The only thing skyrim is known for producing is weapons and armor and even then they're weapons are getting outclassed by dunmer weapons which are not only of superior build but cheaper.
Anonymous 06/13/15 (Sat) 20:13:32 No. 7586
Stormcloak
Because the Imperials are without a dynasty now and are essentially ToG.
No idea really. But I believe the Stormcloak was the intended path to pick anyways.
Skyrim is a cashcow for the empire currently thanks to things like the silvermines. They're fucked but this will also fuck the Thalmor.
Skyrim under its own rule will lead down a path of prosperity. Skyrim can hold its own.
Or they could continue down the path with the empire, Altmari dominion, and illegal worship of their god and soon there won't be nords or skyrim left.
Anonymous 06/30/15 (Tue) 18:35:37 No. 7687
I was the edgily aloof badass who didn't care about sides. The only reason I even saved the world is 'cause I have to live in it. Nothing personnel.