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I'll start.


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>those Egyptians

B-but I thought we wuz kangz…


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The Bronze Age was fucking gay.



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Don't forget not only were the Egyptians originally Semitic (so ivory skinned) but the Greeks were blonde haired and blue eyed.







Doesn't that image portray forced circumcisions or something?



Not always forced but yeah.



Ramsesses II aka "The Great" was a redhead



So did the Jews lear circumcision from the Egyptians, who in turn learned it from kangz?



>So did the Jews lear circumcision from the Egyptians,

That's what wikipedia says.

>Circumcision was also adopted by some Semitic peoples living in or around Egypt.

>Circumcision is the world's oldest planned surgical procedure, suggested by anatomist and hyperdiffusionist historian Grafton Elliot Smith to be over 15,000 years old, pre-dating recorded history.

It's difficult to find remains of tiny flaps of skin after so many thousands of years, so who came up with this clever alternative to body hygiene will probably never be determined conclusively.


Do any of you guys have the art of a giant roman soldier or citizen? I need it for roleplay purposes.



Dont lewd those gigantic centurions, anon.


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I just like roleplaying as retired roman soldiers enjoying their citizenship with some slaves. Is that bad?

I also want giantic neanderthals, but I guess that is for another thread.


>Bronze Age

>posts Romans



You are not wrong in that the image posted shows steel armor and weapons.

But the early Roman armies used bronze.


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>I just like roleplaying as retired roman soldiers enjoying their citizenship with some slaves. Is that bad?

That could be a fun character to play, but it would be very historically inaccurate. As it's 8chan /tg/ I assume that you're autistic enough to care. After the second Punic War the slaves that came back to Rome were almost completely monopolised by the landed gentry (the sort of men who had a fairly easy ride of the campaign). This created a large number of poor veterans and their families who simply could not run a family farm competitively with the slave-run mega farms undercutting them on price. Most of these newly created poor Roman class moved to Rome hoping to find work and put incredible pressure on the political and social systems that were in place at the time, resulting in some of the more interesting politicians and political shenanigans to come out of the late Republican period of Roman history. It would actually make a pretty cool setting for an RPG if you played it right.



Were slaves that expensive? couldn't a middle class family buy a domestic slave?

Character: Retired poor auxiliar soldier who got citizenship.

Objective: Get some fucking slaves, just out of principle.



>Were slaves that expensive?

A slave wasn't a one time cost, you also had to handle the lifelong upkeep, and as the soldiers serving in the 2nd Punic war were taken away from their homes for several years, instead of a few months, their families had been forced to sell pretty much everything just to pay the bills. This lead to a large number of these families selling their land to wealthier citizens just to be able to afford to feed their children, which lead to a small number of very large and growing mega-farms, which drove the price for slaves up until only the wealthy could realistically afford to buy them. Supply and Demand can be a bitch like that.

Most of these landless families travelled to Rome looking for work There was no work on the mega-farms because how can you compete with a guy who has no choice but to work for free?, which lead to a huge number of homeless soldiers and their families hoping for day labour tier jobs. The majority of them started joining the political gangs associated with the Populares faction (party) in the Senate. These gangs started everything from street-fights to borderline insurrections, and eventually they and the politicians involved weakened the Republic to the point that Caesar was able to stage his coup and become Emperor.

If you wanted to base a PC on these guys then their motivation would most likely be something closer to 'beat the shit out of those guys working for the Optimes because our tribune told us that would help him push through the expansion to the grain dole'. If you wanted him to buy a slave, even if just on principle, he'd need to get rich enough to buy (back) enough land to support his family and the slave(s).



>so who came up with this clever alternative to body hygiene will probably never be determined conclusively.

While his name may be forgotten and we may never know where he lived or from whom he had descended but what we can surmise that he was a man for whom washing a dick was so troublesome he ventured to cut part of it off rather than be burdened with the labor of cleaning it. Taking a bronze, or worse case scenario, stone, blade to a penis proved to be the lesser of two evils and then after completing the task he thought to himself "Yes, this will work, I will go and teach my methods to the other men and show them the fruits of my genius", and he did and they saw and they in like mind also thought "Yes, this is the answer we have sought".

Truly those were days of high adventure.



The point isn't what the waepons are made of in the drawings, the point is that the Bronze Age ended before that point.




The Romans call the Egyptians the "red people" and Romans were known for being pretty literal when recording shit.

In reality, it's likely that the Egyptian race was kind of a reddish brown and was completely bred out by now.



But wuz they kangz???



they wuz gods and shiet


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what do you thinkof these ancient egyptian artifacts with blue eyes then? were they just redskinned people with blue eyes?



>"red people"

We call this "sunburnt cracka" at my hometown.



Baby blue eyes. It wouldn't be a stretch to say eternal youth would be linked to such. This explains any place with a touch of Caucasian. Not the Inca though.



Don't forget that the ruling (and most likely priestly) class of Ancient Egypt had very heavy Hellenic & European links. They've dug up blonde Pharaohs for crying out loud.



I had the wrong impression that you were rewarded some plow of land after serving in the legion.

Soldiers resenting evil überrich for profiting from disgrace and looking to get rich to get a slave.

I kinda like that.



Color was an integral part of the sustance of being in every aspect of the Egyptian life. Blue, for example was associated with Amon, and therefore the cosmic aspect of life.

That statue is likely a funerary ornament of a priest or one of the higher chastes.



This is also the reason why some Pharaohs are depticted as black.

Black is associated with Anubis and means death, and death is a really important part in egyptian religion. A Pharaoh cannot die because he's a god, so when he's painted black in his tomb it means that he has already reincarnated in the form of the new Pharaoh.






Daily reminder that they are false gods and only Aton deserves praise.



Are we getting hypster with gods?

In that case I'm a greek that only worships Kronos and Ananke.


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whats wrong with anubis? he a good doggu


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Not Legionaries, they were all Roman citizens who most likely came from families who already had their own smallholding. The Auxiliaries were non Romans who served for 25 years and, if they survived, were awarded a small plot of land and granted full Roman citizenship for themselves, their wives and children (and thus all their descendants). The Auxiliaries were the specialists of the Roman military; mostly forming units of archers, slingers, cavalry etc. Webm related focuses a lot more on the legionaries but it's still worth a watch if you're looking to run a game including the Roman military. Running a game where the PCs are Auxiliary light infantry or scout cavalry motivated by the promise of their own farm and Roman citizenship at the end could be kind of interesting.


