026b0b No.2938
Unlike the cringe thread, this one will be for bringing attention to issues involving users that we still have a lot of respect and appreciation for but at the same time really pisses us off for one reason or another. So I'll start…
OZZY…GET YOUR SHIT TOGETHER.
The quality of your work has gone so incredibly downhill in the past few years. The copy/paste happy pages of Yoly (first image attached) where you cut every corner imaginable was the first sign. And now this new hyped up Yenny reboot that a lot of people were so excited over was such an incredibly LETDOWN. Its like you're using one of those comic generator programs now (second image)…wheres the life, motion and passion in your work we all came to love so much?
I get it…this isn't your main deal. You're currently trying to make it as a legit professional artist in the mainstream. But honestly, I'm sure plenty of us would prefer that rather than trying to placate the community with random shitty products, take the time and expense to give us something that even hints a little bit towards the type of energy you put into the old Yenny Adventures stuff.
And yeah thats all I got…
026b0b No.2939
Yeah I'll admit the new Yenny is pretty shitty. Plus I still think him and Velly Z are the same person. Someone posted this comparison over on /d/ some time ago.
It was theorized that at the time he had officially "retired" from the tickling art while trying to make his mainstream Yenny series but as it wasn't going to well, he needed extra funds so he created the Velly Z persona to make extra money. And in the process pissed off a lot of people by taking money for commissions and never delivering.
04ff49 No.2940
well caroo's deviant art got suspended recently. not sure why
74d795 No.2941
He got suspended for missing a censor on some vagina penetration on one of his pictures.
026b0b No.2942
>>2940>>2941My main issue with him right now is more of a personal issue…him turning into a brony which I'm really not big of…
74d795 No.2943
>>2942> Well that's just one of those to each their own things. I like his anthro pony stuff personally. Funnily enough the picture he posted that got him suspended was just pure furry. And porn.
3d762d No.2944
>>2942>My main issue with him right now is more of a personal issue…him turning into a brony which I'm really not big of…… and then he fucked your mom? Killed your dog?
Is him literally just being an autist bothering you? Because boy howdy are you in for a world of disappointment if you intend to only be fans of guys who aren't into weird and stupid shit with this fetish…
2ec6b8 No.2945
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026b0b No.2946
>>2944Was that really necasary? All o was trying to imply is that I loved his work for many years but when he became a brony it suddenly killed it for me.
3d762d No.2947
>>2946It depends, were you the same guy who went off on sort of a tangent before?
At any rate, most of these artists have some weird shit up with them. Ignore it, is the ponyshit really dominating his output that much?
64f3c7 No.2949
Screampunk, stop using adfly to link to your pixiv
I know you need money, but that place is lousy with viruses
ac78eb No.2950
zp92, please get off Quinton's dick already. I love your art man, I really do, but stuff like Black Widow (Tsai Lynz)/Horncraft (G'glyn)/Silena (Kiihra) and arguably Otachi-Ku(which showed up suspiciously around Issuvi) are just REALLY blatant redesigns. Not bad ones, just…they're obviously not original. Widow especially.
You've got hundreds and hundreds of characters you've made and forgot about (Dobie Sisters, Darius, Megan, Scora, Rosie, Lucy, Blaze, Silver, Iggy, Hypno, etc.) so why not do something with them instead?
Your art is still good and continues to improve, but just please do your own thing.
e84614 No.2952
>>2950Dude, everyone has been on his jock as of late. I'm 75% sure It because this is no damn tickle fantasy with furries.(With somewhat of a actually canon) Other then Afterlands. That and he draws both woman and men pretty damn hot.
I don't have anyone to bitch about because I don't really care.XD
026b0b No.2955
>>2949THANK YOU. I'm glad someone said it. I feel like this…"person" has been trying to make extra money off their art for ages; having tried everything from removing all their art from the internet and trying to sell it as a batch (including paid commissions) to using adfly to get more income via clicks. CUT THE SHIT. JUST DO IT LIKE EVERYONE ELSE.
4b2e47 No.2956
>>2950As much as I like Issuvi, her popularity has more or less resulted in the fact that my own Argonian gal can never see the light of day.
She was created first (she was my Skyrim PC) but if I try to introduce her now, EVERYONE will assume she's a copy.
64f3c7 No.2957
e84614 No.2959
>>2956Yeah you are right. But, to be fair. A vast of the tickle community have made HA ocs. Not just you.
Can't wait til everyone says I riped him off even thou I have been writing fantasy tickle work since I joined deviantart.
But, then again I'm not on the top of everyones watch list and I post so lil.XD
>>2955I honestly, think he leaves a bad taste in everyones mouth. You should of saw his break down on tickletheater.
2a7125 No.2960
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>>2957Alas, I have the 360 version. She's nothing special really, just your typical blood-red amazonian Argonian. Named Athena.
>>2959She was never really meant to be a "Haa" OC, as she was created before Quinton arrived.
I don't really have any OC's that belong in the world of Haa because I kind of prefer to keep my OC's in my own universe. Don't get me wrong, I love the concept of Haa (hell one of the reasons I'm getting a comic is to also start a furry-tickling themed world with a set continuity), it's just not for me.
Having said that, I do have a couple chars (like this gryphoness here) that don't really fit into Helios's world, and are basically going to be "someplace else." I may consider throwing them into Haa but I'm not really sure if I will.
2a7125 No.2961
More on topic, the person I feel who needs to get their shit together the most is me.
Commissioning the same chars, the same poses, and with complex ideas that work poor artists to death.
I need to step it up.
ac78eb No.2963
>>2952>>2959Oh, I don't mind if he makes a Haa OC. I love Haa. I hope more and more people make Haa OCs.
What I have an issue with is the Haa characters he's making up are blatantly redesigned versions of Quinton's characters, except maybe Abriika.
64f3c7 No.2964
Varikki, stop trying so hard
or try harder
not sure which you need to do
e84614 No.2965
>>2963 Honest I can't tell. It is all greek to me.
e84614 No.2966
>>2961(Comes in close) you are the one person who should not be a brony. Because you get sidetracked too much.
3bd638 No.2967
e84614 No.2968
>>2967You do way too many poles sometimes without letting the first one get done. That is all.
7a3e7b No.2969
This isn't aimed at any artist in specific and I know for a good many of the cases it's a fault on the part of the commissioner, but I wish that pictures nowadays were not so inundated with using stocks (Despite being a major footfag), to an extent modern bondage gear, and floating tools. I mean, surely there are other positions and means of restraint that can be used.
e84614 No.2970
Oh,boy another one of these threads.
64f3c7 No.2972
391c63 No.2973
Awwww the 4chan guys got lonely and decided to drop on by.
Isn't it cute how much they hate things?
ac78eb No.2978
>>2973What the hell are you talking about?
59b84b No.2980
>>2973You realise most people here migrated from /d/, right?
3d762d No.2981
>>2973Ball breaking was never the problem (for me, anyway), it was just when the people doing it felt the need to ruin every single aspect of the thread with minor faggotry and spergouts to the point it seems like any second they were able to break out the old 'JUST PRETENDING TO TROLL YOU!' line.
64f3c7 No.3018
>>2969Comissioners have no fucking imagination, I swear to god
e84614 No.3027
>>3018If you get to complicated. People you pay might not be able to do It.
That and you can only tickle people so,many different ways.
Unless, we got full ham and start using freaking rust removers to tickle robots.
Oh,trust me I have tons of fun ideas. But, I lack the money to commission and you might lose people If you commission something to outlandish.
And then you got priceXtime. Either we have tons of people tickled with normal ideas. Or have one person tickled in a very complexed way.
But, really. There is only so many ways to tickle a mother fucker.XD
64f3c7 No.3028
>>3027I love outlandish commissions, personally. The moreso the better.
They might be a pain in the ass to draw, but goddamn they're fun
e84614 No.3029
>>3028If I figure out who you are I'll keep that in mind.
But honestly, their is a science to why their is so many of the samething.
We could go into the idea of people thinking when you commission your OC as being egotistical.
cbd7f8 No.3032
>>2961I wanted to tell you that, but I thought it'd be too hurtful.
>>2969This so much. Tickle art is so boring nowadays. :( All stocks and tentacles and floating feathers.
e84614 No.3033
>>3032Well,yeah. The idea is those are easier to draw. And don't get in the way as much as. Machines and what not.
cbd7f8 No.3034
>>3033What's the point of comissioning something boring?
64f3c7 No.3038
>>3033I hate floating tools, but floating hands are the fucking worst things to draw, cause you always need like six of them or some shit
d9adce No.3082
>>3027
>That and you can only tickle people so,many different ways.This is true, but there are tools or methods that seemingly get consistently overlooked, such as the wartenberg wheel or using string or something akin to it to floss between the toes.
e84614 No.3083
>>3082Funny you should bring that up.
Let us talk about the 100s of god damn feet ticklings shall we.
04ff49 No.3133
>>3082or baby powder instead of oil
1197e0 No.3134
>>3082>floss methodShoestring as a flossing tool is so potent I swear it could tickle a rock.
e15a97 No.3142
>>3134Speaking from experience?
e84614 No.3144
And of course It turns into feet. It always becomes about feet.
74d795 No.3147
>>3083It's almost as if a large majority happens to have a preference or something. I'm not trying to start shit by any means but at the end of the day its what they want. And if they're paying for it and the artist is willing then that's that. If you want something more "unique" then your best bet is to commission or draw it yourself.
