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 No.352888

 No.352903

>>352888 (checked)

What's that Immortal Sun even supposed to be?


 No.353033

File: f76d8c0a82987d9⋯.jpg (32.16 KB, 265x370, 53:74, 20180102.jpg)

File: 843b98841e2b6af⋯.jpg (29.66 KB, 265x370, 53:74, 20180101.jpg)

>>352903

I'm assuming that's the treasure the vampire conquistadors were searching for.


 No.353066

>>353033

>the leftist's hymn

Oh boy


 No.353074

>>353033

I know as much as that, I meant what it's actually supposed to be.

Is it another planar bridge? A kind of mana vault?

>>353066

Obvious leftist bait, no religious entity would abandon these things. I like the card though


 No.353075

>immortal sun

Sheesh, it's like the designer went "Fuck it. I can't think of anything interesting for an artifact to do. I'll just make it do everything."


 No.353079

>>353075

>Let's make it do everything but make you immortal!


 No.353083

File: 248fc4b48a195fe⋯.png (254.99 KB, 350x487, 350:487, Elenda-the-Dusk-Rose.png)

>Nice new commander for a token creature/vampire tribal/sacrifice themed deck

>Goes nice with Ayli

>2WB for 1/1 lifelink

Seriously WotC why?


 No.353113

>>353083

>expecting a multicolored legend to be designed for constructed play

>expecting it to be anything but EDH bait

Gatecrash wasn't that long ago.


 No.353114

>>353083

>white black gets aristocrats again.

Why is WotC out of ideas?


 No.353131

>>353079

>or make it immortal


 No.353134

>>353113

This isn't even worth playing as a commander.

>>353114

It's the fact that it has such abysmal stats for such a high cost which makes it shit in both constructed and limited well maybe not limited but I won't play it anytime soon.


 No.353157

>>353079

>>353075

>Dies to removal


 No.353163

>>353075

>immortal

>not indestructible

>doesn't even get shuffled back into owner's library

Wizzinga does it again


 No.353173

File: 2a5227f1b270341⋯.jpg (52.58 KB, 265x370, 53:74, azorthelawbringer.jpg)

What?


 No.353181

File: f5f57e8590bb8d8⋯.png (87.39 KB, 426x409, 426:409, f5f57e8590bb8d86cbc29b551b….png)

>>353173

HERE WE GO AGAIN


 No.353182

>>353173

What the fuck is HE doing on the pirates-and-dinosaurs plane? He's still alive? What the shit.


 No.353186

File: 3d9987ce7d75650⋯.jpg (85.82 KB, 960x720, 4:3, 1513488489287.jpg)

>>353181

>>353182

Okay, here we go, I looked it up because I got curious:

>Azor was once a planeswalker

>walked to a bunch of planes and did sphinx things, apparently inspiring a bunch of myths about sphinx lawmakers

<I feel like this is a shitty retcon, but I never really knew anything about him beyond "guy who founded best guild"

>eventually goes to Ixalan

>makes the Immortal Sun, which traps planeswalkers on Ixalan, among other fun stuff

>including him

>for reasons


 No.353193

>>353173

>See upside down triangle artifact

>Want to shitpost LMAO AZORIOUS, decide not to

>This

Wew wotc


 No.353194

>>353186

>trapping Planeswalkers in one place

We finally getting our Planeswalkers War? We already have the Mox Beacon, so it's a matter of time.


 No.353196

>>353113

Speaking about Ravnica…


 No.353222

>>353157

Anon, artifacts are piss-easy to get rid of for cheap. and it costs six mana with no payoff until you play other things. On top of that, it's Legendary, so you can't even stack it. You can easily compare it to Gonti's Aether Heart, which can net you an extra turn or Mirri's Wake, which, if you play it on turn 6, at least leaves you with two mana open for a Counterspell or better. If a Planeswalker is still on the table without an answer at turn 6, then you're in trouble anyway.

This thing is going to be amazing in EDH and probably an auto-include for a lot of decks, but other than that what's the point?

>>353196

>>353173

Why not? We already had "Chandra resolves her mommy issues," "Liliana goes to beat up an ex-boyfriend demon," and now we get "Jace meets the former store manager."

Might as well close each Grand Prix with the Seinfeld theme now…


 No.353240

>>353222

>Why not? We already had "Chandra resolves her mommy issues," "Liliana goes to beat up an ex-boyfriend demon," and now we get "Jace meets the former store manager."

Sounds like we're due a Gideon or Nissa story in the next set, then the other in the set after that.


 No.353260

>>353240

I just want more Bolas taking the piss out of the nuWalkers, even if he was Saturday Morning Cartoon Villain-tier, or someone smacking around Jace. That works for me too.


 No.353266

File: 384f2a18f54b477⋯.jpg (24.51 KB, 323x454, 323:454, for what purpose.jpg)

>>353173

Return to Ravnica part 2 confirmed?

>>353186

>Create an artifact that traps all planeswalkers warping in including yourself for reasons still unknown

>Somehow this artifact keeps vampires from going vampire

>Somehow the newest Ixalan native planeswalker could warp to Kaladesh while this artifact exists

What the actual fugg?


 No.353272

>>353266

Was it a woman?


 No.353273

File: 6c4a2e5580c8a38⋯.jpg (101.85 KB, 858x381, 286:127, 20180103.jpg)

Red looks like fun


 No.353274

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.

>>353272

>

>>353273

When was red not fun to play?

I went mono-red on the Ixalan pre-release, shit was fun AND strong.


 No.353275

>>353274

It was a shot in the dark.

>>353273

>Form of the Dragon makes you a 5/5 flier that deals 5 damage a turn

>Form of the Dinosaur makes you a 15/15 that fights each turn

ok


 No.353315

>>353274

Red Deck Wins is always a valid deck.


 No.353326

>>353315

Yeah if all else fails in pre-release I just go to my red card pile and hope for the best.


 No.353409

File: fbbd65353004b0f⋯.jpg (97.17 KB, 850x384, 425:192, 20180102.jpg)

Current Wizards pumping out the multi-color cards..


 No.353426

>>353409

A Merfolk lord and a nice shapeshifter raid card.

Not bad tbh.


 No.353470

File: f54f190f517e547⋯.jpg (42.48 KB, 265x370, 53:74, zacamaprimalcalamity.jpg)

File: e79d34d0a7e7c12⋯.jpg (737.92 KB, 600x1392, 25:58, MtG.jpg)

CCT here. I can't believe I have to post this about an official card.

Now I can't wait for people to leap to find examples of cards with 3 mana abilities and several other abilities before.

>>353409

>(It must survive the damage to get the counters)

I can't believe this needed to be explained.


 No.353480

>>353470

I know it's real but damn that Zacama looks fake as fugg.

>(It must survive the damage to get the counters)

>I can't believe this needed to be explained.

I kind of understand, I know the rules pretty well but sometimes when I play against friends who are not that into Magic as me they tend to say the opposite and I get confused myself.


 No.353492

File: 6fe7789c2818aee⋯.png (73.61 KB, 312x445, 312:445, ClipboardImage.png)

>>353470

Don't even have to leap.


 No.353493

File: 2dd4818eb02f341⋯.png (122.7 KB, 464x664, 58:83, ClipboardImage.png)

>>353492

To be fair that just has three activated abilities and no keywords.

So here's one with five.


 No.353505

File: 7b951d1a9947f36⋯.jpg (26.94 KB, 265x370, 53:74, 20180102.jpg)

Blood Moon or Blood Sun?


 No.353506

>>353492

Blood Moon is going to be more useful overall, because color-fixing lands become off color or mono colored. Blood Sun allows them to still function.


 No.353512

>>353505

blood moon almost every time. though blood sun will be an intresting SB option for tron and maybe scapeshift


 No.353515

File: 7e66dec8ca7433e⋯.jpg (45.32 KB, 265x370, 53:74, colossaldreadmaw.jpg)

File: 8acc6e3dbc3456c⋯.jpg (39.02 KB, 265x370, 53:74, raptorcompanion.jpg)

File: b6d0357e8fa785f⋯.jpg (49.26 KB, 265x370, 53:74, legionconquistador.jpg)

File: 2521a9ee1b3ed9b⋯.jpg (47.2 KB, 265x370, 53:74, sailorofmeans.jpg)

HOW IS THIS ALLOWED TO HAPPEN?

>print cards in ixalan

>print the same fucking cards in rivals of ixalan

>not even new art

>or rarity

WELCOME TO THE NEW AGE OF MTG WHERE EACH SET IS GOING TO CONTAIN THE SAME 20 CARDS


 No.353516

>>353515

Balance reasons due to the removal of block structure, likely. I was dumbstruck when I first saw it, too.


