Anonymous 09/30/14 (Tue) 18:28:03 No. 884 [Last 50 Posts]
Civil war thread?
Anonymous 09/30/14 (Tue) 18:33:18 No. 885
EMPIRE IS 200 YEARS OLD ILLEGITIMATE CORPSE
Anonymous 09/30/14 (Tue) 20:05:04 No. 886
>>884 both suck
no point in choosing
if I have to choose it's Empire because better chance at comeback
Anonymous 10/03/14 (Fri) 04:13:40 No. 964
>>885 thalmor shill detected
Anonymous 10/06/14 (Mon) 19:27:46 No. 1091
>tfw Dunmer
Anonymous 10/06/14 (Mon) 19:38:27 No. 1092
>>1091 I was confused where to place my loyalties on my Dunmer character.
In the end I decided on the empire because I don't think the thalmor are a better alternative.
54m50n !rFHRbO/sT. 10/06/14 (Mon) 23:03:16 No. 1104
honestly, allied but seperate kingdoms, where everyone is fighting for their homeland have a much better chance of standing against the Thalmor than a crumbling empire no one outside of Cyrodiil gives a rat's ass about, which is why I supported the Stormcloaks. also, the success of their rebellion may prompt similar movements in Thalmor territory, fairly sure neither the Bosmer nor the Khajit are happy with the deal they're getting
Anonymous 10/07/14 (Tue) 01:26:07 No. 1108
I have a hard time going Stormcloak. If you complete the civil war questline, Tullius all but tells you that he is probably going to be called to the Hammerfell front next and his victory here will ensure that he will be on the frontlines against the Dominion when the time comes.
Anonymous 10/07/14 (Tue) 01:37:20 No. 1109
>>1104 The thalmor seem to disagree. They consider the civil war in skyrim to be good for their cause and ulfric an uncooperative asset.
54m50n !rFHRbO/sT. 10/07/14 (Tue) 04:13:38 No. 1111
>>1108 they'll fight it, they really have no other option, but the Thalmor will crush them since they can't get the same numbers, quality and loyalty of troops they did even back in the first Dominion war. however, independent Skyrim, Hammerfell and Cyrodiil would be able to rally together enough people interested in their own little region to keep fighting (especially in the guerilla style which seems to be effective against most empires like the Dominion). The elves may be able to pacify an Empire, but not three kingdoms
Anonymous 10/07/14 (Tue) 11:23:43 No. 1122
Stormcloaks, because I'm a legit Thalmor shill. Fuck humans and their shitty not-god.
Anonymous 10/08/14 (Wed) 10:28:39 No. 1160
>>884 First playthrough i didn't side with anyone because i wasn't intersted.
Second playthrough i wanted to see what kind of change it would make so i sided with the empire because i don't think the stormcloack have enough balls to handle the thalmor
Anonymous 10/08/14 (Wed) 13:32:47 No. 1174
>>884 Stormcloaks. The Empire is just the Thalmor's bed-mistress at this point. The Emperor would rather bend over for an assassin than fight for his life. Speaks volumes right there.
Anonymous 10/08/14 (Wed) 23:32:46 No. 1189
>>884 1. Empire
2. Because I'm NRx and generally prefer Imperium to populist nationalism, aesthetically and politically. Also
>>1108 , though as others have shown it isn't the most compelling argument. I just like Tullius as a character more than Ulfric.
3. In a way that obfuscates the decisions of the Skyrim PC. I honestly have no idea what that may look like. Potentially the coming conflict between the Empire/humanity and the Dominion will be such a big deal that no one will care about or mention the outcome of the Skyrim civil war.
4. Extremely fucked
5. Less fucked than the reverse
Anonymous 10/09/14 (Thu) 00:24:14 No. 1191
Empire
Anonymous 10/09/14 (Thu) 01:48:43 No. 1193
>>884 The empire needs to die, so something new can rise from its corpse.
But not right now. It needs to shamble along for another few decades or Tamriel is seven kinds of fucked.
Empire, all day, every day.
Anonymous 10/09/14 (Thu) 08:29:22 No. 1203
>>1108 Don't Ulfric and Galmar say after they win the Civil War "And now to kill all elve-I mean Thalmor in Alinor!"
That's an empty platitude from Tullius.
And the Empire already fought the Dominion- then when they could have kicked them out of Hammerfell AND kept all their security and gods, they bent over and let a big golden dick slip into their tropical Nibeneyan backsides.
So the Empire promising to fight the Thalmor is likewise a pretty empty statement. They could do the exact same thing or they could "really mean it this time, honest"
>>1189 I don't know what NRx means. Can you please elucidate?
Anonymous 10/09/14 (Thu) 08:51:02 No. 1204
>>1203 This post septim empire is incompetence personified. They didn't even know who they were beheading or why. They're just thugs and the emperor can/does die like a bitch.
Unfortunately the storyline was written too simply. No option to have a reformed blades support a bid for being emperor yourself. Nothing of note happens after one side or the other wins. Just different faces in the same seats.
Anonymous 10/09/14 (Thu) 17:30:04 No. 1213
Stormcloaks because the Empire is controlled by thalmor
Anonymous 10/09/14 (Thu) 18:25:04 No. 1214
>Who did you side with, if anyone?
