b069fb No.2875
I have a theory about why so many young man are into MtF Trannies/Traps/Femboys/whatever.
I believe that our age of extreme left radical feminism, which demonizes femininity and encourages misandry, has created and environment where women become less and less feminine and womanly, placing little to no emphasis on being desirable to the opposite sex. (then complaining about no one finding them desirable, but that's neither here nor there) With women no longer acting like/looking like/BEING women, the most feminine people around are the boys who decide to become women.
Think about it, they love femininity, to the point that they try to make themselves as feminine as they can. Traps are more womanly than biological women.
Does this sound right to anyone, or am I being egocentric?
72136f No.2894
>>2875I think there's a lot of truth to this. Many traps who can pull it off strive for an exaggerated cuteness. Unlike genetic women who put more emphasis on attempting to impress other women, traps are almost completely interested in male attention.
Women have this weird dynamic, especially as they get older, where they want to show off their sexlessness. They cut their hair shorter and they dress less "cute" while spending more and more on clothes. I think it's a weird modern feminist thing, as you note, and you didn't see it as much even 20 or 30 years ago.
Traps don't have this at all. They always want to look sexy and adorable if they have the genes for it.
9a6046 No.2914
>>2875>>2894Also, if you pet their clits they make tasty milk :3
c684ab No.2920
Interesting theory. I think I would agree with that.
I also have another theory on it that targets a different reason, but could work in with yours. I think it has to do with confidence too. Men rarely get to see what is sexy about their own bodies. For women they see boobs and asses and curves in the media and everywhere. They grow up knowing in detail what men like about their bodies. But men rarely hear what women like about them. At most they'll hear that confidence is sexy, but you can't see or really assess your own confidence, so men never know what about them looks desirable. If anything, a dick is often used as a joke in most movies or tv shows. Think about it; a woman caught naked on a show will often lead to lingering camera shots and a male character stumbling over his words at his obvious desire, while a man caught naked will often lead to embarrassment for him and perhaps laughter from a female character.
Then you bring traps into the mix. Suddenly, guys can appreciate the sexiness of a womanly body, but she also has a dick. Over time the guy will begin to appreciate what looks good about a dick too, and in turn appreciate his own dick. It's porn that helps body image issues (at least in my experience).
7ce74d No.2922
72136f No.2924
>>2920I like where this thread is going. :-)
Your theory is fascinating, and the first I've heard it. I think there's some truth to it.
I have another theory that I suspect might apply a little more to older men, as I have read the typical guy into traps is in his 30s.
I think the presence of a cock on a girl is somehow reassuring for many of us, especially if we've not had particularly good relationships with women in our lives. I don't even mean just girlfriends, but women in general. With a few exceptions, I have found men in modern society to be more solid human beings in almost every respect. Men that I have been friends with or worked with have been more competent, more grateful, more straightforward, way less manipulative, way less prone to pointless drama, and generally more fun to be around. Plus, guys have common interests with guys.
The presence of a cock on a girl and the knowledge that she used to be a man
I don't want the visual, just the knowledge makes me think of her as someone who will have the qualities of a guy while having everything I'm attracted to in a female. I think Bailey Jay is a really good example of that. She has the personality of a guy you'd hang out with, while having a hot female body, and always being feminine where it matters.
My best evidence for this theory is that I don't like the type of dickgirls you see in anime that involve a woman growing a penis, and then having a vagina instead of balls. That seems really pointless to me. I want it to be a guy who becomes a girl, and has the best qualities of both worlds.
7ce74d No.2925
>>2924That's a pretty good way of thinking. It nice to think that being trans involves having some positive unique qualities all its own.
72136f No.2927
>>2925Yes, that's a big part of the appeal, at least to me. When I was going through that phase where I was attracted to traps, but thought it was just some weird masturbation thing because I was single, I came across this quote by Bailey Jay, which blew me away.
>Relationships make some women insane. When I use the women’s restroom at strip clubs and overhear girls talking about their boyfriends, it’s like the guys are an accessory rather than a person. It’s no wonder girls need a fashion magazine quiz to communicate with their significant other. Women and men are just so different from each other. I’ve always had guys figured out. That’s why I feel safer around them. Most of my friends are guys. I’m very male-minded although I feel female. I don’t need a lot of attention and I hate others that do.
>Guys are easy, I’ve never been in trouble with a boyfriend like I have with past girlfriends. Men are my people. I get them and they get me. I have simple needs: I enjoy giving oral, getting anal, making food and watching Netflix. I have no need for drama and most men don’t either.https://encyclopediadramatica.se/Line_TrapWhile every fucking girl will try to tell you how they're different from other girls, Bailey actually says it in a way that someone who still thinks like a guy would say it.
15f14f No.2938
>>2927Now i like bailey again.
e3a20a No.2950
>tfw people might actually like me
>tfw might not be hated freak
T-thanks
This actually made my night…
6b8881 No.3045
I've always thought of it differently in that..
Most males have always been attracted to femininity regardless of gender. Society treats women better (regardless of the feminist movement which may have been a catalyst) which young people subconsciously notice.
