/trap/ - Traps

>>10616

Personally I'd love to have a qt trap girlfriend just like everyone else.

Physical attraction aside, 90% of the times I can't tell what the hell is going throught a woman's head and this prevents me to mantain a stable relationship.

>just go gay then you faglord

I would, but the thought of touching or kissing another man makes me want to puke. I know that most traps see themselves as women in men's bodies, but in the end it's the exact opposite.

This is why I like traps, and this is why I'd try for a relationship with one.

>>10616

Keep being what you are! For the love of Christ lol. Like I'm not the litmus test for traps but that's all *I* want. Like be a normal dude. Enjoy sports/videogames/sandwiches/getting-your-dick-sucked open car doors, make us laugh, tickle us, tease us, kiss us with your hand on our faces and hold our hand when walking. Take us on cute dates.

Don't grab our crotches, don't treat us like sexual aggressors, don't do stupid shit you wouldn't do with any other girl. Don't make stupid jokes and tease about our cocks. Don't do shit like try to rub your ass on our crotches like we're going to grab you and grind on you. Don't expect us to be grabbing at your ass and grinding on it. Don't tell us you love cock. Don't tell us you're excited to have a homosexual experience. Don't tell us you've never found a man attractive before.

That's really the difference between a chaser and just a normal boy taking a trans chick out on a date in MY experience (inb4 "omg you're not the authority on all trans relationships and chasers")

And I hope you do find a nice girl and take her on a nice date and fall in love <3

>>10619

>Keep being what you are!

lol yeah that's a problem. I don't get any attention from girls being me, trans or otherwise. But I get what you mean.

>And I hope you do find a nice girl and take her on a nice date and fall in love <3

Thanks, I hope so too one day.

>>10619

As an in progress trans myself

I've never quite understood the desire to draw away from the penis. It's not like anyone's going to see it unless you're in intimate proximity, and by that time I'm sure they know. When I think what makes a woman, I don't think the vagina, I think it's the behavior, the face, the breasts. I want to be treated like a woman in public. Under the sheets, you can do whatever you want to me.

I'm more ashamed of my brow and jaw and Moustache and leg hair than I am my dick. Plus I know most men like dick, why would I give a shit about them touching me there? Also I know the appeal of it as being straight without the bitchy retarded ranting that comes with most women. It's about having someone to relate to who you can also bonk and introduce to your parents.

>>10627

The sex part sort of throws me for a loop. I'm not into dicks at all, so I don't know how I'd handle being sexual with a transgirl. I suppose it depends on what they're into, so long as it's not anal on me. Not my thing at all. Again, wouldn't know though as I haven't even been anywhere close to sexual with a trap before.

I think what Jessica was saying was don't draw needless attention to it. From what I've seen that's something chasers do, and chasers aren't really good boyfriend material. As far as I've been told anyway. I could be 100% wrong in all of this though, because I literally know fuck all about this stuff.

The sexuality will differ from partner to partner. Each person has their own limits. I'm more strict with mine from, as guessed, compounded bad experiences with icky chaser-y dudes (defined as eccentric bottoms who crotch grab)

This conversation isn't about my sexual boundaries. It's about how you can meet and successfully date trans girls, regardless of what the two of you are into. My answer stems from my experiences and my trap friends preferences.

I think the over arching point is: don't be obsessively sexual. That's typically a fail dating move regardless of gender.

I really suggest reading dating books for straight guys dating cis girls. From myself and other traps I've spoken to they apply almost identically of not identically. I've been swept off my feet by guys who use approaches they learned partly or mostly through them :)

Again, good luck. Above all I hope that in your pursuits of dating you have fun! No girl of any gender is worth your time if she doesn't make you feel good - especially about yourself :D

>>10634

You say don't be obsessively sexual, but what happens when you're the opposite? Like really polite. In my experiences that's what I've always ended up doing, it's obviously not gotten me anywhere. I have tried to hit up a trap I know a bit, but I got the "Oh, you're such a great guy" friendzone thing. First time ever being into a specific trans girl too. Still technically friends, but our relationship is pretty much ruined. It's extremely disheartening to say the least.

I'm not a "nice guy" in the sense I think being nice will get me sex and that I deserve it (that obviously hasn't worked), but just a regular nice guy I suppose.

>>10644

I had the same issue for years.

This was posted elsewhere on here, I think, but it is mandatory viewing for anyone with this common problem.

>>10647

Oh I know I shouldn't feel bad for being a nice guy. But being called something like that by someone you like is still the kiss of death of any relationship. Nothing is going to change that any time soon.

You should watch Jenna Marables' vid on this.

Here's my take. Nice and what? You're a nice guy and what else? Most nice guys just say "I'm a nice guy" and that's where they end with qualifiers. I mean NO insult by this: you've got to be more than that. Nice and what else? Every built ass dude who has a nice car and fights mma while juggling kittens IS a nice guy to me. If they weren't I wouldn't be blowing them (not repeatedly).