Anonymous 10/09/14 (Thu) 21:01:39 No. 1217
>>1203 >I don't know what NRx means. Can you please elucidate? It's a /pol/itical ideology, so I don't want to get into too much detail and start a shitstorm.
It's shorthand for neoreactionary. It's basically a revitalization of reactionary politics in the internet age, mostly advocated by American millenials through online blogs and essays, though IRL organization has started to take place in Vancouver and to some degree Idaho.
I merely thought there might be some /pol/ overlap here and people would generally know what I was talking about, I don't intend to start a political discussion here.
If you're genuinely interested just look it up, the Hestia Society is pretty much the go-to resource.
Anonymous 10/09/14 (Thu) 21:15:36 No. 1218
>>884 empire because i've served the empire time and time again and no snown'wah is going to tell me skyrim is his alone
Anonymous 10/09/14 (Thu) 21:44:38 No. 1219
>>1189 Being NRx you should literally be for Ulfric. Patchwork.
Anonymous 10/09/14 (Thu) 22:13:40 No. 1220
>>1219 I'm Catholic and favor monarchy/Imperium over populist nationalism, and as I said my choice was based more on aesthetics and preference than anything else. I also tend to play knight/cleric type characters, and siding with the Empire just fits those archetypes better.
I will concede that a confederation of independent human nations stands at least an equal or greater chance against the Dominion as a united Empire. That confederation would need Cyrodiil though.
Anonymous 10/11/14 (Sat) 19:42:32 No. 1275
>>1220 If by "populist nationalism" opposed to Monarchy you mean cases of perfectly good constitutions being overthrown by upstarts pseudo-monarchs like Napoleon or Hitler, then Ulfric isn't actually doing that.
Ulfric's clan are Jarls of Windhelm, a city built by Ysgramor. They are in the upper echelon of Skyrim nobility, they are not upstart populists or edgy kids.
What is more, Ulfric's slaying of Torygg was lawful rebellion: he had no confidence in his king and sought to duel him FIRST before marching to war: going to war against the Empire was a last resort. But when two Jarls other than the king's widow proved to be Imperial puppets(and quite evil, by all accounts), and two more good Jarls refused to support him because they were of the opinion war would be bad for their holds, then Skyrim fell into civil war.
After Ulfric killed Torygg, it naturally fell to him to be the king of the independent portion of Skyrim. After all, he was the one leading the secession not to mention the fact that he is noble by birth(as mentioned before). Ulfric is a monarch, and all the Jarls who join him in the rebellion recognize him as their leader, thereby allowing him to pass the requirement of the Nordic kingsmoot.
Anonymous 10/11/14 (Sat) 19:51:47 No. 1277
>>1203 I say let the Dragonborn become emperor(the mantle of Hjalti), let Ulfric rule Skyrim as a tongue-king who serves his ancestral gods(the mantle of Wulfharth) and let Tullius be the noble yet adversarial Colovian who must die to allow it all to happen(the mantle of Arctus).
Suddenly you've created a living Talos that can revive the Empire and rump ravage the Thalmor.
Anonymous 10/11/14 (Sat) 20:41:45 No. 1278
>>1220 WHich god are you a cleric/paladin for? A knight sworn to MIGHTY TALOS might side with the Stormcloaks.
Anonymous 10/12/14 (Sun) 00:08:17 No. 1284
>>1275 All cogent points that I'm forced to agree with. My Catholicism and Romabooism were the main reasons I favored the Empire. The Volkisch and Scandinavian imagery of the Stormcloaks never stirred me in the same way as the Roman motifs of the Empire, but its true that Ulfric's actions are perfectly legitimate in the context of Skyrim's traditions, and the Empire is playing the role of clueless foreign interlopers.
I just want muh Legion man.
>>1278 Typically an Imperial knight of Stendarr.
Dovahsebrom 10/12/14 (Sun) 02:09:51 No. 1286
>>1277 Seeing as the Tal(OS) was created when a group of Shezarrines amalgamated through the Enantiomorph, I'd rather doubt that making a living Talos is as simple as sitting in a throne.
54m50n !rFHRbO/sT. 10/12/14 (Sun) 02:30:55 No. 1289
>>1284 They are only very superficially Roman. their gods are more of a Greek/Egyptian hybrid, and their culture seems to be either German/Dutch (Colovian) or English with some elements of Greek and Spanish (Nibenean), influenced in many regions by neighboring cultures. if any culture in TES is Roman, it's the Dunmer; powerful Houses, three emperors (also gods, which is something the Romans wouldn't do, but still), a highly hedonistic society which rather hypocritically has very conservative laws and customs, disdain for outsiders yet willingness to do business with them, high respect for ancestors, and a shitload of slavery
Anonymous 10/12/14 (Sun) 03:01:03 No. 1290
>>1289 >a highly hedonistic society That wasn't quite Rome either. It's often portrayed that way in movies and literature but the average Roman was just a farmer and a soldier with one wife. No wine-fueled sex orgies for him.
