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The thread for talk on all things World of Darknes The last thread hit the bump limit, you can find it here: >>313643

Vampire: The Masquerade 5th Edition, or just Vampire V, has started to make the rounds and people... are not all that impressed. Most of the good is outweighed by the bad, but what's your take on this?


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Meanwhile, White Wolf has been releasing a series of videos on Vampire V. In them one of the head writers, Matthew Dawkins (also known as the Gentleman Gamer), talks about the lore playing the role of a vampire himself. In the first video he talks about what has happened between The editiosn of the game.


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In the second video he talks about the Second Inquisition and how they are running roughshot over vampire society, and how they messed up the Nosferatu and Tremere.


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In the third video he talks about what vampires are and what they are capable of.


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In the fourth he talks about the blood, how it affects the Kindred and how the new Humors mechanic for Vitae works.


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In the fifth (and final so far) he talks about what unlife is like in the current nights and the headaches that modern technology bring for the Kindred.


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>Matthew Dawkins (also known as the Gentleman Gamer)


Damn that cover is shit.


He turned an ad into a 28 minute LARP session.



Wait until you see the art inside.



Is it like Exalted 3E art?


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If only.


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No way



^This. Absolutely this.



That can't seriously be the 'art' of the book.


Matthew is good, plz be nice



He cucked out when he have David (now Olivia) Hill on his show and didn't curb him/her/it when it started sperging out about GG.


Are there any mechanical changes to the game worth mentioning?


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Part six of the Gentleman's Guide, where he talks about the Clans.



Wait wait wait. Fuckboi Hill went tranny now too?



lol yup. Also? Even with all that he's still too 'toxic' for her/hir/whatever's fellows at Onyx Path.


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More like Vampire the masqurgay am i right haha



I just have. Wow. It looks like some vanity press. How much did they spend on the WoD license to pump out this shit?


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The thing is that the MET version of Vampire uses photographs instead of drawn art, and given that Vampire V has plenty of LARPers designing it they're going with photographs.



but then one could make the argument that they should have kept to somewhat vague drawings and paintings as the average larper doesn't look nearly as good as a fashion model-

Nevermind my point I just remembered how many landwhales and hamplanets try to do wonderwoman and the likes.




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I have always envisioned them this way...


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Those are all Clans for now.

There are also Caitiff and Thin Bloods.


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>head writer for a WoD book

>good in any way, shape or form

Surely you jest. I'd say "cuck" is a good definition there.


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no fatchicks

no ones naked

no one's wearing bondage gear

no one's making sexy time

for a group of people claiming to be degenerates, harlots, hedonists, sensates and perverts (literally 55% of their keywords) sure is boring up in here. I think they said all these big words but really they meant faggots.

(Whatever happened to vampires being unnatural preditors who lusts in life were replaced by politics and killing again). I have no idea why anyone would embrace the following:





even if you could make a good argument that they would effectively stop being those things after the embrace.


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There is one degenerate hedonistic sexy time in the whole book.

I will spoiler it so only those will be disturbed that wish to be.

It is nightmarish.

Also there is a whole chapter only about Vampire Fashion.

That explains why every artist rendering is a fashion show painting (I do not know how they are called, these dress prototype aquarelles).




It's a sad day when you can't even tell anymore of they're parodying something or playing a series of half hour long LARP monologues straight while inviting the entirety of the local liberal arts college over for a photo-sesh(sessions are so square, man) in their everyday clothes.


Appendix III: Advice for Considerate Play

Character and Player identity

Fascism in Play

Sexual Violence in Games

Calibration Techniques (fade to black, stoplight, x card, ok check in, the door is always open, debriefing)

Further Reading:

“Sexual Assault Myths”

“What do the terms Lines and Veils mean?”

The Origins of Totalitarianism

“Let’s Play with Fire! Using Risk and its Power for Personal Transformation”

“Creating a Culture of Trust Through Safety and Calibration



Sex and Sorcery

Trauma and Recovery: The Aftermath of Violence from Domestic Abuse to Political Terror

The Vampyr

“The X Card”

Dog wat done?


Rapist national socialist political tantric terrorists would make a good RPG.

Sadly, I doubt they mean it that way.



Fascism in Play

Vampire: The Masquerade is not a fascist-friendly game. If you are a neo-Nazi, "alt-righter", or whatever you’re calling yourself nowadays, we urge you to put this book down

and call someone who you trust to talk about where you went so wrong in your life.

