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Corporatism/Distributism Anonymous 09/07/15 (Mon) 06:54:42 No.442

Hey /thirdpositionist/, long time /pol/ user here who wants to check out this board I wish this place was more active; seems pretty neat.

I still get mixed up a lot with various schools of political and economic thought and where they're supposed to be on the political spectrum. Right now, I'm wondering where Distributism and Corporatism would fall. Do they count as Third Position?

Anonymous 09/07/15 (Mon) 07:01:09 No.443

I would say that those are far-right economic policies. Basically, no economic system is third position in its self, because third position idealogies categorize socialism + nationalism. Socialism is workers', (or collective) ownership of the means of production. Distrubutism and corpratism feature capitalist (or private) ownership of the means of production.

Anonymous 09/07/15 (Mon) 07:50:04 No.446

>>443

>Distrubutism and corpratism feature capitalist (or private) ownership of the means of production.

This is true, but the two systems also critique capitalism as much as they do socialism (or at least Rerum novarum - which Distributism/corporatism descend from - does). They also support cooperatives, which is pretty collective.

Anonymous 09/08/15 (Tue) 07:40:22 No.447

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I myself don't believe that those who qualify as Third Positionist accept the political spectrum as a viable thing to begin with.

I don't see the Third Position as an actual extension of the spectrum, but a trite retort by those who gaff at its dichotomy as a genuine current of thought.

Part of this is the incentive to champion yourself as being on one of the ends and chastize anyone who disagrees with you as being on the totally opposite end, or to champion yourself as being in the center (because yeah, only my line of thought cares about being practical, it's not an ideology at all brah) and everyone else as far-x or far-y.

To play the game of the spectrum, however, I will say the following. Distributism would be moderate left and Third Position-leaning. The typically Catholic attitude it ensconces derives its ideal from other than the modernist bias of the conventional spectrum entities. They all talk about being in favor of private property but against capitalism, explaining their heterogenous affinity for small business, craft guilds and workers' cooperatives. They want all the variations of private property without the escalation of businesses into late capitalist conglomerates.

Corporatists, if we are talking about the Italian fascist kind, were sort of the first to claim the Third Positionist label

Anonymous 09/08/15 (Tue) 21:35:50 No.448

>>447

>They all talk about being in favor of private property but against capitalism, explaining their heterogenous affinity for small business, craft guilds and workers' cooperatives.

Do you find this to be contradictory in any way or do you find it plausible?

>Corporatists, if we are talking about the Italian fascist kind, were sort of the first to claim the Third Positionist label

I do admire Italian (and British; Mosley's pretty based) corporatism.

Anonymous 09/11/15 (Fri) 06:12:06 No.451

>>448

Well it has a coherent basis in the Church's advocacy for as many people having private access to property as possible. Whether it's something that a movement could viably achieve is a different thing.

Anonymous 09/12/15 (Sat) 02:25:56 No.452

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>>451

>Whether it's something that a movement could viably achieve is a different thing.

The only examples that I can think of it working are two, one real and one fictitious: for the real world, the Amish have a sort of Distributist leaning, although they are from a German Protestant as opposed to an Anglo-Catholic sect. As for the fictitious example, The Shire in LotR. That is often praise as a perfect example of a Distributist system in action.

I'm thinking that it could work, but only on a small scale, agrarian setting. I don't know if it would work in a larger, more industrialized nation.

Anonymous 09/12/15 (Sat) 15:43:29 No.454

Reminder that distributism, corporatism, fascism and radical traditionalism is the true third position and that most of this board is actually alt left.

Anonymous 09/12/15 (Sat) 19:32:08 No.455

>>454

The alt-left and alt-right are both third position

Anonymous 09/13/15 (Sun) 01:50:03 No.456

>>452

>I'm thinking that it could work, but only on a small scale, agrarian setting. I don't know if it would work in a larger, more industrialized nation.

Well that's where the Church's advocacy for workers' cooperatives come in, because heavy industry simply has to involve large enterprises and can't be ma and pa operations. So that's how they adapted their policy.

>>454

Yeah, this is going to be a recurring miscommunication.

Anonymous 09/13/15 (Sun) 19:56:57 No.457

>>455

I suppose so but there's an annoying lack of alt-right posters here, possibly due to /pol/ being more accepting of them.

Anonymous 09/15/15 (Tue) 02:01:17 No.460

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>>456

>Well that's where the Church's advocacy for workers' cooperatives come in

Ah, OK. That makes more sense.

>>454

I'm leaning more towards this idea. As strange as it sound, Distributism kinda speaks to me. I'll have to research it more though; I know that there's Chesterbelloc, McNabb, Dorothy Day, but are there any others?