I can kind of see your thing with Dunmer but there's one pivotal difference and that's the Romans were expansive and inclusive. The Dunmer are isolationist and as far as I can tell have no ambition to rule an empire.
One of the reasons Rome was so successful is that it incorporated the people it conquered and made them Romans as well. That sounds quite a bit like the Imperials and nothing like the Dunmer.
But yes the Imperials are missing the slave economy and the soldier citizen thing. To be fair the latter tradition died out as generals became more important than politicians but that's pretty much the state the Imperials are in now.
54m50n !rFHRbO/sT. 10/12/14 (Sun) 04:11:56 No. 1291
>>1290 >implying generals aren't important in Dunmer culture Nerevar and Symmachus come to mind. also, I get your point about hedonism, but thinking about it the Dunmer are mostly like that too, with the violence, sex and drugs mostly happening amongst the middle classes and wealthy elites in the cities. I will concede your point about isolationism, though considering how long it took Rome to conquer more than just a portion of Italy they must have been less expansionist at some point in their history
Anonymous 10/12/14 (Sun) 04:15:29 No. 1292
>>1217 irl NRx in Vancouver and Idaho? I don't want to get too off-topic, but do you have a link to this?
Anonymous 10/12/14 (Sun) 16:02:01 No. 1306
>>1292 The Hestia Society has started a physical chapter in Vancouver. Check their twitter or contact them on their site.
Anissimov has been trying to engage in reactionary political action in Idaho for a while by now. I don't know how one might get involved aside from contacting him.
Sorry /tes/, I'll try to make this the last time I drag my /pol/itical baggage into your threads.
Anonymous 10/12/14 (Sun) 19:06:47 No. 1308
>>1306 You're not the only crab in the board anon.
Anonymous 10/14/14 (Tue) 07:56:56 No. 1406
>>1091 >>1092 I can see a dunmer born in House Hlaalu wanting to get back to the good old days of his childhood when the Empire made his house grow strong
Anonymous 10/15/14 (Wed) 19:22:55 No. 1493
>>1122 There is no evidence of this claim, if you mean to say Ulfric is a "shill." The dossier actually say they cannot use him.
Anonymous 10/16/14 (Thu) 02:31:45 No. 1497
>>1493 I didn't say Ulfric was a shill, I said I am a shill. It's preferable for the stormcloaks to win over the imperials, if somebody has to win at all.
Anonymous 10/16/14 (Thu) 04:40:33 No. 1501
>>1406 Haha that's true.
Hlaalu got BTFO, got kicked off the grand council and everything for being nothing but outlanders, Imperial-suckups and skooma smugglers.
Anonymous 10/16/14 (Thu) 05:06:49 No. 1503
>>1111 This. It's easier to control three kingdoms when they are all governed by the same ruling body.
Three separate kingdoms with different governments loosely allied by mutual interests on the other hand would be more difficult.
>>884 >The Mane >Because who gives a fuck. >It won't matter. The era will be wiped from memory due to a Dragonbreak. >To tell you the truth the Empire is as fucked with Skyrim as it is without it. The Empire is simply fucked no matter what happens. It's crumbling. It's decayed. It has a dead Emperor and no good heir to unite the Colovians and Nibenese. >Skyrim is fucked because it's Skyrim and that is the natural state of the Nordic homeland.
Anonymous 10/16/14 (Thu) 10:12:35 No. 1504
>Who did you side with, if anyone?
Anonymous 10/16/14 (Thu) 10:39:38 No. 1506
>>1504 >Because the dividing the race of Men apart further is just giving the Thalmor what they want. This seems to be the main logic for people who chose the Empire.
But as someone who was 55/45 Stormcloaks/Empire my view is the flipside of that argument- that the Empire is a sinking ship and dividing humanity is more like not putting all your eggs in one basket.
If all of humanity is represented by the Empire, then all of humanity is defeated in the Great War, all of humanity has to accept the White Gold Concordat etc.
I've seen this said before and another thing I'd like to point out is that all indications point to the Empire being absolutely infested with Thalmor agents.
They were infiltrated and coopted even when the Blades were still around and during a cold war.
The White Gold Concordat basically makes it legal for Thalmor agents to infiltrate Imperial society.
Pro-Imp guys go "Well the Empire will declare war soon and then the Stormcloaks will look like idiots" But I would posit that the Empire may be so compromised that it would be even less effective this time than it would be during the last war.
But as I said, 55/45 Stormcloaks. It's definitely not clear cut.
Anonymous 10/16/14 (Thu) 10:54:50 No. 1507
>>1506 >Empire is a sinking ship and dividing humanity is more like not putting all your eggs in one basket. True, but I'd also argue that that splitting the nations up just makes it easier for the Thalmor to play them against each other. I can't imagine a Stormcloak caring too much about Cyrodiil in trouble (hurr, serves them right for being pussies) or vice-versa (hurr, serves them right for rebelling)
I'll give you this. Though given the Ulfric dossier and the modus operandi of the Thalmor, I won't be surprised if they've already gotten roots down among the Stormcloaks just in case. After all, the dossier mentioned contact with Ulfric during the Civil War. How would the Thalmor be able to arrange if not by espionage?
