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Heya, just a friendly reminder the RP is still kickin' and if you're interested don't be afraid to check us out or pop in the IRC!

Or if you just wanna chat, pop in the IRC too.

>>29361

Thanks for the reminder, the RP is something I forget about tbh.

>>29365

>sameanon

If there's a sequel to TftB I imagine it'll star new characters and the old cast, in the likely chance they show up, will be supporting characters and/or cameos. I hope they call it something more interesting than "Season 2" especially since that subtitle wouldn't make much sense in that case.

Is there anything that can be really done with S2 Clem's character after the second season especially with all the contradictory paths her character can take in the endings ?

>>29369

They can explore what kind of person she ultimately becomes, and how she became that person, as well as the kind of relationship she develops with AJ. However, because of how her character was damaged in season 2, she's not really Clementine anymore so it would be kind of hard to accept. At least for me.

>>29370

That's the major problem for me. Even if S3 and future seasons somehow turn out amazing it wouldn't be a continuation of the real Clementine but S2 Clem. They're so different from each other that I can't see how both of them could be reconciled without a massive retcon of some kind. S1 Clementine is also such an incredibly interesting character that I feel like a far greater story has been lost with her gone while S2 Clem is a total flatline that most if not all of S3 will be spent turning her into an essentially new, more interesting character in an attempt to salvage her.

>>29372

I can't say I changed as much as Clem did in season 2. This is why the timeskip is such a huge problem, it's a lazy way to handwave how different Clementine is. Without us being shown what happened to her during that timeskip, it's very hard to believe that she could be capable for some of the things she could potentially do in season 2.

>>29372

There's three major problems with how much Clem changed after the timeskip.

1) We don't see the change. People (on other sites) make a big deal about how much Clem has changed in S2 when really all the actual change happens in the 16-month timeskip we don't see. We don't see how Clem becomes such a cold, passionless, and potentially manipulative and immoral person It's like if the Empire Strikes Back didn't exist and we saw Luke Skywalker go from rebellious farmboy to mature Jedi Knight immediately. We knew that's where his character was going but without seeing the important training he goes through in Empire the change feels sudden and he's essentially a different character.

2) S2 Clem is in most ways the opposite of S1 Clem. S1 Clem was an thoughtful, brave, kind, and selfless little girl. She stands up for less fortunate, proactively thinks of solutions in bad situations, displays a child-like charisma that can sway adults, and is generally kind and accepting of other people. S2 Clem is completely dependent on the adults (especially Kenny and Jane), can only do what others tell her to do, can revel in someone's death, talk down to people, and can generally be selfish, bratty, and immoral. The greatest irony of S2 is that S1 Clem is a braver, smarter, nobler, and even more independent character than the supposedly more "badass" S2 Clem.

3) The amount of change in such a short time. Literally nothing of S1 Clementine exists by the end of S2. I can buy the idea of Clementine becoming almost unrecognizable ten or twenty years after events of S1 but two? Two years and not only is she totally different but she can determinately be a contradiction of who she was?

Here's a little though experiment: If you changed S2 Clem's appearance, name and history and she behaved pretty much the way she does and is able to throughout the season, would you really at any point think, "this character reminds me of Clementine"?

>>29376

I don't really buy that since that's another bizarre retcon by S2 staff. I wouldn't be surprised if that tidbit was written in so they could justify her wearing it into adulthood.

Also her hat doesn't have an adjustable strap.

>>29377

The hat is torn in the back which could imply that it might have been widened due to being too small.

>>29378

That's been my thought too. I was actually convinced it was going to be irreparably damaged at some point in S2 and Clem would eventually get something new to wear.

>ywn get Clem a new hat when she outgrows her old one.

Anybody have any hope TWAU S2 will turn out good?

https://twitter.com/telltalegames/status/663098619839418368

Game of Thrones finale release is on the 17th.

>>29383

Sadly, I don't think a second season of TWAU will be good. I'd still like a second season, but reading the Glassdoor stuff makes me feel like every game they make now is going to be made the same way as TWDS2.

>>29384

What are the chances they'll come out with another episode of Minecraft before this?

>>29385

TftB hasn't raised your hopes or expectations for future Telltale, non-TWDG games?

>What are the chances they'll come out with another episode of Minecraft before this?

The second episode strikes me as a one-time thing. It was probably partially developed at about the same time the first and then finished afterward, creating the illusion of a faster schedule.

Has anyone else noticed the GoT finale has so far significantly less fanfare from Telltale compared to the TftB finale?

>>29386

>TftB hasn't raised your hopes or expectations for future Telltale, non-TWDG games?

Nope. It should've, but the Glassdoor stuff has made it clear to me that the executives who have no idea what they're doing are the ones who have more creative input on projects than the people who are actually working on the game. TFTB was good, but GOT is mediocre and the illusion of choice in it is non-existent. I expect all future projects telltale takes on to be the same way, unless things change at telltale so the executives can't fuck up their projects anymore.

>>29387

Well, what do you think made TftB work in the first place?

>>29389

For one thing it's a game that's lighthearted and fun, rather than something that focuses on tragedy and drama. That, and another anon suggested that because Gearbox was involved in the making of TFTB, the telltale execs couldn't have as much influence on the story as they might've wanted, and I agree with this possibility.

>>29390

It really is weird that TFTB ended up so much better than the sum of its parts, though.

I suppose there's some good ideas behind Borderlands that have been badly handled, given to some decent writers who pay attention to narrative more than bad jokes you end up with something more interesting.

Plus, having main characters that can actually develop is a big improvement. It really is kinda weird how the Borderlands protagonists are basically skins with some barely audible one-liners when played, but suddenly gain personalities, motivations and interpersonal relationships when they're NPCs.

>>29393

>inb4 Asher and Rodrick have all the same lines and die before the episode is over

>>29392

The perspective's around her legs is totally fucked, her face is obviously traced, her arm and her hand are deformed, and the artist fucked up the line art of her hat.

And yet there people who still fap to this shit.

>>29392

I knew I would regret opening this and I was still caught off guard. Foot fetish is one of the worst btw.

>>29393

For a second I thought this post was about TWD season 3.

Is Glenn dead or alive? If he's still alive will he just die later this season anyway?

>>29400

I'm just curious what the fallout would be. How people outside of /ttgg/ would react to it and such.

>>29399

I'm 90% certain it'll play out like that. I'll be surprised if Glenn doesn't bite it this season.

>>29403

https://youtu.be/MUT7oE2oaCc?t=4m32s

Fast Forward to relevant point.

I just have to talk about what keeps bugging me about Season 2 of Telltale's Walking Dead series.

The season was basically shit, with a shit ret con to bring back basically the only character you can half way tolerate other than Clem for the entire season, except…

That first fifteen or so minutes of the season. Basically everything that was Clem and Christa, especially with the time jump. If they wouldn't have been such lazy fucking writers, that could have been an amazing fucking story telling experience. You get Clem who is growing up, has dealt with losing Lee, but also knows she is partially to blame for Omiid dying. And then you have Christa, clearly having lost her baby at some point, charged with being the ward for Clem, and just the dark fucking atmosphere that they built right from the start… only to ruin it with another round of running errands for a group of chucklefucks. I feel like they could have really paired things down, and while where you ended up might not be very different, the relationships with a few key characters or between a few key characters could be very different.