>getting hypster with gods

>worshipping the Olympians while claiming to be hyp.

How passe. I worship Herne, Lugh, and The Morrigan; you've probably never herd of them.



Could slaves enlist?

Also, Kronos and Ananke were gods that were the parents of Kaos, the origin of all greek gods, be them primordials, titans or olimpians.

Also, don't confuse Kronos, which is the god of time, with Kronus, with his the god of human time like seasons and also was the father of Zeus.


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>basic bitch Celtic gods that every wiccan and her grandma worships

hahahah good luck guessing this gods name hint:you cant



I remember reading about some gladiators joining the auxilia/legion after buying themselves out of slavery.



>Could slaves enlist?

Not under any circumstance. The Romans were big on military pride, and would have seen having slaves in their ranks as dishonouring the legion. Slaves were the lowest class of the conquered people after all.


>Not worshipping Celtic gods in the traditional way and sacrificing the recently enslaved in their name.


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>celtic methods of sacrifice

>not hanging people from trees by their feet and stabbing them to death with sacred spears and then drinking their gathered blood before battle

absolutely walha



Not even a freed slave? or a former gladiator with roman patriotism.



You are very wrong in an aspect though, the hellenic and european links came way, wayyy after the ancient egypt we all think off, we are talking about ptolemaic egypt wich was egypt after being conquered by alexander, ancient egyptian pharaohs were most likely the same as the common people but lighter due to the fact they didnt have to work in the fields and such.


In the future, try not to make too many art dump threads, or at least don't bump old ones when others are still recently active.



As far as I'm aware the only slaves likely to be freed were successful Gladiators who could afford to buy their freedom from their owners. They were top level celebrities by that point though, and had experienced a decade or so of wealthy Roman women paying them for a night with their own famous, ludicrously muscular, Alpha as fuck, manwhore. The liberated gladiators almost all went on to open their own Gladiator schools and field their own teams of slaves in the Gladiatorial games, as they could make stupid amounts of money that way. Also the skill set a Gladiator had gained wouldn't do them much good in the Legions, as they were focused on putting on a show rather than standing in a disciplined formation and doing exactly as they were told. They were also likely too old for enlistment by the point they were freed (and I'm not sure they gained citizenship with their freedom).


Germanocucks do not impress me.



Fuck, I'm losing all my characer concepts. Because I guess young slaves or gladiators wouldn't be able to get some early freedom or some shit.



When a Roman noble died, sometimes he would have a message in his will stating that one of his slaves, who had been loyal to him or whom he had favored, should be freed. Sometimes he would free one of his slaves while he was still alive because the slave performed some great service, like saving his life or helping him get rescue his prostitute girlfriend from her pimp so they can run away together (a common theme in Roman comedy). The ritual of freeing a slave was called manumission and the once this was performed the slave was a freedman. A freedman had certain rights of citizenship but could not hold civil or religious office. A freedman's son however would have the full rights of citizenship.




A Roman citizen was allowed to give freedom to any particular slave for any reason. This wasn't socially unacceptable but wasn't pretty common, I guess it depends on the kind of master you had and the kind of things you did.






Also yes, a liberti was allowed to become a plebian citizen, and therefore technically allowed to join the Legion. They were not allowed, however, to hold public office or state priesthoods, nor could they achieve legitimate senatorial rank.

Moreso, the descendants of a liberti was considered free, and therefore entitled to full Roman citizenship.



If a liberti was owned by a Roman citizen at the moment of their manumission the slave would get not only passive freedom, but also political freedom, including but not limited to the right to vote in the public forum.



>This wasn't socially unacceptable but wasn't pretty common

Hence why I said that gladiators were the only slaves 'likely' to be freed, as that appears to have happened (or at the very least been recorded) more often.



>The Roman Republic would still be around today if it weren't for the Gracchi brothers.

Oh fuck off. It was Marian's retarded pension reforms that created the warlords that made the republic impossible. While the Senate was responsible for the soldiers pensions the soldiers were loyal to the senate, when the general(warlord) was responsible for the soldiers pensions the soldiers were loyal to their general, when the emperor was responsible for the soldiers pensions the soldiers were loyal to the emperor. It's not fucking rocket science.


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germanic tribes and their descendants controlled europe for well over a thousand years


literally raped and cucked out of existence, what gaulic girls were carried off by the romans were seduced/raped by the franks

alrighty there partner


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Does anyone want to tell him how he missed the joke there?


>Be virgin Germanocuck.

>Need to hide pathetic soy ravaged body under armour due to social anxiety.

>Be so desperate to appear strong and masculine that you need to build a fake brass moustache on your helmet.

>Be reassured by such a pathetic and tiny fake moustache.

<Be Celtic Chad.

<Give so few fucks that you charge into battle naked.

<In the middle of winter.

<In the fucking mountains.

<Have friendly competition with your friends based on how many enemies you can literally bludgeon to death with your war boner.

You're pathetic



<Celtic Chad

The celts were huge fags


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Is that really the best you've got?



So my understanding is that Ancient Egyptians were not negroes but also weren't White Europeans as we now understand the term, but were in fact some group that was kind of tan and doesn't exist anymore. Is it so that the ancient Egyptians had negro slaves or wars with blacks? I've seen a picture that showed an Egyptian in a chariot running over what appear to be sub-saharan Africans. What about the claim that Egypt was conquered by blacks? Did that happen?




>literally raped and cucked out of existence

Then how do you account for the fact that they still exist?