But yes. It's a very grey scenario.
Anonymous 10/16/14 (Thu) 11:02:54 No. 1508
>>1507 Doesn't the dossier mention contract with Ulfric after the Markarth Incident?
This is before the civil war.
Anonymous 10/16/14 (Thu) 11:09:11 No. 1509
>>1508 The dossier is rather vague on the topic, though after re-reading seems to imply that it was just before the Markarth Incident. It does reference "indirect aid" for the Stormcloaks but it could easily refer to them sabotaging the Empire whenever convenient.
Anonymous 10/16/14 (Thu) 17:16:47 No. 1522
>Who did you side with, if anyone? >Why? >How will the two very different potential outcomes be handled in TES VI? >How fucked is the Empire without Skyrim? >How fucked is Skyrim without the Empire?
Anonymous 10/24/14 (Fri) 13:32:52 No. 2004
The Nords can't fight the Thalmor on their own. If more provinces fight back, then there's a chance, but Ulfric can't co-ordinate such an effort, because Ulfric is a fucking fool, and his alliances are weak and totally reliant on him being there to provide leadership. Ulfric would be easy for the Thalmor to off, and then it's all over. The Empire is a much greater flag to rally around, with much higher capacity for rallying the provinces.
Anonymous 10/24/14 (Fri) 14:22:26 No. 2010
>>2004
Anonymous 10/25/14 (Sat) 14:31:32 No. 2054
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I tried my hand at fighting for the Empire once.
Anonymous 10/26/14 (Sun) 04:49:41 No. 2076
>>2004 >The Nords can't fight the Thalmor on their own. Hammerfell did.
Anonymous 10/26/14 (Sun) 04:52:47 No. 2077
>>884 >tfw no Mount & Blade option Fuck it, I want to start my own kingdom
Anonymous 10/27/14 (Mon) 01:12:17 No. 2100
>>2076 hammerfell are n'wahs
the sort of n'wah that abduct their own son for being literate
Anonymous 10/29/14 (Wed) 11:03:20 No. 2243
The first time I played Skyrim I joined the storm cloaks because "Who the fuck is this? Ahh whatever kill him anyway." But after so many play throughs I would conquer Skyrim for myself.
Anonymous 10/31/14 (Fri) 04:47:44 No. 2310
>Who did you side with, if anyone?
Anonymous 10/31/14 (Fri) 15:16:44 No. 2323
My most entertaining playthrough was as an impulsive orc brute. He basically just lashed out at anything that angered him without considering the consequences. Since the Imperials wanted to execute him, he immediately stole a horse and rode straight to Windhelm to join the Stormcloaks, since he wanted to take it to the Imperials. He joined, then got sent to fetch some kind of item or whatever. He was already bored with the Stormcloaks at that point, but he figured he'd ditch them after that, maybe kill the lot of the guy he was meant to meet up with since they were looking down on him. Then it turned out to be tons of Imperials at the ruins, which was nice, so he killed them. Then there was a bunch of draugr, which he killed. Then he found it, the greatest helmet he had ever laid eyed on. It was heavy, made out of metal, and full of sharp bones! Since he had basically killed everything while the weak Stormcloaks hid behind his back, he was rather offended when they demanded he hand over the crown, so he killed them, and then he fucked off to other adventures without giving more thought to either the Imperials or Stormcloaks.
Anonymous 10/31/14 (Fri) 15:57:32 No. 2324
Skyrim can at best boot the Thalmor out for awhile. To go on the offensive, they would need to work with the other provinces, at which point it's at best the same as not having left the Empire, but likely worse. Ulfric has no idea what he's doing, because he doesn't know the Thalmor's strength. The Empire doubtlessly knows more about the Thalmor's power, that means the Empire is better equipped to judge the time to strike. I've seen people say that it'd be more troublesome to fight a splintered Empire where the provinces fight independently. Poppycock. The Empire has always allowed a great deal of military independence for the provinces, they aren't suddenly going to try to force any province's forces into adapting a style of combat they're not used to and which their provinces aren't suitable for. They have the Legion presence, which come from all provinces, and which fight as the Legion. Then the provinces have their own military. That has never changed. To fight the Thalmor at this point means to fight their presence in the provinces, first and foremost, and the Empire would in no way get in the way of the provinces doing that, any Legion presence would be a boost with few or no downsides.
Anonymous 10/31/14 (Fri) 22:49:04 No. 2332
>>1278 Talos' being an Emperor whose worship is banned by the Empire and being praised by the nationalist Nordic kingdom is such a clusterfuck.
Anonymous 11/01/14 (Sat) 17:54:38 No. 2341
>>2332 well it makes sense considering belief keeps gods alive.
Anonymous 11/23/14 (Sun) 01:52:15 No. 3236
>>1289 >their gods are more of a Greek/Egyptian hybrid Roman gods are more or less Greek gods under different names -
http://ancienthistory.about.com/od/romangods/a/022709RomanGrk.htm The Egyptians also more or less created Serapis to appease the Greeks and his popularity increased during Roman prominence -
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serapis Basically Roman and Greek pantheon is heavily intertwined, Egyptians were involved/influential.