A season that would have examined Christa/Clem's relationship, along with some key flashbacks (like your Clem is going to react this way, but maybe in Flashbacks you control Christa and how she reacts to the things Clem does, and this informs the present Clem) would have been awesome.

>>29406

Part of me thinks Telltale wrote out Christa because her voice actor wasn't able to commit to a full season or had other work.

>>29406

This, but without the timeskip. The ripest moment to explore and develop Clem's character would've been immediately after S1, when Lee's and her parent's deaths are still fresh in her mind. There's no need to skip two whole years of her life or immediately kill Omid for no reason; Lee's death should cast a large enough shadow over her for the whole season and her arc can be about her dealing with her survivor's guilt over it. You could still examine her relationship with Christa, who'd provide a different angle on the caretaker role by being a woman and thus being able to discuss certain issues with Clem that Lee couldn't.

>>29407

I'm positive it's because the writers (or execs) didn't want to deal with her or Omid at all, hence why they leave the story so early and unceremoniously.

>>29403

No Telltale game has been able to handle choice "properly" like TWDG, but just looking at the titles of this guy's videos I get the sense he doesn't understand the difference between narrative-heavy games that do choice well and those that don't, and the difference between illusion of choice and "actual" choice.

>>29408

I don't know. I agree with you in the sense that there should be this focus on character development, but I guess I would disagree a bit in the idea of focusing it on Lee. Lee's arc was mostly done, and a season of everyone talking about how much they miss Lee could have become tiresome. I feel like killing Omid and then clearly presenting Christa as having lost the baby immediately took the stakes to an 11, but then instantly threw all of that away as soon as you separate from Christa. I also don't think an entire season that just focuses on how Clem develops in isolation from how this impacts her relationships with others would be very thrilling to do twice.

>>29410

I didn't say it would focus on Lee, just that his recent death and the manner in which it came about would have still have a massive effect on Clementine and shouldn't be ignored. S2 actually touched on her guilt over his death in a couple episodes (both written by Breckon); when she she said his death was her fault in episode one and when she says Lee shouldn't have tried to save her in episode 5. Unfortunately it never gets explored and is brushed aside and Clem is as mopey and miserable as she was when she was sitting on that log with Christa.

>I also don't think an entire season that just focuses on how Clem develops in isolation from how this impacts her relationships with others would be very thrilling to do twice.

I'm not sure what you mean by this. I didn't say Clem would, or should , struggle alone the whole season.

>>29411

I guess you don't have to ignore it, but I feel like that doesn't exclude dealing with the new dynamic set up by the death of Omid. And what I mean by Clem in isolation is that basically S1 was you as Lee acting however you were going to act, and Clem just being a sponge (supposedly) and changing based on what you do. I think in Season 2 they could have clearly set up Clem and Christa both interacting and changing, and if they would change the character in control at some instances, that would have been a more interesting concept, instead of just playing a guardian role again.

>>29409

>and the difference between illusion of choice and "actual" choice.

Enlighten us, anon. How do you define those two?

>>29413

Illusion of choice is exactly what is sounds like; making the player feels like they've made an important choice. Actual choice is also exactly what it sounds like; choices having a measurable change on the plot. TWDG (S1) relies heavily on illusion of choice and using it effectively while a game like Until Dawn also uses illusion of choice but also makes heavy use of actual choice, mainly in the form of all its main characters being determinant.

>>29413

Not him, but illusion of choice is like in telltale games where your choices don't change the path the story takes, but rather how the story takes it's one path. I'd like to point out that this isn't the same as games that give you a choice, but won't allow you to move on unless you pick the right choice, or games where the choice has the same outcome regardless of what you pick, although telltale games can sometimes be guilty of the latter.

Thanks for watching

>>29417

Thanks for streaming for us doku, as always.

>>29412

It's mainly the big timeskip itself that I have major problem with, not necessarily Omid's death affecting the dynamic between Clem and Christa. Omid's death would have to be less hamfisted and Christa's motive for blaming Clem for it a lot less stupid but I'm fine with the basic concept as a driving force for their relationship. There's just no need for to skip two whole years of Clem's life for no reason, especially when S1 left her off at a key moment in her development that should be explored.

>>29421

>confirmed a non-virgin

>best

Anon, I like Luke and all but…

>>29422

Alright he loses a couple purity points but still. He saved post-apocalyptic his purity for best girl.

Can Telltale just release actual info about Michonne already? The sooner that's out of the way the sooner we can finally get S3 news.

>>29428

It'll be Thanksgiving in a few weeks, and then Christmas next month. There might not be anything new during that time, so we'll probably have to wait until next year for Michonne to start.

>>29427

This is the truest and best list

>>29429

Shit I just remembered Stauffer or someone tweeted a while back that news on Michonne was coming out "next month". Hopefully that means we get a release date or something this month and this shit-train can finally get going.

https://twitter.com/jobjstauffer/status/663954935776612352

https://twitter.com/jobjstauffer/status/663959452375093249

I like how evertime Stauffer tweets new info about Michonne he immediately has to respond to fans with another tweet saying, "no you won't get any news about S3 until afterward".

Also new Minecraft episode next month for those that care.

>>29434

>Also season 3 when?

Sometime after the Michonne miniseries finishes so next year most likely.

>>29435

It's only three episodes, but what if Michonne takes so long to finish that season doesn't start until 2017?

>>29437

I'd actually hope it's mostly finished, being a DLC miniseries and all. Even if it's not the surprisingly fast rate rate at which Minecraft seems to be releasing episodes gives me a little hope Michonne will wrap up winter of next year.

That said it doesn't seem clear that S3 at what point in production is in at this point, or if it's even left the early stages of pre-production. I'm actually wondering if there's going to be a Telltale drought for a while after both Minecraft and Michonne finish.

>>29438

>same anon

By winter of next year I mean like January/February.

>>29438

sameanon

>That said it doesn't seem clear what stage of production S3 is in at this point or if it's even left the early stages of pre-production

fixed my own terrible sentence

>>29441

M-maybe it's this? >>13326

>>29443

Maybe someone at telltale saw that article and thought that it would be a good idea to actually make a game like that?

>>29444

What would the premise of that even be? Who would you play as? Assuming this isn't a joke of course.

>>29444

What would the premise of that be? Who would you play as? Assuming this isn't a joke of course.

>>29445

>>29446

fuck, double post

>>29445

>>29446

You'll play as a telltale employee trying to make a telltale game. It'll be a work at telltale simulator.

>>29451

I'm… mixed. I like a lot of stuff in Season 2 (Kenny's return, your choices being mentioned, cameos from 400 days), but I agree it's an uneven season. Mainly, it's the Kenny vs Jane fight that brings it down when clearly it was meant to be Kenny vs Luke. Jane comes in so late, it's hard to care for her even after the massive exposition dumps in Episode 4.

