430786 No.4881
Why are trans women feeding in to this notion that men who like them are chasers. and they shouldn't be with men who like trans women. is it a ploy by feminist to make disgusting bitchs our only option.
7f4720 No.4884
There are two sides to this.
If by "chasers," they mean guys who only want to fuck traps and never be in a relationship with them, then I can see why they would find that objectionable, and I agree with them. Honestly, the traps who seem the happiest/most stable are the ones who are in long-term relationships, and if they are surrounded by this type of chaser, it must get frustrating as hell when they want to turn things into a relationship, especially if the guy lies about his intentions.
OTOH
If by "chasers," they have some retarded fantasy that they are only going to date guys who have no special interest in traps, but see them as exactly the same as all other females, they are fucking delusional. Some of the ones that go post-op or are planning to sound like this.
Until she explains what she means exactly, you don't really know what some transwoman is talking about when she complains about chasers. There are a lot more descriptions of them than the ones I listed.
71ca17 No.4894
>>4881Trans-attracted =/= Chaser
Chasers are largely fetishizers that usually break down like this:
1. The guy who wants to "experiment"
>I'm not a fucking science project2. The guy who will enter a 'relationship' but will try to hide it.
>I'm not a secret3. The 'it has always been a fantasy of mine'.
>I'm not a fucking daydream4. Guys who exclusively seek and date transwomen.
This doesn't just apply to you boys, I get this all the time from GGs as well.
There isn't a set list of do's or don'ts but generally a good rule of thumb would be to see us as women rather than transwomen I guess.
b242e7 No.4897
>>4884>Some of the ones that go post-op or are planning to sound like this.This, this is so true. Caiden Hall comes to mind here, I could never decide between if she was truly delusional or just a huge fucking cunt..
>>4894>Guys who exclusively seek and date transwomen.This might sound incredible to you but I actually find transwomen more attractive than genetic woman simply because that's how I feel and have always felt. It has nothing to do with fetish fantasies or whatever, genetic girls just don't interest me as much. It's like two sets of car keys, one which says 'Lada' and the other 'BMW'. It's just natural to choose the BMW isn't it? That's all there is to it for me/my preference, how would you classify that?
:) for good measure.
7f4720 No.4900
>>4894I'm this guy
>>4884 and your post shows both sides of mine.
#1-3 are excellent examples of the wrong type of chaser who doesn't want to commit and doesn't see you as a lover and human being.
#4 is from the "WTF" category. Maybe you didn't give it much thought, as you didn't go into detail. The
>Guys who exclusively seek and date transwomen.are going to be the ones
'least likely to do #1-3, because they decided that they prefer transwomen some time earlier, and have made peace with the fact that they are going to have to endure some weirdness from friends and family if they get into a committed relationship with one. That doesn't happen overnight, and frankly for 95%+ of the guys into traps, it probably won't happen at all.
That would be a good discussion at some point.It comes off as not too realistic.
Also, I agree fully with this anon
>>4897 430786 No.4904
>>4897OP here I agree this is how i feel. but im tolled im an ass by feminist for wonting a trans gf. butt they don't call gay women chasers
71ca17 No.4909
>>4897>>4900I understand your argument and guys who fall into 4 wouldn't automatically be 'chasers' I guess. It just depends. The guys who are into transwomen and think we should somehow be thankful and owe them something for that are ridiculous and that's what I was trying to get at I guess.
>I'm into transgirls and you should be thankful because you can't get any other guy.That is the line of thinking that is quite frankly hurtful and I refuse to humor it.
7f4720 No.4985
>>4909Yeah, that's a fair point. I wouldn't call that a chaser, but I don't see things from your side exactly, and I don't know what you have to deal with, good and bad, from men.
71ca17 No.4987
>>4985It's mostly good, the internet can be an asshole but welcome to the internet.
Guys and Gals are mostly just curious but usually very cordial in my experience.
I'm not a SJW or a Feminist so don't take this as a whine or 'muh oppression'. Just attempting to be candid.
d59aad No.5031
>>4881
>make disgusting bitchs our only option.So that's the reason they are shitting on "waifus" to…
Fucking money/resources stealoids!
c5881c No.5047
>>4904>listening to feminists>everThey're just butthurt that you want to have sex with somebody who isn't them. They secretly hate gay men for the exact same reason.
71ca17 No.5067
>>5047TERFs come up I think because as feminists do more and more to abandon or bemoan their femininity and transwomen fill in the void that's left; men won't have to deal with their bullshit.
