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/ttgg/ - TellTale Games General #49 Anonymous 03/07/15 (Sat) 00:20:48 No.17206[View All]

Back to the Future Edition

Previous Thread: >>16878

Previously on Telltale Games General…
>DJ posts a drawing with a misleading filename
>Discussion about abusing Clementine…
>Anon comes tantalizingly close to lucid dreaming
>Anons watch Back to the Future
>Anons discuss watching Classic movies with Clem
>DJ posts a greentext story about an entire lifetime with Clem
>DJ posts a greentext story about Easter with Clem
>Anons talk to depression anon
>Anons discuss FireWatch
>Anons worry that they'd be bad fathers
>Anons discuss what Clem's YouTube channel would be about
>SFManon gets drunk again
>A newbie complains about our fatherly feelings towards Clementine
>Some Borderlands discussion
>Anon posts his drawing of Clem
>Anons discuss how well Christa took care of Clementine
>Anons continue to prove their love for Clementine

Things to discuss… New questions are marked by an asterisk
>What did you think of episode 2 of GOT if you've played it?
>Why is telltale too lazy to make your choices matter in GOT?
>Will they finally make them matter in future episodes?
>When are we gonna get some god damn nudity in this game?
>When do you expect the new Borderlands episode to be released?

Thread Theme Question…
>Did you play Telltale's BTTF game? What did you think of it if you did?

Polls… Also post polls for questions you want to see
>http://strawpoll.me/2980727 What future game are you most excited for?
>http://strawpoll.me/2674302 I am a…
>http://strawpoll.me/2674292 Worst group
>http://strawpoll.me/2729726 /ttgg/ age
>http://strawpoll.me/2735107 (With Lee) http://strawpoll.me/2735116 (Without Lee) Who do you miss the most?
>http://strawpoll.me/3005015 Do you like Clementine's shirt or jacket more?

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Anonymous 03/08/15 (Sun) 22:57:14 No.17531

>>17529
>Hey now, that's not very polite.
JEEZ I'M SORRY MOM

Anonymous 03/08/15 (Sun) 22:58:07 No.17532

>>17529
Photorealistic is almost universally illegal.

But 3D loli, be it SFM or anime-ish, is the grey area. Some states allow it, some don't, some have no law on it at all. Hotwheels keeps it generally unallowed though to avoid trouble.

Photorealistic though I agree should NEVER be posted. Anywhere. Ever. Fuck that.

>>17530
>shit person

People say that a lot about Jane.
Never do they provide reasons why.

Anonymous 03/08/15 (Sun) 22:58:54 No.17533

>>17532
>People say that a lot about Jane.
>Never do they provide reasons why.
Are you fucking serious right now?

Anonymous 03/08/15 (Sun) 22:59:58 No.17534

>>17533
In this thread alone there's been, what, 10 anti-Jane posts and insults thrown at people who like Jane?

None of those posts had any reasons or back-up to them.

Anonymous 03/08/15 (Sun) 23:01:28 No.17535

>>17534
because everything's been said.
For months, sSeveral generals were filled with nothing but Jane vs Kenny arguments! there's nothing else to add to that unless you're a newfag and missed all that.

Anonymous 03/08/15 (Sun) 23:02:21 No.17536

>>17532
>People say that a lot about Jane.
I said that about Lilly. Tricking a pro-Lilly Lee and leaving him and Clementine stranded with the people who he antagonized for her sake would be why.

As for Jane, it's her hypocrisy/lack of self awareness and her being manipulative and selfish. Also the very reasonable theory that she wanted to murder Kenny in self-defense and not just "show what he is capable of".

Anonymous 03/08/15 (Sun) 23:03:07 No.17537

>>17535
>there's nothing else to add to that unless you're a newfag and missed all that.
You don't even need to have been there for the fights to know. The endings themselves show why Jane is shit.

Anonymous 03/08/15 (Sun) 23:03:08 No.17538

>>17535
>kenny vs. jane arguments

Yes, arguments. There are plenty of reasons to hate or love both characters, but remember that characters generally act based on your choices.

Being nice to Bonnie makes the difference between her wanting to shoot you and her being terrified when you're shot, for example.

Not many highly-interactable characters have the exact same personality regardless of your own dialogue choices.