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they literally were though, romans claimed the celtic women were huge whores that cucked their men all the time, and the men would sleep with each other before battle.

meanwhile the same romans claimed the germans literally threw faggots into bogs

historical evidence is against you, skraeling


>they still exist

not for long, theres some minute populations of them in northern france (one of the areas most hit by shitskin immigration because thats where they jump boat to england from) and ireland and scotland (also both pozzed and kebabed to shit, and oh btw red hair likely comes from northern europeans, not celts. so viking genetic influence on the british isles is alot bigger than previously thought)



>Be a Roman

>Want to fuck men so bad

>Declare that the man getting fucked is 'puer spintria' (anal boy) which is basically the same thing as a woman

>Come on, he must be a woman, because he's taking a dick!

>Constantly reassure yourself that everyone agrees that it's totally not gay when you fuck other men

Yeah, these are totally people I would trust to stick to accurate descriptions of other cultures sexual practices in their propaganda!







So… what is the youngest and oldest age an slave could be joining or leaving the colisseum and what is the youngerst and oldest age someone could join the legion or any of the auxiliarie regiments?



Well, you couldn't become a gladiator until you became of age (so 14 for boys), it was considered barbaric and illegal, and you couldn't join the army if you were under 20.

There doesn't seem to be an age cap though. Have in mind, Rome was a very millitaristic society, every man who had two arms was trained in how to use a sword, even when they weren't soldiers, so I suppose everyone strong enough to carry a sword could enlist if they wanted to (as long as they were 20 years old or more)



There's still an ongoing debate over the age of gladiators, it's not something that the Romans seem to have written laws about (or if they did they've been lost between then and now). From what we do know it was unusual for a Gladiator to survive more than ten fights, and on average they would have fought in 3 to 4 contests a year. The two best theories for average age at death come from G. Ville and M. Junkelmann; with Ville estimating an average age at death of 27 and Junkelmann proposing '18-25'. Going from these estimates, and the 10 fights before death/3-4 fights a year estimates, the average Gladiator would have most likley started his career between his 15th and 24th birthdays. Even without laws though the Gladiators owners would probably not be putting children into the arena as they'd be unlikely to put up a good fight, it'd look barbaric, and could seriously damage the owners reputation and social life.

Average ages of new legionaries is more clearly established. The youngest and oldest new recruits we have evidence for were 11 and 40. Those were most likely extremely unusual cases though, the average age of a new recruit would have been somewhere in the mid to late teens or possibly the early twenties.




Yeah, ussually you were a gladiator until either you were dead or you retired. There has been a record of a guy dying on his 90's, way after retirement.

>The youngest and oldest new recruits we have evidence for were 11 and 40.

Early life legionaries were extremely unusual, probably from some senator or similar person of high social status and political presence that wanted his kid to fight for the emprah or something.



Calais isn't in Brittany, dipshit.



This is exactly the same attitude niggers in prison have to justify why they aren't gay when they sodomize another man.



Did you know that to a Roman it was considered gayer to eat a pussy than to suck a dick?


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I thought early gladiator fights were more like prowrestle leagues than death combats as no gladiator school wanted to lose so much money invested in the training and feeding of a gladiator.

Ok, then how about this concept for a character in a roman setting?

>Born into slavery

>Never met his parents and was sold before he had any memory

>He became the little servant of a retired centurion, being small, cute and feminine, doing roman things but also learning some fighting movements just because the boy was impressed and the old centurion wanted to brag

>He is told since he had memory how cool and magnificent the Roman Empire is, believing it with all his soul and becoming a rome fanatic even while being a slave

>When he is 11 his old master and he walk through the streets and are assaulted by two or three bandits, the young slave killing them all and showing some potential even if he gets pretty wounded

>The old see the boy's talent and enlist him in a gladiatory school, to be trained and start his carreer when he was 14

>He fights for 10 years, being a pretty effective yet awkward gladiator, also growing pretty fast into becoming a bear

>Master dies of old age and his sons don't have neither the money nor the interest in taking care of the slaves, so they free them all and tell them to fuck off

>Young slave now being a 24 years old wrestler-like man goes to enlist because he wants to repay his duty to Rome

Does it suck? is everything I planned too impossible to be done?



>I thought early gladiator fights were more like prowrestle leagues than death combats as no gladiator school wanted to lose so much money invested in the training and feeding of a gladiator.

The people had paid to see blood. Granted, not every defeat resulted in death, but the crowds cried for mercy a lot less after the fall of the Republic.

From the point of view of the owners investment they accepted that it was a bulk deal. Of every 100 gladiators you bought 60 would die before paying for themselves, 39 wouldn't really make all that much of a profit before they died, but the one guy who made it big would pay for the others and then some. It wasn't just the prizes from the tournaments either, we know that it was relatively common for wealthy roman wives to hire gladiators for a night of 'personal services', and we've recovered significant evidence of successful gladiators getting sponsorship deals just like modern football players - there's one particular mosaic that was found on the main road into Rome that shows a man wearing ornate armour, and then some Latin text that more or less translates as "My name is Marcus Romannameus, Champion of 15 Colosseum tournaments, and I use Scipio brand Olive Oil. Scipio brand Olive Oil, the winners choice".

As for the character idea, it's not impossible - it'd be exceptional and weird as hell though, check it with the GM before the game.


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>hanging people by their feet instead of their necks

>drinking a thrall's blood instead of sprinkling it on your icons, weapons and armor




Ancient Greece and Rome really didn't care if you were fucking dudes as long as you weren't the one getting fucked. Playing the role of the woman made you a laughingstock and in Athens being a male prostitute meant you lost the rights of being a citizen because you became equivalent to a women this way (some guy won a case this way). It wasn't considered that strange for a married man to fuck guys (mostly young boys of course). What would be strange was stuff like Nero did, where he had his favorite catamite Sporus castrated and then conducted a marriage ceremony with him and had him dress like a woman. In summation, traps aren't gay as long as you aren't the trap.


We wuz Trojans an' shieet


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Shitposting is eternal. Just remember, you're here forever.



Not at all, faggotry was still considered degenerate back then.


Rome is Iron Age, why are people here talking about it?

Also, loads and loads of bullshit.



Relevance to the OP decreases with every post. If you want to get back on the Bronze Age then post something that prompts a discussion.



This has already been pointed out and faggots ignored it to fantasize about owning slaves.



> but were in fact some group that was kind of tan and doesn't exist anymore.

Correct, the closest modern day relatives would be people from morocco, and thats a long shot, they were literally bred out of existence.