That said, Kindred culture is inherently monstrous. Part of the political horror of Vampire: The Masquerade is surviving in a culture that worships the Bad Old Ways. Large parts of Kindred society (especially the Camarilla and the Sabbat) adhere to cults of tradition, ascribes to the idea of humiliating their enemies with overwhelming wealth and force, and praises religious fundamentalism

or even pre-modern ideals like feudal rule.

Many Kindred are old enough to remember WWII in detail and are bound to have opinions on what’s going on in the world right now. Even so, it’s pretty easy to steer the game away from totalitarian perspectives.

Emphasize the differences between individual vampires, and between factions as well as inside factions. Tell stories about infighting, surprising kindness, and new ideas. Play thin-bloods, Caitiff, Anarchs, or even Camarilla members in a Hellene city where most of the Ivory Tower’s traditions have been adapted to suit the present. Another way is to play is to portray Kindred society in all its malicious (and fascist) glory, but let the player characters oppose the system, from the inside or from without.

What if someone wants to play a fascist, though, or a Storyteller wants to introduce a fascist SPC? There are plenty of those throughout the World of Darkness — monsters, but many with pretty faces. They can be a tragic villain, or a former friend who fell, or even someone who the player characters think of as an ally. They might be the Brujah neo-Nazi, the far-right Ventrue billionaire, or the Tzimisce eugenicist.

Whatever face they present, the player characters should be given the satisfaction

of redeeming or destroying them eventually.

After all, the player characters are something unique and special — something fascists cannot abide.

Remember: playing a character whose opinions you oppose can be a great way to understand how supremacist ideas work and how to spot and fight them in the real world.

Fictionally experiencing seductive perspectives like blaming the Other, conforming to norms and fighting for a grand purpose, can help you spot these tendencies in yourself and others and diminish their power over you.

This is all in character, of course. At the time of writing, the real world is currently inundated with far-right fascist ideologies being given free reign by wellmeaning people who want to preserve civility.

If you see people at your table opening up with altright talking points, we encourage you to shut that shit down. If you become uncomfortable with a storyline in game because of what’s happening out of game, use one of the techniques listed here.

You are not obligated to tolerate fascists in-game or out-of-game. This game is a way to tell stories about understanding and perhaps fixing some of the darkness in our own world.

Use that to your advantage.



>Vampire: The Masquerade is not a fascist-friendly game.

<A Group of people

<working together for the same goal

<everything that hinders the achievement of that goal is an enemy or hurdle to overcome

<A Game Master that guides said group

By definition this is fascism and even with a Führerprinzip.



>player characters are something unique and special — something fascists cannot abide

As we all know, Fascists never had any form of hero worship ever. All the references to the Nibelungs and Siegfried the Nazis made were purely coincidental.



Too bad the system is probably shit, otherwise we'd be playing vampire nazis on the ostfront.




Strange that the Tzimisce is named 4 times in the whole book.

Always only in a passing sentence.

0. They are not playable (as are Lasombra, Giovanni, Ravnos, Banu Haqim and Setite Ministry also no further information on those).

1. They were part of the Trinity (Loresheet: Trinity)

2. They were a high clan (Loresheet: High Clan)

3. Fascism in Play (Appendix III)

Somone who reads only this book has no Idea what or who a Tzimisce is, except that they are some evil fascists that are no longer part of the community, then again: All Vampire Clans seem to only be differentiated by their choice of fashion.

Also the layout and style is quite inconsistent.

Appendix I,II,3 in the TOC: Appendix I, II, III in the book.

Not all clans follow the formula Picture with Bullet points.

Almost everything written screams "Play Vampire the Masquerade: Bloodlines and you will understand everything", because without that knowledge some things make no sense whatsoever.

Also all predator types/how you feed are something like:


>Only feeds on animals

>Only your mortal family, who know about your condition

>be nice to humans



>Also all predator types/how you feed are something like:


>>Only feeds on animals

>>Only your mortal family, who know about your condition

>>be nice to humans

I can understand it somewhat, since it's a LARP and all. Still dumb, and the rest is complete dog shit.



The alpha version of Vampire V had an example where one of the characters rolled on four dice a 1, 4, 8 and 8, which made certain people go WHITE WOLF ENDORSES NAZISIM EVERYONE AT WHITE WOLF HEILS LIKE IT'S NEINTEEN THIRTY NEIN REEEEEEEE. This bit was added for those microbrains who need a crack team of scientists to help explain the concept of sitting down.


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This is the second time I've seen RPG writers trying to forbid their players from playing something, like they have any power over that.



They currently have a "controversy" because of the flavour text of the brujah and


>They might be the Brujah neo-Nazi, the far-right Ventrue billionaire, or the Tzimisce eugenicist.

To imply that beeing a neo-Nazi is a cool thing.



