No.218483
40K: GW Battle for Vedros Website Spotted
"GW is rolling out a brand new website with a new line of 40K products aimed squarely at boys and girls! Take a look!
Let’s get started…
First of all, go here:
Warhammer 40,000 Battle for Vedros
And take a look at the new products and pictures.
Some Notes:
These look to be in roughly the same vein as the earlier “toy store products” spotted at the toy fair in Germany. These are reboxings of existing quick-assembly miniatures – aimed at newcomers to the hobby.
The videos are designed for viewers with zero background and experience with GW products.
The rules are DIFFERENT – this isn’t a set of 40K starter sets. The miniatures are identical, but the rules themselves are a super simplified version of 40k. (more on that later)
Note the example customers in the pictures, young boys AND GIRLS. GW looks to be trying to widen the appeal of thier customerbase."
FYI I kept the spelling errors from the original article.
http://archive.is/AznVy
No.218488
We have a 40K general for a reason. Check the catalog next time.
No.218511
>That Niglet
"Sheeeit mang y dah fuk ur boyz in blue shootin at mah niggaz over hea?"
No.218514
The logo on the box for the paints looks like a dong
No.218540
This is it, geedub is committing suicide with Age of Sigmar 40k and giving into feministic overlords. You faggots better get ready to use your teeth and not restrict your attacks against this conquering religion.
No.218541
>>218540
How is making an easy to access starter set giving in to feminists?
No.218542
>>218541
First is cringe worthy child actors in pictures. Next is networking blournos taking bribes from the company and putting vicious pseudo Marxist cunts in Human Resources overlord gate keeper positions.
No.218546
>>218542
Wait, GW hires marxist cunts into HR divisions now? Where did you read this?
No.218548
>>218546
GW puts out a little red book for employees to read, of course the company is full of marxists
No.218554
>>218546
Not yet but probably soon if it hasn't happend already.
No.218562
Age of Sigmar 40k in 3…2…1
No.218569
So… they are removing slaanesh?
No.218570
>Black child
>white female child
Neither of these will play with this.
No.218574
>>218548
>Implying every company doesn't have some form of human resource guidelines.
>>218562
Dude, if that happens, I'm fairly sure the 40k fanbase will collectively ignore it and continue playing 40k as normal. That's what hardcore WHFB player have done, to my knowledge.>>
>>218570
Plenty of little kids play 40k as it is. Who cares if some are black or female?
No.218576
>>218562
Then everyone goes and plays Horus Heresy, if they're a CSM, Space Marine, any human group really. And if they're a xeno player they're just fucked I guess.
No.218585
>>218511
*spills grape soda on model sprues*
AYYO HOL UP
No.218587
>>218540
Maybe they want to sell this thing in Sweden without producing two different box covers. Sweden has strict labeling laws where if there is a child playing with a toy on a box or in an ad, there has to be a boy AND a girl.
No.218588
>>218587
>Sweden has strict labeling laws where if there is a child playing with a toy on a box or in an ad, there has to be a boy AND a girl.
Congratulations Sweden. Even if this is made up I'd believe it. This is what your country has become.
No.218592
>>218588
Sweden is already censoring news articles. This isn't even surprising.
No.218602
>>218541
within the year we will have an announcement of a "age of sigmar" version of 40k with simplified rules along with female and male space marines (or whatever they will call them)
No.218606
>>218602
>GW will bend over backwards to justify female space marines
>Sisters will continue to languish forever
No.218607
Hang about this is just a repackage of blackreach, with a simpler rule set, in an attempt to get new younger players in, i don't see a problem yet.
bell of lost souls is pretty fucking canserous i'm pretty sure they have or had a really hard on feminist thread.
Are we just jumping at shadows at the moment or are is there something going on here.
No.218608
>>218607
Probably just shadows, but it's unsurprising that a more "major" site would attract people like the cancer they are. But yes it's almost definitely just repacked AoBR
>>218606
If GW was smart they'd push Sisters of Battle, to satisfy both crowds. But no, they'll fucking do exactly that. JUST WATCH THEM
No.218609
>>218608
snap-fit Sisters NEVER EVER
No.218612
>>218607
They did the math, realized their players are getting older and older. Youngins are all about their videogames. They need to get people young to develop a taste for tabletop.
The FLGS is becoming less and less of a thing, where parents in days past could dump their kids for 3 hours to play 40k and YuhiOh and shit.
I think the idea of trying to attract young folks is totally fine. If they manage to get some girls to play, too, sure, money is money, why the hell cares?
But I'm not sure this is the best strategy. They might have some luck bribing adult players with free shit by letting them host warhammer parties at local libraries. A lot of guys mentor young folks with D&D clubs. Keep em off the streets or whatever.
No.218613
>>218612
Completely agreed.
It's MUCH harder to get someone to become a customer spontaneously without one of their peers/friends etc. being a part of it.
No.218638
I honestly see nothing wrong with this. I'll probably get it for my younger siblings, they like boardgames and such but might not be ready for full 40K, it better not cost too much though.
No.218642
>>218638
These box sets are always very comparatively cheap. Betrayal at Calth was what, $120?
No.218650
>>218606
Nah, not even GW are that dumb.
Right? R-right?
No.218651
I have never ever seen a nigger interested in this hobby.
No.218652
File: 1455477806922.jpg (22.58 KB, 680x558, 340:279, but hte future refused to ….jpg)
>>218606
>>GW will bend over backwards to justify female space marines
>>Sisters will continue to languish forever
>tfw you realize either way there will be a bunch of rainbow haired bulldykes in the setting that are healthy at any size because of that influence.
One of the chapter masters will likely be named Merkel and she often allies with xeno filth
No.218655
>>218651
I've seen precisely one, but he was a cool dude.
>>218650
They made AoS and said that Pokemon was a passing fad. So yes, they are that dumb.
No.218656
>>218655
Black guy used to play at our local club. Played mummy terminators iirc
No.218657
>>218656
We wuz sorcerar kangz and shieet
No.218670
>>218656
>>218657
Da necronz wuz black!
No.218671
>>218670
We wuz being da root of all gahlactic civiluhzation but den de old ones crackas came outta da caves and ohpressed us
No.218672
>>218671
Mufukkin Eldar n'shit wuz livin in caves! whilze we wuz conquerin space in owa piramid'z
fukk mang dem kracka ass old ones shot up mah brotha the d-E-ceva sheeeit he dindu nuffin!
No.218683
I am calling it now, this is what was originally going to replace 40k before AoS bombed. Now they are just using this to target kids exclusively. Unless those other rumors of 40k becoming simplified and formation exclusive turn out to be true.
No.218684
>>218483
So, it's 40K Basic? I was in my mid teens when I first played 2nd ed 40K, so tripping over the rules was part of the fun, not sure a baby version will really do what they want it to do. Even the simplified quickstart rules they sometimes have aren't something you can play with long.
>>218606
>GW would push female space marines JUST so they don't have to make plastic Sisters of Battle
Anything to fuck up my dream of buying a SoB army for less than the cost of a house, eh?
No.218685
>>218656
>>218657
>>218670
So women play Nids, and blacks play Crons?
Yet GW goes right for Space Marines in the kid version.
No.218705
> Games Workshop hires a marketing company to photograph a few brats one afternoon
> Author and commenters cream themselves at the sight of a little girl in the pictures
Nice
No.218707
>>218705
Yeah, it'll do it for the media types, but how would you guys get kids into actually buying minis for 40K?
I honestly am not sure how I'd do it due to most games for younger kids that catch on, like card games, can be played anywhere and only take about 20 minutes. Nothing about 40K is absurdly easy to set up or carry around, and takes a fair amount of space. How do you package that small enough that people can try it out easily yet still entice them to drop hundreds of dollars and hours of their time later on? I'm not saying it can't be casualized, I'm saying it can't easily be casualized in a way that makes GW real money.
No.218713
>>218511
And there you have it. It's all obviously propaganda about how it's ok for police to brutally torture and murder poor defenseless POC, it's triggering potential and problematicness is through the roof!