As they subconsciously see that women are treated nicer and are allowed to have share complex emotions, it makes some males feel like the only way they can have that is to become a woman or something more feminine and desirable.
Any big holes in this?
9d0291 No.3047
>>3045Yeah, that's not really why I transitioned. I think maybe some people are into being treated as a girl like that, but for most traps it's usually deeper either sexually or in terms of body image.
97f584 No.3048
>>2875Most guys tell me they find me much easier to be around than ciswomen.
My two previous boyfriends (relationships ended due to either him or I relocating) found the relationships fun and rewarding and specifically praised the fact they didn't have to deal with most of the bullshit that surrounds most ciswomen. Heh, the last one said jokingly "Plus, I didn't have to worry about pregnancy."
(I'm one of those transwomen who can take a joke and not get all asshurt about it).
Take all that for what you will. Here's a pic for listening to my boring opinion. I know, I'm not pretty.
7ce74d No.3055
>>3047Yeah I kind of agree with you.
polite sage
72136f No.3060
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>>3045All of that is true, but by itself it wouldn't be enough to convince anyone to switch.
I'm sure it would if there was a magic button that you pressed, and you became a beautiful trap, and another magic button that would turn you back if you changed your mind. Unfortunately, real life is not that easy.
cb3a48 No.3609
>>2950mine too after seeing people talk about me being a freak seeing stuff like this makes me feel better.
cb3a48 No.3610
>>3045>Any big holes in this?I didn't transition for that I did it because I was disgusted with my body and coming to tears whenever I looked in the mirror.
eaddff No.3642
>>2875>>2875This is totally me. Good summation OP.
607a0f No.3643
You guys/gals are right and as a guy who was exposed to traps involuntarily and still struggling with the fetish this discussion doesn't make it any easier.
>Tfw no real genetic manipulation that can turn the traps that want to be full women into biological women.
Till then I gotta deal with real women and every ill they bring.
33ac50 No.3666
>>2875Specifically, I can tell you that men give up on women when they find out that 90% of them are gold diggers. And that's not necessarily the women's fault. It's just the way they're brought up by the media and left-wing society.
With nowhere left to direct their desires, men thus turn on themselves and, egged on by the propaganda dedicated to immasculating western males, they fall into the trap (huehue pun intended) of inverting everything they want to see in a female (but isn't present) in on themselves.
>They become the girl they want. 36427a No.3672
/pol/ here. You're all degenerates.
Also, it's just a repeat of history. When women become unbearable, men go for crossdressers, traps and young boys (the latter obviously being verboten in our current society). And women always become unbearable at some point during the downfall of an empire (see: Greece, Rome, China, Ottomans, etc).
Want to know more? Read "The Fate of Empires" by Glubb.
Did I mention you're all degenerates? But as I said, there is nothing anyone can do to stop it. The West will fall soon.
7ce74d No.3674
>>3672
>"The Fate of Empires" by Glubb.This anon gets it.
That being said I still feel quite happy about becoming a girl. I don't deny that external influences caused me to be this way.
72136f No.3675
>>3674>That being said I still feel quite happy about becoming a girlAnd I'll be dating girls like you. And I'm happy with that.
I'm also from /pol/, btw.
cfff80 No.3681
>>2924>She has the personality of a guy you'd hang out with, while having a hot female body, and always being feminine where it matters.Can't a cisgirl do that? Which bits are the guy personality that matter and which bits are being feminine when it matters?
dc037c No.3687
>>3681I love tomboys, but most of them are not into guys. And most cis girls who are straight and do this end up being psycho in the end.
I'm in my 30s and I've yet to find a woman who didn't turn out to be a complete cunt in the end. I never got married, and never will, because cis girls will just cheat on you, then blame you and take half your shit. Not worth it.
cfff80 No.3691
>>3687How come cisgirls with the right mix of guy personality and femininity end up being psychos? And how come they're usually not into guys when traps with the same mix are?
cb3a48 No.3692
>>3691This is just my own idea, but because as traps we used to be guys so we have a bit defferent of a perspective we understand how it is to be a guy even if we dont get their thought process at times, and We have an ideal that we usually strive for so we can have more boyish parts of our personality but we still strive for that feminity.
also its 2:40 am here sorry if this is uncomprehensable or unreadable I might clarify when I wake up.
cfff80 No.3694
>>3692I understand, but why can't a cisgirl do that too? If she feels the same way, she can strive for that boyishness too.
72136f No.3696
>>3681>Can't a cisgirl do that? Which bits are the guy personality that matter and which bits are being feminine when it matters?I could write a really long post on this, but I'll stick with three important areas.
1. Sex is a beautiful, wonderful, enjoyable thing that two people can share and reflect their love for one another. Men understand this. Women understand it during the act, but then see it as an opportunity to manipulate afterwards. It's something like
>Now that you brought me to excited orgasm a couple of hours ago, here are some things you need to do for me, since you owe me.I really fucking hate this.