 No.353517

>>353516

except ixalan was designed as a 2 set block…


 No.353518

>>353517

They changed the way drafting works, so you now only draft a single set. That's what I meant, sorry.


 No.353519

>>353518

you got some proof to those claims? because everyone from channel fireball to star city games don't seem to think rivals draft is going to be rivals-rivals-rivals


 No.353520

>>353519

forgot to mention it's also a small set, so that would be the equivalent of bringing back coldsnap without the interesting mechanics


 No.353521

>>353519

>>353520

I don't know what the actual number of cards in Rivals of Ixalan is, but according to MaRo's announcement six months ago it should be a large set drafted alone, given it's released in the winter.

http://archive.is/EnROp#selection-3828.0-3858.3


 No.353526

>>353521

"Before I begin explaining the new model, I want to stress that this new system begins with "Soup" in the spring of 2018. Both Amonkhet and Ixalan blocks will follow the current model complete with a large and a small set…"

i know your just answering my replies, but this shit is just a clusterfuck on wizards end. ixalan draft is generally regarded as garbage i kinda like it though adding redundent copies of cards nobody wants in their draft deck is just retarded. i understand why they would add legion conquistador, and maybe this new format will still be starved for 2drops so raptor companion kinda makes sense, or maybe it will slow down enough for sailor of means to become playable. but colossal dreadmaw is garbage even in the dinosaur deck and even if all this was true, why couldn't they have just printed 4 NEW cards to the format to change it in a way they wanted? this set stinks of wizards lack of r&d, our only hope is the play design team doing what they were hired for, instead of leaving it to whatever chucklefuck casual fags wizards had running the show before


 No.353532

File: a79028f89d199c8⋯.jpg (41.07 KB, 283x323, 283:323, 1462909904822.jpg)

>>353470

>"Whenever (…) enters the battlefield, if you cast it, untap all lands you control."

>Not just making it "Whenever you cast (…), untap all lands you control."


 No.353533

>>353532

it's so edh players understand that you can use it's abilities the same turn you play it.


 No.353534

>>353533

Y'know.

Wizards design philosophy is going a little too far now.

>Let's make dinosaurs BIG and for Timmy players, they'll love hard casting fatties that turn sideways

>What do we do for a legendary dinosaur?

>Call it an Elder Dinosaur, like the Elder Dragons, and give it a million abilities, and make them simple, but still clarify what they do with clunky wording, our players are retards after all


 No.353535

>>353526

Shit, I missed that line. My mistake.


 No.353548

File: 7a34627a6191c09⋯.jpg (31.75 KB, 243x348, 81:116, samut-voice-of-dissent-598….jpg)

>>353532

They want to give players a chance to counter it without it being abused by flickering/recursion.

Not that commander bait like this would ever get put into a graveyard


 No.353556

File: 292d3cc551c903c⋯.jpg (22.27 KB, 265x370, 53:74, 20180108.jpg)

>>352888

>>353470

Mono-green got the worst elder dinosaur though. Boring….

Also, Murder got Impaled….

http://www.magicspoiler.com/mtg-spoiler/impale/

Ugh.


 No.353567

>>353515

At least in Dragons of Tarkir they had new art which was coo; because new timeline and shit.

This is just laziness.

>>353556

First blue, now black?

Whatś next, white loses lifegain?


 No.353680

>>353548

>counter it without it being abused by flickering/recursion.

Who honestly gives a shit? If you tack it on being cast, then that eliminates flickering, and if it's countered, then all you lost is one card in hand after waiting to play it until you had nine fucking mana.

>>353556

>Mono-green got the worst elder dinosaur though. Boring….

Realistically, though, it's probably the most playable. Coupled with who knows how many decks running Rhonas, this might as well be a 12/12 Trample for 1GG


 No.353688

File: f105cebd330087b⋯.jpg (45.18 KB, 265x370, 53:74, waywardswordtooth1.jpg)

>>353680

>Coupled with who knows how many decks running Rhonas, this might as well be a 12/12 Trample for 1GG

We have this asshole now, as well.


 No.353705

File: 2521ac0be62e8c6⋯.gif (1.99 MB, 400x400, 1:1, 8000.gif)

>>353515

>We realized that one of the problems with small sets was the following: Sets need basic effects. The large set would make the best version of the effect and then the small set would make the second best version. Small sets shouldn’t feel pressured to make a different card if the first set had what they needed. We limited the reprints from the large set to a small number of cards and to common.

We ran out of ideas even though we print less cards in a block than we ever did before lol


 No.353716

>>353567

White won't lose lifegain… just the numbers will be smaller or higher cost.

Compare IMPALE to MURDER. Gah! Magic:the Gathering is now Creatures: the Attacking.


 No.353757

>>353548

That was such a stupid card. The design is boring, the character is awful, and the art is garbage. Then they had the gall to make a planeswalker card based on it continuing pushing stronk wymyn and it’s so annoying.


 No.353762

File: 49bce418948ca9c⋯.jpg (44.82 KB, 265x370, 53:74, 20180109.jpg)

File: 968cfca06abfaab⋯.jpg (40.14 KB, 265x370, 53:74, 20180110.jpg)

Full spoiler out:

http://mythicspoiler.com


 No.353768

File: acef4fc1b988557⋯.jpg (316.39 KB, 2199x2264, 2199:2264, tfw no redberry pie.jpg)

>>353762

>(Transforms from Hadana's Climb.)

I don't know what I would have done with this card that's printed on both sides if it didn't tell me that it transforms from itself. I thought maybe it transformed from a fucking Plains or something,


 No.353769

>>353716

I mean, Creatures: the Attacking is at least better than Blue/Black: the Counter/Removaling, though not by much. At least there's some interactions involved.


 No.353773

>>353769

>>353716

I know that this isn't a popular opinion but I've always found Create: The Attacking the most purest form of MtG but that doesn't mean that counterspells need to be removed.

All colors have their philosophy, playstyle, special cards etc., if you remove counterspells from blue and removal from black, then what makes these colors special?

I'm calling it: green will lose mana ramp.


 No.353782

>>353769

That makes me wonder: is there a (probably homebrewed) format where only creatures are allowed?


 No.353785

>>353782

Triple Legions draft.


 No.353795

>>353782

That would be the most boring shit ever.

No counterspells, no manaramp, no equipments or auras, etc.


 No.353797

>>353795

>That would be the most boring shit ever

>No counterspells

Choose one and only one


 No.353823

>>353797

I know you're trolling, but decent counterspells are as important to the game as appropriately costed creatures and the 4 mana sweeper.

>>353773

Limited seems to be the right format for that kind of gameplay. Once you move to actual constructed formats all your 2cmc x/1s become unplayable unless they do something insane.


 No.353826

>>353823

>I know you're trolling

My first constructed deck was a slivers commander, you think I was trolling?


 No.353849

File: f3c5e9f58bbaf24⋯.gif (1.05 MB, 625x626, 625:626, cb3a2483343aff6c64185a7898….gif)


 No.353857

>>353688

You know, this set would have been a lot cooler if they ditched all the minorities, stronk womyn and planswalking snowflakes and just focused om dinosaurs instead. Just dinosaurs. Ixalan should've been the elemental plane of dinosaurs. Msybe add in a planswalker Trex if they really had to.


 No.353874

>>353849

I've never claimed to be a smart guy


 No.353882

The argument for Creatures: The Attacking is flawed on pretty much every level.

The main reason it kills the game is because it drives up the cost of effects or makes them harder to use, and it kills a lot of great, healthy complexity the game has. Reducing it turns the game into Hearthstone. Having to slap flash onto a creature to give it an instant effect suddenly gives it the power to trade or chump block. ETB effects suddenly skyrocket in value with any repeatable flicker.

Sometimes its a good thing that an instant/sorcery resolves and goes to the graveyard. It means you have a reason to interact with your graveyard, or it means you need to more carefully choose the right time to cast it to get the most value. Unsummon cast during your opponents end phase might be less valuable than casting it during their attack phase, even if they get a chance to recast it in their second main phase. Can you imagine unsummon on a 1/1 stick? 2U, minimum cost (if it retains instant speed).

Artifacts and enchantments are likewise healthy. Sometimes it is stronger to have an effect on a body and sometimes it is stronger to have it off that body, based off how important it is to remove.

Compare a creature that stays tapped to tap an opponents creature forever compared to an aura that does the same. Speaking of, no more auras, no more equipment, no more interactions with instants/sorceries, so RIP Izzet, no more mill/rebound/manaramp/tutor at a price below 3 mana. They probably just wouldn't bother printing force of savagery because of how niche it would become and how easy it would be to remove, since another creature becomes its lynchpin.