You need to understand ancient egypt is ANCTIENT, hell, by the time the myceans started being relevant (the precursors to classical greece, the pyramids were OLD as hell, by the time of the bronze age collapse they were apparently extremely decadent, we are not sure if they actually stopped the sea peoples while EVERYONE else failed or if it was just goverment propaganda, we know very little about ancient egypt and what we know is thanks to the rosetta stone and the surviving records of ptolemaic egypt.

> Is it so that the ancient Egyptians had negro slaves or wars with blacks?

Yeah, they had contact with ancient nubians, wich are modern day ethiopians, they had wars, trade and all kinds of interactions since egyptians were still figuring out how to farm.

>What about the claim that Egypt was conquered by blacks? Did that happen?

Ive heard about that but never read on the matter, it could have actually happened though, nubians were not savages as sub-saharan blacks and had a functioning state that had been interacting with egypt since forever.



Theres also celts in spain, galicians.


Back then a faggot wasnt the same as what we think of today.

The manliest sex act a roman man could do was to make another dude suck his dick, if forcibly then he was trully a man amongst all men.

The male was the one that penetrated, as long as you werent penetrated, you could fuck wathever you wanted while praising the god of your preference.


Because some guy wants to work on his character's backstory, and rome is pretty fucking cool no matter how you look at it.




Which Moroccans? The Berbers or the Arabs? And why Morocco?

I've heard it said that the Sardinians are the closest to the Ancient Egyptians..


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Berbers of course, they are the ones that have been holding out on those mountains since before the muslims came around, also notice that some still have the reddish tint to their skin.

>why morocco

Perhaps some of them migrated there somewhere in time?

We dont know, they just have the closest matching DNA.

You have to understand these are very ancient people we know little about.



>Theres also celts in spain, galicians.

Celtiberians were actually really neat people, some historians theorize they invented mail.




Then again, PCs are ussually exceptional cases.



How wealthy would he be when he was freed? If he wants to join the legion he'll need to pay for his own gear and uniform, and depending on the year his own food while on campaign.


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Well according to Diocletian's "Edict of Maximum Prices", most prices are in relation to the cost of wheat at the time.

1 modius = 20.6 libra/pounds of wheat = 100 denarii

>Sword: ~60 libra

>Focale: ~75 libra

>Calligae: ~75 libra

>Boots (without hobnails): ~100 libra

No info about the lorica or the helmet themselves but lets just say around 1000 libra for the whole kit.

On top of that you would have to provide regular maintainance for your gear.

>Polisher for a sword: ~25 libra

>For a helmet: ~25 libra

>For a hatchet (for cutting wood): ~6 libra

>For a double axe (an economic solution for when the blade goes dull on one side): ~8 libra

>For a sword scabbard: ~100 libra

Now a legionary in the times of Caesar would be making around 225 modius a year.



An auxilia would be making 1/3 of what a legionary makes.



also I fucked up. The wages of a legionary are in denarii, not in modii



Pretty much this. All negative things we know about pre-christian Europe are lies made up by vile Judeo-Christians. Good thing we have such brave time travellers as this anon, who work hard on correcting the record.


Does anyone know anything about the Hittites? A book I'm reading now features them and they seem pretty tough.



Apparently it was them that tamed the horses and created the chariots.


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They're one of the most researched 'lost empires' but we still don't have much information on them. They were a pretty hardcore militant culture that spread across Central Asia and the Middle East by beating the shit out of anyone who ended up in front of them. The Empire probably collapsed a decade or so after they gained more land than they could reasonably control. There's going to be a shitload more information out there if you're interested in them. If you're going to pick a Bronze Age culture to include in your game you could certainly do a lot worse (assuming you can fill in the gaps as needed for your setting).

They also produced one particular character from a setting that /tg/ loves to hate and hates to love.



>They also produced one particular character from a setting that /tg/ loves to hate and hates to love.




Why, the Emperor of course.



I think the emperor popped out way before the bronze age, probably during the neolithic.



They only ever existed in Anatolia, never Central Asia.

Their history got pretty well researched by now, and their empire didn't fall due to being too extensive, but due to constant and multi-generational royal assassinations and civil wars.

The Royal families, nobles and high rank military men all killed each other.



No, the Indo-Europeans did that. The Hittites are a spawn of the Indo-Europeans.


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yeah, this anon is right, horses and wheels were a PIE thing. chariots came later. Hittites were one of the earliest PIE groups that settled in the Med.




Do Turks play "we wuz Hittites n' shiet"?



No. Although their mongoloid admixture is ridiculously small from the Turkic times, they were brainwashed to think they are Islamists Turks, when it fact they were Byzantines, Greeks and Hittites throughout almost all of their existence.


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And if anyone wants to create a setting in Bronze, this here was the Female's Summer Leisure Clothing of the time.

Be sure to fap correctly.


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>TFW you realise they don't make women like that anymore.


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So if one were to create a bronze-age fantasy setting what features would be requirements.

> city states

> loose pantheons of the patron deities of each city-state with token monotheists

> strong ethnic/tribal divisions

> magic that focuses on wards, curses and contractual bondage (not just slavery, but alliances and ties to fulfill expected duties) rather than fireballs and lightning bolts

> divine bloodlines

> war, all the time and everywhere

> no or few distinctions between political and religious authorities

> rigid social hierarchies

> any territory wilder than the outskirts of the towns and cities is full of chimeric terror-beasts ready and waiting to eat/seduce you

> humans only?




>> humans only?

Humans only in the core areas. On the fringes there should be various fantastical races of humanoids who are absolute barbarians. The best example is Centaurs.

It should be made clear to the players that slavery is acceptable. And you should probably just do away with an alignment system entirely. If you want something to replace it, have a system of piety which defines how much a character obeys the gods.

>> magic that focuses on wards, curses and contractual bondage (not just slavery, but alliances and ties to fulfill expected duties) rather than fireballs and lightning bolts

You should also add literal necromancy, speaking with dead spirits. Magic potions and brews also. Medicine, magic, and religion should be almost indistinguishable from each other.




Dont forget reptilian civilizations and necromantic sorcery.