One day in the future they'll have male-to-female surgeries were we can produce children. When that day comes feminists will lose their shit.
Transwomen do not bemoan their femininity; we largely revel in it and men love it. When we can produce children it'll be game over for feminism and any GGs that support it.
71ca17 No.5080
>>5067Countering sliding. We need mods in this forum.
430786 No.5124
bump
71ca17 No.5198
f755a8 No.5295
>>4894i made this image, just for you
goo job on missing the point you colossal retard
22b59b No.5298
>>5295She did clarify what she meant here
>>4909I added IDs again, as the poll was mostly in favor of having them, and I think it will make discussion a little easier to follow.
f755a8 No.5301
>>5298in that post she accepts that point 4 is retarded, but aside from the "im all you can get so be grateful" point (bear in mind she didnt say she retracts her previous points) she does nothing to address the rest of her original post, which was extremely fucking retarded.
22b59b No.5303
>>5301Honestly, I think you're reading some stuff into it that wasn't there.
If you follow transgenders talking about themselves, they do have an issue of being overly sexualized by a large number of men who don't treat them as they would treat any other woman they are interested in. Even apart from whiny SJW stuff and the fact that our whole society is built on victim culture, I don't think they are stretching the truth when they say this. A large number of guys want to fuck them, but the majority or vast majority of those guys couldn't deal with the social censure of being in a LTR with a trap.
I agree with you that the whole "tranny chaser" thing as a pejorative is bullshit. It either needs to be clarified as a particular & genuine problem like the one I just stated, or it should stop being a negative label.
I think a lot of transwomen use it as a way of describing really weird and pervy guys who express an interest in them and freak them out a little, but that is an issue that all attractive women have to face to varying degrees. Strippers will have a lot of similar stories.
71ca17 No.5304
>>5295>i made this image, just for you>Rehashed memeVery clever. I hope you didn't hurt yourself coming up with that bit of genius.
>goo job on missing the point you colossal retardUh huh.
>>4881>Why are trans women feeding in to this notion that men who like them are chasersTo which I gave you definitions on what a chaser is (albeit subjectively) and even separated them from trans-attracted.
Sorry Anon, 'chaser' is not a feminist ploy it is a archetype of male attitudes some individual men have about transwomen. Unless you think the shitty behavior of SOME men is a feminist conspiracy, then make your case.
>>5301>she didnt say she retracts her previous pointsAnd I absolutely stand by them. 1-3 are classic behaviors of chasers. Any transwoman beyond her 3rd month of transition will see them coming from a mile away.
So pic related and MOAR tantrums and cussing please, it really makes your genius shine.
>>5303>Honestly, I think you're reading some stuff into it that wasn't there.QFE.
f755a8 No.5308
>>5303he came of every bit as arrogant and entitled as the worst kind of woman, and showed zero capacity for understanding why it is they do what they do. i may not agree with their actions, but a "fuck you for being like this" shows he has about as much capacity for empathy as those who would have him locked in a mental asylum for being who he is.
>>5304>memei think you mean image macro
see the reply above, and the only one who did anything like throwing a tantrum here is you.
3d6752 No.5714
>>4884> If by "chasers," they mean guys who only want to fuck traps and never be in a relationship with them, This is the biggest issue in the trap world overall is the same situation as gay downlow (dl) culture. These days it's a bit easier, but at one point, to say or think you were gay aloud wasn't even a factor which led to guys sneaking around bathouses and parks and what not to get their nuts. This was the reason HIV spread the way it did in the 80's and 90's and later jumped to heterosexual couples since it was thought it couldn't be spread that way.
The DL culture still goes on with gays now and never stopped with traps. It's the reason STD's are prevalent and the reason some go crazy and kill themselves since they begin to view themselves as sex objects not actually finding love. Kinda funny when you look at feminists saying women are sex objects when traps are closer to being actual sex objects.
Don't get me wrong. There are obviously guys that want to openly date traps, but there aren't enough and by the time one actually finds one they've probably become jaded by the chads.
> mfw I say all of this and i'm probably part of the problem fucking trap hookers. 22b59b No.5716
>>5714I agree with everything you said, but I do think the chaser label is unproductive. It can alienate the one group of people who do genuinely want to date and be in an LTR with them.
I want to bring up something else that I think is relevant. Transwomen are, by and large, an emotionally fragile lot. You can look at the lives of many of them and different statistics, and it's pretty plain to see.
I'm speculating here, but I think one of the main differentiators with a lot of traps and how they do in life depends upon the relationships they get into. If they fuck around all the time, then you can expect them to lead lives similar to a typical prostitute and stripper. Drugs, alcohol, suicide attempts, lots of bullshit drama.