The most you can argue is that magic should be a game about swinging with creatures and supplementing your ability to do so/hindering your opponents ability to do so with support cards, but doing that just limits how players can play and turns the game into Hearthstone. I hate no-creature control decks with planeswalker wincons, but the game would be worse if they removed the things that make those decks work.


 No.353887

File: eac412cea5c58e0⋯.jpg (144.75 KB, 462x1045, 42:95, eac412cea5c58e0c7cf16481c1….jpg)

>>353773

For the past few mainline sets, we've had mana dorks be either rare, 2+ CMC, or both. I think we're already reaching that point.

>>353857

Unpopular opinion alert, but I liked how they handled minorities in this set. The vampires were culturually homogenius so that reflected with them all being (not-)Spanish. The Sun Empire was Central American consistently since they remained relatively standalone in the world. The Pirates, the only group that would actively be integrating new members instead of birthing them, had a mixture. It reminds me of Khans, in that it wasn't fucking obnoxious about it.

They need to make the sexism a little less blatant (read: it's fucking boring and they need to stop yesterday), but I'll happily take this over a random, distracting black guy in the middle of a Greek city-state where literally everyone else is white added for no other reason than to make some vague, shallow political statement.


 No.353922

>>353887

>for no other reason than to make some vague, shallow political statement

but that's all the designers care about at this point


 No.353923

>>353887

>For the past few mainline sets, we've had mana dorks be either rare, 2+ CMC, or both. I think we're already reaching that point.

So I wasn't the only one noticing it.

IS Kodama's Reach/Cultivate now officially regarded as too OP for the New New New World Order?


 No.353924

>>353923

Ironically, Modern and Frontier have near perfect mana, so all they're doing is screwing standard/draft by not allowing people to easily mana fix or ramp with mana dorks.

It's tough finding a balance. A manadork isn't worth paying for if it costs more than 1 mana. I probably wouldn't even pay 2 for Noble Hierarch.


 No.353925

File: 249b2ca0537929d⋯.jpg (122.6 KB, 600x822, 100:137, 20180110.jpg)

>>353882

I don't mind creatures getting stronger but what irks me is the spells getting weaker especially creature removal spells.

>>353887

Also having artifacts that can tap for mana or get you lands weakens green's ramp.


 No.353929

>>353924

Noble Hierarch is that strong because not only is it a manadork but also someoen who buffs your attacking creature with exalted.

I think it'd be worth 1G.


 No.353932

>>353929

>dies to hornet sting

>dies to shock

>worth 1G

Frig off


 No.353933

>>353932

It's a manadork tapping for Bant and with exalt making it always useful.

YOU fugg off nerd.


 No.353934

>>353929

I imagine one of those people who has released a book on the complexity of mana in magic would have a better explanation for this, but…

>Play 1-drop manadork

>Playing turn-3 cards on turn-2

>Playing turn-4 cards on turn-3

vs

>Play 2-drop manadork

>Miss any other turn-2 drops

>So that you can play a turn-4 card on turn-3

The only time I would think Noble Hierarch is worth being a 2-drop is in the event of playing a 1-drop that can have 2 power on turn 2 by its own, for a 3-damage swing. Just taking an example from recent history, would you pass up a Longtusk Cub to play Noble Hierarch? Would you want to play Noble Hierarch on the same turn your opponent plays Longtusk Cub? Playing a mana dork at turn 2 is just too slow.

Compare with 2-mana spells that fetch you a land.

>Same speed

>Harder to remove

>More variety in fetching

>Takes a land out of your deck so you have a greater chance of drawing something useful

>>353933

>Always useful

Unless you have two creatures with 2 or more power, then Exalted is not always useful.


 No.353937

>>353934

>Unless you have two creatures with 2 or more power, then Exalted is not always useful.

It's Bant, you better go exalted or you're playing Bant EDH.


 No.353940

File: 428aa0a8bc69b3b⋯.jpg (132.55 KB, 410x520, 41:52, __fujiwara_no_mokou_touhou….jpg)

>>353925

I don't mind artifacts tapping for mana since that's been a part of the game for a long time, and they seem to have stuck to 3 CMC for 1 output or 2 CMC for 1 output entering tapped, which is good. I don't want to play a G/x deck and be forced to have all of my ramp produce green, but it isn't OP enough to warrant, say, a U/W ramp deck.

Thing is, though, that artifacts aren't weakening green's ramp. Green's ramp being weakened by green's ramp weakens greens ramp. Look at pic related; you could play it and defend against a one drop your opponent plays (provided that they want to attack with a 1/1 on the ground without gimmicks, which, good luck past round two at FNM) and then tap it next turn for mana but… why? The moment it lasts beyond one turn it starts to lose any real use as a defender you had provided that you actually have use for mana, and the transform ability, for 7 mana, lets you either deal 4 damage a turn or get two fucking colorless mana.

I have nearly the same thoughts on Druid of the Cowl, or the recently reprinted Leaf Gilder. Hell, from one set before we almost had another one with Deathcap Cultivator, but at least someone on R&D had enough sense to stack on conditional Deathtouch so late game it's actually worth 2 CMC (and someone decided that this needs to be rare because it's actually viable ramp so complex for new players).

If you're playing ramp, you want big things quick, and since Wizards has a hateboner against countermagic (since, you know, some kid that couldn't play the one copy of a bulk rare in his deck might not buy any more booster packs!), playing big things quick in an archetype designed to play things quick is just too good. Don't worry though, the designers already have an answer in place; just make all of the normal answers cost 1 generic more. That will keep the tempo almost the same, right? That will fix it all, right?

>>353934

>Unless you have two creatures with 2 or more power, then Exalted is not always useful.

The Exalted on it, though, is just icing on the cake. The thing is practically a BoP without flying, so Bant decks are going to have a use for it anyway.

Compared to Druid of the Anima, there's not much to complain about.


 No.353941

File: a6cfd43dc7b92ad⋯.png (135.55 KB, 223x311, 223:311, uc.png)

>>353940

>Look at pic related

<Post fucking meme instead of card I actually wanted to talk about

I'm a retarded nigger.


 No.354037

>>353940

I definitely wouldn't pay 2 for druid of the anima.

It's a shock that they're making people pay 2 mana for a mnaadork that just gives green.


 No.354039

>>353932

"dies to x" is the worst way to devalue creatures

>>353940

to be fair wizards only supports milquetoast midrange decks anymore for standard. Anything else is a byproduct of missing an interaction like forgetting the rule of no duals AND fetches in the same standard/ saheeli combo


 No.354046

File: 1cd63d6c7c67c47⋯.jpg (77.09 KB, 312x445, 312:445, 20180108.jpg)

>>353941

So there's no more Birdsof Paradise or Llanowar Elf? No more one-mana casting cost mana dorks in standard constructed play? Damn…. that sucketh.


 No.354049

File: ca1811c3b7b5420⋯.jpg (30.74 KB, 223x310, 223:310, Image.ashx.jpg)

>>354039

Dies to First Volley

Pic related so you don't have to look it up


 No.354050

>>354039

A 1 con creature that costs 2cmc dies to a cold and isn't viable anywhere, it's a good argument in this specific case


 No.354055

>>353326

I'm a scrub and a half, so I've never placed top 5 in draft without going red, at least in part.


 No.354062

File: 4abf1f0d7168ad0⋯.jpeg (35.15 KB, 223x310, 223:310, Image.jpeg)

>>354050

I guess, but it's still a shit argument.

Would Deathrite Shaman be playable at cmc2?


 No.354063

>>354062

Surprise surprise, DC has fallen out of favor, but he doesn't really count because he's more a nerfed necropotence than a traditional creature.


 No.354075

File: 29035f3231607f3⋯.jpg (11.7 KB, 228x193, 228:193, 1430010644447.jpg)

>>354046

>A card last reprinted 3.5 years ago disproves my point about standard

What's next, you're going to say that WotC doesn't have a boner for creatures because of Steel Golem?

>>354062

DC serves a fundamentally different role than ramp, though.


 No.354102

File: 0e39b53d748df16⋯.jpg (69.99 KB, 431x450, 431:450, 1435009840357.jpg)

>>354046

>A reprint of 3 years ago

>Hurr they still make manadorks in standard!


 No.354106

File: 92d8b82b143ffbd⋯.png (180.89 KB, 625x626, 625:626, 4bf.png)

>>354102

>>Hurr they still make manadorks in standard!

>Started with reply to post with Eldritch Moon Mana dork attached.


 No.354116

>>354062

I'd play Deathrite Shaman at 2 CMC (1B/G). But I think its worth noting I'd feel like I'm playing a slower deck.


 No.354132

File: 896262ce320d22d⋯.png (202.23 KB, 450x492, 75:82, Memeri.png)

>>354106

The whole point was that green is already losing its ramp and that the current manadorks in standard aren't worth the cost.

