/trap/ - Traps

Preop, yet full time here as well. I had some luck with Match (I just put that I'm TG as the first line in the description), and quite a bit from OkCupid.

Had a couple messages for Geek2Geek, but I didn't really like the vibe there. I might give them a go again.

About a date every other month on Match, and every month on OkCupid.

But Match is behind a bitch of a paywall. And OkCupid used my account in their "let's see if negative matches really are negative" algorithm test. Yeah, got an evangelical wanting to guilt trip me into a "gay away" camp… fun.

Wouldn't have been so bad if OkCupid wasn't so "what's the big deal?" about it. Pissed me off, so I deleted my profile.

Tried Adult Friend Finder (hey, they have a TG option. That makes them more TG friendly than most sites). Got lots of attention, but mostly for one night stands and/or affairs (of course). People wanted to cross of a trap off their bucket list I suppose. So probably stay away from those, unless you want sex. Then you'll get a bunch of messages (although not as many as a genetic girl).

trap here

how are the odds of getting a gf? Pretty much everyone here who isn't a trap is a dude and chans are the only place I've seen people who are attracted to traps.

>>7593

Just go to pride events, you'll have your pick of chapstick lezzies and butchies to choose from.

>>7603

Hmm that sounds like a great idea, I'm sure there's plenty in Seattle (about to move there)

>>7556

>There's a lot of common ground with any transwoman

What do transwomen and weakly-built transvestites have in common?

>>7694

Fucking nothing.

Transvestites are almost ALWAYS closeted gay men that go back to their male lives after getting their rocks off. Transwomen on the other hand go great lengths to be who they are which goes far beyond some makeup, outfit, and a wig.

>>7694

I was referring to the difference between transgenders and transsexuals. The difference is probably bigger for the men attracted to them than anything else.

>>7694

>transgenders are transvestites

gr8 b8 m8

>>7725

>fictionkin

What do you mean, I haven't seen any people who think they are some dragons or helicopters over here.

>>7728

Traps aren't transgender (assuming we're not using the trans* Tumblr cult definition), they live and identify as men. Just sissy bitch men with a transient case of the oh-so-hilarious autogynephilia. They're boys with bows and skirts.

And girls don't have penises. It's a made-up device popularised in fictions like anime. It has zero cultural or biological basis.

>>7730

What traps are you talking about? Many I've seen over the internet and even here are actually transgender and identify as girls.

And what kind of basis, you are not the "girls have vagina, guys have penises, everyithing else is a degeneracy" type of guy, do you?

>>7731

I'm saying that dickgirls have zero basis in reality. Huge difference between a dude who moonlights as a girl and someone who becomes the girl. I don't respect fetishists as women, but that's cool if they enjoy female impersonation.

…I don't even remember wtf this argument is about lol.

>>7868

What do you mean by "most Slavs"? How do you know what most of them look like compared to the most people of other ethnicities?

>>7870

I assume she means that characteristic roundheaded look that you see in so many Eastern Europeans, though it's obviously not limited to them. Thinking of Russian men, Vladimir Putin has it, as does MMA fighters Fedor Emelianenko and Oleg Taktarov.

There are older racial terms like Alpinid, Baltid, and Osteuropid, but usually nobody knows what you're talking about then. :-)

>>7870

You get used to phenotyping various human populations if you study them enough and know what to look for. Biology is pretty neat like that. Ofc there's always outliers in a group, especially after all the migrations and wars; but it's not really expedient to touch on every single fucking deviation from the archetypal population members.

Slavs have more Asiatic and Neanderthal features than Western Europeans. I'll leave it at that.

>>7874

>archetypal population members

You can't really pick an archetype model out of such divergent population, how would you define what that person is?

>Slavs have more Asiatic and Neanderthal features than Western Europeans

And your words are based on what?

They are part of the indo-european race, do you claim they are inherently asiatic, which is not really based on any genetical studies, or is it "hurrdurr mongol rape", which is not a real factor for the most part of slavs.

Neanderthal sounds even more absurd, even considering that some white supremacists actually consider it a good thing.

You don't sound like a person any proficent in genetics or biology, based on your words.

>>7878

It's because FInns are originaly from Uralic group and not Indo-European one, which is closer to the Asian one. There is a lot of various ethnical minorities living in Russia, some of which may also have interbreed with the original slavic population, so it may be included as part of statistics.

>>7876

It may be my personal subjective opinion, but I think slavic countries have the best looking grills in general, it's difficult to really compare the quality, I think every country have their 9/10 and 10/10, but definetly by quantity of >7/10.

>>7877

Right. It's been a long time since I studied this stuff at uni, so I don't remember all the proper terms and concepts. The migrations, mixtures, etc of the various Homo species, selective pressure events (eg Toba), all of that isn't fully sorted out by academia yet; in large part due to funding and publishing fuckery, because it's racist to be honest about some things. You've obviously a chip on your shoulder and an agenda. As I said, I don't care to to get into this topic precisely because of nitpicking shit-flingers like you. Go shove your sloped forehead in a book.