Not everyone can afford to commission people very often if at all so when they can they tend to focus on certain priorities they have, whether it's original or not.
e84614 No.3152
>>3147That is not the problem. The problem is,somehow feet gets shoehorned into everything.
d3e66d No.3153
>>3152>It's almost as if a large majority happens to have a preference or something.Actually he was pretty damn explicit. Feet is a focus because it happens to be the most popular focus for tickling. Its as simple as that. You can't force people to commission artists to draw content that doesn't interest them.
As has already been said, if you want to see stuff that caters to your preferences, either commission or draw it yourself.
2728d0 No.3166
>>3152There is a lot of foot tickling in the West likely due to people with foot fetish, such as myself, discovering tickling as another way of interacting with feet, in a more dominating fashion nonetheless that isn't on the same level as something like bastinado. It's relatively easy to find neutral or submissive focused foot fetish content, not so much dominant.
You also have the fact that, in general feet are stereotyped as a popular tickling spot.
e84614 No.3246
Welp,Alliepurr is leaving the tickling community. This is a sad time.
3d762d No.3247
>>3246Well, it's least it's a "It's becoming easier to connect this and irl and I don't want to be humiliated" scenario instead of some psycho actually digging up her shit and having her flee out of fear. Bids well for a return later down the line.
e84614 No.3250
>>3247True, on the plus side. She ,left her email. So, you can still comission/contact her. So,It is not like everyone drove her apeshit.
026b0b No.3275
>>3246>>3247They ALWAYS come back….
42d5a8 No.3288
>OZZY…GET YOUR SHIT TOGETHER.
Holy shit are you right on that.
I bought The Great Tickle Tournament last night and holy fucking shit man.
And for those that are wondering, the only ones that get tickle tortured for more than 1 frame is Yoly and Anabelle. If I wanted to just see those two tickled, I'd read a fucking Yoly comic, not a crossover.
Seriously, the best page is the free sample of Maggs on the MTJ website.
3d762d No.3290
Didn't "mainstream" Yenny still have a looooooooooot of tickling in it and it was never really 'outed' as a fetish comics at any point? How the hell did that happen?
d3e66d No.3292
>>3290Well…I mean tickling is still considered a funny/silly activity in the context of the mainstream, we're the only ones who see it as anything more than that. In the context of this comic, a pretty girl getting tickled all the time like that would be seen more as "cute". However I wouldn't be surprised if a few trolls went out of their way to expose its fetishy origins.
f35da9 No.3405
>>3275This. Every single one of them. Firefox went away forever and came back. TickleFanatic went away forever and came back (twice!). Sassy/Quinton went away forever and came back….
You idiots keep feeling sad and giving attention to attitudes that don't deserve it. Just let them cool their steam for a while, acting like the Second Coming just died only makes it worse.
59b84b No.3407
>>3405Speaking of Ticklefanatic/Tickletorturefever/Firtastic/Jaden/Andrew, appears like he's gone again.
I mean it's only been a month but with him I'm not super sure he'll be coming back until next year or some shit
b4eab0 No.3413
Everything illionore churns out looks like it was done in MS paint.
b3ae20 No.3416
>>3405To be fair, I'm not sure Firefox actually left entirely so much as he moved over to Tickletheater and then the TMF after the former went down.
64f3c7 No.3427
>>2969I took commissions for awhile. People only ever ask for stocks pics or sole shots, fucking nothing else.
a96751 No.3432
>>3032>This so much. Tickle art is so boring nowadays. :( All stocks and tentacles and floating feathers.This. This is why I dont draw very much tickling these days, because of the same ways people want to tickle someone else. Nowadays, and I'm speaking from my opinion, the only original and creative tickle artist out there is Footpaws. His art includes unique perspectives and creative bondage techniques. Its a shame he hasnt made anything recently.
As to my charatcers, I don't redesign Q's girls and I'm certainly not on his dick as you put it. Sure I get inspired by some of his art, but things also pop into my head. I am thinking about redesigning some of my girls to give them a more original look. Abriika was created after seeing Q draw Shadow weaver and she started off with a greenish robe to almost look like her, but eventually I changed her design to what it is now. I'm thinking about doing the same to my other ocs too. But still, nowadays all I stick to are foot focus POV pics. I still like to draw tickling but my imagination isnt as strong as you guys otherwise I'd still stick to drawing stocks floating feathers and ghost hands. So it might be easier to just stick with girls like Sebrina, Abriika and my new wolf girl, Chloe. It's hard to keep up in the tickle community sometimes. I should just give the Haa art a tad rest for a while. It's be great to start tickling humans as well, I have my eye on a few I desire to tickle.
Though there are people out there who complete copy anything I made and make it as their own too.
e84614 No.3444
>>3432If everyone is so damn, bored of tickling art because of the lack of original stuff. I could just dump a load of unfinished pictures (uncolored) here and see what happens.
64f3c7 No.3447
2a7125 No.3448
>>3444Might be a good idea. I might do the same.
As far as the "no original tickling pics" mindset, I have three points to make on the subject.
1. Eventually you'll start to reinvent the wheel.
As several posters here have pointed out, there's only so many ways to tickle someone. Yeah there are a lot of tools to be used, but eventually you reach your limit. Sadly I think we've reached a point where just about every tool that could be possibly used to tickle someone has been used at least once. Same with poses/devices/settings and so on. So if you want *truly* original stuff, then you have to be pretty outlandish.
Take for example this pic which I got done for Project XX. It may not be clear at first but the victim is actually being tickled by LASER BEAMS. Frickin laser beams! So yeah if you really want originality in terms of actual tools, then this is the extent you're probably going to have to go to.
Also in regards to footpaws, while I don't want to be disrespectful, he hasn't really done a whole lot of "new" stuff when it comes to poses or situations. A lot of the stuff that he's done has been seen before, just not in furry pics so it feels new.
Not to mention that half the times the ideas are from a commissioner, and not the artist.
Which brings me to my next point:
2. Imagination is limited by practicality.
Drawing pictures is not hard. Drawing pictures that actually look good *is.* And as the Joker said, "If you're good at something, never do it for free."
The majority of us don't just have an artist on hand that you can just call up and tell them to draw you whatever you want for nothing (the fact that I kinda-sorta do is amazing to me). As a result, a lot of us have to pay money to get pictures.
And I agree that the really complex and outlandish tickle pics are a *lot* of fun. But they can also cost a *lot* of money.
When people commission an image of their char or some other char in stocks, it may not be because they lack imagination. It may be because they lack *money.*
I have a lot of complex tickle ideas in my head. And every time I've tried to commission them, one of the following things happen:
1. The picture ends up costing an arm and a leg.
2. The picture is too complex for the artist, and they say "fuck this, I'm not doing it, you need to come up with something else."
And yes, I've had BOTH of those things happen to me.
Trust me, if I could I would have every picture I get be of like 4-5 people getting an intense tickle torture. But few artists would be willing to draw that. And the ones that would will charge through the nose.
Sometimes some ideas are just too complex and/or expensive to be put on paper. That sucks, but that's the reality of the situation.
But sometimes, people like to stick with what works.
2a7125 No.3449
>>3448Which leads me to my third point.
3. Sometimes the old ways are the best ways.
For the past year now people have bitched at me because my commissions are "always the same." Y'know some furre strapped to an x frame and tickled silly. And I agree, I need some variety, that's why I made that earlier post.
But what's interesting to me is that of all the people that complain to me about my pics, is that no one apparently has thought that the reason my pics have similar themes/devices/poses/victims/etc is because *this is what I LIKE.*
When it comes down to it, people are going to commission what they like. Someone gets off to a anime chick tickled in stocks? That's what they're going to pay for. Based on experience, very few people who get tickle commissions actually ask their own fans what they'd like to see (and in my own case, based on the polls I've done, the tastes of my own "fans" are pretty similar to mine).
This is why attitudes like "why don't commissioners have any original ideas" really do annoy me. These people are commissioning artists to draw what *they* want to see, not what *you* want to see.
In relation, there seems to be people that are annoyed when a certain person gets a commission. I mean, are they not allowed to get a commission? Is there some kind of a rule that says certain people are not allowed to commission certain pics from certain artists?
I mean if the artist has limited slots, I get the frustration, especially if they buy up multiple slots. But even so, that's an *incredibly* selfish attitude to have. I mean, this person paid for the artist to draw them stuff with their own cash. Who are we to blast them for spending their hard earned dollars?
I dunno, maybe I'm just old fashioned, but I don't think it's right for me to blast a person for a commission that for all I know they had to work a triple shift at fuckin Walmart or something to pay off just because the pic isn't what *I* want to see.
So yeah, to people that have this attitude, I can only suggest two courses of action.
1. Learn how to draw yourself.
2. Commission artists yourself.
On a related note, suggesting ideas to a commissioner is okay, but understand that at the end of the day, unless *ou* are paying for the pic, *they* and the artist make the call on what gets drawn.
Me? I love hearing ideas from my fans about what I should commission. Frankly because I'm running out of them these days. I love hearing suggestions about poses, victims, tools, etc. Again, this is why I started polling people.
But at the end of the day, this is my money I'm spending. So unless you pay me to commission someone, I'm going to be the one footing the bill, and thus making the deicions. And if my likes and desires do not match up with yours, so be it.
And nagging me to change it won't make a difference.