Anonymous 11/23/14 (Sun) 01:59:56 No. 3237
>>1289 >>3236 Also Talos (IRL) is a Greek mythological figure and in-universe the idea of a man becoming a god falls in line with Rome's view of Caesar after his death, in that he was deified and considered a god when he was alive but definitely posthumously -
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imperial_cult_(ancient_Rome)#Divus_Julius
Anonymous 11/23/14 (Sun) 02:19:40 No. 3239
>>2243 Even if you took Skyrim for yourself the problem still arises; be an independent nation or side with the Empire?
Honestly haven't done it yet, but I'm most likely going to side with the Empire if I do.
The Empire's gearing for final war with the currently under-resourced Thalmor and a united Tamriel stands a better chance. Stormcloaks are isolationists in an age of international war with someone that won't take no for an answer when the Empire can rally Skyrim AND everyone else. This is all under the caveat that the Empire gets its shit together.
They won't.
Lose the majority of their frontline warriors and offensive might. Rather fucked.
Short term - Unfucked, they get to be left alone for possibly a generation
Long term - What
>>2324 said. Skyrim's isolationist approach to international politics won't help in a world war when the Thalmor are already present. At that point it depends entirely on what the Thalmor do. Skyrim simply isn't as strong as the combined Empire. They may have geographical advantage, but in a universe were magic exists it most likely would not matter long term against a rebuilt Thalmor army that's already within the borders.
Solution: Empire gears up, Nordic recruitment drive simply states "The Thalmor invaded your lands and banned the worship of your lord Talos. We have allowed this for too long. Enlist today. Fight side by side with all of Tamriel for Skyrim's rights!"
Anonymous 11/24/14 (Mon) 02:46:04 No. 3297
Because I am a Man (and not a Mer), my allegiance is entirely devoted to Talos. Because the empire officially denounced the worship of Talos, I cannot support it. Wulf said it best:
Anonymous 11/24/14 (Mon) 06:39:41 No. 3304
Anonymous 11/24/14 (Mon) 07:00:29 No. 3305
>>3297 Sounds Warhammer great crusade as fuck.
Seeing as dragons are back can we get Imperial Techprists like in TES redguard?
That Governer's hobby was oh-so practical.
Anonymous 11/24/14 (Mon) 11:01:16 No. 3315
>>3297 I'm not really sure that the fall of Rome/Byzanthium is all that comparable and the rise of the Ottoman Empire is really comparable. Especially since the Ottomans were relatively tolerant of dissenting religion for the time period.
Anonymous 11/25/14 (Tue) 06:51:57 No. 3330
>>3315 The Ottomans were as tolerant of other religions as Thalmor Germany was tolerant of the Japanese.
Anonymous 11/25/14 (Tue) 14:38:03 No. 3347
Anonymous 11/25/14 (Tue) 22:16:55 No. 3360
>>3330 So, "east Aryans" and allies?
Anonymous 11/25/14 (Tue) 22:50:31 No. 3364
>>3315 It depended on the time period. In the early days of the Ottoman Empire, there was very, very little tolerance of any religious differences. As the empire grew, dissenting religions were integrated Ottoman society, some even becoming wealthy. However, as conflicts with Catholic and Orthodox Christians continued, Ottoman attitudes towards non-Muslims recessed for the worse.
Anonymous 11/25/14 (Tue) 23:02:39 No. 3366
>>3297 >bretons >jews The Atmoric races are closest to Indo-European. The Redguards, as the loading screen claims, are in a separate Yokudan family. Redguards, as of Skyrim, are Arabs. Arabs are Afroasiatic. So are jews. Therefore, if there ever will be a happy merchant race in TES, it will be some Redguard-related tribe.
Anonymous 11/25/14 (Tue) 23:31:51 No. 3367
>>3366 I didn't like the Redguards as Arabs. I always viewed them as Atlanteans who happened to have African West Coast-like beliefs.
Anonymous 12/19/14 (Fri) 16:52:14 No. 4059
>>1204 After Delphine and her bullshit, I'd rather wipe the Blades out that reform them. Esbern was at least bearable until he joined in on the fuck Parthunaax train.
I miss Baurus.
Anonymous 12/19/14 (Fri) 17:20:57 No. 4060
THE EMPIRE WILL RISE AGAIN
Anonymous 12/20/14 (Sat) 00:31:15 No. 4063
>>4059 why wasn't his VA in Skyrim?
Anonymous 12/24/14 (Wed) 05:58:58 No. 4164
>>884 >Who did you side with, if anyone? Stormcloaks in an indirect capacity, the companions philosophy is best
Because the Law's purpose is to protect the life liberty and property of its citizens and nothing more. the White gold concordat voilates the life (by allowing foreign adversaries free reign to roam man's territory and apply their own positive laws on subjects not their own), Liberty (by entering peoples personal lives to decide who they can and can't worship and therefore their moral and ethical compass) and property (allowing Thalmor warrentless raids on the homes of ciizens as well as the warrentless search and seizure by domestic Imperial authorities)
as such this makes Imperial law illegitmate
lol dragon break, akatosh/alduin ripped time we ain't gotta splain shit. (i really wish obsidian did the civil war, imagine Fallout New Vegas level of detail for the political dichotomy and intrigue between the two)
Pretty fucked, their already fucked considering cyrodil is a commerce based economy and most of their former trading partners hate them. skyrim will probably heavilly tax their trade in agricultural and industrial goods, they won't have the funds nor the real manpower
not so much, to get to skyrim they have to get through cyrodil which will act as a buffer state. they can invade by sea but that will be slow and treaherous as the north is surrounded by icey water as well as iceebergs. the landing force would likely b pushed back into the sea
Anonymous 12/24/14 (Wed) 09:38:38 No. 4168
>>4059 And I missed Caius Cosades. I bet he wouldn't be too pleased with the state of the Blades in the Fourth Era.
