/tg/ - Traditional Games

>>224725

Elf Midwife.

Dwarven muscle wizard.

>>224725

Masculinity relies on Strength. Traditionally, to get that 18/00 Strength while remaining natty (instead of relying on magic and shit), you had to be a human male of the fighter classes or sub-classes.

Now, Paladins and Cavaliers both get you those gains, as do Fighters, but they all suffer in that they know jack shit about true manly things, like galumphing through the wilderness. Which leaves Ranger and Barbarian.

Now, the thing about men, is men are also smart. Men know shit. Men are competent and have a great deal of expertise. Barbarians have a maximum Wisdom score of jack-shit, because they're retards, rather than men.

Human Ranger, then, is the manliest profession. Human Ranger with a two-handed sword, rolling those sweet 2HD at Level 1, tracking down enemies, casting magic spells and shit, and scoring massive damage on massive enemies.

Dwarves and shit? They've got nothing on the Human Ranger. Human Rangers will fuck your dwarf up.

Until 3rd Edition, when Ranger became the faggot bow/dual-wield class.

this looks a whole lot like bait

Dwarven Lawful Evil Paladin.

There is nothing effeminate about it.

>>224725

She looks a lot like a girl I used to work with

Anyway; first we need to consider what traits are considered masculine or attributable to males:

Physically

Facial and body hair

Development of "triangular" body form (Narrower hips and broader shoulders built for being able to both run faster though more likely to topple over and throw punches in bigger arcs with more muscle and mass behind them)

Relatively higher height

Relatively less body fat

Socially

This one's more difficult as it varies slightly on a societal basis, but generally men tend to be less social unless they need to be. Things that seem to be present throughout most cultures:

Men take more risks

Men are quieter (gossiping like men is not a phrase found in any culture)

Men are smarter, or more, they're more likely to be further from the average in terms of intelligence and dumber men are ignored

Men are active and take initiative

Probably lots more things that I've forgotten

Now we consider which race and classes that'll exemplify these traits:

Race

Humans - most well rounded, would allow for a balance of physical and social traits

Orc - this makes sense on a purely physical level. If we consider men generally being less social then orcs' general aversion to socialising beyond necessity would also be very in line with it

Dwarf - Though hirsute and buff, being shorter, slower work against them

Elf - If you can find a ripped up elf that's broad shouldered and essentially a giant man, you've cracked it

Class

Fighter/warrior - No brainer

Bard - Men normally have to have something to offer to others to be noticed societally, being a fucking rockstar will get you pussy

Ranger - Equipped to hunt, track, survive, handy in a fight, smart, will have social skills to get by but is usually a loner, ranger's probably the manliest

Strangely, IRL, even in professions considered feminine, the best (or atleast most well renowned) tend to also be men. Cooking, for example, often seen as women's work in some cultures, is pioneered in the professional world by men. Men are the 'doers'. The "manliest" class could be argued as any class that lets you do things as much as possible to a high degree.

The better question for ruffling feathers is asking what the most feminine race/class mix is, because it's less about what women do and more about what they don't. They're generally more passive and want to take background roles. You can't really do that in an RPG where you're an active participant. Generally and historically speaking, women would be the NPCs of RPGs.

Loli wizard.

Orc Barbarian. There's no contesting this.

>>224754

reported

Half-Orc… Half-Dwarf. 6'4 and four feet wide. Pure muscle. Pure barbarian. Pure murder. You only eat live rabbits, or larger. You only drink straight vodka, or stronger. Never sleep. Never speak. Never not kill.

>>224736

Nigga, v-tapes don't mysteriously make you faster and stronger than other people. It's just that it's a sign of being extremely muscular. People who have such an anatomy naturally do look more muscular, hence stronger, but they are at no anatomical advantage compared to other body types.

>>224757

Make me wonder: who raped who in the parents? Who was mom and who was the dad? I imagine that in either way, both were very hairy.

Human fighter

Human Barbarian

Orc fighter

Orc Barbarian

Human paladin

Human ranger

In that order.

>>224817

You know, a less cowardly rogue can be played off as pretty damn rugged and manly: the kind of self-serving, survival-at-all-cost tough guy who is just as skilled as he is strong.

>>224822

Agreed. My dad played a pretty manly rogue back in the day. He had like 16 Strength but was sneaky.

