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Question Anonymous 08/07/15 (Fri) 20:13:47 No.51

I get the third position idea behind National Socialism. Can someone explain to me how Communism is third position?

Anonymous 08/07/15 (Fri) 20:19:07 No.52

Strasserism is the socialist strand of NS which falls under the third position umbrella.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strasserism

Anonymous 08/08/15 (Sat) 17:54:13 No.103

>>51

Marxism-leninism aka stalin

Anonymous 10/12/15 (Mon) 13:01:08 No.502

>>103

IMHO Stalinism and Marxist-leninism are two different creatures with similar features. Stalinism is more honorable while ML arguably did some damage to Russia (and Hungary especially)

Anonymous 10/13/15 (Tue) 07:17:43 No.505

>>502

In Hungary the leading "Stalinists" were largely Jews (Rákosi, Farkas and Révai), the emphasis on Hungarian nationalism came afterwards under Nagy and Kádár and coincided with the denunciation of "Stalinism."

Moczar, a nationalist Pole who claimed to be fighting Zionism in the late 1960s, was denounced under "Stalinism" as a nationalist-deviationist and only rehabilitated after Stalin's death.

Anonymous 10/13/15 (Tue) 14:31:51 No.507

>>505

Stalinism didn't exist at the time of the Hungarian republic though. Kadar claimed to denounce Stalinism but was still VERY Stalinist. As for Moczar it was a result of general anti-polish suspicions (as carried over from the great purge). With Stalinism, guys like Moczar weren't needed and their "nationalisms" clashed. When the post-war leftists took over, the nation desperately needed someone like Moczar to help fight the Zionists.

Wait what ideology are you?

Anonymous 10/13/15 (Tue) 17:33:03 No.509

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>>507

>Stalinism didn't exist at the time of the Hungarian republic though.

I… have no idea what you mean. Stalin's writings, portraits and general praise for him were everywhere in Hungary until after Rákosi's death. All this then promptly disappeared, particularly after 1956, in line with what was happening in the USSR.

>Kadar claimed to denounce Stalinism but was still VERY Stalinist.

He unbanned the works of Kafka and others denounced in the period when Stalin was alive. His economic system was the most liberal in Eastern Europe outside of Yugoslavia, and was studied by Chinese economists in the 80s who found it a valuable source for their own "market socialist" theories.

>Wait what ideology are you?

"Stalinist"

Anonymous 10/14/15 (Wed) 11:22:08 No.511

>>509

I'm talking about the 1919 republic not postwar.

>Kadar

Security wise he was very Stalinist overall. His liberalization was a political response to Nagy and the 56 rebellion

>"Stalinist"

Why put that in quotes?

Anonymous 10/15/15 (Thu) 04:36:42 No.515

>>511

>Security wise he was very Stalinist overall. His liberalization was a political response to Nagy and the 56 rebellion

Security doesn't mean much though. After 1956 Stalin was openly denounced in Hungary, the same as in the rest of Eastern Europe. His doctrines on class struggle under socialism and stuff like that were repudiated. The sort of cultural and economic liberalization he carried out would have never been done under Rákosi or other actual "Stalinists."

What makes security specifically "Stalinist" anyway? Taiwan had a one-party state under the Kuomintang but I don't think anyone would say "the Kuomintang were Stalinist."

>Why put that in quotes?

Because I don't know what the difference is between MLism and "Stalinism." Can you explain?

Anonymous 10/15/15 (Thu) 15:20:32 No.519

>>515

I view security under a lens of hardline vs. reformist. Indeed Hungary was reformist post rebellion but you didn't see Kadar putting these ideas forth ahead of time. I'm only talking about Kadar himself, not the policies he enacted which are no doubt influneced and/or coerced by Kruschev.

Stalinism is distinguished by its nationalist and its chauvinistic appeal. It is leftism that tries to capture the more positive social aspects of ethnic past vis a vi Marxist Leninism which seeks to discard those things entirely, albeit not as fast as Trotskysm or social democracy.

Anonymous 10/17/15 (Sat) 23:38:44 No.531

>>519

>but you didn't see Kadar putting these ideas forth ahead of time.

Wasn't he arrested when Stalin was alive? And wasn't he an associate of Nagy? (obviously up until Nagy broke with the Soviets)