For that reason, not many characters can really be universally hated or universally loved.

Anonymous 03/08/15 (Sun) 23:03:33 No.17539

>>17534
Off the top of my head? More manipulative than anyone else in the group, always down to let people die (including Rebecca who is fucking pregnant), abrasive and wildly combative, and a fucking idiot. I'm sure someone could add more.

Anonymous 03/08/15 (Sun) 23:04:44 No.17540

>>17536
>manipulative and selfish
>literally 95% of the adults in the game are manipulative and selfish
>only lee, jane, and kenny ever seem to actually care more about clementine's safety than themselves

Also wanted to murder Kenny because he was mentally unstable as all hell and could snap at any time, which he did before plenty of times, to Clem and to Lee.

>>17539
>down for letting people die

Survival of the fittest.

Anonymous 03/08/15 (Sun) 23:06:01 No.17541

>>17540
Even if it was "the good choice in that particular situation" in your opinion, it doesn't absolve her of it just being a shitty thing to do.

Anonymous 03/08/15 (Sun) 23:07:37 No.17542

>>17541
Everyone's done shitty things. It's a world full of man-eating monsters and human monsters both wanting to rip you apart. You do shit things to survive.

Plus, she turned out to be right. If Kenny thought A.J. was dead, he'd go into a murderous rage, possibly on Clementine, possibly on others.

Whether a shitty thing to do or not, Jane was right. Kenny and A.J. were detrimental to Clementine's chances of survival. Welcome to the post-apocalypse.

Anonymous 03/08/15 (Sun) 23:09:04 No.17543

>>17541
for me, Clementine's reaction is telling enough.
When you decide to leave Kenny for what he did, is heartbreaking for both you and him. Even Clementine herself says she doesn't want to leave, but she has to.
When you decide to leave Jane behind Clementine is furious. She questions and insults (determinant) Jane for what she did.

Anonymous 03/08/15 (Sun) 23:09:07 No.17544

>>17538
Jane left a baby unattended in a car during a blizzard with zombies around, and then proceeded to intentionally mislead Kenny into thinking the baby was dead in order to provoke a violent reaction from him.

Personally, I think this is morally reprehensible. But that's just my opinion and if you don't think so, I respect that.
Just know that you're wrong

However, I'm still of the opinion that the whole Kenny vs Jane encounter was incredibly contrived, and really only occurred because of Breckon's shitty writing. He's the one we should be pointing fingers at, really.

Anonymous 03/08/15 (Sun) 23:10:07 No.17545

>>17542
Jane was a fucking moron who put AJ in danger to prove a point. Of COURSE Kenny flipped out, it was her fault for doing what she knew would push him over the edge. It's her own fault she got killed (determinate). I'm not here to defend Kenny, that is a totally different conversation, but saying Jane isn't a bad person is completely insane. She shouldn't have even been in the final choice.

Anonymous 03/08/15 (Sun) 23:10:41 No.17546

>>17540
>Survival of the fittest.
If that's her philosophy, which it is, she can't go around criticizing Kenny for "being like Carver". And if she's so against brutality, she should probably refrain from shooting dicks off and feeding people to walkers. See what I mean about her being a hypocrite?

As for the whole manipulation thing, I'm not really seeing it. The only people who concocted crazy, manipulative schemes were Jane, St Johns and the Stranger. She's not exactly in good company.

Jane does care about Clem. But she wants her for herself, because she can't be alone anymore, because the whole Jaime thing is clearly still eating her up inside. She wants a do-over and would do anything to get it.

Kenny is unstable, but her scheme doesn't exactly comes across as the height of emotional stability and reliability.

Anonymous 03/08/15 (Sun) 23:10:56 No.17547

>>17542
>If Kenny thought A.J. was dead, he'd go into a murderous rage, possibly on Clementine, possibly on others.
Nigga, Clementine murdered Sarita in front of Kenny and all he did was yell,. There's no way Kenny would hurt Clementine on purpose, he loves her a lot you know? she's the last link to everything he once loved and cherised after all.

Anonymous 03/08/15 (Sun) 23:13:05 No.17548

>>17542
>if Kenny thought A.J. was dead, he'd go into a murderous rage, possibly on Clementine
He doesn't kill her if she butchers his gf right in front of him. She's probably safe.