Really all you have to do is play like you have a pair of balls and you can be a manly character. I've seen female players playing more manly female characters than the cowardly wizard who ran from adventure and had to be subdued and dragged to the first dungeon because he didn't want to go.

>>224736

>The better question for ruffling feathers is asking what the most feminine race/class mix is, because it's less about what women do and more about what they don't. They're generally more passive and want to take background roles.

>book smarts

>fragility

>support role

Mage/healer

>>224824

Of course, I'd argue wizards aren't inherently unmanly. The shaming of maleness these days also extend to the shaming of the desire for knowledge and ambition. Nothing unmanly about wanting to bend the powers of the cosmos to your will: its an extension of bending nature to human will.

Its just wizards tend to be the scholarly so they are physically frail.

Cimmerian/Barb. Duh.

>>224817

> human ranger at the bottom

Nope.

>>224834

Wizard with a high INT and DEX scores is more than capable of being a sufficient combatant. Just stand back and chuck daggers at goblins.

The Human Rogue…because a real man is good at everything and anything.

>>224814

They were both extremely drunk.

I mean like, rolling 20s to not die from alcohol poisoning every round.

>>224962

It is gay, son. You're just deluding yourself.

Human Female according to Magic.

>Video game playing

>not videogame

She needs the oven

>>225016

You said you trapped a few times. Which animal did you catch?

>>225017

Bears, I reckon.

>>224786

>There is no anatomical advantage to different shaped bodies that can fit more muscle on them and swing fists in wider arcs, with narrower waists that make someone better able to run

Are you actually this retarded? Do you not understand how physics works? If you have a weight at the end of a stick and then increase the length of the stick, you hit much harder because you impart more force. If you are broader, you are swinging your fist in a larger arc with more muscle attached to the system to give it power. You're purpose built to fucking fight people.

Did you just think "Triangle Shape" had no benefit? Did you think it just "looked" like they had broader set frames and more muscle?

Jesus Christ.

Human Paladin, obviously.

A manly man is a strong and sturdy warrior. A manly man is damn near immune to nagging and other mind-altering debuffs. A manly man is a skilled driver. A manly man makes all the fucking saving throws. All of them. A manly man is honorable and follows a code, he is not some self-indulgent manchild. Manly men have self-discipline and hold themselves to higher standards.

And here's the thing you necksperg shut ins are neglecting. A manly man is charismatic. A manly man is a man people look up to and listen to. A manly man is a fucking leader who gets shit done.

>>225364

paladin's are cucked by their religions and superstitions.

>>225366

But it is their religions that give them strength, anon…and it actually works.

>>225366

Their religions and superstitions are real since if they don't follow them they'll fall like a motherfucker.

>>225366

>paladin's are cucked by their religions and superstitions.

>cucked

I hate you.

>>225366

Chaotic Randumb and Shallow Selfish are the alignments of women, children, and weebs. Lawful is a man's alignment. A man believes in himself but he can simultaneously believe in something outside himself, without being "cucked," because he has confidence and knows that believing in something isn't a threat to his own autonomy or ability to reason. Whether it's nation, god, philosophy, duty, what have you, a manly man realizes that believing in something and believing in himself are not mutually exclusive and knows how to make them work in harmony. A manly man is a warrior-philosopher.

>>225020

Underrated post.

>>225424

Chaotic Neutral is almost exclusively misplayed as the 'selfish asshole' alignment. They see the failings of the law, both the lazy lawkeepers who fail to uphold it, and the cruel merchants that exploit it for profit. They ascribe to neither 'good' nor 'evil', as they see both sides failures.

True Neutral should be the selfish asshole. They care for neither good nor evil, law nor chaos. Only the needs and the whims of the day and the self.

>>225445

TN is either upholding the balance, or completely removed from concerns of morality. I think very few actual people would apply to TN.

NE is the selfish asshole alignment you're looking for. It has always been the "Me first, my whims, my concern, my survival happiness, and comfort comes first, fuck everything else" alignment, and it would probably be what most of real humans fall into.

CN has always been the random chaos alignment of madmen and the irrational. It considers "freedom" important, but only its own freedom. Just like the comicbook characters of Harley and Deadpool have been latched onto by a huge fanbase that didn't completely understand them, and they they kind of warped to match the expectations of their popularity, so too did CN change slightly over the years in group perspective to reflect what people thought it was.

In any case, chaos and neutrality, together or separately are definitely more feminine than masculine traits.

