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File: 897999c91404f07⋯.png (5.54 MB, 1623x2119, 1623:2119, Hall of Speakers.png)

 No.353250

The old thread has gone past 500 posts. It can be found here: >>347762

If you want to talk about out-of-game politics for /tg/ games, you post it here instead of shitting up the board by making another thread.

 No.353280

>>353233

Key points to really emphasize up front before info dumping on anyone, just in case you're not the only guy making an infographic

>MtG holds numerous sanctioned/official events, sometimes several in a week at game stores

>Most of these events are big deals for the stores that hold them (as they create incentive to sell more cardboard)

>Official MtG events require judges there to act as referee and make sure the rules are being followed

>Being a judge is a volunteer position, but there is a certification process which determines what sort of events a Judge is allowed to oversee

>Becoming a Cerifified MtG judge requires no background check, nor are judges required to report if they've been convicted of certain crimes upon applying

>Wizards of the Coast, the company which makes MtG, claims to be very strict about their code of conduct for events and competitive play, even going to far as to issue lifetime bans over relatively minor incidents.

>In spite of this, WotC does nothing to uphold the same level of professionalism in their judges, who attend numerous events as part of the Judge Program and as representatives of the community

>Several high level judges have been discovered to have sexual assault charges, some involving minors, amongst other serious crimes

>In some cases, this went unnoticed and completely unaddressed by WotC for years


 No.353325

File: a025db1b2a53ff5⋯.jpg (15.07 KB, 255x255, 1:1, piccolo's out.jpg)

>derailing the politics thread with RPGshit


 No.353329

>>353325

Derailing it with the same old caster supremacy discussion we've had for years now. Makes me wonder if some of these posts aren't just copy-pasta'd from cuckchan. We know that there's faggots who are constantly watching both /pol/'s to try and mobilize counter-ops and disruption tactics. We also know that there's a definite SJW presence on cuck/tg/ that's trying to derail any thread about the topic of WotC and their pedo judges. They mass-flagged Unsleeved's channel after he put out his first video about pedos and rapists going un-banned from MtG.

That might be a bit too paranoid, but I have to wonder what kind of dumb sacks of shit would do this. Do cuckchan rapefugees not even read the OP before hurrying to post in a thread?


 No.353344

File: 195663133469063⋯.png (2.59 KB, 324x451, 324:451, inhales.png)

http://archive.is/weZv6

Next time, I'm just handing out bans.


 No.353346

>>353344

For what? The link is broken


 No.353347

>>353346

Works fine for me. Try refreshing?


 No.353438

What are some good western board games or RPG's beyond GURPS that aren't pozzed?


 No.353440

File: 3f10b343a24c07b⋯.jpg (568.69 KB, 1460x897, 1460:897, 20170818_212945_HDR.jpg)

>>353438

The stuff Crafty Games makes is relatively free of any kool-aid stains. I know personally that one of the designers behind it can be a bit of a lefty windbag and spends too much time on facebook whining about Trump, but Fantasy Craft and the Mistborn RPG are both devoid of any gender politics or grandstanding about the hobby being a tool for womyn of color to fight the patriarchy or any shit like that. Unfortunately, that might be the line in the sand you have to draw: A minimal amount of political whining, kept a respectable distance away from the product.


 No.353444

>>353438

For RPG's your stuck with most things written suitably far in the past and MYFAROG. Board games are a different beast since Asmodée has been consolidating the major board games companies (they merged with Fantasy Flight, Days of Wonder, and bought the rights to Catan). These are too big not to virtue signal. Independent companies mostly sell niche products and don't need to signal because normalfags aren't their market. However independent stuff can still have designers who drank the koolaid, so do your research if it's important to you.


 No.353445

>>353444 checked.

>>353440

Thanks


 No.353449

File: 1cb79a0134c74f0⋯.jpg (36.02 KB, 613x390, 613:390, Capture.JPG)

File: 362340abd358999⋯.jpg (52.43 KB, 786x895, 786:895, b95f13839ebe6049ae4b99ad82….jpg)

Pedos of the coast went international apparently.

This one looks like Kurt Ichenwald lol

http://archive.is/ES9m7


 No.353451

File: fe4b846eadc6492⋯.png (14.46 KB, 594x81, 22:3, ClipboardImage.png)

File: a1b354136fa6833⋯.png (261.09 KB, 312x445, 312:445, ClipboardImage.png)


 No.353459

>>353451

pfffffff


 No.353461

http://archive.is/Jzraw

http://archive.is/58uAU

>WotC banned 140 people on January 4

>almost doubling the DCI suspended list

Thankfully someone knew how to archive. It seems very suspicious to me. Has anyone researched the people mass banned? It's feels like damage control, but are they banning sex offenders or people who disagree with them?


 No.353474

File: e0227a2b1f370bd⋯.jpg (117.99 KB, 987x559, 987:559, DSzd6KyU8AEVEwi.jpg)

Took me 40 minutes to stop laughing.


 No.353477

>>353474

Now this is clever.. Hadn't considered using question and answer sites to sow the meme seeds to get the public wondering about this sort of thing.


 No.353479

File: 60df9a727aab0f6⋯.png (104.77 KB, 540x861, 180:287, Screenshot_2018-01-05-18-2….png)

>>353461

Am I reading this wrong or are you just blind? Because only 2 of these bans are dated 2018. Going to the mothership shows 9 DCI bans filed on January 2nd.


 No.353481

>>353479

The archive only has the first page. Read the bottom for the total number of bans.


 No.353565

>>353438

>stuff that isn't pozzed

It kinda depends on your definition. I'd say most games that were made few years ago are pretty safe. On the other hand, some people would argue that stuff like WoD, most fantasy and everything cyberpunk related was always pozzed.


 No.353574

>>353438

Honestly I feel like the best solution would be to make our own at this point.

I'm working on a couple of games myself, but progress is slow.


 No.353584

File: b6ec1c6e68fe49b⋯.png (670.89 KB, 540x747, 60:83, ClipboardImage.png)

>>353444

>>353438

>non pozzed

>written suitably far in the past

I guess there's a lot of older games that aren't pozzed. You could give Mazes & Minotaurs a try. It's old, doesn't seem pozzed and it's free.

http://mazesandminotaurs.free.fr/

I haven't really read it yet. It's the next thing on my list.

>MYFAROG

That's what reminded me of M&M, since that also has the Vikings & Valkyries alternate setting. I'm currently reading through MYFAROG. Sorry, but so far I really don't see why people love it so much.


 No.353592

>>353574

Self-publishing and digital distribution is easier than ever these days. Although, formatting and designing books for PDFs is kind of a whole 'nother set of skills unto itself… But that shouldn't stop anyone from trying. There's no reason we can't have more games and systems.


 No.353596

>>353584

>MYFAROG

People like it because Varg wrote it (to educate his very young children in basic sums and scand history) and because of muh vikings.

It has too narrow a focus to have broad appeal I think.


 No.353599

>>353325

More than 1 reason to derail a thread mate. Maybe someone got some info spoiled they would like to keep out of the public eye


 No.353603

>>353440

Don't support these people at all. It doesn't matter if they interject the content into the game. The fact that they're making enough money to spend time on facebook spreading leftism is a problem. Don't enable it.

>>353461

They're all 6 months bans which is weird.

>>353592

Problem is getting any where. It's a shit load of work and then if no one even touches it why did you bother?

>>353584

Varg is a NEET larper on youtube. He has his little e celeb cult who shill it for him. Take it for what it is.


 No.353606

File: 1adc0f2d9d15153⋯.png (68.8 KB, 398x156, 199:78, greeks.PNG)

>>353596

It actually has a very broad focus, in my opinion to its detriment. In the default setting almost every culture of Europe is somehow represented in what's supposed to be a small slice of scandinavia, pic related. The whole game suffers from being too political because it comes off as very forced. It's about european mythology but instead of a golden age it presents a land wracked with the same problems as modern europe.

>>353584

I like it because the combat just feels right to me. It's very crunchy and seems grounded in reality, but it's not unplayable.

>>353603

>using larper as an insult on /tg/

I don't have a smug enough anime girl for this

In other news, Unsleeved Media is up to 12 sex offenders with no end in sight. People are starting to meme it towards normalfags. I saw a post on one of the many question forums about how to protect your children from predators at MtG events. Normalfags already have a stereotype of gamers being creepy hambeasts so it shouldn't be hard to push that angle.


 No.353607

>>353603

>The fact that they're making enough money to spend time on facebook spreading leftism is a problem.

I can tell you that they do not make enough money. The company is only a couple guys and neither of them have any kind of social media reach or strong online presence. It's more like watching your parents whine about what they heard on the news on facebook, rather than some marxist professor telling you that chromosomes don't determine sex.


 No.353609

>>353606

Larper has always been an insult. If you weren't such a larper yourself you would know in the hierarchy of nerds larpers are seen as equal to furries.


 No.353619

>>353609

But that's wrong you fucking retard


 No.353621

>>353619

Fuck off larper. There has never been a point where running round a wood with a foam sword hasn't been incredibly lame and mocked.


 No.353622

>>353619

But he's right, the only people lower than LARPers are Harry Potter and Warhammer 40k fans.


 No.353623

>>353622

Does Harry Potter fans also include superwholock fans?


 No.353624

File: 95ec70aea6bf7df⋯.gif (148.85 KB, 1024x595, 1024:595, geeks.gif)

>>353623

>>353622

The whole doctor who/harry potter thing is relatively new and isn't accounted for in the hierarchy since they're not permanent residence.

People who read sci fi are higher than people who watch sci fi. People who watch Trek are over those who watch wars.

This chart isn't great but it gives a nice rough estimation of where stuff sits.

I would consider the doctor who types to be 1 step above furries but then they could also just be thrown into the erotic fanfiction grouping.


 No.353627

>>353474

Honestly without that very last sentence this could easily be a legitimate comment.

>>353624

>People who watch Trek are over those who watch wars.

Star Wars is pretty much normalfag tier. Trekkies are definitely less "geeky" at this point, no matter how they want to delude themselves.

>>353596

>>353606

MYFAROG has a combat system which sits in an uncomfortable boundary between a games like Rolemaster and your standard OSR in regards to crunch - something that lacks the freeform nature of the games Varg wanted to emulate, but not complex enough to be meme-worthy.