2. Life is not about drama. I would want my home life or time spent with a significant other to have a feeling of safety, where we're not constantly challenging or shit-testing one another. Life is way more fucking interesting than these stupid games.
Women do not seem to understand that. Men do.
3. A lot of female stuff is just stupid. Following Perez Hilton and celebrity gossip instead of expanding your mind with something literary or intellectual, or owning 100 pairs of shoes and going clothes shopping every week when you could own a few articles of clothing that are cute and spend your time outside enjoying the fresh air.
I want my life to be as fulfilling as possible, not a consumerist spending spree that wastes my time and money.
85d778 No.3699
>>3696Sweet jesus man. Thats a good post. Makes a lot of sense
cfff80 No.3700
>>3696Top quality post, but still, can't a cisgirl just not do manipulative sex, drama/shit-tests and female stupid stuff? Those are all things someone could choose not to do or be raised not to do or not do because they want to be a better person who can have better relationships with men, like traps can.
72136f No.3704
>>3700>can't a cisgirl just not do manipulative sex, drama/shit-tests and female stupid stuff?Yes, women can, but here's the rub.
I don't think women are any worse than men as human beings. Both genders have their good and bad qualities, and throughout most of human history, they've probably been pretty much balanced.
Until today. Our society revolves completely around women, moreso than any other civilization in history. Women have less accountability than ever before.
I'm going to assume that you are a hetero or bisexual cis woman interested in a man for a long-term relationship. I want you to imagine every possible bad trait that you have seen in men. Things like
>obsession with watching and talking about sports>sloppiness in living environment to the point of being unsanitary and disgusting>a desire to watch really bad action films>immaturity>drinking too much beer>pointless jealousy>letting themselves go physically>headgames, spitefulness, unexpected rudenessNow, I want you to imagine a society that attempts to excuse every single failing they have, to the point where you are just expected to deal with all or most of them.
A guy might tell you that he is different, and he may even have good intentions, but all of society is telling him that, fuck it, he has the right to keep his beer gut, as women these days demand too much from men, and have historically oppressed them. He's not an object, he's a human being. Month old fast food wrappers on the floor are just part of being a man. Spending thousands of dollars per year on sports team paraphernalia and other stupid collector shit? He's worth it!
Now imagine that you as a woman are expected to take the primary burden of financial provision. Imagine that when most of your money goes into buying a house, it's effectively considered his space, except for a den that is given to you. Then imagine that all of the laws are geared against you. You want to divorce your 300 lb husband who drinks beer all day while not keeping a job? Tough shit, he keeps the kids, and you pay child support from your end.
This is something like the world that men live in. So a woman simply telling us that she is different doesn't hold much weight. If she truly
is different, then the right man will be blessed to have her, and will no doubt show his love and gratitude.
72136f No.3705
>>3666>With nowhere left to direct their desires, men thus turn on themselves and, egged on by the propaganda dedicated to immasculating western males, they fall into the trap (huehue pun intended) of inverting everything they want to see in a female (but isn't present) in on themselves. I think this is very, very true for many traps, including many of the hottest ones.
We live in a society where beautiful women are the single most precious commodity. Guys organize their lives around trying to get that commodity, one which is actually decreasing as women get fatter/more entitled/less feminine.
Playing this game wrong can leave you a loser, and most men arguably will wind up being losers. Even if they get the gold, the woman can legally destroy him and move on.
Now, picture the situation of guys who go into this game and have more difficulties from the outset. Specifically, imagine the experience of guys who are born short, with weak, skinny bodies for a man. As a woman, these are positives. But as a man, their attractiveness to adult women is generally marginal. They can obsess over game and financial success, but they are fighting an uphill battle.
At some point, psychologically, it's easier for some men to begin a process of taking on feminine qualities themselves and relating to the world in a feminine way.
Look at this image of Kimber James. Does anyone really think that life would have been easier for someone of her size and body type as a man? Particularly a heterosexual man?
Not everyone is that flexible in their choices, but there is definitely benefit for those who can be.
cfff80 No.3709
>>3704I'm not saying guys should just believe any cis woman who claims she isn't like that. Lord knows, so many are, even of the ones who claim that.
But it is a possibility, so guys should be open to that. It's not like they can avoid making the judgement call by only dating traps anyway, because some of them do have the same shallowness and feminist culture as cis women. Not as many, but enough that you still have to be alert. So when he meets them, a guy can be alert for cis women who aren't like that too.
And if you raise a daughter, you can teach her not to be like that and to not have the big three female flaws, even if she's cis.
72136f No.3710
>>3709I agree with you. Also, my last few posts were slanted insofar as it makes traps out to be all angels. They sure as hell aren't.
Also, you can't have children with a trap. For most guys with foresight, that's a deal breaker right there, and it should be. Family is one of the most important things you can do with your life
I only wish it wasn't so risky todayI still want to see a very positive and encouraging environment for traps, and for people like me who've decided not to go down the family route to become romantically involved with them. Our world needs more traps, and more men to love them.
cb3a48 No.3717
>>3694I think its because we're going in opposite directions and what we were born as its a different direction that we have different perspectives. I think thats why a cisgirl as you put it will never have been a man unless she transitions or traps so she'll never have that perspective even if she desires to be masculine.
cfff80 No.3718
>>3710I agree, society shouldn't try to determine people's gender or orientation by their sex.