>>218602
No way. If anything, this means there WON'T be any AOS shit in 40k, because they're making a sideline game for kiddies instead.
>>218707
About the only thing you can do is start out with super simple and cheap skirmish with a handful of units per side, and then keep enticing them into keep digging deeper.
No.218723
>>218612
>>218613
I actually like these ideas.
>>218705
>>218570
But I am worried will we get this. Or shit that is similar to video games. Pointless appeal to demographics that will end up changing the entire point of the game, but will not result in more sales.
If you give these fuckers an inch they take a mile. Like how they were complaining about a lack of Asians in the new star wars or a lack of a Muslim Jedi or some shit like that.
Related: https://archive.is/KzJgx
IE STONK TRANS WOMYN PLAY THIS GAME TOO XIRS. NOW SHUT UP AS WE MAKE ALL THE IMPORTANT PEOPLE BLACK FEMALE MIDGETS OF COLOUR
No.218726
No.218784
>>218726
>read these
>read the comments
>don't know who is trolling and who is for real
No.218795
Whoever made a thread about this on /v/ and said "/tg/ here" can go fuck themselves.
I don't really see all the panic about this shit. So fucking what? It's just a niglet on some advertisement. How is this LE GIVING INTO SJWS? Niggers are everywhere in adverts? It's just the usual agenda pushing you see from ad agencies that are usually hired to make adverts by other companies.
No.218803
>>218795
and this is why they so easily took over gaming
No.218805
>>218803
"A negro? Enjoying MY hobby?! O, truly our doom has come!"
One look at the SM fluff reveals that LE EQUAL REPRESENTATION is already present, from Mongol White Scars (who are, shockingly enough, from Asia) to fucking Tallarn Desert Raiders. (By the way BL makes repeated references to women serving as Guardsmen, and PAULDRONS VIDYA has a female Lieutenant)
Who cares either way? I'm just happy GW is doing something useful for its business interests for once.
In case you hadn't noticed, tabletop gaming is dying out. If more players turn up to my FLGS and play some 40k with me I honestly could not give a tupenny fuck what race they are or if they have a cunt.
No.218806
>>218795
>>218803
As much as that thread wasn't really warranted to be on /v/, second anon is right. The price of liberty is eternal vigilance.
No.218810
>>218806
So what am I supposed to do about this advert? I'm fucking tired of it all. Tired of the constant narrative bullshit in other media and especially tired at explaining the state of GW and its properties to retards who only know about Warhammer because they spammed a couple of images of Space Marines in a furry thread once.
Just look at this shit.
No.218813
>>218805
You just made yourself look like a faggot by posting that image and potentially starting an unrelated argument by calling someone "/pol/".
Also
>4chan presents
Nice job.
No.218814
No.218895
>>218806
>>218803
If this was /v/, we'd be able to tell for sure if there WAS a second anon, and not just YOU agreeing with your own post. The point remains that taking things from here, going to /v/ and yelling "40K has fallen to the SJWs!" makes the entire board look stupid. Look stupid on your own fucking time, you don't represent all of us.
Honestly, if GW wants to get more DIVERSITY POINTS, they should hurry up on bringing back Necromunda. They could honestly even change the gangs up to be more diverse and just say the old ones mostly died out, I don't give a fuck. I just want that ruleset and fairly cheap modular terrain. Get a range of snapfit, customizable ganger models, and everyone's happy.
No.218897
If all the 40k players in my area did not quit when AOS came out I would be more upset. The cessation of sales nearly ran the LGS out of business.
No.218902
Keep complaining, but not just here.
Make Games Workshop and 40K synonymous with terrible quality.
I know it seems bad, but this is a power-grab to make up for loosing ground in gaming. Push them back.
Always complain.
No.218908
>>218483
>GW looks to be trying to widen the appeal of thier customerbase.
Because, historically, little girls have always had an undying fascination with monsters and army men, but cis het patriarchal oppressors have always used gendered marketing to stop them from playing!
Pfffft…
No.218910
>>218895
>The point remains that taking things from here, going to /v/ and yelling "40K has fallen to the SJWs!" makes the entire board look stupid. Look stupid on your own fucking time, you don't represent all of us.
the other guy already did the screen shot so there is no point in repeating that
also I had no idea that thread existed on /v/ until I saw it mentioned here, I'm just saying that a passive bitch attitude like the one I responded to is why video games are now overran with SJWs
plus 40k is pretty popular in video games, so I fail to see the problem with pointing out there what's going on with the tabletop version
No.218911
>>218908
Now I've only talked to a few women who were interested in 40K or actually played it, and the most common thing I saw was that they like TYRANIDS. Women like critters, they don't actually need an all female army to enjoy the game. GW has to do some market research and shit, has anyone met a girl who was just "Oh shit, I love Space Marines/Orks!"?
>>218910
>passive bitch attitude
The fuck are you talking about? Videogames have had infiltrators, yeah, but the community as a whole has been pushing back hard against this bullshit. Claiming there is a huge SJW take over of GW (when it's probably just corporate stupidity) with no proof should be beneath us.
The problem is that GW might not understand how easy it would be for them to "widen the demographic" without alienating the hardcore fanbase they've had all these decades. Honestly, a starter set for children should probably have Nids and Tau. Because kids fucking love critters and communism.
No.218912
>>218911
>Now I've only talked to a few women who were interested in 40K or actually played it, and the most common thing I saw was that they like TYRANIDS. Women like critters, they don't actually need an all female army to enjoy the game. GW has to do some market research and shit, has anyone met a girl who was just "Oh shit, I love Space Marines/Orks!"?
Tyranid or Eldar. It's always Tyranid or Eldar.
No.218915
>>218912
I always forget about Eldar. I guess those would be the logical way to get more women interested in 40K, since they're NEVER GOING TO MAKE PLASTIC SISTERS OF BATTLE!
I'm sorry, I've just been playing since 2nd ed, and all I ever asked for was some plastic Sisters so I can burn stuff.
No.218924
>>218911
>Claiming there is a huge SJW take over of GW (when it's probably just corporate stupidity) with no proof should be beneath us
We should just assume corporate stupidity and leave it at that, to be honest.
>>218915
We can always hope, Anon. We can always hope.
No.218926
>>218911
>>218912
I've met one who played Orcs, one who sort-of played SoB and Dwarves, and heard of some who play Nids and Orks.
But Nids are indeed the one I keep hearing most women playing. Maybe it's the weirdly sexual Gigeresque theme and a secret desire to be the mother of a innumerable horde of all-consuming space bugs.
No.218931
>>218926
I know on old /tg/ a lot of the women there who cared about 40K were also into the whole alien bug monster impregnation thing. Which I didn't even know was a thing until then.
No.218933
>>218810
1) Become Necron
2) Gain intense hatred of all life
?)
4) Profit
but seriously, this really triggers me to no end
No.218935
>>218902
And why exactly should i do that?
Because a black kid appeared in an add?
Because GW wants to bring new people in the hobby before it dies with us?
Why do you fail to notice the nonsense of your actions?
No.218937
>>218483
They've had cheap, plastic Space Marines and Orks since FOREVER. They need to make more cheap starter armies for the other factions. Just cheap boxes with a core force and rules to use that force. If they add in simple terrain like the Infinity stuff is doing now, they can have it arranged where each player just has to buy their army to start playing, and the core rules come into play once they start expanding from there.
I'm sitting on a box full of Orks, haven't really played since 6th ed came out. Does this simplified kids version mean 8th edition might be on the way, or is 7th ed still the thing for a few more years?
No.218966
>>218483
>The miniatures are identical, but the rules themselves are a super simplified version of 40k
No.218978
>>218937
The biggest problem though, is that it's marines vs orks. But with this simplified version, maybe Orks won't suck so much ass and the poor kids won't find out how terrible they are until they try playing real 40k.
No.218983
>>218692
is her tit ripped off and replaced with a naval mine?
