[ home / board list / faq / random / create / bans / search / manage / irc ] [ ]

/tg/ - Traditional Games

Roll a Fortitude save versus Cancer

Catalog

Name
Email
Subject
Comment *
File
* = required field[▶ Show post options & limits]
Confused? See the FAQ.
Embed
(replaces files and can be used instead)
Oekaki
Show oekaki applet
(replaces files and can be used instead)
Options
dicesidesmodifier
Password (For file and post deletion.)

Allowed file types:jpg, jpeg, gif, png, webm, mp4, pdf
Max filesize is 8 MB.
Max image dimensions are 10000 x 10000.
You may upload 5 per post.


/tg/ sister boards
[ • /dir//qu//cyoa//erp//monster//his//wh40k//arda/ •]

File: 1457075585319-0.jpeg (25.66 KB, 400x400, 1:1, Jackie Lee 1.jpeg)

File: 1457075585320-1.jpg (131.25 KB, 620x457, 620:457, Jackie Lee 2.jpg)

 No.223401

In the last episode we talked about spoiler, leaks, and WotC playing favourites. This time we're going to review some different stuff, but the theme of WotC playing favourites will carry on throughout the material.

Women in Magic

It's no secret that "geek" shit like traditional games and comic books have been invaded by feminists and liberals in the last ten years, but Magic's cuckoldry has been especially severe. As early as 2012, Patrick "Scarface" Chapin wrote about women in Magic - specifically, a trend he noticed at the time where a handful of women had made it to the top 8s of GP-level events. You can find the article here: http://archive.is/RaRFI

The article is full of the standard feminist shit - stretching numbers, casting all men as rapist neanderthals, usual motte-and-bailey doctrine. But what's really interesting is the woman Chapin spends so much of his time talking about: Jackie Lee. He talks about her performance at GP Baltimore, where she piloted GR aggro to a 3rd place finish - specifically, he mentions that some mistakes she made were treated a lot more harshly than mistakes he and Paulo Vitor Damo Da Rosa made on camera in that same tournament, simply because she's a woman. After watching half the match myself (not going to put myself through the whole thing - if you thought Wizards' coverage was bad these days, imagine it in 360p at 23fps), I have concluded that this statement is either complete bullshit or a big misrepresentation on Chapin's part. The commentators are completely ideal for Wizards coverage: bland, unfunny, stuttering, and neither has anything to say about the players or their history. One thing Lee did do was be a humourless bitch the few times her opponent tried to crack a joke, but who gives a fuck as long as she's STRONK and EMPOWERED, right?

But wait, there's more. Less than a year after Chapin tirelessly argues in this woman's defence (while at the same time referring to her sex as an obstacle she had to overcome, which somehow isn't misogyny), Lee gets DQ'd from Pro Tour Return to Ravnica. We get this little gem Lee wrote about her experience for TCGPlayer: http://archive.is/xGOJO

>lee puts together a sick draft deck, you go girl!

>wins game 1, keeps a sketchy hand in game 2

>relies on Frostburn Weird for defence, but it gets enchanted by a Stab Wound

>opponent passes to her and writes down the 2 life she loses, but according to Jackie he doesn't say anything

>due to a recent rules change which allows triggers to be missed, she thinks his lack of verbalization counts as him missing the trigger

>even though he wrote down the effects of the trigger

>this happens once more, and then she gets hit by Desecration Demon and they call a judge over to sort out the discrepancy in life totals

>>“Did you see the opponent write down the life total change?” he asked me.

>>“Yes,” I said slowly. I knew this wasn't what the judge wanted to hear, but it was the truth.

>>“Are you aware of the rule that when you notice a life total discrepancy, you must call a judge?”

>>“Yes…” My answer came even more slowly as I tried to recall the new rule. I felt a game loss coming on, but still didn't quite understand how it was my fault for being honest and observant. After all, the rules are intended to protect people who are honest, and the new trigger rules are supposed to reward you for being more observant and meticulous than your opponent.