[quote]While the clan definitely includes substantial numbers of vocal and visible outsiders, their desire for rebellion reaches as deep as the fraudster ripping off his own company, the lawyer representing the poor pro bono, the neo-Nazi claiming to be “alt-right,” and the basement-dweller downloading thousands of movies illegally for redistribution on streaming sites.[/quote]

Clearly they say that Brujah are cool Neo-Nazis.

Those transphobig bigots.



>Further Reading:

>“What do the terms Lines and Veils mean?”

The source given here unironically is a question on the RPG StackExchange. What the fuck were they thinking?



I also really fucking hate the new humours system -basically you've given all Vampires a slight twist on the Sanguinary Animism derangement.

Oh and the hunger mechanic sucks dick too- now every action has a chance to go horrifically wrong in a Masquerade breaching style- how the fuck have these clueless fuck wit Anarch's survived this dreaded 2nd Inquisition?



It sounds absolutely retarded, tell me more about it.



Give us a storytime, Satan. All of it.


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Not that anon, but I can talk about it a bit. A new mechanic to the drinking of blood involves Resonance. The stronger the emotions of the vessel you feed on, the more potent the drink is. If the emotions are very strong from someone who's very emotional or supremely fucked up, you'll experience what is known as Dyscrasia. Named after Hippocrates' term for an imbalance of the humors, this grants a temporary boon ranging from adding dice to rolls, regaining Willpower if you do something, doing more damage and so on. This last until you either feed again or reach Hunger 5 (more on this later). To gain the effect of the Dyscrasia, you'll need to either kill and drain the victim completely or feed off of someone over the course of three nights (not consecutive for some reason). Each of the ten Disciplines in the core book are linked to one of the four humors, with animal blood covering the final two. Note that animal blood never grants Dyscrasias:

- Choleric: Celerity and Potence

- Melancholy: Fortitude and Obfuscate

- Phlegmatic: Auspex and Dominate

- Sanguine: Blood Sorcery and Presence

- Animal blood: Animalism and Protean

Resonance is how intense a particular humor is within a person. This can either be negligible (doesn't do much), Fleeting (works with blood alchemy), Intense (one additional die when rolling for a Discipline linked to that humor until the next drink or when reaching Hunger 5) or Acute, which means you found yourself a Dyscrasias. Unless the vessel you're feeding from was designed by the Storyteller in advance, the ST rolls to see what you're feeding from (1d10: 1-5 is Negligible, 6-8 is Fleeting (roll an additional 1d10 for Resonance), 9-10 is Intense, which is an additional roll: 1-8 is just Intense, and 9-10 is Acute). It is possible to change someone's Resonance through either roleplaying or rolling: punching someone in the face before feeding will turn them Choleric, sucking their dick before sucking their blood will turn them Sanguine and so on.

Hunger has been significantly retooled in Vampire V. It is rated from 0 to 5, no matter whether you're a 4th or 14th generation vampire. At 0 Hunger you're completely fed, at 5 Hunger you're ravenous. For every point of Hunger you replace one of the dice in all of your dice pools with a Hunger Die: a d10 with a different color or one that's rolled separately. You don't want these to end up on either 1 or 10: if you roll a failure where you have at least a single 1 on your Hunger dice you'll start to act on your Compulsion (think various types of Frenzy); if you roll a 10 you'll get a Messy Critical which means that you'll succeed in a messy way (you pick a lock by ripping it out of the door, your fistfight with a mortal ends with you punching a hole in them etc). Feeding off of someone reduces your Hunger by a number of points: check the table for more info.

Personally, I kind of like the Dyscrasia mechanic even though it slows the game down a bit. Hunger... I'm not a fan of the Hunger dice.



Mathew is responsible for Gehenna being "vampire gets souls", Onyxpath is also be on the borderline of SJWs but it really shows that they are the ones who are all experienced writers.



> Gehenna being "vampire gets souls"

Jesus Christ, I've watched Angel, i know what happens when Vampires get souls, fuck that emo noise.



>After all, the player characters are something unique and special

Putting any soyboy propaganda aside even without sjw culture taking over white wolf this statement is the worst part of all of it. Holy shit think about what this says.


Man i used to love The Gentlemen gamers youtube stuff. But he was never the same after 'the incident' at the ren faire where he shot down a transvestite making heavy moves on him 'because im straight' and the WW community nearly crucified him.

Its probably not make up in the video.



lol what?



He is a very evil transphobe.

They went mad, because he does not like dickgirls and women (male).

White Wolf is an evil nazi company.

Also these >>387635 >>387637



Isn't he also, you know, married and a father of two?


