/thirdpositionist/ - Third Positionist Politically Incorrect

>>681

You are, mistaken.

>>678

Yes, open borders, SJWs, and bureaucracies are worst cancers though.

The link should be working in our board at the moment

Friends In Restoration and Emersion

They're ok but are starting to get cucked. The splinter groups are more authentically nationalistic at this point in time.

>>827

Maybe. How's Poland doing in left nationalism? We know there's "Strum" and all…

>joining something they can trace us to

Please be a troll…

Is this a serious thread?

>>820

Of course not.

>>822

>>820

What are you even doing here there's a lot more important threads then some spam they've hit a number of boards with this bs.

>>817

Good start! I wish friend function was still a function. You need a greater dogma on the conspiracy. To that end, D, I want to hear you on:

9-11

Jewish Question

Israel vs. Palestine

Race and Policy

Immigration

Economic plans (what are you exactly is basically what I'm asking)

Cooperation with other ideologies (seeing as this is America we're dealing with this was important. I knew this from the outset)

user/ozmandiasdrakes

>>672

Fuck em. I care about my nation on a civic level. If someone is a citizen, they should get the same treatment under the law as anyone else despite their ethnic background.

With that said, I mainly frequent this board because I consider myself to be an actual national socialist. Meaning, I believe that my country comes before the needs of other countries' and that some form of socialism needs to replace the current economic model which relies on exploitation of the proletariat.

Hitler, was more or less just a nationalist who hated Jews. He didn't seem to care about actually liberating the working class.

>>808

>an actual national socialist.

>Meaning, I believe that my country comes

>country

The country is not the nation; otherwise, the word nation state becomes a redundancy.

>>810

I understand, the nation is made up of the people but it's made up of all citizens. Not just the citizens that one group deems to be superior.

With that said, if someone isn't a citizen (say an immigrant) they should be deported but people who are citizens should get the same treatment under the law as anyone else.

>>811

Nationhood and citizenship are two different sorts of membership. I recommend Ferdinand Tönnies' simple framework of Gesellschaft vs. Gemeinschaft as something 'every poster on /thirdpositionist/ should be familiar.

Every state is a cultural institution of the biological beings who erected it. A state never forms in absence of a constituency, then precedes to staff its territories with a population of its choosing. The nation yields the state, which then confers citizenship.

A state can certainly become or deracinated, "denationalized" or more more precisely, inattentive to and even hostile towards the nation which founded it. But no matter what rights, for example, the Constitution guarantees for people of all heritages, it was at the outset an English diaspora document.

>>672

I do have some respect for Hitler. But it's a shame that he didn't actually implement NS.

Hitlerists on the other hand are pretty retarded.

>>802

American paleo Progressives were protofascists. There was even an organization that is seen as the spirtiual precursor to the Jugend. Not all were jew wise but most were at least against the banks. Including the guy who made the NS salute. Francis Bellamy was socialistic but against immigration too.

>>804

2nd and 3rd seem a little too A. Wyatt. Mann for me but other than that good work.

>>805

>American paleo Progressives were protofascists. There was even an organization that is seen as the spirtiual precursor to the Jugend. Not all were jew wise but most were at least against the banks. Including the guy who made the NS salute. Francis Bellamy was socialistic but against immigration too.

Thanks, I'll try to look into this !

Links with more info on these guys would helpful. Though isn't combining national syndicalism and monarchy just distributed mercantilism? Personally I never thought monarchy to be efficient post-industrial era though I suppose a caesarist/Bonapartist rule could be the exception.

>>797

The Misdeeds of Intellectuals (les méfaits des intellectuels) by Edouard Berth is a masterpiece but I don't find it in English. I will try to translate some of his stuff.

>Though isn't combining national syndicalism and monarchy just distributed mercantilism?

They have created National Syndicalism. Syndicalists like Sorel or Berth didn't seem to care much about Monarchism, They just realise Nationalism was the only way to have a true Syndicalim movement against the Globalists.

If you understand French:

"Oui, oui, vous êtes démocrates, égalitaires; vous faites profession d'aimer la science et le peuple; mais vous pensez que chez vous « le savoir est tout entier retiré » et qu'il vous appartient, en conséquence, de conduire le peuple; la science démocratique, allons donc! laissez-moi rire! — la science alliée à la production, la science technique raisonnée, la science dépendance de l'atelier, la vraie science, en un mot, oui, à la bonne heure; le vrai savant, c'est, aujourd'hui, le producteur; et, comme dit Proudhon, l'industriel est devenu supérieur au savant classique; mais votre science à vous, vos théories abstraites, cosmologiques, sociologiques, toutes ces choses qui n'ont rien à voir avec la production, qui prétendent planer au-dessus d'elle, nobles et immatérielles, et dont vous vous arrogez le monopole et la garde, ô possesseurs modernes de la Vérité laïque, ô dignes successeurs des Encyclopédistes, mais c'est la quintessence de l'aristocratie! Et de quelle aristocratie! de la plus funeste des aristocraties, de l'aristocratie intellectuelle, c'est-à-dire la morgue, le pédantisme et la stérilité au pouvoir! Et vous avez besoin, oui, d'une classe serve qui produise pour vous, qui vous entretienne, ô vous les éternels entretenus! Vous avez besoin « des goujats de la création » pour vous dispenser du « servile » travail manuel, ô vous qui ne savez que penser, je veux dire assembler des fiches; vous êtes des mondains, vous aimez la science oisive, la physique, je veux dire la sociologie amusante (les temps ont changé depuis M. de Voltaire); vous êtes les éternels inutiles, les non-producteurs, l'Etat, le monde, le parasitisme incarné et le plus féroce des parasitisme?,