No.218992
No.219007
>>218983
No you dumbface, it is only the head of a morning star, jeez.
No.219036
>>218805
kill yourself you leftist faggot. /tg/ is not your safespace.
>>>/cuckchan/
No.219043
>>219036
Stop being such a reactionary loonie.
No.219049
>>219036
Nor is it the /pol/itical Party's bastion. The speaker's politics can be irrelevant to refuting or entertaining their argument.
No.219162
>>219043
>>219049
>retarded larping
/pol/ is the core of 8chan, it's the heart and soul that keeps the rest moving, the second most popular board - and /v/ is just /pol/ talking about vidya.
get with the program.
No.219353
>nigger boy and white girl
CUCKS
No.219354
No.219355
>>218574
look up the helium method
No.219364
>>218483
Everybody stop. Look at her painting. Look how low she's holding the brush. She can't have any control of what she's doing. Those Ultramarines are going to look like they were painted by someone with Parkinson's having a seizure.
No.219373
>>219036
So, instead of adressing or attempting to counter my argument, you just responded with
>>>/cuckchan/
What were you accusing me of, again?
>>219162
>/pol/ is /pol/
>/v/ is also /pol/
>therefore /tg/ is /pol/
lolwut
No.219415
>>219036
>>219162
>/pol/ is the core of 8chan, it's the heart and soul that keeps the rest moving
Actually, no. /pol/ is a laughing stock. It has heavily influenced the site, sure, but especially the smaller boards tend to hate it with a passion.
I was a regular on /pol/, for a long time. Then I stopped posting there, because all I ever got to hear was "cuck" and "degenerate". You don't want to pay for transsexuals mutilating their genitals, but you also don't want to kill them? Fuck off, le cuck! And so I did fuck off, along with a bunch of other users. We happily created our own political boards, many of whom are members of the >>>/ubf/, and never looked back, no matter how often /pol/acks advertised their shitty board.
No.219424
YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.
>>219162
Nigger what
I will never understand the "God Emperor" Trump meme 40k is far from the perfect right wing setting.
No.219434
>>219424
Actually, it is. When you're in a state of constant war political luxury (leftism) isn't very appealing to any party that are or were human.
>>219415
/tg/ isn't /pol/ and /tg/ was made to talk about /tg/ shit. /pol/ should stay on /pol/. However, /pol/ has a massive influence on every board and users of it are bound to linger around other boards. Smaller boards hate it because:
a. they branched off from /pol/ because of different of a different ideology or
b. /pol/ tends to bring politics everywhere they go.
Your inability to not want to be around users with different opinions is a show of how thin your skin is.
Sage for off-topic.
No.219436
>>219162
>/pol/ is the core of 8chan
No.219460
>>219373
I didn't realise being triggered by others highlighting tokenism in advertising constituted an argument.
I guess posting:
>>>/pol/
…IS an argument, in your mind. So I am content in replying with:
>>>/leftypol/
>>>/cuteboys/
>>>/oven/
>>>/jidf/
>>>/cuckchan/
If you can do more than cry about your safe space, get back to me.
>>219415
>pol is a laughing stock
>it has heavily influenced the site, including /tg/
>including /tg/
>/tg/ is a laughing stock
you're killing me, stop.
Didn't we leave halfchan to get away from the sjw shit on their /tg/?
I don't care if you're not /pol/, but /pol/ is not the enemy here. You can like /pol/ and agree with /pol/ and still be a fa/tg/uy. There's loads of interboard overlap.
So can we notice that they're using a nigger in their advertising for GW without having to deal with some triggered faggot who thinks he can dictate the acceptable discourse?
>/ubf/
kek, nice dead board you got there.
No.219470
>>219436
>>219162
/pol/ is at the center of chan culture these days, yes, but /tg/ is an older breed of community that doesn't depend on the rest of chandom to sustain itself. Crossposting politics is frowned upon here, this is a largely a-political environment. People come here to remove themselves from you and everyone else's motive driven bickering.
>>219424
/pol/ isn't right ring. The whole binary spectrum doesn't apply. The best U.S. party to describe their motives would be the Bull Moose party of Theodore Roosevelt. They are not Republicans, they are civic/nationalist fascists. 40k is in many ways the logical conclusion of /pol/lack policy, and they fucking love it.
>>219436
He isn't wrong. Historically speaking they got the GG ball rolling, and now occasionally eclipse /v/ in numbers. That and the government interest in them lately, it's like /b/ when Fox news did it's infamous piece on anonymous.
Mind you this is summarizing an incredibly diverse conglomerate, from /brit/pol to the Ecuadorian nationalist party and Cambodian shitposters it is hard to paint a consistent picture of /pol/, as it should be. Trump has become a unifying force of late tho, triumphalism tends to do that. For instance a subset is messing around in the occult, they have revived the twin Egyptian gods Heh and Kek.
It makes more sense to treat /pol/ like another chan than another board.
No.219471
>>219460
>I don't care if you're not /pol/, but /pol/ is not the enemy here.
Yes it is, anybody that tries to force their agendas on my hobbies its an enemy.
No.219472
>>219470
Damn mobile fuckery, sage disappeared and a reply got added. Apologies.
No.219482
>>219460
Dickhead, the argument was that there are already women and minorities in GW fluff and have been for ages so it's not an alien concept. Since you seem to be unable to look past the librul strawman you've been gleefully hacking away at, allow me to re-iterate; I DON'T GIVE A SHIT EITHER WAY. I'm just laughing at the poor souls in here (that'd be you, champ) who look at an advert, visualise a black kid and a girl in a FLGS and have a panic attack.
By the way, I'm not dictating any discourse, I'm calling you a cunt. There is a difference.
>b-b-but they're using a nigger in their ad!
You truly are lost.
Now, try and come back with an actual counterpoint instead of just lobbing >>>/cuckchan/ and the term 'safe space' at me. Maybe trry blaming the Jews, I know the thought's occurred to you.
No.219483
>>219482
Always a nigger and a white girl.
No.219487
>>219482
You DO realise that there is a long tradition of disgusting PC cuckery and tokenism in advertisement, that is often, as in this case, worlds removed from reality?
What the fuck is the problem of pointing that out?
Talk about being easily triggered.
No.219489
>>219487
Point out whatever you wish. I reserve the right to mock you for it. You're the one getting triggered by 'disgusting PC cuckery'
If this relatively minor gesture expands GW customer base a little to save it from death, then surely it's worth it?
why the fuck does it matter anyway, it's just an advertisement for crying out loud
No.219490
>>219487
>gets massivly butthurt about negligible things
>calls others easy to trigger
/pol/ fuck off, you're not cute or smart but faggy as fuck.
No.219495
>>219489
>>219490
I'm neither /pol/ nor the one posted anything about this earlier, but your rabid responses and shouting about the /pol/ bogeyman just seems ridiculous.
And really, when was the last time you saw a black guy playing 40k? Or a girl? Even beyond the /pol/ crying of degenerate, anyone should be able to see how unfathomably unrepresentative such an ad is for the hobby. But apparently them out for going for their obvious PC LOL INCLUSIVE approach is racist or something right?
No.219498
>>219495
>PC LOL INCLUSIVE approach is racist or something right?
>I'm neither /pol/
Ok lol
No.219499
>>219498
If you got out of /leftypol/ a little bit, you might have noticed that not only /pol/ are noticing shit like that.
No.219501
>>219495
Actually, the occasional girl does come into my FLGS. It's far from common but it does happen. Never seen a black guy in there, though.
That's actually my point. The fact is that the ad campaign is 'aimed at newcomers to the hobby… GW looks to be trying to widen the appeal of thier customerbase'.
If expanding their customerbase is what they want, why shouldn't they advertise to people who don't play (i.e. black guys and girls)?
Then of course along comes /pol/, takes one look at an ad without muh glorious aryans and cries 'disgusting PC cuckery'. It's partly funny, but mostly just tiresome.
Take away agendas and you see this for what it is; a practical marketing strategy by GW to save them from going under. Why do both sides have to read into everything so fucking much?