Bailey Jay is practically an archetype of the cool type of trap that's like a fusion of normal girl/normal guy. I think a big part of that is that she's married to some regular guy, and seems very loyal to him. You know she has gotten a ton of offers, probably from a few celebrities and wealthy people given the circles she travels in and her relative fame, but she sticks with her husband and limits her porn career to not doing stuff with other men.
She could sleep around with celebs, and constantly be dumped to the curb afterwards, and maybe wind up as a drug addict or something in her 40s. Instead, she knows to keep a stable relationship. In 50 years, her and her husband will be sitting on their porch in rocking chairs laughing about their old stories while many of the porn performers she knows will have OD'd or died of liver cirrhosis.
3d6752 No.5717
>>4881>>5716> but I do think the chaser label is unproductive. It can alienate the one group of people who do genuinely want to date and be in an LTR with them.It is and it already has done so with some. The whole relationship deal is very tricky with ts overall and an effort to try to differentiate those that are serious about an LTR and those that do not cannot work since most people don't know what they want for a while in general.
> I'm speculating here, but I think one of the main differentiators with a lot of traps and how they do in life depends upon the relationships they get into. If they fuck around all the time, then you can expect them to lead lives similar to a typical prostitute and stripper. Drugs, alcohol, suicide attempts, lots of bullshit drama.It's the same with regular women except in times past, inspite of fucking a bunch of guys and making questionable decisions they still had a good chance of roping some guy settling down with. It'll be interesting to see how that MGTOW stuff goes in about 10 years. Women are already getting worried and starting to complain. If enough guys hold out or look to traps in terms of LTR's, women will probably do the same as you mentioned only children will be involved. For traps, they don't get the kinda luck out for questionable decisions made in their youth women have historically maintained since men that are into traps typically won't openly date a trap.
> In 50 years, her and her husband will be sitting on their porch in rocking chairs laughing about their old stories while many of the porn performers she knows will have OD'd or died of liver cirrhosis.That's actually kinda sad. If you go through shemale stokers (especially shemaleyum) website, most of the ts girls you see are/were escorts. I don't think Bailey ever really had to whore herself out to make a buck like a Vanity or Danielle Foxxx. She's smart to stick with her guy, but she's also lucky to have found the guy at an early age and most likely having a family that was probably supportive of her decisions.
c1efcd No.5721
As a transwoman, Ill weigh in on this.
Simply put, chasers often like us for our dicks, not despite them. A lot of us have a problem with our dicks so when a guy is like "LET ME SUCK YOUR DICK AND THEN FUCK ME" its offputting. A normal guy who likes us despite being trans will often treat us better than chasers. A friend of mine dates chasers because shes kinda desperate and depressed, her relationships are almost always terrible in more ways than one.
Being a chaser is a mindset that almost is never good for us.
22b59b No.5723
>>5717>The whole relationship deal is very tricky with ts overall and an effort to try to differentiate those that are serious about an LTR and those that do not cannot work since most people don't know what they want for a while in general.This is very true. I'm quite independent, but it took me a long time to get used to the idea of being involved with traps, as I knew what was involved. I think a lot of people believe they can do it, but then they want to go as long as possible without people knowing, which would rightly be seen as a little cowardly by the trap who had to upend her own life to make her transition. It's hard to be the man and be an anchor in a relationship when you are less brave than her.
In fairness, most won't understand that this is fairly hard for men, as there is a weird dynamic to all of it. Most traps want guys who are straight - into traps and females - but guys who are straight generally dislike being seen as gay. If you come out as dating a trap, half the people you know will think that you're gay, and maybe a gay guy who can't quite come out of the closet. That's family, childhood friends, everyone in your life, some of whom will think that you're a gay guy who doesn't have the balls to just be gay.
I think it's arguably easier to be gay than this. People's mental images at least line up with what you're into.
Anyway, I know I could handle it, but I didn't reach that attitude overnight. It took a lot of thought and introspection.
f670d7 No.5729
22b59b No.5742
>>5721>Simply put, chasers often like us for our dicks, not despite them. A lot of us have a problem with our dicks It's really cool to have you posting here, but you sound like a transsexual, not a transgender. Probably every guy here is interested in transwomen who want to keep their penises, not ones that feel uncomfortable with them.
>so when a guy is like "LET ME SUCK YOUR DICK AND THEN FUCK ME" its offputting.I can understand that. A lot of guys into traps want to bottom, but many traps don't have much interest in topping. Still, it's not their fault that this is what they're into. It's just not the right match.