>>29455

>inb4 some classic GoT rape scenes

>>29451

TWDS2 is the type of game where you might enjoy it the first time you play it, but once you take some time to reflect on it and think about it, you realize that what you played isn't as good as you thought. Personally, I loved season 2 when I first started playing it, but once I started hanging out here, I started to look at things more critically, but still enjoyed what I played until I started discussing it with you guys which is when the game's flaws became apparent to me. Episode 5 was a different story however (no pun intended), as it actively bothered me with how flawed it was while I was playing the episode. I didn't really have any problem with any of the other episodes until I started talking about them with you guys, but episode 5 was so bad that I noticed the things wrong with it while I was playing it. Really, Clementine and the Kenny endings are the only things season 2 has going for it for me, and even then, when I say Clementine I mean more in aesthetics than in personality. I can say I enjoy everything about season 1 Clementine, but season 2 Clem? Not a god damn chance.

>>29452

>Kenny vs Jane fight

And this is something that, even if you like season 2, can cause you to hate the experience overall, especially since the game tries to trick you into getting the bad endings by trying to make you shoot Kenny twice, and there's even a hidden option to walk away from him even if you let him live.

>Jane comes in so late, it's hard to care for her

That doesn't seem to be the case for most people, as the outcome of the choice very clearly show. Really I'm not too bothered by the fact that they changed it from Kenny vs. Luke to Kenny vs. Jane so much as I am by how biased the entire situation is. Again, the game tries to make you shoot Kenny twice, and he had been characterized as a villain the entire episode. It seems like they really wanted players to not only fail in the since episode 1 established goal of getting to Wellington, but also feel justified in doing so. I stated before that despite what she did, I don't really hate Jane but I didn't really know why. I think I know why now, it's because the whole Kenny vs. Jane situation feels more like it was fabricated by the developers rather than Jane herself.

>>29459

GOT doesn't even have nudity in it, there's no way telltale will do a rape scene.

>>29460

When I finished S2 my feelings were that it was very flawed, mainly because of how undeveloped and inconsistently portrayed Clementine was and the general illogic of certain scenes, but I still thought it was worth playing. I've slowly come to hate pretty much every single aspect of the game, from the "plot", all the main characters, the set-pieces, the "choices", the tone, the message (whichever one was trying to be conveyed), the pacing, the dialogue, etc. Things I thought were redeemable or were the only "good parts" in the game I came to realize were terrible, manipulative writing, which I fell for. What makes me hate S2 even more is that it immediately followed what I think is one of the best games ever made. It's such a massive dive in quality that its mind-boggling. It's like the Star Wars prequels-bad in which I'm still finding huge flaws almost a year later

>TWDS2 is the type of game where you might enjoy it the first time you play it, but once you take some time to reflect on it and think about it, you realize that what you played isn't as good as you thought.

This largely has to do with the breakneck pace the game moves through scenes and set-pieces, never giving the player time to dwell on whatever just happened or whatever the characters did. It's like each episode is desperate to get the plot over with and the only thing the player is left to sort out what they were feeling in the last moment of the final scene.

>That doesn't seem to be the case for most people, as the outcome of the choice very clearly show.

Almost no one gives a shit about Jane. People didn't shoot Kenny because they liked her, they did it because most people's immediate reaction to seeing someone about to get stabbed to death is to save them. Even though I let Kenny kill Jane (mainly because I found her boring and irritating and didn't care if she died) realistically I would have shot him because I'm not just gonna let someone murder another person in front of my eyes. Actually I would have threatened him with the gun and told both of them to stop fighting and actually look for AJ but that's not an option in the game because S2 Clem is apparently to dumb to think to do that. Everyone in that scene was an incredible moron.

>>29461

>the only thing the player is left *with is to sort out what they were feeling in the last moment of the final scene.

>S2 Clem is apparently *too dumb to think to do that

ftfm

>>29441

https://twitter.com/jobjstauffer/status/664561195022573568

Turns out it's documentary about Telltale and it's coming out tomorrow. I'm kind of wary about what it has to say. I guess we'll find out soon enough.

>>29461

>People didn't shoot Kenny because they liked her, they did it because most people's immediate reaction to seeing someone about to get stabbed to death is to save them.

Back when the episode came out I saw that a lot of people who shot Kenny regretted it. Nowadays everybody who says they shot Kenny doesn't regret it, and say they killed him for reasons other than because they wanted to save Jane. What happened?

>realistically I would have shot him because I'm not just gonna let someone murder another person in front of my eyes.

With that said, I don't really agree with this line of thinking, because it implies that you should always save someone else's life if you're able to, regardless of who the victim is, and regardless of who the killer is. If it was Lee in that situation instead of Kenny, would you have still shot him? If it was Carver he was about to kill, and not Jane, would you have shot him?

>>29464

>Back when the episode came out I saw that a lot of people who shot Kenny regretted it. Nowadays everybody who says they shot Kenny doesn't regret it, and say they killed him for reasons other than because they wanted to save Jane. What happened?

The people who said they regretted typically did so after seeing the Wellington endings which a) are so unrealistically good it makes the Howe's and Alone endings look like losses and b) try to walk back S2 Kenny's character in order to to try repair his image after he everything he did earlier in the episode. In the case of the former it's a matter of people regretting they didn't get the clearly "better" ending (which is a stupid concept in a game that's trying to emulate the ambiguity of the first one) and in the case of the latter it's so people who had their faith in S2 Kenny waver in the face of his actions say, "See? Kenny just wanted what was best for Clementine and AJ. I was right to trust him.". And of course there's the people who were relieved to just be rid of him.

>If it was Lee in that situation instead of Kenny, would you have still shot him?

Yes, because it wouldn't be Lee, just some gross caricature of him by writers who didn't understand his character. The real Lee, and Kenny for that matter, would have more sense in that situation than S2 Kenny did because he's not an idiot who falls for obvious ploys.

>If it was Carver he was about to kill, and not Jane, would you have shot him?

This would be a completely different situation we're talking about here. If you're literally talking about Carver swapping places with Jane and doing everything she did in that scene the game would be so absurdly retarded I'd just shoot every character I could because I wouldn't give a shit anymore. Basically this isn't a good example.

That said I'd let Kenny kill Carver like I actually did in the game in but that's because like a lot TWD villains in the TV and comics he's an unrealistic, two-dimensional villain designed specifically for the "heroes" to kill without remorse.

>it implies that you should always save someone else's life if you're able to, regardless of who the victim is, and regardless of who the killer is

You're talking about fiction, right?

>>29465

>Basically this isn't a good example.

I was talking about a general fight between Kenny and Carver rather than that exact situation, but I agree it would be stupid, especially if the game still only gave you a choice to shoot Kenny and nothing else in a Kenny vs. Carver situation. I guess what I'm trying to get at is that it doesn't make sense for Clementine to save Jane in that situation because she doesn't care about her, at least not as much as Kenny. Think back to season 1, in the fight with the stranger, either Lee or the stranger can get the upper hand in the fight, which leads to Clementine shooting one of them. If Clementine's mindset was that you should save everyone who's about to be killed, she would've shot Lee. But that's not the case, as she only shoots the stranger if he gets the upper hand. This means she cares about Lee, but not the stranger. By shooting Kenny Clementine is showing that she cares more about Jane than she does about Kenny, which is not the case because she doesn't give a shit when Jane dies, whereas she's crying when Kenny dies and is sad to see him die. So yeah, the whole situation doesn't make any sense, and I actually think that Clementine shooting Kenny is a regression for her, because it means she didn't learn her lesson from what happened with the stranger in the first season.