>>After all, the rules are intended to protect people who are honest

>>protect people who are honest

Lee now works at Wizards as an Associate Game Designer.

Her Twitter isn't very active, but it did give me this photo of her face with some truly horrible . . . tattoos? I think? I would love to do commentary of this entire article because even after Lee has her own soapbox to spin everything on, she STILL can't defend herself, but the best thing is just to read it yourself. I honestly can't make this shit up. Anyway, stay tuned for the next episode chronicling the downfall of everyone's favourite TCG. We've got more feminism, Minecraft in Magic, tranny acceptance, and even literal autism - it's all part of the show on Magic: The Cuckening!

 No.223405

File: 1457077341144.jpg (46.28 KB, 463x698, 463:698, holdthefuckon.jpg)

The infestation of SJW's and feminists in our hobbies has been happening for a while, this is indisputable.

But shit like this happens all the time and at all levels of play in Magic. Its one of the reasons that kept me from playing it.

You faggots cheat all the fucking time. Its always the same thing too, one of two scenarios

Player 1 cheats.

Player 2 doesn't notice.

or

Player 1 cheats

Player 2 notices

Player 1 apologetically withdraws the cheat, citing an error of judgement and/or lack of rules knowledge.

Now since she's a woman, she's prone to cheating more, so its up to you faggots to make sure you watch her like a fucking hawk.

Magic sucks though I hate this game.


 No.223407

>>223401

theres alot of pieces of shit in tournaments. every single fucking time ive gone to a tournament some asshoel tries to intentionally misread the life totals.for an advantage. alot of faggots play that game.


 No.223416

>>223401

>Minecraft in Magic

Are you referring to the Notch-designed card? I'd be interested if there is a greater story about those cards, but I don't think there's anything dodgy going on there. Just general marketing.


 No.223436

>After all, the rules are intended to protect people who are honest

That's bullshit and she and everyone else who has played MtG at GP level knows it. In MtG rules are intended to protect the people who:

1. KNOW THE FUCKING RULES

2. know the penalties for breaking them and how to not get caught and penalized

And I'm not even talking about intentionally cheating or spotting shady play, that's a whole different issue. At GP level you have to know the rules just to play normally and know when your opponent should get penalized. What she did was trying to game the rules and argue that he missed the trigger. If she had said she didn't see him change his life total the situation could've gone either way.


 No.223437

>>223401

>and even literal autism

I keep seeing that but always just random remarks, what's that all about?


 No.223439

>>223437

Given OP's history lessons are getting more and more contemporary, I suspect it has something to do with a certain Planeswalker.


 No.223452

File: 1457104878428.jpg (114.66 KB, 500x522, 250:261, 1396773101251.jpg)

>>223401

>try to cheat

>After all, the rules are intended to protect people who are honest


 No.223454

Someone stole my thread.

I'm okay with this!

God speed anon!


 No.223457

File: 1457106797405.gif (1.58 MB, 250x220, 25:22, 1450125307727.gif)

>protect people who are honest

>tries to get one by them

>gets caught

>fesses up

>thinks that confessing after being caught dead to rights makes her an honest person


 No.223470

Imageboards have messed me up.

Everytime I see a picture of a "woman" in context like this, I do a thorough inspection of the picture to answer the question "are they a tranny?"

I can't tell. (s)he's too androgynous in the pictures. I'd be willing to bet yes, though.

Is Jackie Lee a tranny? Any word on it?

Not that it changes anything about them cheating. I'm not sure if biological women or genderkin are either more prone to bullshittery than the other.


 No.223471

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.

>>223470

If that counts as messed up, then we're both messed up. I don't think she's a tranny. She seemed feminine from what I heard in the video for GP Baltimore - I've included it here in case anyone wants to watch some footage from a time when Standard had good counterspells, or to see if there were any "huge mistakes" I missed while writing the OP.