No.219504
>>219499
>I'm not /pol/ even though I repeat the same tired mantra
>You're /leftypol/ for calling me out on being a faggot
I love how desperate you guys get with trying to slander the people who call you out on your shit.
No.219507
>>219504
Weirdly similar to SJWs, isn't it?
No.219509
>>219507
I never thought about that, but now that you mention it they do seem awfully similar.
No.219510
>>219501
Because that's their hobby.
>>218726
>dailygeekette article
So I sat down and read that. Don't mind her calling out a tool or two, and I see she cared enough to paint her stuff. Do mind going in with the agenda, making inane assumptions/questions while also talking about research, and definitely the preaching at the end. If I wanted to be preached at, it'd be by someone properly ordained, not a damned self-appointed commissar with a blog.
No.219515
All of you faggots should just drink a gallon of bleach instead of fucking /tg/ up with your shit.
Create your own fucking board for this garbage, go there and stop shitting up this board. Or preferably kill yourself.
No.219519
>>219482
that is a tremendous amount of butthurt for me just pointing out that not everyone aligns with your social justice cult.
Aren't you just a bit too angry?
the point stands, /pol/ has a place on /tg/ and on 8chan in general. You can disagree with /pol/, but it's not going to go away.
Now take your lumps and stop being such a massively triggered la-la gaylord fairyman,.
>>219487
you've got to realise that the strategy they take is an attempt to make certain topics or certain realities impossible to discuss.
this is what the use of >>>/pol/ is meant to achieve. That we noticed that there is a nigger in an advertisement for a hobby that is enjoyed almost entirely by white males is not something that this retard can deal with intellectually. So it becomes a matter of trying to get the boogeyman, embodied by /pol/, to go away; to prevent him having to face a reality he can't deal with.
It's why I forced the issue. I remember before the exodus there was a load of this shit on halfchan. And we all saw how that turned out.
No.219531
>>219519
You just don't get it, do you?
GW is losing customers. GW has to appeal to new customers. Those customers may be black or female. That's not capitulating to SJ crap, that's trying to save the fucking hobby from going under.
>Aren't you just a bit too angry? the point stands
Me being angry at you trying to force your ideology on my hobby does not make you right. Good try, though.
>/pol/ has a place on /tg/
I'd say all the voices in this thread telling you to jump up your own arse and die say otherwise.
>You can disagree with /pol/, but it's not going to go away
I do disagree with /pol/. /pol/, however, can do whatever the fuck it wants as long as it leaves me and my hobby alone.
>massively triggered la-la gaylord fairyman
What are you, 12?
>certain topics or certain realities impossible to discuss
What exactly am I making impossible for you to discuss by disagreeing with you?
>That we noticed that there is a nigger in an advertisement for a hobby that is enjoyed almost entirely by white males
Again, you missed the fucking point. GW is reaching out in order to stop themselves dying. That's not my fault, that's not your fault, it's a business decision on their part.
> I remember before the exodus there was a load of this shit on halfchan
Well aren't you the oldest of oldfags. Please regale us with more of what your big brother told you about halfchan.
Seriously, though. >>>/pol/
Maybe you can buy yourself a rope on the way back.
No.219537
I think you faggots forgot this is about Warhammer $40k
No.219539
>>219531
>s-s-stop forcing your ideologies on me!
>disagree with /pol/
>impact font memes
i want sjwbabbies to leave
No.219542
>>219539
I don't know what to tell you, faggot. You clearly didn't read anything.
No.219545
>>219542
you could tell me to go back to /pol/, that seems to have worked for you so far :^)
No.219549
>>219545
You, my smug anime friend, can fuck off up >>>/pol/ way. At least the other guy was trying.
No.219550
>>219537
That they did. Not sure how we can save this thread, though.
No.219553
>>219539
So if i dont buy your whole reverse-sjws shit (read:/pol/) im a sjw?
How about you stop trying to force your shit on my traditional games board?
No.219554
>>219501
How is it in any way practical marketing strategy? You can't just sell a product to a demographics that is entirely removed from the intended target group simply by putting some of that demographic in the ads.
How about putting up a ad with a 70 year old granny driving a sports car or having a burly bodybuilder bro with lipstick to sell makeup? It might have an effect because of the joke value of the obviously disconnected imagery, but you wouldn't have any increase in sales to those demographics.
If GW wants to change the demographics, they have to change the product, not just put up some cheapshot ad like this. All this does is make the target audience raise their brows, if not out of smelling PC shilling, then at least out of how absurd the ad is.
No.219556
>>219553
>post le hipster man man saying there is no such thing as reverse SJWs
No.219557
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No.219559
>>219557
I fucking called it
No.219560
>>219554
Oh, I totally agree that they need to change the product. But I don't think a black kid or a girl and 40k is really the same thing as your other examples. There probably isn't enough general public awareness of 40k as anything other than general nerd shit, which as a wider thing the demographics are somewhat more open to.
>>219557
That's nice, dear.
No.219569
>>219557
>tumblr filename
Ayy lmao.
No.219571
>>219557
>Theres only /pol/ and sjws!
>We are the fa/tg/uys! if you dont agree with me youre a sjw!
>Dont ask me if i actually play 40k, i dont need to play it!
I for one, welcome new players, as long as they dont cheese it and arent assholes then that just means more people to play with.
No.219574
>>219560
General nerd shit, sure. Kids watch Star Wars and might want to buy some X-wing miniatures for some nice fast tabletop fun.
But this isn't Star Wars. It's a ridiculously violent and macho grimdark setting chock-full of "problematic" shit that would never fly with the current mainstream PC cuck culture. AND it requires painting and assembly too. If the rules are something super simplified like AoS, it might work mechanically, but that's assuming you manage to get the kids to buy into the modelling aspect as well as the macabre setting.
I honestly can't see how this is going to work at all, seeing how 40k inherently does not appeal to the mainstream culture, no matter how hard they try to plaster "diverse" people onto the ads. And at the very least they'd be better served with a much smaller scale skirmish game with prepainted miniatures or some shit.
>>219553
So discussing anything that you can construct into being /pol/ is "forcing shit", while howling in rage and shouting at people to gb2 /pol/ for saying something you disagree with, is not? Try to be consistent.
No.219581
>>219574
Plenty of kids already play 40k and AoS, even if they aren't as invested in the setting. While I'd rather play against fa/tg/uys who know the lore and are properly familiar with the game, they aren't that bad and they bleed their parents dry for more models which in turn keeps my FLGS going. While I admit this is partly based on anecdotal evidence, it does demonstrate that some kids do have an appetite for grimdark which can be cultivated into sales for GW. What this ad campaign is trying to do is open that up to a wider audience.
Even if only 10% of them are interested enough to immerse themselves in the lore, practice building and painting and really take to the hobby, it'll be worth it.
Remember, they don't need to appeal to mainstream PC culture. They just need to appeal to more nerds. Their hand has been forced to look for those nerds within demographics. I think it may pay off.
No.219586
>>219581
You do have a point I recently got my cousin into 40k though books and his mother just told me "Wow anon I dont know what you did but he is reading like crazy now" Ghaunts Ghosts has big normal fag potential if they tried to make a movie/TV show
No.219594
>>219581
Sure, plenty of kids do. Plenty of geeky white boys.
Granted, I've no idea about black people in general, over here we've mostly got middle eastern and north african immigrants that keep to their own parallel societies well away from us kuffars, and far too many of them I've met have had a more or less open contempt for "white nerd" stuff, if not just anything white in general. But how many girls do you see hopping into this?
Honestly, this campaign would likely work better if they'd just been honest and put up two chubby white boys instead, and not pretend to think that they'd actually draw in new demographics with it.
It's just dishonest and looks like either desperate grasping for PC representation, or a complete lack of understanding of their own demographics. Of course, this being "No market research, not a game company" GW, I'd rather assume the latter, but it looks pretty damn dumb either way.