>>29466

The problem is you're comparing the endings of S1 and S2 as if they were the exact same situation, which they're not. Jane creates a half-baked plan to trick Kenny into thinking AJ is dead in order to trigger him into a rage in order to… her actual goal is never made clear. S2 Kenny completely falls for Jane's lie and instead of questioning her over what happened to AJ or where his body is (which would've completely unraveled her shitty plan and provided S2 Kenny a justification to take the kids and leave her ass to freeze) he immediately attacks her because he's a psychotic asshole in this episode for some reason. In the end S2 Kenny gains the upper hand and tries to kill a woman he isn't even sure is telling the truth because he's too absorbed in his own self-righteous anger to use his brain and interrogate her while he has the chance. You know also isn't sure? Clementine, who's put in a position to stop a crazy guy from trying to kill someone else for supposedly killing a baby, which he has no evidence for. Indeed, the truth comes out of AJ's crying mouth and S2 Kenny can have murdered someone for no reason. Literally no one had to to die that day if any of the characters weren't morons and didn't let the situation escalate.

The scenario with the Stranger on the other hand was a actual matter of survival. The Stranger was determined to kill Lee and announced his intentions do so to the man himself. Both Lee and Clem know this guy has to be taken down or even killed if they're both going to make it out okay. So when crazy dad has Lee in a stranglehold it's clear to Clem, who's been struggling with the idea of hurting people in order to save the ones she loves, what she has to do.

It does seem like the S2 writers were trying to create a scene similar to the struggle with the Stranger but it completely falls apart under any scrutiny.

>>29467

>her actual goal is never made clear

She wanted to kill Kenny so she can have Clementine all to herself as a replacement for her dead sister. However because she knows Clementine wouldn't be okay with her killing Kenny outright, she needed to "prove" to Clem that he's dangerous and provoked a situation where he tries to kill her. She could've told Kenny at any point that the baby was still alive and she would've still made her point, nobody needed to die. But she wanted to kill Kenny, which is not only why she doesn't tell him, but which is also why she hid the baby in the first place. The situations are not entirely the same, but to me, they both come down to the same premise of lying to Clementine and killing her current caretaker to become her new caretaker.

>>29468

>She wanted to kill Kenny so she can have Clementine all to herself as a replacement for her dead sister

I could believe that but the problem is her motive doesn't gel with her stupid plan. If she really wanted to manufacture a situation where she could kill Kenny in self-defense then why didn't she prepare better for the "actually killing Kenny" part? Seriously, what was her plan? She was going to kill a guy much bigger than her with a knife, with Clementine standing right there? She does take her knife out when he swings at her but then she sheathes it when he doesn't immediately follow up on his previous attack. Why not keep it out and wait for him to come charging at her again, like he does when she puts the knife away? Unless of course she didn't intend to kill him, but then what was her actual endgame supposed to be?

Hey, what if he didn't attack her?' What she going to do then?

>she needed to "prove" to Clem that he's dangerous and provoked a situation where he tries to kill her

The irony is that Jane did indeed "prove" Kenny was a dangerous, unstable person by getting her retarded ass killed/almost killed by him. He had no evidence she was telling the truth and didn't even attempt to figure out if AJ was alive and okay. He just went apeshit on Jane, the only person who would know where the baby was.

>She could've told Kenny at any point that the baby was still alive and she would've still made her point, nobody needed to die.

This is true, but she also doesn't tell the truth even when the knife is about to be plunged into her chest. Her plan definitely isn't going to work if she's dead so why not tell the truth at that point? Not just to save her own life but Clem from being stuck with Kenny, who's shown himself to be completely off his rocker.

>The situations are not entirely the same, but to me, they both come down to the same premise of lying to Clementine and killing her current caretaker to become her new caretaker.

This is the problem. Was S2 Kenny really Clem's (and AJ's) proper guardian? What right did he have to her more than Jane? That entire stupid fight was basically two idiot adults fighting over custody of a child that didn't belong to either of them and probably didn't even want to be with them. Lee's and Clem's relationship is what made the fight with the Stranger work; S2 Kenny did not have that kind of relationship with Clem (despite what the script tries to tell us) and Jane had about as much a hand in "taking care" of her as he did. There is no such dilemma in S1 because the game has built up that relationship from the beginning to the bitter end. It's like both S2 Kenny and Jane are the Stranger in the fight, going to desperate lengths to keep a terrified child to themselves.

>>29469

>her motive doesn't gel with her stupid plan

Yeah. There are a number of variables that aren't taken into consideration when going through with the plan that can easily cause it to go wrong. What if Kenny didn't attack her? What if he started asking questions? What if Clem decided to stop the fight by killing Jane instead of Kenny? What if Kenny had looked around harder and found AJ?

>He had no evidence she was telling the truth and didn't even attempt to figure out if AJ was alive

To be fair, she made no attempt to tell him AJ was still alive and she even said "it was an accident" indicating that she "accidentally" killed him. Kenny probably jumped to conclusions because he's aware of Jane's attitude towards dead weight, and seeing as how she was just alone with AJ, probably put two and two together to think that she ditched AJ to save herself or something. It would've been smarter for him to start asking questions, but she didn't give him any reason to think she was lying.

>Her plan definitely isn't going to work if she's dead so why not tell the truth at that point?

Because she wants Clementine to herself. If she had said that the baby was still alive, there's no way in hell Clem and Kenny would've allowed her to stay with them. At that point in the fight, she's depending on Clementine to kill Kenny for her, even though she told Clem to stay out of it.

>Was S2 Kenny really Clem's (and AJ's) proper guardian?

Clementine didn't really have a guardian in season 2, as she was part of a group. At the point of the game in which the fight starts however, Kenny and Jane are all she has left, and the ending choice, seems to be about who do you like more, or who do you think makes for a better guardian for Clementine. The problem is that, there's absolutely no ambiguity in the choice whatsoever. The game really doesn't want you to pick Kenny, and does everything it can to make you think you have to kill him, only for it to turn out to be the wrong choice. Also, I think it's unfair to say that both Jane and Kenny are the stranger in that situation, because Kenny never lied to Clementine and he's willing to give up his chance to take care of her as shown in his ending. In fact, one of the reasons why he tries to get Clem into Wellington is because he doesn't think very highly of himself at that point, and thinks she's better off without him.

>>29471

Anyone have any thoughts on this? >>29463

>>29472

Speaking of which, here it is.

>listening to the songs from TftB

I know it's late, but the feels just hit me. It's over. I probably won't look forward to another TftB episode ever again ;_;.

>>29473

Thanks. It's probably some self-congratulatory bullshit, but I'll check it out later.

>>29474

>It's probably some self-congratulatory bullshit

It's actually a history of telltale type of documentary. They talk about how they used to work for LucasArts before starting their own company, why they decided to make episodic adventure games, and how they transitioned into making choice based narrative games. They address the criticism of "it's not a game" in the video, but not the "your choices don't matter" criticism.