> A normal guy who likes us despite being trans will often treat us better than chasers.A high percentage of guys into traps view them as complete sex objects and not as human beings. Feminists have kind of wrecked the word "objectify," but that is what is happening. Some sexual objectification is fun, I know that as a guy and having experiences with women who had a single minded sex drive in the heat of the moment, but it gets old real fast if every potential love interest you meet can only do this.
There aren't a whole lot of traps in the world, or in North America. There also aren't a whole lot of guys who are 100% cool about openly dating a trap. If the two parties can meet, that's great.
If you want SRS, then your dynamic for meeting and finding the right men will be a little different.
142bed No.5750
>>4894none of those four things describe me, and yet my last gf basically called me a chaser when she dumped me
pretty much entirely because I like to do things with her penis
which she enjoyed
bitches be fucking cray
5e09cd No.5827
>>5742I dont necessarily wanna chop of my dick. But as the dysphoria increases it makes me more and more uncomfortable its very existence.
22b59b No.5862
>>5827I wish I had an answer for this. I wonder if hypnotism would cure it.
274916 No.5870
9e3ac5 No.5912
>>5721I'm bisexual and this is what kind of puts me off dating transwomen.
I love femininity, and I love penises, so a transwomen would be ideal for me, sexually. If I fall in love with a transgirl and she was unhappy with her penis and wanted to have the surgery, I would be resistant to that, and she might feel like she has to be unhappy with herself to keep me happy.
it reminds me a lot of chubby chasers actually.
So I just stick to cis girls and girly guys.
Is having a penis something that feels innately wrong to a transwoman, or is it a wider societal thing where the perception is that women can't have penises, and thats what fuels the drive to have the surgery?
Am I doing the right thing? I know I'm not god's gift to transpeople, but I'm fairly confidant that I wouldn't treat my hypothetical transgf any differently than I would a cis women. In the bedroom, I wouldn't particularly want to be buttfucked or gag on her cock, I just kinda like the look of a cock a lot more than a vagina.
3fb764 No.5915
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>>5912>Is having a penis something that feels innately wrong to a transwomanFor some of them, it is. I don't know if there is an exact term for it, as Gender Identity Disorder, Body Integrity Identity Disorder, and body dysmorphia may not apply to it precisely. The real point is that some people feel uncomfortable or even very uncomfortable with having a penis.
I know the purpose of this board is a positive outlook, but this is the one area of trans* that should probably be viewed as a mental disorder of some kind. It's one thing to feel that you are a woman and not happy as a man, so you work to become more feminine and present as a woman in life. That's a drastic change, but not completely removed from how people choose different appearances and actualize who they are in life. It reminds me a little of people I've known who were kind of lost in life, until they find some type of music scene or other community where they felt completely at home.
While that comparison might seem like a stretch, I feel that is more to do with societal bullshit than anything else. 60 years ago, becoming a beatnik or wearing your hair long could bring on discrimination by society.By contrast, feeling driven to cut off a significant body part because you don't feel comfortable with it is not healthy. It's
not necessary to present as a woman, be treated as a woman, and quite frankly any given woman is going to get 10x more interest from men as a pre-op than as a post-op, so it's not an advantage in the sexual marketplace. Fake pussies are a pain in the ass to take care of, and you have to use these dildo-looking dilators.
b242e7 No.5920
>>5721>Simply put, chasers often like us for our dicks, not despite them.So is that like a gigantic unredeemable personality fault to you? What if the best guy in the world likes you, and also happens to like you even more because you have a dick, would you just label him a chaser and show him away?
>If you like transgirls for their dicks then you're a chaser and most likely the devil himself. 22b59b No.5921
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>>5912>or is it a wider societal thing where the perception is that women can't have penises, and thats what fuels the drive to have the surgery? I honestly wonder if some of it is that. Hopefully that's less true now than it was.
I've gotten the impression in the past that regular women, and I don't mean feminists, but conventional TV talk show hosts or just random women, are somewhat intimidated by traps. It can be kind of summed up by the phrase that I've heard
>But you're going to be getting the surgery, right?A trap represents something a woman might not feel that she can compete with, much like women get intimidated by foreign brides.
A post-op is less threatening.
430786 No.5928
>>5920Yes so. much yes! BINGO.
c1efcd No.5932
>>5920Well, if many of us have an issue with our penis, and they want us FOR our penis, there is clearly a disconnect. They want what we dont want to be involved with.
