/thirdpositionist/ - Third Positionist Politically Incorrect

1. Sounds interesting.

2. Not right away. Tragedy of the commons

3. Combining aspects of Civic and ethnic nationalism is better.

4. This!

5. Not all identity is bourgeois.

6. True Egalitarianism isn't possible

7. OH HELL NO!

8. I would not use those terms FYI.

>>715

heard of him before. There was also a "alt left" gforum, well they didnt use that term but its similar

http://phalanx.niceboard.com/

>>744

I was a member of that forum. Unfortunately, it kind of died off. I tried to revive it several times, but it seems that real-life has overtaken the adminship.

Hell, there's even the spambot maggots that usually appear on the corpses of dying forums.

>>747

Though, there has been a bit of activity actually. But, it seems to be the kind of shitty posts that characterized the forum during its decline.

There is literally no intelligent leftist who would be "tricked" by this.

It's just third position re-branded with more explicit left-wing economics supported in principle + race realism, and perhaps more moderate overall, without explicit social darwinist leanings which tend to ease their way into Third Position due to Fascism being within that category.

No consistent leftist will support this. That said "race realism" is a scientific assumption, not a political or moral one, in theory at least.

>>693

>This "muh white race" stuff is crap. There is no such thing as a "white nation", and honestly it is almost anti-nationalist to put one's skin color above one's actual nation.

Actually philosophically speaking the "white" category forms organically the same way other ethnicities do. It's how ethnic Europeans organically identify once cultural distinctions between them are ebbed away. To justify nationalism consistently you have to use a consistent axiom, which is Actual Idealism, and therefore you have to defend "white nationalism" in a general sense because it's philosophically consistent.

Doesn't mean you have to defend all its expressions and autism, for example getting obsessed over "muh pure genetics" is retarded, it's whatever the community organically accepts or "others" people by.

>>743

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Panther_Party

Don't have more info but some of their stuff was silly vis a vi the black panthers at least in terms of style.

>>766

Some (including myself at one point) have termed it 4th positionism

>>771

I don't doubt it was interesting per se but what justification do we have as American 3Pers/Natsocs/Nazbols/Strasserists/Socialists ect. to hang our hats on their legacy. The problem is that patchwork movements such as those in the 19th century (I didn't know the facts you stated as I'm more familiar with Gilded era movements) don't garner the gravitas that Continental European movements have.

>>772

Because, in some cases, the American socialists actually have even better theories on how capitalism works (Honestly, I find that folks in the early 19th century figured out the problems in capitalism in a much better and fundamental way than any time since.) and how a free society should work?

https://www.jacobinmag.com/2013/02/wage-slavery-and-republican-liberty/

Also, I was referring to the American Revolution, and the kinds of characters and parties referred to here. >>771

The problem with the American left was that it was fragmented and confused, THEN it was overwhelmed by cosmopolitan immigrants and became the forefront of the slow decline of the Left.

And, the justification is that they were left-wing nationalists who actually based their ideas on things that were appropriate to and forged from within the United States, instead of Germany or Russia. Also, Nazbols/Natsocs tend to be retarded authoritarians, and Otto Strasser, whilst a cool badass who deserves some recognition as a leftist, was too reformist whose ideas were more suited for Germany than in America.

>>774

>retarded authoritarians

not necessarily. The Nazbols aren't pure stalinists when it comes to economics and the Nazis only imposed gun control on Jews and foreign nationals. Personally I always admired the latter century socialists a la Belamy compared to the early 19th century philosophers. They're OK but their ideals are NOT suited for post-industrial US whereas the German and Russian revolutions are more on issues more relevant to what we go through today.

>>775

Actually, America didn't have that much industry in the early 19th century. In fact, the German and Russian Revolutions were the archetypal Industrial-era revolutions.

As for America's "post-industrialness", that is simply out-sourcing. All that means is that we need more programs for actually redeveloping manufacturing industries here. The situation would actually be very similar to early 19th century America, except we would be switching more from a service economy reliant on imports to an industrial economy. Early 19th century America was an agrarian economy reliant on imports.

>Gun culture is what I meant by authoritarianism

I would prefer a direct democratic confederation over a centralized state ruled by a single party, bureaucracy, or some pseudo-parliamentary body any day.

>Nazbols aren't pure Stalinists economically

Then, what is the National Bolshevik platform on economics and the structure of government?

>>776

>America didn't have that much industry

That's my point. Early archetypes are ill suited to industrial reality. When I was speaking about post-industrialness I was speaking in terms of culture and politik, not economics though I fully agree we need to bring industry home.