This is why I like to get pictures with the victims bound spread eagle, tickled by machines or ghost hands, getting tickle stripped, having close ups on certain spots, and even being painted pink. These are the things I like to see in pictures.
This is also why I probably won't getting pics of any "Haa" chars. Like I said above, I'm not really a fan of the concept of Haa. It's an interesting setting, but it's not for me. Conversely few, if any, of the chars really tickle my fancy (pun intended). The only one I really like is Elle, and that's mainly because I helped create her. Don't get me wrong, a lot of the chars are really nice, but they're just not for me. And honestly? No amount of prodding me to get art of them is going to change that (lookin at you Zach).
So yeah. I really didn't mean to rant here, I just thought I'd give my own two cents on why a lot of tickle art doesn't feel "new." And also, like I said, the attitude that commissioners are to blame somehow really annoys me.
Again, I totally agree with the notion that my pics are too "samey", and I'm going to try to mix it up. But at the end of the day, I'm still mainly going to commission what *I* want to see.
And if your likes happen to coincide with mine? Great.
If not? Well, all I can say is either fine someone who gets pics more your style, or start commissioning yourself.
013f6f No.3451
>>3448>As several posters here have pointed out, there's only so many ways to tickle someone. >Yeah there are a lot of tools to be used, but eventually you reach your limit. Sadly I think we've reached a point where just about every tool that could be possibly used to tickle someone has been used at least onceI've been looking at some Chinese/Japanese videos that primarily deal with foot tickling and one thing I've seen used a lot is toothpicks, I'm assuming do to a connection of sorts with acupuncture. It's certainly a tool I'm going to keep in mind.
As someone who was one of the first to complain about the lack of originality, I have to admit that you made some good points in both of your posts. Some I've heard before from other people before and others that I myself have perhaps come to think of in some ways. I must also admit that after reading both of your posts I've come to think that maybe some of my complaints are in retrospect at the least a tad silly.
ac78eb No.3459
Most of the lack of "originality" with tickling pictures, in my opinion, is that by the end of the day the picture is still focusing on the feet. It's always about the fucking feet. Most spots, if any, that are being tickled are usually glossed over and most of the detail is spent on the feet. I'm aware that 99% of commisioners and artists are foot fetishists and they have every right to pay for or draw art they want to see as Helios stated earlier, but if you REALLY cared about making a more "unique" tickling picture, the first thing you'd do is start making the main focus on other parts of the body. Design the pose and maybe even character (name someone's tickling OC that doesn't have hyper ticklish feet. name one.) around that part being the most exposed and getting the most attention, or even multiple spots. Also, phase out feathers, they don't even actually tickle aside from maybe 2-3 spots, they're in almost every single fucking picture ever made, and they're just a lazy way to get out of drawing hands. Do tentacles or brushes instead if you still want to get around it.
That's my two cents on how to "fix" this problem. And I also really don't even know how this conversation even started, I don't see inflation fetishists whining about air pumps or hypnosis fetishists complaining about Kaa in every single picture ever. If someone's being tickled, they're being tickled. Christ.
2a7125 No.3462
>>3451Just keep in mind that there's a difference between offering constructive criticism and, for lack of a better term, straight up nagging or bitching. Constructive criticism is telling someone how they can do something better the way *they* want, not how *you* want.
>>3459I tend to agree, which is why my pics focus on torso tickling mostly. I don't have a foot fetish at all, but I do recognize that feet are a good spot. So when I have feet tickling in my commissions it's mostly because my attitude is "well, I don't want to leave a spot untouched."
As you said, there is a big overlap between foot fetishists and tickle fetishists which is why we see so much of it. Which again goes back to my earlier point that people will generally commission what they like. *We* may not like it, but we're not the ones paying the artist.
Also my friend on Second Life who builds my machines isn't ticklish on her feet *at all* so there's that.
As for feathers? Like I also said, sometimes the old ways are the best ways. As you pointed out, hands can be tough to draw. Tentacles are easier but they can clutter the pic if there's too many of them.
Personally my favorite tools are probably hands and paintbrushes. Paintbrushes because I also like to "paint" my victims. Sadly few, if any, seem to be into bodypaint tickling.
As for how this conversation got started? My guess is that at the end of the day people are just dissatisfied with what they see, and they want to see something better. But I do agree: tickles are tickles.
e84614 No.3466
>>3459Well..Nora,Jack,most lizard kin I write about? Are midsection focused tickllees.
However, they are based on my works which are mainly action adventure fantasy themed.
Which hints of tickle fetish.XD
But, then again. I like midsection tickling. I would rather everyones taste be put in. So,when I do commission their will be foot tickling, but It is mainly about the upper body for me.
>>3462Well, this all got started over this being a "Lets take shots at people who are celebs in the tickle community." Then, someone went on the defense of "Commissioners are the problem".
Somehow thou a transdimissional loop. You explain that no one is really at fault.
Then,someone just flat out says "Maybe If everyone stop commissioning feet."
Personally,I just wish would stop putting character in midifs and not teasing them. It taunts me.
45b773 No.3469
>>3459Why do people who can't feel a certain thing invariably assume that no one can feel that thing? I happen to be feather ticklish almost everywhere, and it's actually rather torturous.
2a7125 No.3470
>>3469Really? Care to put that to the test?
Helios actually prefers to use his own feathers because my fiction holds that phoenix feathers are the most effective kind when used for tickling. So there's my justification.
ac78eb No.3472
>>3469Because every single time without fail I see a real tickling video and the ler uses feathers, they always have to force laughter or it's just like three minutes long of awkwardly loud feather scratching
KSHKSHKKSHKHSKHKSHKSKSHKSH while the lee gives out a giggle once and a while.
Cartoon feathers sometimes can be drawn to look like they'd actually work, I'll admit, but every video I've ever seen suggests otherwise that they do jack shit unless it's on the nipples/puss/inbetween the toes. Not counting the hard part of the feather, I'll admit that works pretty much everywhere.
026b0b No.3475
>>3432Since you're here, I'll just say it; theres nothing "original" regarding an OC thats just an anthro version of a Pokemon. Sebrina is cute…but not original…you just slapped tits and big feet on Arbok…thats it.
Personally I'd focus more on your other actual original characters myself…
74d795 No.3477
I can see this thread has drifted from constructive criticism on certain subjects to "I wish people would stop catering to their own interests and cater to mine instead."
I like how people think that just because theres a lot of one particular thing, that makes it bad and everyone should just drop what they are doing and ignore what they or the people paying them want. I just feel this thread has quickly devolved into people bitching about what they don't like.
4ce684 No.3478
>>3475 I completely agree with you, there is nothing orignal about anthro pokemon. Like sebrina when i first made her, by now she would have been forgotten and not drawn for a long time like my old sceptile oc. but sebrina has created a fandom of people wanting to see more of her because of her big feet or tits or what have you and i enjoy drawing her too. Shes more desired that most of my other girls.
e84614 No.3479
>>3477 Yeah, quite noticeable huh?
a664b1 No.3482
>>3477Possibly because there aren't things that stick out about certain artists for many people or those artists do mostly commission work so it's kind of hard to pin the blame on them.
I'll admit, it's honestly hard for me to pick off the top of my head something that really annoys me about a specific artist's work.
ac78eb No.3483
>>3477We covered most of the well-known artists already and what they're doing wrong (reusing poses, shitty attitudes, character theft, etc.), and the cringe thread is pretty much for making fun of anybody infamous or outright bad. It was kinda inevitable that this would turn into either a "I don't like thing" or "FUCK THIS ARTIST" discussion.
026b0b No.3484
96c077 No.3499
Why do i have the feeling people only create Haa characters and draw them with Quintons characters just to get a gift pic from him? I feel your heading that way zp92. Xora, The Widow, Horncraft? They really are duplicates of Roh, Tsai Lynz and Z'nth. Abriika is fine, shes more orignal, but i feel you created those girls just to get a pic from Quinton. You other girls like Mina or Sabrina are much more fun than forced created OCs.
And not just you, other Haa creators i feel try to also. Thats why i stay out of that stuff, to avoid this. quinton does seem a little cocky because he knows people want a pic from him.
e84614 No.3501
>>3499Never got the feeling from him. But I think he is aware of people wanting stuff from him.
He doesn't have commissions so,50/50. He is gonna draw what he feels like no matter what.
That and he was once the artist for Sassysnake.XD
2a7125 No.3502
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>>3499While I won't discount that as a possible justification, I think that's a little bit of an oversimplification.
First, Zach is a qualified artist in his own right. You may not like his style but the fact is that he can still draw some damn good pics. So in my opinion it would be kind of redundant to try and get Quinton to draw his chars seeing as he could (and has) done it himself.
Second, if people are in fact creating these chars just to get art from Quinton, such an effort would be spectacularly futile. From my conversations I've had with him, he's an incredibly busy man. The fact that he's able to get a decent amount of pics (plus all their alt versions) done in any kind of short timeframe is pretty amazing to me.
Again I'm not discounting what you said as a possible motivation, but I'm willing to believe that the main reason people create Haa chars is because the world of Haa and the characters therein is appealing to them. It's basically the same reason people create OC's for Pokemon, MLP, Steven Universe, or whatever. They want to be a part of that world in some fashion.
And as to why they draw their chars with Quinton's? Probably because they like his chars and they want to see them tickled. Hell this is one of the reasons why Firebird is my most-used victim in my own commissions, I really like seeing her tickled (the other reason being so *she* doesn't have to draw her tickled).