>>29470

>To be fair, she made no attempt to tell him AJ was still alive and she even said "it was an accident" indicating that she "accidentally" killed him

She actually doesn't tell him anything at first. She mumbles AJ's name and an apology and Kenny somehow draws the conclusion that she murdered AJ. We know this because Jane only insists it was an accident after he screams, "How could you kill a fucking child" and lunges at her. So in S2 Kenny's own mind Jane purposely killed the baby and then went back to tell him? For what possible reason? How fucking stupid does he think she is? How fucking stupid is he for thinking that's not only a possibility but fact? And then there's the problem that not only is he so sure AJ's dead in the face of no evidence, it's apparently more important to him to kill this woman instead figuring out what really happened. If my baby brother went missing and someone suggested they were dead I wouldn't just immediately agree 100% that was case; I'd want answers and find out everything I could. I'd be in denial the whole time too, the first stage of grief. But no, S2 Kenny's hate boner for Jane is so inexplicably hard that he immediately wants to to kill his only lead on AJ's whereabouts. Hey Kenny, is that really worth more than the life of the baby you supposedly care about you dense fucker?

>Because she wants Clementine to herself. If she had said that the baby was still alive, there's no way in hell Clem and Kenny would've allowed her to stay with them. At that point in the fight, she's depending on Clementine to kill Kenny for her, even though she told Clem to stay out of it.

Again, if she's dead then she'd never get Clementine. At least if she told the truth she'd have a chance to explain herself if S2 Kenny decided to calm his ass down enough interrogate her over AJ's whereabouts. Even if she alienated Clem she'd at least still be alive. Maybe she could find another meat puppet to immediately imprint her sister's image on. Hey Jane, is the loyalty of this joyless eleven year old girl you barely know really worth more than your fucking life you dumb bitch?

When it comes down to it the reason Jane never confesses and Kenny never stops to put a modicum of thought into the situation is because that would've unraveled the terrible climax the writers spent multiple rewrites bullshitting into existence. No amount of inventing "logical" reasons for anything anyone did in that scene is going to make it less nonsensical.

>only for it to turn out to be the wrong choice

Wrong how?

>I think it's unfair to say that both Jane and Kenny are the stranger in that situation

So do I but if your going to make the connection than I'm going to make the most accurate comparison with that scene I can. Honestly I'd rather not give the S2 writers the pleasure of comparing their shitty scene to the climax of S1. There's a lot of examples throughout S2 of the writers trying to make connections to S1 and doing so terribly, the final confrontation being one of them.

>Kenny never lied to Clementine and he's willing to give up his chance to take care of her as shown in his ending. In fact, one of the reasons why he tries to get Clem into Wellington is because he doesn't think very highly of himself at that point, and thinks she's better off without him.

This is another entirely issue but I have problems with S2 Kenny's bizarre characterization and personality shifts throughout this whole episode, including in the Wellington endings.

>>29476

>No amount of inventing "logical" reasons for anything anyone did in that scene is going to make it less nonsensical.

Just to clarify, I'm not trying to defend the shitty writing by coming up with "logical" explanations for what happens in the scene. They're just that, explanations.

>Wrong how?

I don't really need to explain, the endings speak for themselves.

>There's a lot of examples throughout S2 of the writers trying to make connections to S1 and doing so terribly

Funny you say that, because this conversation is reminding me of how much shit from season 1 they tried to redo in season 2, and ended up doing it worse. And not even worse in the sense of "it's just not as good as before" it's actively and outright bad. Even without the comparison to season 1, a lot of shit in season 2 just makes for bad storytelling.

>>29477

>I don't really need to explain, the endings speak for themselves.

Eh, I don't feel the same about the Wellington endings like I used to. It took while for my initial sentimental feelings to fade and allow to look at the scene more objectively.

>Even without the comparison to season 1, a lot of shit in season 2 just makes for bad storytelling.

Yeah, that's the core of it. You know as naive as this might sound I have confidence that S3 will be better than S2. The Glassdoor reviews revealed what a chaotic time it was during S2's development and I think that was a large factor into how crappy the game turned out. tyrannical management aside. Telltale seems to have gotten their shit more together since then so I'm expecting the next season will at least be less painful. Whether it'll actually be good is another question of course.

what the hell did i miss, what with the huge discussion and all?

>>29486

Someone asked if anyone here still likes season 2, and it lead to a conversation about the Kenny vs. Jane fight and how nothing makes sense in the scene no matter what explanations you come up with for why anybody does what they did at that part.

>>29487

ah I see, thanks for the update. It was a very messy ending

>>29485

I've seen this picture dozens of times and yet I'm now just recognizing the drawing on the legal pad. That's by DJ, right? I remember he was drawing a soccer-related Clem picture once.

>>29490

Yeah, DJ drew the drawing on the pad in the pic.

>>29495

Would you mind linking their tumblr? I'd love to take a look!

>>29496

http://leafpuppy.tumblr.com/

Here you go.

I miss doku. I know he streams for us every week but he doesn't seem to post that much anymore. Maybe he's too busy with irl stuff.

i got the walking dead season 2 free on PS+ and just got done with it not too long ago. wanna play the first season but don't know if it's worth the 25 bucks, thoughts?

>>29499

didn't mean to have trip on

>>29499

I'd say it's worth full price and you'll eventually want to get it anyway if you played the sequel. It's a way better game and story. What did you think of season two, btw?

>>29498

I know that feel bro. He's not so much busy as he just has a job now.

>>29499

I'd say it's worth full price. It's a much better game than season two, though the dlc might not be worth it unless you're extremely curious about it. Feel free to share your thoughts about season 2 with us by the way.

>>29501

I thought Season 2 was pretty good, and can't really find anything too bad behind it besides characters being killed very suddenly (like Rebecca, Sarah, or fucking Luke). It had the game developing their characters but then bam, they're dead. Like Sarah, I was really expected her to move on from her dad's death, actually mature, and survive on her own but nah. It left me disappointed and then Luke died which soured my mood a lot while playing since he was one of my favorite characters. Other than that, I can't really think of any major flaws. Though I haven't played in of the other taletell games to make comparisons so it may be baised. How are the other games besides TWD?

>>29505

Hey, that body was able to satisfy the best TWD waifus so I'm not complaining.

>>29507

>Jane

>short hair qtpie

>Bonnie

>red hair qtpie

We must protect these treasures dearly, for they are the last of their kind.

>>29503

>How are the other games besides TWD?

Tales from the Borderlands is their best game besides the first season of The Walking Dead. The Wolf Among Us is good, though suffers from some short episodes at the end. Sam & Max and their other pre-TWD games are great but are traditional point and click adventure games so you gotta be into that genre to really enjoy them in my opinion. I also think the Poker Night games are good, but again, I think you have to like Poker to enjoy them.

>>29508

>short hair qtpie

there's always clem when she ages up

>red hair qtpie

i don't think bonnie goes into the qtpie category

>>29510

>sexualizing clem in any shape or form

leave

>>29513

more?

when's S3 coming

>>29524

All we know right now is that we'll get more news on it once the Michonne dlc is finished. Season 3 probably won't start until late 2016.

>>29524

Stauffer, Telltale's PR guy, says we'll start getting S3 news once the Michonne S2 DLC miniseries is finished. That's pretty much the only reason anyone here is anticipating the S2 DLC.

i want to impregnate older clem

>>29537

Same artist that did the other BigbyxWolverine pic?

>>29539

It's hard for me to answer that question, especially since I'm not a fan of GOT. I don't mean that in the sense of "I think it's bad" or "I don't like it" I'm just not a fan. So far it seems like nothing if anything has mattered with regards to your choices in GOT, so I'm sure a lot of people feel ripped off already.