God can you fucking IMAGINE what a new version of Changeling would look like?



He literally went OFFDAGRID after that for ages and came back like "h-ha ha i have a wife and a child now!" and a lot of rumours said it was a imported thai bride. Biggest case of the not-gays i've ever seen.


>book is a fucking mess

>includes the gubment facists drone striking a ventrue and blaming it on ISIS




Hey, I thoght of something fun.

Imagine a party of ISIS vampires.



Not a whole coterie of 1488ers?



Why not both?



ISIS originally started in germany as opposition to Germany so that's actually not really going to work.




For fuck's sake. I knew World of Darkness games were full of faggotry by design, but this is especially disgusting.

Just out of spite people should play a campaign about nazi vampires and post it in White Wolf's forums.



Nazi vampire hunters of the Ostfront fighting against monstrous, misshapen Jewish vampires that prey on the goyim.



Wait if I'm understanding this correctly they just removed entire clans from the playable roster without retconning any to replace them? What the fuck, why?



Yes quadsman, WW fucked over lots of clans in the switch from old WoD to Nu WoD.

Which is a shame because I was one of the dozen or so people who played Giovanni.



Yup. And what really pisses on my chips is that the really interesting plot point of the Assamite schism gets dropped.


Oh that'll be bad, no doubt- but a New Werewolf? Oh imagine the triggers over Defiler Worm (if he doesn't become Patriarchy Worm) and how Trump is actually a Pentex Board member...


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but they all look the same



They are essentially what the WW devs think edgy Anarch's should look like.

I am reminded of the whole " You're all individuals" bit from Life of Brian



The Nosferatu don't even look ugly. They don't even look like crack addicts.



New Clan Curse- Needs a shower, maybe some skin cream and a good anti dandruff shampoo.

Truly, a tortured eternity awaits this damned clan.



The real anathema to the modern vampire is body-shaming or going on /fa/


Times like this makes me wish "the Nazi Shark army" wasn't a japanese light novel, and instead a ttrpg. So, anybody want to do the hunters on the Ostfront thing mentioned here >>387776 ?



It is literally designed to only be fashion.

Kindred Fashion: (This is the chapter directly after "What is a RPG and What is Vampire, the Camarilla etc")

Black is still the new black. Feeding is messy and bloodstains are easier to hide on dark fabrics.

It is that simple.

Toreador tastemakers in the fashion industry return to black each season for this very reason. This means light-colored clothes, especially white, become status symbols.

A Brujah in a white tracksuit signals “I’m so skilled I don’t spill a drop.” But wearing light colors is always a risk, and many Kindred consider the practice as asking for trouble, no matter how tight their blood-drinking game is.

Fashion is a secret language. Just like mortals, Kindred signal affiliation, attitude, and ideology through their dress, both in the street and in Elysium.

A rose print dress screams “I’m a diva” to those who know about clan iconography, and attire made from trash and rags marks you as a Nosferatu – or possibly a Malkavian.

A subtle Edwardian cut to the jacket or pullover you wear among mortals hints at your age, and the tenderly preserved 1905 dress you wear to court tells neonates to respect their elders.

Kindred dress very differently in the street and in Elysium.

In public, the Masquerade is on, and looking like an antiquated royal is usually a very bad idea. Vampires are stealth hunters. They blend in with their prey. Most are masked with a human cover, and all have a pattern of predation.

These two factors dictate their street look.

A Sandman burglar wears trainers and black Adidas with a hoodie, but a leech with the same modus operandi who feeds from a psych-ward dresses like an orderly.

A scene queen stalking the psychobilly scene spends an hour every evening on their pompadour and tattoos, while a minimal techno fiend would never dr eam of wearing a band T-shirt and has daymares about not getting into Berghain.

Only the handful of Kindred who still stalk the goth scene dress like “vampires” in public.

Elysiums and havens are a whole other story. In these no-Masquerade areas the Kindred flaunt their age and monstrous nature.

Here the complex neofeudal codes of their society rule, and the harpies wear Elizabethan dresses or haute couture creations that would make Lady Gaga gasp for breath.

It’s all part of the status game.

Arriving from the street into the lair of an elder is a humbling experience – no less so, if the guest kneels in their black jeans and T-shirt before an ageless monster in a chalk-white dress made from human skin.

Anarchs tend to despise the need for embellishment as a typical Camarilla thing, instead staying true to a single style, gradually changing through the decades:

a modern street interpretation of what they are and their personal history, carefully maintaining their human mask.

Baggy hip-hop fashion with memento mori bling and woodcut style tattoos recall the 1500s for the Landsknecht.