So yeah, I get where you're coming from, but I don't think the majority of Haa chars are created with a selfish intent.
>>3501I was going to mention that when "Sassy" was around he was a lot more open to requests. Hell, the attached pic here was one of the first pieces of art ever done of Helios (and also the only one where his appearance was based off of the AX Phoenix which is what my SL avatar was at the time, and thus he looks considerably different than he does now). There were also a couple pretty blatant cases where someone created a character *just* to get art done by "Sassy" (hell I think in both cases the owners of said chars disappeared from DA shortly after the pics were done).
This is actually the one aspect of the relationship between Quinton and Jessica (if she did exist) that I was always curious about. How tactful was she in regards to telling him what to draw?
If Jessica did exist, I did lose a lot of respect for her when Quinton initially said that she posted his pics without his permission. And if she kept giving him all this art to draw with zero consideration for him, I understand why he eventually stopped drawing.
e84614 No.3504
>>3502>There were also a couple pretty blatant cases where someone created a character *just* to get art done by "Sassy" (hell I think in both cases the owners of said chars disappeared from DA shortly after the pics were done)Sounds like someone was doing some snooping.
If the plot twist turns out Jessica can do fetish art herself, well. It happens.
But, what you are explaining,sounds a lot like someone was spying on him.
The real question is. How would he not know she was posting It? I mean considering all the request. She had to show of ref stuff.
2a7125 No.3516
>>3504I'm really not quite sure where you got the whole "spying" angle from. Let me clarify.
In the big "coming out" journal, Quinton explained that "Jessica" initially posted the tickle pics that he drew without his permission.
>"Jessica started this account alone and submitted my personal fetish drawings without my permission."Apparently this was her way of showing him he wasn't alone. And it went horribly right and the rest is history.
As far as requests went, I have to imagine that he was told about what he had to draw. The point I was trying to make is that there were a couple cases where someone did seem to create an account *just* to get art.
Those two pics are the ones attached here. A tickle pic featuring the fursona of the rather blatantly named "sassyfan", and a character design for "ticklemepheonix" (I was a little disappointed that the char was not, in fact, a phoenix, but at the same time that cobra gal is hella cute).
After both of these pics were posted, both sassyfan and ticklemepheonix dropped off the face of the Earth.
You decide how suspicious that seems.
e84614 No.3517
>>3516That is what I'm curios. Like, that does not seem odd to you? Even a tad, that. Not implying someone was spying but, could be.
Which leads to the question. If Jessica was real, what was her goal? And did she indeed to get praise for his art or was It something else?
Because, now he is drawing again so to speak.
This is one of the odd stories this community has.
Now, this makes me ask. How much art do you have from the past on your computer?
Hmmmm…
Atleast this story has a ending,unlike ticklishtikal. Who kind of..just dropped off.
2a7125 No.3518
>>3517If you mean art from the Sassysnake account, it's all still there. Just not displayed on the front page.
Art from the past in general? Quite a bit.
And yeah, I loved ticklishtikal. He sketched out a pic for me of Tikal's ultimate torture, and he was a super nice guy. Wish I knew what happened to him.
c9152a No.3525
I don't believe for one second that there ever was a girl named Jessica. Like so many fetish peeps before him, he posed as a female to get more attention and when it had run its course and he wanted to penis, he made up this whole bullshit story to save face.
The story is way too convoluted with too many holes to be true. I'm amazed the entire scam didn't just fall apart around him.
Then again as we've seen time and time again, if you can make decent fap material, most people will be intentionally oblivious and not look into it as much.
3d762d No.3527
>>3525You and me both, I was expecting him to come clean days after the fact it became obvious nobody actually cared.
Not that I give much of a shit either, again, if you can draw I really could care less you wanna pretending to be a girl/have a girl partner that seems to do nothing or contribute anything.
64f3c7 No.3528
>>3525>>3527I think there was, personally. it's convoluted, sure, but it's all the little things that make it seem that much more plausible.
Mostly the stark contrast in personality/change in tastes between the SS and QQ accounts
64f3c7 No.3529
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>>3528.. I mean, could you see QQ willingly draw something like this today?
3d762d No.3530
>>3529DICKHEAD TIME I can't imagine many people willingly drawing that.
sorry as far as Yoshi tickling goes that's pretty nicely done e84614 No.3546
>>3528Don't know. All, I know is a few people got the meno before everyone else did. So, you would have to ask the people who got It.
From Helsio's story. It sounds like a case of,either
A.Someone made fake accounts (The two pictures) just to get proof of something. Which caused the ordeal to start.
Which means Either QQ knew and pulled a fast one on Jessica (If she was real). Or Someone found his work and wanted to pull a fast one on him.
Or a third I can not think of,because those ocs are like,way too clearly designed to be a generic as one could make them. (as far a lizard folk go)
Their is a B. And the B is. Well, I'm not sure. Lost my train of thought.
25ceab No.3550
I really like what LostOneZero does, i think he is one of the best when it comes to "manga style"…but am i the only one wishing he would venture into more kinky and explicit territories ? You know, kind of like Kidetic or Briel ? (to stay in the "manga style" category)
LOZ has very cute and appealing characters with nice designs and well-established personalities (for fetish-comics standards, i mean) but i find that a bit frustrating the way he is into bondage, DiD, MILF, orcs, elfs, catgirls, cosplay, tall girls, lesbian innuendos and all that stuff while remaining a bit too squeaky clean.
I mean, gimme more pieces of green orcish meat, wouldya ?
It looks like he is not experimenting that many tickling situations, lately. Perhaps it's just me but i fear LOZ might get somewhat stale if doesn't step up his game very soon.
It might be possible to keep his usual humor and
lightheartedness while trying to do some riskier artworks, don't you think ?
Also, i think most of time, anthro artists are more kinky, excentric, creative and explicit when it comes to tickling than most regular artists. They seem to be less afraid to try some hardcore ideas. More regular artists should try to match that kind of erotic creativity.
(sorry if my english is incorrect, i'm a foreigner)
2a7125 No.3553
>>3550I get what you're saying and I tend to agree.
If there's a really good tickle artist out there and they do mostly "clean" work, the probability of people asking them to do more "adult" stuff gradually approaches 1. Why? Well there's a variety of reasons but I think the biggest is that Rule34 is inescapable.
I admit I had my own problems with this. For a while I kinda sorta tried to persuade Firebird into drawing more "adult" tickle art (she has done adult works in the past, but for a variety of reasons these are no longer posted online). I suggested some ideas to her and she did seem intrigued by them, but in the end doing adult tickling work was just not her style so nothing has ever come to fruition.
Of course when I found out that even though *she* doesn't draw naughty tickles she doesn't always mind when *someone else* draws them happening to Firebird, that took care of that problem. (I still run my ideas by her first though, just to get her approval because her willingness to have naughty things happen to her OC's understandably varies).
It's a real tough situation because you can't really go up to an artist and say "hey I'd really like it if you drew your OC tickled naked" or something like that, as that kind of behavior is generally frowned upon.
I guess all I can say is be happy with what you do get from them, especially if it's high quality work.
d96c41 No.3557
>>3550As someone who doesn't see nudity or sexual tickling as the be-all and end-all, I'm quite glad that LOZ has not gone down that route, since that usually seems to a be a road of no return, and instead has focused on what he likes best, even if I may not be interested in all of it or wish he would perhaps do more sadistic/non-consensual scenarios or focus on certain foot fetish aspects.
64f3c7 No.3566
>>3557same, a lot of artists just seem to default to that in the end, getting sexual to the point where you don't even see the tickling anymore, they're just getting fucked
Whats worse is when they default to just drawing all their characters nude all the time and can't even draw different body types, at that point everything they do looks the same
74d795 No.3581
>>3566I think you just summed up Zp up in a nutshell with that.
e84614 No.3582
>>3550>>3553>>3557It is a artist choice what he chooses to do. I would rather he keep It as It is. And maybe use less bondage. But, I am ok with this.
It is the Reason I read the books I read from Pubs and not Agent.
Because because It becomes less about the characters and becomes ten hours of moaning..which is whack as shit yall.
I can say this because I can't tell I single Agent character apart.
a96751 No.3583
>>3581its true. Tickling art isn't fun for me as it was when i first started back in 2008.
And I do draw clothed characters a lot to, not just nude. Whats more, I DO have an FA where I draw more muscular and fat body types, not just one, so you're partially correct
a96751 No.3585
I can safely say that many artist pictures I see, seem to have forced ideas. Some characters have been put in situations that seem like they were pulled out of the artists ass, that make no since at all. My only advise to artists is to let ideas come to you naturally, you may see a game, or a story or even a television commercial that may spark a truly original idea in your head.
6c7c0a No.3587
>>3585Ugh. This so much.
It's really hard for me to come up with ideas these days that haven't been done a million times before. I still get some enjoyment out of the lab ideas (as I'm a big technophile) but even that's starting to get old.
e84614 No.3591
>>3587Not to seem blunt. But is tickling ever not forced.
Their are many shows where tickling does not make a lick of sense.
That turtle show
digimon frontier.
The list goes on.
Their is no way tickling does not seem force.
But,then again. Tickle torment Itself does not make sense.
But let us be frank. WHO CARES?
The whole point is for us to draw or have people draw what we find attractive.
