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 No.228129

So in all these reviews of FATAL I hear it called stuff like "The Date Rape RPG without the Dating" and "rape simulation" so I came in with high expectations that this could cover the mechanics of something that games simply don't touch.

Consensual sex gets addressed in fan works like Book of Erotic Arts for D20 or the "GURPS Sex" manual, but neither touch rape. Which is silly because if anything can be hand-waived into "just co-operatively describe this with flavor text" it's consensual things.

Rules are designed for resolving differences in intent and with all the rules we have for assault (even if grappling is often a more confusing issue than striking) having ones for sexual assault would make sense.

"Rape is not intended to be a core element of F.A.T.A.L." on page 7 is completely accurate here. If it were actually a core element it would actually have some decent rules.

For all the focus on the rape-y atmosphere of the game, it feels like reviewers really have not focused on just how little exploration the act has. So little that it is incredibly disappointing.

In 2000 the rules appear on page 342 of "Fantasy Adventure To Adult Lechery"

In 2004 the rules appear on page 398 "From Another Time, Another Land".

In either case they are easily found searching "Rape roll", a term which occurs 5 times in 1 paragraph and a 6th time in the one after.

All these fall under a skill called "Overbearing", a Wrestling skill which is basically pinning a foe who's been taken down or otherwise on the ground.

Although Overbear is essentially number 12 and Brawling 13, Rape is essentially a whole other ability which occurs only after a successful overbear, so I guess you could call it 12.5

So basically, you make a roll and have to beat a 'Weight Difference' check.

Which makes no sense to me because if you have 2 targets each 300lbs, it should be harder to grapple the one who is 10% bodyfat than the one who is 50% bodyfat, more muscle more force. A stronger target could buck you off or pull you off more effectively.

Passing an intimidation check doubles the weight difference you roll against, fair enough. Someone who feels defeated and overwhelmed wouldn't be able to struggle as hard since they would lack confidence.

The "weight difference" you roll against refers to Overbearing, which doesn't even allow the maneuver to happen unless the top target weighs more than the bottom target.

This effectively means that a 200 pound man cannot rape a 200 pound woman in FATAL, she has to be 199 or below.

Aside from the difference-doubling from intimidation, there's penalties for either party wearing clothing… and that's it. Nothing for strength, perception, agility…

Also there's completely random results which don't make any sense, they aren't influenced by attributes at all

Failed rape roll after successful overbear:

VARIABLE A: 40% chance the rape succeeded anyway but then the victim escaped, 60% chance you escaped without any rape

VARIABLE B: 40% chance damage to ponos, 40% chance damage to balls, 20% no injury to attacker.

So what, no injury to the face possibility? No on-going struggle rules to escape each turn? No rules for the attacker or target having immobilized limbs? Blind attackers or low lighting? Genital location lore?

I mean… THIS is the so-called rape RPG? Rape is a pathetic afterthought here, critics seem to just want to sensationalize FATAL and pick on it and bully the author. This does not deserve the title Rape RPG for how little it got explored. As someone who likes complex mechanics for everything I was sorely disappointed here.

For all the focus on 'Anal Circumference' and 'Hymen Resistance' this RPG gets, very little seems to actually be done with these things. They don't appear to actually factor into any rape calculations. They mostly seem like pointless flavoring.

Are there any sources out there which actually deserve to be called the most extensive address that rape has gotten? This doesn't seem to be it.

 No.228143

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>complaining that FATAL doesn't have enough rape

This is a new one to me.


 No.228156

File: 1458602366697.png (57.7 KB, 645x283, 645:283, gay men rape women.png)

I'm sure this was all going to get revised in the several rape splatbooks if they'd been made.


 No.228184

>>228129

So the… "Anakim", they're like the Wraethu-class bad supernatural romance book "dark" lusty assholes that are superior to people in any way?

This painful picture seems to tell me that. I mean, it's obvious.


 No.228203

I'd absolutely love to rape a woman in an RPG. It is something I have been hoping my GM would allow for months now. Unfortunately there haven't been many female NPCs. I have been building my character for grappling / wrestling and have taken a lot of traits to make that possible.

I am hoping I can do it in the Apocalypse World game my other group is planning to run, seeing as sex is already a part of that game and I think it's just a 10+ to succeed on basically whatever you want. I love the idea o the game and I love the idea of raping a woman in an RPG.

I just like to think about catching her alone on her way home to her shitty aluminum / rebar house in the apocalypse village, forcing her down into the wheatfields and holding a knife to her tender pale throat while I cut away her clothes and force myself inside her. I like the idea of slamming her down when she tries to struggle and listening to her helpless mewling and begging. Then I leave her tied up and struggling, for any of the numerous apocalypse beasts to devour. When they sniff her out i watch them rip her to shreds, light a cigarette and lean against a tree, until they are finished. Then i leave and move on to the next village.

Sadly the GM probably won;t allow that though.


 No.228205

I usually try to avoid the topic due to its uncomfortable nature and tendancy to make sessions end badly, but there are examples that I can think of where I would be willing to rape an NPC, namely if they betrayed me, humiliated me, or if I wanted to teach a nonlethal lesson to either the NPC or someone associated with them.

I usually just use murder or torture in the given situations, but I'd be willing to use rape if I wanted it to have a deeply personal effect on the character. It's a weapon, just like all the other mechanics.


 No.228206

>>228203

Nice try but I know for a fact Virt got banned.

Even if that's you…

Nobody would believe it.


 No.228209

>failed to save the damsel in time

>

>player: "why is she pregnant"

>

>GM: "why do you think?"

>

>player: "marriage?"

>

>beat

>

>GM: "No."

>

>GM: "She was raped."

>

>player: "Why didn't he seduce her?

>

>GM: "because he's the bad guy"

The player then proceeded to continue asking why instead of seducing the damsel as if he were a charming, handsome Disney villain like Gaston.


 No.228210

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>>228129

>Going into FATAL expecting real rules


 No.228531

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>bumplocked

/tg/ confirmed for run by SJWs

Abandoning board.


 No.228578

>>228531

Not like it was deleted you retarded sperg.


 No.228797

>>228129

>So in all these reviews of FATAL I hear it called stuff like "The Date Rape RPG without the Dating" and "rape simulation" so I came in with high expectations

You have a legitimate complain, then. But why did you come with it here?

Calling out those from whom you heard it would make more sense.

Expose the shills!




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