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>>212987

A lot further. Without chaos, order wouldn't be such a big deal. Humanity would devolve into humans once again. Assuming the other factions do not simply replace chaos.

>>212987

Depends on the Inquisitor or the Ecclesiarch that makes that call - their interpretation would carry a hell of a lot of weight.

However I think as far as general rules make any sense in the Imperium as long as the religion has something that can be (at least vaguely) interpreted as The Emperor at the top of it, and tells everyone to abide by the law, hate the xenos/mutants/heretics etc, and pay their tithes on time then they won't give too much of a damn about the particular local flavour, unless - as stated above - it's a particularly puritanical/retarded/egotistical person making the call.

>>212996

>Assuming the other factions do not simply replace chaos

Which they will. Chaos is simply one of the many problems the Imperium faces. Even without it, they still have to deal with secessionists and xenos empires.

>>213013

I cannot believe back in the days mullets were cool.

>>213015

they were replaced with rebelcuts and dyed hair

Given the alternative they are slightly more pleasing, at least you are dealing with a hick as opposed to a lib art student

>>213016

Except the polytheistic part, you're spot on. Higher class worlds tend to follow some of the Ecclesiastical canon, but there are many cases of feral worlds worshiping the Emperor as the vengeful tempest, the sun, or something similar.

My Only War players want to make a feudal world based on radical feminism, all of the players are playing as girls, all of their comrades are male slaves.

They want to take a drawback where they have troubles interacting with Ecclesiarchy because they believe that the God Emperor is actually the God Empress.

While we all think this is funny, would this actually be possible in canon? Is this too far off the mark?

>>213049

But didn't the Martian tech cultists work him into their own weird theology in a novel way? Like Emperor is Jesus, son of Machine God or some shit. My lore skills are bad. Seems like as long as Emperor gets to be the Odin of the pantheon and everyone else is a lesser god, then all would be just fine.

>>213053

They get away with it because they say the Omnissiah and the Emperor are the same being. Worshipping Emps and only Emps is actually pretty significant for the Ecclesiarchy, because even acknowledging that other gods exist gets you that much closer to Chaos. Also, since prayer/belief=power, worshipping a pantheon is not only sending less prayer-energy to the Big E, it also starts creating that pantheon within the Warp.

>>213049

I think you see several cults of a specific saint within the Imperial Canon (Macharius,Celestine, etc) - which would be almost directly analogous to similar groups in RL Catholicism. But I imagine that the rules for such cults would be similar to those in Catholicism, you don't worship the saint but rather hold them up as an example to be followed; they don't preform miracles themselves but act as a conduit for Gods/Empies power and will. It's not polytheism; but it's about as close as you can get in a monotheistic religion.

>>213105

>but it's about as close as you can get in a monotheistic religion.

This is why Roman Catholicism is heresy.

>>213114

Technicalities are an incredibly important thing in any organised religions. A good chunk of theology is finding technicalities. The Sororitas are actually a magnificent parody of this sort of thing.

For example, Catholicism instructs faithful Catholics to abstain from eating meat on a Friday (as an act of penance in memory of the crucifixion), however theologians pointed out that the actual phrasing used was "beasts of the field" - which didn't include fish (there were a few groups in medieval Europe that argued that waterbirds were also OK to eat on Friday for the same reason).

Or, more amusingly, in France, where they argued that the period of abstinence and fasting over Lent specifically excluded any feast days, dedicated to saints, that occurred during lent. They also pointed out that there wasn't really all that much preventing them from moving a saints feast day to any date of the year (as the feast day is simply the day most commonly associated with the saint, usually their birthday or the day they died), which they then argued meant that you could move the feast days around so that every day of Lent was a feast day, and so no fasting or abstinence needed to happen, and in fact you could technically party throughout the period and still consider yourself a good Catholic. For better or worse this didn't really catch on.

my examples come from Catholicism because that's the religion I've studied the most

>>212987

I guess everything is fine until there's the emperor involved somehow-not matter in wich form. Sun god? Emperor? Spirit of the stars?

Oh, and of course, the planet must pay their taxes to Earth.

>>213016

basically, this.