Anonymous 12/24/14 (Wed) 15:17:46 No. 4170
the best path would be>win the civil war for the empire. >join the thieves guild to establish conections. >invest in every shop in skyrim to strenthen the economy >become a thane of every hold. >join the dark brotherhood and assassinate the emperor >new emperor declares war on the thalmor with skyrim backing them up with connections and powerful economy due to your investments.
Anonymous 12/24/14 (Wed) 16:47:26 No. 4173
>Neither, with some stronger Imperial leaning >Dragonborn calls for ceasefire >Elenwen btfo >Dragonborn tells both sides to cut their pissing match out, they all hate the Thalmor so get the fuck over it >Now he's gonna go fly a dragon into the afterlife so he can kill an immortal aspect of time, and when he returns there'd better not be any milk-drinkers afraid of fighting some elven pricks >I can only wish Or maybe we really do get Black Marsh or some other region that wouldn't be too concerned with the outcome in the first place.
Anonymous 12/24/14 (Wed) 18:19:56 No. 4174
>play Redguard >Empire fucks up another war >Empire tells mer scum they can have our land >Regada tells Thalmor to kick rocks >Elves wanna fight >U WOT M8 >Nords think they can do the same >TFW the Yokudan Jihad begins soon
Anonymous 01/01/15 (Thu) 01:01:48 No. 4292
>Empire executes and tortures without a fair trial >No problem >HOLY FUCK I'M SO TRIGGERED
Anonymous 01/01/15 (Thu) 01:16:51 No. 4295
>>1091 Same; Stormcloaks might not be nice to Dunmer, but at least they don't try to cut our heads off for no reason.
Anonymous 01/01/15 (Thu) 01:26:53 No. 4296
I can understand why the Stormcloaks are racist toward Dunmer to an extent. They don't have the best track record. Remember when they enslaved shittons of people?
Anonymous 01/01/15 (Thu) 04:51:46 No. 4304
Stormcloak.
Anonymous 01/01/15 (Thu) 05:45:58 No. 4305
>>4304 You know what'd be an amazing twist? If the Empire acted like official bitch to the Thalmor, let them do what they want for a while.
Then the Thalmor inevitably say 'we're invading Hammerfell again, you with us?'. Smile and nod, and march alongside them. Then slaughter them in the fields when the time is right.
Anonymous 01/01/15 (Thu) 16:28:44 No. 4307
>>4296 >Remember when they enslaved shittons of people? >Animal fuckers. >Trinnimacs walking shit.
Legate Crunch 01/09/15 (Fri) 09:01:55 No. 4415
>>1104 the bosmer were somewhat forced, and the dumb cats went along with the thalmor willingly on the sole basis of them believing the thalmor when they claimed to bring the moons back after the void nights.
Legate Crunch 01/09/15 (Fri) 09:18:46 No. 4417
>>4304 the only reason hammerfell was even able to boot the thalmor out of the alik'r at all was because the empire weakened the thalmor after the battle of the red ring. Think about it, the thalmor were just as weak as the imperial army was at that point yet hammerfell took 5 MORE YEARS to defeat WEAKENED thalmor forces. Who's to say the empire is not having ambassadors spy on the thalmor? the player never goes to Alinor or the rest of the dominion to see if that happens. Not to mention that if the thalmor DID take cyrodil and the other nations and just left skyrim and hammerfell, they would definitely be doomed. The Thalmor tricked Ulfric into instigating the civil war to weaken the empire so invading skyrim full force would be easier while the troops are occupied fighting each other instead of remaining vigilant. Plus if the thalmor were to invade by sea, skyrims ships are no more than canoes while the empire has ACTUAL ships. not to mention that without any imperial influence….skyrims economy would topple. Ulfric is just a Thalmor pawn.
Anonymous 01/23/15 (Fri) 05:02:55 No. 4740
>>2076 Redguards are so tough they blew up their own homeland and fucked up the empire when they needed a new one.
Nords are so tough their patron god is a Breton and the only people they ever managed to defeat were the weakest of the elves.