No.219596
>>219594
I know a couple girls who like 40k mostly for the eldar or Tyranids I dont know why but chicks dig bug races alot for some reason.
No.219600
>>219596
It's often been hypothesized that it's some sort of weird reflection of their innate maternal instincts.
No.219607
>>219600
If survey finds most of them have pregnancy fetishes, we have more evidence.
No.219612
>>219501
My girlfriend plays. So i see her all the time.
But it is uncommon to see others in there.
>>218926
Her 40k army is tyranids…
*terrible choice**
No.219616
>>219596
>>219600
>>219607
…
Though I haven't spoke with them in years, one of my friends who was into 40k got his girlfriend (now wife) into it as well. She played Tyranids.
No.219618
No.219619
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>>219600
/d/eviant here, can confirm. Whenever a grill (confirmed or otherwise) posts about their fetishes it's always one of the following:
>pregnancy/impregnation
>tentacle rape
>some BDSM variant (this includes shit like vore and mind control)
>ageplay (as simple as "good girl" all the way up to elaborate fantasy) seems especially popular
>a combination thereof (for example, tentacles + impregnation = oviposition)
It's actually kind of sad how little variety there is.
Pic related.
No.219620
>>219616
>tfw no girl who likes IG
The reason most told me why they like Eldar or Nids was because humans looked bland.
No.219625
>>219620
That because only us males are idiotic enough to like dying in droves while shooting big guns and having war feels with your brothers in arms.
War is a manly thing, girls dont find it interesting.
No.219627
>>219625
I liked The Iron Within.
No.219631
>>219625
>boys like boring and bland human soldiers who wannabe ww1
>girls like fucking SPACE BUGS who eat ENTIRE FUCKING PLANETS and fabulous space elves
I sure know which group have shit taste.
No.219632
>>219627
Do not even try, space marines do not give you the same feels as guardsmen.
Marines are killing machines in power armour.
Guardsmen are regular people facing the horrors of the galaxy with cheap equipment.
No.219633
>>219631
And whats wrong with humans?
Whats wrong with wanting to fight agains all kinds of horrible things with nothing but your mates, lasgun and faith in the emperor?
Wanting to be impregnated by a space bug its not superior to wanting to crew a stormblade with your friends.
No.219634
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>>219633
Personal tastes a girl liking scifi is out of the ordinary already
No.219635
>>219634
So?
I fail to see your point.
No.219639
>>219635
TO some people humanity is just boring yeah there tough mother fuckers but sometimes people just dont like balls of steel action.
Like others said Tyranids have this weird family mentality and eldar well there fucking elf magic shit.
No.219640
>>219639
All right, sure, but how is that superior to anything?
It pisses me off the fact that people are always with the "hurr humans are boring and bland".
No, i you cant forge your own interesting stories with humans, its not humanity's fault.
No.219641
>>219640
I dunno opinions I cant explain this shit since I love humans in any scifi just going off people told me why they hate human factions.
No.219642
>>219619
>All of that
Well, this indeed confirms Women are more than ready for Illithid Domination.
No.219643
>>219640
Well, really, all stories we make are based on humans one way or another. Stuff like Nids and other weird aliens might seem cool and unusual at first glance since they are so alien, but they always lack depth and substance, precisely because they are too alien.
So in the end, if you go out of your way to make something as inhuman and alien as possible, chances are that will end up being way more bland and boring than a simple story about humans.
No.219670
>>219531
>GW is losing customers.
Because of their crummy business strategy
>GW has to appeal to new customers.
They need to stop charging twenty dollarydoos for a middling-quality resin figure
>Those customers may be black or female.
They will also be polka-dotted unicorns what with them being only a fever dream of the marketing department
>That's not capitulating to SJ crap, that's trying to save the fucking hobby from going under.
>GW is the whole of the hobby
How much are they paying you?
No.219685
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>>219631
>shit talking the guys who are willing to go fight those space bugs and hyper-advanced elves with nothing but a laser and a prayer
Cry more faggot. Sorry the left nut of one guardsman has more testosterone than your whole body.
No.219737
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>>219483
Don't worry, friend. Look again and you'll realize he's actually a mullato, which makes it all almost okay.
No.219959
>>219531
Keep cyring dude, but we aren't leaving. I have seen this kinda appeasement all over on different sites and it always leads to the same end. Wanting to virtue signal to show how tolerant and progressive you are only attracts SJWs in droves. They will keep making more nad more demands. There are already a fuckload of them making demands already, as has been sourced in this thread.
But just because you keep ignoring these:
https://archive.is/bM0lM
https://dailygeekette.wordpress.com/2015/05/06/the-gender-gap-in-warhammer-40k-a-girls-struggle-to-battle-with-fabulous-eldar/
https://archive.is/KzJgx
http://fandomshatewomen.tumblr.com/post/82154987837/fighting-for-gender-equality-in-the-warhammer-40k
Does not mean it doesn't happen.
If you give these fuckers an inch they take a mile. Like how Abrams had said he wanted to make the new star wars as diverse as possible. In response they complained about the lack of Asians in the new star wars.
They will never be happy and only want more. Till its only stronk trans midget womyn of color.
No.219961
>>219959
Do you think a company like GW will suddenly change the lore when they havent done so in years.
No.219963
>>219961
Is that not totally what they did with "Age of Sigmar"?
No.219965
>>219961
If they feel they have no where else to go, and they get enough SJWs in the right places then yes. Like how key SJW bloggers now work at places like Marvel, DC, and Bioware.
Also what this guy said. >>219963
No.219966
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>>219963
>>219965
I think this is mostly a table top problem
GW COULD invest into good video games for once like DOW but they were scared video games can overtake the table top market
Look at DOW1 over a million copies sold is pretty impressive for an RTS
Recently most new 40k games are shit 2 shining beacons are battlefleet gothic and Deathwing
No.220000
>>219961
What the fuck are you talking about GW has never stopped messing with the lore
No.220028
>>219961
Yes. Do you think they give a fuck about the lore? The moment they come to the conclusion 40k needs to be more like AoS it's all gone and we get a game about primarchs on jetbikes fighting Khorne in the warp or some shit like that.
No.220038
>>219966
As retarded as that sounds, at times it does seem like they make 40k video games bad on purpose. I kinda understand they don't want a turn-based 40k game that's too much like the table top (we got Armageddon recently and it was very mediocre), but imagine 40k XCOM. Imagine a 40k grand strategy. Imagine a good 40k shooter. Imagine a 40k Titan game. Imagine a 40k RTS (battlefleet gothic is coming, but DoW 2 hardly counts and DoW 3 is nowhere to be seen). DoW 1 had 3 expansions, is one of the most popular RTS games in history and has an active modding scene to this day. It would be printing money.
Naaah let's license more mobile games and shit from obscure studios who make games with average score of 4,3/10. It's like if Marvel and DC sabotaged their superhero films to "protect" the comics.
No.220056
>>220038
The reason so many shitty mobile games exist isn't due to any conscious choice on GW's part; they've just been giving the license to anyone and everyone that asks for it, because the company is bleeding money and the influx from licenses makes their constant profit decrease appear less severe than it really is.
No.220078
>>220028
Luckily, AoS isn't making nearly enough money, and 40k is still the only real thing that keeps GW afloat. So unless they really screw up something soon and everyone drops it, they'd be suicidally stupid to butcher their sole remaining cash cow.
>>219961
Remember the Squats? The 13th dark crusade? The Spiritual liege? The Newcrons? The Squats and the 13 Dark Crusade over again? And then there's the new developments now with the spess woofs being bombed by the DA.
No.220186
>>219471
you do realize everything about that advert is agenda driven and political right?
No.220188
>>220038
>>220056
XCOM 2 is fully modable
Expect 40k conversion mod in the months to come
No.220189
>>220186
No, no it isnt anon, stop forcing your shit on /tg/, you have a whole /pol/ for that.
No.220197
>>220189
Screw off back to cuckchan newfag
No.220206
>>218683
I wouldn't mind if they simplified 40k by making it easier to understand for newbies, but keeping it's complexity. I also wouldn't mind AOS's version of codexes, where they just released them on their website for free.