For children, you can adopt or use surrogacy. I bet a lot of traps would be happy to raise a child who wasn't biologically theirs.
>>3717But why does a cisgirl need to experience a male perspective first hand to think that being less feminine culturally, in those three big ways for example, is something to strive for?
cfff80 No.3719
>>3717>>3718Aw man, we have IDs now?
cb3a48 No.3727
>>3718I will attest to that I would love to raise children someday even though I can't give birth to a child I would be honored if a guy would be willing to adopt a child with be or if he even wants to use his sperm to have a child with someone else like artificial insimination, like i guess im just saying I would love to be with a man someday and raise a child and be its mother.
and to your other comment I'm not sure after having read the rest of the thread with the big three ways stuff I think its stupid that people do those things but I dont think those are up to the perspective stuff I think theyre up more to personal character and values that people hold.
83c8ba No.3729
>>3710Except after men get run through the custody meat grinder there are plenty of men don't want more children.
Which works for me, I don't want any children. Living with my nephews as long as I did I know enough for it to be an overrated experience.
I'd much rather use my resources and time to enrich my own life. I don't give a shit if that seems greedy or selfish.
2e8206 No.3775
>>3692I almost wonder if it is something as simple as early childhood growth and learning which is the big divider. Most parents and teachers go easier on young girls when it comes to discipline, yet boys meet harder resistance to bad behaviour. A boy turning on the water works won't garner as much sympathy, and perhaps even will be chided for being a wimp; where as most will cave to the tears of a little girl. Traps are cooler because they don't have that ingrained knowledge of how to manipulate the emotions of others from their early childhood and instead approach issues with the same perspective most guys have.
(That's not to say that every woman is like that, just that there are definitely some that never outgrow that behaviour)
cfff80 No.3778
>>3727>I think its stupid that people do those things but I dont think those are up to the perspective stuff I think theyre up more to personal character and values that people hold.Exactly, maybe being raised a boy will lead to someone being more likely to hold different values, but someone doesn't need to necessarily have ever had a male perspective to have more male values and personality traits.
>>3775Even if they do have that knowledge, they might have reasons to not want to use it, like knowing how social things work without it and thinking it's better that way.
cb3a48 No.3782
>>3775> A boy turning on the water works won't garner as much sympathy, and perhaps even will be chided for being a wimpThis is very true actually kids reffered to me as a fag, even in elementary
and yeah I would agree that the formative years are important
>>3778like the previost post is saying I would say its how boys are disciplined and raised that causes most traps/trannies to be the way that guys like.
a4ad09 No.4196
>>3704I think there is lot of truth in your post, and more. I am reading more and more about this feeling, by example:
https://selfsexual.wordpress.com/2014/12/17/selfiex/I think the issue is gonna grow, since now we have transexuals , traps and so.
e0d1a4 No.4269
>>2927>I enjoy giving oral, getting anal, making food and watching Netflix. I have no need for drama and most men don’t either.That's most guys's description of the "dream girl."
Basically a girl with a guy's mind.
This has been a revelation to me… I… I need to think.
84f03f No.4272
>>4269It was revelatory for me as well.
This thread and this one
>>4092 are two of the best discussion on 8chan.
I'm even at peace with /trap/'s slowness if we can maintain this level of quality.
def173 No.4375
>>3705i feel identified with some of you said
>imagine the experience of guys who are born short, with weak, skinny bodies for a man. As a woman, these are positivesas a kid i never was a strong, brave kid, lots of times i was compared to another friend but always they gave the "man" features to him, so if he was a man and i was so different of him maybe im not a boy i thought in that ages
also some day they make my friend give me a bracelet, i remember it was an obviously girl bracelet, he put it in my hand, and they told me "how you need to say" me:"thank you" they:"give him a kiss", so i kissed him, not in the mouth but i was confused
between my 11-14 years i had another friend who touched me a lot, also he liked to come from behind me and put his penis in my butt (with clothes obviously) and always told me things like "you are a hot girl" insinuating like i wasnt a boy, at first i dont liked but dont know how or when i started to like to feel his penis in my butt, also started to want to have sex with him but me as a girl
also another boy told me sometimes i had a hot and delicious butt
i thought a lot of what happened, why boys got excited with me, like if i was a girl, but also i wanted to be a girl with some boy, i felt i was different maybe i was more girl than boy
one thing more was i had a overprotective parents, i coulnt go out with friends because they always been thinking something bad will happen me
i was raised like i was a girl, maybe that made me want to be one
84f03f No.4745
>>4375This was a great story, as it shows how it happens organically.
It was also a 2-way street. If you were not inclined towards this, you would have ignored it or fought back in some way.
If you were not a good candidate for this, at least at that age, then you wouldn't have gotten that type of attention from other boys.