Also,

>genetical

kek

>>7875

My god, those pics… I'll never forget, my ex-wife was a very sweet and pleasant person. Then she started hanging out with her cunty coworkers, stereotypical modern whore types, and got a book titled something along the lines of, "How to Be a Bitch and Get What You Want." Perhaps not surprisingly it all went downhill from there. Huh.

I don't idealise women a bit. But I don't pay much attention to pop culture, either, and have lived in fairly conservative areas. I will say that, in my personal experience, I've noticed women are very often masters of deceit in interpersonal relations of any kind. Liars who shirk personal responsibility and lack loyalty. Very catty and can't leave good things alone. I hate that.

Most men IME just don't give a shit and are pretty chill and kind; but even when they do act up, they're usually just assholes and not causing any real damage. Anyhow, you've got me thinking. I've seen *a lot* of situations in which the woman is supporting the man, who just doesn't care about keeping down a job or managing the household affairs. The rise of PUA isn't healthy, either. So maybe it's just particular to the region I'm in. It's not wise to paint the entire world based on direct personal experiences so I've refrained from taking a stance so far. Hope you can understand. If I may go /pol/ for a moment, I do think our culture has been under assault for decades.

Vid related, a woman goes undercover as a man and sees that men are actually a lot nicer and genuine than women.

And for like the declining marriage rate, I don't think the blame should be squarely on women. 8ch's userbase, notwithstanding. We've been getting economically fucked, too. Wages have been stagnating. It's harder to support a family, which is why we see a lot of dual-income households. Both sexes are hurting, and respond in ways relevant to their gender role and immediate environement.

This conversation could go on forever so I'll stop there, for now. On the firearms, I was introduced to them at a young age. I find that stuff fascinating, I like tinkering with things, and have zero desire to be an operator or fighter of any sort. It sounds cool but doing it isn't for me unless I really, really had to. Necessity is a bitch ;D

>>7884

>ask to provide sources on absurd claims

>not a single source, calls me nitpicking shit-flingers with an agenda and a slopped forehead

You sure showed me, lad. Go tell your non-scientific nonsence and fairytales about your degree to someone else. It's your problem that you get mad when someone points out your ignorance on the subject.

>>7885

I'm not mad, I just don't care like you do. I didn't intend to argue about genetic makeup, anyhow, just saying I dislike certain features found in certain populations. I was vague on purpose, you autist. Is that difficult to understand? You're the one with a stick up your ass and obviously care about winning some sort of argument that you alone want to start. I dunno wtf your problem is but I'm not fiddling with it. Start shit with someone else who's invested in this subject.

>>7885

She was pretty much correct. I don't know about Neanderthal ancestry, but the latest studies show that Asians have a little bit more of than whites do, so any white group that has more Asian would likely have more Neanderthal ancestry. While the difference is I'm sure completely irrelevant, there was some basis to her statements.

Also, stop being so fucking PC. Being able to speak with relative freedom is a big part of what makes image boards rewarding.

>>7886

Well, even if you say so, you definetly sound mad.

If you don't want to have a discussion I'm not forcing you, but you provoked it after all. You said Slavs have asiatic and neanderthal features, I asked you to provide a source of such quite silly from the scientific point of view statement, you didn't and started calling me things. Too bad, I guess. It's not like I even give a shit who do you like or dislike.

>>7888

>Also, stop being so fucking PC

What's PC about that, that I don't say nigger every sentence or what?

>>7884

>I'll never forget, my ex-wife was a very sweet and pleasant person.

>married and now transitioning

I wasn't expecting that. Anything you want to share would be of interest.

>>7888

IIRC the first breakout paper on Neanderthal gene spread said something like 3% of the population average. I forget how they phrased it. This was misconstrued and popularised to mean that all populations had some Neanderthal genes, which smacks of #onercethehumanrace we're-all-the-same wishful thinking; when in fact some populations have higher concentrations (particularly the Caucasus region and its surrounding areas west of the Black Sea and south into West Asia) and some have pretty much none (notably Subsaharan Africa). Thousands of generations of genetic drift and admixture tends to shuffle things up. Some pockets within larger populations genetically isolate themselves, as well, and resist overall gene influxes within their region.

Paleoanthropology is very interesting and very crazy. As dipshit dutifully pointed out, this isn't my field so don't take all of this as hard truth. Politics also plays a huge role in claimed genetic identity by extant groups. Like that movie in which a character says that Sicilians have "nigger blood" or whatever he said. I'm sure that pisses off any Sicilian! So I'm somewhat inclined towards the possibility that the dude bitching about Slavic heritage may in fact be a slav, since he didn't care about the other groups mentioned, and is therefore, subconsciously or not, pushing one of those identity agendas. "I'm not X because I believe X is primitive." I don't really care. I just wish we could pursue this stuff honestly and accurately, without any social bullshit.