I do have an idea for a caveman sci fi setting, but I guess I'll wait for the stone age thread.



what's the story behind titty priestess?



I have in mind a bronze-age world where elves totally dominate humanity because they can only be seriously hurt with sacred metal iron that is.



That was genuine Minoan women's clothing.


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what a beautiful culture


Which civilization made ziggurats and what was there purpose?



Nile civilization made a lot of them, it was a way to deter from grave stealing since a hole in the ground was way too easy to access. It then evolved into the pyramids.



In Mesopotamia, however, it took a different turn. They acted as a way for priests to be safe during flash floods as well as a place of worship.

And then you had the American civilizations that also had them as a place of worship. It was like a pyramid, but easier to build and cheaper.



>They acted as a way for priests to be safe during flash floods as well as a place of worship.

Citation needed. No, seriously. I always was under the impression that ziggurats simply were the largest, most monumental buildings that people back in the day could come up with, given their limited technology and resources.




You could always search it yourself. If you know the name Ziggurat, then you know how to find your way.

Adding to what the guy said, Ziggurats were also used for religious ceremonies and as an astral observatory.


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>No, seriously. I always was under the impression that ziggurats simply were the largest, most monumental buildings that people back in the day could come up

If I were to build a giant structure with the intent of making it last forever a triangle is a good choice, especially considering erosion of the winds. Most big ass buildings being built today like Skyscrapers in the modern era are actually really vulnerable to wear and tear and without constant maintenance will collapse relatively shortly when compared over the span of time of an average monument's life expectancy.



It's not certain how representative the Egtved girl is for her time period. It's likely that she was an exceptional case and that most women didn't run around like that, especially not in denmark.



But they did have iron in the bronze-age. Meteoric iron. The Hittites are well known for having it in relatively large quantities.


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Tell me anon, what was the significance of the titty window?



It's so you can see her tits. Are you gay or something?


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Come one, there must be a further reasoning behind that, itsa widespread cultural thing afterall.


They look like dresses from the 20s.


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>ankle-length skirts from the 20s


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The only setting I've seen that utilized ancient Mesopotamian aesthetics was Dark Sun.



>Come one, there must be a further reasoning behind that, itsa widespread cultural thing afterall.

Widespread cultural things have happened for much sillier reasons than wanting to see some boobs m8. If you want a less perverse, more practical, reason for it I imagine the high temperature and different cultural norms re: exposure would have played a part in it.



If I would have to take a guess, it would have something to do with upper-caste women being closer to some sort of fertility goddess, hence the bared breasts. To this end, not covering your breasts if you are a lower-caste woman probably brought you in trouble.

Fun Fact: The entire Hijab crap from Muslim culture originally was a veil that upper-class women wore to protect their precious faces from dirt and sandstorms, whereas commoners walked without any headclothes. The entire "all men will lust for me if I show my face" presumably came after some Imam or what not got cucked once too often.


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I find the lack of Hallstatt and nordic cultures concerning-



That's Woden lad


>and then drinking their gathered blood before battle

You were doing great until this point


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It's just simple analysis of sources anon, no need to get so butthurt


>Minoans hand covering their chest






2nd pic should be called chessBC.png




>no need to get so butthurt

It's 8chan, if a post starts talking about jews then there's a 90% chance of inbound butthurt.


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reminder that copts still exist and are pretty much direct descendants from ancient egyptians


humans only. if you arent running it like Conan Odyssey you are doing it wrong.


>Come one, there must be a further reasoning behind that, itsa widespread cultural thing afterall.

men like looking at tits and women like getting attention. such is a human nature and you cannot deny it


glorantha must have some of these.



>Dark Sun

I still love that Dark Sun noble's gigantic hat.



>men like looking at tits and women like getting attention. such is a human nature and you cannot deny it

Im not saying it isnt, but its too specific that its only reserved for high class women and priestess.

Like >>376266 must have something to do with fertility.



The whole set of rules about needing multiple witnesses for adultery is a direct result of Mohammed getting cucked.



Aboriginal australians pretty much all carried the genes for redheaded-ness, despite being very dark-skinned. This is theorised to be due to denisovan DNA (denisovans were predominantly redheads with dark skin, who eventually got bred out by/intermingled with homo sapiens).

Being a redhead actually doesn't have much to do with skin color.

We also know that the genes for redheads were a lot more common around the mediterranean in antiquity than they are now. These are recessive genes, and are going to fade out of existence eventually, even if all readheads systematically only breed with other redheads.

Ramses II could very well have looked like a red-haired nubian.



The image also depicts gallic-pattern helms and iberian-pattern gladii, which are typical iron-age equipment developed by gauls and iberians shortly before their conquest by the late Republic/early Empire.

Bronze-age romans looked nothing like that, since they hadn't copied celtic innovations in armoring and weaponry yet.



The romans are known for being pretty litteral when recording ROMAN shit. Or specific roman shit pertaining to people who aren't their political enemies.

Roman diplomats exaggerated the shit out of everyone else on a regular basis, and archeological finds have contradicted roman historical accounts on numerous occasions.

To be fair, this goes for accounts by pretty much everyone else too.

Much of what was written in the ancient world would be considered propaganda by modern standards, and should not be held in higher regard than actual archeological evidence.



>redheads fade from existence

Please read aloud the statement you made, and then explain the mechanisms by which it will occur.

Don't spread science Facts! journalists devise. That one is right up there with greenhouse gases turning Earth into Venus 2.0 within a hundred-fifty years.



The whole "celts charging into battle naked" is mostly hypothetical, and mostly based on accounts by their roman enemies, who had a significant track record of doing their best to make them look disproportionately uncivilised despite having been best buddies for decades/centuries before the triumvirate decided to take them as slaves instead of trade partners.

All celts could afford a tunic, trousers and sandals. This is most likely the minimum that everybody wore on the battlefield. Nobles and people from rich merchant families had very good iron armor in the form of helmets and a mail shirt (the same thing that the romans called "lorica hamata" when it became a common piece of equipment in Rome.