You responded with cards last printed 3 years ago.


 No.354153

File: d56fb2a53bc6a3e⋯.jpg (172.95 KB, 265x370, 53:74, 20180122.jpg)

How does Rivals of Ixalan play?


 No.354323

File: 88d8cdc0d4e9f19⋯.jpg (309.55 KB, 1600x1088, 25:17, 20180110.jpg)

-3 to destroy a creature? Seems costly…


 No.354326

>>354323

I think that's the Vraska for the new intro d-ehh I meant planeswalker decks.


 No.354502

File: 7450382f4476d84⋯.jpg (283.66 KB, 1322x1080, 661:540, prodigal-sorcerer.jpg)

>>354326

It is. Also, notice that it's ultimate ability doesn't specify combat damage.


 No.354608

File: 4a4673748c21867⋯.jpg (31.86 KB, 223x310, 223:310, 20180110.jpg)

>>354502

You have been color-shifted….


 No.354611

>>354608

>flavour text

Of course you're looking at ashes, mate. You burnt your fucking eyes out


 No.354660

File: ffe723d8feac973⋯.jpg (34.34 KB, 223x310, 223:310, is.jpg)


 No.354662

File: e4f3db76e12be07⋯.jpg (37.45 KB, 673x586, 673:586, 1475269622326.jpg)

>Mfw I just realized that Elenda, the Dusk Rose needs to go to the grave in order to make her ability trigger

Well fugg, I'd like to build an EDH deck around her but any tips for getting commanders out of the graveyard?

>>354502

>Any damage can kill an opponent

It's not easy to pump her up since you'll need 3 turns but Rakdos ping sounds like fun now.


 No.354664

>>354662

>how do i get creatures back in BW

Are you seriously asking this? Emeria, Phyrexian Reclamation, assorted reanimation spells, Debtors' Knell, Karmic Guide, Nim Deathmantle, the list goes on.


 No.354665

>>354662

Phyrexian Reclamation

Strands of Night (especially if you have a way to recur lands)

Tortured Existence

That's my normal toolbox for B/X recursion, mainly with W so you can Sun Titan the lands back but also bring back the cheaper enchantments and whatever cheap creatures you discard into the graveyard.

Tortured Existence is really good.

>>354664

What he said, except that Debtor's Knell is very expensive cmc-wise. That poor thing also eats Naturalizes like a fatty eats cake.


 No.354668

>>354664

I'm not a graveyard player so I don't know many stables good for a commander deck.

>>354665

Thanks m8, a B/W lifegain tokens grave recursion sounds fun for EDH.


 No.354678

>>354662

Gift of Immortality is probably one of my favorite reanimation cards. I stick it on Kokusho and sac him with Vish every turn.


 No.354711

The vampires should have won the war and reobtained the Sun. They're actually pretty sympathetic compared to the other groups:

Sun Empire: Arrogant fucks who used it to blow up shit yet have the arrogance to act like they are better than everyone with their dinosaur fucking

Pirates: remnants of those who fought against the vampires yet act like they were wronged, greedy fucks murdering and pillaging across the sea

Merfolk: fucking holier-than-thou look at us we're so fucking attached to nature goddamn fish fuckers

Vampires: just want to regain what was stolen from them and end their cursed state. Coincidentally, they're white, unlike the mixed bag with pirates, the not-Incans of the Sun Empire, or fish fuckers like the fish fuckers.

They should have purged the not-Incans who masturbate furiously to dinosaurs and the pirates, making the world a more civilized place


 No.354725

File: c7bf36752244e16⋯.jpg (4.3 KB, 251x241, 251:241, My face is smiling but I'm….jpg)

>>354711

>The vampires who symbolize the ebil Spanish conquisatdores who massacred the goodboi dindu Aztecs lost

Color me surprised.


 No.354733

File: 6f62a167654c0ba⋯.jpg (119.58 KB, 1248x353, 1248:353, 20180109.jpg)

>>354153

>>354711

Multi-color tribal…. YEAH!


 No.354751

>>353273

Diego Brando deck soon.


 No.354882

>>354725

>>354711

Cheer up anons, the vampires actually did win in real life.


 No.354893

>>354882

You guys remember the Baral EDH deck we talked about to shitpost IRL, essentially?

Conquistador Vampire EDH seems like another way to do so. There's Edgar Markov, but he deviates farther from the theme into medieval knight vampires, and besides, the deck will just resemble the normal Edgar deck.

Vona the Butcher seems like the best way to go with this, mainly because of the name.


 No.354897

File: 29e9aa6a6f958d0⋯.jpg (303.91 KB, 1200x969, 400:323, 29e9aa6a6f958d06936e8888c9….jpg)

>>354893

>Vona the Butcher seems like the best way to go with this, mainly because of the name.

What a coincidence - I pulled one of those on release day and ended up building a deck around her.

Essentially it works just the same as B/W lifegain since 7 life builds up rather quickly. Eternity Vessel is one of the best cards you could add in, and Karlov works well.

My playgroup actually likes playing against it.


 No.354945

File: 70d43a88f22a81d⋯.jpg (60.82 KB, 500x667, 500:667, 70d43a88f22a81d43fc897c3ec….jpg)

>Tear up Repeating Barrage at pre-release because I'm never going to use it

>Guy in playgroup: "Why did you do that?"

<"It's hot garbage."

>"But it's a good card."

<"No it isn't."

>"Well, it's good removal for limited, anyway…"

>my fucking face when

I pulled an Immortal Sun and the Summoner that makes guys when she attacks, so I think I'm good for this set besides Sphynx's-Revelation-on-a-commander and the 12/12 Trampler. How did you anons do?


 No.354949

>>354945

Pulled the dated Tilonnali's Summoner, got two 12/12 dinos (one full card art and foil), played black/red pirate and did alright.


 No.354972

>>354897

>>354945

>>354949

>giving money to wizzinga

>in current year+3


 No.355002

File: de978ef07eef562⋯.jpg (43.78 KB, 265x370, 53:74, 20180108.jpg)

File: d18b81c409ea45a⋯.jpg (109.82 KB, 223x311, 223:311, 20180109.jpg)

Why reprint this?


 No.355032

>>355002

For draft and limited obviously.


 No.355035

>>355032

I don't play those formats. How dare they put those in a pack?


 No.355037

File: 8ef2ac2f1e5dac4⋯.gif (1.38 MB, 676x480, 169:120, 8ceca3a961226c453f334f0250….gif)

>>354945

1st place.


 No.355039

File: 742beba257d868b⋯.gif (3.63 MB, 676x480, 169:120, 0491d1bf4648f12dc68334194f….gif)

>>355037

BW vamps, splashed a few dinos. pulled a Legions landing somehow, went all my way, haven't had a release like it since RTR.

Too bad I don't care for standard anymore, prize packs where meh, bootlegged acadamey was the only winner, I'll probably put it in my Nekuzar EDH.


 No.355403

>>355002

Kaladesh rotates out soon, and with it the only G/U dual land to help out Merfolk tribal in Standard.

And speaking of Standard, fuck WotC for once again banning cards in Standard. Emrakul I can understand because it was leading to people just not having fun and games devolving into who resolves Emrakul first. But fucking Rampaging Ferocidons? Because Ramunap Red runs it? Fuck you.


 No.355421

File: 3e2f146b4997f65⋯.gif (466.89 KB, 245x200, 49:40, oh boy.gif)

>>355403

https://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/news/january-15-2018-banned-and-restricted-announcement-2018-01-15

>Finally, we will have another banned and restricted announcement next month on February 12. The timing of this announcement makes it ideal to consider changes based on the results of Pro Tour Rivals of Ixalan, and thus will more than likely focus on Modern


 No.355445

File: 16f0531edf89338⋯.png (139.42 KB, 223x311, 223:311, Image.ashx.png)

File: c88fab4e7566327⋯.png (132.23 KB, 223x311, 223:311, Image.ashx1.png)

File: 1eb9b9f87e2a156⋯.png (138.65 KB, 223x311, 223:311, Image.ashx2.png)

File: 6f7b5d15005700c⋯.png (122.44 KB, 223x311, 223:311, Image.ashx3.png)

>These fucking bans

Remember when they used to let things run rampant before they banned them? I think we're starting to drift towards the League of Legends 'slight alterations based off winrate' style of balancing.

Don't get me wrong, if their statistics are correct then Ramunap Red seems pretty strong, but when a deck is dominant you sideboard hate. Meanwhile Temur Black Energy decks seem to have a slightly-above 50% winrate? And loses against several decks (statistically speaking).

>>355421

Don't worry anon, I'll post the bans for you.


