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 No.697

 No.701

I picked #1 + Shared biology. Mainly because I think that race is important although I don't believe in genocide. That answer just seemed like a good compromise between civic and racial nationalism.


 No.706

>>701

Cool. I decided to vote in my own poll, and represent the sub-racial cause


 No.720

Alright people, we've got 8 votes so far. Please don't vote twice, and have your say if you haven't had it yet


 No.721

>>701

Seconded. I see my ethno-position being somewhat between Hitlerite and Splengerian notions of race methinks.


 No.723

I voted for civic and cultural.

Anyone who thinks that American and African blacks have anything in common is retarded. American Blacks and Southerners actually have more in common than either have to Northerners. (Ebonics itself is just a bastardized version of the Southern dialect.)

Not to mention that there is too much similarity in the genepool between the different nations of the West (aside from racial minorities) for there to be "distinct" races within each nation. If you want to create a nationalism based on blood, then you would have trouble justifying a separate Dutch nation from a German one. Or, even the existence of Switzerland. Race and nation are two fundamentally different things.

Also, the OP pic should compare the woman on the left to a fat, poor white woman. Or, the woman on the right to a wealthy black woman. The differences in body build occur in individuals of the same race to much higher degree than the difference in the AVERAGES between the races themselves. Still with similar environments and weights, there probably would be much fewer differences, especially on the face. (There's also an age difference. The black woman is much older than the woman on the right.) Of course, still obviously noticeable, but not enough to literally be different species.

And, you also forgot that models often have their photos be modified by photoshop to look more attractive.

Again, there are differences between races, but they mostly come to minor shit like hair, skin color, very slight differences in facial features, and resistance/vulnerability to different diseases. Even IQ differences come into question considering the differences between children reared by white American soldiers and black American soldiers amongst German women post-WW2 have no discernible IQ difference. So, the IQ gap could be due to the lack of a healthy diet for sub-Saharan Africans, and the high levels of lead in urban black households and prevalence of single parent households for the American black population. (There's actually an interesting correlation between gasoline lead's introduction and ban and the rise and fall of American crime rates.)

Actually, humanity has very low genetic variety, primarily due to the population bottlenecking quite a bit. At one point, the human population was reduced to around 13,000 by a supervolcano, 70,000 years ago.


 No.749

Short: native europeans. Also it's about people rather than land.

Putting emphasis on sub racial groups or borders drawn on the map of europe can serve to divide white people, and historically caused big harm. This is why I look beyond such nationalism. My nation is Europe.


 No.754

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>>723

Well, here I go:

>Anyone who thinks that American and African blacks have anything in common is retarded.

I get a different impression comparing Detroit and Monrovia

>American Blacks and […] the Southern dialect.)

Which is the concern here. People of different biologies will create different cultures; even if a foreign one is handed down to them intact they'll bastardize it anyway.

>Not to mention that […] the existence of Switzerland.

As to the first point, you can demarcate clear differences between, say, someone of a historically Norwegian bloodline versus someone of a historically Greek one. Dutch and German are in the end both Germanic nationalities. Sure, the populations of Europe have been stirred up. You still have clusters of people though, who are not that mixed (some of these even "pure") and could serve as the grounding for such a nationalism. The more mixed bloodlines could be "distilled" over generations via, say, a directed breeding program. 'This is "just a musing'', though, and not really a concern in the forefront of my mind.

Your examples here show that a racial group can be broken down in to cultural groups. That doesn't mean that race and culture are inherently separable, as all people participating in a cultural context are still biological beings with particular heritages. It matters whether there are some isolated individuals of alien heritage "riding along" within the culture carried on by the native heritage, or if there are reams of the alien heritage (either widely distributed so that they frequently interact in stable, multiple relationships and can impact the native culture on some level, or cluster to yield their own culture with ghettos being a notable example)

>Also, the OP pic should […] to be literally different species.

Even if I did that it wouldn't matter. The woman on the left is unquestionably aboriginal, an the one on the right is unquestionably white. While the matter of them being different species might ultimately have taxonomical issues, I get a lesser feeling of difference comparing pictures of great white sharks and tiger sharks then comparing stereotypical examples of the different races. Admit it; the abo women resembles a gorilla in a way that an ugly, old and fat white woman wouldn't. As in she doesn't merely have an uncanny resemblance, but actually seems to betray some primitive simian linkage.

>And, you also forgot that models often have their photos be modified by photoshop to look more attractive.

Obviously there's propaganda value to the poster. But I don't think you'll find any candid photo or screenshot of Candace Swanepoel in which she looks like anything less than a Nazi poster child, much less questionably Arab or questionably mestizo.

>Again, there are differences … fall of American crime rates.)

I'm not going to touch this, because I've spent a good handful of hours of my past on various threads in which nature vs. nurture debates wind up being slugfests wherein we back and forth post research that agrees with our positions, on and on without reaching common ground. So I'm not going to submit my own race-friendly IQ research. Anyone can obtain that in fifteen minutes on /pol/ and sift the wheat from the chaff (there are both).

>Actually, humanity has very low genetic variety, primarily due to the population bottlenecking quite a bit.

This is the whole Lewontin's fallacy argument, whereby a low number of genetic differences are used to discount any important phenotypical realities coded for by those few differences. Hey, the only thing distinguishing men and women is one out of 46 chromosomes being an X or a Y. Guess we can start discarding sex as a trivial sidenote.

Whatever competing figures I come across when I check out how genetically similar humans are to chimps, pigs, mice, fruit flies or bacteria, my reaction is always, "WTF, that x percent covers ALL this difference?" So when I hear the "humans are 99.9% similar" meme, my reaction is the opposite of most people. I think "Damn, there's a LOT going on in that .1%"


 No.795

>>697

#1 + Shared biology

Culture is important, of course, but I wouldn't want Germany replaced completely with black people or like with the Syrians now.

On the other hand, "white" is enough for me.

European racism is often so much more complicated than American racism. Here, you have hierarchies of racism where maybe the Greeks are on bottom and Germans are higher. Or you have that whole conflict between Slavic and Germanic people and then the Croats saying, "No, we're not Slavs, how dare you, we are Germanic!" Etc.

So … "white" should be enough imo, I prefer the American model




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