Contrary to popular misconceptions spread by Astérix and D&D, the celts were a civilisation of urbanized merchants living in the safety of their fortified oppidums, not warrior-savages living innawoods and communing with nature and shit. Ironically, the celts talked a big game about being fearsome warriors, but they were really just great at metallurgy, trading and building walls (compared to the technology of the other european peoples at the time). Hence, they ended up getting conquered by an actual warrior-people, and gradually bred out of existence by consecutive latin and germanic migrations.

Archaeologists now believe that at least the continental celts lived in elegant buildings with tiled roofs, laid out in towns with public squares or forums.

They also crafted metalwork even more complex than what was commonly produced by Romans, even before the invasion in 52BCE.

Also, the whole "gauls afraid of the sky falling onto their heads" thing was probably a joke-insult to romans that got hillariously misinterpreted. When asked by a roman diplomat "aren't you afrait of the might of Rome?" a gallic noble answered "I am sooner afraid of the sky falling onto my head than of Rome's armies". This sounds a lot more like an implied boasting that he was not afraid of Rome at all, since it was obviously impossible for the sky to fall. But 19th century french romanticists re-interpreted it as some a display of the "noble savages"' virtuous ignorance instead.

The celts did occasionally perform a ritual sacrifice of humans to honor their gods, though. Something that the romans thought was degenerate.

Meanwhile, roman haruspexes thought it was perfectly rational to slaughter and waste dozens of perfectly good sheep before making any important decisions, in order to devine future outcomes from the shape of their entrails and make "informed" decisions…



Horned helmets were rare and mostly ceremonial, they would not be worn on the battlefield, for obvious practical reasons. Like with the shape of Thor's hammer, the gods can get away with this stuff, but not mortals who have to deal with the laws of physics.

Hemets are made with compound curves in order to deflect blows, because one of the most common causes of death on ancient and medieval battlefields is getting your atlas vertebra (the one connecting the skull with the spine) shattered by a strong hit.

A horned helmet would instead "catch" blows, so that more energy would have to be absorbed by your neck, thus increasing the risk of lethal injury instead of reducing it.

It's just as suicidal a design as the dreaded boob-plate of Hollywood fame.



>Archaeologists now believe that at least the continental celts lived in elegant buildings with tiled roofs, laid out in towns with public squares or forums.

How do you explain the fortress-villages found throughout spain then?

>Meanwhile, roman haruspexes thought it was perfectly rational to slaughter and waste dozens of perfectly good sheep

Are you seriusly implying that killing sheep is the same as killing human beings?



>>>376688 (You)

>>Archaeologists now believe that at least the continental celts lived in elegant buildings with tiled roofs, laid out in towns with public squares or forums.

>How do you explain the fortress-villages found throughout spain then?

Fortified cities and fortified towns was a big thing in european antiquity, urbanisation was a thing. Iberians were also not the "barbarians" that pop culture made them out to be. There was no such thing as "barbarians". They were legit civilisations.

>>Meanwhile, roman haruspexes thought it was perfectly rational to slaughter and waste dozens of perfectly good sheep

>Are you seriusly implying that killing sheep is the same as killing human beings?

In the sense that sacrifice is an irrational practice altogether, then I guess yes. But that's not my point. I'm not talking about contemporary ethics, because of course killing people for bullshit reasons is ethically unjustifiable.

I'm just pointing out that slaughtering a bunch of livestock for bullshit reasons isn't better, although it's something that the romans thought made them superior to the "barbarians", while they wasted literal fortunes on fortune-telling. A herd of sheep was indeed worth more than many people were.

In the ancient world, livestock was hella valuable, especially since wool and milk were renewable resources, but still very much finite.



You're retarded. Two things:

1. The "red head" gene, is actually many genes of MC1R. The more you have of it, the less black melanin you'll produce and more of the red one.

2. Not all genes function cross-racially. Did you know that? The European genes for light-skin don't work on Asians, neither does the red effect of MC1R on them. The Asian light skin gene also doesn't work in Europeans. Incredible, right? If you ever see a red-haired asian, he'll be of a mixed race, as it's common for asians to have the red-haired variants of MC1R but not being red heads themselves.

Also, Nubian? Fuck off.


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My phrasing was unclear. by "the genes for redheaded-ness", I did not mean "the ONLY genes for redheadedness". I also did write it as plural.

And I did not mean that, for example, the red-head genes that are theorised as coming from denisovan vestigial DNA in australian aboriginals would be the same genes for red-headedness found among other populations, or that they would work the same in other people.

Indeed, there are several distinct mutations that can produce this result, and which don,t necessarily work the same in every genome. That is entirely correct and I am aware of this.

The point I was trying to make is simply that people can have red hair without being ethnically white-europeans. Because for some reason people seem to assume that red-head = not from north-africa/south mediterranean.

I bothered posting this because many people try to use the "Ramses II was genetically a redhead" conclusion as meaning "Ramses II was white-european" (and somehow all ancient egyptians by extension), which is erroneous.



>Also, Nubian? Fuck off.

My exact phrasing was "Ramses II could very well have LOOKED LIKE a red-haired nubian".

I did not mean that he was actually from nubia or ethnically nubian.


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You know what annoys me? When the armour is in bronze but the weapon tip isn't. I know that would've been done historically but still, I'm a stickler for consistency.


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Those were random Mesopotamian ones.

These are random Egyptians.


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Again, sorry if any of these end up having iron looking weapon tips.


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That'll do for now.



Very cool, thanks anon. Mind giving me the sources?


I believe the horned helmet in my pic is being used in a ceremonial sense tbqh


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>Im not saying it isnt, but its too specific that its only reserved for high class women and priestess.

well, if they were not wealthy they would need to work fields and shit and getting your titt>>376692

>Horned helmets were rare and mostly ceremonial, they would not be worn on the battlefield, for obvious practical reasons. Like with the shape of Thor's hammer, the gods can get away with this stuff, but not mortals who have to deal with the laws of physics.

>Hemets are made with compound curves in order to deflect blows, because one of the most common causes of death on ancient and medieval battlefields is getting your atlas vertebra (the one connecting the skull with the spine) shattered by a strong hit.

>A horned helmet would instead "catch" blows, so that more energy would have to be absorbed by your neck, thus increasing the risk of lethal injury instead of reducing it.