805bd6 No.4769
>>4745>If you were not inclined towards this, you would have ignored it or fought back in some way.well, i tried a lot to not thinking of it but always finished thinking/fantasizing
>If you were not a good candidate for this, at least at that age, then you wouldn't have gotten that type of attention from other boys.maybe, i thought lots of times why, i never knew another boy who others talked like he was a girl
b6fc80 No.4817
>>3705i sure love being a short skinny dude, with absolutely no interest in being a grill or dating dudes.
thanks society.
4a7762 No.4838
I got lucky and found a nice cis woman to settle down with, but I used to date traps heavily just because it's a legal minefield as a male these days. One domestic disturbance, one false allegation after a night of drunk sex, etc, and your life may be fucked. Many women buy into this stuff. Few traps do. So it was always safer, and often more fun, to date a trap.
But I want kids and never did find a trap that'd be cool with me seeing an XX woman on the side for breeding purposes so I put in the work and found the rare antifeminist female that's also not a backwood bible thumper.
790378 No.4855
So the main point here is that a person who is intelligent, a bit rebellious(doesn't follow dumb trends), tries hard, can be loving, caring and emotional when necessary, but also tough and able to stand her/his ground when the going gets rough is a good person?
That physical sex is less important than mental aptitude and personality?
Sure. Traps aren't better. They just have a higher chance of being both intellectual AND girly. Cisgirls can be awesome, as can cisguys for the same reason.
Is this the main point, nyaa?
(traps are still better.)
84f03f No.4863
>>4855>So the main point here is that a person who is intelligent, a bit rebellious(doesn't follow dumb trends), tries hard, can be loving, caring and emotional when necessary, but also tough and able to stand her/his ground when the going gets rough is a good person?That is a good summation.
Women's idea of being "tough" is being confrontational and bitchy. No guy wants this shit.
You know what the ideal woman would be? Cheery and feminine, but tough when dealing with the outside world as needed. Think of a feminine frontierswoman who can pick up a rifle and defend the homestead in a crisis.
Above all, no needless drama.
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0dadb4 No.5193
>>3704This may be one of the best posts I have seen on 8chan. Screencapped for posterity.
8171c4 No.5262
>>3672>coming to a degenerate board and calling us degeneratesYou're the one who fucking searched for this place, do you reach into bee hives and complain when there's bees inside?
69aae8 No.5263
>>5262>do you reach into bee hives and complain when there's bees inside? 69aae8 No.5264
>>5262>do you reach into bee hives and complain when there's bees inside?Orbital velocity achieved.
21c81e No.5269
>>5262It's pol, they're always in to shit like traps but obsess about how degenerate it is while they come here to whack it anyway, think Christian guilt.
Also my fucking sides too.
000000 No.5703
>>2875How about a simpler theory? The technology has improved to where traps are able to become very attractive women. Hetero men like attractive women, so many like traps. This wasn't true 20 years ago, when most traps still looked like guys who needed to shave in dresses.
While Dworkin is as nutty as Limbaugh, no one outside their little clique takes them seriously. Feminism is fundamentally libertarian humanism: all people should equally be allowed to do what they want if they aren't harming anyone else regardless of their gender. Feminists focus on women because women are still barred from many activities in most of the world, where (big-L) Libertarians focus on oppressed billionaires whose freedom to dump toxic waste in poor peoples' backyards is inhibited by those goddamn liberals.
47133c No.5715
>>5703That's part of it. There were some smoking hot traps of yesteryear
>>5477, but yeah, it is easier than ever for many transgenders to become the beautiful woman they want to be.
Another related factor is better awareness of what's going on in the rest of the world compared to 40-50 years ago. You can access information on cultures like Brazil and Thailand where traps are much more a part of the scenery.
Yet another factor is simply greater acceptance. There was a window in the 1970s that was
very sexually permissive, and you could have a big name performer like Lou Reed actually date a trap for several years
>>5475 , but overall our society is more open about stuff like this than before. I think gays are getting some small pushback in the broader culture because their activists are such obnoxious SJWs, with their wedding cake stuff being a perfect example, but overall I don't think that has affected traps as much, except insofar as they are seen as gay. Rupaul and drag queen funniness are decent ambassadors of a group that brings value. If Jim Norton's Vice show with Bailey Jay had taken off, that would have been good for acceptance as well.
Of course, an obvious factor is internet porn and the broad exposure to every possible genre.
But all of these are, imho, contributing factors to the main social ones that we have been exploring in this thread. All of the above examples are along the lines of
>yeah, I might have sex with a trap who is really, really hot. Some of them are really cute.vs
>If that girl is really a trap, I would marry her and suck her dick every night. Oh, she's not a trap? She's alright, I guess.Many of us are generally more attracted to traps than regular women.
940728 No.6338
>>2875
Sounds about right. pic related
940728 No.6344
>>3045
Sounds like a correlation and not a causal relationship. I think it correlated because men are the chasers and women are the chased. It sets up a sexual marketplace dicotomy.
a17a28 No.6448
>>5703
>Feminism is fundamentally libertarian humanism: all people should equally be allowed to do what they want if they aren't harming anyone else regardless of their gender.