Neither parties will be satisfied.
Lets not forget, a lot of chasers arent the best relationship material, they often dont want to date openly, dont want their friends of family to know, things like that.
Theres a reason a lot of the transwomen community avoids these types of individuals.
c0f7de No.5943
>>5932Here's the problem though, you're changing yourself in a way that fills a niche and then you're disregarding all the people that the niche appeals to for no good reason. You say that they're 'chasers', but can't the same be said for heterosexual men being 'woman chasers'? They pursue sexual relationships with people who appeal to them sexually.
So you either stay there in that state, rejecting the people that you do appeal to while wishing the people you don't appeal to would suddenly find you appealing. Or you go one step further and go post-operational, removing yourself from that niche, but by doing so losing the unique appeal that you had and rejoining the default model, and putting yourself at a huge disadvantage against competition from natural women.
I've got to say, it's no wonder the suicide rates are as high as they are, since a lot of you seem to refuse to accept that you can't have your cake and eat it too.
c1efcd No.5944
>>5943Chasers can be interested in our penises all they want, it will never change anything. There are men out there that are interested in transwomen and have no interest in dicks.
And thats why we will turn chasers away most of the time, we can get better. Why settle for someone who makes us uncomfortable when we can get a normal person who respects something so minor? We all have boundaries in the bedroom, our partners should respect those boundaries. And that goes for everyone, trans or not.
71ca17 No.5945
>>5932>Theres a reason a lot of the transwomen community avoids these types of individuals.The dick thing aside this is reason numero uno I stay away from chasers.
>>5944>Pic related abb856 No.5947
>>5944>>Men interested in transwomen w/o dickNo. Seriously no. Unless you can looks wise compete with real women (you are disadvantaged from the start) there is no reason to go post-op. Because
1. even if somebody is attracted to you, would they keep that attraction when they find out you were born male and can't have any kids?
2. The post-op surgery, unless done at a young age, is said to have deep psychological effects on people. The suicide rates sky high for a reason for transwomen.
c1efcd No.5948
>>5947Ive been with my boyfriend for two years and 3 months. Hes never once touched my penis. He started dating me only 3 months after I started transitioning.
You can explain your situation all you like, but it doesnt reflect reality. Chasers are not a great thing for us, any any number of "BUT YOU ARE BETTER WITH A PENIS FOR THESE REASONS" wont change anything.
3fb764 No.5949
>>5948You are a transwoman who doesn't feel comfortable about your penis. Hence, you should not be with a guy interested in your penis.
That is what is right for you. It is not what is right for most of the guys here.
>every other complaintHas pretty much been covered in this thread extensively. Guys not treating traps as human beings, guys wanting to hide their relationships, guys being weird and pervy, guys only interested in one night stands but who aren't honest about it, guys who only want to experiment or add sex with a transwoman to their list. We all get it. I'm guessing that most guys here aren't in that category. I'm certainly not.
>Ive been with my boyfriend for two years and 3 months.congrats
0a3923 No.5954
just let me suck your girl dicks already!!
97cab2 No.5970
I always feel conflicted about my attraction to transwomen. Not conflict in that I don't understand why I am attracted to them, or feel bad about being attracted to them, but conflicted because I know it is a very sexualized / fetish thing for me. That doesn't mean that I wouldn't want to treat anyone like they were less of a person or a walking sex object for my gratification but it makes me feel guilty about it. I have a few friends who are transwomen who have given me the advice of 'never talk about how passable they are, and treat them like a person' which seems to be self evident.
I have gotten to explore a few fetishes / fantasies that I have had with a different people and they have all been wonderful and we have always gotten along and ended up having fun. But I don't know, this particular one always makes me feel bad as a person for wanting to have the experience and share it with someone.
Ugh.
3fb764 No.5972
>>5970So do you feel weird in the sense that you could never see yourself in a relationship with a trap?
9631ec No.5981
Jesus Christ when did it turn into 4/lgbt/ in here? If you're genitally dysphoric, why the fuck are you on a trap board and not a trans support network?
9631ec No.5982
>>5981OK that came off rude, but what I mean is, why call yourself a trap if you hate your parts down there?
3fb764 No.5987
>>5981>>5982I'm thinking the same thing. It's nice to have all different perspectives, but holy shit.
898887 No.5990
>>5987It is one thing to not like using it with guys, but some of the posts here sound like full blown pre-op dysphoria.
3fb764 No.5992
>>5990
>sound like full blown pre-op dysphoria.I wish transsexuals who have genital dysmorphia happiness and luck, but there isn't a lot of overlap here with guys into traps, and the two parties just piss one another off.