No different then drawing god damn woman on walls or having the random gay dude in a show or god help you, the dime of dozen parody episode every show has.
Other then we get off to It.XD
Hell, you can have robots tickling people to learn how sense work. You don't have to. But It is there.
Tickling to force someone to sign a treaty.
Or hell, converting a character.
Really, when you get down to It you are limited by what you want to do.XD
And I just happen to find the 3 things I talked about sexy.
ac6471 No.3636
>>3585A lot of this may come down to commissions. Personally I take a sort of joy in coming up with a somewhat plausible reason for why the tickling is occurring, but it can still also be frustrating at times, particularly when there is a character or characters you'd like to see tickled, but the setting or the characters themselves just don't work for it. In cases like that I could see why certain people may just say fuck it and leave the plausibility of the idea by the wayside in favor of the ultimate goal of seeing a character or characters tickled.
835dca No.3706
http://www.deviantart.com/journal/Clementine-kinky-drawing-522691968Just, wow.
20$ for a Drawing.. This is just, wow.
He isn't a bad guy but i think he have some thing to learn about business.
2ec6b8 No.3708
>>3591ehh… if you want stuff to make a remote amount of sense when it comes to resorting to tickle torture, I kind of already wrote something in my own story to kind of justify its usage.
Say a villain has an important character captured and needs to be interrogated… They intend to release them after they get what they want to know and they're too valuable to harm, so all the brutal and painful torture methods are out of the question. At the same time, you don't want to psychologically scar them either, so waterboarding is definitely not on the menu.
What do you have left that could get them to talk while not hurting them? Tickle the crap out of them, surely they'll break within minutes begging to tell you what you want to know.
It's ridiculous and borderline comedic, but can be surprisingly effective without resorting to mangling them.
748593 No.3722
>>3706It's not a bad picture of Clemetine, though personally couldn't see paying $20 to see the conclusion.
As for business, I'm not so sure. $20 seems relatively par for this type of fetish art. If boards like this were a lot more widespread I'd say it would possibly be a poor decision, since as far as I'm aware there isn't much he could do if someone payed the $20 and then decided to play people's hero by posting it everywhere.
694b41 No.3735
>>3706Wait… I thought you pay for commission of pictures you wanted done, not pay an artist cause he wanted to doodle something for himself
3d762d No.4269
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You know credit where it's due, Nancie seems to have actually gotten her shit together.
9f23f0 No.4278
>>2939Maybe a bit late for this, but you don't need to do one to one comparisons. Velly and Ozzy are the same person. Not only do their art styles match up, but Ozzy and Velly both were fucking awful with getting their shit out in a timely manner, to the point where dude screwed up big time with commissioners to the point where you don't see 'Velly' anymore.
Heard this from a very close source. Yoly kinda sucks, and it's amazing to see the quality of dudes art having slipped from where it was a decade ago.
3d762d No.4279
>>4278How do people think they're NOT the same guy? Not being a smartass, it couldn't be any more obvious if he put a "Dedicated to the gone but not forgotten Ozzy ;)" in the description of everything he drew.
9f23f0 No.4280
>>4279That's a good question.
I never, personally, cared whether they were the same or not, so it wasn't much of a consideration. But it's definitely undeniable. I just know people he is working with, project wise, are used to his general flakiness, taking money and no delivering for months, maybe even close to over a year at this point.
It just sucks that his art has regressed and he cuts corners like he does now. You could see the passion and the care he put into his designs, his characters, his settings. Practically everything Yenny was fresh and vibrant. But since he's "come back"? Nowhere near the level of care.
Dude gets by on reputation of what he was, not what he is. I'm still a sucker though, his early shit was great. No Mercy was definitely dude's apex.
a24e54 No.4911
As a suggestion to most of you guys, if you're bored of tickle art and the way it's going, or you don't like the way an artist's art looks, then don't spend the time talking about it here on a board that most of the artists haven't even heard about and will probably never see. Go to those artists and suggest some ideas, tell them what you're thinking, give truthful commentary instead of "good job" or "nice work" on their pics. Make an active contribution for change. Complaining about it here does nothing to solve the issue, and only makes it worse over time. The artists can't improve their craft or the quality of the tickling art community if the issues aren't brought to their attention. They'll just continue to do what they always do, because few people are speaking up.
b090be No.4912
>>4911
>give truthful commentary instead of "good job" or "nice work" on their pics
Honestly this one does hit home, there have been quite a few times where I thought something was off on a picture or thought that overall it was kind of bland, but kept quiet and only focused on what I have liked about the piece so as not to give offense.
Stuff like content though I feel like to an extent I don't have the right to say anything about since I'm not paying them to draw.
2a2836 No.5536
324bea No.5540
>>4912
It varies from artist to artist, but if you commented a flaw on a work I did I would consider this as positive feedback. Maybe even appreciate that more than you telling me the best parts of it. That would mean there's place for improvement.
But again, that depends from each person. My suggestion is to try to do that as most polite as possile, and after that repeat or not depening on their reaction.
8c8320 No.5555
>>5540
Not knowing how an artist will react really is the tricky part, especially if you're anxious and would like to remain on at least neutral terms with said artist. Your suggestion however is one I'll try to keep in mind, at least for the artists I think I've a better understanding of.
671f24 No.5615
This has probably been touched on on the past, but I still find it baffling that someone can pay good money to an artist, just to have them draw the same picture that they had someone else draw.
3d762d No.5616
>>5615
Talking about artists reusing the same positions, or people asking for the same exact thing from different artists?
7dd212 No.5617
>>5615
I won't denny that most of the time I use pictures and photos as references for my drawings (and I usually give credit for it) but this is going a bit too much I think…
671f24 No.5619
>>5616
Yeah, the second one. Commissioners who are pretty much just asking someone else to draw the same picture.
d64e92 No.5648
>>5619
It is what it is, some people just want instant gratification and have the means to obtain it with no consideration.
3d762d No.5679
I tell you CEFlex/NoPromo sure needs to kick his shit into gear, paid for paid about a year ago from that schmuck only to see him "almost finished with it" twice, hear nothing for months, and then take new commissions. And after finally getting the fuckers attention after god knows how long, he's now not sure whether or not I paid him.
Which probably wouldn't happened had he not just bailed for months on end a few times.
Dude's pretty good but goddamn these pictures better be absolute god tier for all this hassle.
e84614 No.5683
>>5679
Wtfeather had a similar problem. Don't know if eh still does.
Sometime I just wish artist would take 5 to 3 and not overdue It. But, even then work sometimes get unfinished. Understand life and all. But, I know a artist with a hand problem who gets stuff done faster,.
3d762d No.5684
>>5683
CefPromo apparently went through a mental breakdown or something and just up and left everything for a while, and assuming it was irl problems I didn't want to be a dick about it, but when you're all better go work o the shit you've already been paid for. That's still real life money I had to work an actual job for to hand over, don't jerk me around.
3d762d No.6302
NoPromo gets paid a year ago, doesn't deliver, is reminded politely months after taking the payment, still doesn't deliver, keeps taking commission going on a year after taking payment, is asked "Hey homeboy how about finishing what you've been paid for a year ago?" in a now deleted journal hunting for more commission work, rage-deletes the journal, and sends this passive aggressive horseshit.
I don't like getting in DA pissing contests but mother of god the way he's reacted to taking money and delivering nothing for a year as though he's being attacked out of nowhere is legitimately maddening.
3d762d No.6303
Dumping the entire correspondence because I personally feel i was more than cooperative, maybe some of you will have a different opinion.
b86ba9 No.6305
>>6302
This rattles me bones.
3d762d No.6306
>>6305
I asked him just to give the money back, not convinced he's actually going to give it, but I've been patient enough for about a year now. First it was finished and he just kind of forgot whose it was, then he's "just finishing it up", NOW he's just getting around to it? What the shit.
9f23f0 No.6307
>>6306
The fact that they want to say that about PayPal processing when you can legitimately pull up a transaction record is fucking hilarious. This isn't receipts for the tax man, the site keeps a log of all this stuff.
Artists who pull this shit are garbage, and since they get the money, people have to treat them so delicately so they don't just off and run with it.
64f3c7 No.6510
I feel like chesh has stopped caring
the cell shading and thick, black, untapered lines just feel lazy
It feels like he puts more effort in his nightmare fuel manips
Like I understand you're a busy guy, you have a wife and kid, etc, but it feels like you're just going through the motions on these drawings, like you don't even really want to draw them
3d762d No.6511
>>6510
A while back me and some of the "big name" DA guys got together to collaborate on an RPG, just sat around in a Skype room and kicked ideas and stuff back and forth, and a few times he would mention he preferred the manip stuff to the art by far. I wouldn't go so far as to say he's 'forcing' the drawings, but I think he enjoys the comparable freshness of the creepy shit.
Last I actually talked to him he was getting a loooooot of hours at a new job where he was making quite a bit more an hour, so I'd imagine that his art as a whole isn't nearly the priority it once was.
5beb93 No.6518
>>6510
I can say that guy wants to draw them, it's just that the end game is how much he can make to supplement his income, something I would do in his shoes as well. It's about who pays to do what. The manipulations are simply fun things done on the side; they engage and make it so his degree skills don't get rusty.
But as for the actual, like, quality of work and that? I don't see that shit at all. I think a lot of his work pops and is really well done. Acting like he is mailing it in when people clamor for poser art and some of the shit on here is LOL.