Anonymous 01/23/15 (Fri) 07:19:32 No. 4743
It would be nice to see some decent arguments for the pro-empire side, but as usual the vast majority of them rely on silly leaps of logic like the willingly spy infested empire (they let the thalmor build forts in their territory and have them attend political gatherings for gods sake)being super geared up to fight back or random claims with zero evidence such as "Because Ulfric is dumb!" – so prove it; Give me an example of Ulfric doing something only a human of below average intelligence would do – and keep in mind he was pretty damn young during most of his written back story, I think he was barely over 20 when the great war ended. Then there's the constant display of failed reading comprehension in regards to that thalmor dossier, that never gets old.
examples:
>>886 > "if I have to choose it's Empire because better chance at comeback" >gives zero explanation. >>1092 Thinks stormcloak = thalmor
>>1109 example of the dossier misinterpretation again.
>>1160 "Not enough balls hurr"
>>1504 >"Because the dividing the race of Men apart further is just giving the Thalmor what they want. Also because the Stormcloaks are retarded idealists in general." Makes Wild claims and downright childish generalizations without evidence.
>>2004 >Implies the thalmor spies in skyrim would be able to take on the victorious stormcloaks, let alone survive being massacred before they can get the fuck out of dodge. >"Ulfric is dumb" – see above >>2324 >Is confused, thinking that this is the same empire as previous games. >"Ulfric has no idea what he's doing, because he doesn't know the Thalmor's strength" as if anyone fucking does, nice logic.
>for the rest see above >>4296 >Mede II seemed "Prophetic" ooook
>"Empire knows things the stormcloaks don't" We really aren't given much indication of this.
>>4417 >"Thalmor pawn hurr durr" >Implies the Empire would come back after getting BTFO, as if they can spare the man power when they are already recruiting locally. >Thinks skyrim needs shekels to stay afloat >>4740 >tries to imply the nords aren't tough as shit. >trivializes the snow elves getting btfo. The only good arguments are from people like
>>2310 who aren't even totally pro-empire, they just examine the possibilities.
Anyway, my post is taking up enough space as is but where I stand is pretty obvious and the why has been pretty well covered by the other pro-stormcloaks. I can't say how fucked either of them would be because we really don't know how strong the Thalmor are right now, they are certainly well-informed thanks to the emperor.
It will likely be extremely vague as per usual and will either be far enough removed from the events that it won't be brought into detail or far enough ahead in time that the characters of skyrim are dead.
Anonymous 01/23/15 (Fri) 23:20:40 No. 4773
Holy shit you n'wah. Ya'll s'wit choose either side when the clear choice was to choose neither and broker a truce between the Empire and Stormcloaks. >AD's plans are now fucked >Skyrim is still strong >Empire is still strong >Both have all their warriors
Anonymous 04/14/15 (Tue) 17:25:24 No. 6448
>>884 Let both sides tear each other apart while we take what remains.
Anonymous 04/14/15 (Tue) 21:00:43 No. 6454
>tfw no Knights of the Nine >tfw no Talos crusaders separate from Stormcloaks >tfw vigilants of stendarr are the closest thing we get to clerics fightan evil >tfw they get rekt by vampires >tfw no Pelinal Whitestrake >tfw
Anonymous 04/15/15 (Wed) 09:38:47 No. 6466
Anonymous 04/15/15 (Wed) 10:43:12 No. 6467
>>1122 >Xarxes/Arkay >Trinimac >Altmer literally worship the ancestors of their social betters.
Anonymous 04/15/15 (Wed) 19:51:36 No. 6469
>>6454 What happened to the Knights of the Nine anyway?
Please tell me they are planing a crusade against the Thalmor
Please tell me that Whitestrake will somehow come back and kill off the elves once again.
Anonymous 04/15/15 (Wed) 22:39:43 No. 6472
>>6469 After Oblivion? I have no clue.
I don't think there's anything that speaks on the KoN.
>Please tell me that Whitestrake will somehow come back and kill off the elves once again. That would make my year if Bethesda did that.
Would've made a better DLC than Hearthfire, that's for sure.
Anonymous 04/16/15 (Thu) 01:26:34 No. 6475
>>2054 Is it just me or is CWO a total piece of shit that breaks down constantly
Anonymous 04/16/15 (Thu) 02:27:06 No. 6476
Anonymous 04/23/15 (Thu) 03:53:51 No. 6612
>>884
>Who did you side with, if anyone? Stormcloaks
>Why?
Played as a Nord
>How will the two very different potential outcomes be handled in TES VI?
Implying TES VI will take place after the events in Skyrim, I have no idea. Maybe the history books and actual events are simply rewritten to suit the Thalmor's objectives.
>How fucked is the Empire without Skyrim?
Not too fucked.
>How fucked is Skyrim without the Empire?
Not fucked at all.
Anonymous 04/23/15 (Thu) 05:33:54 No. 6613
>>3297
>Time for something young and new. What? No idea. Because I'm old. Old dog doesn't get new ideas. But maybe young folks like you should try some new ideas. I don't know. Could be messy. But change is never pretty.
>implying he isn't talking about that the Thalmor
Anonymous 05/28/15 (Thu) 23:23:58 No. 7339
>>884
I think the next TES game will just mention a civil war, and that the Dragonborn did something to make a new, better empire, what that means will be up to vague interpretation, as usual. Or maybe another warp event?
Anonymous 05/29/15 (Fri) 04:13:09 No. 7344
>>7339
The events of TESV won't really matter in regard to the Civil War. The "actual" deciding battles will take place a few years after TESV - and the victor will be decided by Bethesda. Chances are, Skyrim is going to stay in the Empire.