Setting-wise, it doesn't draw a lot of appeal because of Varg's focus on "high-born" individuals in the fluff. The pro-aristocrat tone is a very strong contrast to the fantasy that most people like - the "common man's hero" who rises up to save his people. That's setting aside the racial/gender problems that tend to rile up normalfags - real autists focus on portrayals of socioeconomic classes.


 No.353630

>>353627

This was pre-geek fad. Basically it means loser in this context.


 No.353631

File: 04148b5d0f78843⋯.jpg (45.83 KB, 411x512, 411:512, Martel.jpg)

>>353627

>real autists focus on portrayals of socioeconomic classes.

Only the unwashed proletarian "autists". The real elite autisté knows full well to appreciate heroic spirit inherent in the superior classes of man.


 No.353633

>>353619

*unsheathes nerf bat*

*waddles behind you*

I'm with you brother


 No.353637

>>353627

>>353630

Correction:

>Trekkies are MORE "geeky" at this point

>>353631

The elite are scum, and have always been scum. Their role has always been leech off the masses and send them to their deaths for the sake of settling petty squabbles, to foul themselves genetically through inbreeding or else create a foreign bloodline with no ties to the land they govern, to mismanage the lands under their protection resulting in famines and civil strife, and to engage in wanton sin for the sake of self-pleasure.

The common man on the other hand is physically and mentally tough from his hard labors, capable of proper animal and agricultural husbandry for the sake of feeding himself, in tune with both the natural world around him and the God in heaven through work and prayer, and so competent in his tools that me might match a noble-born in combat with no more than field equipment.


 No.353639

File: 082ba5675c52eb2⋯.png (Spoiler Image, 39.59 KB, 737x349, 737:349, ClipboardImage.png)

>>353624

As an erotic furry, I have enough decency to keep it to myself, except when topical (such as when discussing pic related).

Otherwise, I'd fall into videogames/anime subtitled groups.


 No.353640

>>353637

>for the sake of settling petty squabbles

You misspelled "genetic hygiene".


 No.353641

>>353639

Still ovenworthy.


 No.353643

>>353641

But sex toys aren't for baking!


 No.353652

File: 7235c39ef43ef2e⋯.jpg (18.75 KB, 210x321, 70:107, eshygddt.jpg)

>>353637

I'd suggest you try to wrangle your copy of the communist manifesto out from the cum-stained depths of your colon and then take a less biased look at history.


 No.353655

>>353639

>erotic furry

>only a 6" dildo

You're only starting out, aren't you?


 No.353665

File: 6dcd4daeff746eb⋯.jpg (11.54 KB, 255x255, 1:1, 1469827972062-2.jpg)

>>353652

>anti-elite = commie

>implying any authoritarianism is good

The absolute state of monarcucks, everyone.


 No.353666

>>353655

I've been on FA for maybe 8 years, but I don't have an OC. I bought a few dragon dildos a number of years ago, but it's been number of years since I used them.


 No.353667

>>353666

How many dildos, dragon or otherwise, could a human possibly need, Satan? For every day of the week or so that you can hop from small to big to train yourself to take the biggest one in one go?


 No.353674

>>353667

Depends on what you want, really. Some are plugs for extended play, or wearing passively while you putter around at home, some are for widening, some are for texture, versus thrusting, etc.


 No.353678

File: c3d135ee73d3b18⋯.jpg (67.21 KB, 784x1000, 98:125, smugkoume.jpg)

>>353665

Yes, being anti-elite in principle is literally communism.

Being against the degenerate satanic globalist pedo sex cult etcetera elites we have today is another matter, but thinking there is zero qualitative difference between people and that the common cattle is fit to run a government means you're right at home with the shitlibs, commies and sodomites like our subhuman furfag friend in here.

What we need is a traditional, principled ruling caste like the Brahmin or Kshatriya that are above the plebes without being degenerate tyrants.


 No.353679

>>353674

The texture for just wearing, I guess? I've seen too much shit on the internet and I imagine that certain forms can't be comfortable with repeated insertion and removal. Or do you play stuff with randomly generated assignments to get yourself off?


 No.353683

File: 795f4930ea564ca⋯.jpeg (35.31 KB, 640x480, 4:3, 795f4930ea564ca6198ad14dd….jpeg)

>>353678

The fundamental flaw with your proposition is that genetics do not work like. Study history and you'll see this recognizable pattern:

>charismatic man rises from either the upper-middle or lower-upper class

>rallies the nation together to be stronger than ever

>dies

>descendants almost immediately begin to shit everything up

Greatness is a quality that arises from the individual. It is a matter of innate qualities tempered by circumstance. It cannot be taught through schooling, it cannot be bred through genetic lines, and it cannot be sustained through the generations. This is the fate of every autocratic nation: To be driven to ruin by its own rulers.

It is the right of the people to decide their own fate for themselves - to elect their own representatives, to war for their own intention.


 No.353684

File: 4a68bcf8899e85a⋯.jpg (113.13 KB, 589x599, 589:599, 48285.jpg)

>>353683

No, genetics shouldn't be a problem. Genetic superiority might have mattered in a multiracial empire like ancient India, but in the ideal ethnostate based on the same European stock, superiority would come more from the traditions, spirituality, rights and duties inherent to the ruling class.

You are only objecting to hereditary positions. If you have a large pool of nobles, or whatever you want to call them, that are all instilled with the same values and principles, you can elect the leader from within their ranks, or even create a form of noble council government. The point is that the leaders ought to be inherently superior to the masses. Even today people largely expect it to be so, which is why people keep getting pissed at corruption even if we have degenerate "democratic" regimes full of cheats and charlatans.

>It is the right of the people

By whose word? Marx? The French revolutionaries? Plebs can say whatever the fuck they like when they hide behind "democracy". It's every man's right to get free heroin and dragon dildoes from the state, every child's right to forever mutilate their reproductive organs and turn into abhorrent monsters, every niggers' right to rape whenever he wants and everyone has an undeniable right to never ever be offended by anything, lest they be nazis, in which case they should all get shot.

This are the kinds of "rights" you espouse.


 No.353693

All you have said so far is that some people should just be allowed to rule, everyone should magically agree ob who's allowed to be part of their ranks and they should be self aware and enlightened enough to keep their genetics clean.

If that would all work out so nicely, I'm sure everybody would be on board with your idea. As it is, it sounds like some fantastical fairytale. Just as unlikely to happen as a communist society that actually works.


 No.353695

File: 180b95aa4d8f742⋯.jpg (76.59 KB, 900x900, 1:1, in with a yang.jpg)

>>353684

The issue is that traditions and education alone are insufficient to ensure a superior nobility. And even if it were - why would you not educate everyone in the same means? The entire process is entirely arbitrary, and furthermore, restrictive to development. You can make an argument that scarcity of resources dictates only a portion of humanity can be chosen for enlightenment, but what of when those resources are expanded? Or when they are lost? In the former, history shows that those in power will never allow others to take power - and so human development will be stagnated by the very traditions that were meant to uplift it. In the more likely case of the latter, the burden of scarcity must then be forced upon the common man. Kept away from such concerns, the bond between noble and commoner is stretched further, for the former continues to live without worry while the latter suffers. The only possible result is a rebellion of arms - or else a mass purge. Such was the way the communists handled their inability to deal with scarcity, as have all authoritarians.

The fate of republican government is not much superior - corruption is a human condition. It is something that bleeds throughout man, regardless of circumstances. Yet this corruption is proportional only to the power given to those in governing positions. Consider the United States or Rome, in their early days in contrast to the latter. As the state grows in power, as it becomes more involved in business, so too does decay sit. This is a lesson which the early founders of these nations had not yet learned - that government must not merely be limited, it must be excessively limited. Every amendment, every bill, grows the state. Policies to curtail it are necessary. But when you place an aristocratic regime, this becomes impossible.

>It's every man's right to get free heroin and dragon dildoes from the state

>every child's right to forever mutilate their reproductive organs and turn into abhorrent monsters

>every niggers' right to rape whenever he wants and everyone has an undeniable right to never ever be offended by anything

No man has the right to claim things from the state - be it material possessions, or a birthright. He has the right to do abhorrent things to himself - but not to to bring harm to others. Offending is not harm. Rape is a form of harm. This is a matter of the law.

In contrast, the product of aristocratic regimes has been one where those in power have spoken against these matters, while ignoring those same rules themselves. Where the lust of a nobleman might claim a dozen women, while he at the same time puts men to death for the same deeds. The law is a matter meant to be equally applied to all - and this has never been the case in any autocratic state.

You speak of these things while imagining yourself a potential nobleman, deluding yourself from the truth - that a chance at "virtue" as you imagine it is nothing more than a simple lottery game. You are no different than the communists who imagine themselves governing things, while they themselves are fated to be the first ones put to death by the workers they claim to champion. In your arrogance you both make yourselves enemy to the human order - the eternal march toward the stars which can only be reached in a society where man's success is earned only through his merit.


 No.353696

File: ef142a01bcfe82e⋯.jpg (5.6 KB, 208x243, 208:243, 13600033_1335736139789573_….jpg)

>>353693

A working communist society has never existed. Working traditional caste or nobility based systems have existed in a plethora of variations throughout all of human history.

>>353695

Corruption is always a concern, but democracy makes it much more problematic. First of all it is infinitely easier for elected officials to cut and run, leaving the society they were supposed to lead in ruins while they saunter off to globalist NGOs with their ill-gotten gains. A traditional elite caste on the other hand, would have a vested interest in keeping their lands and nation functioning. Futhermore, a clearly defined elite wouldn't be able to just slink away from responsibility as a "ordinary man" once his term ends.

The only real issue is the danger of the elite caste as a whole degenerating, but this could potentially be solved with competition within the elites or a Kshatriya/Brahmin duality.

>This is a matter of the law.

Equally as worthless. By what authority does the law exist? Modern legal states are all based on elected officials, all influenced by degenerate NGOs and interest groups that smear their way with money or threats. We have laws that actively discriminate against the population in favour for foreign marauders, "hate speech" laws that punish people from merely offending people. This is the clown world that democracy eventually descends into.

