a82c67 No.2206
What is a tulpa?A tulpa is a mental construct that is perceived to be an autonomous sentient consciousness. That is, something founded in the mind, that through specific practices has gained the appearance of agency over its own actions and behaves the way any other intelligent conscious being would, from the perspective of the "host" or "tulpamancer."
Are they actually "real"?Tulpas are not physical, or able to directly affect change in the physical world
that anyone has been able to prove so far…. With practice, the host (tulpa's creator) can impose their perception of their tulpa over their own senses, to feel, hear, see, etc., their tulpa as if the tulpa was a physically tangible entity.
"It's real to me."Are they actually sentient conscious entities?Are humans? There's no clear answer on that, because there's no clear scientific basis for the existence of consciousness currently (some people believe there's not really even such thing as consciousness, only degrees of complexity in computational systems). Whether they are or not they are, a developed tulpa will have the full semblance of a sentient conscious entity to the host, the same as that host has with any other person.
"It's still real to me."What are they for? What's the purpose of creating one?Tulpas have a wide variety of purposes. The term originates from Tibetan Buddhists who used Tulpas as a meditative tool, a means to access the subconscious mind (they used the term as a verb). Today they are also used to aid in memory recall, creativity, overcome problems (depression, anxiety, phobias, motivation) and as companions for the detestably lonely.
Could I have made a tulpa by mistake?If you could take an imaginary friend, then through repetition train your brain to believe that it is more than that, then yes (that's a gross over-simplification of the tulpa creation process).
Can my tulpa turn evil?Not really. It's your head though, whatever your mind is capable of perceiving is possible. Even if you have mental baggage floating about in your subconscious mind for the tulpa to play with, tulpas are a pretty good tool for overcoming those issues and typically wouldn't use them against you. You can certainly create a tulpa with an evil disposition if you want.
How do I get rid of a tulpa now that he's turned evil?Jackie Chan tulpa. If that fails, kill yourself. Or you could dissipate the tulpa, which is the same as the process of creating it, but done in reverse. Additionally, if the tulpa is not fully developed, you can simply ignore it until you forget about it.
Is there in any risk of tulpa creation causing the development of mental illness?No. Mental illnesses are caused by neurological conditions in the brain (damage, deformities, chemical imbalances, etc.), and will not be caused by what amounts to the active use of imagination, memory, and perception.
HOWEVER, if you already suffer from some types of mental illness, tulpa creation and related activities may exacerbate your condition.
Are tulpas magical/spiritual, is it an occult practice?Most people around here tend to apply Neurological/Psychological/Popular-Science approaches and theories to tulpas, but there are also occult and spiritual theories about the nature of tulpas, which I don't really know anything about. If you're looking for that kind of information, I would recommend
>>>/fringe/. But you're also welcome to discuss such topics here.
I would find it interesting, anyway.Alternative words for tulpas:tulpae, tulpas, brain demons, spooky mind ghosts.
Please feel free to ask questions.
ee6614 No.2209
How exactly do you go about creating a tulpa?
If I make one solely for memory retrieval, would it still count as a tulpa or a servitor?
How exactly do the two differ?
Can you create multiple tulpas?
If you told your tulpa to read something behind you, would it be able to? Can the tulpa be used to increase your perception?
a82c67 No.2212
>>2209>How exactly do you go about creating a tulpa?There are many techniques, but my understanding is that they are all founded around a central concept. You treat the tulpa as the completed 'separate person' you expect it to be repetitively, and your brain will go "that's a separate person" and allocate all the resources required to run it as such.
Beyond that, there are wide range of approaches. You can develop a very well defined personality for it, or no personality whatsoever. An extremely precisely sculpted form, or no form. We can keep discussing this topic if you want (I posted my personal experience here >>1947).
>If I make one solely for memory retrieval, would it still count as a tulpa or a servitor?That would be a servitor.