A World War II bomber jacket for the rabble taxi driver with a history.

Crust punk rivet armor for the Mongol Gangrel warlord.

Most wear perfectly ordinary everynight street clothes with hint at their nature understood only by those who know exactly what to look for.




>Lasombra and Tzimisce have fallen under the shadow of the Sabbat.

>Giovanni and Ravnos have been driven nearly extinct outside their ancestral strongholds by enemies mortal and sorcerous.

>Banu Haqim and the Setite Ministry remain in limbo between the Gehenna warzone and the dubious protection of the Camarilla.



One Toreador wears a crown of roses, another has fresh petals decorating her dress, a third wears a Victorian style brooch shaped like a long-stemmed rose, a fourth a navelpiercing designed to be a more abstracted rose with a shorter, curled stem.



Nosferatu as mainly Jews trying to subvert the world from the shadows and overthrow the Camarilla.

Could make for a good story.


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With all this bullshit going on, I don't know where to turn to find local players for my games. It seems that they're trying to kill off any outside interest in these sorts of things aside from a 15-25 year old female demographic so who the hell is DMing for them? I have never ever seen a girl DM

I always saw World of Darkness as being a route for playing comical grimdark, where you watch Blade a few times and shitpost with your buddies over who can make the most tortured backstory to an angsty teen goth vampire/schizo uncle/the guy in the sewers from Bloodlines who was an actor or something

What's the point in a RPG system if you're going to dump all the content?

In Call of Cthulhu 7th edition I remember a stupid disclaimer bitching about racism and whatnot and how all the character art featured token negroes shucking and jiving together; isn't segregating a historical setting from conflict and older values ruining the point? These fucking people want to make every single situation "CURRENT YEAR BUT PEOPLE WEAR X". 1920s is just "check it out, i have a bob cut!!! lol im an empowered flapper bitch"

I'm trying to write my own campaign for Call of Cthulhu and I find that outside of the stat system and some bits of combat, I've scrapped the entire mythos in the process. No 1920s setting, no redditor take on Lovecraft, no tomes or spells anything else. Have to make it all myself. The only redeeming factor is that someone at least put a semblance of effort into the weapons index and I'm assuming said someone moved on to Delta Green- and from there, moved to military fanfiction ala Jace Connors.

Seriously, half the damn agent's handbook is just some guy jacking off onto a pile of Purple Hearts from a pawn shop while watching Generation Kill on repeat.








Probably a callback to 1e, which also had only the seven Camarilla Clans in there. Even Revised had all thirteen Clans.


>a new version of Changeling

Obama being elected caused a Glimmer, a boost of souls that leave Arcadia and enter the Autumn Realm, effectively increasing the number of Changelings in the world. In contrast, the Thallain can enter the world through anti-Glimmers, caused by great misery which lets them avoid the Silver Ban that kept them away from the world. The Silver Ban was flat-out broken by 9/11 and the aftermath, which let them come back in massive numbers. While it would be interesting to see Trump's election cause a Glimmer because people truly hope for America to be made great again, we all know that the writers of Onyx Path won't see it that way.


>a New Werewolf

Patriarch, currently either a servant of the Urge Wyrm of Hatred or an aspect of the Weaver, will rise to prominence.


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>Realize your herd's population is directly tied to how many families it has

<want a strong and populous herd

>use your vampire techniques to become a fly by night billionaire

<Use your money to shill family and against degeneracy

>Your hunting grounds become popular and a good place to raise kids (billionaires propping up the schools , etc).

<people flock to your town

>put up strict laws against things people hate anyway, disease carriers, people wandering at night.

<Basically the town becomes all you can eat after 10pm because you're only eliminating the stupid and the degenerate at that point

>Town becomes super safe due to this and more popular

Man they keep saying Fascists no but I keep hearing Fascists yes.



ron edwards should be ecstatic, something he came up with for roleplaying games is finally 'mainstream'. not a mechanic or playstyle, but RPG safewords.


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Quick someone go tell the forg...oh wait that's been dead for a long time. Im sure the forgefaggots love the new vampire. Turns out a guy who studies bat penis and his cronies can't write rpg's worth a damn.



I like the way you think, Anon.


What is generally considered to be the best edition of Vampire the Masquerade?



So pretty much what Carthage was according to the brujah?



>Yes quadsman, WW fucked over lots of clans in the switch from old WoD to Nu WoD.