Democracy could have been a good idea if the masses were smart enough and able to choose for themselves. But when they are reduced to cattle brainwashed by media propaganda controlled by the very same international filth that puppeteers the governments, it's a exercise in futility.

You're hardly one to speak of delusions if you can look at democracy and claim it's a good thing. You are merely parroting what your Jew overlords have instilled you with, democracy is great goy, it's your duty to vote, make sure to watch the talmudvision to see which candidate to vote for!


 No.353699

>>353696

The thing about voting is that it mostly takes no time at all so you might as well do it while you try to restore monarchism or whatever it is that you want to do. Who knows, in theory something good could happen.


 No.353701

>>353665

>be lolberg

>tfw enforcing your views would violate the NAP of those opposed, so you do nothing other than slathering your genitals with peanut butter so the dog consents

>>353683

>It is the right of the people to decide their own fate for themselves - to elect their own representatives, to war for their own intention.

The same people too lazy to read labels, or fact-check?

Also, who provides that right, because those work two ways, if you have a right demand, someone needs to provide it.

And they should have the absolute power to plummet the country into ruin, because since there's a lot of shitty people, we should increase the chance that they get into power through lies and manipulations, other than let the few good men have it.

>>353699

>wastes dubs on being delusional

Voters and their choices don't matter, only people who count the votes.

Even then (((foreign owned))) media can help you brainwash the populace into self-destruction.


 No.353702

>>353699

Sure, the problem is that it's being sold as "democracy". Even if you somehow buy into the idea that authority comes from the unwashed masses, the current forms of democracy are nothing but a sadistic joke that only a shill of the current corrupt globohomo kike elites could condone.


 No.353703

>>353702

My secret dream is to see just once an actual outsider be elected, maybe of the 1488/1776 variety for maximum hilarity, and watch him wreak real havoc on his nation's (((you know whos))). I know I'm likely to never see that happen but a man can dream.


 No.353704

File: 48d8a16d8ee29c2⋯.gif (3.51 MB, 284x211, 284:211, disgusted_macho_man.gif)

>>353667

>Thank God we got all that discussion about Caster Edition and fixing it out of this thread and instead are enjoying this insight into the mind of degeneracy.


 No.353712

>>353696

Democracy does not speed up corruption - it slows it down. In contrast to your delusions, autocracies change at the pace of their rulers, making them prone to rapid changes in both positive and negative directions. Democracy is a slow thing, for it is difficult to get people to agree to anything. It is for that reason that democracies do not immediately collapse, but wither over time. In this way they leave an opening for other governments to slip in - yet at the same time, they leave an opening to correction, if the people so will it. Thus those who would degenerate a democracy will seek to establish governments with such weight that they make it, by creating a web of laws which obscure simple governing - but this is a very simple fix, as simple as limiting the possibility of the governing body to make amendments.

>on the law

You pretend that this is the fault of republican government but you are a fool - everything you detail is a symptom of human society. You make a proposition of an alternative form of government and claim that it would erode these ancient demons of the mind of man, and yet are incapable of actually detailing how these will be prevented. You quite certainly have no historical basis to show it - for if such a virtuous government existed, we wold clearly have it as a basis from which to define others. Such is your folly.

>>353701

>Also, who provides that right, because those work two ways, if you have a right demand, someone needs to provide it.

The right of the people comes from the people. It is an innate natural right. Man is born free and it is thus his right to remain free. To be provided anything else other than this liberty is not covered by this.

To evade poor governors, the solution is quite simple: limiting the power held by the governors. Consider the US, where the power of the state is far greater now than it was in the past. And as a result, the corruption in the nation is far greater. One must simply take that power from the state.


 No.353717

File: 06976cec73f5cf4⋯.jpg (60.49 KB, 750x537, 250:179, 06976cec73f5cf4c3aa9de30e4….jpg)

>>353712

Again, the delusional one here is you. You paint all "autocracies" with broad strokes as if a soviet backed banana republic is the same as a centuries old traditional monarchic or caste based empire.

You also seem to be confused about the "autocrats" being synonymous with the law. The basic foundation for any of this to work is that they are bound by principles and traditions that limit their power. Spiritual or philosophical, the very point is that adherence to some ideology makes them better and more "noble" than the common man, and thus deserving of the responsibility of leadership. Historically, it is when the ruling casts eschew their principles that their system of governance degenerate. Ensuring that there is enough competition within the noble class, or checks from another caste, to enforce adherence to the principles is then required to keep the rulers' superiority intact. A Damocles' sword.

You fail to explain how a democratic government is supposed to be protected from corruption. Limiting amendments is pointless, as the laws are based on the will of the plebes and can thus be changed by the same, sooner or later someone will just cut through the red tape.

You also fail to account for the predatory nature of global political elites. When the Wallstreet jew has more in common with the Bolshevik jew than the real people of his nation, they would rather work together than serve the goyim, as history shows time and again.

>You pretend that this is the fault of republican government

No, the ten-generation rule is a common problem in most forms of governments, even traditional aristocratic ones, as I just mentioned.

The issue is that corruption is infinitely easier when all law and power is based on the will of the easily influenced cattle. You can deny reality all you like, but seeing how suddenly miscegenation, sodomy and genital mutilation of children (as long as it is done in the name of faggotry) has become accepted and protected by law should tell you all you need to know. If you push enough pozzed Buzzfeed listicles down the throats of the catladies and shitlib children, you suddenly have a horde of useful retards that will vote for whatever inhuman filth you have in mind. And then you can bus in all manners of foreign apes, rats and roaches to throw in some extra votes, and shout racism if anyone objects. This is how your beloved democracy works.

You say I have no historic basis? Look at how long India and China prospered with these kinds of governments. Yes, they went through ebbs and flows, but you could still trace the same line through the centuries until they fell to foreign colonial aggression. And in no fault of their own, I should add, as they would have little chance of stopping the juggernaut of European superiority and technology no matter what their governments were like.

>The right of the people comes from the people. It is an innate natural right.

And again, where does this come from? The assholes of the founding fathers and their French inspirations? "Freedom" is just a retarded buzzword, even in our most natural state we are not free, but slaves to the elements, our bodily needs and psychological makeups. Freedom is a luxury granted us by the guarantees of a functioning government, and then usually limited to some degree and paid for by our allegiance or taxes.


 No.353725

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>>353717

There has never been a case in history where the ruling class has not thrown aside their ideals - especially when the promise of greater power exists. Competition will not solve this; indeed, competition between families, within families, have both proven historically to bring about internal struggle within the nobility. This is for a simple reason, the same reason which plagues republican governments- the death of the

>You fail to explain how a democratic government is supposed to be protected from corruption.

Bureaucracy. Democratic states move only at the speed at which culture shits, and even then, they are slowed by the pace at which a law must be passed. Consider the Imperial vs Metric system. To make the shift from the former to the latter was easy for many nations, because the state could make the decision without much objection. But in the US, this proved impossible, for the simple reason that not everyone, not every state, would come to agreement.

The same principle applies to republican government as a whole. It slows them down. This is the greatest loss of such states, but it is also its greatest advantage, for it prevents corruption from spreading. The United States had only the barest countermeasures against corruption, and yet naturally managed to resist it for over 135 years. And yet despite the last century having undermined much, it has nevertheless proven resistant to the same corruption that has plagued its fellows in the EU.

>When the Wallstreet jew has more in common with the Bolshevik jew than the real people of his nation, they would rather work together than serve the goyim, as history shows time and again.

Allow me to demonstrate your folly with a very simple change of words:

>When the English nobility have more in common with the French nobility than the real people of his nation, they would rather work together than serve the common folk, as history shows time and again.

Furthermore, because the latter relies on the personal dispositions of the rulers, there is an even greater tendency for these groups to enter into wars with each other as result of personal insults. The common man is ignored entirely, and forced to fight wars on behalf of the corrupt aristocracy.

Why should any man be forced to fight and die on behalf of another? Why should he leave his son without a father for the sake of a stranger?

>The issue is that corruption is infinitely easier when all law and power is based on the will of the easily influenced cattle.

This is incredibly false. Degeneracy breeds at the rate of human curiosity, and has always been found within the elites - the elites who, at the same time, prosecute it within the commoners. The difference is, when something is a taboo for the common folk, they as a collective will push against it, and prevent it from taking power. Keep in mind, even the hive of degeneracy that is California voted against fag marriage as late as a few years back - it was only by pressure from the elite, in violation of the rule of law, that this was changed.

Those who rise to power in republican states will be corrupt, as those born into it will be in autocratic states. The only difference is that while the former are limited by the resources it takes to influence the populate, the latter have no restrictions on the corruption they may allow.

>And then you can bus in all manners of foreign apes, rats and roaches to throw in some extra votes, and shout racism if anyone objects.

You pretend that open borders are somehow a requirement for a republican state. They are not.

>You say I have no historic basis? Look at how long India and China prospered with these kinds of governments.

Opinion immediately discarded. Chinese history can be defined as following a very simple trend: Man founds dynasty, China runs well, his kids take over, China runs less well, their kids take over, things get even worse, and eventually things go so poorly someone else arises, and the cycle continues on.

These governments have always fallen to corruption. They have always required another to step in and take power - someone who did so through their own merit and ability. Again proving the very simple fact that greatness is a trait which cannot be bred into a governing body.


 No.353726

>>353725 (cont)

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>>353717

>And again, where does this come from?

I may ask you the same - Who decides the ruling class? Who gives them the right to rule?

Is it the common man? If it is them, then does this not immediately put a flaw in your system equal to that of democracy?

Is it themselves? If this is so, why should a meritorious commoner not have the right to take power? Why should a man of demonstrably low quality not be stripped of aristocratic prestige? Who would judge this?

And if it is God? Then who is to say what God says? Perhaps God grants the right to self-rule. Perhaps he appoints aristocrats.

See now your own folly and weep. Further, I tell you this - government is an unnecessary factor. It is a symptom of the human need for defense - defense of borders, defense from foreign powers, maintenance of certain factors of infrastructure, trying criminals, etc. The community can of course provide these things on its own - it simply finds this matter of specialization more effective. But the simple fact is, people can operate effectively even in the absence of a state. This fact alone stands in contrast to your claim for the need of a ruling class.


