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 No.47[Reply]

Seriously… why the hell are we wasting vast ammounts of fuel and poluting the air sending human bodies around the world when signals are cheaper and easier to send…

Why not just use artifical bodies?!

Telepresense robots are comming into use and high speed internet makes them at least reasonably fast so you actually can have a fairly meaning full discusion with out all that muching about wasting fuel and dealing with jet lag…
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 No.163

If Lockheed's fusion power actually works, planetary transportation of any kind will no longer even be a concern.

 No.229

>>47
By that logic humans could just stay plugged into machines all their lives (as in the Matrix) and only use artificial bodies.

 No.256

>>229
why not? in a sense we already are. we always have our phones or computers. oh gee why is the sky blue? let me look that up for you. oh yeah its my moms birthday, good thing i set a reminder on my phone. what was my password again? right here in notepad.

 No.257

>>47
Actually aircraft are becoming more and more efficient. As >>50 said we are entering a new phase of innovation for aircraft. That and there is the advantage that face to face can be secure as long as you're not bugged.

 No.278

>>229
Rather than the Matrix, that's more the plot of the comic book series/movie called Surrogates.



 No.268[Reply]

Since Hotwheels is obviously in need of serious, fundamental physical improvements that do not yet exist, it's no surprise that he got around to making this a BotW. (I just wish making it one attracted more posts.)

Of course, Hotwheels is in the minority; this is a somewhat esoteric topic, and it's not always clear how badly people need transhumanism/alteration unless they have a crippling medical condition or they've already received it- and sometimes not even then.

For example, take your average star of a Fat Person Story; such a person obviously needs to be improved, although that person seldom recognizes it (else it would not be a FPS) and the improvements need not be "transhuman" as such. A simple regime of calorie restriction and exercise will usually suffice.

To that end, I encourage all prospective transhumanists to take time to focus on their health; visceral fat, atherosclerosis, and diabetes WILL fucking kill you.


 No.165[Reply]

What is /th/'s opinion on cryonics?

It seems to me like it should work - that even if your brain is scrambled quite a bit, everything is still there, so if you can figure out how the scrambling process works with nanometer accuracy (which requires supercomputers far beyond current capabilities, but there's no rule future supercomputers can't be the size of planets), and determine the location of molecules down to the angstrom (which we currently can't do for large objects which have to stay below 200K, but there's no physical law against it), you should be able to figure out what the brain looked like before it got scrambled, and recover the person.
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 No.240

>>170
>World is undeterministic

Stopped reading there. But if I did read on, I would point out that quantum mechanics is a highly theoretical field, whose proponents are constantly busying themselves looking for proof of their extremely convenient hypothesis to explain incongruities which have presented themselves in the altogether tangential and pseudoscientific framework of other theories which have led to their conclusions.

You mentioned something about amounts of percentages; I hope you don't believe that probabilities are things that exist in the real world.

 No.242

>>240

Then do the dual-slit experiment yourself, asshat.

 No.244

>>236
Yeah, but then you'd be dead, replaced by a phony copy of you that thinks it's you because it has a copy of your memories.

 No.261

>>244
Thats irrelevant and makes the false assumption that there is something that makes you, you. Consciousness is simply a tool

 No.264

>>261
> Consciousness is simply a tool

So are you.
Sorry, I just love doing that.

Of course what make you you is your memories, the way you process information and so on but this is a philosophical question that is going to need some attention.
>Billionaire Joe gets in an accident and comes out of the operating room XX% carbon fiber and silicon. Do his kids inherit?
>Jim uploads himself as a backup and then gets alzheimer's. The backup takes him to court claiming to be the "real" Jim because the original can't even remember his own name.
And so on.

I don't think that even the current legal definition of "person" will hold up much longer.



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 No.155[Reply]

No neural connections, though.
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 No.175

>>173
>You can get the same thing in reverse by lifting; do enough curls and it suddenly feels a lot easier to curl your arm without anything in it.

Yes, and you are building muscle by doing curls, are you not?

So what is the reverse of that? When you don't work your muscles like you would have before?

Muscle Atrophy

 No.176

>>174
>>175

I'm talking short term, not long term. If you wear it once for a few hours, your muscles won't atrophy, but you will feel weird. You can feel heavier after swimming or floating in the water for a while.