So nice and what? Start making yourself MORE than a nice guy. I know this probably sounds like I'm being a cunt, but this is just life. It works the same on my end. Just being a "nice girl" doesn't make the quarter back bang me, take me out to dinner, and introduce him to his parents. In fact as a trans girl I have to work my ass off to earn that. I'm going to repeat that because that's the pivotal lesson here. To. Earn. That (which I desire). I cook, I clean, I suck dick, I work, I hit the gym ALOT, I diet ALOT and I read and listen to motivational tapes and books. Because the guy that just wants to date me for my body is NOT a nice guy, especially not in the long run. But if I work hard enough at being a better me all around, better partners just gravitate to me. Guys who are monogamous, buy me flowers, hit the gym, drive a cool car that THEY earned, and want to take me home to their parents and breed me every night like a filly in heat.

I'm not saying you AREN'T those things. I'm not saying I'm the PINNACLE EXAMPLE of those things.

I am 100% saying you will get what you work for. It won't be as fast add you want. Ever. But if you work towards something great you'll get it with sustained effort over time. Girl, car, dream job, army of Chinese boxing chimpanzees, whatever. That's what makes valuable things valuable, effort. That's why few people have them, lack of will power to supply sustained effort.

Best of luck! And remember you don't only need to be worth the girl's affection. She has to be working to be worth yours. Or she'll be a cunt that like doesn't suck your cock and bake you brownies but just sits around looking good and eating your bank account.

>>10677

Yeah I do know all of that. Being nice doesn't cut it. That's why when someone else asked me, "Well why don't you ask her out" or "Why don't you tell her you like her" I just reply with because I know I'm not good boyfriend material. Then the usual response is "Why not? You're a good guy."

I know ahead of time it's not going anywhere. I really don't have anything going for me or to offer. Honestly I don't even know how I had gfs in the past. How this relates to traps, I think at first I suppose I thought maybe they had somewhat different metrics on how they gauged people, but as I've found out that's not true. Sometimes it's even harsher. Which sucks, because no matter how hard I try, I don't know how I can live up to some of those standards. On top of that, the one trap I do/did like is in a much worse position than I am. Only thing she's got going for her is she's fairly pretty and still young. I know it probably has to do with who I like as well, as in the wrong girls. But it's been quite a few years since I've felt like that about someone, so I don't exactly get much practice on trying out different approaches either.

I know this sound like "oh poor me" bullshit, I don't mean it to be. Sympathy, especially fake sympathy, is the last thing I need. I know my problems, I do try overcome them but keep getting stuck.

>>10619

Projecting the phobia of your own cock like it's a universal constant isn't good advice though, seriously. There are always people on the wilder side of things - be it a pure transgirl, transvestite or hobby crossdresser.

>>10677

>>10680

Here's another good example. The whole post is worth reading, but this was the heart of it.

>I posted this earlier on another subreddit but it ended up getting removed because of fighting in the comments. I’ll sum up what happened thus far. I met my wife 7 years ago, she was extremely picky when it came to sex. She told me she only has been with 1 other guy before. She would never give a blow job, only would do certain positions and found almost every sex act degrading. I was frustrated by this, but I really liked her and hoped over the years she would open up sexually. Over the years, it never got any better but I learned to get over it. Well I ended up finding an old video from her college days of her engaging in group sex with 6 other people 5 guys 1 girl. In the video she has anal sex, oral sex, gets double teamed, and yells multiple times in the video she is a “I am a filthy whore.” All of it she was enthusiastic about it. I ended up feeling really sad. I can understand certain stuff people don’t want to do, but it wasn’t the fact she didn’t want to do them. She didn’t want to do them with me but every other guy she was their whore. I was angry hurt and I ended up saying some stupid shit to my wife.

The key point isn't that she had a sexual past, but that she didn't want to do it with him.

http://therationalmale.com/2013/12/03/saving-the-best/

>>10677

Btw, I saw the Jenna Marbles video years ago. She's talking about something different, and that is guys who whine that girls aren't interested in them even though they are so nice. You see that a lot, especially from guys who have fallen in love with some girl. It's kind of annoying, especially when guys won't shut up about it, but I was also guilty of doing it in my teens.

The main cause of it, honestly, is that for a lot of us, the understanding of what actually attracted women was too elusive. What society and our parents told us would work didn't, and we were at a loss.

>>10682

I'm more than willing to admit we're well good and beyond anything I can advise on. My last comment was fully opinion, and I should have framed it more to outline that.

The advice you need probably should come from guys who are in the relationships you want to be in. I don't know, I date on the opposite side. I would suggest reading dating books and that's the limit of my knowledge. Beyond that I retract my advice.

I can tell you that I date a "provider" type who also chokes me out and cums in my eyes. So. I don't think the dichotomy is a universal standard. Best of luck to you!

>>10679

>The sexuality will differ from partner to partner. Each person has their own limits. I'm more strict with mine from, as guessed, compounded bad experiences with icky chaser-y dudes (defined as eccentric bottoms who crotch grab)

>That's really the difference between a chaser and just a normal boy taking a trans chick out on a date in MY experience (inb4 "omg you're not the authority on all trans relationships and chasers")

Thanks for trolling tho. Nice troll bro.