 No.353730

>>353726

Its themselves of course and its less of the fact that they are born into it as their heritage is but a gift, it is the will of the ruling class to rule and the ability to do so that puts them where they are. If humans really could live in communities and societies without leaders or a "ruling class" as you call them, then they would have a long time ago.


 No.353731

File: 1e0d016223472f0⋯.mp4 (Spoiler Image, 8.48 MB, 1280x720, 16:9, leftypol.mp4)

>>353726

are you really this retarded?

Do you believe in the concept Economy of Scale?

If you do (and you should) then you believe in government as the inevitable end result of your "communities". It goes likes this

>everyone has communities (which are presumably organized in some fashion which is totally not governments im giving you that one)

<Each community costs X

>Eventually two communities will cooperate to reduce costs. This gives them an immediate advantage despite the cost in turmoil. The savings can be spent on bombs or wars or whatever gives the best return on investments (probably wars) .

<When two communities collapse into a government like this it puts the rest of the regular communities at a disadvantage (they are paying more for less) Inevitably they begin to collapse into governments as multiple communities collapse, dictated by geography, language, trade and of course other governments (as seen in the build up to WWI etc).

As for who chooses the aristocrats

>We aint gotta choose nothing you faggot, they're already chosen. We've had haves and have nots for fucking Millennia and now you want to get stuck on this chicken and the egg bullshit first year poly-sci nonsense argument.

<Pic related, its the face of your community you cock sucking degenerates, why dont you go back there


 No.353732

>>353725

>>353717

Both of you are half right and half wrong, one thinks that freedom is inherently good and that a ruling class or state with order is bad while the other believes almost the opposite. Yet you both say lies and exagerations to prove your points but also point out valuable truths in your arguments.


 No.353733

>>353731

Liberalism doesn't = libertarianism and looking at his arguements he doesn't seem dumb enough to be a marxist.


 No.353746

Could you faggots stop? This is about /tg/ politics not /pol/ politics. This is more of a political news thread than an ideology thread.


 No.353753

File: 402994ef689097c⋯.jpg (470.11 KB, 1200x1200, 1:1, just do it.jpg)

>>353730

>If humans really could live in communities and societies without leaders or a "ruling class" as you call them, then they would have a long time ago.

Humanity has created democratic government for well over 2000 years, and has functioned in smaller communities with little more than its elders acting as "governance" for far longer.

>it is the will of the ruling class to rule and the ability to do so that puts them where they are.

>>353731

>We aint gotta choose nothing you faggot, they're already chosen. We've had haves and have nots for fucking Millennia and now you want to get stuck on this chicken and the egg bullshit first year poly-sci nonsense argument.

The entire concept is rendered ridiculous by the fact that, at this present moment, we do not have a "virtuous elite" - we only have a corrupt class of financial elites. So the question begged remain - Who determines these virtuous leaders? Who is to say that the ones who rise to power are virtuous? The simple fact is that what you're describing - a collective of virtuous individuals rising up and putting themselves into power - is impossible. You can, at best, hope that a single individual will rise to power, and form a dynasty. Yet it will not be men of equal status who he appoints - it will be sycophants and other lesser men.

Now, with regards to the economics discussion:

Individuals, not communities, determine what gets produced. The only time the community decides is in a socialist state, where the government commands the economy. But the free market, left to its own devises, will settle things just as well.

The reason governments form is this: scarcity. And when one person has something that another lacks, sometimes violence is a good way to take it. Further, people are attracted to those of like-minds - and so groups of the violent gather together. They target others, exploiting their resources, while doing no work for themselves.

So one of two things happens. The first is that individuals in a community pool resources together to train their own soldiers, perhaps prompted by a strong leader, to defend them from outside threats. The second is that these threats take over the community themselves, and become the government. These communities differ in origin, and yet both have the same result - the birth of the ruling, noble class. Either as protectors of the people, or as exploiters. This origin is the "traditions" you speak of. Unfortunately, in the long run, this never lasts. For political purposes, the ruling class interacts with its neighbors. Those who championed the people and those who oppressed the people blend into one, an entity of its own which exists only to maintain its own existence and its own privileges. And thus the seed of corruption grows to a tree, beautiful on the outside, but rotten on the inside.

><Pic related, its the face of your community you cock sucking degenerates, why dont you go back there

It's obvious that you realize you've lost the argument, since you've persisted in associating me with communists and leftists. A particularly amusing proposition, given that you both simply champion different flavors of tyranny.

>>353746

>implying /pol/ talks about political ideology

It's political, it belongs in the political containment thread. At least it has /tg/ applications.


 No.353760

>>353696

>A traditional elite caste on the other hand, would have a vested interest in keeping their lands and nation functioning.

I like how monarchists are just libertarians with a funny hat. Same tired old lies about rational self-interest being a viable national policy.


 No.353765

File: 956d8e1c49df5a6⋯.jpg (102.2 KB, 900x1357, 900:1357, but senpai, I hook from th….jpg)

>>353760

>Same tired old lies about rational self-interest being a viable national policy.

Yes, this is why every capitalist society has collapsed and communism is the superior economic system.


 No.353783

File: a9bc447b0116902⋯.jpg (88.28 KB, 655x687, 655:687, yohanedisgust.jpg)

>>353725

>Democratic states move only at the speed at which culture shits

No, it moves at the speed that the elites want, if this is a problem with traditional governments, it is at least as big a problem with democracy. Again, you must be utterly blind if you can't see this happening today. The elites have decided it is easier to elect a new population than to retain the graces of their original voters, and so we see the mass import of foreign rabble. In the US you can even see how the previous nigger administration placed immigrants specifically in opposing states with the aim to shift the demographics. These kind of globalist shenanigans to annihilate the natural population are infinitely more vile and evil than anything traditional governments are wont to do.

>And yet despite the last century having undermined much, it has nevertheless proven resistant to the same corruption that has plagued its fellows in the EU.

Again, you are in dire need of a reality check. The US is utterly corrupted with a web of jews, corrupt officials, corporations and international organizations whose sole function, at best, is to serve Mammon while the population languish. And in the worst cases, they actively work to genocide the white population.

>When the English nobility have more in common with the French nobility

This is a strawman. While not nearly as bad as my example, it is still something that should be avoided, globalism of any kind above national interests should be avoided at all costs. You will also do well to note that this trend is mostly European, where the cultures involved have been largely similar in the first place, similar problems aren't nearly as prevalent in other parts of the world. In addition, you seem to forget that the power of nobility is linked to land. Even if English and French aristocrats would conspire together, they would still have to satisfy their populace to avoid rebellion, modern globalist rats on the other hand, don't have this constraint.

>it was only by pressure from the elite, in violation of the rule of law, that this was changed.

Oh really? Then why do we see the dildo-waving hordes marching about? If this was a push from the democratic elites, they certainly managed to socially engineer the people to support it fast enough, cue the buzzfeed listicles of "15 things you won't believe will fit in your anus".

Also consider the reactions to faggotry-pushing in both cases. If a traditional noble government were to push this kind of thing with an iron fist, the people would seethe with just contempt and resentment, adding to the ticking bomb of revolution. Meanwhile, in the modern democratic regimes, even if the majority does not support it, the very functions of "democracy" and the media brainwash makes the masses think that this is a natural democratic decision. Consequently, they will largely grow to accept it, and the minority that does not can be painted by the elite media as evil undemocratic nazi bigots.

>The only difference is that while the former are limited by the resources it takes to influence the populate, the latter have no restrictions on the corruption they may allow.

Nope, I don't buy it. You cannot with a straight face claim that the "resources to influence the population" is somehow a limitation. Not when we live in the nightmarish clownworld of today. The cattle is influenced so fucking easily, it is a wonder they even have the IQ necessary to breathe on their own. It is only in these last couple of years that people have started to wake from their stupor, and then only because the white genocide has been pushed too hard, too fast, and people have started to notice inconvenient truths like constant terror attacks and the fact that 12 year old Afghan refugees are actually 30 year old terrorapists. And even then you have a sizeable portion of the population that is either so dumb or so evil that they are actively shilling for this shit. If the kikes hadn't overplayed their hand, people would have hardly noticed what was going on.

>Chinese history can be defined as following a very simple trend

You completely missed the point. The dynasties change, but the same kind of government continues. Again, this is the ten generation rule in practice. The next dynasty takes the Mandate of Heaven from their predecessor, this only proves my point.


 No.353784

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>>353783

>>353726

>I may ask you the same

I already explained that. The will of God, the Mandate of Heaven, ancestral tradition, chivalric code, the specific form does not matter. What matters is that the power is seen as coming from the nobility adhering to some strict, supernatural principles that hones them into better men than the commoner.

The natural leader of a society is always the best man among them. You may claim you want a potato or a sub 70 IQ somalian woman to rule you, as long as they are democratically elected, but I don't believe you. People will never accept to be ruled by their inferiors, we seethe with righteous contempt at corruption and hypocrisy, and doubly so at those who would presume to lord above us. This is why we need our rulers to appear as our superiors. The moment you look at your leader and think "I could've done this" (Which is practically always in a democratic regime), he has lost his credibility.

>See now your own folly and weep

Nay, 'tis thee who are the fool, and a cur! Thou hast the honour of thine mother; a donkey! A knave such as thee is scarcely fit to clean the latrines, such is thine lack of virtue that even the rat abhors thine sight! Verily, I have observed thine wife copulating with dogs and moors, such is thine lack of manhood! Begone now with thine fellatious fables of plebeian governance, and learn to govern thine bowels before thou adresseth thine betters!

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 No.353787

File: 7bef57e07766ac5⋯.png (278.47 KB, 500x604, 125:151, Le happy wizard.png)

>>353461

The bans handed out between December and January were likely all the people banned for being part of the Magic for Bad Facebook group, which got Travis Woo banned (although he didn't actually do anything). In particular, WotC banned people who were part of the infamous P1P1 women draft shitpost (as in, they had commented on the post, period) and were in the screenshots all the crybully women and beta white knights took to expose the group.

I know this because, although I never joined that group, I was able to join the Magic for [B]ad 2.0 emoji emoji emoji group when it formed; near as I can tell, this group is the only one of the handful formed in the wake of Magic for Bad's closing which isn't full of moles and retards. I don't post much, but it's been useful to keep tabs on the people who do and follow the whole MagicGate situation.