 No.177

>>176
Even in the short term its not engaging your muscles as they would normally be, meaning that you will later have to do more physical activity to work your muscles like you would have done normally before.

Not working your muscles results in muscle atrophy/stagnation.

>compares it again to something you do that works your body with your own muscles and helps build them.

>still cannot realize that the reverse of not working your muscles like they would normally of been worked results in stagnation or muscle atrophy.

Com'on man, this is basic.

 No.228

>>177
Not after 40 minutes. Right now, get up, stand in your doorway and push your arms against it for 30 seconds. Relax afterwards and they will float up on their own accord. This isn't due to them getting stronger, it's because of the short term memory in your neural pathways. It's essentially the same thing as an afterimage (no, they don't really burn your retina). The inverse is your brain learning that you need to input a certain amount of energy in order to walk normally, and then holding on to that once you take the exoskeleton off.

 No.262

>>169
Why? Who cares if their natural bodies are weak if their mechanical ones are as powerful as can be?



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 No.3[Reply]

So /th/, why havn't you gotten a diy augment yet?
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 No.32

>>9

So was sputnik

 No.38

I dont have any good ideas

I cant make one yet

Im not completely retarded to put something like that under my skin

 No.40

>>9
It's more of a proof of concept but that doesn't change the fact that it's retarded proof of concept.. give me a thousand dollars and I could insert your body full of small sensors capable of doing the same and more than that massive monstrosity without need for stitches..

 No.46

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There is no reason why sugery of any kind should be nessesary…

There are non-invacive interfaces that manage quite well.

The key to everything is inteligent assistants like google glass, Siri or Cortana… in the end if we can get artifical inteligece to really work these tools can begin to learn and adapt to us…

in time they can be like a 3rd brain lobe…

You see each lobe has a unique personality.. id disconected they can act independently… but the merge togeter into a gestalt mind…

The key is effortless instinctive communication…

with enught metrics and learning software these things will imporve and mold round us over years…

In time maybe death will only be crypling brain damage as our inteligent assistant are part of us…
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 No.260

>>3
I would like to get magnets under my finges but I am too much of a bitch to do it myself.



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 No.8[Reply]

http://kotaku.com/woman-puts-deus-ex-on-computer-chip-in-her-hand-1573033542
https://archive.today/FA4BC

how does it feel to know that the SJW cancer has already infested transhumanism?
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 No.247

>>8
Why has no one hacked the thing yet?

 No.249

>>29
According to some people, wearing glasses makes you a cyborg. Someone even wrote a book about it. Should've made it a hundred pages shorter, then it might've kept my interest.

 No.253

im fine with this, in a sense transhumanism will achieve the goal of sjws. we will all be equal, there will be no woman or man. in a sense i guess this means it wont achieve the goals of some feminists, just ones that truly value equality.

i could care less about equality, its just a side effect of transhumanism.

 No.258

>>253
Not just that, but future technology will solve the 'special snowflake' problem where a person's self-image and physical body are mis-matched.



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 No.205[Reply]

As I look at Captain Mecha and other mechanised people, I find that eternal life isn't always hapiness. It is because life is limited that people try hard to live, and to feel emotion for others, this is what creates kindness. That's what I have realised.

Mechanical bodies have got to be removed from the universe.

I've realised that living forever is no reason to obtain a mechanical body.

 No.206

>mechanised
>realised

Fuck off britfag

 No.216

>>205
>I find that eternal life isn't always hapiness.

Mortal life isn't always happiness, why would eternal life be any different? Eternal life is a delusion anyhow. Everything ends. The goal of immortality isn't to live forever, but to live as long as you want to, and then die when you feel the time is right.

 No.255

retards. why is being happy important that is the real question. it's just an something sent by your brain to reward you for behaviors it would like to see repeated. it has no value or significance, thats the great illusion.

its the biggest illusion i think in the world, that you live to be happy or that the goal is world happiness. its no different from someone who thinks the goal is to feel sexual pleasure 24/7. remember brave new world? the only difference is sexual pleasure has somewhat of a negative social stigma in this context.



