/tulpa/ - Tulpa

#1

Don't wait for inspiration before forcing, start forcing even if you don't feel like it.

#2

The things you feel while listening to music while forcing can shape the tulpa or even evoke it next time you listen to the same music.

>>14139

Yeah I found movies to have been a great wonderland fuel, even if they are totally irrelevant to what your wonderland is, there are good bits and pieces that you can take.

>>14140

I can understand that, it is different for everyone and we are treading on new ground here because there isn't really any "official" or "standard" way of doing this, it's different for everyone, but personally I learn something new about tulpamancing every day.

>>14141

The opinions or feelings that I have of the song that my tulpa likes can be transferred to it. I will try to explain it.

If you saw a man on the bus listening to black metal then you will judge who they are based on their music, you don't know the person but your impression of them is probably that the guy is a very angry person and he burns churches and worships satan (kek), even if he is really a kind person when you get to know him.

When forcing with music it is the impression that you want to achieve of the tulpa when it is listening to music, if the song my tulpa likes feels edgy to me, then listening to this music with my tulpa makes me think that my tulpa is edgy, thinking that my tulpa is edgy all the time is basically the same as forcing its personality to be edgy.

It can be done to get other effects of course, if I want my tulpa to be sophisticated then I would listen to Mozart or Vivaldi or whatever snobs listen to, if I want it to be kind then I would listen to whatever makes me think of kindness, like beautiful piano music, if I wanted my tulpa to be my favourite waifu then I would listen to j-pop, if I wanted it to be a black man from the hood then I would listen to hip hop :^)

There are more benefits to music while forcing:

#3

Imagining tulpa move along with and dance to music or play the instruments or sing the lyrics in the songs is a fun way to visualize and impose as well as develop the sound of your tulpa's (singing) voice.

#4

Imagining your wonderland in a music video for the song you are listening to, where you and your tulpa are actors is also a fun way of visualizing and making things happen in wonderland.

Alright, i think i have a problem with predefined appearances. It's been around a month now and it's still hard for me to remember her face when i dont have the original sketch - where she got her appearance from - with me. And even when i do have the sketch with me, her face will simply fade away from my memory in minutes unless i stare at it like every 3 minutes or so.

So yeah, i'm deleting the original sketch now (or at least saving it somewhere i wont look at). Maybe if i dont recur to a sketch anymore, my memory will start working properly and i'll be able to finally have her face fixed in my memory.

#5

If I spend the whole day passive forcing or at least trying to, then active forcing is a lot easier and there is no need to go through any "transition" phase or meditation or anything either.

#6

Passive forcing is a lot easier when I define it as "being aware that my tulpa is being aware of me", when I remind myself of this throughout the day, I have less problems with concentration.

where are you OP ;_;

- After interacting with mine, I have it in mind to record what they said and what we did into some kind of journal or text file.

- Really, I do a lot of recording of things in text files, from landscape details, to names and information about my residents, to techniques I use. Gedit and Notepad++ have become a very useful tools in my development exercises, heh.

- I try to associate my residents with other things, in order to further encode them in to memory. I try to make the association relevant to one of their qualities. For example: One site I go to had a white and blue color-scheme, which one of my girls have. As such, when I see that site, and the blue-and-white color scheme, I am immediately reminded of them. Sometimes this even causes their presence to come forth.

- Ask you partner questions. Not yes/no questions, but stuff they really have to think about. For serious. It helps.

- Sometime, I have to force interest in my development to continue. One thing I rarely see mentioned is how easy it is for the mind to wander when it's not trained, and as such it's easy to lose interest in things, or get caught up in to other things. One thing I've learned is how much easier it is a hop on the internet and socialize, than it is to talk to your tulpa. The latter often entails wrestling with yourself to some degree.

- This is an audiobook about developing memory…but I honestly think it works better as a tulpa guide than many tulpa guides: https://librivox.org/memory-how-to-develop-train-and-use-it-by-william-walker-atkinson/

I'll have more stuff later. I wish you cats luck.

>>14174

Adding to this, try to encourage your tulpa to ask YOU questions. The purpose is to get them to be curious, which thus gets their faculties working. So, just as you're curious about them and what they think on things, have them be curious about you, and the things you do, and why you do them. Or better yet, have them be curious about the world you live in ,how it works, what the people are like, etc.