 No.355462

File: e64e9b49b32bb61⋯.gif (2.53 MB, 348x322, 174:161, tenor.gif)

>>355421

>Modern bans

Now don't get me wrong, I don't have a LGS to play currently, but last time I went to one, I managed to finish off Dredge by trading in a bunch of high priced junk to them.

>Literally haven't had a chance to play the deck I broke into a format with

>tfw $200 manabase and $200+ core cards, like any other decent deck in the format

>my exact face when Wizard's does their judge shit, then bans the deck I just built a month from now

Pre-emptively calling it


 No.355472

>>355445

>Ban RR and Ferocidon because tehy do red stuff and make mono red playable

What's next, ban Opt because it's too efficient?


 No.355476

>>355472

I'm glad it's in Modern now, though. I look forward to shitty U/x budget spell decks


 No.355481

>>355472

While we're at it, ban all Standard legal cards since they're all playable in Standard. 60 card decks of nothing but lands.


 No.355484

>>355481

That's too far anon. Just go back to seventh edition where you paid 7 mana for a 6/6.


 No.355485

>>355445

>Don't get me wrong, if their statistics are correct then Ramunap Red seems pretty strong, but when a deck is dominant you sideboard hate.

What hate? Once the dino gets added in and is on the board, all of your hate spits back in your face. It's almost as if making creature removal and countermagic deliberately bad affects the game too haphazardly (imagine that).


 No.355486

>>355484

But I want Mulligan 7 meta, with added dice roll tech.


 No.355490

>>355485

Good point.

They kind of nerfed hate out of the game. Which is funny because this would be a great set for colour hate.


 No.355497

now that the faces of the fictional characters on the cards are diverse, we don't need the actual cards themselves to do diverse things


 No.355503

File: a1b6ea133deaefc⋯.png (120.41 KB, 223x311, 223:311, cleansing ray.png)

File: 7058534b9b9f0f4⋯.png (131.55 KB, 223x311, 223:311, baffling end.png)

>>355490

But anon, there's still plenty of good removal to use against the white Vampires. It's not WotC problem that they made W/B bad to make a political statement and then couldn't see Temur decks still remain unchallenged.

Wouldn't you rather play Treasure instead? Don't you enjoy paying 2 extra for a spell that should cost 2 less just to get some mana later on (because you need mana so dearly after playing a 5 drop 3/4).


 No.355519

>>355503

Jesus christ I just started looking at some of the cards in this set.

>2/2 sap generator for 5 that can give saps +2/+2 if you get 10 permanents

>3/3 for 4 in green that self-mills, then puts lands from your graveyard into play when it dies

>1/1 for 2 that gets a +1/+1 counter in your upkeep if you lost life last turn, and on death gives you life equal to its toughness

>A 5/5 that makes a token copy of itself when it takes damage, for 7

>A 3 mana blue instant speed exile, but the exiled card can be cast without paying its mana cost, meaning its either an expensive unsummon or an expensive flicker

>4 mana planeswalker that has almost no power unless you have about 3 creatures

>The blue elder dinosaur can't be countered but the green one can

>These are all rare

>No UBR pirate

It's like they're not even trying sometimes.


 No.355530

>>355519

>>1/1 for 2 that gets a +1/+1 counter in your upkeep if you lost life last turn, and on death gives you life equal to its toughness

Agreed for most of those, but this one in slower formats can be fun. This was the only guy in limited that I was consistently happy to draw, mostly because spot removal and flat-out kill spells are so shit.


 No.355532

File: 1f7983d244997c7⋯.png (37.77 KB, 318x159, 2:1, ClipboardImage.png)

>>355519

These cards are all great, certainly playable. I'd even run some, I don't see what the problem i—

>They're fucking rare


 No.355535

>>355530

Can you imagine pulling the self-mill as your rare in draft? That'd suck.

>3 cards a turn to attack


 No.355544

File: 93ae69e50d2558b⋯.jpg (116.38 KB, 960x693, 320:231, 20180109.jpg)

File: 59cfaf589a0ebfd⋯.jpg (29.02 KB, 265x370, 53:74, 20180110.jpg)

Is Rivals of Ixalan any good?


 No.355637

>>355544

Anon, look at what you just posted. It's flavorful, yes, and kind of funny, but it's a three drop equipment that just gives you discount Madcap that for a cheap equip cost practically of 1 generic and DESTROYING whatever it's attached to prior. This is a rare. Someone is going to pay $4 and expect something good only to see this crap.


 No.355662

>>355637

It's even worse than Madcap since it only gives you +2/0, costs 1 more and it kills your creature when it gets unequipped.

Pretty good uncommon, horrible rare.


 No.355730

>>355637

>>355662

>Gives evasion

>Enables tribal

>Recurrent threat

Nigga, this is a gamewinner in draft.

If you like cracking boosters, play draft. If you don't like the chance of getting a bad rare, then play constructed


 No.355765

>>355730

If Pirates really matter that much for your deck, chances are you're going to be playing Pirate creatures anyway, giving the creature a type is either redundant or a gimmick.

As far as evasion and recursion are concerned, did you see anybody playing Marrow Bats?


 No.355767

File: 92c70a789a6e741⋯.jpg (29.93 KB, 223x310, 223:310, Image.ashx.jpg)

>>355730

Nobody is saying it isn't at least a decent card, but it isn't a card that is designed around being useful, especially in this day and age where rarity = power.

>There are other methods to give evasion that don't cost 3 + 1 mana

>Even then its menace, which just requires 2 creatures to block instead of 1

>Can't change what creature it is equipped to without destroying your own creature, which is a stupid way to represent the loss of a hand and makes no sense otherwise

>As the other anon said, if you're running pirates, you're running pirates

Honestly, it reminds me of this and can fit a similar niche.


 No.355792

>>355730

You know what really enables pirate tribal?

Actual playable pirate creatures, and not an artifact that makes your creature die to Naturalize.

Your tribal deck is shite if it needs this card to make it work.

Like I said before this isn't a bad card, it's just a horrible rare.

I would play it in limited and draft, but I'd rather have a 3/2 menace for 3 instead of this.


 No.355804

File: bc975659f4e95f4⋯.jpg (70.32 KB, 700x700, 1:1, 20180112.jpg)

File: 961ac83064922dc⋯.jpg (31.52 KB, 300x417, 100:139, 20180111.jpg)

Mfw no Pirate Ship reprint or a Pirate Prodigal Pyromancer (because tap to do 1 damage is over-powered now) /s


 No.355814

>>355804

You idiot, if WotC would print a 1/1 tap-for-1-dmg people would win within 20 turns!


 No.355926

File: 0bd0525091df8be⋯.png (125.57 KB, 223x311, 223:311, Image.ashx.png)

>>355804

You know what? I was going to make a sarcastic post about making a Prodigal creature at 2/1 with 3 CMC for rare, but then it dawned on me, there's an actual reason why they couldn't have reprinted it.

Imagine for a moment if they reprinted it as, say, a rare, but the card right before it in the pack was pic related. A functional reprint or something with Crew 1 and the tap ability would have been cool, but it seems they'd rather just brush this under the rug with Skeleton Ship (which didn't even get erreta'd to "Skeleton Pirates," which would have made for probably the most badass creature type in the game).


 No.356339

File: a8117feee7efa51⋯.jpg (182.48 KB, 1742x947, 1742:947, 20180115.jpg)

is WoTC running out of ideas? This set feels so.. deriative.

The visuals may be different but the gameplay feels like it has been done before.


 No.356354

File: 3d16d4392207a38⋯.jpg (94.07 KB, 265x370, 53:74, lightning_rig_crew_ixalan.jpg)

>>355804

>you can ping players, but pinging creatures is too mean :(


 No.356366

>>356339

I've been telling this as a joke to my friend group but I really believe now that they are/were printing shit-tier cards to bring down the power creep so that they could start going up again after a few blocks.

The fact that they are reprinting faux-cards like the 'new' Blood Moon says enough I kind of like the card though


 No.356371

>>356354

>cast

>0 power

>2R

>players only

This is a fake from a CCT, right?


 No.356381

>>356371

Sadly this is a real uncommon.

I wanted to defend the card because a pirate swarm strategy would be strong with this but then I realized it's a tap ability without haste at turn 3 and tokens entering don't count.


 No.356499

File: 07b51d5c6cfe67d⋯.jpg (32.19 KB, 223x310, 223:310, lobber crew.jpg)

File: 7676be855af5ad0⋯.png (144.9 KB, 223x311, 223:311, thermo alchemist.png)

File: 97d45b3c9b689f7⋯.png (111.63 KB, 223x311, 223:311, nettle drone.png)

>>356381

>>356371

They've been printing cards like these for a while now with "whenever you cast (some gimmick the set revolves around), untap (pinger)"


 No.356500

>>356499

(Sage for double post)

It just so happens that this time around the Pirate one sucks.