>>224822

Kind of like what we're talking about with alignments and Paladins … there's nothing at all unmanly about the Rogue class, but

>self-serving

is definitely a more feminine than masculine trait.

>>225452

>I think very few actual people would apply to TN.

TN could easily apply to someone whose only focus is some sort of pursuit or philosophy completely separate from morality. A mage could be a good example of this: Johnny Wizard wants to read old books and practice his spells. He doesn't rely on some sort of guild or university's guidance to do this (lawful), nor does he actively shun such institutions (chaotic), as long as they let him practice his arcane autism. He's not self-centered to the point of being evil, he won't go out of his way to harm others to his own benefit, but he doesn't bother helping them either.

>>225454

Oh yeah, that's a really good angle I hadn't considered.

>>225445

>>225452

>>225454

True Neutral is actually quite common: they're the peasants that just want to grow their crops, tend to their cattle and raise their families without having orcs butcher them or have basilisks devour their lifestock. They care for themselves and their own, perfectly content with living peaceful lives. And if the roads are safe and maintained, taxation is reasonable, there are no outsiders fucking with them in any sense of the word the peasants will live their peasants life in peace.

In essence, True Neutral is an alignment of pragmatism and realism. They'll act Good and Evil, Lawful and Chaotic if it's both pragmatic and realistic to them. TN might be altruistic towards those around them because they can expect such altruism back. However, NG takes this to the point where said altruism comes at a cost of NG, which TN objects to. On the other hand, TN will act in its self-interest if it does not come at the cost of others, for it knows that those who give can expect to receive in turn.

Meanwhile, TN will break the law if it is in its interest and there's a good chance they will not get caught. Otherwise TN will not break the law out of pragmatic reasons. This doesn't mean that TN supports LN's constant rule-making. However, TN will follow rules they do not support if doing so is in their self-interest, something that CN firmly opposes.

>>225663

that's so ugly

>>225678

Yes, but I think that most peasants (and most real life people), are actually NE. You can't really tell the difference between TN and intelligent NE until their comfortable everyday circumstances are changed, or until a really tempting opportunity comes up.

Just think about work environments and social circles, people act in their own self interests at the cost of others in small ways all the time, sometimes without even thinking about it. Think about how most people would rather be dishonest than say anything that even remotely incriminates them or makes them seem any kind of "less."

Good explanation of TN by the way. It's always nice to see someone who understands the much-maligned alignment system.

But to drag it back on topic, do you think that any alignment bits are inherently more masculine or feminine?

>>225880

>do you think that any alignment bits are inherently more masculine or feminine?

I wouldn't say so, the trends and stereotypes of each sex contradict themselves with regards to alignment far too often. However, there's a bit more to being manly than being masculine.

Call cliche all you want, but Lawful Good is probably the manliest alignment. The Ubermensch should be a leader of men, and if he chooses not to follow conventions because he has judged that they are wanting, then he must set the conventions himself (Lawful). The Ubermensch must also be willing to work towards the common good above his own ends (Good).

>>225880

Lawful, Evil, Good, and Chaotic are all masculine.

Neutral is feminine.

>>225940

>Chaotic

>masculine

Chaotic is the polar opposite of manly. It's the very essence of femininity. The best Chaotic can hope for is boyish immaturity.

>>224962

>she

I come from /pol/ to tell you that's not a woman.

Also I'm throwing my hat in with human rogue, since they're good at everything, even combat if they set it up to fight smart and have the advantage. You can't say rogues are all cowardly because all classes have their stereotypes and they're not always true.

>Bumbling paladin

>Cowardly rogue

>Obsessive wizard

>Egotistical sorceress

>Tree-hugger druid

>>225971

I thought the Rogue stereotype was a mix of 'kleptomaniac' and 'James Bond wannabe'.

>>225971

I'd just like to point out that in melee combat a rogue needs to be helped and protected.

>>224736

>orcs' general aversion to socialising

Is that a D&D thing? Orcs tend to be depicted as fairly social in most mediums, either through logic of horde tactics or from being loud, obnoxious and full of revelry.

The worst depictions have them as vitriolic even among their own kind but I doubt they are anti-social.

>>225942

depends on the interpretation

chaotic can mean anything from acting without thinking to not letting the laws and rules get in your way.

It's the libertarian/anarchist ideal

>women chaotic

not sure man,

>>224725

>trap porn

Yeah, except good trap porn doesn't exist, and I can count good trap hentai on the fingers of one hand.