While it is true that V:TR retooled the clans and reduced them from thirteen to five, it's nothing like it was done here. The Clans in V:TR are more archetypes (The Vampire As Dark Seductor, The Vampire As Undead Lord, The Vampire As Soul-Scarring Horror, etc.) than entities in and of themselves like in its predecessor. On that note, it went from having Clans as their own political entities under a Sect (or as independent entities) was retooled into having the Y-Axis of Covenants to cover political affiliations. It's an stylistic revamping designed to allow the players more freedom with their background without the capeshit-tier lore bloat of the old Clans and Sects and to make for more city-to-city play rather than the "ancient global conspiracy" theme of V:TM. Of course, you still have the option to go for Tier 2 or 3 if you want, see: Danse Macabre. Here with Vampire V they're just chopping up shit for arcane reasons I can't begin to understand.

TL;DR: Stop talking out your ass and making bullshit comparisons.



>What the fuck, why?

Popularity of a clan in the larp communities determines it's fate in metaplot, Apocalypse 5e is going to showcase some more examples of this soon.



> I have never ever seen a girl DM

Of course you haven't that is a fuck ton of work christ we have only gotten one out of three girls to even show up and play in our D&D game after spending tons of time working on their characters that they never fucking bothered to even show up and play. One of which had not one but TWO fucking characters made for them.


Now I really got the itch to play a Hunter game as a Father Coughlin type and curb stomp communist vampires all night.


What would a non-pozzed version of the Loyalists of Thule look like?



Basically the same as that other Vampire game with Christoph, Ghouls secretly controlling dupes to get to that sweet, sweet vitae while they hold lip service to the crusades against the darkness so they retain access to the Church.



These are really cool, but I'm not sure if they're the sort of notes that are really cool for a player per se. I'd give them to a videogame's art director and expect that videogame to have masterful art direction when it comes to the designs of its vampires as a result, or I'd give them to a GM and have that give him a good sense of how to describe the different vampires in his game (which can affect gameplay - think of a vampire whose clan you otherwise couldn't precisely identify being given away for you just by how they dress) and of how to guide a player's character creation - but as for how these notes would be used by a player? Well, all of what I've just described is the GM's job, not the player's.



The whole MKULTRA analogue of Changeling: The Lost? Don't worry, they wouldn't go and try to shut that down - they'd just make the whole game be about how cool it is to be an MKULTRA victim Changeling and how awesome your handler Fey kidnapper is :^)



["Lines and veils"] came out of Forge discussion some years ago, plus Sex and Sorcery, a supplement to the game Sorcerer

I'm morbidly intrigued by what that book might be like.



You know the whole Lovecraftian 'things man was not meant to know' deal? I think that book is probably up there with the Necronomicon-if it came from any version of WW and is about sex it's bound to cause you to cringe yourself inside out.


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>Jace Connors

RIP the commander



> If you are a neo-Nazi, "alt-righter", or whatever you’re calling yourself nowadays, we urge you to put this book down and call someone who you trust to talk about where you went so wrong in your life.

If this person were truly egalitarian/inclusive (ack) they would accept alt-righters. Doesn't that make them discriminatory? Isn't that supposed to be a bad thing in their minds?



>Whatever face they present, the player characters should be given the satisfaction of redeeming or destroying them eventually.

Not joining them or improving their methods though, SAD.

>After all, the player characters are something unique and special — something fascists cannot abide.

Get into your grave.



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Let me know when a PDF leaks/a physical book is scanned. I wanna laugh at this shit.



Nope, it's fine then. It's fine to be everything you're supposed to be against as ling as you tow the party line.

Really the only way to deal with commies like these is to kill them. You can't reason with leftists for they have no reason.


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Just remember you can pretend to be a nazi but you can't be a nazi who plays pretend!



Share thread has it.




Read that in Zek's voice.



I don't know, the Malleus Malleficariu and the Loyalists aren't really comparable. Their organization and modus operandi is radically different.


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Now that's what I call judaism


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You know, I should have known better but I went to the stupid place and god knows it turns out calling trash trash is now too extreme for rpg.net.

It is a little interesting to see at least a good portion of vamp fans are also disappointed in this trash game as well. Real sin they dont have a way of talking about it.



More like Vampozzing the massqueerAIDS lmoa



You should have known better, but there's never anything wrong with getting them all pissy because you voiced your opinion on the actual actions and work done by a person who is selling a product. Next time, just be more intelligent about it. Word it in a way where they can't just say you were being mean which breaks their rules. Either way, RPGnet is trash and I don't know how the fuck you make nearly 2000 posts on that place after how bad they've been for so long.


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nah this is faggotry in the wild, when I go on safari I leave only pageloads and take only screenshots



>What would a non-pozzed version of the Loyalists of Thule look like?

It would use GURPS rules.