Except it isnt. First of all feminist theory is based on standpoint theory. Replace bourgeois vs proletariat with men vs women and it's the same exact thing. Libertarianism and standpoint theory both originate from left wing ideals, but that's where it ends. Libertarianism is about weakening the state, feminism is about divorcing women from men and marrying them to a big nanny state.
It doesn't matter if on other issues governments are made up of old white men, the government is necessary to protect women at all costs. For example, to reduce the amount of money a man can owe in child support until he becomes a felon. Highly important feminist business! Along with lying and spreading myths about already debunked wage gaps or unrealistically high rape rates in college.
It also doesn't matter if women want to study psychology or become teachers. They must become engineers and astrophysicists. Look at China, where like 40% of engineering students are female. Much better than places like Sweden, who cares about freedom anyway?
Or my personal favorite, claiming transwomen are men trying to infiltrate womyn's safe spaces.
Feminism is disgusting and to apply it's demands would be like implementing a North Korea style regime. Far from libertarianism as it gets.
013009 No.6460
>>6448
Well said. Feminism doesn't hold up when you look at the actions of its proponents. Dictionary definitions be damned.
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>>5703
>Feminism is fundamentally libertarian humanism:
bullshit.
Feminism–the birth child of Critical Theory and Marxism–is in direct opposition to Libertarianism.
Libertarianism maintains that a small, self-sufficient, and relatively weak central government should exist that it's main purpose is to defend natural rights. Feminism is about pushing nanny-state laws that privilege women for virtue of having a vagina.
daa8cb No.6531
>>6490
I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you’re referring to as 'feminism', is in fact, post-modernist feminism, or as I’ve recently taken to calling it: Retardation.
a4b7f9 No.6659
I think it's just low confidence with females.
46789a No.6720
>>2875
I feel traps become traps because of the same reason some fish and other animals change sexes. Lack of success/exposure with/to females causes the desire to be more womanly.
In other words, put the chocolate chip cookies on the top shelf, and people will learn to love oatmeal and raisin.
07ffdd No.6732
>>6720
No doubt, that's true of their admirers as well. Also, did you know how kickass your analogy is?
>kids prefer chocolate chip cookies
>adults know that a really good oatmeal and raisin cookie tastes way better, and doesn't make you feel like you ate pure junkfood
>good oatmeal and raisin cookies that are fresh, chewy, and have layers of flavor are a lot harder to find than chocolate chip, which you see in every grocery store
d4bdb2 No.6809
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My theory.
People are starting to enjoy anal.
63e7d5 No.6812
>>6732
>Dis nigga understands oatmeal raisin cookies
f6a038 No.6849
There is so much beta-based misogyny, objectification, MRMisms and so on that SJWs rail on here. While I think extreme SJWs are just as nuts as the extreme MRMs, the horseshoe is a funny thing and both groups do have /some/ valid points. Some of these valid points are that you can't generalize half of the human race on some bad experiences you've have, you can't blame other people for not liking you and stop being a douche, just treat other people like humans. Fuck.
5f803a No.6974
It's also the complete and utter fecklessness and vulgarity of modern women, as well as the supreme threat that almost all men feel from asserting even the smallest amount of masculinity towards…anything really. It could land u in jail, get your money and children taken away from you, and u have to put up with endless amounts of bullshit for even the smallest chance at sex. Traps can pass the feminine looking part of women, but they have the mentality of men. Something not as foreign, all powerful, or worshiped as the baffling and largely disappointing mind of women.
8bbaa1 No.7012
>>2875
One on my secondary goals as a traps is to be a model to biological woman about how to fucking b a woman damnt it! they have loss their ways i swear.
8bbaa1 No.7013
>>6720
Then how do you explain transgenders who were extremely alpha males and did shit like banging a lot of girls or being the top cadet in the army and highly admired, yet decided to transition for been extremely unhappy?
cab5e3 No.7251
>>7013
Autogynephilia. Duh.
32cb31 No.7253
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>>7012
This thread just got linked from another board because it was about why this trapstuff is seen as appealing by some people.
Im a bit confused about the use of words here.
I thought traps were just really androgynous gay/bi guys into crossdressing.
Now you all post pics of weird chirurgically altered trannys with implanted fake boobs and makeup. which is revolting to look at.
Is the name "trap" now also used for the hormonal altered bioconstructs with the implants?
07ffdd No.7254
>>7253
There are 3 things that make someone a trap.
>passable - really looks like a woman
>attractive - she has to be cute
>dick - no post-ops or any of that shit
The joke is that a trap is a trap because you're taken in and want to fuck her before you know she has a dick, and she's so hot you still want to fuck her anyway, causing you to question your sexuality.
IRL, most traps aren't going to get there with only cross dressing, usually they have to take hormones as well. In photos, it can be different.
Not everyone here is into fake tits, but you also don't find many androgynous boys here, which is more /cuteboys/ territory.