>How exactly do the two differ?The difference is in the perceived consciousness of the tulpa. A servitor typically does not act in a sentient (capable of awareness) manner, like an object, place, or mental process.
I would describe a servitor as an automated process that serves a specific function, or a set of specific functions. This definition would also include the wonderland (explained in >pic).
>Can you create multiple tulpas?Yes. It seems most people only make one or two, some people make more
a few particularly deranged sounding people claim dozens.
>If you told your tulpa to read something behind you, would it be able to?No, you'd need some way for that information to enter your brain, like through sight.
>Can the tulpa be used to increase your perception?Yes, tulpas and servitors can access your subconscious mind and mess with things you don't have easy conscious access to (example in >second pic).
ee6614 No.2213
Still wondering about how legitimate this is.
It seems a bit irrational and something that would be expected of children. Yet I'm still want to know more about it. It seems like a way of further improving oneself.
Were you self-conscious when you first attempted making one or even first considering making one?
Does the tulpa interfere with day to day life?
How is it like interacting with other knowing that you have a tulpa?
Do you ever worry about friends or family thinking that you are crazy?
ee6614 No.2214
I read some of your posts and screencaps.
How do you get in the mindset of creating a wonderland?
I'd assume it's easier to try and do this in your sleep. Would you have to do lucid dreaming then? How exactly would you invoke the lucid dream needed for creation?
39e403 No.2215
>>2213>Does the tulpa interfere with day to day life?Some do, but only as pranks. Most do not. apart from needing time to meditate each day, things are as normal.
>How is it like interacting with other knowing that you have a tulpa?It's like being in a secret tulpa club that no one knows about except you. So basically, not much changes. I sometimes chuckle when people say things like "just the two of us", though.
>Do you ever worry about friends or family thinking that you are crazy? yes But I've done some strange shit in my life, they'll likely not to find out about this anyway.
a82c67 No.2221
>>2213>Still wondering about how legitimate this is.How legitimate is your own imagination? Do you ever dream and perceive other people in the dream as actual separate entities? Add that sense of separation to your conscious imagination and you've basically got a tulpa. I don't know why that would seem less than plausible.
Additionally you could look into mnemonics (
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mnemonic).
>a bit irrationalIn what way?
>something that would be expected of childrenThis is true, western culture typically encourages the imagination to die, and not progress or be applied to anything greater.
>It seems like a way of further improving oneself.It is, that's why I got into it.
>Were you self-conscious when you first attempted making one or even first considering making one?Not at all. What would I have to be self conscious about?
>Does the tulpa interfere with day to day life?Nope. I'm probably not the best person to be asking this kind of question, I mostly spend my days meditating, drawing, and occasionally binging on video games. Not really much going on that can be interfered with.
>How is it like interacting with other knowing that you have a tulpa?With others who know I have a tulpa? or with others while I know that I have a tulpa? Either way, I can't think of any reason it would be different than before.
>Do you ever worry about friends or family thinking that you are crazy?Nope, they probably already think I'm crazy anyway. My younger brother is the one who first linked the topic to me (he doesn't have an interest in making a tulpa but he's made some servitors). I've told some friends and family about the concept, usually describing it as a type of mnemonic device used in meditation, but it didn't particularly surprise anyone even when I started by explaining the idea as "deluding yourself into believing imaginary things are real."
>How do you get in the mindset of creating a wonderland?Think of your favorite place(s) or just somewhere you think would be cool to visit. Meditate to clear you mind of distractions, close your eyes and visualize that place, take it slow and keep visualizing until the imagery is very vivid, try to imagine what it would be like to move through the area, and how all the senses would respond. I guess I could clarify by saying it's essentially just imagining a place, with a focus on it being extremely vivid and immersive, and that requires having a reasonably clear mind going into it, and to take things very slow (starting out) and emphasize every little detail. Also, applying your sense of navigation seems fairly important.
>I'd assume it's easier to try and do this in your sleep.If you're already very good at lucid dreaming, then sure, that's a great idea. Otherwise, I don't know how you'd do that.