 No.223481

I think my wish got twisted when I asked for more girls to be nerds.

Damn you Monkey Pawn!


 No.223492

>>223416

I agree with that. Aggressive Mining is a very cool card and I would love to do something with it


 No.223497

>>223405

Magic doesn't suck, competitive play sucks.

It's like CS:GO, it's all "GET GUD FAGGOT IM GLOBAL ELITE TRIPLE EAGLE" and other wankery.

Magic is fun to play with friends and if you fuck up the rules you just retcon it or apologize. I had a friend who was a bit of a dick using our minor errors with the stack to get advantages over us but we didn't care cause we'd just gang up on him in four way free for alls and fuck him up the ass.

Magic with friends is fun, it's a giant chaotic mess and no one gives a shit. My brother and I used to play all the time and call each other autistic faggots and other shit while playing.

The only time Magic sucks is when you pay 10 dollars to have fun with complete strangers. You should know what you're getting into in that case.

>>223401

> Minecraft in Magic,

Wat


 No.223499

>>223497

>>223492

>>223416

Never mind, I just answered my own question by actualy reading the thread.

That's actually pretty cool. I know notch is a fat faggot sell out now but the fact he designed an mtg card is actually pretty cool.


 No.223505

>>223481

The whole damned world has been monkey's paw'd it feels like.


 No.223512

>>223470

I met her a few years back in Indy. She's not a tranny, but she isn't nearly as good as people would claim.

She also wasn't very friendly, which is a requirement when you have a planned and announced spellslinger event.


 No.223537

>>223454

Then do the colour pie thing!


 No.223624

Has anyone else heard her commentary? They had her commentate at the fucking World Championship last year with LSV. She only made comments on plays that my 12 year old nephew could make. I hate this diversity shit so fucking much. MtG commentary is normally boring as shit, but this was a whole different level. At least with Randy Buehler and LSV you have top players that can actually talk about some of the nuances of top level play.


 No.223631

File: 1457168568829.jpg (365.58 KB, 900x971, 900:971, 1415936743747.jpg)

>>223497

The thing is you get these kind of wannabe pros at prereleases and such. I've played MtG both casually and competitively, and the biggest assholes and rule lawyers I've run into were at FLGS unfortunately. It's not all players, but it's enough of them (I'd say 20-30%) that they ruin the fun unless you play with just the people you know and like.


 No.223633

>>223401

This is why no matter what you do, who you play against, you always state exactly what is occurring.

I treat a newbie the same as I treat a pro. I treat my friends the same as I treat strangers. I explain what I am doing and what the outcome of that is, and I politely wait so my opponent has a chance to respond or record it before I continue.

I read every card I use if I have not used it against this opponent.

That way I can be sure that they won't fuck up and, more importantly, I won't fuck up.


 No.223651

>>223497

Or… or… hear me out on this, you play a game where you don't have to make up your own rules and restrict the card pool to evade the pay-to-win aspects of the game, and play a better developed card game with better rules and mechanics.

Competitive magic sucks because the game does.


 No.223652

>>223651

The only card games that do this are online ones that can balance cards on the fly (and that balancing is the exact same as banlists; a way to balance the game) and LCG's, which are not balanced outside of their limited pools.

Competitive magic sucks because of oversights on card balance, which no one is excusing. There shouldn't be 6 of 8 decks using the same strategy. But quite frankly the popularity of Modern is unhealthy for the game, since it falls into a pattern of highly successful decks instead of an evolving metagame. If you play Standard in a gaming group that doesn't buy singles you can still have a lot of fun with the semi-optimized decks, not to mention drafting is still great.


 No.224195

>Shitskin

Not even once


 No.224197

File: 1457345928386.jpg (31.06 KB, 555x388, 555:388, SmQxdua.jpg)

>>223633

Shows how shit competetive Magic is when the autistic pedantry leaks into casual play.


 No.224200

>>223651

Are you another Hex shill?