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>we're evil bloodsucking vampires that treat humans like cattle oy vey

>but we're not as evil as the nazis! hooboy they're extra evil DO NOT TOUCH


ironically enough, their subconscious rationalization would be something along the lines of "you can't discriminate against nazis because nazis aren't people".

every generation needs it's mythology. eventually this nonsense will die off. eventually.


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>What would a non-pozzed version of the Loyalists of Thule look like?

It would be just the newer and younger members asking why everyone's so hung up about the Nazis.


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>Mithras associated with Vampires

As a Zoroastrian I have great disdain for this notion



out of curiosity what was the first? eclipse phase?



>Vampire: The Masquerade is not a fascist-friendly game. If you are a neo-Nazi, "alt-righter", or whatever you’re calling yourself nowadays, we urge you to put this book down and call someone who you trust to talk about where you went so wrong in your life.

>In a ROLE-PLAYING game guide

I never played Vampire: The Masquerade but I had some friends that did, I remember reading the book some 15 years ago and liking the setting.

It's really sad to see another franchise in the hands of progressive activists that don't even understand the nature of the hobby they have subverted. Every company going down this road deserve harsh public criticism and lose their customers, I hope the old school players are not buying their books anymore.


what kind of shenanigans could a matter 6 force 6 prime 2 archmage get up to?

Other than tons of damage I'm having trouble thinking of anything super crazy they could do.



"Damn, my reading light burned out and the hardware store is closed. I know! I'll make a miniature sun!"



I've considered gravity karate and throwing boulders at people.

Plutonium arrows as well.


I need some help for brainstorming Contracts. Anyone offering?



>It's really sad to see another franchise in the hands of progressive activists that don't even understand the nature of the hobby they have subverted.

WoD was always a regressive shitfest, you mong. This is not even remotely new even if it is getting worse.



>There was literally a full page in one book nagging the player about pronouns and "Hurr durr, if you're more offended by transgenderism than monsters, what does that say about you?"

>On the flipside, the game very clearly glamorizes vampirism, even if you're a horrifically ugly Nosferatu. So if they're okay with acts of vampirism, sexual predatory behavior, and murder, but not right wing opinions, what does that say about them?

I know I'm sounding like a rantfag, but I hate these people so goddamn much. It confused me when they pulled their "We don't want you as a customer" shit, but they really do just see it as a club, that they can call all inclusive while turning you away at the door. Really makes me want to play that Patrick Bateman character I was kicking around.



As I said, it looked fine around the early 2000's, no disclaimer against nazis, playing with trigger warnings, statistics about rape and all this leftist nonsense. Why are you so assblasted?


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Naw, it pretty much has been there since the beginning for Vampire. Ironic since I'm pretty sure I read somewhere that Vampires depend on degenerate society because it's easier to hide.



<the game is full of murder and monsters, so you can accept a few tumblr pronouns!

>accidentally comparing your retarded beliefs to morally and socially unacceptable acts of inhumanity.

Top wew.



Serious question, why not use "it" which is already actually gender neutral grammatically?



would probably be one of the earliest, with a release of 2009. I think you could make a pretty good argument that all the essential pieces were there for the launch of 4th edition iin 2008 (althought I am not sure if it had an actual pronoun section to reference).



Incorrect, White Wolf has literally always consisted of proto-sjws. You should give the old book another read if you don’t believe us.


Calling someone a retard for saying some retarded shit does not make him assblasted.


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I think it would be a mix of /pol/ and /x/, they believe in Jewish subversion and are also aware and believe that supernatural creatures and certain other hunter groups are degenerate and should be destroyed. I doubt Hitler would consider monsters preying on his own populace as a good thing for an Aryan people.


Didn't they make an entire supplement for oWoD that was about the 60 trillion people who died in DA SHOAH?



Or just use “he”.



>Brujah females look like they're going to a gala ball/fashion show and look nothing like actual anarchists should

>Brujah males look like fuccbois

>Gangrel females are trying to hard to be "Wild"

>Gangrel males look like fags as well

these all look terrible by the way, the fact that the Nosferatu don't even look like ACTUAL Nosferatu is horrible, they just look like hobos



Can you imagine dedicating so much space to something like vampire fashion and then having it all be embarassing, uninspired shit?



The entire thing that they're doing is horrible and retarded, they are missing the mark on what everyone of the vampire clans is about and how the vamps in them should be dressed and how they should act

I'm not a super-duper drawfag but i do know the basics of design, and if you showed someone one of the characters from the little snippets of all the clans, and asked them what they were about, it'd be pretty hard to do so for essentially everyone besides maybe the nosferatu and the gangrel females, and even then, they all look like some retarded Lady Gaga outfits


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>You should give the old book another read if you don’t believe us.