>It's just as suicidal a design as the dreaded boob-plate of Hollywood fame.

you're retarded

first of all how a people one step ahead f

second of all, soldiers are not reasonable human beings. if they could they would without hestitation run around naked on the battlefield with penises painted on their chest screeming how their enemies souls will never rest because of shame of being killed by leonidas the buttnaked or some shit. or horned/winged helmets that look fucking awesome


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also posting my part



That ajax looks fucking rad man.



That's a cute athena

tfw no goddess gf


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>Would follow Leonidus the buttnaked into battle


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>leonidas the buttnaked

And this is where we are. The whole point of retelling the story of the Battle of Thermopylae is to teach a couple of lessons. Choosing the terrain for battle. The benefits of a trained, standing army. And having superior equipment.

Would need drugs, or trances to pull the berserker ability to go effectively unarmored.



>Would need drugs, or trances to pull the berserker ability to go effectively unarmored.

Odds are it would still be a suicide run, drugs might keep you fighting for long enough to make enough of an impact to make it a worthwhile exchange for your side.


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You probably could have stopped at choosing terrain for battle, because no one can dispute that with leonidas.

But the main point is that soldiers are crazy, and they most certainly are. Even a well trained soldier is solidly less then reasonable because their job is rather exactly, get yelled at, wait around for long periods of time, do the most unproductive work imaginable, and live in random holes that you did to maybe die in. Smart rational fella's avoid the soldier life and dumb rational fella's may use the army to avoid a shitty home situation or economic bracket but get out quickly after that. The longer a person is a soldier the greater the chance that person is fucking crazy.


Battle is always deadly , great amounts of armor (especially back in the day) wouldn't prevent gangrene and infection even from very mundane wounds (chaffing, blisters, everyday bumps and scrapes). If you had to choose between dying in glorious battle with a dick on your chest and your junk flying in the wind vs hoping that the cut on your hand doesn't infect in 3 days and give you blood poisoning in 4 and leave you delirious (and abandoned if not mercy killed) for 5-8 with a 50% chance of surviving it at best. I know drugs and honour vs the saddle sore of doom which one I would pick.


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>stopped at choosing terrain for battle

<when what pissed me off was the implication that Spartans didn't wear armor into battle

<ignoring the fact that the armor, shields, and weapons, along with training, played a role in the specific battle with Leo

<not even going into how insane it is to compare modern voluntary enlistment at 18 (or even cadet programs) to Sparta's agōgē for all boys deemed fit enough which is kind of moot, because they were still considered absolutely nuts to other Greeks, even if their military was considered superior for a time



>drugs and honour

Going into battle with a the intention of having your soldiers die is usually a pretty terribad idea.


Try some pragmatism bro, you'll enjoy it.


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What point are you trying to make?

The egyptians were recorded by themeselves and others as being red-ish, thye were neither white nor black.



Sargon of Akkad has forever been tainted for me due to youtuber faggotry.



You should get an engineering degree then. That way, you can learn to build a bridge and get over whatever inane bullshit you're whining about.



Anon is mad because there's a brittish fa/tg/uy who runs a youtube account and is getting like "on tv" famous for whinging about feminism and muslims. His screenname is Sargon of Akkad. If you google that name you actually get him above the historical figure now.



>thye were neither white nor black.

You wanna know who else is called something that implies or literally means having red skin? Injuns, they don't look red skinned unless they've been in the sun for a very long time otherwise they're just a shade of brown. Then you have rednecks and that's because of sunburns and sun tans from wearing hats for the sun.

Egyptians were out in the sun all the time, and that's exactly what their skin color depicted in hieroglyphics looks like. That doesn't mean they have white skin but it certainly doesn't mean they're modern Egyptians who are just posers.



[nasally British accent intensifies]


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Lighting is a big factor due to lack of lanterns.

Think the fog of war in Diablo


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The image of the Celtic warriors may not be entirely "Bronze Age" but there is plenty of Bronze equipment. Also, I decided to share some Celtic bronze artifacts.


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And since I have an interest in the Nordic Bronze Age, I decided to share these artifacts including the Balkakra ritual object.


The roman empire was iron age, not bronze age.


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>tfw horse

>getting sore feet yet?

>how's the air down there?

>taking a break already? I'd say we march on for a few more miles!

>let's ride down some enemies OH WAIT you faggots can't join in

>Rider Class = best class




Pick one.


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>this fag with his horseposting

>every time

>every fucking time

>we head somewhere he’s fucking horseposting

>can’t wait until we’re on the battlefield and I get to toot him with my fish horn everyday until he likes it

>we’ll see who’s so high and mighty when you go deaf faggot


From what I remember of recent archaeological finds the lower Nile had ((kangz)) mostly due to nubian influences. There is significant evidence for a nubian (or partial nubian) pharaoh in southern egypt for a time. I forgot where the link to the article went though.

It would be feaaible to say that the first ivory/bronze age kingdom was based on slavery, as all kingdoms the grow to empire size require steady labor and many hands.

I do have a personal hard-on for mesopotamian and assyrian architecture and aesthetics, just not the unibrows.

>>Them babylonian gates.

>>Them beards.

>>Them chad robes.



The Old Kingdom Ancient Egyptians didn't practice slavery to the point of depending on it for engineering.



No. Basically, kangz were used as slaves all the time - King Tut had sandals of Hebrews and Kang slaves.

When not slaves, the Nubians would be raiding the southern parts of Egypt and got suppressed hard by the Egyptian army.

The only period ever in Egypt when kangz were anything but slaves was during the "Twenty-fifth Dynasty of Egypt".

Before or after that? Slaves.

Egyptians would only get some Nubian ancestry, genetically speaking, during the Islamic Slav Trade times.

We have samples from Roman times and they had no Sub-Saharan African DNA.




The Book of Exodus never happened.



It did, but in reverse.

The Hebrews in Egypt were called "Hyksos", or, "Apuri" by the Egyptians.

They've ruthless ruled Egypt for a hundred years until expelled and fleeing from there with tons of riches.

This generated an intense hatred of them by the Egyptians, who showed absolutely no mercy to any of them going into their lands.