 No.356504

>>356499

What's with this shitty fetish for 0 power and players only though


 No.356507

>>356504

>players only

They probably consider their target demographic too dumb to grasp a board state with multiple active 'true' pingers.


 No.356511

>>356499

You're probably not noticing but the pirate pinger is an uncommon instead of a common like they used to be.

This means that WotC is regarding player pingers to be too strong for common.

>>356507

The usefulness of a player-only-pinger would increase if they pinged for 2 to be honest.


 No.356518

File: a340f6b30707554⋯.png (74.95 KB, 214x251, 214:251, 0ff29d612931852eff0bd7f6b8….png)

>>356511

>This means that WotC is regarding player pingers to be too strong for common.

But anon, Thermo-Alchemist probably would have been strong enough for uncommon, so that's the new standard for pingers. Not like Thermo-Alchemist was easier to enable or anything outside of the gimmick this time.


 No.356528

>>356518

Isn't the new standard always set by the latest example?

I'm afraid that 2R uncommon pinger is the new one.


 No.356575

File: a14bf7133217698⋯.png (589.33 KB, 513x415, 513:415, heart of an eagle he flies….PNG)

>>356528

>Isn't the new standard always set by the latest example?

With Murder being uncommon, I hope not.

>>355730

>>355792

>I would play it in limited and draft

>Nigga, this is a gamewinner in draft.

<Defending the Buy-a-Box promo with "it's good in draft"


 No.356582

>>356504

I suppose the logic is with their high toughness and 0 power, you can block attackers and still tap to damage.

But you're in red, so…x


 No.356605

File: b5be2a5077b6f80⋯.jpg (23.08 KB, 243x348, 81:116, 20180124.jpg)

File: e3621700e9c142b⋯.gif (20.27 KB, 343x342, 343:342, 20171298black.gif)

File: f1fa8435ecff128⋯.gif (32.81 KB, 269x100, 269:100, 20171298white.gif)

>>356575

>With Murder being uncommon

I'm sorry, anon. Murder is too strong. Here; have a 4 mana targeted creature removal.


 No.356705

I'm going to a ROI draft in a couple of weeks, any tips on what to pick?


 No.356749

>>356705

A new hobby.


 No.356754

>>356605

Is that DSP getting impaled?


 No.356756


 No.356758

>>356605

>That red 3/3 for 3, menace, prevents lifegain and deals 1 damage to a player when they play a creature is too strong!

>We better ban it!

>Also make 'destroy target creature' 3 mana at uncommon and 4 mana at common.

In all fairness though, why did they print a 3/3 for 3 is red? Not even RRR or 1RR, just 2R. That's green territory.


 No.356772

I'm relatively new to Magic, I've been playing about 3 months now, and I got the Ixalan Deckbuilder's toolkit to start with, I got the Kaladesh Nissa planeswalker deck for extra green love and I'm currently looking at Eldrazi for late-game powerhouses.

So far, I've got a rainbow ramping deck which concentrates half the creatures at 6CMC or more (excluding an Abundant Maw which has Emerge). What should I do next to get better?

I go to FNM every week or so, but lately I've been getting wiped by Pirates in standard when I play Dinos, and last week I got demolished by a guy who looped to get near-infinite mana on turn 3 (around 40 split between red and blue) he could have gone higher, and used Storm/Grapeshot to target me 30 times for 30 damage.


 No.356775

>>356754

BUGGED SWORD MECHANICS

>>356772

>What should I do next to get better

Stop playing. The game is made by pedo apologists and faggots, and every dollar you spend on it is a dollar given to degeneracy.


 No.356777

>>356772

>What should I do next to get better?

If you care about playing mtg get on xmage, if you care about the company pick a different hobby


 No.356782

>>356777

I just got Xmage and started planning my deck, my current deck is just under half-land with massive amounts of ramp with things like Chart a Course and Swell of Growth, alongside Ranging Raptors, hopefully building up to get things like Twin Desolator and Breaker of Armies out, casting them with Savage Summoning if I draw well.


 No.356795

Hooktube embed. Click on thumbnail to play.

>>356758

The raptoor is fucking stupid and should never have been printed in the first place. Creatures with powerful 0-risk abilities that 100% a mistake. You would think WotC learned their lesson from the Thragtusk era but nope.


 No.356797

>>356758

>On-curve is green territory

U wot m8?

>>356772

>Storm/Grapeshot

Well there's your problem, you're playing Standard against Modern.


 No.356801

>>356782

I'm sorry I don't speak faggot, have you tried not playing standard?


 No.356834

>>356797

>>356801

I don't think Eldrazi is Standard, I just mixed some standard in there because it's what I have.


 No.356842

File: 92feafbeec2d9a1⋯.jpg (165.49 KB, 401x605, 401:605, 1431233733253.jpg)

>>356834

>Plays Eldrazi

>Lists only Eldrazi that could be obtained recently

Even if it isn't standard by, like, one or two rotations, you still don't have enough of a card pool to do anything as crazy as Storm with.

Storm itself is one of the most broken mechanics of the game, and one WotC never want to print again. Countering it through countermagic though, involves either countering triggered abilities (such as what puts the storm copies on the stack), or using a card like Summary Dismissal or Counterflux that can wipe everything on the stack. Alternatively, prevent yourself from being a valid target to Grapeshot or prevent damage altogether.

If some faggot is playing Modern or an eternal format, use cards from Modern or an eternal format to beat him or, better yet because Storm is cancer, call him a faggot and ask he play Standard.


 No.356855

File: dee3d1006a4cfb8⋯.png (140.14 KB, 223x311, 223:311, Image.ashx.png)

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>>356797

>3/3 for 3

>on curve for red

Y'know anon I thought maybe I was just being an old dinosaur and that the new hip way to play magic was for red to have 3/3's on turn 3, but I looked it up and wouldn't you know all the 3/3's red can access on turn 3 are either multi-colour or have a drawback like 'can't block' or 'must attack'.

Here are the exceptions.

>Two are Creatures: The Attacking era cards and cost 1RR and are uncommon

>One is Commander only

>Countryside Crusher can mana screw you if you play it on curve


 No.356862

>>356842

>Lists only Eldrazi that could be obtained recently

Have you seen the cost of decent Zendikar Block Eldrazi?

I am getting two Eldrazi Devastators and an Ulamog's Crusher though.


 No.356872

File: 5e9eba2c7556529⋯.png (453.29 KB, 640x480, 4:3, Sonic how many hecks are y….png)

>>356855

>have a drawback like 'can't block'

<in red

I bet you think Mogg Flunkies is a bad card because you won't ever be attacking with more than one creature in aggro.

>>356862

>Have you seen the cost of decent Zendikar Block Eldrazi?

Welcome to Magic. Bants aside, though, at least you're looking outside of standard, which is good. Understanding why the cards are so expensive, though, besides "because they're really freakin' good" will make you a better player than just shelling out your wallet to get a playset.


 No.356877

>>356862

Why? Why own any overpriced cardboard if you can play on the internet for free? You're clearly out of money prize range


 No.356878

>>356872

>But its not a drawback to my strategy!

Not being able to block is a drawback to a card. I don't know why you would try to argue that it isn't. 3/3 for 3 in red with no drawback is new era power creep.


 No.356879

>>356842

>better yet because Storm is cancer, call him a faggot and ask he play Standard.

Get fucking mad nigger. Storm is fun as shit and if you're still losing to it then you need to git gud.

>Gaddock Teeg

>AEthersworn Canonist

>Sanctum Prelate

>Rule of Law

>Silence

>Eidolon of the Great Revel

>Pyrostatic Pillar

>any pinpoint discard

>any well-timed countermagic

>Chalice of the Void

WotC claims that they never want to print another Storm card because it is fundamentally broken within the rules of the game, but they inevitably will because so many people love it.

I am going to keep trying to resolve Mind's Desire for 10. Stop me if you can.


 No.356881

File: ae30b622e60be16⋯.jpg (74.03 KB, 480x608, 15:19, ae30b622e60be169e8a88d7ec0….jpg)

>>356878

>>But its not a drawback to my strategy!

>Attacking isn't a strategy in red

>>356879

>Get fucking mad nigger. Storm is fun as shit and if you're still losing to it then you need to git gud.

Who are you talking to? I already listed my methods for handling it. Just because I don't lose it doesn't mean that I enjoy watching someone sit and masturbate with his deck for literally five minutes before taking my next turn.

>>Gaddock Teeg

>Stopping Grapeshot or Brain Freeze

>>Silence

Confirmed doesn't know how storm decks work.

>it is fundamentally broken within the rules of the game

…No. It's fundamentally sound within the rules. You play a spell, a triggered ability goes on the stack copying that spell, then you treat it like playing Fork on a large scale. It's looked down on because for accessibility it's difficult for new players to deal with and easy to scale out of control.