However, what if Clem got seriously hurt, or sick? Do you think Jane would nurse her back to health? I'm not so sure she would.

Anonymous 03/08/15 (Sun) 23:14:22 No.17549

>>17548
No, she wouldn't. She'd be all "I'm leaving, bye!" or just kill her. Jane only cares about anyone as long as it's convenient or profitable for herself.

Anonymous 03/08/15 (Sun) 23:15:25 No.17550

>>17544
Clementine's reactions again are based on a lot of stuff. You can make Clem hate Kenny in most of Season 2 if you want.

The devs really pushed Kenny as a god among men though, similar to how something like Saints Row pushes Johnny Gat.

Forcing characters to like someone doesn't mean everyone likes that character.

>>17545
>>17544
>>17546
>>17547
>killing sarita because she's bitten

That's different from the baby dying. When he thought the baby died, he goes batshit berserk. You can't deny that.

And who really cares about the baby anyway? Seriously, put yourself in the shoes of someone in the post-apocalyptic world. You have barely any food, psycho humans could be anywhere, vicious zombies in numbers uncountable want to devour you. Would you really want to take care of a newborn? I wouldn't.

Morals are morals, but morals don't mean anything in the face of a worldwide apocalypse. You've got to be realistic if you want to survive properly. Not brutal like Carver, no, fuck him, but still realistic and smart about your actions.

>>17548
>clem falls into a freezing river while trying to help luke
>jane immediately rushes to help her despite there being breaking ice and zombies
>jane takes her in and warms her up
>stays by her side until she wakes up and makes sure she's ok

Anonymous 03/08/15 (Sun) 23:19:49 No.17551

>>17535
There's been a lot said about what the character's have done and said, but there's not much talk about the writing of these characters or why they were written the way they were.

>>17538
>For that reason, not many characters can really be universally hated or universally loved.
They can be badly written or mishandled, though, which happened a lot this season is the reason the S2 cast is so weak and dull. Even Kenny, one the comparatively more well-rounded and interesting characters, was underwritten and mishandled compared to his S1 incarnation. The whole season was just a clusterfuck of bad characterization and missed opportunities.

Anonymous 03/08/15 (Sun) 23:20:01 No.17552

>>17550
> Seriously, put yourself in the shoes of someone in the post-apocalyptic world

Ok, put yourself in Kenny's shoes. The dude has lost fucking everything, he has put all of his hope into keeping Clem and this dumb fucking baby safe. The guy is on his last fucking leg just trying to get these kids to Wellington. Jane was wrong for forcing a bad situation and then saying "Look what an asshole Kenny is." She never let up, it's her fault he snapped. They would have been fine if she had just shut the fuck up.

There was nothing smart about what Jane did. Also, TellTale tried their hardest to make Kenny look like a nutjob, not pushed him as a god among men.

Anonymous 03/08/15 (Sun) 23:20:40 No.17553

>>17549
>Jane only cares about anyone as long as it's convenient or profitable for herself.

I wouldn't go that far, but she wasn't in a rush to help Clem before Clem "proved her worth". She's a darwinist, she can care, but she will cut her ties if she feels that the odds are against you.

If anything, she might abandon Clem to spare herself of the trouble she already gone through once before. Kenny would stay to the bitter end. Maybe that makes him a shittier survivalist, but he's still the person I'd rather have my back for that very reason.

>>17550
I was thinking more along the lines of, seriously sick or hurt, like, immobile. Broken legs, getting impaled like Joel from The Last of Us. Shit like that. Pulling someone out of the water is very different from caring for them for months.

Also, given that you're happy to see a baby die, I fail to see your issues with Carver. What makes him worse than Jane?

Anonymous 03/08/15 (Sun) 23:22:41 No.17554

>>17550
>killing sarita because she's bitten
She got bitten because she was saving Clem. She got super bitten because Clem hacked off her arm.

Unless Clem strangles the child for the lulz, I don't see Kenny putting his hands on her.

Anonymous 03/08/15 (Sun) 23:24:59 No.17555

>>17551
A lot of people also forget this too.