No.220211
>>220188
I might even buy it then.
No.220290
>>220206
Free rules, yes, but "AOS version"? As in super shallow shit that hardly even works, full of dumb lolrandumb meme rules?
They should just take a cue out of Infinity and Mantic, and release quality rules for free online, and then maybe throw in fancy hardcover books with fluff and cheaper softcovers of the rules as well.
As for making it easier, it is pretty easy already. The only real problem is the assload of unit entries and special rules being spread out over the main rulebook, codexes, campaign supplements and whatnot.
They should just make something like unit reference cards that concisely details all the units' special rules so you don't have to flip through a ton of books and noobs can easier get a overview.
No.220302
>>220197
I do not come from half-chan, nor am i a newfag, now fuck off to your board and stop trying to turn our discusion about games to a /pol/ memefest.
No.220609
And it was just yesterday.
No.220633
>>218607
>Are we just jumping at shadows at the moment or are is there something going on here.
Jumping at shadows. Basically, the problem Games Workshop is trying to solve here is not that they want the praise of feminist overlords, but that the only valuable thing their company has is IP. They are basically devoid of actual talent at this stage. This is why they made a big deal out of smacking down anyone who might possibly infringe on their copyright even a little bit. It wasn't about preventing competition in tabletop gaming (although that was doubtless a happy side effect, WarmaHordes has proven that they don't really have anything to fear in that regard), it was about defending their copyright ridiculously zealously because it's all they have. And they stopped when some pro-bono lawyers finally smacked them around for their ludicrous games, and they realized that #1 they could, in fact, lose these cases, and #2 when they did, it made their copyrights weaker.
And their IP decreases in value as customers get older. The older their customers get, the harder it is to get fresh blood. If 40k is something that only octogenarians play, you're going to have a much harder time getting 12-year olds back into it than if it's something that people in their 20s and 30s do. And if 40k's tabletop audience withers away, their video game sales will take a hit from not having that core fanbase who gives them free advertising and a small core of guaranteed customers. The Dawn of War and Vermintide and so on games were good, but not "franchise that will stand the test of eternity" good. The video game market just doesn't care about 40k. The IP isn't that strong in video gaming and it's getting weaker every day, so the games have to be good on their own or else they lose money. And Games Workshop cannot consistently pick good studios to make their games, so they get lots of duds.
Fresh blood is the only thing that can save Games Workshop in the long run. Unfortunately for Games Workshop, they are stupid. They are stupid and do not know how to actually get fresh blood. It's a miniatures wargame. Girls will play it, sure, but they're going to be the girls who are entirely comfortable shopping in the blue aisle in the first place. If a girl is going to be turned away by the fact that there are no girls on the cover, she is undoubtedly going to be turned away by the fact that it's a game about space marines blowing each other the fuck up. Now, that's a relatively minor mis-step compared to some of the other mistakes they're making here, let alone the kind of shit they got up to with Age of Sigmar. Like, if you want kids or young teens to play your game, you need it to be playable during a lunch break at school. That means you need to be able to carry it in a 13-year old sized backpack and need to be able to get through setup and a complete game in about twenty minutes. Putting kids on the cover doesn't begin to solve the problem that 40k is a game that's nearly impossible to play until you're old enough to drive, because then you can put all your shit in the trunk and drive over to your friend's house and play a two-hour game and not have to negotiate carpooling with your parents to do it.
Now, they have simplified the rules. And it looks like the total amount of models included is lower, which is good. But if there's a way to do it anonymously, I will literally bet actual US dollars that the game still takes longer than 20 minutes on average. I wouldn't actually bet money that it's too big to be conveniently carried in a backpack that already contains pencils, a binder, and at least one textbook, but I wouldn't be surprised, either.
>>219600
The principle means by which women in the ancestral environment gained power was by having successful children. She'd be protected by a powerful man if she could find one, but the more powerful he is, the more likely she's sharing him with other women, and in any case her utility to him will expire once she passes 35. But the loyalty of sons (and daughters, who will influence other men) can be sustained indefinitely. Sons are repulsed by physical intimacy with their mothers, but will want emotional support from them forever. Contrary to the beliefs of shortsighted and myopic PUAs, a woman's path to power does not end with attaching herself to a powerful man, that is only a step on the path to having a pack of powerful sons who will kill on her command. And playing 'nids means that your sons are so numerous and so powerful that they can burn planets. It's basically the same kind of hyper-exaggeration of basic catharsis as space marines, but for women.
No.220646
>>220633
I'm also pretty certain the fact that you have to paint them is another misstep. Let's face it, how many kids are really interested in sitting still for hours to paint figures? As it stands, I bet there'll be a lot of unpainted starter sets up on ebay before long.
If they had made a starter set with prepainted models instead, and a small line of prepainted models as "stage 1", with these models+paint sets as stage 2 and the real game as stage 3, I imagine it would work a lot better.
No.220679
>>220633
And they actually think that they invented everything. Fucking renaming and all that shit. They genuinely believe that they invent all of that and they deserve money for everything. Such a life in 21 millennium where greedy people have lawyers to sue everyone for everything. It will not surprise if they rename warp into warpus, space into spess, FTL into astro-engine. Because they will own this wholly! And they will sue everyone who use terms FTL because they will pretend that they invented them and they was stolen from them.
>>220646
Nothing stops them from releasing it too. And I dont know about normal children but I liked gluing and painting models.
No.220680
>>220679
They just stole it all from a fucking Rush song!
No.220683
>>220646
To think Rackham died from being too progressive too early. I still remember when they rolled out that pre-painted shit. That was a death knell for Confrontation. Didn't do AT-43 any favors either.
No.220685
>>220683
Ignore the sage, saged all fields in another thread, the name stuck around.
No.220710
>oh many Warhammer 40K is really cool!
>I'm gonna go on the internet and look up cool stuff about it!
>kids find wiki pages on Slaanesh
>all the 34
>all the one titted crab claw women
>childhood over
Seems like a fantastic idea.
No.220711
>>220710
It's not the fact that war and the consumption of life has become routine.
Not the Dark Eldar kidnapping people to torture them in the most horrifying ways to extend their own twisted lives.
Never mind the body horror of servitors, arco-flagellants and other abominations of Imperial cybernetics.
It's okay that there's a Chaos god dedicated to rage and slaughter that wants to see everyone and everything hacked into bloody pieces, so too is it okay that there's another god of death and disease whose models have ruptured bellies with intestines spilling out.
The real concern is that there are some daemons with boobs. Parents, hide your kids.
No.220714
>>220711
Out of interest, if Khorne is also the god of honour and challenged you to a duel and you refused would he just say "fuck it then" and move on? It's not honourable to attack an opponent that has no intention to fight back.
No.220716
>>220714
No.
Just imagine this happening for an entire attack. An army of Khornate daemons charging towards an enemy force, then they just put down their weapons and announce over a loudspeaker "We have no intention of fighting."
You think Khorne would order his daemons to halt the attack and save themselves only for an honourable exchange?
No.220718
>>220716
You're not a very good god of strength and honour if you let your soldiers murder defenceless innocents.
No.220719
>>220718
You're presuming too much of Khorne.
No.220733
>>220718
He is okay with murder as long as its required. For example if they were in a way. He dont care. But if you start killing weakfags just because they dont fight back he might send his hounds to fuck you up.
No.220786
>>220716
He's also the god of bloodshed and slaughter. Always good to have all your bases covered, huh.
No.220833
>>220646
>how many kids are really interested in sitting still for hours to paint figures?
Man did you konk your head and forget being a kid? Kids love paint like they love having a stream deep enough to drown in and a big pile of rocks. Sure they probably won't sit down for hours and get out a professional quality paintjob but they'll love making the blue blob company of the ultramarines.
No.220918
>>220733
>>220718
Khorne doesn't care if people kill innocents as long as they don't treat it like it's an accomplishment. To Khorne fighting prowess and honor among warriors is key. He doesn't care about civilians, they are just spoiles for the victors to do with as they please.