It's all about making them do things on their own. I sometimes see that folks will make a tulpa, but have literally nothing for them to do. As such, their tulpa just kind of floats there and is around, while the host does everything for them (Doubly so if the host is using a puppet-based method).

>>14173

Sorry fam, I'm back now.

#7

It doesn't matter if the tulpa is sentient or not, focus on your relationship with it even if it isn't. Advice given me by my tulpa herself

#8

I try to break away from the usual routine of the day for some alone time with my tulpa, like taking a walk with her or taking her to the beach with some snacks, it's kinda fun actually.

#9

I found writing down a short list of generic responses for your tulpa which are "in-character" to whatever you want its personality to be is really helpful for getting quick automatic responses later on and developing tulpa's personality.

For example, if your tulpa is something like a pirate then you have to write things that a pirate would say like "YE-HARRR A DINNER WITHOUT MEAT IS NO DINNER AT ALL".

Your tulpa isn't going to say exactly these things you wrote but they serve as a guideline for how it talks so naturally it will improvise according to the situation. This is especially helpful if your tulpa's personality is less stereotypical and more complex than a pirate's.

#10

Whenever I doubt if my tulpa is real or not I remind myself that I had serious headaches back when I started out making it, so this wasn't a coincidence, something must have been going on.

#11

Video games with a character creator (eg: Skyrim) can help you make a 3d form of your tulpa so that you can visualize it better. Besides, it's fun playing vidya with tulpas.

One has to make sure they enjoy their time with their partner. May it be working on defining something about them, or just being around them. This idea seems to be taken for granted, or regarded as obvious, but I feel there is huge value in reiterating this, and regularly affirming it.

Share stuff with your partner, don't completely section them off from you usual life. The more things that remind you of them, the better.

>>14207

> Doing stuff with tulpas is generally more fun than doing things alone, if you can manage to concentrate on your tulpa enough and not get distracted.

I was under the impression for a long time that one of the chief elements of the exercise was training concentration, with the construct as the focus. As such, going in to things with that mind seems to be pretty important to my view. It's not the only way to better concentration, but it definitely can serve as a very good point of focus.

With that in mind, building up multiple aspect of them, things to connect them to and to be easily reminded of them by, seems to be a pretty important thing to keep focus on. In a phrase: strong association, so that multiple, seemingly unrelated thoughts can lead to the same point.

For some more detailed explanation, and concentration exercises, I found this audiobook to be useful:

https://librivox.org/the-power-of-concentration-by-theron-q-dumont/

Earlier I mentioned that asking the figure questions, that require thought beyond yes/no, is a useful way to develop their ability to form an opinion. I ran in to a site full of conversation topics when browsing through another tulpa community. It's based on English as a second language, but this set can surely be expanded for use in forcing sessions:

http://teflpedia.com/Category:Conversation_questions

I tend to draw my head folk, but I'm not sure if it's practical to ask people to learn how to draw for the sake of this. Still, it can be helpful, and it's nice to have your own references anyway. Especially when your buddy is based on a fictional character, it lets you tweak and change things physically, and make them more distinct from their inspiration.

#12

I have discovered that for me, passive forcing is more important than active forcing. I have been doing active forcing daily with little to no passive forcing. But I get much better progress with my tulpa if I do passive forcing for most of the day, even if I did no active forcing that day.

#13

This may seem really obvious but I only figured it out just now. If you are unsure of what your wonderland looks like according to your description of it, then look at pictures of it. For example, I have a Victorian mansion as my tulpa's house in our wonderland, but I can never really imagine what it looks like inside because I really don't know what the interior of an old fashioned Victorian mansion looks like, I only have a vague idea of it but nothing precise, until I decided to check out some pictures of it.

>>14208

You are right. With memory association, the idea is to associate your tulpa with as many things as possible so that you are always reminded of it. One of my tulpa's main interests is food, it likes to eat, not that it's a fat ass or anything, whenever I am getting something to eat I remember my tulpa and it begins interacting automatically without any hard forcing or concentration on my part, which is really cool.

The idea of looking at the development of a tulpa as a sort of art, or creative expression came to mind recently.

