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 No.684

 No.686

Interesting site although he makes it seem that Alt-Left is for whites only. How can that be when the Alt-Right (depending on the day) acknowledges that it is a tool for non-whites also? Also, is this your website OP? I remember a blogspot or WP page by a guy named Marty K. I wonder if its still around.


 No.687

>>686

Nope,this isn't mine.


 No.689

>>687

Do you consider yourself an old school Ho Chi type or with the 90s type reformists?


 No.691

>>686

Well, but the mainstream left has always allowed for minority nationalism in tandem with progressive policies. There's never been much in the way of a "White Panther Party" or an EZLN defending Amish people or something like that


 No.692

>>691

What I'm saying is, beyond this board and maybe a few other places online, there has yet to be a tradition of white identity plus progressive politics. So this guy is meandering in that direction


 No.693

Reformist social democracy with white nationalism attached?

GGGGGGAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY

This "muh white race" stuff is crap. There is no such thing as a "white nation", and honestly it is almost anti-nationalist to put one's skin color above one's actual nation.

There are Americans, Frenchmen, Germans, Britons, and Swedes, but there is no white nation. The same can be said for the nations in Africa.

Hell, African immigrants in America act differently from both European African immigrants and African-Americans. (The former actually tends to be more like Asians economically and educationally, whilst the latter are similarly shit-tier in both.)

In fact, the problem is precisely that the racial division in society, encouraged by both multiculturalists and racialists, is destroying the nation as we know. I mean, look at America. The cities are divided into racially designated neighborhoods and suburbs. The countryside, which is mostly white, is so alien to both that it's a completely different country for all intents and purposes. (At least, rural and urban folk of other countries can at least share a common national/regional culture.)

Also, the nation should not be understood as one's skin color or race, but rather as a cultural and civic entity that is the citizenry's sovereignty made manifest. The nation is the citizenry made sovereign, composed of the different regions, cities, and industries that make it up. Can there be a Germany without Bavaria, Hannover, and the Rhineland? Can there be a Bavaria without Munich, Nuremburg, and Augsburg? Can there be a Nuremburg without it's neighborhoods? Can there be a Nuremburg without the industries that drive the city's economic engine? This is why the nation must be a confederation of regions and industries. This is why the nation must be directly ruled by it's rightful sovereign, the citizenry. Yes, there can only be a citizenry if the citizenry are the DIRECT, SOVEREIGN rulers of the state, if they ARE the state. If they, the working class, ARE the ruling class, owning the means of production. If they ARE the military. Every liberty and duty that a ruler has is bestowed upon the citizenry as a whole. In this sense, the nation is the res publica, the commonwealth, the democracy made manifest. A citizenry united in confederation, under a cultural federation. Bretons, Parisians, and Lorrainians united as Frenchmen. Note the lack of room for whites and blacks, which are merely the most primitive of tribal labels. Nationalism can not and will not be compatible with racial tribalism.

As for reformist social democracy, I think it should obvious why that hasn't worked.

Anyways, sorry for the long-winded rant.


 No.694

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>>693

Just to be clear, do you see the nation as a cultural subdivision of a greater race, or is race irrelevant to it?

Pic related: the infamous "black Breton"


 No.695

>>694

>Wears hipster glasses

>Wants to be Breton, and wears a kilt

Race is irrelevant, but this guy is just being silly.

Though, I guess more Bretons are wearing kilts nowadays to be more "Celtic", but traditionally kilts are mostly reserved for Scotland and, to a much lesser extent, Ireland.

I would give a better example, but I've already namefagged enough as it is.


 No.696

>>695

Though, that doesn't mean that mass immigration is good. Most first-generation immigrants don't assimilate too well and tend to cluster up into their own communities.

It's just that if you stop FURTHER immigration, the immigrant population, if too small in number to really "compete" against the rest of the nation, would become assimilated, especially with state policies that push for assimilation.


 No.703

>>689

Well,I'm a sort of a leftcom so what do you consider I am ?


 No.704

>>703

I'm not a Marxist Leninist so I don't think I can be a Ho Chi Minh type.


 No.710

>>703

>>704

I just wasn't sure given that you were Vietnamese sry.


 No.715

PS: found this blog on a /leftypol thread.

Some guy who sort of stands between /leftypol and /thirdpositionist but closer to us at points.

https://robertlindsay.wordpress.com/


 No.743

>>691

Ther WAS a white panthet party.


 No.744

>>715

heard of him before. There was also a "alt left" gforum, well they didnt use that term but its similar

http://phalanx.niceboard.com/


 No.747

>>744

I was a member of that forum. Unfortunately, it kind of died off. I tried to revive it several times, but it seems that real-life has overtaken the adminship.

Hell, there's even the spambot maggots that usually appear on the corpses of dying forums.


 No.748

>>747

Though, there has been a bit of activity actually. But, it seems to be the kind of shitty posts that characterized the forum during its decline.


 No.766

There is literally no intelligent leftist who would be "tricked" by this.

It's just third position re-branded with more explicit left-wing economics supported in principle + race realism, and perhaps more moderate overall, without explicit social darwinist leanings which tend to ease their way into Third Position due to Fascism being within that category.

No consistent leftist will support this. That said "race realism" is a scientific assumption, not a political or moral one, in theory at least.

>>693

>This "muh white race" stuff is crap. There is no such thing as a "white nation", and honestly it is almost anti-nationalist to put one's skin color above one's actual nation.

Actually philosophically speaking the "white" category forms organically the same way other ethnicities do. It's how ethnic Europeans organically identify once cultural distinctions between them are ebbed away. To justify nationalism consistently you have to use a consistent axiom, which is Actual Idealism, and therefore you have to defend "white nationalism" in a general sense because it's philosophically consistent.

Doesn't mean you have to defend all its expressions and autism, for example getting obsessed over "muh pure genetics" is retarded, it's whatever the community organically accepts or "others" people by.


 No.778

>>743

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Panther_Party

Don't have more info but some of their stuff was silly vis a vi the black panthers at least in terms of style.

>>766

Some (including myself at one point) have termed it 4th positionism




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