With the rate Telltale seems to be putting out these Minecraft episodes do you think it's possible it'll finish by next winter of next year?

>>29541

It'll be finished be before summer hits. Maybe even by spring.

>>29542

If that turns out to be the case I wonder what Telltale will be releasing right after Minecraft is done, if anything at all. I'd assume Michonne would be done releasing at the same time if it comes out this fall like it was hinted at.

>>29543

I doubt Michonne will come out before 2016. We're just a few weeks away from the end of year holiday clusterfuck and that seems to be when telltale slows down (the large gap between episodes 1 and 2 of TWAU; the large gap between episodes 1 and 2 of TFTB).

>>29544

Then assuming Michonne comes out early 2016 it'll probably finish at about the same time as Minecraft. Point I'm getting at that it seems like Telltale doesn't seem to have anything planned for the rest of the year unless they surprise us with something for the summer/fall.

>>29545

>sameanon

So, aside from S3, any ideas what else might come out in the second half of 2016? Maybe DLC of some kind?

>>29546

Their original IP which is supposed to be their "super show" is the only thing I can think of.

>>29547

>>29548

I wish I still had that article that described Telltale's "super show" plans with Lionsgate. In my head that seems like the kind of "ambitious" project that would take a couple years to come into fruition but I'm not totally sure.

>>29550

Can't tell if I should be excited or be dreading this. Maybe the Marvel IP will be good.

>>29552

Uh, what game are you referring too?

>>29550

>first original IP

Wait, wasn't Puzzle Agent their first original IP? Unless I'm mistaken, Puzzle Agent didn't exist as anything else until it was a game.

>>29553

i was referring to michoone but i accidentally misread 2015 as 2016

>>29554

Telltale is technically only credited as its publisher despite having partially developed it with another designer so they probably think they could get away with claiming it's not really their first "true" IP. Then again they developed Telltale Texas Hold 'Em which only featured original characters and that was their very first game….

I think we'll most likely get the Michonne trailer and release date after next Tuesday, when GoT is officially done. I'm actually kind of curious to see what it looks like after we've gotten no real information on it since it was first announced.

>>29558

http://ridderen.tumblr.com/post/132042609295/this-is-most-definitely-not-cropped-like-80-bc-im

Took me a while to find it but here you go. That Rhysha pic is the only one they've made unfortunately but it looks like they have more TftB art.

>>29538

I think so. Strange pairing but the art's nice.

>>29565

That's good.

Anybody else like to go through the old threads sometimes? It's always a pretty nostalgic experience. Shame we can't do that with the old 4chan threads anymore.

>>29565

That's good.

Anybody else like to go through the old threads sometimes? It's always a pretty nostalgic experience for me.

>>29566

>>29567

fuck, another double post

>>29566

>>29567

Yeah, going through old 4chan threads was something I really loved doing. I used to save every thread myself so I could read them as they appeared on 4chan whenever I wanted. Then I get to the threads where NFA started ruining everything, and I don't feel compelled to read them anymore… Still, I wish we had all our anons from over there here.

>>29569

I've only started posting since this board came into existence so to me the locked threads here are the old threads.

>Still, I wish we had all our anons from over there here.

Do you think Michonne's release might compel any to check this place out again?

>>29570

>Do you think Michonne's release might compel any to check this place out again?

I don't think so. Clementine's one of the main reasons why the threads on 4chan kept going. She's telltale's most popular character aside from maybe Lee, and besides which most people in /ttgg/ are here for TWDG and the story it brings. The Michonne DLC doesn't have anything to do with that story, so anyone from old /ttgg/ likely won't come around until season 3.

>>29571

I wonder what the old guys all think of season 2 now and what their reactions might be to the negative opinions it's since garnered here when returning. I do remember Tae saying she loved the game and now I wonder if she and others still feel the same.

>>29572

I think most people over there have a lot of the same opinions we do. After all most of the people here came from over there. However it'd be nice to hear what the have to say about Borderlands, and we could use more GOT fans here too.

>>29574

I thought that the music sounded kinda quiet this time.

Thanks for watching!

>>29576

Thanks for streaming.

So was the voice the voice at the end of the episode supposed to be Glenn's? I can't really think who else it could be.

>>29579

Hoping somebody can provide a webm or just a sound clip, couldn't really make it out from the half a second they said "help"

>>29570

>just started to post here a few days ago

wew

On a scale of 1 to 10, how disappointing do you expect GoT finale to be?

>>29583

Hey, I was actually gonna ask about it since it comes out tomorrow. It's not really proper for me to answer that question though since I'm not a GOT fan. As such, I'm not expected to be disappointed by it since I don't really have any expectations for it in the first place.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8FB10IUnHqw

>>29585

Just finished watching some dude play it. It all "deaths lmao", as expected. Choices might have kind of mattered though?

>>29588

For Australians, yea.

>>29594

That's another possibility but I also think telltale will simply stick to the ending that most people got, just so they can say your ending choice mattered. Though honestly I would prefer if my ending choice didn't matter rather than getting screwed over with the choice I did make, simply because it wasn't the one the developers wanted me to make.

>>29595

>I also think telltale will simply stick to the ending that most people got, just so they can say your ending choice mattered

You don't see the contradiction in this statement? They're not just going to throw everyone into the "Jane route" when S3 starts because it would completely piss off a lot of people, including critics, and would be the single most significant and blatant example of your choices not mattering. It could badly damage their brand.

>it wasn't the one the developers wanted me to make

If the developers didn't want you or most people to make that choice they wouldn't have wasted tons of money, time, and manpower to put them anyway, especially when they're more elaborate than the "worse" endings.

>>29596

>You don't see the contradiction in this statement?

The collective's choices mattered, comrade. Do not be selfish.

>If the developers didn't want you or most people to make that choice they wouldn't have wasted tons of money, time, and manpower to put them anyway

Don't steal from the car and see what difference it makes. They make choices just for the benefit of that one episode. From what I've seen, it's likely that they are making it up as they go along for the most part, or at least don't have a clear picture of the story in its entirety.

>>29590

>>29591

Please don't scare the nice new people off with your creepy shit. The board is small enough as it ls.

>>29596

>it would completely piss off a lot of people, including critics

To be honest, telltale doesn't seem to care about this kind of thing anymore. Their reputation at this point is already "your choices don't matter" in their games, but telltale, at least to my knowledge, has never even acknowledged the criticism, let alone done anything to fix it. Fans and critics alike also don't seem to care that your choices don't matter, so it doesn't seem like there's any real urgency for telltale to fix it either. I think TWDS3 is the game where telltale can finally make player's choices matter, but given their track record, and this latest trailer, I have to expect that they'll appeal to the majority with regards to choices, and disregard everyone else.

>>29597

>The collective's choices mattered, comrade. Do not be selfish.

>Don't steal from the car and see what difference it makes. They make choices just for the benefit of that one episode. From what I've seen, it's likely that they are making it up as they go along for the most part, or at least don't have a clear picture of the story in its entirety.

To be perfectly blunt I still have no idea why you're so convinced the Howe's endings will be "canon" and I'm not sure what you're trying to get at with that comparison to the car scene.