When Abbadon slaughtered 10 million innocent imperial civilians during the 5th black crusade just to summon Doombreed for a little chat did Khorne bat an eyelash? No. Because that's what non-warriors are for. They're resources to work foundries, to do menial labor, to be slaughtered en mass to create warp rifts.
One of the things people misunderstand about Khorne isn't a god of honor. He's a god of warriors. Honorable conduct between WARRIORS of SIMILAR STANDING, emphasis mine, is a cornerstone of being Khornate. Acting against an equal opponent without honor is a sign of weakness and cowardice, things Khorne hates. Acting against a lesser warrior without concern for honor is the same as acting against a civilian without honor, what does it matter? In fact going out of your way to act honorable to lesser warriors probably runs the same risk of upsetting Khorne as curbstomping a baby and making an offering of it. By honoring an opponent you're elevating him, accepting a challenge from someone who you can easily beat you're putting the fight on a pedestal befitting Khorne's gaze. Do you really think Khornate champion is going to trip over himself thinking about what Khorne would want if every single Imperial guardsman on an entire planet got in a single file line and one by one challenged him to a duel? No he'd slaughter the who lot because they aren't worthy of honor. Being ballsy does not equal being a dedicated warrior. Khorne is a god of warriors.
No.220979
>>220186
You reading too far into it doesn't make it political. Having actually been a model most of my life, I can tell you that casting for ads is never "we want one cute black boy and one cute white girl" unless they are basing the advertisement entirely around it (baby's first anti-rape kit?). Chances are it was an open call put out to several agencies requesting kids 8-12, either not specifying race/descriptions or specifically stating "Boy, 8-12, any/all races".
You can find conspiracy and politics in anything, see illuminatifags, that doesn't make everything inherently political.
No.220983
>>220833
>Kids love paint like they love having a stream deep enough to drown in and a big pile of rocks.
Dont forget boxes to turn into castles/planes/cars/buildings/arenas/starships/armour, do not forget the boxes.
No.220984
>>220979
Not to go full conspiratard, but isn't there some whacky law about representing minorities in products in one of the EU member states? Sweden I think. Where if there's more than one subject on an ad or product they need to be of different gender/ethnicity? Nothing in marketing is per chance.
No.220986
>>220984
Can't say I rightly know, I've only ever worked in Clapistan.
No.221203
/v/ here, dont give /pol/ an inch. We are pushing them bth out so can you.
No.221209
>>221203
>screencap with no date, post number or any relevant information
Into the trash it goes.
>don't give /pol/ an inch
You take imageboards far too seriously. Are you the one of the people that get's bothered when you get called a fag for liking traps on /v/?
No.226196
>>220833
> Kids love paint like they love having a stream deep enough to drown in and a big pile of rocks.
> they'll love making the blue blob company of the ultramarines.
This… explains a lot.
No.226199
>>218684
>Anything to fuck up my dream of buying a SoB army for less than the cost of a house, eh?
I share your pain brother - but you just know that if GeeDubs confirmed the dream of a new sisters army (with the codex written by someone who cares about them) then your canoness would be pic related.
No.226511
>>218483
The Daemonculaba process began by rounding up some human females as slaves. Once corralled, they were shackled naked within iron cages and force-fed nutrients causing their bodies to widen and bloat to unfathomably grotesque proportions, which probably wouldn't have even been possible were they not in the Eye of Terror. Next, heretks called the Savage Morticans (Genetors of the Adeptus Mechanicus corrupted by Chaos) utilized surgical and chemical techniques as well as Chaos magic to radically alter the slaves' insides and embed them with stolen gene-seed, thus completing the process of turning these women into what were the Daemonculaba. These 'birthing-wombs' thus readied, an adolescent human male was then sealed within – by performing what was essentially a 'reverse c-section.'
Days later, the candidate is reborn – without any skin. Provided they weren't already dead, the candidate was then inspected to see if he had the physical match and worth to be a Chaos Space Marine.
While this production method could provide Honsou's Iron Warriors with a great recruitment rate, it had side-effects like acute death and horrible mutations while still developing within the womb.
If he was found to be an unsuitable candidate, his corpse or the still living candidate was literally flushed down the sewers to die in the barren wastelands surrounding the fortress laboratories, provided that he actually survived long enough to get to that point. Occasionally though, the rejected creatures survived being cast out and many of these banded together as huge, monstrous scavenger-hunters known as the Unfleshed (who happened to worship the Emperor and built an effigy of him).
However, if the candidate passed the inspection, skin would be cross-stitched onto its body and its new life as a Chaos Space Marine would begin. The skin was harvested from the flayed bodies of human slaves; whose flesh had been painfully stretched to vast proportions before being removed while they were still alive to accommodate the demands for large amounts of skin.
While this system mostly utilized loyalist gene-seed, it could also use genetic material extracted from "recycled" Iron Warrior corpses, which would then be implanted within the Daemonculaba.
As for the Daemonculaba themselves, if they survived the birthing process, the cycle would days later begin anew, with them again being used as surrogate birthing-wombs…
And that gentlemen are how Iron Warriors are made.
Any questions?
No.226512
>>226511
Let me answer your first no this isn't some /d/ guro fan fict.
Yes it's canon and actually referenced in two different books, from two series the Ultramarine series of books and the Iron Warriors series, by Graham McNeill no less.
No.226529
>>226511
How the hell did the Unfleshed even know what the Emperor is? Or how that goes unnoticed on a Daemon World?
No.226531
>>226511
1.) Nothing about Chaos is safe for children
2.) Why didn't they just grow skin and wombs using cloning techniques
No.226536
>>226529
Did you forget the part where it mentions they put a captive in that thing?
captive survives, but is rejected and is put into the pits, prays to emps for salvation/mercy, sets up hidden sewer shrine and anything else that comes down into the sewers is taken into the fold, whether they be captive to unfleshed, gene-seed or recycled chaos marine bits.
No.226538
>>226531
This mostly, it's pretty embarassing if the skin harvestign techniques they have are only those of the first skin grafts used back in world war 2, with the stretching technique, and are not harvesting skin from corpses also.
No.226543
>>226536
He meant how do they know about Emps in the first place.
No.226546
>>226543
Slaves from raiding parties instead of born and raised in hell.
Also warp related god stuff… the same way you end up having a chaos cult on a shrine world. Divine revelation, divine inspiration, etc…
>>226531
Why bother when you have slaves to go around…
Cloning tech in 40k is rare (the accurate term is "inconsistent").
Also if you mutate slaves, extend their skin, then take it and leave them alive… they will grow new skin. It's cattle like.
No.226547
>>226546
Oh and geneseed related stuff give you a connection to the Emp too (since they used mostly loyalist geneseed).
No.226549
>>226546
>Cloning tech in 40k is rare (the accurate term is "inconsistent").
common enough that the adeptus mechanicus can use clones to make servitors.
>Also if you mutate slaves, extend their skin, then take it and leave them alive… they will grow new skin. It's cattle like.
It's also inefficient, since you now need to somehow keep said slave alive.
No.226551
>>226543
And I told him, because they are captives and slaves taken from whatever world they were on, so clearly some of them have got to be imperial citizens
No.226605
>>226549
>common enough that the adeptus mechanicus can use clones to make servitors.
Which is why I said inconsistent, in some version of the lore it's forbidden tech, in some it's common, in some it's lost tech…
For example the Death Korps of Krieg are supposed to be cloning/in vitro made humans, but it's specified that they got a special dispense from the AdMech because the Biologis consider the technique extremely dangerous.
Then you have the top 5 famous instance of cloning:
1st one is Corvus with is horribly mutated raptors
2nd one is the Emperor children with Horus… Which ended with the Black Legion purging them, for frankly dubious reasons!
3rd one is the mass producing of geneseed leading to the 21st Founding (cursed one).
4th one is the creation of the Bloodfiends (worst blood angels mutants).