That didn't happen either



It's written by the Egyptians themselves, as well as other peoples of the time.


This is a fact. The Hyksos oppressed the Egyptians and were driven away.

Of course, in the Bible it says that the "poor poor Hebrews" were hated "for nothing" and were driven away "for no reason other than Egyptians being pagan bigots racists".

Seriously, go learn history.



Nothing in that article points to them being hebrews.

A mixed group of semites with hurrian and indo european elements is not hebrews.

Semite doesn't mean jewish, hebrew, or israelite.



>were hated "for nothing"

In the bible god punishes the Israelites for immorality numerous times, including in exodus

Save your autism for the politics thread



>Nothing in the article

>There's a whole section of it



I'm talking about modern narratives about the exodus from Egypt.



>Semite doesn't mean jewish, hebrew, or israelite.

What? Arabs and Jews are semites.



Yes, the article even explicitly mentions Canaanites settling the region.

The "Hurrian" and "Indo-European" stuff might be easily explained by the Hittite Empire outreaching influences.

Just like the Phoenicians later, these Canaanites, these Hyksos, were Semitic peoples.

From the Hyksos exodus on, they roamed for many years until buying the mountain fortress of "Jerusalem" with the same riches they have stolen from Egypt.



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I like Conan's choice of decoration.


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They were considered nuts for their matriarchal rites which ultimately led to their downfall. Hard to uphold a country when its men all die in combat, you can thank the Gays of Thebes for that.



Even so, some of the equipment of the Gallian Celts were still bronze as the illustrations show. The style of helmet applies.

Also, swap out iron and steel parts for bronze and there you go.



Actually, Sparta and Athens self-distructed and Thebes just had to win against Sparta's corpse.

The only thing we have to cherish out of that is the rise of Alexander that followed later - if the Persians had the upper hand, history would have changed dramatically.


Late Bronze Age equipment was better than the Early Iron Age one.

The change happened not because Iron was better than Bronze, but because it was so much cheaper and easier to do.

Only later they would discover Steel.


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>implying that symbol wasn't used long before the kikes stole it

crack a book



>Actually, Sparta and Athens self-destructed

Not entirely. Persians meddled in Greek politics and after losing few battles against Balkan Greeks, they decided to rely on diplomacy, culture, and economy as their weapons. Initially, Greeks considered Persians an effeminate faggots. By the time Phillip and Alexander entered the stage, Spartans, Athenians, and Persians could be hard to tell from one another due to influence Persian culture had on Greek society. Thebes just did not get as soft as Sparta and Athens. Thebes also had an advantage of producing cavalry instead focusing almost solely on navy and hoplites.


It is disappointing how little is know about Babylonians, Sumerians, and ancient Assyrians. The little of it there is, sounds and looks very interesting. Magi, city-states with their own pantheons, huge cities.

What is especially interesting, is that all of it was already ancient to Greeks and Persians themselves. People like Xenephon were amazed by the sheer size and craftsmanship of ancient Assyrian ruins.



Self-destructed in the sense: they went to war, Sparta destroyed Athens, but it was basically pyrrhic.

This opened the way for Thebes to attack it, otherwise it wouldn't have the means to win.

We're not talking about culture here.



It is even more disappointing the Conqueror's bad habits of just erasing what they don't like. Conqueror as a term simply denoting whichever group of barbaric what have yous that burned grand civilizations down, or those that used cultural warfare to break the great from the inside

It isn't as if greed, bloodlust and pride are pragmatic. Even these days we are going to see idiots rewrite history because they dislike the implications (not that it isn't happening already).

I digress some.

What good links do my other good fa/tg/uys have for ancient history?



Its a sad event in history that the jews were able to claim one of the most prominent Sacred geometry symbols as their own in the 20th century.



Did Greeks think of Romans as Trojans?



How would Bronze Age magic be like?



Iron Smithing obviously. Or steel. And I believe they had flamethrowers.



Magic in the Bronze Age was both more and less showy then what we would think of as typical fantasy magic. It was deeply interwoven with religion and in practical terms magic and religion were one and the same. A magi wouldn't shoot lightning bolts out of his fingers or summon billowing fire out of the air - that kind of superheroic magic wasn't something mortals had access to. What sorcerers and magicians did do however is facilitate communication between the spiritual and the terrestrial worlds, officiate binding oaths and interpret omens, dreams and other portents of fate or divine will. They were as much priests as they were wizards, literally, and often descended from particularly designates priestly castes or bloodlines (famously in the Bible but also with medean Magi). Priesthood was not just deeply esoteric but also exoteric, the performance of rituals, ceremonies and divine plays in both regular religion as well as the mystery cults was seen as typical and necessary for the proper expression of religion and from the appropriate performance of these the pirests were legitimized and proved their worth to society. There is a way to sacrifice a bull to Zeus that is pleasing to Zeus and there are ways that are not pleasing to Zeus and a priest who cannot perform the sacrifice well is a priest that not only has no practical use to his society but also is a threat to them as he might incur the wrath of Zeus on them for his impiety. If the source of power isn't divine then it is diabolic (for a lack of a better word as it wasn't always demons) with sorcerers performing the same priestly incantations and rituals but for the service of various spirits or other supernatural beings. Necromancy of a sort was widely practiced but had more to do with speaking to the spirits of the dead than raising dead bodies. Curses and blessings could be incanted or enscribed on parchments and surfaces and by power of invoking the name or attributes of a spirit or deity it would fill that blessing or curse with real power.



Magic is a category in Western culture into which have been placed various beliefs and practices considered separate from both religion and science



Yeah, tigers are pretty cool


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Stuff from the Tollense valley battlefield.


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More Scyth


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Bronze Age Siberians.


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Sabatynivskoyi, and misc shit to fill up this post.

That's all.



>first two pics

No way was armor like that real.


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> How modern post-Christendom views magic

> having anything to do with how ancient bronze age civilizations viewed magic

What's your point here?


Pic related.



That's the secular definition of magic



>Pic related.

Looks retarded.



Bronze is soft and easily bendable.



As long as it keeps your guts from spilling out, it does its job.


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If it works, it works.

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