>Direct democratic confederation

Not gonna help us maintain order OR prevent us from being subverted. Look at history. Every attempt at a democratic confederacy was either subverted or conquered. You have to look at who the winners were and take away the positive aspects.

>Nazbol economics

It depends from faction to faction but Dugin seems closer to Stalinist while Limonov's faction is more geared towards the NEP. Not that they've addressed the Scissors problem.

I can't read the info

It's on delay it seems..

http://8ch.net/pol/res/4536488.html

so you guys are like pro-white cucks?

that's kinda lame

i mean, being cucked by whites is the same as being cucked by a big greasy junglebunny

jus sayin

This is a good idea

>>522

how will we proceed?

one /thirdpositionist/ person has joined as a catholic military guy

>>543

Another /thirdpositionist/ has joined as well.

Also besides the Interwar Albania game going on, there's another entirely different game GMed by someone else called "People's Republic of High School" which is about student commies trying to take over a high school. Naturally, there's a bunch of NatSoc players who have other ideas.

Albania game is still a thing. Currently in 1929. Country is now a monarchy and Italian influence keeps on growing.

Welcome.

Thanks friend.

>Shit OC made in Paint

>Sailor *Insert female name*

>Literally a fetishist for edgy stuff

Go kill yourself.

>>722

rude, please go back to >>>/b/

>>461

I agree. The NatSocs/Fascists will call us Communists and the Communists will call us Fascists.

I'm not saying we pick their label, but at least recognize certain Communists as comrades. Take National Bolsheviks for example. Sure, they are only civic nationalists like Stalin, but so are Fascists. We need allies from the left as well as the right. And as far as picking a label goes, our best bet is something along the lines of National Bolshevism or Strasserism. I personally identify with Strasserism because I am an ethnonationalist, although some Strasserists dislike me doing so because I am, economically, a Marxist-Leninist.

>As for Mao and Castro and those sort…they were the big anti-imperialists.

As am I, as an ethnonationalist. Whites had no right being in sub-Saharan Africa in the first place, and any revolt to overthrow ruling whites was totally justified in the name of nationalist and self determination. It is unfortunate that whites are in danger there, and we should save them. But their business going there was not good. I support men like Che just as I would those in the IRA and the Basque region, fighting to preserve their culture against imperialists. Remember, imperialism is anti-nationalist.

>>470

>civic nationalism

Nazbols vary in that regard (NBP vs. NBF) as do fascists (Early vs. Later War era fascists).

>>467

That whole image is made up.

>>463

the soviets moved millios of people around to get better republic borders

>>742

Within the Satellite states yes but not so much in Russia proper.

>>736

Why are you responding to 2-month-old posts ?

>>737

Honestly this place can get slow sometimes. On occasion, I look back to see what threads are interesting and bump them if I actually have anything to say on the matter.

>>322

>That name though. I just wish they could have come up with something that sounds less faggy.

The name dates from before the associations of "rainbow = faggotry" which I believe was a 1980s construction. The "Americal" (UW WWII infantry unit I believe) I think has a rainbow patch, and thats from WWII

>>321

partition the US into ethnic republics.

>>482

it didn't work last time, because it wasn't equal segregation, it was 'whites get the best parts blacks get the shittiest parts'. Equally partitioning southern states into black and white states would work better, from that POV

>>736

I think thats because the Spanish were a minority when they olonized shit, so they made a different classification. Germanics also had a looser definition of 'indian' so part natives were classified as white, and the US wanted to assimilate the native population and make them white/have them intermingle with whites.

>>725

>Anybody really think that corporatism, where workers and management have 50/50 ownership with the state intervening, actually is the solution to capitalism?

Not everyone on this board believes in 50/50 ownership. A lot of us are genuine socialists who simply don't believe in the complete elimination of regional governments after a world revolution.

>>725

3P isn't just Straserrism. also, see

>>727

I like it

>>726

MORE !

Probably class, but only because in say full borderless stateless communism individual communes still pass their own laws, saw even there is still possible to have a nation whereas without socialism porky will keep finding excuses to flood it with cheap foreign labor.

>>583

so even*

>>580

I'd reluctantly pick class.

>>583

>but only because in say full borderless stateless communism individual communes still pass their own laws, saw even there is still possible to have a nation

You're exactly right. That's why I'll never understand the fact that anarcho-kiddies honestly believe it's possible to establish a "stateless society". Tribal and communal affiliations will always exist all of the anarcho-kiddies who think otherwise are very naive.

>>614

all these variants of anarchism and it's descriptions are really about stateless society with a particular author's wish on how it should look like attached. In the end, it would be communities who would decide for themselves.

I noticed but hopefully we can make a film or something like /pol then. Let's call it "The Jealous God" or something like that.