5th one is the "Afriel Strain" guardsmen regiments made up of clone of imperium heroes (which are disposable regiments, because while they work at first they all have terrible luck always leading to their rapid destruction).
It's pretty consistent cloning = bad.
You could put the DKoK too on the list (suicidal, rumored to have deformity which is why they never take off their masks, etc…).
Then you have the servitors and the various cyborgs which some say are just criminals/pious or just vat grown (which would implies the cloning/in vitro thing again but given how common those are it would be a very common process).
Then the Culexus assassin and the sisters of silence which are supposedly also artificial humans since they need the pariah gene. There is also some cloning shenanigan in the navis nobilite.
Then it's said was said that in 30k many soldiers and marines where clone but that it changed after the revelation of chaos because longer indoctrination/training was better. (So a case of "possible in 30k not in 40k").
So yeah… AFAICT cloning in 40k is very inconsistent.
It goes from so heretek even CSM don't like it, to doable but always yield shitty results, to perfectly common everyday practice.
No.226616
>>226605
The Death Korps of Krieg current fluff says that the Cloning was a nasty rumor and they actually just use growth accelerants and such.
As of Talon of Horus, the purging of Fabius's cloning experiments was because Abaddon was trying to solidify his legitimacy and because Fabius was able to clone *all* the primarchs, which would've been stupid-bad for everyone involved.
The stuff that's Vat-Grown could also be natural births that were thrown into a growth-accelerating-vat.
One thing that hasn't been mentioned thus far though is how much bullshit the Dark Eldar could do with their tech as of the current fluff as they have the numbers to constantly raid places all over the galaxy because they have perfected cloning processes.
Necrons in current fluff could also do some of the same stuff.
Thus the question - Why aren't they just cloning primarchs or similar absurd walking bio-weapons as well?
No.226647
>tfw you are well beyond giving a fuck about any new GW editions.
You guys are never gonna get better than what the game was like at 4th edition. Just give it up and play the edition you like best.
No.226674
>>226551
Well you only answered the first question, but you failed to answer the second one adequately. It's a Daemon World in the warp Daemons can sense that shit can't they?
No.226689
>>226616
Clones have shit luck. Zuvassin seems to have a boner for them. Even if a primarch were to be cloned, deus ex machina would wipe them from existence pretty quickly.
Like "but the mechanicus said the asteroid would miss the facility completely!" level shit happens. If you want to look at it in a warpish way, transhumanism discussion always gets uneasy when the question of clones comes up. This builds up from the time of the idea's inception to the first clone. This uneasiness manifests in the warp around the nascent soul.
No.227003
>>226605
Cloning marines is probably rather different from normal cloning though, which would explain how it usually turns out poorly. After all, you can't just use normal cloning procedures, or you'd just end up with a clone of the original human without the marine stuff. And that's assuming the original human DNA is even intact.
Also, the Navis nobilite is a strain of bio-engineered mutants from the start, don't know about them using any cloning though.
As far as I recall for DKoK, they just used some cloning to supplement their numbers in addition to the vats and assembly-line approach to impregnation.
No.227193
bell of lost cancer commenters
No.227194
>>227193
>make the models cheaper for minority's
W E W
No.227195
>>227194
http://archive.is/Xv94r
link to the damn page it gets worst but there are some sane comments
No.227208
>>227194
>be white
>shave my head, draw a thin pencil mustache under my nose, wear a BLM shirt and put on black makeup
>go to GW store
>claim a minority discount since I identify as a transnigger
>or just rob them since I am black anyway
I can see that working.
No.227212
>>227193
>>227208
Hey GW, can we get some cheaper shit? Clearly we are people of color with a long history of oppression so we deserve special treatment!
No.227218
>>218602
THey would never do that considering how badly it destroyed sales with fantasy, would they?
No.227234
>>226616
>As of Talon of Horus, the purging of Fabius's cloning experiments was because Abaddon was trying to solidify his legitimacy and because Fabius was able to clone *all* the primarchs, which would've been stupid-bad for everyone involved.
Which no matter how I still can't wrap my mind around how is this bad for Chaos? Making Primarch clones by heretics means having the means to corrupt all of them/swap them/make a shit lot of uber powerful chaos lords…
While the Harmless is somehow justified he should have been told to fuck off by -at least- Tzeentch if not all the gods.
The way I see it is that you have a conflict with the old lore, from the 80's where DNA manipulation where far Sci-Fi, with modern biology.
Today in vitro reproduction is perfectly common, artificial womb is a thing in R&D for which prototype do exist and any university biology department worth it's salt has a DNA printer…
Sure w40k tech got shitty but it's still sci-fi, it doesn't really make sense that they don't have tech we have now.
Growing organs or skin, etc… Is something perfectly doable right now. GMO is something also common and gene therapy is starting to be a very real thing.
But since so much of the lore is based on "magic DNA" they can't really say "oh yeah cloning works" because well why the hell aren't they cloning primarchs. Or if not primarchs, Space marines.
Or if not space marines at least some bad-ass regular humans.
But that throws a serious balance problems into the thing.
So that's quite a pickle, which explains why the sane thing to do is stay the fuck away as possible with anything related.
No.227235
>>227234
Growing a person a new organ based off their own dna is a lot easier then creating a superhuman by influencing their genes directly. Plus who knows if standard cloning would work on a primarch? The novels made it seem like the whole thing was held together with paperclips and rubber bands
No.227256
>>227234
You can't just clone a marine though. Marines are made with extensive modification and surgical implants into a regular human. Even if the treatment does manipulate their regular human DNA, it certainly wouldn't reflect all the implanted organs and stuff that they get.
What they could, and really should do though, is cloning or otherwise using genetic manipulation and eugenics to mass produce recruits that they know will have a maximum chance to survive the marine creation process.
No.227284
>>218705
Oh fuck it's starting here too isn't it? I started playing tabletop to avoid the pc shit from in vidya
No.227308
>>219549
>continuing this retarded argument
>unironically linking to /pol/
No.227377
>>221203
>pushing /pol/ out
I'm first exodus and I can tell you with absolute certainty that /pol/ was always there
No.227585
>>226511
Yeah, where's the HD video of this process? I'm a visual learner.
No.227659
>>227234
> Which no matter how I still can't wrap my mind around how is this bad for Chaos?
Say I'm Warmaster Dickheart, leader of a badass warband, who got where he is by being the biggest, toughest, back-stabbiest fucker in the legion. If somebody manages to clone the primarchs and they get out, they're going to become a serious threat to my power. The first thing they'll want to do is kill me and usurp control of my forces, and by their own inherent superiority, they'll probably succeed. So fuck that noise, this cloning business has to stop.
"But if the Chaos gods are capable of stealing the original primarchs away from the Emperor, why can't they keep Dickheart from interfereing in Fabius' experiments? Or why can't they create the clones themselves?"
Because shhh, Chaos works in mysterious ways.
No.227683
>>227308
>Replying to a post from over a month ago for 'continuing this retarded argument'
No.227691
>>226531
>cloning exists
Why don't they just clone space marines? Or the emperor?
No.227697
>>227691
see >>227256
And the Emperor is what he is because he is a fusion of the souls of tons of ancient shamans. You wouldn't get to replicate that by cloning him.
No.227719
>>227683
Fuck, I keep forgetting how slow /tg/ is, I need to start checking dates
No.228295
>>227659
Yeah but that's what I said Abaddon has a reason, a purely selfish one.
Which is why he should be told to fuck off by the chaos gods (roughly like what happened to Magnus after the whole rubrik marines thing).
It doesn't happens because that's a lore can of worms.
The whole thing is a pretext to explain "The Emp killed Horus, for good, yeah sure chaos tried to resurrect him any way they could, but even that failed".
>What they could, and really should do though, is cloning or otherwise using genetic manipulation and eugenics to mass produce recruits that they know will have a maximum chance to survive the marine creation process.
Some of the lore said that about 30k era space marines. But that they stopped because somehow they were heresy prone.