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 No.181[Reply]

What are all the ISIS shitstains gonna do after the singularity? They obviously don't approve of augmenting/engineering the human body. They're ready to cripple communication networks or down a space elevator 9/11 style. The future cannot co-exist with these barbarians. But if we can't even solve the Middle East right now, what makes everybody so optimistic that advanced AIs/transhumans would fare any better against a bunch of kebabs with a nuke? Creation is stressful and arduous, destruction is instant and cathartic. In the hands of, say, ISIS, nanomachines and advanced AIs capable of engineering nukes, plagues, etc. could spell the death of humanity for the sake of their stupid fucking 6th-century caliphate.
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 No.193

>>186
>>182
>>183
Consider ISIS' ability to kidnap or otherwise force the hands of those who can operate and develop these weapons and tech

 No.194

>>193

They burned the Jordanian pilot, they didn't try to make him fly planes for them.

ISIS may be able to kidnap and force individual people in individual situations, but there's no way in hell they can do it to enough people to establish the infrastructure necessary to actually make that work, most of which never get remotely near ISIS.

 No.196

>less violent "westernized" muslims
>or fundamental prayer-healing christians
>get their hands on artificial womb tech
>use it to breed faster than rabbits
>because holy book said so

 No.201

If the singularity is what everyone is selling it as, then ISIS is going to mean less than nothing to transhumans.

Now, non-singularity transhumans could still conceivably be threatened. The technology for a nuclear bomb is not so complex that some ISIS chucklefuck could not understand it.

 No.254

wiped out, anyone who refuses transhumanism at some point will have to be wiped out.

why take a bomb when you can strap an emp to yourself as a human being, live, and still kill civilian targets. this is the danger they pose.



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 No.33[Reply]

What tat should I get to represent our ideals?
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 No.71

>>70
it's hard to use pockets in the nude

 No.72

>>71

When you're nude, the device with high storage is pointed at you

 No.191

>>33
A delta.
Change is good.
Change is everything.
Also, it doesn't look retarded.
Hell, get h+ surrounded by a delta.

 No.245

2 gears that looks like an 8 lying down
one should have an hour glass build into it and it should be tilted and there should be sand or oil flowing .
with the text at the edge¨the gears of time are turning just like ours¨
the other gear should have have a human skull with half of it being robotic and the other half bone it should be split at the middel of the face
with the text at the top above the skull in i slight curve¨to be or not to be¨

 No.246

>>245
scrap the text above the skull and replace it with life



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 No.167[Reply]

Why do SJW's have to insert themselves into everything?

http://ieet.org/index.php/IEET/more/murphy20150128
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 No.212

>>211
Agreed. Can we please just talk about upgrades?

 No.213

this is such bullshit. cyborgs can be post-gender

 No.214

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 No.241

>>211
sup cultural marxist? How's that PhD in sociology coming along?

 No.243

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No white people/asians = no awesome tech.
You think Tyrone is going to build a cardio inlay?



 No.226[Reply]

Some professional blacks, sick of being associated with their ghetto cousins, alter themselves to become white.

What happens?

 No.248

They become a multimillionaire pop star who may or may not have raped children. How is this relevant?



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 No.44[Reply]

>2015
>not being one with nature
>lel
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 No.161

>>160
I'd even say that going back is just plain impossible. You can't stop the progress.

 No.202

Why not have both?

Transhuman technologies are inevitably going to make humans more capable of bearing the harsh realities of nature. This will make it less necessary to rely on cities, and all their infrastructure systems, as a bulwark against nature.

In a transhumanist future, why have roads? Why live like miserable rats packed in cities? You won't need the infrastructure to support you anymore. Hell, with sufficiently advanced transhuman technology, why even have a house?

The very first thing we should do after obtaining sufficiently advanced transhuman technology should be to burn down every single city. Tear up the sidewalks and the asphalt, break apart the dirty concrete, and let nature reclaim them. As they are now, they are a blight on the landscape.

 No.203

>>202

We can find a little more balance than that. I agree though that one of the great possibilities of improving the basic capabilities of the human body is increased ability to explore more diverse environments.

Plus if you can get a ride to a new planet with some of the basics you can have your survivalist lifestyle and not have to worry about the X billion other people. The promise of space is the promise of a new start as much as anything else.

 No.204

>>203

I don't really see any reason to keep cities around at all once we don't need them. They are ugly as hell, filthy, and hugely destructive to the environment.