I guess my overall point is that human genetic history and attendant phenotypes are not only a very complex, less-than-satisfactorily understood subject, they are also very contentious and divisive to public sensitivities. There's a reason why caricatures of other races are now verboten, like fat-lipped Afroids and slant-eyed Orientals (I think Oriental actually is now a no-go word lol). I believe the same fundamental reason is why we can't look at our genus honestly.

>>7894

derp, forgot to adress your East Asian point. IIRC East Asians are mostly Denisovan with a bit of Neanderthal, the group in the main continent (not the islands) underwent very intense environmental pressures during a cold period. Thus the prevalence of stocky, fatty bodies, a flat nose, epicanthal folds, increased intelligece etc. These are features better able to withstand extreme cold and precarious environments eg food uncertainty.

>>7893

I wouldn't know where to start, what are you curious about?

>>7895

Your earlier post was pretty accurate, but this one is a bit off. Only a few human populations show signs of Denisovan ancestry, primarily Melanesians and Australian aborigines.

Our knowledge of the Denisovans is very scanty. All we have of them is a finger bone fragment and a couple of teeth. Denisovans also have heavy admixture with Neanderthal.

There is an archaic African hominid that we don't have anything for or even a name for, but it appears to have interbred with some African populations about 40,000 years ago. The Pygmies, San, Hadza, and Sandawe all have this. I don't believe any of it has been found or at least verified with the majority of Africa's population.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archaic_human_admixture_with_modern_humans

>>7896

How long have you wanted to transition? Did the urge to do so grow over the years?

>>7897

I don't know that I'd fully trust Wikipedia given that this is a politically-charged topic. I'm actually surprised it mentions that southern Africans are quite un-evolved relative to the groups that migrated. Last I heard it's believed they're Heidelbergensis and/or Erectus. Apparently it's possible that they're a mixture of Homo and pre-Homo genes, and/or a more distant relative came back from Asia and interbred with [some Afroid population]. Just theories, so far. Or hypotheses, if you insist. There's also theories that state that the first modern-ish Homos arised in the Fertile Crescent, maybe as a backlash against Afro-Centrism. Or maybe not accepting the Afroid apes of that time as Homo, I don't remember. It gets difficult trying to juggle and differentiate and name all these populations in different places and time. It's fun to think about but I wouldn't take anything as solid yet.

>>7898

Holy shit, dude. Give it up.

==Features==.

Slavs have ==features== of x.

==Features== that we commonly associate with x.

I have preference against those ==features==.

If you don't know what Asiatic means then look it up. It's a term meant for literary works, not science.

Your map doesn't mean shit, either. Genes migrate. Although "pure" Neanderthals might have lived in those areas, their genes can travel far further through their incporporation into other groups.

>>7899

I'm saying this because I looked it up and it doesn't confirm your words.

But well, If you want to cling to your beliefs and see what you want to see, I guess I'll give up.

>>7899

>I don't know that I'd fully trust Wikipedia given that this is a politically-charged topic.

Although I know what you mean, this particular topic is arcane enough that it's pretty straightforward.

>There's also theories that state that the first modern-ish Homos arised in the Fertile Crescent

That I don't know enough about, but there are two main human origin theories. The Out of Africa theory, which is probably the most solid, and the Multi-Regional Theory.

There seems to be a partial merger of the two theories going on when you look at Denisovans and Neanderthals.

This video is really illuminating as well. It shows that there were archaic hominids as recently as 13,000 years ago in Africa:

http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-14947363

>>7900

Enough.

>>7897

Looong story :) Complicated. I always felt something was amiss. I didn't even know transsexualism was a thing until I was like 20, and basically kept it in the back of my mind for years. But I had a sort of admiration or connection or something reading about it. It just didn't click until I was about 23-24.

So like when I was teenager I was very envious of women busting out with curves, and felt like I was just turning into a monster, physically. Among other things. Very painful period. I don't particularly like to recount all my emotional history, sorry. But like I said, at that time I had no idea that trans was a thing and I had no idea what to make of my feelings. I never talked about them with anyone. I'd always been naturally feminine, even when I tried to act like a guy somehow it didn't ever come out properly and still acted and talked like a girl. Got made fun of a fucking lot, obviously.

I did learn a fair bit about being a man, I was considered very handsome, yadda yadda; but it was painful and simply not right. I got along very well with women and understood them a lot more. I didn't have the same feelings as men, I felt. I was straight, too, heh; dunno how I navigated that one. I tried, though.