>>29599

But they clearly do, it's just that the majority of the gaming media has a love affair with them (look at Greg Miller) and fans will just by whatever games they put out because they trust that they'll be good. Their good name is exactly what makes that happen, it's why they constantly toot their own horn on twitter or through their pointless accolades trailers. Shitting on the faces of a significant portion of their fans by saying their choice from the last game not only doesn't matter at all, but is clearly inferior to this other one would destroy that.

The most obvious solution is to acknowledge that each choice mattered in some modest, "meaningful" way and then swing all the players back into the same track. Sure it would still piss some people off but the five corners Telltale wrote themselves into don't allow a lot of room for maneuver anyway and at least fans couldn't accuse of them of shitting on their own choices while clearly favoring another one. Besides, killing off "important" characters at the start of a season just to be rid of them isn't something Telltale is above doing as we've seen before.

>>29600

>I still have no idea why you're so convinced the Howe's endings will be "canon"

I'm not the anon who gave that reply, but I still believe it's a likely possibility, because it would require too much money, manpower, and effort to make everybody's ending choice matter. It'll be much easier for telltale to simply appeal to the people who got the most popular choice, than to actually have season 3 at least start differently based on what ending you got. As I said before, I'd rather nobody's ending choice mattered than only my ending choice not matter, which I know sounds selfish, but like you said, it would piss off alot of people, myself included, if they did it like that.

>>29601

>because it would require too much money, manpower, and effort to make everybody's ending choice matter

It really wouldn't have to; it all depends on how you define "choices mattering". I brought up my own suggestion which I think is the most likely outcome in that Telltale will basically acknowledge that, yes, your ending happened, here's a little intro/flashback/dialogue changes/etc. to prove it, and then simply move into the main story proper. The fact they even dumped that much money into making the S2 endings in the first place proves this is a possibility.

>I'd rather nobody's ending choice mattered than only my ending choice not matter,

Nobody's ending choice will matter, nor did they ever matter because they only exist as self-indulgence for the fans. There's no deeper meaning to any of them nor are they attached to any overarching theme or idea. They exist purely so some Telltale producer could say, "Look everyone, multiple endings with their own scenes! How's that for choices mattering?"

Speaking of endings, anybody have predictions for how GoT will end? Do you think it will it have multiple endings like S2?

Speaking of endings, anybody have predictions for how GoT will end? Do you think it will it have multiple endings like S2?

>>29604

>>29603

>multiple endings

more like multiple posts

>>29603

>>29604

Apparently it's already out for Australians, maybe one of them can tell us.

>>29605

And it only happens with my posts for some reason. It's like the original one I send gets stuck in the pipe and the second attempt pushes it out.

>>29607

It happens to me too sometimes, but flood detection usually prevents a double post.

>>29606

>Australians getting a release before anyone else

That's a first. I wonder if we have any Aussies on this board.

>>29606

>>29604

Not an Australian, but I watched two playthroughs. There are some different outcomes, but nothing nearly as radical as TWD S2 endings. They're more like GoT episode 5 kind of deal, does this person die, or someone else. But the end point is pretty much the same regardless of what you do.

>>29611

>But the end point is pretty much the same regardless of what you do

I guess that's a good thing to hear especially with TftB also only having one ending. I'd like to think Telltale has the sense to do the same with S3 but I don't want to get my hopes up too much.

>>29612

If S3 is truly the last one, then they should go wild with endings and choices in my option.

>>29613

>If S3 is truly the last one, then they should go wild with endings and choices in my option.

The result of which would be utterly terrible but, I don't know, the series already lost it's potential to be great I guess. I'd still like S3 to be halfway decent instead of worse than S2.

>>29614

>The result of which would be utterly terrible

How come? I understand the need to be conservative when you have a sequel to think about. But there's no point in railroading the ending for the final part.

>>29592

>>29593

>Pre teen Clem comes over to your house

>Discovering boys, so she asks you to kiss her

>You say no

>But puppy eyes, though

>She underestimates the power of your kiss, because you're a good kisser anon. You are, don't sell yourself short

>It lasts a good 10 seconds, and she thanks you and goes home

>Late teen Clem asks you about that time you kissed her, saying that no one could make her feel as loved as you did that day

>You say ___

>>29616

I'd tell her that her first kiss should've been with a boy her age, but I'm at least happy I can make her feel that way.

>>29615

Let's go back to the original TWDG and its ending: Imagine you could actually have Lee survive the game. What does that do the original ending where dies? Answer: It reduces it to a "bad" ending, something to be avoided or reverted. It would lose all it's emotional weight because you know there's a "better" outcome to be achieved where everything works out. Even if the other choices weren't decidedly much better their existence now means that incredible final scene of Clem and Lee saying their last goodbyes is simply one of many choices to choose from. Now let's broaden the example and imagine every movie now has alternate, "equally valid" endings that viewers could choose. The original, intended endings of those movies would lose their punch simply by the existence of those other endings, and all for the gimmick of letting the audience choose the one most palatable to them.

See, what made the original game's ending so emotional and memorable was that every aspect of the story and game, including the choices, built up to it. The lack of other endings also meant the story couldn't have it's "authenticity" questioned or denied by people who didn't want it to be real and every player was kept on the same page. Multiple choice sounds like a good thing but it's often at odds with good dramatic storytelling and good storytelling is what made the first game so successful. Letting people pick the ending they want for sake of indulging them undermines the dramatic weight of that story and discredits each ending.

>>29617

You're not really being serious right?

>>29619

What would you do? Not challenging you, just asking

>>29618

When you put it like that, all of the endings in season 2 seem weaker to me now. In Kenny's endings Clementine finds safety or happiness, and doesn't lose anything of value to her in the process. In every other ending, she not only loses her only friend left, but is either left alone to look out for herself and the baby, or is stuck with a manipulative bitch who will most likely ditch her the moment her life is in danger. It's basically either things work out exceedingly well for Clementine, or not at all.

>>29620

Not kiss a confused eleven year old girl in the first place, especially for ten seconds? Could that not be more obvious?

Whatever, I'm sure you weren't serious and I don't want to discuss this creepy asshole's fantasy in any way.

>>29622

nah i was bored and don't want to do assignments

>>29621

>In Kenny's endings Clementine finds safety or happiness

Except if she decides to follow him out in the wilderness with the baby like an idiot, defeating the entire reason they went to find Wellington in the first place. And he let's her for some reason. S2 Kenny should've just refused Clem's plea and made her and AJ go into Wellington anyway, he'd look a lot more selfless and a lot less dumb doing so.

But yeah, the "got to Wellington" ending being an unrealistically "superior" ending to the other ones undermines the drama of each one, although I wouldn't call that ending "good" anymore…

>and doesn't lose anything of value to her in the process

This being one of the reasons.

>>29624

>And he let's her for some reason.

Somebody gave the explanation that it's because he respects her enough to allow her to make her own decisions, and while that may be admirable, it's not exactly a good thing to do. It's funny how he does that, yet Kenny haters talk about how "controlling" he is.

There should've been an ending where Clementine gets to Wellington, but loses someone she cares about in the process. I guess depending on your point of view the stay at Wellington ending could be considered that, but personally, I don't really think so because Clementine doesn't technically lose Kenny and she found the safety that she's been looking for since episode 1.