 No.207

>>44
>claiming to be one with nature
>not understanding it
>not realizing we are here to make it stronger
>not using it's glorious fruits for our technological hunger
you fucking savage



 No.195[Reply]

Economic right-wingers can be MUCH more easily convinced to embrace longevity tech than the left. None of that "it's unnatural" Gaian bullshit, and I haven't seen a single one talk seriously about holding it for a privileged few; that spectre comes entirely from the left.

http://reason.com/archives/2015/02/06/eternal-youth-for-all/


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 No.34[Reply]

What is Transhumanism?
Many people think Transhumanism is synonymous with cyberpunk; that its just living in a society where everyone has robot arms and legs, corporations are more powerful than the government, and there are neon lights everywhere. However this is not Transhumanism, this is cyberpunk. Cyberpunk is just a romanticized future of what the next step to the utopia of Transhumanism will be. And that is what Transhumanism is: a utopia or rather a philosophy of what the perfect utopia would be. I would say Transhumanism is a philosophy fundamentally based off of the teachings of Epicurus, in the way that all human action is based off of obtaining happiness and avoiding pain. Transhumanism is the answer to these desires. Transhumanism is the philosophy that a perfect utopia would consist of its people having two qualities: eternal bliss and eternal life, and the means to obtain the qualities is through technology.
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 No.149

>>148

There is nothing fundamental about transhumanizing technologies that cannot be managed with current philosophical concepts, such as the right to personal privacy, utilitarianism, the medical concept of beneficience, charity, and egalitarianism.

That last one is particularly important to understand in light of economic equalities that drive so much anti-transhumanist thought.

Suppose an improvement technology was developed that enhanced some aspect of humanity: intelligence, reflexes, longevity. It would be considerably less ethical in every sense to force both people to suffer than to simply let the rich man get it first, then speed its commercialization so that the poor man (and every other poor man) also get it.

 No.150

>>149
>Suppose an improvement technology was developed
This part is what makes transhumanism transhumanism. Introduction of new technology that throws our familiar playing field off it's usual balance and puts light on thing that were here all this time but we didn't really cared about until now.

 No.151

>utopia
>Epicurus
Fuck off, you're just one small segment of transhumanism not the entirety of it.
Implying related vid isn't transhumanism even though it clearly has nothing to do with utopia and is Nietzsche rather than Epicurus.

 No.152

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 No.162

>>67
Entropy. Desirable states are an extremely small subset of all states. A major change will therefore be towards a state that is undesirable unless specified. Personal power increases the size of changes with no particular preference for desirable states, because physics is amoral. Therefore the ability to create undesirable states increases, leaving the local mediocrity of murder and genocide and entering planetary or universal annihilation. This is not ideology, this is physics. Unless the universe is benevolent, an increase in power increases the relative ease of destruction.

>>66
Utopia would have to not be run by fickle, hyper-selfish (not just seeking personal gain, but others' ruin) humans. Either forcefully change human psychology not to prefer getting $50 oneself over having everyone get $100, or hand rule to an artificial intelligence. The AI would make the universe available to (post-)humans benevolent, and so great power can be held safely.

>>98
1. They listen too much to base emotions and initial judgments, usually colored by their ideology.
2. I'm autistic enough to note they're powered by glucose, that's for sure.
3. No. Morality is not located in the limbic system. People willingly overpower their feelings for a reasoned greater good, and are often right to do so (e.g. overcoming addiction, doing your homework, etc.). It is separate.

>>120
Look up Kahneman's "System 1"/"System 2" classification. Morality - perhaps ethics is a better word - exists in system 2 - it is slow and deliberate. But you can use it to motivate action.



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 No.131[Reply]

Aubrey de Grey talks like he's gargling something, but he outlines a plan for biological immortality.

 No.133

Fuck the DDoSing cocksucker who's trying to take down this place. This shit is important, and Beard Man is trying to save your fucking lives.

 No.144

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>>131

Aubrey de Gray is pretty fantastic, he's the reason I looked into bioengineering, which I am currently studying. I hope to put some of his strategies to use once I'm reading to get into the biotech business, but ideally by then I won't have to.

 No.145

>>144

Don't think for a minute that you won't be needed. You will, I guarantee it. The science is still nascent and the therapies don't yet exist. By the time you graduate, there might be more money. Or there might not.

I'm a bit over 30 and I'm afraid that there won't be enough related therapies by the time I'm old enough to need them.

Not dying requires patience, hefty amounts of brainpower, and shitloads of funding.



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