>>212987

Depends how powerful the faction is. If they are part of a powerful and relied upon force such as the Astartes or the Mechanicus they can get away with a lot.

>>213052

Not an expert, but theoretically, 40K is a setting with fucking rocket-firing machine guns and eldritch sex gods. It's entirely possible, it's just a question of how long it lasts before someone declares HERESY.

https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Feral_World_Religion

A fun read that's at least a little bit related.

>>213016

kek

I wonder how the priests would react if a feral world worshipped the 4 chaos gods but had the Emperor as their leader. Is this heresy, not heresy, or extra heresy?

>>218301

Extra heresy, as it takes little to change the story to "X has overthrone the Emperor"

Wasnt there a genderswap 40k made at some point? i cant find it on 1d4chan or on google.

>>212987

So long as they worship the Emperor in some manner, most the time, they won't waste their time with it. More barbaric or backward worlds especially, given that they simply don't understand shit.

All in all, though, it is really up to the guy investigating.

Does this mean that there is at least one world in the Imperium where the Emperor is worshipped as the bringer of social justice? :^)

>>218355

He already is, given the establishment of organizations such as the inquisition. Inquisitors visit "social justice" upon every world they honor with their presence.

I mean, that's what exterminatus is; punish a whole world for the actions of a few.

>>213196

Well, technicly papa emps its a she too, since he is an "them" and not a singular person, formed by many proto-psykers, and he can change forms at will.

Homever, he has never been depicted as a woman, so he will remain as space jesus/ psychic conan the barbarian until GW says otherwise.

>>213121

I'm definitely going to need that for if/when I start an Imperial Cult Theology retry thread.

>>218305

Lovedagger?

>>218359

That only happened once probably and the Woofs murdered the fuck out of the inquisitor responsible for it anyway.

>>212987

Imperial religions is a bit like Pagan Rome, you can carry on your cult as long as it's not tied to Chaos and recognizes the Emperor.

Turns out polytheism is legal on Imperial worlds as long as they pay tribute to the Emperor.

>>213121

Techpriests don't answer to the eccliesarchy and their beliefs were oked by the emperor himself so it's all good

>>218301

I'm pretty sure they purge you for saying the traitor primarchs are the Emperor's sons, so saying the chaos gods are buddy-buddy with old empiechan is not ok

>>218417

>Tzeentch just sends them some funny dreams.

Is that why I keep seeing Chaos mercenaries in my dreams? Is that fucking bird to blame?

>>218426

Of coursh!

>>218378

I dont think thats it, i remember it has something like Roberta Guilliwoman or something silly like that.

>>218476

Warhammer 63k. It had the Isis Heresy instead of the Horus Heresy.

>>218355

Why not, but they'll quickly run into something. Suspicion in being Tau sympathizers, for example.

And if they lean close enough to the Logicians or other related tech-heresy - they'll be sorry Inquisition didn't get to them first.

>>212987

Reason empire of man is keeping xeno and chaos knowledge from its citizen is because believing that your opponent is something more than scam empowers him.

It basically work "I believe in something"="it is how I believe it to be". Believe in god makes that god stronger. So if you were to show citizens chaos some of them would thought it is not that bad as there is good side to them, making enemy of yours stronger.

Without main gods that are opposing empire, there would be no need to hide heretical stuff as citizens wouldn't empower the enemy. Making keeping citizens in black about other gods much less insignificant as there would be no other gods.

Pretty much this >>212996

>>213053

>>213064

The Mechanicus basically get away with it because A: They publicly say the Omnissiah is the Emprah, 2: Their worship, while deviant, is stable enough that Chaos usually doesn't get a foothold, and 3: The Imperium is depending on the Mechanicus to survive and so has to give enough leeway to them to cooperate.

>>213121

Rather funny that the Sororitas are basically emblematic of how the Imperium, while having old-fashioned language and outward culture (hence the loophole that allows the Sororitas), seems to be generally pretty egalitarian for most every standard today. At least on a mass scale; no doubt there's every flavour of intra-human oppression and prejudice found on some worlds.

>>213052

I remember in the "Last Chancers" the sniper bitch was basically there for worshiping Artemis could always make some hot 40k amazon babes