In a way, it's sort of an obvious thing, but it's a viewpoint that I don't often see expounded on. Rather, it's sort of something that's seems to be either a sort of drag, a scientific curiosity, or something else altogether. I can imagine such a mindset, if strong enough, could garner a desire to keep refining the subject(s), even until the point where any more work is negligible.

Or would that hurt the feeling of them being a person? I'm not sure, what do you guys think?

Speaking of art, what do you guys think of collecting pieces that remind you of the overall exercise, or how things are in your head?

This is a little something I wrote up, since I was thinking about it while doing some yard work. It's rough, but I wanted to pop it up anyway, it may be useful to someone:

The art of letting go

While I was working, this idea came to me, concerning the development of independence, and the insurance that the host is not moving their companion as a puppet, while still being aware of their ability to control things. This is the act/art of letting go of control. To drop my strength, drop my doubts, drop my expectations, and come to the figure, seeing metaphorically eye-to-eye, and communicating as such. This requires not trying to shift about things, no matter how odd or out-of-character they may seem. Not trying to correct their responses, but letting them speak as they will, and taking it as theirs unless they themselves reject it.

To truly treat them as another person, and not as a doll to be toyed around with. This also involves allowing them to affect you, as one person would another. Treating their sadness as if you were witness to a person being sad before you. Treating their joy as you would another person's joy. Levelling with them on their own terms, rather than yours. I believe this is the vital step in having them grow further, and I wish to expand on it and explore it.

There is also the flip side: Bringing them up to my level, and my outward existence. Letting them see things from my eyes, though without the ability to steer the boat, as it were. To let them come see my world, just as I come to see their's. The idea still applies: Allow their action and reaction to be their own, do not interfere or try to correct or change what they do or say directly. Rather, treat them as another when they do something, and if it is something you dislike, reprove or question them, rather than force them to change. This is the sort of technique I do, and wish to expand, putting in to practice.

Of course, there is the counter of this: Knowing where the response is coming from. I'll call it 'the act of identification'. The above assumes that this is not as big of an issue: Where the figure is speaking with a voice that is theirs, that their behaviour carries their presence, rather than the host's, etc. I feel these issues still stem from the inability to completely let go of control. In this case, the issue is that the host is still holding on to expectations, or their doubts. The former being a sort of standard of behaviour that the host desires their partner to stick to, the latter being as a weapon, where the host crushes things that do not meet a standard of believability. Or in another sense, doubt is the host not allowing the figure to affect them as another person would.

#14

I mentioned before how I was experimenting with overlaying wonderland onto reality, one useful thing that came of it is that if you find it hard for yourself to go to wonderland then overlay wonderland over the room you are in and close your eyes and try working from there.

#15

This next one gets a bit weird: if your tulpa doesn't have a distinct voice yet then record your own voice saying things your tulpa might say and play around with the pitch in a sound editing program like Audacity, my tulpa is female so I raised the pitch by about 200 cents and got to hear my "girly" voice, if I raised it 200 cents higher than that it would totally be anime-tier but who needs that? Right?

#16

As with any long project that spans many months, we can lose sight of why we are even doing it or what we are supposed to do, this includes tulpamancing where you get caught in silly mental routines that you just do and you forget why you even do them, like thinking about your tulpa or remembering their face or imagining them next to you, all those are useful things but they are useless by themselves. It is VERY important to believe that your tulpa is there but over time we tend to forget this, in fact, it is almost always there and it is almost always listening and watching, but you have to believe it, without belief nothing is possible, belief is like tulpa fuel. I recommend finding a source of motivation to reaffirm your "faith" in your tulpa and going there every few days or every time you begin to feel like your tulpa isn't real or if you stop feeling it at all, it is like sharpening a sword or charging your phone you have to do it almost daily.

>>14226

>>14234

I actually used my girls as a subject to draw when I was first getting myself back in to drawing. I made some personal work of them, and made some wallpapers, and I'm intending to do a project based around doing said walls.

In addition, I've been using my girl's forms as a way to remind myself of an idea that I feel will come in handy for me in the future. That is, that art has power. Though it is often subtle, and I doubt too many people will be as strongly affected by it as I was, I believe this idea will help take the work I do more seriously, and in turn affect the work I do for the better.