0c86a9 No.7257
>>3675
>dating girls like you
>girls like you
>girls
>like you
>from /pol/
ddd097 No.7264
Why does everyone here feel the need to justify their fetishes by claiming that traps are better than real women?
It gets you off, stop worrying about it. If I had to guess young men like it because it's taboo. You've never seen a dick on a cute girl, which stimulates your brain, which excites your dick. Not complicated.
8bbaa1 No.7333
>>7251
That does not explain shit.
8bbaa1 No.7334
>>7264
if that where the case it would get boring in the long run.
ba3789 No.7486
It's because men are just degenerate females. One part chooses to unite with an outside woman to feel complete, the other part wishes to complete themselves by becoming female or at least approximate a female body.
07b00b No.7514
>>2927
Bailey Jay is now my hero/ine
eff101 No.7534
>>3692
If it helps: a lesbian tried to disguise herself as a guy with the help of professional make-up artists and actor coaches. She lives for a year ( I think) as a dude, and drew out pretty much the same conclusion. Women have no idea how it is to be a guy. There's a YT video, but too lazy to remember right now.
fcb555 No.7536
YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.
>>7534
Norah Vincent. The video is amazing, and 18 minutes well spent. She talks about this from an angle that you will not see anywhere else.
I honestly think she went into the project with at least a partial muckraker attitude, where she was going to expose male failings. Instead, she was in shock at how not only different men were, but how they maintained a quiet nobility against every hardship, and the shit they have to endure. She also discusses their sense of generosity, and how their camaraderie is more genuine than what you see from women.
2ced44 No.7640
4b17c9 No.7654
>>2875
This is not the absolute truth because there are no absolutes. But it's part of it.
Most people into traps are bisexual and traps themselves as well. Hell some traps have been fathers.
Note: with trap I mean every one that is passing as a girl, the method they used matters not: mones, genes, just crossdressing, make up, etc.
>>5703
>technology
Thats not necessarily true at least not in the way you put it but it has some truth to it. To be passing genes are still what matter the most not how much money you have for paying transition.
Nature is indeed the most valuable thing ever.
What happened is the internet. Now traps can share tips, learn make up decently (not like 80s traps who were fugly and were 90% make up), learn about womens fashion, etc.
>pics related: Bill from Tokyo Hotel. He never did mones, he was born a very androgenous looking man… God tier genes.
All in all there are lots of factors playing obviously. Some people just like dicks on a feminine looking body.
fcb555 No.7657
>>7654
>What happened is the internet.
That is definitely a big factor. Another one is that more people are doing it, and there is more of a process of self-selection.
In the 1980s in the United States, most people who went trans would have felt that they absolutely had to. They really felt uncomfortable as men, and only happy as women.
That's unfortunate if you look like Fred Gwynne, the guy who played Herman Munster. He's a cool looking imposing dude, but a passable female? Probably not ever.
Now, someone like Bill from Tokyo Hotel might not feel he has to be a trap, but it's an option he can weigh out in a society that is more open to it, and for which he has remarkable genetics.
This also echoes what was said here >>3705
>Specifically, imagine the experience of guys who are born short, with weak, skinny bodies for a man. As a woman, these are positives. But as a man, their attractiveness to adult women is generally marginal. They can obsess over game and financial success, but they are fighting an uphill battle.
When it becomes more of an option in life, you will have more people embracing this who can do it well.
d71073 No.9568
I think im gay now. Theres something about a feminine looking man fucking you that really turns me on.
a85d49 No.10423
tbqh the reason I became a trap was because of anime
I already saw myself as being soft, pure and caring, but it wasn't until I saw actual men in anime being completely feminine and passing as women without trying that I knew this would make me more happy and comfortable with myself also being feminine (since that's how I viewed myself and also it looked fun)
a85d49 No.10425
>>10423
to add to that, I also felt my body matched a girls more than a mans
f40cd6 No.10426
>>7657
>Specifically, imagine the experience of guys who are born short, with weak, skinny bodies for a man. As a woman, these are positives. But as a man, their attractiveness to adult women is generally marginal. They can obsess over game and financial success, but they are fighting an uphill battle.
>When it becomes more of an option in life, you will have more people embracing this who can do it well.
That is wrong as fuck. In this present day and age there are TONS of biological women who are into lean twinks, feminine looking men and even traps.
It's not because they're forced to. My ass. Skinny more feminine looking men are popular as fuck among girls, it's just because they like it, because they can make it.
Bill had a ton of fangirls even as a trap that wanted to have sex or a relationship with him/her.
Usually bio girls who are otakus, ex-emos or scenegirls, open minded, bisexual, etc. Like feminine men, traps, mtf trans, etc. Actually lameass /fit/ guys are dropping in popularity because of the fashion world. Fashion designers are hiring slim men, not meatheads and it has been like that for a while now.
Also because of One Direction and other factors in our modern pop culture. I'm glad this is happening tbh, about time. Beautiful people is beautiful people after all, both genders can have relatively the same fairness and finesse. It wasn't accepted because people were more stupid and ignorant back them (except in Ancient Greece and Edo to Meiji Period Japan, etc).