3d762d No.6549
Been a week, no refund, blocked from communicating. Anyone wanna say something?
e84614 No.6550
>>6549
And this is why I rarily commission anyone who is high tier in the tickling community now in days. And stick to people who rarily get commissioned or know thier limits.
3d762d No.6551
>>6550
Truth be told I'd considered him a (very good, mind you) mid tier. Not quite that upper level. And paid for 3 commissions upfront and gave the guy a year to do something with them with the hopes he'd pull through.
Like >>5679 is probably my favorite tickle pic in a long time, I like nearly everything about it, but it's not like the dude was a "Come out of nowhere and blew everyone away with his talent" like Kidetic.
Who I HAVE commissioned before and DID deliver in a timely manner. Despite having at the time been known for being 'picky and douchey' in regards to his commission work.
3d762d No.6563
File: 1434727329768.jpg (1015.48 KB, 1858x1314, 929:657, it_s_a__mad_love__kinda_th….jpg)

I did the no-no thing and took my personal beef public via a DA journal. As a result this'll be the last I talk about it on here so as to avoid annoying everyone with my fetish feud like a TMFer. However if you're interested in my goings on;
http://gardenerjames99.deviantart.com/journal/Burned-on-some-commissions-warning-the-masses-540687140
cb92c3 No.6566
>>6563
and it's stuff like this why I've taken a habit of scheduling private/public art streams so the client can watch their art getting done. Once they see it's done, they pay so I can send them the full resolution.
If they try to weasel out of paying, I can withhold the image, keep the sketch and turn it into a YCH or do something else with it with my own characters so the work isn't a complete waste.
I've grown to hate taking payment in advance because I potentially end up forgetting who already paid and by having the money already, I develop guilt the longer I take to deliver what they paid for.
But that's my current general process on doing things after doing commissions for so long… so far it's been working well.
64f3c7 No.6572
>>6551
you know what? fuck it
I use to respect his wishes of not touching his art, but if he's gonna burn peoples asses like this..
post his uncolored work in here. I'll do a better job at it than he will. And for free.
3d762d No.6575
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>>6572
Ain't no furfag, but curious to see what you can do with this.
64f3c7 No.6581
>>6575
oh, sure, give me the most clusterfuck one with the most characters
I'll see what I can do
3d762d No.6583
>>6581
>oh, sure, give me the most clusterfuck one with the most characters
e84614 No.6586
>>6566
You know It is almost a running gag by this point when you can tell what a person is spending their money on by the simple of fact of how they work and the top speed.
People, who actually live off commissions to a point work really,hard to get them done fast.
People,who don't live on them.Work slower.
Which is fine.
However, I think we get to a point where "I have a life." Slowly turns into "Fuck you nerd. I don't have to be your art monkey no more."
And I think that is where problems start to get summoned and the "Us vs them" starts boiling up.
Their is a odd irony however. That the people who no longer need salvation thou commission tend to have larger prices and tend to be the first to summon a defense when people called them out for bad work eritic.
Their is also a comedy to assume the people who pay you to do the art don't have a life. And that is a feeling get a lot of the time. (Even,in moding, and so on) Of this weird Ryan elitist smell.
And once again. I tell them I took business and they still chew me out.
cb92c3 No.6588
>>6586
it's not hard to realize when it comes to money and being paid to do something, you're kinda obligated to follow through with what you agreed to be paid for.
busy or not, if the client's patience runs out, the least you can do is to refund the money given if to at least save face and not risk your reputation getting ruined as being an untrustworthy artist.
There's a community within the furry fandom (which I feel might be beneficial to spread out to other fandoms with artists who take commissions) called Artists Beware, which warn which artists you should be apprehensive to do business with if they treated any of their clients badly http://artists-beware.livejournal.com/
4bf08a No.6633
>>6583
Speaking of getting your shit together, James I saw your post on that little wanna-be crusader "MrCleans" page. I get the guy is a bit of an asshole, but how you went after him was just shameful and utterly disgusting. Calling him out for having "autism" just cause the guy's a prat is just shameful and downright disgusting! We're not 4chan, we should be handling these things in a civilized and respectful manner, not going out and insulting people with a dis-ability by comparing them to some asshole like that.
For shame! I thought better of you!
3d762d No.6634
>>6633
Yeah, fair enough. I'll stop.
4bf08a No.6635
>>6634
Good man! It's alright voicing your opinion towards him, just try to be more tasteful and respectful when doing it. Otherwise you just give guys like him fuel for their little crusages
0753b2 No.11404
Okay can we talk about this? Most people regard WTFeather as close to a top tier artist but this shit is just lazy. All the details here have been copy/pasted with the exact same faces, hands, feet, poses, just with a few minor details altered. Worse is he's used a lot of these same duplicated details in other art…like he has an archive of pretty rendered clip art he just slaps together.
791929 No.11409
>>11404
I've noticed this forever.
He's one of the laziest artists out there, I'm amazed people commision him at all.
5c72b9 No.11410
>>11409
He was not always like this
These are pictures he did for me years ago.
I do not know what happened..But It happened.
5c72b9 No.11411
>>11410
It is weirder when you consider I paid with those with points (DA dollars),but as soon as he started getting real money how he preformed changed greatly.
3d762d No.11412
WTFeather started off/is primarily a furry artist though, right? Seems like he mostly does Manimals and wanted to branch out into people, but still wants to be mostly a furry guy so kind of figured out how to do human anatomy in a very basic way and just does the same thing over and over.
accab9 No.11420
>>11404
WTFeather draws well enough, especially in the foot department, but I too have noticed a lot of their art repeating itself in a few areas.
178bf3 No.11421
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>>11404
While there are a lot that're basically copy/pasted, not ALL of them are. Hell, maybe a lot of the commissions he gets are just like "pls tickle X character" without any real specifications, and that's his go-to thing.
accab9 No.11423
>>11421
>Hell, maybe a lot of the commissions he gets are just like "pls tickle X character" without any real specifications
Wouldn't surprise me
820d2e No.11424
>>11404
>>11410
>>11423
Similar to Umojar, a deluge of uninspiring, pedestrian commissions results in the stagnation of another decent artist.
9f23f0 No.11426
>>11421
Now this is the good shit.
Where has this been, waiting to come out?
178bf3 No.11428
>>11426
He posted it on his tumblr. I think it was posted a day or two ago, and he said it'd be done soon.
5100a9 No.11469
>>11424
Fetish wise at least. Not sure I'd really say Umojar has stagnated as far as non-fetish art goes.
3d762d No.12057
I end up vindicated; NoPromo/CEFlex/whatever the fuck his name was apparently bailed with peoples money.
http://jonantk.deviantart.com/
According to archive one of the last comments he got was, you guess it, not delivering content he'd been paid for way in advance!
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:FckOYtCz3X4J:jonantk.deviantart.com/+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us
I wish I had saved those bullshit "I'm being taken advantage of by greedy commissioners!" journals he made after I put him on blast, the dude had to have gotten away with a couple hundred dollars from a lot of people.
5c72b9 No.12059
>>12057
And this is why i commission people only after I see they have done commissions in a timely matter and actually close them.
If you have a paypal and that is hwo you paid him. You could find his email or whatever is needed and well..I am not saying blacklist his ass via paypal.but..
That being said, it is a running gag by this point that people who pull the "But comissioners" card, tend to act like dead beats.
da1473 No.12489
>>11420
>WTFeather draws well enough, especially in the foot department
What the fuck no.
His toes are gigantic and the proportions are bad, they should not look like that.
a7105a No.12504
>>12489
Eh, they look all right to me, never said they were my favorite.
9b553b No.12516
>>12483
James, you obviously have the wrong guy! /s
Did you ever actually get any commissions from him?
3d762d No.12522
>>12516
No, tho crazy enough the first time I exposed him someone else refunded me on his behalf. Still, I'm sure he made off with well over a few hundred dollars from people.
7fe356 No.12545
>>3550
>Personally I'm fine with LOZ keeping it clean. I mean, I certainly don't mind some kinky stuff, but when I buy tickle porn I expect to see some tickling.
>In fact, my main concern with LOZ is that the tickling often feels like an afterthought in his work. Like, you'll see some vines in the approximate vicinity of some girl's belly or armpit and you assume that it's tickling her because she's smiling, but there never seems to be any cases of real tickle torture going on. Sometimes it's implied to be going on off screen but when we get to watch the action it never seems to be any worse than a couple of magical feathers teasing the girls' skin.
Given how much he is into the damsels being in distress you'd think he'd put more effort into making the situations his characters find themselves in more, y'know, distressful.
30c2e2 No.12547
>>12545
Technically DiD can encompass a lot of things, from what I've seen the people who actually go for life threatening situations are a niche. Can't recall how the rest breaks down between people content with a girl just being tied up and a girl tied up with the insinuation that something bad is going to happen.
LOZ definitely seems to fall on the lighter side of things where he likes bondage, but nothing much darker. So as far as tickling is concerned he is never going to go full torture.
7fe356 No.13081
>>12547
Yeah, I know and understand that LoZ isn't all that into heavier stuff, but I'm still always rather dissapointed when I buy a comic of his that has been advertised as containing tickle fetishism and then it always feels like the tickling is an afterthought.