I can find some pictures if you want.


 No.353812

File: e7b00d91c196c75⋯.jpg (34.25 KB, 294x452, 147:226, 480c5fbc6ab56872aa74f12c2a….jpg)

>>353783

>>353784

Let's break this down a bit for the sake of deconstruction:

>with

1. The Mandate of Heaven

There can only be a Mandate of Heaven if there is a God. Otherwise there is nothing more than people claiming power. Accepting that there is a God, you must also prove that He desires there to be appointed rulers, and not for the people to have self-rule. Governments of both sorts have claimed to be ordained by God, yet there is no proof you can give that this is the case.

Assume you sever the Mandate of Heaven from God, and that it is simply an abstract principle - How does that explain the emergence of republican government? What does this mean? Did Washington take the Mandate of Heaven through violence, and just toss it aside? Did it fade away? Or did he grant it to the people? Place it in a Constitution? Is it still floating around out there, waiting for someone to take it up?

2. Superiority of People

I repeat this point strongly. There can only by three situations:

> People are inherently better than others by blood.

Genetics has proven this to be false. Better people are more likely to produce better children, yes, but environment is still required as a development step. Further, even the lowest of families can produce a child far greater than their parents, and the greatest can produce sub-standard offspring. This is biology, it is well studied, and it well documented through history.

>People are inherently better through being raised.

If this is the case, your noble caste is only better because they were born into that case. Yet if this is the case, I ask the question again - why would a society not choose to educate its entire people the same way? Given even a modicum of study into political theory, you would recognize that over 2000 years ago, Plato recognized that this was the case, and proposed that all people on society be given equivalent education - with those evaluated to be the best being selected for the role of Philosopher-Kings. Plato recognized the issues of lineage and was critical of democratic government, having lived under it. And he was a lot more clever in proposing a solution.

In any case, this goes back to the earlier point which you ignored: The only reason to place limitations on who is educated, under these circumstances, is because of scarcity of resources. But this fails to leave a solution for the expansion of resources or what should be done when those resources are compressed. And if the resources exist to educate the entire populace - Why have a noble class, and not a republican government?

>People are inherently better through virtue of position.

In this case, there is no difference between being born into or being elected into a position, and anyone who becomes a "leader" will immediately be elevated as a result. If anything, the elected leader will have a stronger will to power, since he had to at least go to some effort.

3. The Will to Power

Your argument rests upon the idea that an autocratic aristocracy will rise up under some great leader and take power. Yet this is clearly not happening - there is only you, here on the internet, arguing that it should happen. Now that's all fine, but what do you do if the next person who wants to "fix things" does what Washington did and helps to legitimize republican government? What do you do if

4. Corruption in the System

Your claims are that because the current republican system is corrupt, therefore therefore the whole concept of the system causes corruption. Yet when pointed to the fact that every dynasty throughout history has fallen to corruption, you claim that this is simply a rule of generations. Yet all you care about is the "good times", ignoring:

>the last days of a dynasty

Under a bad ruler the land itself suffers. The absolute power maintained by a true autocrat allows them to cause great damage to the land and people during their time in power. A mad ruler, given sufficient power, can quite literally demand his soldiers battle the sea itself, and see no consequences. This is far less impact than a republican government can demand.

>revolution

The dynasty change is your way of claiming autocratic states correct themselves, and yet you ignore the potential of the same thing happening in republican states. If you use the example of Rome, it seems that republican governments are, in fact, the way by which you produce the strongest autocratic rulers - consider that a man like Julius Caesar was only able to do what he did because of the republican state. Had a man like himself been born 100 years after that point in similar circumstances, he could have done nothing.

Your entire argument is based on the idea that the present system is flawed, yet you are more than willing to ignore the corruption present in autocratic systems. You are nothing more than a hypocrite.


 No.353813

>>353812 (cont)

5. Will to Power

You champion the idea of a will to power being essential while not only championing a government which restricts it on the vast majority of its own population, but you also absolutely lack it for yourself. Even with the corruption of the US today, it is far easier than you seem to believe for a person to attain lateral movement. A man from the absolute lowest part of society, given sufficient will, can enter the military and become a distinguished officer. Someone with a very simple idea can start-up a business and become wealthy off of the most mundane of inventions - an extra piece of metal behind an earring, a new model of bra, whatever other mundane thing people will purchase for improving their quality of life. If you follow politics closely, you'll realize that the internet has made grass-roots movements more viable than ever - and the reason the elites have pushed so hard to restrict the internet is because this threatens the stability of the two-party system, backer-based system which gives them power.

This is a republican government at the end of its ten-generation period - a republican government at its absolute weakest point. You, right now, if you are a US citizen, are living in what could be considered the absolute bottom point that a republican government can sink to. And yet if you simply choose to practice the will to power, and have any degree of talent, you can still advance yourself.

The simple fact is you choose to project your own failures on the populace as a whole. You cannot live without someone superior to yourself giving you direction in life, pointing out what you should do. And I admit, there's a bit of romanticism in the idea. The ideal king, the man to look up to, to follow. But the simple fact is such a thing has never existed and will never exist. I for my part consider no man superior to myself - particularly by virtue of blood - and refuse to follow anyone who claims otherwise. These same beliefs will always be maintained by the people, and indeed, they will arise even among the nobility over time. And it is from there that republican government will always return.

6. The "I Can Do Better" Problem

Here's a spoiler - People have been critical of the aristocracy throughout most of history. The only reason these people maintained power was because they had an army, the only reason the armies worked for them was because they were paid, and the only reason the armies got paid was because of taxes collected only because the aristocrats maintained the army. It's a cycle with zero difference between an theoretical anarcho-capitalist state, except replacing the word "feudal lord" with "corporation".

7. Real Monarchy Has Never Been Tried!

This is (You).

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 No.353816

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.

>>353596

>>353584

>>353606

>>353627

Alright. Just to give an update on that, I've concluded that MYFAROG isn't for me. I'd still give it a try if some of my buddies or somebody at a convention was to run it but as of now I'm really not feeling strongly towards it. I don't like the world that much and the rules just don't work for me.

If you want to play a game that is recommended by Varg, then I'd advise you to try Basic Fantasy Role Playing then again, everyone here should know that one already. I don't share his views on a lot things but in this case I agree with him 100%.


 No.353829

>>353813

>(USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST)

Wait, what? Why? As far as I can tell, he was just countering those pro-monarch arguments. He certainly didn't derail the thread any further than it already was or just spam links or infographics or some shit. I was pretty much agreeing with him so far.


 No.353831

File: 5f32cd06f59273b⋯.png (258.45 KB, 397x353, 397:353, mfw i am the only man on t….png)

>derailing the politics thread with politicsshit


 No.353836

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>>353765

>it's another lolbergs can't argue except to call people communists episode


 No.353837

>>353829

>>353831

Nothing any of them were talking about had anything to do with /tg/ topics, outside of the questionable connection to history as a facet of traditional games. They weren't talking about this stuff because it related to recent events or drama. They were having a dick measuring contest about political systems.


 No.353840

>>353837

Ah, right. Both of them were banned. In that case everything is just fine. My bad.


 No.353854

>>353813

>ad hominems

>projecting

Well, that does sound like democracy, all right.

>>353837

I thought everything was /tg related? Not like this board moves too fast for off topic shit either.


 No.353858

>>353854

>I thought everything was /tg related?

Doesn't mean every thread is for any topic.


 No.354003

File: d41c77579fdca2d⋯.png (84.66 KB, 239x278, 239:278, confused.png)

>>353836

<Rational self-interest isn't a viable national policy!

>I disagree, because rational self-interest has made capitalism very successful and has caused communism to repeatedly fail.

<Wow, you have to stoop so low to call people communists, you're so retarded!


 No.354004

>>354003

Don't start this shit up again. Not the thread or even the board for this kind of petty fuckery.


 No.354008

A couple more articles about the MTG pedo judges.

https://archive.is/kAOPH

https://archive.is/uBppk


 No.354018

>>354008

>Ian Miles Cheong

I still remember him getting constantly mistaken for Arthur Chu, who is an insane manlet who leaves bomb threats.. and is also a journalist.

Either way, Cheong is an adequate writer and he does a good job of spreading the word without being too incendiary or hyperbolic, though his audience is clearly more of the cheeky wanna-be shitposter type who jump at the chance to push the poorly conceived "Kekistan" meme. The Niche Gamer article is somewhat interesting, especially after they published that piece not too long ago that was almost obnoxiously on the side of Christine Sprankle and her bullshit harassment claims, calling her the most well-known MtG cosplayer and such, even when all the metrics clearly showed otherwise.


 No.354175

>>354018

most people aren't researching shit. They're just copying what other places are saying.


 No.354181

>>354175

>most people aren't researching shit. They're just copying what other places are saying.

You must have only discovered this journalism thing recently, huh? Next time you visit a news sites or see an article being passed around, check the sources. You'd be surprised how often places will lift an entire article, sourced from Site A, who took it from Site B, who copied it from Site C, and so on and so on.


 No.354182

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>>354175

>>354181

The best thing about this is that it diffuses the responsibility of supurious claims, as well as boosting a narrative by volume and authority. Everything from journalism and wikipedia to science and holocaust "history" employs this. One obscure, kooky source that would've been taken as a joke on it's own is carefully quoted, re-portrayed and mirrored through secondary sources, and in the end you've got a robust network of lies backing itself up no matter how ridiculous it's foundation are. And if someone manages to prove the deception, the majority of the peddlers can retain their authority by excusing it all on bad sourcing and a promise to try harder (at not getting caught) next time.


 No.354363

So I finally got around to writing that letter describing the reasons I am selling out of Magic. Anyone care to proofread it? Some of the font formatting is different in my document, but the text is all there.

https://pastebin.com/FHPJ8ZWi


 No.354368

>>354363

sorry to be a buzzkill but nobody is going to read all that shit by some random anon.

Make it shorter, that's no letter, that's a essay.


 No.354371

>>354368

Well my intention was to post it/have someone post it on a social media forum so people can see it. I want to contact Unsleeved Media and ask if he'd make people aware of it, but perhaps that would be too public.