>they inevitably will because so many people love it.

Unless power creep rises back to Urza-block levels or it's so expensive that it isn't usable, we won't see it in a standard set again.

>I am going to keep trying to resolve Mind's Desire for 10. Stop me if you can.

Summary Dismissal


 No.356883

>>356881

That's not what I said. I said not being able to block is a drawback. I don't know why this is such a difficult concept to you.

A 3/3 goblin for 2R that cannot block is objectively worse than a 3/3 goblin for 2R that can.


 No.356891

>>356881

>Summary Dismissal

4 mana counterspells aren't even playable in EDH.

>Brainfreeze

Is this High Tide? Because they're not getting off any Time Spirals, Turnabouts or Blue Sun's until they Snap it.

>Grapeshot

If they can naturally get Storm 20 then you have bigger problems.

By "fundamentally broken" I mean there is no real way to balance it. Hell people had no problem wrecking scrubs with Dragonstorm and that costs 9.


 No.356895

>>353173

As a big fan of Azorius, I'm surprised at my surprise that he turned out to be a sphinx.


 No.356896

>>353688

>The city's blessing.

The what?


 No.356897

>>356896

It's a meme flag, like an emblem, except it will never be used again

https://mtg.gamepedia.com/City%27s_Blessing


 No.356920

>>356883

>I don't know why this is such a difficult concept to you.

I don't know what's so difficult about you understanding that for all of the use "can't block" is going to be relevant, the "drawback" might as well be "your maximum hand size is seven."

>>356891

>4 mana counterspells aren't even playable in EDH.

Rewind and Dismiss would like a word with you. Besides, if that was too slow, there's always Stifle.

>Because they're not getting off any Time Spirals, Turnabouts or Blue Sun's until they Snap it.

The fuck are you talking about?

>If they can naturally get Storm 20 then you have bigger problems.

Again, confirmed to have never played against storm decks outside of kitchen table.

Let's look at your example for comparison to Grapeshot for a moment since I know you don't actually play against Storm. You cast Mind's Desire for 10, and ask me to stop you. I look at you baffled because you overlooked one thing: your deck is filled with so much vapid shit that you were able to play 10 spells that evidently haven't killed me, so Mind's Desire kicks off and you get 6 more spells that don't do anything and 4 lands out of it.

Storm decks would rather use Grapeshot because once they kick off (which, if they can't reach 20 spells, means that the deck is built poorly), it will kill unless immediately answered to and they don't need to sprinkle in a bunch of gimmicky fatties in order to gamble hitting them with a card that isn't playable outside of EDH.


 No.356925

>>356895

>founder of sphinx run guild that has man sphinx's working in it turns out to be a sphinx

you have only yourself to blame


 No.356928

>>356920

A red deck could get into a circumstance where they need a 3/3 to block to stop them from losing the game where attacking will not win them the game.

It is a drawback.


 No.356930

>>356928

If a red deck is in a position where they need an immediate answer to a creature otherwise they are going to lose, but they can't attack the next turn and win, chances are that the opponent has enough momentum that they're going to win anyway. This is the color that had, and continues to have cards with effects along the lines of "take an extra turn, then after that you lose the game."


 No.356935

File: ae2bd0189dddaf8⋯.png (11.89 KB, 500x294, 250:147, 1435229628503.png)

>>356930

>Red will never get into a circumstance where they need to block to win a game

This is the basis of your fucking argument.


 No.356939

File: 8bf1c300f57813a⋯.png (875.23 KB, 621x526, 621:526, wut.PNG)

>>356935

>blocking with creatures wins games

This is the basis of your argument.


 No.356946

File: 21bbd72611845c5⋯.jpg (101.78 KB, 600x312, 25:13, notlistening.jpg)

>>356939

There are dozens of circumstances that blocking can win you the game. Blocking with something that deals damage on death. Blocking so that your opponents creatures are tapped and you can swing through. Blocking and drawing a burn spell to shave off those last few points of life. Blocking to trade a bigger, scarier creature for a less valuable creature.

Pic related. It's you.


 No.356950

File: f497b025aa8ec1f⋯.png (198.25 KB, 243x348, 81:116, ClipboardImage.png)

>>356946

You forgot blocking so that your enemy has to sac permanents.


 No.356954

File: ca5d08d67b7352c⋯.jpg (90.62 KB, 200x350, 4:7, 1413121178364.jpg)

>>356946

Just shut the fuck up already, you stupid nigger.

>Blocking with something that deals damage on death

Unless you're explicitly talking about Goblin Arsonist or a creature with death mattering, then that's irrelevant. You're talking about vanilla creatures or creatures without anything listed of the sort, which is a retarded non-sequitur. That's no different than saying Healing Salve is good because you can play it on instant speed, and some instants can win you the game sometimes.

>Blocking so that your opponents creatures are tapped and you can swing through

If your opponent's creatures are alive after you blocked them with a 3/3, then chances are your 3/3 is dead, so you're not going to win the game anyway. For being the one quick to get cute with accusing me of going "lalala not listening," you haven't sat down and demonstrated that you know anything about momentum and board state, which red post-Legacy wants to keep pressured otherwise it's going to lose anyway.

If something on your opponent's board can be stopped by a 3/3, likewise, then there's no reason not to have bolted it.

>Blocking and drawing a burn spell to shave off those last few points of life.

<It's good because you can topdeck something to win

Unless you play Blue, topdecking does not matter. If you're in a situation where your only strategy is to gamble that you don't draw a land or a copy of the creature that, evidently, didn't save you, then you're bad at the game.

>Blocking to trade a bigger, scarier creature for a less valuable creature.

If your opponent willingly swings into a 3/3 with a 2/3, they're either 1) planning on using a combat trick, 2) not attacking alone, thus the point is moot since either your opponent has swarmed you by then with enough tokens that they don't care about losing one, accompanying it with a fatty that you're letting go through for some reason, or something of lesser power, which, realistically, wasn't much a threat in that case, 3) your opponent's gameplan either involves that creature dying for an effect or that creature wasn't critical to winning the game.

>Pic related. It's you.

<"Y-You're not listening to me being retarded, so you're close-minded!"

Go back to reddit.

>>356950

Who the fuck is going to play a 7-drop with 5 toughness for defense? The only block you're going to get out of that is with turn one, then otherwise you're retarded if you don't swing out with it every turn to either drop your opponent's life by 8 (which should be lethal range by turn 7) or give it !not! Annihilator 1. Besides, that's a bad example since Ixalan already gave a counter-part in Storm Flet Arsonist that's cheaper and Rivals gave a 5-toughness dinosaur that costs 1 less that's more usable.


 No.356958

>>356954

Personally, I'd equip it with Tillonali's Crown, a Dual Shot, Rile, Boar Umbra and Entangler in the ideal scenario.

Block everything, take the damage and remove Boar Umbra instead of dying, remove 4 permanents that turn.


 No.356962

File: 22d68269040e822⋯.jpg (29.32 KB, 223x310, 223:310, Image.ashx.jpg)

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>>356954

It's a good thing there are no cards that exist that limit the ability to attack, or you would be completely wrong, on top of all the things you were already wrong about.

That would be really embarrassing for you anon.


 No.356965

File: a82da1c93d83bbe⋯.jpg (2.14 MB, 2090x3000, 209:300, a82da1c93d83bbe175ed940afc….jpg)

>>356958

Ideal maybe, but that's 6 cards plus land just to make them lose 4 things, and if your opponent has bounce or another answer to the Umbra, it won't make that much of a difference. Good removal doesn't ask for a lot of resources for good amount of killing power, hence Fatal Push is going for at least $6 still. Besides, once you have the Crown on the Silverclad, you don't really need to do much else besides beat face in, since their option is to either sac something, throw a lot of things under the bus to die, or lose half of their life. Since you mentioned Entangler, though, it looks like you're branching out of Standard a bit, so look up Temur Battle Rage and shit yourself giggling.

>>356962

Give it a rest already.

>It's a good thing there are no cards that exist that limit the ability to attack

How does that relate to anything to do with blocking in red?

Since you want to talk about white, though, instead of making another autistic non-answer, answer one question: is Healing Salve good?

>Vow of Duty

Way to miss the point of that card entirely…

>on top of all the things you were already wrong about.

<literally notlistening.jpg

Go back to reddit.


 No.356968

File: 2fd48625fd67b5a⋯.jpg (70.23 KB, 600x746, 300:373, dog.jpg)

>>356965

>How does that relate to anything to do with blocking in red

>Blocking is a drawback

I guess when you're as stupid as you are its hard to keep track of a conversation that is happening in a linear back and forth manner, but you can't comprehend that your opponent might swing with multiple creatures and trade a 3/3 for a 3/3 so I can't expect you to fathom how not being able to block when your attack is restricted is a drawback.