Because I was just about to shill Hex but they did have an issue with a card 'banning' and they're only on their third set of cards so that either bodes well (only one serious issue so far) or bodes poorly (one serious issue and they aren't even into a third expansion set yet) so I'm not exactly sure if this is the MTG alternative /tg/ is looking for.


 No.224206

>>224197

>autistic pedantry

Y'know if you're familiar with your local group and you're playing casually and they're willing to forgive fuck ups and let you take back moves, then you can just tap your mana and say the card name and tap it on the target.

But if I'm with a new group, I don't know how serious or experienced they are and I'm playing the card for the first time in our match, I'm going to put my card down on the table and explain what it does.


 No.224332

>>223401

Gaby Spartz did her first commentary at GP Detroit this weekend and she was pretty good. She giggled a lot and it was cute, but it would probably get annoying if she doesn't tone it down. Though I don't blame her for constantly laughing when being near LSV. She kept looking at him with thirsty eyes.

Gaby is pretty charismatic and she is okay at magic but not nearly at the level of a pro. Melissa DeTora is actually really intelligent about magic but she is autistic and shouldn't be the face of anything. Jackie Lee is neither knowledgable nor charismatic and her commentary at the last PT was a disaster.


 No.224693

>>224197

You cannot autistically compete with a old edition warhammer fantasy player pulling out a manouver callied "the windscreen wiper" that bending the rules permitted to a unit to move several inches more than its usual movement.


 No.224742

File: 1457556429180.png (155.5 KB, 700x1000, 7:10, cry_me_a_ocean_by_itcamefr….png)

>>224693

Well that just comes with the territory. In Magic you rules lawyer someone to DQ. In any GW game, you win based on how well you bend the rules without breaking them. Night and day.


 No.224743

>>224332

She was not "pretty good" by any measure except WotC's own coverage, which is abysmally bad so that's not saying much (LSV being the exception, but he's not really WotC).

She was better than Randy though, I'll give her that.

>>224206

One issue is fine, people tend to forget just how broken Magic was for the first decade. That shit would not be acceptable today.

I'm playing Spellweaver, which like Hex is a free to play Magic clone, and it also has some serious balance issues. Thankfully they can fix these in a patch. Here's hoping they do.


 No.225898

Weren't there several card portraits (or whatever they are called) that were deemed problematic and pulled from circulation? IIRC wasn't one of a a female wizard about to be punched or something?


 No.225900

File: 1457988089334.jpg (28.92 KB, 223x310, 223:310, Triumph_of_ferocity.jpg)


 No.225945

>>224332

Her commentary was horrible, and it's hard to be bad at commentating fucking Magic.

>De Tora

>Anything but retarded

She's a shit player that only got onto the pro scene by cheating, which she got away with.

Face it, women and competitive level Magic do not mix. That isn't to say there won't be girls at GPs or Pro Tours, but they will almost never actually do very well unless they're completely autistic.

Let me post for fuck's sake Hotwheels


 No.226022

>>225945

The worse part is, she isn't competent, and she isn't even fuckable.

It's literally lose/lose


 No.226041

>>224200

>Hex

No, I'd never shill for Hex, it's the exact same shit. Eat a dick, faggot.


 No.226161

Are the old Magic: The Cuckening threads still up somewhere?


 No.226232

>>226161

There are links in the other thread, but 8ch archive is down.


 No.227674

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.

Hey, OP here. I know I haven't posted with a new story in a while, but I just wanted you guys to know it's been due to a job interview and some other personal stuff, not because I have no plans to update the thread. Please bear with me for another little while until I get this sorted out enough to do justice to the topic.


 No.227675

>>227674

Please ignore the unrelated embed, sorry.


 No.228179

Anyone got that comic about how a hobby gets infiltrated and destroyed from within?




[Return][Go to top][Catalog][Post a Reply]
Delete Post [ ]
[]
[ home / board list / faq / random / create / bans / search / manage / irc ] [ ]