There's no easy way to succinctly reconcile my entire history regarding this issue. I never retconned my past to make everything fit the trans narrative, either; I'm not that dumb. But obviously it bothered me enough that I decided to take the well-deliberated plunge. When I was about 24 I had noticed some new physical changes I was none too happy about. Actually they bothered me immensely. Don't care to say exactly what, other than men have spurts of masculinisation after puberty. So I threw myself into research and such trying to figure out what to do about the transitioning question, finally seriously considering it.

My ex and I had already divorced before I made the decision, and I didn't consider it while we were married. I don't think it much impacted our relationship, although my feminine bents did rear their head from time to time (along with the due course of getting laughed at by her) but I kept it pretty well under wraps. We're both pretty normal, quiet, gender-conforming people. I was never a crossdresser, into gender-bending (think Rocky Horror), the gay scene, or any of that. Still am not. She knows I've transitioned and knows what I look like now but we haven't seen eachother in person since I went full-time, nor discussed it much other than some issues that negatively impacted her self-worth and people being dicks to her. I don't think she ever wondered beforehand, although she's remarked at how affectionate and caring I always was. We'd read Cosmo in bed together with our cat :3 After her family found out, her mom was like "I knew something was up!," being cheeky, and the men in her family were like "I'm gonna kill that faggot, I knew it!" kek.

So I went bi for a while (typical with HRT, although lesbianism is very high among MtFs because of testosterone's influence on the brain), sometimes liking both, sometimes strictly one or strictly the other, and now I'm straight, again, as a woman. More on that, maybe.

I'm a lot happier this way.

it must be the BPA XD

>>7902

Thanks for sharing this, it was interesting to read & gives me a good idea of where you're coming from.

>So I went bi for a while (typical with HRT, although lesbianism is very high among MtFs because of testosterone's influence on the brain)

My impression was that a lot of MtFs start off as transbians and within a year or two of hormones they are primarily interested in men.

>>7904

Yup, welcome.

For reasons I'm not entirely sure, sex steroids influence brain structure and function. Not just for sexual preferences. I can't tell you if more transwomen start out as gay or straight men, though. I've honestly no clue.

I think I became a straight (again) because of parts estrogen, my own will, and social influence. IME women are a lot more hateful and just straight up cunts to transwomen than men are. Maybe it's a subconscious sex competition thing, or women are just too quick to judge. Don't really care, but I learned real quick to not bother with them. I'd much rather date men for many reasons and not just my personal experience. For one I just don't feel right being a lesbian. I don't like that culture and don't get along with many people in it. I'm fairly traditional. Being transgender and being a normal person not insulated within the LGBT or some other weird scene has its challenges, for sure. Mate selection is a huge one. So is ideological agreement.

There I go rambling again >) Heh it's hard to find anyone to talk about such things rationally without someone losing their shit, in either direction, so thank you.

Maybe this is just me living in USA, but things feel so polarised and made into simplistic caricatures. Rigidly-packaged belief and behaviour systems. It's difficult to relate.

>>7906

>I think I became a straight (again) because of parts estrogen, my own will, and social influence. IME women are a lot more hateful and just straight up cunts to transwomen than men are.

Women are simply more work/less nice people than men are. Maybe 50-100 years ago, the pluses and minuses of men and women balanced out. Today, not so much. If I were bi, I would put nearly zero effort into women and focus exclusively on men.

Here's a brilliant clip by the late Greg Giraldo comparing men and women in relationships.

>>7936

I know some of you like to throw words around here, but what do you guys even mean by Neanderthalish phenotype? Like what traits define that? And how it's different from a cro-magnon phenotype for example?

>>7947

tbh the guy on the picture also has a low eyebrow line with insert eyes and a big jawline

>>7947

Who is that handsome devil?

>>7943

https://archive.is/XfjMo

/pol/ thread about neanderkikes

You only care about one thing ITT: proving that Slavs are not associated with any previously extant hominids (hint: they all are). Go to a Cyka Cyka Blyat forum if you wanna get jerked off.

>>7948

And you're not going to shut the fuck up until everyone starts worshipping you and calling you master race Homo sapiens omega omega with completely foetal features.

More like foetal alcohol syndrome. That's actually a decent description for Slavs. Now you have your simplistic answer.

>>7965

That image you posted could be correct too. In both cases, there is a wide lower jawline that sweeps back gradually.

That computer generated image is so much like a typical European male that it really doesn't stand out at all, plus it has a slight double chin. The Pelous pics were of a physical type that shows some ways in which Cro-Magnon would look distinct from modern Europeans. Overall, the differences are pretty minor.

>>7951

funny you mention Ron Perlman looks like a caveman. He actually played one in the 1981 flick "Quest for Fire" - good movie.

>>7968

Rae Dawn Chong is naked in it - win-win.

>>8112

But anon, girls don't have penises.

>>7970

>2015

>still having yellow fever

>>9101

>2015

>you're still an ass who jumps to conclusions