Men don't have a lot of outlets in our society, as our desires come in 2nd or last place in most popular culture and media
especially if you're white or Asian Noise aside, anonymous image boards are one of the few environments where we can speak freely and
our desires matter. I'll listen to and acknowledge feedback so I can achieve those desires and be good to those I care about, but nobody should tell any of us that we're wrong for wanting what we want, or that we have to settle, when we don't.
>>5945>ramboThere is something so funny and forced about that image. :-)
898887 No.5993
>>5992Exactly my thoughts.
97cab2 No.5996
>>5972I feel weird because I know it is a fetish / sexualized thing for me. I can certainly be friends with a transwoman / trap, I in fact already have friends who are transwomen.
I could be friends with a trap, treat them well and not just like a sex object but like a person, I could even see myself in a short term relationship with a trap / transwoman. The thing is that I couldn't see it working long term, which makes me feel guilty about being interested in it in the first place.
026979 No.6025
>>5996Weird. Just give her hormones, housing, cute clothes and a person to lean on, and you have a loyal friend or even a good love. Don't be creepy; be nice and it is easy.
9bed57 No.6052
>>5932>Lets not forget, a lot of chasers aren't the best relationship material, they often dont want to date openly, dont want their friends of family to know, things like that.Where are you getting that information?
They way I see it, there are a certain amount of people who are attracted to transwomen.
Any significant selection of people is going to have a percentage of complete creeps.
You shouldn't use words like chaser to label people attracted to transwomen. It's insulting, and encourages the type of behavior you don't like.
Not only is there stigma on us from straight people, but there's stigma on us from transwomen too. If someone is stigmatized from every angle, they are going to repress those feelings, and want to hide their attraction even more.
being objectified is part of being a woman. To me, not enjoying having your penis being part of intercourse is like women not enjoying anal. It's something guys like, that girl's don't. In healthy relationships, it's probably not a deal breaker. Most men objectify people they find attractive. That isn't going to change. I might like it to, but I'm an enlightened feminist and if I can't stop doing it, I don't think most men can.
I also think a lot of guys just aren't educated about how transwomen might feel about their penis. If I was completely ignorant, I would assume that transwomen like having their cock sucked. Because women like getting head, and my experience with owning a penis tells me that I like having my cock sucked.
I'm just sick of this negative thinking. If someone behaves inappropriately towards you, either let them know why what they said was wrong, ignore them, or if it's something really bad call the cops.
Don't make up bogeymen like "chasers". You're going to make yourself and others miserable.
22b59b No.6060
>>6052>If someone is stigmatized from every angle, they are going to repress those feelings, and want to hide their attraction even more.Another outcome is they lose any interest in pursuing traps. Maybe they'll bang tranny escorts, but pursue a relationship? No way.
Most people on 8chan have probably already seen the Sexodus articles, but I'll link them anyway.
http://www.breitbart.com/london/2014/12/04/the-sexodus-part-1-the-men-giving-up-on-women-and-checking-out-of-society/http://www.breitbart.com/london/2014/12/09/the-sexodus-part-2-dishonest-feminist-panics-leave-male-sexuality-in-crisis/The author Milo Yiannopoulos puts it very well:
>And yet men are constantly beaten up over bizarre invented concepts such as rape culture and patriarchal privilege. The bizarre but inevitable conclusion of all this is that women are fuelling their own unhappiness by driving men to consider them as sex objects and nothing more, because the thought of engaging in a relationship with a woman is horrifying, or too exhausting to contemplate. Men are giving up on women across the board. Traps and traditional women who have a good attitude can do well in this environment, as a lot of men are so fucking sick of what the typical American female has become, and they are looking for alternatives.
>To me, not enjoying having your penis being part of intercourse is like women not enjoying anal. It's something guys like, that girl's don't. In healthy relationships, it's probably not a deal breaker.You know, I honestly couldn't deal with a trap who wasn't into me blowing her. I'm tired of female games, and would never date someone like that. Maybe there are guys out there who don't mind that, but I'm not that guy.
As you get older and more experienced, you think less with your dick and more in terms of protecting yourself from toxic people and awkward situations. Traps should do this as well. Avoid guys who are pervy and won't treat you with dignity.
9bed57 No.6069
>>6060>You know, I honestly couldn't deal with a trap who wasn't into me blowing her. I'm tired of female games, and would never date someone like that. How is that a game? Imagine you hate sounding, and every girl or trap just wanted to sound you? Are you playing a game at that point?