Sure, Jane has some poor parts for sure, but remember that in the eyes of many fans S2, while not outright bad, was a major step down from S1 in quality. Everything was more poor right now.

>>17552
No, they pushed us to care for him quite a bit. Everything was rushed in Ep5, especially the endings. Except Kenny's.

>>17553
If Jane refuses to abandon her nigh-useless sister out of care until she realizes her sister only wants to die, then I doubt she'd leave Clementine.

I never said I'd be happy to let a baby die either. I said that, if I were in a legitimate Walking Dead situation where every day meant almost certain death, and every time you survive you're only delaying the inevitable, then yes, I'd care about my own life more than a newborn who'd be nothing but a burden.

If you're in a team-based race, would you rather have the tall, muscular, athletic person to be your partner, or the sickly, short, asthmatic person to be your partner?

>>17554
Got bitten because saving Clem? I don't remember that, all I remember of that scene is a zombie grabbed her and chomped on her wrist. Clem could either hack off her wrist or kill the zombie.

Anonymous 03/08/15 (Sun) 23:26:43 No.17556

>>17550
>The devs really pushed Kenny as a god among men though
I really don't think so. He just seemed like an asshole during a lot of Season 2.

Also, you raise a good point about Jane helping Clem after she falls in the river. This is why I say the whole encounter at the end of S2 feels really contrived. Every single person involved is out of character, and it all reeks of writing specifically crafted to get a rise out of players, not writing that intelligently plays on the subtle aspects of the characters they developed throughout the season. S1 was great in this regard, its ending was a huge payoff for all of the character development between Lee and Clem. S2 not so much. There was like 2 episodes total of character development between Jane and Kenny, not nearly enough to make a meaningful decision on.

Anonymous 03/08/15 (Sun) 23:27:03 No.17557

>>17555
Whatever, it doesn't matter what anyone says or how many times we have this stupid fucking argument. There's always going to be people defending that dumb cunt, I'm so tired of having this conversation. I wish they'd just retcon all of s2.

Anonymous 03/08/15 (Sun) 23:30:17 No.17558

>>17556
>S2 feels really contrived

I can fully agree with you for all of that point. S2 itself didn't feel half as good as S1 to me, and the writing/characterization were a major part of that. Even though I liked Jane a lot, I still didn't care about her as much anyone I cared about in S1.

>>17557
Here's a cup for your tears. Fill 'er up.

Anonymous 03/08/15 (Sun) 23:32:40 No.17559

>>17558
I gotta agree with him. If there's anything I've learned after n+1 Kenny vs Jane arguments, it's that you'll never convince the other side.

Anonymous 03/08/15 (Sun) 23:33:19 No.17560

>>17555
>Got bitten because saving Clem?
And Sarah, yes. She got in there saving them from the walkers.

>If Jane refuses to abandon her nigh-useless sister out of care until she realizes her sister only wants to die, then I doubt she'd leave Clementine.
That was then. Now she hatches a plot to kill a man she considers to be mentally ill, she is happy to leaver a panicking girl to die, potentially leaves Clem to die and suggests abandoning a pregnant woman… She doesn't fill me with confidence, especially not after her lies.

In a team based race, I'd want to be with someone who would stay by my side and help me up when I stumble. Even if they aren't the fittest one in the bunch.

I was unfair to suggest that you'd be happy to see the baby die, I'm sorry about that. But the thing is, you have to look out for people around you in those situations. If you don't, no one will be there to help you when you need it. I'd rather die than get to a point where I'm abandoning children and I'm not exactly a saint either. But there has to be a line.

Anonymous 03/08/15 (Sun) 23:41:39 No.17561

Say what you may, but I miss this TTGG. I'm sick and tired of the autisstic hugbox this community has become. So this is refreshing and it encourages me to stop lurking and post more often.

Anonymous 03/08/15 (Sun) 23:47:38 No.17562

>>17561
>calls community autistic
>can't even spell autistic

Anonymous 03/08/15 (Sun) 23:48:53 No.17563

>>17561
Too bad, anon. Maybe you should go back to halfchan, you seem to belong there. I like it here.

Anonymous 03/08/15 (Sun) 23:49:46 No.17564

>>17561
Agreed. I was pretty sour after TT's forum became a complete cesspool. I figured I was one of the few non-moronic Telltale fans left until I came here.