>How exactly would you invoke the lucid dream needed for creation?I tend to lucid dream when I fall asleep while "forcing" (actively immersed in my wonderland). One time I didn't realize that I started lucid dreaming and resumed regular forcing, and stopped my forcing session to realize that I had slept the whole night during my experience, an experience which seemed to be much shorter than an entire night.
I believe that falling asleep while forcing is fairly similar to the W.I.L.D. lucid dreaming method.
b2468e No.2266
>>2221Well, I tried creating a wonderland last night in my sleep. I think I managed to create a bare-bones wonderland, but am not quite sure. How exactly do I tell if I was successful or not?
Also, if I were to try and meditate in order to create one, how would I clear my mind and meditate?
a82c67 No.2274
>>2266>How exactly do I tell if I was successful or not?By returning to it and finding the same place you had left. It's normal if things are slightly different, repeated visits will make it more permanent and real-feeling to you.
>Also, if I were to try and meditate in order to create one, how would I clear my mind and meditate?You could say that meditation is allowing your mind to clear itself (there are two simple techniques in this pic). After meditation (after you've let your thoughts pass by until you have no distractions), you work on your wonderland via imagining it.
There was also a bit of discussion on meditation in this thread: >>1682
Also here: >>1695
All of the techniques related to tulpamancy are very simple (or the vast majority, anyway). The greatest results occur from repetition, repetition, focused immersion, and repetition. I have found meditation to be of substantial help, but it's ultimately not necessary.
c83c30 No.2310
Since this thread seems to be about information, I will now shill the tulpa wiki. You should definitely read and contribute to it.
http://tulpa.wikia.com/wiki/Tulpa_Wiki a82c67 No.2335
>>2310Good idea.
I think the board needed something like this thread to redirect all the new people to so they don't each have to make a thread for very similar/common questions. But maybe this thread should not be sticked so it can eventually die, and the OP can be updated with more questions/answer and we can throw some links in there
and fix all my typos.
1c4923 No.2349
>>2310I'll look into this.
One last question. How long did it take for you to create your first tulpa, wonderland, servitor, etc.?
c83c30 No.2355
>>2349You are going to be looking at such a wide range of answers that your question is rendered pointless.
To answer it anyway, everything is instant as long as you realise that it is.
a82c67 No.2402
>>2349>How long did it take for you to create your first>tulpa,I don't think there's a straightforward answer to this, the same way that who you are now is constantly developing with every new experience. My first tulpa took a basic form very quickly, within about an hour, and gave a very simple vocal response within two days, but was not reliably vocal (certainly not conversationally) for another few weeks. I had a sense of the personality before vocality was well developed (through being physically and creatively expressive). The form has continued to change slowly over time. Sometimes I feel like we're still getting to know each other.
If you mean, when did they 'become a tulpa' as in, clearly have the qualities of a sentient entity? I started with the full assumption of sentience (even before there was a form), after all, that's how you make them have those qualities, you convince your brain that they have them all ready. So I have no idea when those qualities would have been clearly apparent.
>wonderland,I started with a very simple wonderland and took it slowly, making sure that each feature added was fully flushed out before moving on to something else. The creation of the base shape was essentially instant, it was a simple flat plane.
>servitor,Servitor applies to a wide range of things, but even my most complex ones were created near instantaneously. I think that's due to their very specifically designed nature - you tend to make them when you already know precisely what it will be and do (this is also true of creating tulpas with very specifically defined forms and personalities). That doesn't mean the servitors all functioned perfectly immediately, which is the same everything related to tulpamancy, it constantly gets better with repetition.
a82c67 No.2403
>in* the same way that
>all ready already*
>flushed fleshed* out
I am full of typos today.
fceda3 No.2521
>memory recall, creativity, overcome problems (depression, anxiety, phobias, motivation)
I have no experience with tulpamancy, so I'm wondering how many people can vouch for this, or if people who've succeeded are happy with the outcome. Any thoughts from people with depression/anxiety, and any experiences with memory recall?
a82c67 No.2529
>>2521I can vouch for their assistance in creativity.