Speaking of art, what are you guy's favorite subjects? When thinking about tulpa related stuff, I've been really big on brightly colored scenery shots with girls in simple dresses like pic related. My tulpa are all female, and often where simple dresses themselves, so it's a near direct memory link for me.

To be more on-topic:

I've been working on ways to track and separate thoughts, so I can more accurately notice when something is coming directly from myself, when my girls is using my faculties to communicate, and when my girls are speaking on their own. I think this will help really refine my active forcing sessions, and make sure that the girls are more capable of doing things on their own, and not completely reliant on my direct attention. Hopefully it goes well.

>>14238

Just to clarify the question about preferred subjects of art: I mean in stuff by other people you like, rather than stuff you did yourselves. I realized there may be some confusion with the way I worded it, and I don't want to take credit for work I have not done. I've posted some work here, but it's in the tulpa picture thread. Didn't think it'd be appropriate to post that stuff here.

Though, if you do have a subject you really like drawing related to you tulpa, that's fine too.

#20

Whenever you can, it's good to talk to your tulpa out loud instead of just in your mind, this helps reinforce that you are actually talking to someone and that they are listening, it also helps you to concentrate and not let your mind wander.

#21

I have a theory that to get a tulpa sufficiently sentient, it requires a certain amount of obsessive-compulsive thinking and willpower (willpower might not even be necessary as in the case of Astro Boy creator) to the point where it reaches "critical mass" (like a nuke) or rather "critical sentience" at which it no longer requires your support in order to be sentient. In other words, you start off trying to think about your tulpa as much as possible (it is sentient only as long as you think about it), but what you should aim for is being unable to stop thinking about your tulpa even if you want to, at that point it has reached critical sentience

>>14238

>>14239

How long have you been doing art? I haven't really been following that thread, got any more of your pics to show?

My favourite subjects are dark fantasy settings, usually with big monumental scenery, I also like drawings of badass girls like in pics related (not my drawings). The art may be grim but it is the hope and optimism in the darkness of it that really turns me on (artistically of course).

My tulpa and wonderland is totally based on this kind of art and in turn my tulpa and wonderland inspire my own artwork. Getting a tulpa was the biggest help I got as an artist, not that it helps me to draw better or anything but because of all the motivation and inspiration that it gives.

>>14241

Those are some nice paintings indeed! I can definitely see those being super inspiring for both this and personal art. Kinda reminds me of my affection for Salvador Dali.

I've been doing drawing for most of my life, though it was on and off, and I nearly quit at points since I felt deficient and thought I wasn't getting anything out of it. I've been working to fight off that impression, and get myself back in to working, and improving my skills proper.

I used my tulpa as subjects not only because I wanted to do a more personal subject that would matter mainly to myself, thus avoiding being too caught up in what appealed to others, but also as a memory aid. I found that having an images of them around helped keep them in mind, for clear and obvious reasons. As well, it also helps get more details in as I go.

Here's a few things I did related to tulpa since you asked. My aim here was to take sketches I had lying around, and complete them, as I was in the habit of doing half-jobs, and I wanted to break it.

#22

Try to force your tulpa at the times when it is hardest to do so (eg: at a busy time of the day), that way it will stick around much easier when nothing is really going on.

#23

Some people like to make tulpa bracelets to remind them of their tulpas which is cool and fun but a quicker and more covert thing to do is to draw a symbol or some mark on your hand with a pen.

#24

Watch out for signs of tulpa activity, if you see anything even remotely weird then it's probably them, if you hear a robot-like voice then it's them, if you ever had headaches when starting out then it was them. Don't discredit your tulpa when it reaches out to you, take it as a confirmation of their existence and that they are aware of it when you communicate with them and pay attention to them.

#25

Understand and have an idea of what type of relationship you want to have with your tulpa, who is your tulpa to you? Who are you to them?

#26

"If you doubt your tulpa, it will doubt itself"- Don't doubt, doubt is dangerous, whatever you are doing is probably working and you will get proof of it sooner or later, and don't be paralyzed by not knowing what to do because you are afraid of doing something wrong, it is much better to do something wrong than to not do anything at all. Inaction is the only wrong thing you can do.