>>17560
She doesn't leave Clementine to die anywhere that I know of. If anything, she risks her life several times for her, more than anyone at the cabin ever did and more than Kenny had. That's not to say Kenny didn't do the same, but still, Jane seemed very eager to be nigh-suicidal (like charging onto the river) just to save Clem. Though if you're calling us autistic, then you can kindly fill up the tear mug too.

And you may say that now, but it's like the old allegory of "die free, live enslaved". Most people when asked will say "I'll die free!", but in reality, most of us would rather live. In a nightmare scenario like TWD, I think most of us, if we even managed to survive, would do everything we could TO survive, even if it meant forsaking others.

Anonymous 03/08/15 (Sun) 23:51:04 No.17565

>>17564
>Though if you're calling us autistic, then you can kindly fill up the tear mug too.

Sorry, that was meant for >>17561 , not you.

Anonymous 03/08/15 (Sun) 23:51:38 No.17566

>>17563
or maybe I could spark more discussion other than the fucking "what did you do today anons? I'm so eager to know about your personal life!".

Anonymous 03/08/15 (Sun) 23:52:49 No.17567

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>>17566
>thinks socializing = autism

Anonymous 03/08/15 (Sun) 23:53:35 No.17568

>>17566
I consider people here my friends. I want to know how they are doing.

Anonymous 03/08/15 (Sun) 23:57:36 No.17569

>>17562
>>17563
>>17566
I'll be the first to admit that we are sort of a hugbox sometimes, but that's mostly because we've discussed everything to death. Gotta do something to pass the time, but I welcome any new discussion with open arms.

Anonymous 03/08/15 (Sun) 23:58:01 No.17570

>>17564
I don't have the gifs, I'm sure that someone does. The writers specifically made the note to show Jane looking back, and choosing to go on while Clem is in peril.

>more than Kenny had
He literally lost his eye protecting her.

Like I said. There has to be a line. What's the point of surviving if you don't live? Who'd want a baby killer on their side? People aren't as bad as you think they are. Even in the worst possible survival situations, there are those who stand up for others and protect the weak. Altruism is ultimately beneficial for our own survival, being social animals that we are. If it wasn't, it probably wouldn't be as prevalent as it is, natural selection would have most likely made it as rare as any other "deviance".

Anyway, it was good talking with you, but it's late and I have shit to do in the morning.

Good night everybody.

Anonymous 03/09/15 (Mon) 00:00:51 No.17571

>>17570
>I don't have the gifs, I'm sure that someone does. The writers specifically made the note to show Jane looking back, and choosing to go on while Clem is in peril.

Ohhh, you mean at the hardware store? I remember that, though it's a little more understandable since Jane had no idea who Clem even was at that point, and they'd only shared a few words. If a zombie horde was behind me and I heard someone scream and didn't know who it was, I probably wouldn't turn back either. The fact she showed some concern though, enough to appear worried, is notable though.

Good night anon, it was fun chatting!

Anonymous 03/09/15 (Mon) 00:10:52 No.17572

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>>17571
he's talking about this you numb nuts

Anonymous 03/09/15 (Mon) 00:11:47 No.17573

Well that was, interesting… New episode of TWD airs in less than an hour. Last week's episode is on right now if you missed it.

Anonymous 03/09/15 (Mon) 00:14:00 No.17574

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>>17572
>gif
We webms now.

Anonymous 03/09/15 (Mon) 00:17:29 No.17575

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>>17574
I'm old school

Anonymous 03/09/15 (Mon) 00:18:23 No.17576

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.

>>17575

Anonymous 03/09/15 (Mon) 00:24:18 No.17577

Holy hell, we are way past the bump limit. New thread when?

Anonymous 03/09/15 (Mon) 00:25:35 No.17578

>>17577
Sorry, I've been working on it for a while now, but the activity, plus my own IRL shit kept me from doing it sooner. Should be up before the new TWD episode airs.

Anonymous 03/09/15 (Mon) 00:27:08 No.17579

>>17578
Ah, sweet.

Anonymous 03/09/15 (Mon) 00:36:26 No.17581

>>17580
New Thread
>>17580