Like, seriously, you read the word 'trade' and assumed your opponent was attacking a 2/3 into a 3/3. What kind of retard thinks that is a 'trade'? Or do you want me to autistically disseminate each shitty point of your post like you do every time someone points out how stupid you are? Because if you want, I can try to be as autistic as you are.


 No.356971

File: 010f6f30ed3d825⋯.jpg (61.75 KB, 437x437, 1:1, 010f6f30ed3d825da532db6369….jpg)

>>356968

Is Healing Salve good? Answer me that.


 No.356972

File: bdc4581eac7e19b⋯.jpg (25.48 KB, 561x541, 561:541, bottledog.jpg)

>>356971

Seek help.


 No.356973

File: 92a4038a1a16b92⋯.png (820.18 KB, 638x694, 319:347, 92a4038a1a16b92508b0f91c76….png)

>>356972

Why are you avoiding the question? Is Healing Salve good, or not?


 No.356974

File: 121215b24ade735⋯.jpg (65 KB, 589x547, 589:547, trying.jpg)

>>356973

Dude you're taking this way too seriously. Take, like, half an hour to do something to chill, calm down and come back and reread over the conversation.


 No.356976

File: 0fd71181f658a38⋯.gif (408.98 KB, 400x296, 50:37, 53065a40dd7dcfd957e6eea58f….gif)

>>356974

Is Healing Salve good, or not? Are you unable to answer that?


 No.356977

>>356976

Sure bro, when you come up with a decent response for >>356968

I'm sure you'll enlighten me.


 No.356979

File: 0efeb923f47a84e⋯.jpg (4.96 KB, 125x125, 1:1, smug sanae.jpg)

>>356977

Since >>356968 didn't have an answer at all for when I first asked about Healing Salve, the onus is on you to answer my question first.


 No.356980

File: 33247060a257dbf⋯.jpg (19.2 KB, 300x300, 1:1, thing.jpg)

>>356979

It really isn't. I made a statement, that not being able to block is a drawback, and supported it with countless evidence. You threw theoretical circumstances that supported you while ignoring theoretical circumstances that contradicted you.

I don't have to answer your question because you refuse to supply a rebuttal. Nice internet arguing by the way. Deflect from the actual argument so you don't actually have to face that you're wrong.

Post smug animus all day. I'm immunized.


 No.356981

File: 3ecda6884cd90f6⋯.png (582.19 KB, 610x570, 61:57, koishi has no idea what is….png)

>>356980

>I made a statement,

I made a statement too.

From >>356965

>instead of making another autistic non-answer, answer one question: is Healing Salve good?

You've put in more work avoiding the question than just giving a simple yes/no. I can't possibly wonder why.


 No.356982

File: fffac9452ba985c⋯.png (257.7 KB, 479x349, 479:349, uh.png)

>>356981

You can't be that dense.


 No.356983

File: d9d14d21fb7d238⋯.jpg (119.13 KB, 1191x670, 1191:670, parthanaax.jpg)

>>356982

If you wish me to answer your question, you must answer mine.


 No.356984

File: 63483a9125a35a9⋯.jpg (41 KB, 500x421, 500:421, 1459207575352.jpg)

>>356983

nah

I know I'm right. You're fishing for a way in.


 No.357007

File: 2cc7d0e4ade1051⋯.jpg (71.94 KB, 1000x866, 500:433, lalala-I-cant-hear-you-100….jpg)

>>356984

Pic related: you


 No.357009

File: 37063658316a16a⋯.gif (78.92 KB, 600x450, 4:3, 1389636264992.gif)

File: 2449d997670e57b⋯.png (47.46 KB, 920x471, 920:471, ClipboardImage.png)

So I've made a 100 card deck, does anyone have advice on how to make this more reliable while trimming it down?

To break it down for you, I have 33 Lands, 20 Instants, 9 Enchantments, 4 Sorceries, 6 Artifacts, 28 Creatures

The deck has an average mana cost of 2.9 if you include lands and 4.3 if you don't, thus my heavy investment in 3/4CMC cards.


 No.357011

I forgot to mention in >>357009 that the red boxes are simply what hasn't arrived in the post yet.


 No.357017

>>356920

>Again, confirmed to have never played against storm decks outside of kitchen table.

Exfuckingscuse me, but I'm not the one pretending shit like Summary Dismissal has actual text. Or that Brainfreeze is played in anything but Legacy High Tide as a secondary win condition.

>isn't playable outside of EDH

Being banned or restricted in every constructed format will do that to you.

The fact that you cite Grapeshot and not Tendrils of Agony as the preferred kill makes me think that YOU'VE never played against Storm. But then I should have known that, seeing as you think a 4 mana reactive spell will do anything Silence is admittedly shit, but 1 mana is a lot less than 2UU


 No.357043

File: 384fc5c447840ac⋯.jpg (20.61 KB, 273x341, 273:341, russia intensifies.jpg)

>>357017

>I'm not the one pretending shit like Summary Dismissal has actual text

I like how you're getting so triggered about me calling your bluff that you forgot that this card was run when Emrakul, the Promised End was legal in Standard.

>Or that Brainfreeze is played in anything but Legacy High Tide as a secondary win condition.

Color me shocked, a storm card gets played in a deck that plays a lot of useless spells? It's almost as if it's relevant. Imagine that…

>Being banned or restricted in every constructed format will do that to you.

Ain't like it was explicitly banned for Modern. You've confused about Mind's Desire having relevance in most storm decks verses legacy unless you think Black Lotus is also legal in Modern.

>The fact that you cite Grapeshot and not Tendrils of Agony as the preferred kill makes me think that YOU'VE never played against Storm

I like how you're trying to pass t

his garbage off, but the whole point of you sitting here being autistically triggered is about me calling your cancer 'cancer' when talking to someone who got killed by Grapeshot.

I've seen the four-drop kill spell. I've seen the two-drop kill spell. I've even seen the Brainfreeze variants against Izzet storm decks. Which do you think I've seen more of to leave a blue open?

>But then I should have known that, seeing as you think a 4 mana reactive spell will do anything

<"A spell that counters things is reactive, therefore it is bad"

<People have never played 4 CMC countermagic. Dismiss and Rewind were never printed or used

<I didn't mention Stifle

Give it a rest already, you sperging retard.


 No.357095

>>357043

>Standard cards are relevant against eternal decks

Well shit no wonder you lost.

You realize the reason I brought up High Tide is because you said Teeg is irrelevant against Brainfreeze, right? The only deck that actually runs Brainfreeze absolutely has to answer Teeg.

>Ain't like it was explicitly banned for Modern. You've confused about Mind's Desire having relevance in most storm decks verses legacy unless you think Black Lotus is also legal in Modern.

I need you to clarify this. I guarantee if you were allowed to play more than one copy in Legacy or Vintage that Mind's Desire would see play once Shops stops kicking everyone's shit in at least

>counterspells again

The point is that you don't want to even give them the chance to cast their wincon. If they can generate a lethal storm count then there's a fair chance they can find some manner of protection, and if you've been leaving Islands untapped for the last 3 turns then there's no way they're going to go for it without trying to rip your hand apart.


 No.357099

File: 089fdb0cb7ec3f9⋯.gif (2.09 MB, 580x433, 580:433, into the trash it goes.gif)

>>357095

>>Standard cards are relevant against eternal decks

>Well shit no wonder you lost.

<Storm only exists in Legacy

I'm not going to even bother reading the rest of your post.


 No.357197


 No.357235

File: 5297dd54a079ede⋯.jpg (30.67 KB, 223x310, 223:310, gainsay.jpg)


 No.357244

File: a7d7e9cb2c64ef1⋯.jpg (28.64 KB, 375x523, 375:523, g8m8.jpg)


 No.357257

File: 965495b9345ea76⋯.gif (1.94 MB, 282x223, 282:223, its time to stop posting.gif)


 No.357699

File: e0d129bf0c101b7⋯.jpg (19.35 KB, 223x311, 223:311, 20180125.jpg)

Did Wizards do right by dino-tribal decks?


 No.357705

File: b77800efb60376a⋯.jpg (119.02 KB, 600x699, 200:233, 61602d90199f8bdaae125bc9f8….jpg)

>>357699

Yes, at the cost of almost everything else.


 No.357896

>>357699

So it's a strictly better Akroma, but without haste?


 No.357947

>>357896

Not quite. It doesn't have protection, so it can still be blocked by black and red, and giving it 4 on double strike means that -X hoses it twice as efficiently. Angel as a type also has its own support as well that lasts beyond the dinosaur gimmick.




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