 No.354395

>>354368

The intro makes you sound really autistic and the section about the "fighting game community" doesn't help. Most normalfags are probably just going to drop it the moment they read that you quit after getting caught with counterfeits, but some might be more receptive. I've been thinking about making a writeup like this when I sell my collection. I've never played competitively because of the barrier to entry, so I suspect most people will just write me off as bitter, but there's a chance that it could blow up if posted on leddit


 No.354412

>>354395

A cheater quit the game. Good.

That's the response that will get. Cover up and lie about your flawes, make it sound like you're a saint but you just can't take any more.


 No.354420

>>354417

Play the game or lose by default. You don't have to lie like you're saving orphans but you sure as fuck shouldn't say you're using counterfeit cards and got banned from the DCI


 No.354432

>>354426

>muh pigeon memes

Nice guys finish last. Cheats and criminals win. Sorry man but we're not children. This is reality


 No.354476

Stop derailing the thread with your kikery.


 No.354479

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.

watch the end of this and try not to throw out or burn all mtg product you may still own.


 No.354501

File: c51d330c51890f4⋯.gif (40.38 KB, 351x251, 351:251, angry rattling.gif)

>>354479

A couple years back, when that one "gaming has a white male terrorist" problem was making the rounds, I recall making a few observations that it was absolutely baffling to see so many people eagerly jumping at the chance to bemoan the state of their hobby community and how they were so astounded to find out there were so many rapists and racists in their stores and conventions. It baffled me because these people know their communities better than some fame hungry retard trying to use feminism and sexual harassment to get money. They should have known she was full of shit… But now it occurs to me that I was being too generous, or perhaps too naive in my appraisal of the situation.

The kind of people who rush to virtue signal and cry about a ridiculous story of rape and abuse at the hands of nerds are SJWs. SJWs never miss a chance to virtue signal. They also like to use forums and community gatherings to accrue status and power, either by becoming community managers, mods, or volunteers at cons. Of course they make up the most vocal and visible bemoaning within the community.. But the other part of that is the intrinsic belief that the story could be possible, because seemingly more often than not, the most outspoken, aggressive, and zealotrous SJWs are pedophiles, rapists, and degenerate psychos.

For people like you or I, the idea of someone being dragged into a backroom by some balding middle aged neckbeard is unthinkable, because we don't have that kind of evil in us.. But for SJWs, that's not only something they could imagine happening, but likely something they've done or considered doing.

Now that Unsleeved guy is on the warpath with this one, the attitudes have shifted pretty drastically. The same people who were rallying to drag him down and exile him over the mere accusation that he may have done something wrong are now advocating a hands off approach

>WHOA THERE! Just because all of these people are convicted sex offenders doesn't mean we should jump to any conclusions now!

>We're not pro-pedophilia! We're just being reasonable!

>Let's wait and see what happens instead of rushing in and demanding something happen over these verifiable facts!

What would drive someone to do whatever they can to downplay digging into the pasts of as many judges and community personalities as possible? Sounds like some faggots have skeletons in their closets or they simply don't want to be dragged down with the rest of the subhuman scum when it's revealed that they've been palling around with some of the people who get outed sooner or later.


 No.354504

The article by niche gamer is goddamn gold.

Was talking to a guy earlier about this. Just "oh did you see the judges controversy" and linked him the article. Completely revolted and turned on WOTC almost immediately.

If someone is active in the Magic community and spread this around you would fuck with them really hard. Normal fags are not happy with pedo judges.


 No.354655

>>353592

I work with a guy that has his coming out soon. He's pretty basic politically but I read over his game and there's no gender or race bullshit, a goal was to keep anything of the current year out of it, women can be bounty hunters(? forgot the name for adventurers) but that's all on the cucky side. It's all about a collapsing empire pretty much straight out of Spenglerian ideas. Magic powers some industry but it's still medieval, mages are super powerful but insane so they're lobotomized and used as power sources. Needs some work but it sounds it's moving along. Seems really malleable as a system, if he gets an editor it'll be an awesome game. He sent some artwork my way recently. He posts on cuck/tg/.

Gonna ask if he's cool with me posting some art. Don't mean to shill but I think it'll be good once it's balanced, edited, and some rules are better described. Still have the print .pdf but don't know if it's the most recent version. Could post more once I'm home from work about the system if anyone is interested, I can dig out the .pdf.


 No.354658

>>354655

*printed out .pdf


 No.354667

File: 910d4147fd117a3⋯.png (23.15 KB, 597x223, 597:223, Legacy isn't for peasants.PNG)

Decided to post the letter in >>354363 as it was since I was happy with the finished product. Generated some interesting discussion in my local Facebook group, to say the least. I did receive some private messages expressing support, and none of the people I count as friends had anything negative to say, so overall I'm happy.


 No.354670

>>354667

>It's SUPPOSED to be prohibitively expensive

Wow.. What a fucking retard.

At any rate, don't get hung up on guys like that. What matters is that people are seeing it, even if they aren't commenting. Some elitist prick pretending it's some kind of special honor to play Legacy is only doing himself harm.


 No.354672

File: eaaa803b33ceedf⋯.jpg (11.41 KB, 252x314, 126:157, eaaa803b33ceedf9e0062c4550….jpg)

>>354670

>>354667

It's especially funny when most of these same people would usually be seen lamenting the current state of the hobby, be it all the filthy SJW noobs or the game becoming a unbalanced mess because of unchecked jewry. But no, even if a new guy agrees with them and wants to play Legacy, he isn't allowed to do do so unless he spends a fortune buying "real" cards.

Once you start getting into this kind of territory, you're no longer talking about playing a game, but collecting overpriced cardboard for it's own sake.


 No.354685

>>354672

When it comes to shaking up a community like this, the sort of people who will be the worst to deal with are the ones who have a very literal sunk cost into it. People who have spent hundreds of dollars assembling their decks, and spent thousands more purchasing cards over the years. As far as they are concerned, they have accrued some objective value in their piles of cardboard, which means they will do whatever they can to justify their investment and avoid negating that value.


 No.354688

>>354670

Yeah, there were several people who used the reaction feature to Like™ the post, which I interpret to mean they at least appreciate my honesty. Most of the really insane people either live in different cities or were players I'd never seen at any local events. I'm not hung up on it, exactly, although the number of otherwise reasonable people who started screeching about MUH ETHICS and LITERALLY KILLING THE GAME did startle me.

>>354672

Oh, rest assured the people who responded to me wouldn't complain about SJWs at all; they are typical liberals who have their own thoughts only within the territory assigned by the group's thoughts. I don't imagine anything will change within my local scene, but maybe someone reading it will think about the sustainability of Legacy in the long term.


 No.354690

>>354688

>the sustainability of Legacy in the long term

You know, it would be pretty funny to trawl through ebay and everywhere to get a huge pile of legit, popular Legacy classics, and then record yourself burning it all. Only downside is the ton of money you'd have to waste doing it.


 No.354692

>>354667

Holy shit! I knew people like this existed, but I didn't think they'd be so honest about how elitist they are over a game. There' no rational justification for having fewer players and less access to cards being good for the format, but if you've already sunk thousands of dollars into cardboard, then you're hardly a mentally healthy person. Thanks for your work spreading the idea that people are fed up with Wizards.


 No.354712

>>354692

>There' no rational justification for having fewer players and less access to cards being good for the format,

Well you're just not thinking hard there. For example, the price of these legacy cards may very well depend on demand being only available in the secondaries market so people busting the format's price point is missing the counter point. They want demand for those legacy cards to stay high to keep the value in the collection and the 2ndaries market going. It's like the world's most boring cardboard ridden ponzi scheeme.


 No.354759

So now that Magic requires background checks for officials, I really would like to see someone vaguely officially (Manager at LGS ect.) ask Wizards if proof of a completed NICS check/concealed carry license (Having a PAL works if any Canadian wants to give it a try) satisfies the requirement. Allows spreading the scandal to a whole new audience (that would eat the initial scandal up) if Wizards say no. Generates SJW tears if they say yes.


 No.354770

File: ab3829b14738822⋯.png (82.32 KB, 791x602, 113:86, Untitled.png)

Don't mind me, just fighting the good fight triggering the cuckchan mods.


 No.354771

File: a9a6fa8ba636c3d⋯.png (232.23 KB, 428x476, 107:119, depressing.png)

>>354770

Don't you have something better to do?


 No.354772

>>354771

Not really. I get a long weekend because of Earl Ray Day.


 No.354774

>>354772

What's Earl Ray day? Some American shit?


 No.354776

>>354770

>retard triggers retards

What a train wreck


 No.354777

>>354774

Martin Luther King JR. day renamed after the dude that killed him.


 No.354798

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.

MTG fag won the first round. Background checks put in place. GG.


 No.354820

>>354770

The b8 was too obvious, but I'm surprised they even slapped you on the wrist for it. Then again, cuckchan is called cuckchan for a reason.


 No.354825

File: d5c88799b1915d1⋯.gif (2.34 MB, 486x254, 243:127, party semi-hard.gif)


 No.354836

>>354798

Honestly I was hoping WotC would double down and refuse to do anything, causing an enormous shitstorm.


 No.354839

>>354836

Could still always do

>>354759


 No.354850

>>354798

It bothers me to no end that these faggots initially defamed and formed an collective negative opinion of this guy over some baseless witch hunt bullshit, and now they're claiming he's started a witch hunt and is trying to ruin the game in revenge.. by outing convicted pedos and rapists.

What a bunch of cancerous retards.


 No.354861

>>354850

I wonder how many of these people can look you in the eye and say that. It'd be fun if you tried that the next time it comes up in your FLGS. Try and see if they stutteringly deflect, or try to avoid your look.


 No.354862

File: f188d8251a70783⋯.png (34.58 KB, 904x375, 904:375, lol.PNG)

>>354861

It's a shame the term keyboard warrior has fallen out of vogue. It describes these people to a T.


 No.354864

File: 2ea25dc2c9098aa⋯.jpg (120.73 KB, 400x300, 4:3, Gundam - Fed Blue Destiny ….jpg)

>>354862

>that last part

Gee, it's almost like very obviously trying to avoid the problems of defending these human vermin doesn't go over well. It's also almost like our benighted society still has some lines it holds beyond the pale, and he just crossed one. Getting on his knees and begging for forgiveness won't save their reputations at this point;at least it'd be the honorable thing to do. But whining and lying about it like this can certainly make it worse. Really, the best thing to do at this point would be to delete their accounts, and never bring up this subject again in their new ones.