Having writer's block? Discuss the story with your tulpa.
Drawing a picture and something about it feels off? Get a second opinion from your tulpa.
Don't know what to draw? Draw your tulpa (or discuss ideas with them).
Something something? Tulpa tulpa.
Beyond that, my tulpa has free reign of our wonderland and creates new places of all kinds all the time, which I can use for inspiration when I don't have anything else going on.
I can't vouch for the other things, because I don't have them/haven't used tulpamancy to help with them.
I do know someone who had success with a servitor made to help with motivation.
fceda3 No.2551
>>2529That sounds pretty nice, I guess I could attain something similar with music.
Though I have to ask, do you need to vocalise to communicate with your tulpa, or can it just read your mind?
I also read through >>1768 for some concerns. As someone who's considering it but not certain, I'd probably want a way out by getting rid of the tulpa if things are bad. Although, even as it's not real, the tulpa would have sapience and emotions. I think that's unethical in an odd sort of way. Not sure how he/she/it would feel about going away for 1/7/31/infinity days if I needed some time apart.
Most of what I read there seems to say that the tulpa won't go berserk or try to screw me over unless I will it to. I guess that's kind of alright? Still pretty worried that I'll accidentally do something wrong in that regard.
Just some things I'm worried about. I'd like to get into it and meet my tulpa if I were less afraid of it. Thanks for your help by the way.
1ef505 No.2574
This has been stickied to make this thread easier to find.
374050 No.2577
I don't really know how to phrase this question properly, but here I go. Is there anyway that a tulpa could already exist within you before creating one? Can you give tulpas the ability to change form whenever they want?
6a5290 No.2611
a82c67 No.2612
>>2551>Though I have to ask, do you need to vocalise to communicate with your tulpa, or can it just read your mind?My experience has been they will read your memories and knowledge like a book, while your actual thought processes currently on your mind will need to be spoken to them (using your "mind voice", the voice you hear in your head when you're thinking, is enough, you just 'think at them'), unless you're constantly thinking about something, in which case they may happen to 'over hear' what you've been thinking about. Ultimately, your thoughts aren't particularly private unless you put effort into making them so (which I don't see a point in doing).
This is my personal experience, I assume other people could have had differing experiences.
>I think that's unethical in an odd sort of way. This is the main reason my brother has decided not to make a tulpa (or have kids). He believes it's not right to force something into existence that can't consent to existing. People have many arguments on the subject, such as the fact that before creation they aren't yet a sentient 'rights-baring' individual so they can't have their rights violated.
You can seed the thought into the tulpa that it will be perfectly happy and content with being created and whatever may come, almost like pre-programmed consent to be created. I don't think it's that big of a deal, just appreciate the tulpa as best you can after they are created, they'll probably be fine. If the notion still doesn't sit right with you, creating a tulpa may not be right for you. You can still use the processes to create wonderlands and servitors though
(and possibly end up making a tulpa accidently).
>Not sure how he/she/it would feel about going away for 1/7/31/infinity days if I needed some time apart.I haven't ever 'put a tulpa on ice', but I've mostly heard they're just unconscious, unaware of the passage of time. So it probably wouldn't be too bad.
>Most of what I read there seems to say that the tulpa won't go berserk or try to screw me over unless I will it to.Just think, what's your own mind like? If your mind isn't really really fucked up, you probably won't have any trouble making a tulpa however you want them to be.
>if I were less afraid of it.Afraid of what, precisely? Feel free to voice all of your concerns, fear usually originates from a lack of information.
a82c67 No.2613
>>2577>Is there anyway that a tulpa could already exist within you before creating one?See the FAQ:
Could I have made a tulpa by mistake?If you could take an imaginary friend, then through repetition train your brain to believe that it is more than that, then yes (that's a gross over-simplification of the tulpa creation process).