22b59b No.6071
>>6069>How is that a game?Well, it's not necessarily a game if the traps have genital dysmorphia, but it is reminiscent of female games.
Part of the attraction of traps is the notion of sexual compatibility. None of the "I'm not into oral/anal/doggy style" bullshit.
>Imagine you hate sounding, and every girl or trap just wanted to sound you? Are you playing a game at that point?There's a pretty big difference between an arcane fetish that most men would be squeamish towards, and basic sex like oral. Also, tit for tat. I'm not looking to put things in urethras either.
b242e7 No.6076
>There are men out there that are interested in transwomen and have no interest in dicks.
I expect that many of those are people who are just plainly attracted to transgirls(like many of us here) but are aware they will only be shunned by you(yes, you) as a chaser so they take on the guise of "Hey I like you and I know you are trans but I don't mind your dick". Did that ever enter into your thinking?
>Hes never once touched my penis.
And you think that's because he doesn't like/mind/care that you have it? A quick look at the trap threads on 4chan will show you that VERY many are into transgirls because of their dicks(not necessarily chasers, mind you) - but NOT into interacting with it.
Not trying to start a fight with you but like the words already mentioned here - you seem to demand having your cake and eating to. Perhaps even at the same time.
3e90b0 No.6440
>>4894
>>5304
71ca17 you're retarded.
>I'm not a fucking science project
Straw man much? I guess it's impossible for people to be unsure about their sexuality and try new things out, but fuck them for trying amirite?
>I'm not a secret
It's not like society at large has any qualms about sexual relationships outside of heterosexuality! It's not like I'm bi and also would like to hide any relationships I have outside of heterosexual ones because people are never judgy!
>I'm not a fucking daydream
You think being intimate with me would be a fantasy come true? FUCK YOU!
>>4900
the fuck are you talking about? How does 1. being unsure of your sexuality 2. aware of the social consequences of being different 3. actively thinking you are a fantasy come true, in any way come to the conclusion "doesn't want to commit and doesn't see you as a lover and human being"? The third one seems to be saying exactly that they see you as a lover and a human being.
3e90b0 No.6441
>>4894
Also #4 transwomen > real women any day of the week. I don't think the discrepancy matters that much for me personally but like >>4897 said it matters enough for them they would avoid real women.
65ca8f No.6462
Intense attraction to traps, but only want to cum inside their asses and mouths. I just wanna chase that ass. I'm a guy and you're ladies, guys blow loads in ladies, that's how it is.
22b59b No.6463
>>6440
You're focusing on the rhetoric and missing her point.
The big problem that most traps have is that a lot of guys want to fuck them, and then leave them as fast as possible. They are in a similar situation to the really slutty girl in high school that everyone fucks, but nobody wants to hold hands with in public and call their girlfriend.
Add in the fact that being a trap can be a lonely road, depending on personal circumstances, and most of them would be way happier and more stable in a settled relationship with a guy to lean on than fucking around like most modern women do in their teens and twenties.
3e90b0 No.6466
>>6463
Both of those are things people should watch out for regardless. Is that what their point was supposed to be?
3fb764 No.6468
>>6466
>Is that what their point was supposed to be?
I think it was most of her point.
We probably both agree that chaser is a bullshit word.
>Both of those are things people should watch out for regardless.
In fairness, traps have it way the fuck worse in this respect than the vast majority of women. Some of that may be their own stupid mistakes, such as a trap escorting and wondering why no decent guy wants to get in a committed relationship with her. Reality: Not many decent guys date any kind of prostitute.
A lot of the chaser stuff probably does not come from traps so much as
1. Transsexuals who don't feel comfortable with their dicks, as we've seen in this thread.
2. Transgenders who are really ugly/non-passable, and don't qualify as traps.
Both groups will have more than their share of issues with guys, unless they luck out early.
3e90b0 No.6469
>>6468
to be blunt those two types have the best chances with betas. Both of them having qualities that make it easy for society to shit on them makes them have a lot in common.
bc3f2a No.6472
>>4894
kek people really took the bait
9e4bf5 No.6486
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>Why are trans women feeding in to this notion that men who like them are chasers. and they shouldn't be with men who like trans women. is it a ploy by feminist to make disgusting bitchs our only option.
Because feminism is controlled by the Zionist Occupation Government and ZOG controlls everything via divide and conquer.
The Hormones are manufactured by ZOG.
Doctors are trained by ZOG.
Your insurance company is owned by ZOG.
do I need to go on?