 No.354902

>>354862

whoever wrote that shit needs to lube up a razor-blade cactus with chili-oil and sit down hard on it… repeatedly

fucking hell


 No.354908

>>354902

>>354862

Well, anyone that's so assblasted about someone reporting pedo rats is bound to have some cumstained child skeletons in his own closet. Let's hope someone from his local area decides to mete out justice.


 No.354918

File: 2395f726eaad53d⋯.jpg (78.43 KB, 750x634, 375:317, 1458676937536.jpg)

>>354862

>that reddit post


 No.355021

>>354918

yep, he definitely has some serious shit to hide, WOTC employees need some looking into also since they where so against it.


 No.355043

>>354862

>Waah I'm getting harassed!

Self-awareness is always lacking with these people. He said something profoundly stupid and now he's getting mocked and ridiculed for it, and he thinks it's some cruel injustice that's totally unfair and not at all justified.. But he sees no problem with lying about and defaming other people, especially if they are certified wrong-thinkers, as decided by the amorphous blob of public opinion.

Now, I'm not looking to talk about Trump at all, but I find the phenomenon surrounding his tweets pretty interesting.. You ever look at the replies he gets? No one ever includes those, because they are the worst kind of cancer. Worse than the shittiest youtube comments you've ever seen. All the blue checkmarks and professionals and celebrities rush to the chance to sling insults and leave the nastiest most exaggerated bullshit they can muster. If the same level of vitriol was directed at anyone else, the recipient would be crying that nazi trolls are inflicting cyberviolence on them and the same people trying to formulate the meanest comeback to Trump would be rushing to pen articles and blogposts about the sorry state of the internet and how evil white men are making it unsafe.

Not sure where I'm going with this, but it's fucking maddening to watch such hypocrisy and cognitive dissonance on such a frequent basis.


 No.355046

File: 8ab53da93427502⋯.png (62.04 KB, 326x212, 163:106, 7baf766d8c800d3a61057355c1….png)

>>355043

No, you see, Trump is so evil and vile that any violent response against him is completely justified by moral imperative.


 No.355185

>>354670

There is an argument there tbh. Not all formats should be for newbies. There should be higher tier formats that require more effort and investment. That's a healthy system.


 No.355188

>>355185

The only barrier to entry should be skill, not disposable income


 No.355190

>>355188

Disagree. Money is a form of gate keeping, if you lack the autism to invest that much you don't belong in that arena, simple.


 No.355191

>>355190

>what are you poor

What an argument


 No.355193

>>355190

>why don't poor people just get more money?


 No.355206

>>355191

>>355193

Has nothing to do with being rich or poor, it's about having to invest in something to get a seat at the big boys table.

I'm sick of seeing communities trashed by faggots who have no investment and no desire to be there. I support gate keeping because even if it exiles me from some things (due to cost in this case), I'd take it existing over it being dead and being open to me.


 No.355217

>>355206

You're retarded. Skill is the best gatekeeping mechanism because it's free and a pain in the ass to accumulate. Money is shitty because people who have much money but zero interest in Magic (such as the people actively buying out cards and creating the artificially scarce gate in the first place) are the ones controlling the gate; if you're reluctant to have people who don't care about the game in your community, why would making them the watchmen solve anything?

All money-based gates do is make people bitter. The Modern players in my town are, on average, much more bitter and tryhardy than the Standard or Limited players. Why? Because they invested money in a deck (like Faeries or some other trash) and feel entitled to a competitive performance.

>but if skill is the gatekeeping mechanism then more people will play because they want to play instead of wanting to show off their money

How horrid.

>but if skill is the only thing preventing them from playing, i won't win as often

Magic is a high-luck game, with the possible exception of blue Legacy decks. Maybe you should play a different one if the idea of luck-based losses bothers you.


 No.355220

>>355217

Standard is played by idiots who don't know any better and try hard grinders looking for PTQ wins. Limited is played by casuals who don't want to invest in a deck.

What do these 2 groups have different to a modern player? They're fucking casuals you prick.

If you're still playing this game you're retarded but no one should ever be playing Standard with how fast it rotates and how bad the return is on cards.


 No.355223

>>355206

Well, there's a difference between

>You have to buy into and learn how to play the game to compete on a high level

and

>you can't play this game unless your deck has at least $500 worth of painstakingly hunted down and purchased singles where the value is entirely decided by false scarcity created by the sellers of the game, scalpers who exploit the game, and the arbitrary whims of ban lists and reprints

At the end of the day, it's still a card game to be played for fun. It's a luxury good that only exists for entertainment. The sellers of a game do not owe anyone anything. They do not have to make their game accessible or easy to play or fair to new players. A certain amount of that is smart to do, though too much of it and casualization sets in and kills the game. The faggot insisting that you shouldn't be allowed to play without giving the kikes at WotC a certain amount of money is being a retarded elitist, attempting to justify his wasted dosh as a status symbol instead of a regret.


 No.355225

>>355220

>They're fucking casuals you prick.

>implying modern players aren't casuals

Anyone playing Faeries might as well be a casual, but it still cost him $900 to do it. Storm is one of the top decks in the format, and it costs ~$200 without fetches: it's a popular choice for many new players for exactly that reason, but why would a casual player choose one of the most cancerous and powerful decks? Money.


 No.355234

File: 1132c23eadbada9⋯.jpg (822.99 KB, 2404x1260, 601:315, hobbylife.jpg)

>>355223

I don't give a fuck about you having fun or any one else having fun. I care about having a barrier to entry so you gate keep out fags like you who think everything should be for everyone.

It shouldn't. Fuck you and stop trying to fuck up things I like by constantly expanding them and making them more accessible until they become a worthless mush.

When you call someone "elitist" all you do is prove that you can't compete with serious people. It shows you're utter fucking cancer who has no respect for hard work and earning your place in a community.


 No.355243

>>355234

>if i can't prove him wrong, i'll just put words in his mouth

I said this before: skill is a barrier to Legacy just as surely as cost. I've been playing Elves for the last year and a half but I still fuck up Brainstorm/Ponder/Preordain chains when I borrow Omnitell from a friend. Your ignorance of this speaks volumes, presumably because you haven't actually played Legacy and you're just peering in through your LGS window, breath fogging the glass like a Charles Dickens character.

Things die, and I doubt Magic has more than 10 years left in the tank before some scandal collapses the company or power creep disinterests most players. There are other tabletop games to fill the space of socializing, and there are other card games (and free methods of playing Magic) to fill the space for people who want tighter gameplay unbeholden to the whims of secondary markets and merchants. You can't tell me you'd seriously prefer Legacy to wither away and vanish entirely than to have it played by people who don't have $3,000 of spending money for cardboard. I'll keep saying this: people are scared of Legacy because it's a high skill format where a single turn can mean being Wastelanded out of the game. Anyone scared of stuff like that will stick to Modern and Limited.

How many Moats and LEDs do you own, anon? I'd hope you at least have some investment in the reserve list because the only thing more pathetic than a financial parasite is someone who sucks parasite dick for the taste of a format he's never played.


 No.355248

>>355243

I bought Legacy elves for like $25s and standard collection man. There's no goddamn money barrier if you really want to play it.

>How many expensive cards do you own

How very elitest of you, judging people by their expensive trinkets.


 No.355249

>Paying money for cardboard

Just play it online or something.


 No.355253

>>355234

Great reading comprehension, shit for brains. Go sperg somewhere else.


 No.355360

Update on the counterfeit confession story:

>facebook post explodes, many investorfags angry

>after the initial wave of comments, I get a message from a local old school player who wants to play competitive EDH with his friends at home

>asks me to tell him where I got my counterfeits

>this smells like a trap so I wait a few days, but he seems genuine

>tell him about Villa Zheng, etc.

>"thanks man, this is a big help - there are about 50 of my friends and I who were considering going to a Legacy event with counterfeited decks, to send a message to WotC"

>tell him to keep me posted

I just hope they don't get cold feet. It sounds too good to be true, but the silent majority of kitchen table players who just want to play Magic might start to do something if this catches on.


 No.355465

File: 8c23859d7362dcd⋯.png (711.67 KB, 1200x650, 24:13, ClipboardImage.png)

https://twitter.com/RosewattaStone/status/952903213350612992

So my friend likes to post this twitter a lot, but this card seemed particular amusing today. I couldn't resist.


 No.355488

File: c85f4f153405397⋯.png (211.94 KB, 484x422, 242:211, 93ddf91d5d22e2f632f1034413….png)

>>355243

>I've been playing Elves for the last year and a half but I still fuck up Brainstorm/Ponder/Preordain chains when I borrow Omnitell from a friend.

Just chiming in to say that Brainstorm is not nearly as difficult to correctly use as people say, tbh elves, with it's reliance on GSZ/NO and several abilities firing off one after another, is more difficult to pilot than anything cantrip based.

>>355234

>I care about having a barrier to entry so you gate keep out fags like you who think everything should be for everyone.

Funny. I'm more interested in actually being able to sit down and play a fucking game of Legacy than curating the community.

>>355360

>tfw SCG Legacy classic art the end of the month

Can't wait to see the fallout from this one


 No.355492

>>355488

>Brainstorm

It's just how my brain works. I have a lot of working memory (had it tested when I was in high school and they said I was in the top percentile), so the kind of vicious repetition and optimization present in Elves is much easier to me than anything involving optimizing seen cards in a cantrip chain. The correlation between types of memory/brainpower and deck choices is fascinating to me, because it influences people so strongly and at a level many don't even realize or acknowledge.

Honestly, I couldn't tell you why I did a particular line of play on any given turn (and I can remember very few aside from the standout ones like ripping a guy's hand apart with cabal therapy or beating a Lands play to death 3 damage at a time underneath a Tabernacle). It Just Works™ on a level so deep and right I don't even think about it. It's like meditating or going to church.

>SCG classic

What state is that in? Because the guy I was speaking to and I live in Canada.


 No.355565

>>355488

My point is that if you don't protect a community then it dies and you can't sit down and play legacy. Look at any community now full of trannies and all that shi. That is what happens when you don't protect it.