>>10423
Japan was on it since their feudal eras. Read up about "Shudō (衆道)" between the Samurais.
Haku is the best Naruto character btw.
fcb555 No.10428
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>>10426
>That is wrong as fuck. In this present day and age there are TONS of biological women who are into lean twinks, feminine looking men and even traps.
That hasn't been my observation. Skinny men can do really well, but skinny men with muscle tone more like a woman than a man? Honestly, I haven't seen it, unless they have something else going on, like being in a band or very deep into some scene like goth that fits with the skinny look.
Your experience is different, and that's fine. You probably know a lot of cool people that I don't. However, there is another point that I mentioned which there are a lot of studies on, and that is the preference of women for men taller than themselves. This seems to be almost universal. Height seems to be a big deal to women for some reason, and they notice it way more than men do.
>Actually lameass /fit/ guys are dropping in popularity because of the fashion world.
Most big male sex symbols for women veer from guys who are quite skinny, like Robert Pattinson, to moderately muscular, like Brad Pitt.
It is pretty interesting that most muscular actors are more popular among men. Presumably women do get those calendars and greeting cards with the muscular guys, but you don't see them get the same kind of female interest if they are actors.
Not many women are interested in really muscular/professional bodybuilder types. Maybe a few decades ago, when those guys looked more normal. Now they are absurd.
9162dd No.10487
I felt I had to transition, I mean trying to castrate yourself at 11 is kind of a give away imo x.x
I'm happy as a trans girl, never was as a guy
2e606c No.10640
>>3045
I never really thought that people treat women nicer. Some movies and TV shows present men as retarded pussies that can't do anything, but then other ones show men as cool motherfuckers.
Also I don't think women have any real advantages in society over men.
Also I can't share complex emotions with everyone, but I can with people that aren't cunts.
Do I think women won't like me if I have complex emotions? Probably, but fuck those cunts.
I think that there are some bullshit laws that need to change though.
I don't think your conjecture holds any water mate.
2e606c No.10641
>>7486
What the fuck are you basing any of this bullshit on?
07ffdd No.10643
>>10641
It is either a troll or something from the nether regions of feminism. Here are some quotes from Valerie Solanas:
>The male is a biological accident: the y(male) gene is an incomplete x(female) gene, that is, has an incomplete set of chromosomes. In other words, the male is an incomplete female, a walking abortion…. To be male is to be deficient, emotionally limited; maleness is a deficiency disease and males are emotional cripples.
>Eaten up with guilt, shame, fears and insecurities and obtaining, if he's lucky, a barely perceptible physical feeling, the male is, nonetheless, obsessed with screwing; he'll swim a river of snot, wade nostril-deep through a mile of vomit, if he thinks there'll be a friendly pussy awaiting him. He'll screw a woman he despises, any snaggle-toothed hag, and, further, pay for the opportunity. Why? Relieving physical tension isn't the answer, as masturbation suffices for that. It's not ego satisfaction; that doesn't explain screwing corpses and babies.
That sets the stage for this last quote in particular.
>Being an incomplete female, the male spends his life attempting to complete himself, become female. He attempts to do this by constantly seeking out, fraternizing with and trying to live through and fuse with the female and by claiming as his own all female characteristics - emotional strength and independence, forcefulness, dynamism, decisiveness, coolness, objectivity, assertiveness, courage, integrity, vitality, intensity, depth of character, grooviness, etc. - and projecting onto women all male traits - vanity, frivolity, triviality, weakness, etc. It should be said, though, that the male has one glaring area of superiority over the female - public relations. He has done a brilliant job of convincing millions of women that men are women and women are men
https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Valerie_Solanas
07ffdd No.10645
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>>10640
I don't agree, but I admit it is something that is hard to quantify on a personal level. On an institutional level, women have far more money spent on them, much shorter prison sentences, and a legal system that in general favors them, as you note. Some of those things might be justified, but not all of them.
2e606c No.10659
>>10643
Damn, that Solanas bitch really hates men.
2e606c No.10660
I think the reason that I like traps is because they're not as judgmental of material wealth or social status(honestly, maybe I wouldn't care if I wasn't a loser), they're often so much more feminine than biological women, they're generally less awful people to be around(kinder, more caring, nurturing), and also since I'm kind of fucked up(depression, schizoid personality disorder), I think they might understand me better since they've also gone through some fucked up psychological bullshit in their lives.
2e606c No.10663
>>10645
Well see those are political and legal problems, which can be dealt with in a political or legal way.
I don't think anyone would want to become a woman because of those things.
e15f32 No.10668
One thing i haven't seen discussed anywhere that at least i like about traps is one of the big effects that hormones have
Alot of traps who are on HRT don't just look like women, they look like girls who just finished puberty. That combined with their perceived submissiveness and obsession with looking cute as fuck probably triggers the primal part of the male brain associated with liking jail bait.
2e606c No.10669
>>10668
Well I don't think men like "jailbait" exactly, but yes, anything 16-26 is most attractive to men.
Good point.
Men like youthful men.
It signals health and the ability to produce many healthy children.