car vous exploitez sans vergogne, exploitant au nom de l'Esprit-Saint laïque moderne! Et voilà pourquoi le syndicalisme vous épouvante, le syndicalisme, révolte de ces producteurs qu'une fois de plus vous espériez asservir, exploiter et dominer, car votre socialisme saint-simonien, soi-disant démocratique et égalitaire, serait l'exploitation portée au maximum, puisque ce serait l'Etat maître de tout, l'Etat, c'est-à-dire vous!"

Edouard Berth, Les Méfaits des Intellectuels, 1914.

>>796

I like it. Probably the best alternative to internationalist communism.

I don't understand, the manifesto says class colobaration, but earlier it basically says it's a classless society

Is it suggesting machines are sentient?

>>311

https://www.reddit.com/r/SocialCorporatism/comments/2yhuwf/fascist_antifascism/

You're a fucking kike. Read Sorel or Berth before shitting on National Syndicalism because they were Anti-Intellectuals. You try to make them look like Hitlerists type of Fascist when it's really not true.

>>311

I read it. Pretty silly. It doesn't actually eliminate the bourgeois mode of production. It sounds like it just "empowers" labor unions (doesn't really specify how) while allowing the bourgeois to continue to exploit the proletariat.

The healthcare, and all of that other stuff sounds nice but it's essentially just quasi-fascist social democracy.

National syndicalism would be a better alternative than this. It preserves the rights of the proletariat while eliminating capitalist production.

It also instills the ultimate sense of national pride since the people would literally comprise the state.

>>701

Seconded. I see my ethno-position being somewhat between Hitlerite and Splengerian notions of race methinks.

I voted for civic and cultural.

Anyone who thinks that American and African blacks have anything in common is retarded. American Blacks and Southerners actually have more in common than either have to Northerners. (Ebonics itself is just a bastardized version of the Southern dialect.)

Not to mention that there is too much similarity in the genepool between the different nations of the West (aside from racial minorities) for there to be "distinct" races within each nation. If you want to create a nationalism based on blood, then you would have trouble justifying a separate Dutch nation from a German one. Or, even the existence of Switzerland. Race and nation are two fundamentally different things.

Also, the OP pic should compare the woman on the left to a fat, poor white woman. Or, the woman on the right to a wealthy black woman. The differences in body build occur in individuals of the same race to much higher degree than the difference in the AVERAGES between the races themselves. Still with similar environments and weights, there probably would be much fewer differences, especially on the face. (There's also an age difference. The black woman is much older than the woman on the right.) Of course, still obviously noticeable, but not enough to literally be different species.

And, you also forgot that models often have their photos be modified by photoshop to look more attractive.

Again, there are differences between races, but they mostly come to minor shit like hair, skin color, very slight differences in facial features, and resistance/vulnerability to different diseases. Even IQ differences come into question considering the differences between children reared by white American soldiers and black American soldiers amongst German women post-WW2 have no discernible IQ difference. So, the IQ gap could be due to the lack of a healthy diet for sub-Saharan Africans, and the high levels of lead in urban black households and prevalence of single parent households for the American black population. (There's actually an interesting correlation between gasoline lead's introduction and ban and the rise and fall of American crime rates.)

Short: native europeans. Also it's about people rather than land.

Putting emphasis on sub racial groups or borders drawn on the map of europe can serve to divide white people, and historically caused big harm. This is why I look beyond such nationalism. My nation is Europe.

>>697

#1 + Shared biology

Culture is important, of course, but I wouldn't want Germany replaced completely with black people or like with the Syrians now.

On the other hand, "white" is enough for me.

European racism is often so much more complicated than American racism. Here, you have hierarchies of racism where maybe the Greeks are on bottom and Germans are higher. Or you have that whole conflict between Slavic and Germanic people and then the Croats saying, "No, we're not Slavs, how dare you, we are Germanic!" Etc.

So … "white" should be enough imo, I prefer the American model

The GDR certainly did a better job at preserving German culture.

>>141

but why don't we see this shit in Saudi Arabia or Iran then?

>>751

More effective governments. Both have crazy efficient moral police (Hisbah in Arabic I believe). Pakistan is a semi-failed state that tries to go tribal but the covert degeneracy is what prevents Tribals and/or Taliban from fucking their shit up.

I am against it as a basis for choosing the makeup of government although I did vote UKIP earlier this year

>>763

On national/immigration issues I assume?

Voting is inefficient because it can be rigged and no political parties will play it fairly.