I never said I don't believe you. Pic related (which the wikipedia says it's the revised edition published in 1998) that I've read once is all the contact I ever had with any product from White Wolf. I'm pretty sure there were no made up pronouns though.

Now I'm actually curious, and will probably download this edition to detect all the leftist garbage I couldn't as a teenager, just to see how bad things were even back then.



>As I said, it looked fine around the early 2000's

You didn't look closely enough then.


>Didn't they make an entire supplement for oWoD that was about the 60 trillion people who died in DA SHOAH?

Yeah, it was a Wraith book including an intro about how the Shoah must neva be forgodden!


>Brujah males look like fuccbois

>Gangrel females are trying to hard to be "Wild"

>Gangrel males look like fags as well

I mean, they are vampires. Being metrosexual fags has been a theme with them for quite some time.



That Wraith book is pretty sweet though, cWoD Vampire and Werewolf is basically the 90's goth and new age hippie movements loaded to the brim with the most depressing things alongside the most craziest shit. So things that are not acceptable in current year +X to even broach let alone make fun of or exaggerate is totally an acceptable target back then which is why you get things like the Black Furries going too far and being shown in a negative light but still have a myriad of WoD books imply or tell you that the feminist notion of accepting women and men as equals is a good thing.



>Didn't they make an entire supplement for oWoD that was about the 60 trillion people who died in DA SHOAH?

Yep, and in Wraith20 the Dark Kingdom of Wire doesn't show up. Mainly because Onyx Path doesn't like the Jews very much; just ask Phil "If I add the Lions of Zion to Mage20 I should also make an ISIS Craft" Brucato, or the entire debacle with Mr Kiker the evil businessman who gets killed by the Howling Blitzkrieg in the W20 Book of the Wyrm.


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Part 7 of the Gentleman's Guide: this time it is on humans, Touchstones and their uses.



>get a great idea for a changeling game set in a late 90's rust belt boom town gone bust.

>replace cocaine, leather fetish gear and matrix knock offs with college drop outs, booze and ripped jeans and flannel shirts

>meant to symbolise the bleak feeling of people lost in towns going to shit with no way out juxtaposed with the act of being taken away for years against your will with a doppelganger replacing you until you get out as a half fae changeling now living on the lamb to hide from a wild hunt from degenerate fae fucbois

>Want to recommend it at game night

>Realise in current year people would scream changeling fetishes mental illness or something and consider its window closed.


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Why are you playing with current year people, anon? It never goes well.



>Why are you playing with current year people, anon?

I wonder if you could invite a current year person that was bullied into going along with progressivism to play with a group of normal people, and deprogram him. Most leftists can't stand peer pressure, and would probably crack being the only faggot complaining about something "problematic" among people who want to have fun and will have none of his attitude, but will accept him if he drop his faggotry.

Despite the efforts of companies like WW, maybe RPG could be used to help some of the lost children of this generation instead of brainwashing them.



Ah yes, White Wolf blatantly ripping Requiem's shit for Masquerade they tried the same thing with the last of the Apocalypse 20th books with some Forsaken material. What the fuck man.


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The eight and last part of the Gentleman's Guide to Vampire 5. Got a couple of odd turns for some of the clans in there.



Is it just me or did even the fag presenting it get sick of it towards the end there? This didn't have quite the same enthusiasm as the others.



Is it camariah or kamarilla?



Now that you mention it, I did get that sort of vibe.


I think the former is the 'correct' pronunciation, but the latter is what people actually use.






lol or that.


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man this entire thread makes me want to play that old quick start for vampire from back in the day so fucking bad.



The first is the correct pronounciation when going with the spanish root.



>["Lines and veils"] came out of Forge discussion some years ago, plus Sex and Sorcery, a supplement to the game Sorcerer


>I'm morbidly intrigued by what that book might be like.

it's not what you think. The guy who wrote Sorcerer may be a hippie when it comes to rpg design, but it is mostly about how you could apply mechanics differently to men and women at the table (because it was written so long ago there were only two genders and they were called "sexes")


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>Onyx Path doesn't like the Jews very much;

Onyx Path consists of people (some goyim, some Chosen) who have been screwed over by Jews many times. So they have trouble forgetting how their oxen got gored. Jews frequently prey on their fellow Jews. Do you think the Jews inside Onyx Path have forgotten their resentment?

The whole "vampire" craze of the 1990s is not aging well in a world where people know what "Pizzagate" refers to. They might as well release "Cannibal: the Blackmailing."


What's your guy's opinion on the Bloodlines game?

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