22b59b No.6489
>>6486
Sounds like Israel owes the world some traps! And I don't mean another pop singer who had SRS, but a nice girl with a dick who you could take home to meet your mom.
And she can't look like Woody Allen!
edcbea No.6520
>>5714
>and by the time one actually finds one they've probably become jaded by the chads.
I honestly wouldn't want anything to do with a slut who will easily sleep with people after talking for like an hour. If they've fucked outside of a committed relationship, then they are worthless to me.
4f11c5 No.6682
>see us as women rather than transwomen I guess
What if I'm a gay guy but I like traps?
cb249d No.6785
I actually have a lot of anxiety that keeps me from seeking out transwomen. See, I, like some others, prefer them to genetic women. I like feminine features and all that. But…I just don't like vagina. And I also don't like men unless they're really feminine. SO I guess I see a transwoman as ideal. But I'm worried about being labeled a chaser. And also, I'd prefer to ind a non-op transwoman, but those seem hard to find. And it just fills me with an overwhelming sense of dread because I worry I'll never find what I'm looking for.
2584a2 No.6906
I swear I'm the anti-chaser. The number of trans women who have used me for sexual validation and dumped me at this point is mind blowing.
I continue to be attracted to a wide variety of genders, body types, etc, I don't necessarily want a committed relationship, but jesus fuck I am not a human dildo.
3fb764 No.6916
>>6906
At least that's a high-quality problem I hope
86dded No.8973
How common is it for traps or transwomen to keep information about their gender to themselves and those that need to know? I've had limited experience with anyone who's a trap or trans, but they all revealed that they were a trap/trans once they got to know a person well and were part of LGBT communities. If I was them I'd want everyone to view me as a woman unless they knew me from childhood or found out somehow.
I'd happily date someone who was a trap/trans, but I could only integrate them with my friends and family if they were introduced as a woman. I completely understand why a lot of people wouldn't want to do that, but that's the only way it would work for me.
My main questions are: is the approach from the girl's point of view common or are most open about their gender in close circles? Do my feelings on this make me a chaser?
55afa0 No.9095
>>6785
You almost perfectly match my feelings, except that I like femboys as well as traps. I like women, I just have no wish to have vaginal sex.
3d6752 No.9796
>>6520
Best of luck then friend and I hope you're young and you find the one early.
0fe138 No.10230
>>4881
chasers aren't men who like and want to date trans women, chasers are men who just want to fuck them and don't want a relationship, men who trans girls are just a fetish and allot of trans girls want a relationship not just a quick fuck so they're wary of these guys & they really talk to each other. I date a trans woman & before going on a date with a man they share his picture to get the info is this guy just a fetishist or does he really want something more.
b1a456 No.10280
>>10230
>men who just want to fuck them and don't want a relationship
but this happens too with straight people. what are one night stands?
its like some dude who wants to fuck some bbw just to see what its like, and probably because of some fantasy he has.
This very same things happens to every attractive person, not just trans.
fc81f0 No.10282
>>10280
It's way worse for traps than for your typical attractive natal girl. There are maybe 10x as many guys curious about traps as there are traps, but only a small percentage of them would be into it for the long-haul.
On another note, in the modern day, you have a lot of pretty young women who don't want to be in relationships, but would rather fuck around and keep all options open all the time. She thinks she could really like you, but oh, she just got an invitation to a party on a boat from this guy on Facebook, and that sounds like so much fun! She won't tell you this, but you won't hear back from her.
Men have a much higher sex drive, but they are also the true romantics.
befe2e No.10490
>>5862
>I wish I had an answer for this. I wonder if hypnotism would cure it.
Pimozide works. It halts gender dysphoria but the person's underlying femininity of mind (or masculinity in FtM's) remains.
Sadly, due to lack of continued research, it's an off-label prescription.
befe2e No.10491
>>6489
>a nice girl with a dick who you could take home to meet your mom.
That would be my dream date….. *sigh*
fc81f0 No.10492
>>10490
Pimozide sounds way too intense with a lot of side effects.
>It has a high potency compared to chlorpromazine (ratio 50-70:1). On a weight basis it is even more potent than haloperidol.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pimozide
The only study I could find involved only one person.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8839957
fc81f0 No.10493
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>>10490
Instead of heavy anti-psychotics, I wonder if there is anything with directed use of psychoactives, like mescaline or psilocybin mushrooms.
Think if you could remap your mind to accept your penis as part of you, through some type of shamanic/therapeutic process.
Or if you have BIID, any other part of your body that you don't feel is part of you.