But really, what all this stems from is that I think that LoZ all in all does a great job and that he has some really hot tickle victims in his roster, but it almost never ever seems to end up as good as it could have been. Syrielle, for example, is one of my personal favorite tickle torture victims of all time and yet it seems that she almost never gets it, and when she does it always never seems to be for more than a two or three panels in the entire issue. Issue 7 had a bit more than that, but that was also advertised as a Syrielle issue, and sure there are some number of panels where she is getting tickled, but the number where she's actually acting like it tickles and isn't just annoying is far less than that.
598958 No.13086
>>13081
>Yeah, I know and understand that LoZ isn't all that into heavier stuff, but I'm still always rather dissapointed when I buy a comic of his that has been advertised as containing tickle fetishism and then it always feels like the tickling is an afterthought.
That's the problem with Kidetic, as well. These are artistic vanity projects and the artists aren't really thinking about an audience they are catering to as much as art they want to create. Agencies was notorious for this. He added all kinds of weird shit that he personally wanted to explore, but that generally detracted from the overall book.
299691 No.13114
>>13081
Probably because tickling is sort of an afterthought to LOZ in the grand scheme of things. Just from looking at who he associates with and talking to people, his focuses are mainly on DiD and feet, particularly of the stocking variety. He technically does say on the about page of Fantasy Frontier that it's both a DiD and tickling comic, not just the latter.
Not trying to say that he doesn't care for it at all, more that it's perhaps just an addition for him. That is why I think his tickling pictures where the ticklee isn't gagged sometimes don't turn out so great in the facial department and also why he mainly seems to make use of either fingers or magical feathers.
I've honestly never read Fantasy Frontier beyond the samples, the art books, and the sketchbooks, so I can't personally vouch for how I think it does tickling wise. I think elsewhere LOZ does mostly decent enough with the tickling, but I'll say that technically it's the feet he draws that I'm more interested in than the tickling.
>>13086
This I think may also play a part of sorts. LOZ is selling is stuff for cheap, so he obviously isn't expecting to make a living off of it. I'd assume his intention is to work with his own characters and in the process make a little spending money.
You could of course argue that is actually paying attention to his audience, like I said above, DiD is what he mostly affiliates himself with and I wouldn't be surprised to learn that those who like DiD foremost make up the biggest portion of his customer base.
598958 No.13123
>>13114
This kinda touches on the patreon thread revolving around Chesh. He popped in and mentioned that he'd like to explore one of his less well known creations, but realizes that if he's asking people to fund his art projects he has to offer what people want and not just what he wants to do. The moment money comes into it, an artist has to at least start considering his customers/donors.
7fe356 No.13140
>>13086
Nothin is sadder in this world than a porn writer who loses his grasp of what he is writing. Surely it's easy to lose yourself in the world you have created, especially if the story goes on for a long time, but what makes for an interesting story is rarely, if ever, the same thing that makes dicks hard.
At best you end up porn with a convoluted and meaningless plot that takes up too much space and detracts attention from what people payed to see and at worst you end up with a convulet story that includes a great deal of out of place fetish content.
60adb8 No.13144
>>13086
>These are artistic vanity projects
>an artist making stuff that he wants to do instead of pandering to people is a vanity project
By that logic most all non-commercial art is "vanity projects".
LoZ I've never been a fan of… Similar to what others in this thread have been saying, his work comes off as DiD/light bondage, with tickling just added in as an afterthought. Half the time the characters aren't even laughing, they just have a strained expression, which kills it for me and I'm sure a lot of others. Like why even bother?
And Kidetic? I haven't seen anything of his that was non tickling, bondage, or feet related. I'm not a huge fan of his facial style(he tends to give his females a serious case of monkey face, though recently he's been improving) and his stuff is a little childish for my tastes, but all things considered he's one of the better western artists in this fetish no question.
The thing that a few creators do that grinds my gears is trying to pander to as many fetishes as possible in an attempt at a cash grab and not doing a particularly good job of any of it. MellowTK(or whatever the fuck he calls himself now, he's deleted and remade his accounts I don't know how many times), clearly was largely into tickle stuff from the beginning(and a lot of his early stuff was pretty decent), but later when he started making games he set up a Patreon, and tried to put all these other things into his games, and not even stuff of the fairly benign variety. He put in stuff like vore, futa, etc just to pander to people so they would give him Patreon bucks, and the tickling scenes he did include would be like 3 lines of tickling, and then 100 lines of "monster slime girl mutant dickgirl rape inside a stomach" or something of that nature. I'm not one to judge people based on their sexual preferences at all, but I really don't want to see vore with my ticking. There's a pretty marked line between "tickling somebody and making them laugh", and "eating and digesting someone alive".
299691 No.13145
>>13123
I suppose that thinking has merit if the artist is trying to get by, but as I said I think LOZ is likely doing decently and so he is not really concerned with trying to pander, if he even has to. I've bought all of the sketchbooks LOZ has put out so far and I'd say I'm mostly satisfied on the whole.
>>13144
>and his stuff is a little childish for my tastes
Could you elaborate?
598958 No.13157
>>13144
>By that logic most all non-commercial art is "vanity projects".
Vanity doesn't have to be negative. An artist can do it because he wants to share his work. But if he's doing it for money, then he either has to cater to what his audience wants or he has to accept that he may not have as many sales if he simply produces work that he wants to do. Stay true to your artistic "integrity" or go commercial. It's a choice. Each has it's rewards and it's losses. Rarely do the two intermingle harmoniously.
598958 No.13158
>>13145
>I suppose that thinking has merit if the artist is trying to get by, but as I said I think LOZ is likely doing decently and so he is not really concerned with trying to pander, if he even has to. I've bought all of the sketchbooks LOZ has put out so far and I'd say I'm mostly satisfied on the whole.
And maybe that is that harmonious sweet spot I alluded to in an above post. Some artists can actually be paid to create what they want, because what they create is something that appeals to others. Many artists don't get that luxury because the art they want to create doesn't resonate as much as more commercial ventures they have less interest in.
299691 No.13166
>>13158
That's fair. I think one thing that has probably helped LOZ is that over the years he has managed to create characters that are aesthetically pleasing and perhaps draw on tropes or archtypes that people like. Like I've actually thought from time to time before that it could be cool to see a certain character of his in a scenario, whereas a decent amount of the time other OCs are just kind of boring and I really wish the artist would stuff with a character from something else.
64f3c7 No.13449
Screampunk, listen, I know you gotta eat and everything, but there are much, much easier ways to monetize your work than whatever the hell you're trying to do. Just start taking commissions like a fucking normal fetish artist.
79f5d3 No.13507
>>13449
Man, Fuck Screampunk. He's no longer one of us.
920f84 No.13509
I read like .5% of this absolute encyclopedia of tickling information and complaints. Here are the things I have to say.
-let's just collectively stop using feathers and stocks. IT IS OVER. WE ARE A NEW WORLD.
Let's get some full toe-tied sci-fi stocks and tentacles/brushes… completely fucking up the victim.
Also check out WTFeather's new art. It's pretty good, actually.
And where are my socks. We can do tentacles/brushes on socks right? It still works great, unlike SOME people insisting that it doesn't tickle as much. What are you tickling with, a hair?
Also don't nylons make feet MORE ticklish or something along those lines? How come we don't see art/videos of toe-tied (all ten, motherfucker. Not just the two big toes) nylon shit with brushes. I think that would capture the full insane torture in one image.
And before you say it'd rip them… it wouldn't. I've seen one years ago where all ten socked AND nylon toes were tied. It's possible, but no one everrrrr does it.
f1bf52 No.13512
>>13509
>I agree completely, feathers suck.
>Sounds cool.
>This isn't really a complaint.
>That wouldn't really work unless the socks were really, really thin.
Dunno about the last two.
aa3db7 No.13522
>>13449
Especially since the Patreons you support are plastered on your profile page public for all to see. I imagine some people might not want to have a nice little badge on their page that says "I Give Money Each Month To Weird Fetish Porn".
267d5b No.13525
>>13449
Its funny because his art got worse and worse as time went on. Who the fuck is even paying for his shit now?
920f84 No.13540
>>13512
Thin socks work great yeah
Also most things are sort of complaints here, well at least mine were
64f3c7 No.13556
>>13525
>Who the fuck is even paying for his shit now?
All of us. Every one.
We're all paying for it.
cd8248 No.13580
>>13509
>let's just collectively stop using feathers and stocks. IT IS OVER. WE ARE A NEW WORLD.
There is a certain charm to feathers, but I can agree about stocks. Too often they're used with no real explanation and in settings where they don't fit.
>Let's get some full toe-tied sci-fi stocks and tentacles/brushes… completely fucking up the victim.
This on the other hand I'm not sure I get since both of of those things are quite common, almost annoyingly so.
>Also don't nylons make feet MORE ticklish or something along those lines?
For some people
Honestly it sounds like you would enjoy UKTickling's clips since they have a heavy stock and nylon focus.
64f3c7 No.13584
>>13580
>in settings where they don't fit.
Explain.
4731f8 No.13588
Honestly, I'd just love to see more artists stop being pussies.
We're a fetish community that probably shares the most in common with BDSM and yet runs rampant with squeamish and sexually retarded little pantywaists who are threatened by even remotely sexual content mixed with their tickling.
There are a bunch of artists who are awesome but just play it safe way too much to cater to these spergs and never try to expand their horizons regarding kinkier content. I know obviously it's up to the artist and I'm sure a lot of them might feel it's one of those lines that if they cross then there's no turning back, but in the end this really is a fetish based around sadism and masochism. Take off the kid gloves already.