 No.355598

>>355565

MtG is already full of trannies and feminists, and the people designing and producing the game are full blown kool-aid guzzling retards. While casualization and a low barrier to entry may make it easier for them to get in the door, the problem starts at the source. MtG's fall started with WotC doing things like pulling cards and capitulating to claims that certain art was 'rapey' and glorifying cheaters and shitty players because they happened to be female. Now WotC jumps at the opportunity to put rainbow flags on everything and march in pride parades while handing out lifetime bans for wrongthink and twitter drama.

Maybe you shouldn't feel so smug about your investment in MtG and stop worrying about people invading your secret club, because you shouldn't be supporting WotC at all.


 No.355603

>>355598

I don't support WOTC. I haven't touched the game since they pushed homos in Theros. I bitched how women were being given free shit in the pro scene and got called sexist for it before it was cool to be anti-SJW.

I'm saying gate keeping is good and lowering the barrier to entry will just get you fucked. The only way to keep these people out is to gate keep extremely hard


 No.355605

>>355565

And my point is that you're putting the cart before the horse; protecting the Legacy community is pointless because there IS no Legacy community. You can get a Modern game any because it's actually possible to find the cards you need to play, whereas Legacy I need to drive 40 minutes to get to a shop that sanctions the format one night per week

Don't talk to me about dedication or lack thereof. I spent 4 years slowly amassing the pieces of what was already a tier 3 deck and have stuck with it. Eat a dick.

>>355603

Magic is inherently social. People you consider undesirable will find a way to play and there is nothing you can do about it. Well, besides making it impossible for anyone to play I guess.


 No.355606

>>355603

A challenging game that requires skill, planning, and on-the-fly thinking will gatekeep far better than a paywall ever could. Leftist faggots have more trust fund dollars than brain cells.

The only things that a paywall eliminates are people with the sense to avoid the shit out of that CCG trash.


 No.355608

File: 57fed4ccb85c40c⋯.jpg (148.08 KB, 640x480, 4:3, 1317707763162.jpg)

>>355603

While you're not wrong, claiming that a high cost for artificially rarified cardboard is a good thing, because it's gatekeeping, is stupid. Good gatekeeping involves system mastery and time investment, not simply monetary investment. Using money as a barrier only hurts yourself more than it keeps out the cancer and poz. Wasting money and netdecking is easier anyways. At best, you're keeping out poor people, which would happen anyways, because MtG is already overpriced.


 No.355614

File: 4316f5a3c9bb672⋯.png (349.11 KB, 508x335, 508:335, 1457823209413.png)

>>355605

>People you consider undesirable will find a way to play and there is nothing you can do about it.

That's hardly the issue here. We're not talking about the greasy neckbeard, creepy mouthbreather or the weird faggot, we're talking about attention whoring psychopaths that infiltrate a community to turn it into a soapbox for their social marxist brainwash. The former is in the hobby because they like it, the latter only to signal. It goes without saying that the more obscure and autistic the given scene is, the less your chances are for SJW corruption.

In regards to MTG though, the battle is already lost when you have SJW fags and kikes on the top who will always try to maximize profit while shilling their degenerate mantras.

The only real way to gatekeep is to make sure it's too obscure or unremarkable to be popular in the first place.

Sadly, we're seeing the same trend in 40k now, with endless casualization, "community engagement" and the like, so we're sure to see the same crap there.


 No.355621

>>355605

1 night a week is still a community. It doesn't have to be 7 days a week to count.

You keep them out by trashing their standard decks with your legacy decks. They can't compete so they fuck off and go play casual magic in the corner.

>>355606

No, it really won't because Magic requires none of those things. It's super accessible right from day 1. You don't need to be good to play in those events you just need to turn up.

Trust fund kids don't buy legacy decks. They buy coffee and iPhones. They invest in casual decks.

>>355614

40k is on it's 3rd cycle now.

Rogue Trader was taken from an RPG to a tabletop game in 2nd ed. 3rd ed cleaned up 2nd ed to be super casual. 8th ed took that level of casual and made it even more casual because they had layed too much shit on top and made you need to buy 7 books to field a tactical squad.

Community engagement online is new but they did that in stores any way. They tried to get little kids in


 No.355626

>>355621

You can't really compare the RT and 2nd changes to the later ones though. The entire theme of the game changed completely so it was only natural the rules would follow suit. It's stayed largely the same since 3d ed, and it's from there you'll really notice the massive streamlining 8th got into, with a ton of tactical depth and options disappearing.

And it's not just the rules, the models have become shittier too, with a reliance on monopose kits with very few options and a bloat of clampack "characters". Not only does this mean they can turn up the prices for much simpler kits, but together with the simple rules it makes it far too easy for casuals to just throw a random jumble of models on the table with zero thought to listbuilding or planning. It's not as bad in this as Smegmar, but I suspect they'll do what they can to push it along.

And when the game takes much less skill, less dedicated hobby work and tactics, it'll be easier for the SJW filth to seep in.


 No.355627

>>355626

I don't need to compare them I just say the cycle isn't the first time it's happened. 3rd edition made it luke warm corporate sci fi to appeal to the lore fags.


 No.355628

You know, all of this shit about MtG made me start thinking - Has there been an attempt to produce a rule system for a card game that only uses basic playing cards and maybe a few die rolls as the means of playing?

There's a finite number of options, sure. But assume you did something like, say, having the players split the deck. Heart/Diamond, Spade/Clubs. Lets say you played "Monsters" or whatever by placing a card down. That's 26 options. Now let's say you needed two cards - that's what, 650 options? Just with half of the deck? The combination possibilities just get higher when you assume, say, playing three or even four cards, or when including the ability to choose how many are played. Then you can include the factor of is the card horizontal or vertical, so you could have "Sideways King of Hearts" and "Forward King of Hearts" or whatever.

I don't know. It seems like it could have potential. It wouldn't be a big money maker, but imagine if you could get a system like that to become widespread? You could always publish special decks to go with it, having custom art or whatever, or collectible cards for side-use (i.e. play a "3 of Hearts" and a "5 of Hearts" which indicates "Manticore", and then just put your "Manticore" card on top to look cool/like a tool), but with the caveat that the game would always allow players to go in with just normal cards.


 No.355631

>>355628

There's shit loads of them.


 No.355632

>>355631

And have any of them actually caught on?


 No.355633

>>355632

No because they're pretty much all single player autism. Malifauxs the closest to a mainstream deck game


 No.355636

>>355633

>single player autism

Yeah, definitely not the route I was thinking. More "f2p Yugioh" than "solitaire".


 No.355693

>>355636

I don't think any one cares that much as a group any more. That sort of creativity is not gone from the hobby and now everything is mass produced.


 No.355716

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>>355614

You are missing my point. I want to play Legacy. My friends, many of whom I have met through magic, have also shown an interest in playing Legacy. Unfortunately for them, the decks they are interested in playing cost well over $1,000. They see Modern. Modern is (or at least was 3 years ago) significantly cheaper than Legacy. My friends now all play Modern because they can actually afford format staples.

>>355621

Yeah, it just sucks that I have to drive all the way out there to get a game in.


 No.355728

>>355716

The problem isn't legacy being expensive. The problem is you're still playing a game that's as vile as MTG is. When your friends showed interest in new things you should have steered them towards better games not MTG but slightly cheaper.


 No.355750

>>355728

>implying I had anything to do with it and they didn't just start playing Modern without me

sage because why am I even posting


 No.356631

Hasn't there been any fallout from pedo rule changes yet? I want to see if MTG players are still so socially stunted they will white knight pedos.


 No.356647

>>356631

No just bitching from the typical lefty loons who probably have ALOT of secrets they don't want coming out.


 No.356655

>>356631

Mostly contained to reddit where faggots like the guy in >>354862 (pic) claims it will cost to much and there was no reason to do it and WAAAH NOW I'M RECEIVED DEATH THREATS

It's likely going to be a quiet culling because, really, who the fuck is going to publicize that they started doing background checks and found out that more than just a dozen of their judges and volunteers were pedos and sex offenders?


 No.356656

>>356647

>>356631

>>356655

The only way I could see it taking off is if, after a month or so, a store owners compiles a list of the expenses he's had to endure due to WotC's policies shunting the cost of background checks to LGSs. If a store needs to choose between staying in business and having judges who aren't sex offenders, then it'll be a bad look.

Until then, expect either silence or "of course it was a good thing, unsleeved media just tried to co-opt it by making the issue political" revisionism.


 No.356658

>>356656

In some areas, background checks don't cost anything, if I recall correctly, but even on the high end, it's like 20 dollarydoos. On the low end, you just pull up the sex offender registry and search their name. In the case of employees, the average application has felons required, by law, to state if they've been convicted of anything and what.


 No.356660

>>356658

I had heard the cost varied but I didn't realize the high end was $20. Guess we won't hear much unless someone starts screeching about it, then.


 No.356666

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>>356660

Yup. Anyone bitching about how background checks will financially ruin small LGSs is full of shit.


 No.356681

>>356656

Why the fuck are stores doing background checks? The stores have zero interaction with the judges organization.


 No.356682

>>356658

This is one of the.. problems with these volunteer programs. It's why Privater press shut down their press ganger program. These people are in effect employees doing promotional work. One of them sued over owed income and won in some American state. This sent a ripple where suddenly companies terrified of law suits dropped their ambassador programs on the spot. They bill would have collapsed most of them.

Wizards "pays" in product which the judges then sell on ebay to earn less than minimum wage. Judge promos are worth so much because they're how they "top up" the judges not!wages.


 No.356798

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So yea this just happened.


 No.356799

>>356798

…And then they all go to competing publishers, who nigh-instantly release to the much larger audience, and DnD burns to the ground in a long-desired virtue-signaling bushfire that fertilizes the ground of RPGs for years.


 No.356802


 No.356803

>>356798

Someone tweet at him telling him that's exactly what Marvel has been doing and ask him how that worked out for them.


 No.356805

File: 6ca837b42bd64f8⋯.png (78.83 KB, 656x520, 82:65, Surprised_Sasuke_by_ineap0….png)

>>356798

>gatekeeping via rules complexity and lore density

Why is he saying this like it's a bad thing?




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