If Bethesda decides the Empire was defeated, there will be another push by the new Emperor - whoever takes over after Mede II - to take back Skyrim that is defeated. If they decide Empire wins, the Stormcloak rebels will still exist several years after the Civil War and make another major push to kick the new offensive out of Skyrim and will be defeated. Ulfric is almost certainly going to be considered killed either during the Civil War or shortly afterwards (historians are unsure, of course).
Anonymous 05/29/15 (Fri) 16:03:13 No. 7354
>>884
>Who did you side with, if anyone?
Stormcloaks, playing as high elf
>Why?
It would be easier for the aldmeri dominion to invade an independent skyrim, than invading a skyrim controlled by imperials
>How will the two very different potential outcomes be handled in TES VI?
They'll probably just pick one outcome, or choose a different time period and location and never reference skyrim ever
>How fucked is the Empire without Skyrim?
Very
>How fucked is Skyrim without the Empire?
Very
Anonymous 05/29/15 (Fri) 17:07:05 No. 7358
>>6612
Off topic: I'm going to want the sauce on that episode in your .gif
>>884
>Who did you side with, if anyone?
When I first started playing, I sided with the Stormcloaks. Later on with different characters, I kept choosing Imperials.
>Why?
Simply because I can make more attractive Imperial people. And they're kind of like the Holy Roman Empire.
>How will the two very different potential outcomes be handled in TES VI?
I'm sick of Ulfric and Elisif's shit. They can both die of syphilis after a torrid love affair. I just want the death of the Emperor by the Dark Brotherhood to be mentioned.
>How fucked is the Empire without Skyrim?
The Empire loses a few trade routes without Skyrim. That's it.
>How fucked is Skyrim without the Empire?
They're not. Skyrim only needs the Empire's forces if there's an invasion by other continents. The Alik'r can't even handle a single low level adventurer in groups of five with ten scimitars among them. Khajiit's are too fucked up on moon sugar. There's too much dry land for Argonian wetbacks to fight without the option of fleeing into the water if they're losing, but the Aldmeri Dominion might pose a problem. As much as I hate the Thalmor douchebags, they do have mastery of magic and sheer numbers.
Anonymous 06/10/15 (Wed) 15:48:02 No. 7573
The empire had to come to an agreement do they could stop the war between them because the thalmor would pretty much annihilate the empire and enslave any race that wasnt altmer. If it weren't for the stormcocks, the empire could have strengthened it's forces. The thalmor laugh at Ulfric and his idiot patriots because with them in charge, the thalmor can just march in
Anonymous 06/12/15 (Fri) 22:03:57 No. 7582
>>884
>Who did you side with, if anyone?
Stormcloaks every time besides once when I went to experience the other end.
>Why?
Empire is run by an incompetent warlord family with no legitimacy. Empire is over in words of Wulf himself.
Ulfric is right about everything.
>How will the two very different potential outcomes be handled in TES VI?
Both and none at the same time. Tulius - Ulfric - Dragonporn enantiomorph.
>How fucked is the Empire without Skyrim?
It'll gravel back in 50 years and submit to Skyrim.
>How fucked is Skyrim without the Empire?
It isn't. Elves can't handle Hammerfell and Skyrim is too far away.
Anonymous 06/13/15 (Sat) 04:56:22 No. 7584
>who did you side with
imperials usually but I also like to go with the compromise path, something tells me that's the canon path.
>why?
I've always loved roman shit and the imperial armor looks cool to me. I also sided with caeser even though I didn't agree with them just because I love how their armor looks.
>how will the two very different outcomes be handled in tes6?
I think that skyrim will be made into two separate provinces but their bitter rivalry will dissipate over time. It'd be really cool for a east/west Germany kind of thing. Of course stormcloaks would be DDR and imperials would be west germany.
>how fucked is the empire without skyrim
not that much, skyrim didn't have very much industry or agriculture. To be frank, it was a shithole. All it is to the imperials is more land that could be used.
>how fucked is skyrim without the empire
well tell me, how is skyrim industry looking? How about their farmland? Skyrim is fucked without the empire. It's a province that relies almost entirely on importation. The only thing skyrim is known for producing is weapons and armor and even then they're weapons are getting outclassed by dunmer weapons which are not only of superior build but cheaper.
Anonymous 06/13/15 (Sat) 20:13:32 No. 7586
Stormcloak
Because the Imperials are without a dynasty now and are essentially ToG.
No idea really. But I believe the Stormcloak was the intended path to pick anyways.
Skyrim is a cashcow for the empire currently thanks to things like the silvermines. They're fucked but this will also fuck the Thalmor.
Skyrim under its own rule will lead down a path of prosperity. Skyrim can hold its own.
Or they could continue down the path with the empire, Altmari dominion, and illegal worship of their god and soon there won't be nords or skyrim left.
Anonymous 06/30/15 (Tue) 18:35:37 No. 7687
I was the edgily aloof badass who didn't care about sides. The only reason I even saved the world is 'cause I have to live in it. Nothing personnel.