3d762d No.13589
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>>13588
I personally believe the theory about most ticklefags being inexperienced with (or even put off or intimidated entirely by) actual sexual acts and think of tickling as a "safe" way to get their rocks off. Think of all the times you'll see someone discuss tickling or liking tickling, but how it's "not a sexual thing it's just fun!", or how they like feet "but just because they're cute it's fun it's not a fetish!'.
ca1b83 No.13591
>>13589
>"….it involves children…ITS NOT SEXUAL, ITS JUST FUN!…………………………..*fap fap fap*"
ec2eb8 No.13596
>>13589
This is definitely at least partially true.
Though I personally do find a lot of fun when I'm tickling in a platonic way too. I think its a little like play-fighting, but without the pain. I'm willing to admit that might just be because I've been so exposed to it through the fetish
5c72b9 No.13597
>>13589
Honestly, It just kind of happens. No one is sure why people end up with fetishes at all,but It happens. And they are a bitch to get rid of.
64d2ab No.13598
>>13589
I think this is somewhat true. I entirely prefer tickle torture over legitimate sex but don't ever try to play it off as anything but a fetish.
e2a11a No.13600
>>13597
>And they are a bitch to get rid of.
Aw why would you want to do something like that? Embrace your uniqueness man, this isn't some dime a dozen panty sniffing perv shit, you're into a fetish that most people have never even heard of. I mean fuck even the freaks on /d/ had no idea we were a thing at first. You have any idea how cool that actually is? It's like being part of some kind of secret exclusive club. I'm proud to be into this even with all the social awkwardness included :)
e2a11a No.13601
>>13600
(Cont…)
….not to mention the fact that despite it's playful undertones, there are plenty into hardcore S&M who would rather be spanked, whipped, beaten and have lit cigarettes put out on their skin than be tickle tortured…WE ARE SO MUCH MORE HARDCORE!
178bf3 No.13602
>>13601
Well, when you put it like that…
4f2b69 No.13605
>>13602
DAMN STRAIGHT! Tickling Pride man. And as I always tell my girlfriend who god bless her soul is really trying to indulge me, you could be into something so much more twisted. At least tickling is s viable form of foreplay…
920f84 No.13606
>>13580
Eh I guess they do sort of have a charm, and yeah I know what I described is sort of common… but such torture is not common enough, unfortunately.
And you're right. I fucking love UKtickling.
cd8248 No.13607
>>13584
Stocks have a certain historical quality to them that makes them feel very out of place in a modern or futuristic setting. They can also look out of place depending on what kind of cultural the setting is influenced by.
Of course you can make the argument that someone could have a pair personally made in a modern or futuristic setting or may even own a pair depending upon their proclivities, in which case I guess it comes down to personal preference. I kind of prefer seeing more makeshift bondage using items on hands compared to a type that has been manufactured.
I will say that a recent Borderlands picture CommissionKomori did had a pair of stocks that was made out of salvaged parts and which I found charming.
>>13588
>>13589
For some of us it's not safety or anything of the sort, rather we may find the sex aspect in art boring, disgusting or feel like it distracts from other things.
Those three are personally my feelings on the matter. I'm a footfag so tickling the breasts or genitals just removes focus from the former and doesn't as much if anything. Furthermore I like seeing tickling as a means of actually torturing someone and all the while having torturer engage in banter with their captive, both of which again sex will distract from since it becomes the be all end all once it takes the stage. Finally I just find the various fluids involved with sex to be disgusting to look upon and find the naked human body as drawn by many artists to usually be boring at best and grotesque at worst.
I've truly rarely seen someone try and play being a ticklefag or footfag off as some harmless quirk and not some kind of sexual preference.
9f23f0 No.13626
>>13607
And there's about five million foot only tickling images for you and people like you.
As someone who equates sexy times with tickling, , I find base tickling pictures such as that to be boring, redundant, and many times, low effort. We look have our different kicks, but the idea of looking at an image after seeing them for a decade and a half with just those aspects does nothing for me.
64f3c7 No.13629
>>13607
it sounds like your problem is with out of place props in general, not necessarily stocks.
No shit a set of wooden stocks looks weird on a space ship, but what about some shiny chrome ones with nice padding?
I mean in any case stocks aren't usually any more out of place than the tickle torture they're being used for.
4f0f0d No.13630
>>13626
>And there's about five million foot only tickling images for you and people like you.
Likewise I feel as if I could say the same as of late, especially with certain artists who have spread into such territory and never looked back.
I guess what I took more affront to was the way your (Or that Anon's) post was worded, since it came off at least a little as wishing that artists who currently do normally non-sexual work to start doing it.
I know full well about not having certain tastes catered to as both a a foot and ticklefag with there being a few gems and the rest either bad, not to my taste, or non-existent.
Truly it may not always be the artists who are the problem, but the commissioners if they do a lot of such work, which is nothing new. It's probably doesn't help that a lot of tickle artists solely have DA accounts and thus it's a good possibility that any work they do of that nature for commissions just never gets posted for the public.
>>13629
Could be, it often doesn't help that stocks are obviously overused and in certain cases no explanation is given for their presence.
64f3c7 No.13632
>>13630
>no explanation is given for their presence
again, no explanation is nessiserily given for the tickle torture itself either.
4f0f0d No.13633
>>13632
Suppose that is also fair, I will note that having characters behave in manner that runs contrary to to normal personality and manner with no explanation is something I really don't care for either.
64f3c7 No.13634
>>13633
I hear that. something every smut artist and writer has a hard time getting.
3b181c No.13635
I think we've lost our dear Cheshire to the fast cash schemes; his new adoptables are uber-creepy.
>>13449
>>13525
>>13556
I love when he was outed when the /d/ threads still existed as the douche who kept trolling people by constantly trying to correct their use of the chan-ism "sauce" and responding with "source*" over and over again. Such a fucking sperg.
3d762d No.13641
>>13635
He's been showing me some new C&F characters that look pretty good. Hang tight, good things are coming.
aa33dd No.13643
>>13641
You mean another of the 100+ characters he draws once and then we never see again unless someone commissions something involving them?
3d762d No.13645
598958 No.13653
>>13643
I'll agree that Chesh creates a lot of one and done characters, but he's not obligated to do anything with those characters. Even his most popular/well known character, Cali, is mostly one shot pics and an unfinished comic. This new patreon thing might give him the drive to explore some universe building content. He told me a few things in confidence and I'm certainly enthusiastic about his ideas.
edf24d No.13672
>>13634
Yeah, I honestly don't know what to chalk it up to other then them or the commissioner not really caring. Their thought process only getting to "This is hot" step and stopping.
I mean with vanilla porn at least half of the time you probably have plausibility, but fetishes being what they are don't give you the same leniency.
4a17bf No.13673
Sometimes I feel like Chesh keeps raising the bar on weirdness and is always trying to top himself. Of course I can't be sure if this is all stuff he's really into, which would make that one popular assessment of him being like a self contained microcosm of /d/ within the tickling community all the more valid or if it's more of "Hey gais! Gais! Look at how weird and edgy I am! Gais?"
9f23f0 No.13674
>>13672
You don't know what you're talking about, do you?
11edb9 No.13679
>>13634
It comes from fact that they are trying to hold on to the legitimacy of being a "artist" but not actually holding themselves up to artistic standards. Or even having some sort of dignity to at least admit that they are only in it for the money/boner.
I mean come on, why is it so hard to say "I'm making this because I get a stiffy and I have shame in showing it to the world. Now start wanking"?
64f3c7 No.13680
>>13673
the fact he made the weirdest ones yet adoptables is the weird part.
who is this weird centaur with feet for hands appealing to? who's gonna buy it and use it?
920f84 No.13681
more in regards to WTFeather… He's gotten better…. Look at the first one. Pretty hot. Very good.
Then… the faces on other people in non-tickling pics
They make me feel the same way I'd feel if someone punched me in the nose seventeen times, then showed me porn of my homegirl. I feel like they're very rushed, because GOD IS THE FIRST ONE HOT… but wtfuck wtfeather… you're my homedog don't do this
Also he had like 35 dollars for commissions at one point? Fuck man. I could just color a model and copy paste that sameface onto whoever. He's got talent, check his tumblr page… but none of his faces look like this. In any of his things. Ever. I'm not an artist but… this isn't very good. Not like I could do better (unless someone is turned on by like, stick figures tickling lol).
de9d5e No.13702
>>13674
>I like X and I like Y
>I'm going to have X tickled in stocks by Y despite the fact that Y has never shown any such inclination or reason for doing so and I'm not even going to bother to give an explanation.
I'm pretty sure I do
I'm not asking for the moon here, just at least a little plausibility.
For example, Suwako is associated with frogs/toads and Cirno likes to freeze the aforementioned, thus I can buy the idea of her trying to take advantage of Cirno being in a predicament like this.
9f23f0 No.13708
>>13702
What?
>>13681
I think both faces are okay.
de9d5e No.13709
>>13708
At this point I'm not sure if you just replied to me by accident or somehow missed that the current conversation between myself and another Anon was that a decent amount of artist and commissioners toss a character's personality in the trash when pictures are done of them.
920f84 No.13717
>>13708
Maybe it's just me ;-;
64f3c7 No.13824
>Dazmend is deleting/asking people to delete all their works
>can't remember who they are and have no idea what works are theirs cause they emptied their gallery