>>29625

>Somebody gave the explanation that it's because he respects her enough to allow her to make her own decisions, and while that may be admirable, it's not exactly a good thing to do.

That might've actually been me and now I think it's a stupid. They traveled in the snow for "nine days" (or however long it actually took because the developer's were too lazy to write a new time card) without any supplies or food and magically bump into Wellington and now they're just going to turn back? Why not at least leave the fucking baby? Clem would literally doom an infant to wander the frozen, zombie-ridden wilderness just so she could be with her best pal. And S2 Kenny lets her despite that going against his "established" character thus far, his entire goal for Wellington, and all common sense. It's completely trite writing.

>>29352

Here's how Telltale's Game of Thrones ends:

None of Mira's choices mattered. She's accused of murder no matter what you did. It was Morgryn that betrayed you. You either become his wife so he can have Ironwood and heirs or you get Nedd Stark'd. If you marry him, Tom gets Nedd Stark'd

Gared finds the North Grove. It's just a bunch of Wargs/Gregor's bastards. They need blood magic to stop the Whitewalkers and Cotter's going to die anyway. You either end his suffering or harvest his beating heart and let the Wargs cast their spell. Then you have a choice to either stay and guard the North Grove or lead the Wargs to Ironrath, but they don't march until the end, so there's no point.

Asher/Rodrik have 2 different playthroughs and settings. You get a choice to either kill Ludd or Gryff while the other rides into Ironrath with his army. You kill the bearded fuck that's always hanging around Gryff but Mama Forrester always dies, as well as Amaya. You're wounded but survive with Talia and Royland/Duncan, depending on who's Sentinel and if you kept the traitor alive. (For example, if traitor Duncan was spared, he's with you and Talia). TV cast narrates your choices. Beskha is seen riding on horseback with Ryon.Game ends in cliffhanger because Telltale are a bunch of greedy fucks and want you to pay for a 2nd season of this shit.

>>29618

By that logic the whole "choice" aspect should be scrapped.

>>29628

Yup. So, assuming that there will be a season 2, who do you guys figure we'll play as?

Gared is pretty much guaranteed. I'm guessing that his final choice will be invalidated in some way. Likely by the news that the Foresters are no more. I suspect that he will be more involved with the white walker and wildling shit than the war. Probably some drama with the siblings and their brainwashed slave soldiers.

****

Malcom seems like a sure thing too, if anything for more celebrity cameos featuring Clarke and Dinklage. He will do some shit for Dany. I suspect that it will lead him to King's Landing eventually. Or Dorne for dat Sand Snakes cameo.

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Asher/Rodrick are determinant characters, so I doubt that they will last too long. I expect that they, alongside of Duncan/Royland will die after we play as them for an episode or two, with Talia taking over as the protagonist in their place. Or maybe Beshka if she finds them. No idea what they might do. I suppose they could try to gather allies, or try to go to the North Grove themselves.

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Beshka is a good candidate for a protagonist. Her and not-Rickon can go around the war-torn land and try to survive on their own while looking for the remaining Foresters. Or they will find them early on, and she will take Rickard's/Asher's place as the protagonist after they inevitably die.

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I am almost sure that the maester will be a protagonist. He has a codex entry, and yet he did fuckall during the story. He is positioned to be our eyes and ears in Ironrath and to witness Whitehill or possibly Morgryn's scheming. He might be cornered into aiding a smallfolk rebellion and/or saving Mira.

What do you think?

>>29630

>What do you think?

I think I'm really glad I dropped GoT after episode 3. Jesus, this story and these choices are cancer….

>>29631

It was okay in the choices department. Kind of. The story was what was lacking. Especially in the first few episodes. Some of the things that have happened made no fucking sense. Still, it made me less angry than TWD S2, and in the end, it was less disappointing than TWAU. Though that may be due to lowered expectations.

>>29352

Am I a hypocrite for liking Rhys' story but not Mira's? After all, Rhys' choices also meant jack shit but somehow I enjoyed that story.

>>29633

Rhys is probably just a more likable and interesting character than Mira. I say 'probably' because I haven't played GoT and have no idea what Mira's character's like.

I just got done watching a playthrough of the finale and… Jesus Christ, I think this is actually worse than TWDS2 finale. It's basically bad guys win, all the good guys die. Which is suppose is fine for GOT but for a choice based game, it leaves a feeling of nothing mattered. So nothing new for telltale I guess. There are some actually determinant things, but I feel like there's no satisfying outcome no matter pick because of the low note the game ends on. It feels like you made the wrong choice no matter what you choose. I'm glad I didn't pay money for this game, but it's something that I won't even torrent. I wish I never started watching playthroughs of the game to begin with, but I did it so I could discuss it with you guys. In a fair and just universe, this won't get a sequel because of how bad it is, despite the fact that the story will be left unfinished. But because this is a telltale game, and because it's GOT, it's successful on brand loyalty alone and a sequel is inevitable.

>>29628

>you get Nedd Stark'd

I misread that as, "you get nekkid" at first.

>>29633

I'm not really sure how Rhys and Mira are similar, so I'm just going to chalk it up as TFTB is just a better game.

>>29636

The fuck are you talking about?

>>29638

Rodrik, Anon, Rodrik.

Who here thinks the writers didn't know what the North Grove was when they wrote episode 1?

>>29640

Episode 1? I'm thinking they didn't even start on the North Grove until maybe after Episode 5. It feels that rushed.

>your daughter will never be clementine

why exist

>>29626

this is why i went to jane's ending after looking at the kenny ones, they're just really unrealistic, and plus i thought wellington was gonna end up turning into Carver's little fortress after a little bit of time.

Hey, Gavin's ask.fm is back.

http://ask.fm/gavinhammon

>>29643

Eh, I don't think the Howe's endings (or the Alone ending) are much better. The Wellington endings are unrealistic (and not well-written or thought out) but at least they felt like endings, whereas the Howe's ones felt like a scene plucked out from the middle of an episode and placed at the end of a series for some reason. Like it feels like another scene should follow but instead the credits roll. Plus that decision with the family feels totally inconsequential because it happens right before the game ends.

>>29643

I'm sorry anon, but even with the flaws we discussed, that's a really fucking dumb reason to choose Jane over Kenny.

GoT season 2 we probably happen. The endings are pretty much open ended. There will be more.

I saved asher

I killed Ludd

I let mira die with her dignity intact

Gared is going south

That's on top of my head right

I got cunning strategy

I'm going to play ACoK now

New thread when

>>29650

never ever

>>29655

At least something good came out of TWAU

>>29649

This is why the finale is so unsatisfying. It doesn't matter what you do, you just can't win. The best example of this is Mira's fate in the finale. Either she marries the villain or she dies. How can anyone say they feel good about the choice they make when those are their choices?

>everything in it will be fanfiction.

Oh god, you can't be serious.

>>29650

Sorry, working on it right now.

>>29653

I haven't been looking forward to season 3, and I doubt telltale will do anything to change my mind.

>>29655

I'm not clicking that shit.

>>29659

Just Nerissa's:

http://41.media.tumblr.com/2c975297ff9d1e602a7cb02315b0ed5e/tumblr_nxijjju9mm1shwa0qo5_1280.png

>>29655

This reminds me. There just isn't enough of Kenny rule 34.

>>29663

whoops, reply meant for this >>29662