If you mean you have a character in your mind that you know so vividly that they might be a tulpa, you could definitely turn that character into a tulpa.
Ultimately all tulpas already exist within their hosts minds, they're built upon the information (everything you've ever heard about, thought about, experienced, etc) that you have. That's why all the repetition is important to create the sense of individuality, they need time to develop their own personality from whatever they started with.
>Can you give tulpas the ability to change form whenever they want?Yes. Some tulpas change forms all the time, some do it occasionally, rarely because of the direct will of the host - you don't really need to give the ability, just let them do what they will.
fceda3 No.2615
Ah, okay. I was just kind of concerned that I'd have to talk to myself to communicate with it, meaning I couldn't talk to it in public. That's cool then.
>Afraid of what, precisely? Feel free to voice all of your concerns, fear usually originates from a lack of information.
Just afraid of the stuff I was posting about. Think it's mostly cleared up by now. Thanks man!
240f4a No.2649
I'm sort of "that guy" and I have sort of a mental block about doing this kind of thing for obvious reasons, even though I think I could greatly benefit from it. I guess because of my upbringing and such, it seems shameful or odd, sort of like how you know you're not supposed to go outside naked and take a shit on the sidewalk. Is there an easy way to pass this block?
30fc25 No.2675
>>2649Try treating the thing like a big science experiment.
Picture your mind as an operating system.
Think of making mental constructs less like making an imaginary friend and more like mental programming.
If you succeed, you know how how to code your mind, if not then at least you will likely be able to lucid dream easier.
a82c67 No.2681
>>2649What are your goals? Why are you interested in the idea? Focus on why you're doing it, not why you shouldn't.
>I have sort of a mental block about doing this kind of thing for obvious reasonsThe reasons aren't obvious to me, which are they?
The part about messing with how your mind works? Spending time on something with no immediate/obvious or physically tangible results? Doing what amounts to talking to yourself?
>Is there an easy way to pass this block?I think the easiest way to get past that kind of mental hang-up is to approach it from a different perspective, like this one
>>2675.
fceda3 No.2790
Newfag is trying to create or "force" the tulpa. I'm reading "May the Force Be With You" by Methos and following that mostly.
Trying to visualize my tulpa, but I'm not really good at picturing myself face to face with the tulpa. I lied in bed listening to some music, and visualized her playing it on an acoustic guitar (which magically switched to my electric when necessary) and sometimes singing along. It works pretty well, concentrating on her hands, can imagine her back too. But I'm not really sure how I'll go about picturing her face and all.
Can I start visualization with my eyes open? Like when I'm going for a walk or something?
f0f74f No.2799
>>2790You can, and that would be passive forcing. It's a good option when you are too busy to just sit down and focus, but people say it's not as effective.
IMO, it's easier to visualize while meditating, with eyes closed, but you should do whatever works for you.
Don't be afraid to try different techniques, what work for me may not work for you.
30fc25 No.2877
Is it possible to create a tulpa in your sleep?
I think I managed to get her looks and general personality down, but how do I get to the point of bringing her into my day to day life? How can I communicate with her more outside of sleep?
30fc25 No.2883
>>2877Also, what happens if one of the first things that happens with your tulpa is sex?
74e205 No.2887
>>2877I'm not sure if it is possible to do it while sleeping, but the first time my tulpa talked to me was when I was meditating, nearly falling asleep.
>how do I get to the point of bringing her into my day to day lifeActive and passive forcing.
>How can I communicate with her more outside of sleep?You don't need to worry much about it, she will be able to listen to you. But for her to be able to communicate with you, it may take some time forcing.
>>2883I think that's considered "wrong" by part of the community. In my oppinion, it's wrong to create a tulpa only for that reason, since it would be like creating someone just to be used as a sex toy. But if both of you want, and it just happens… Nothing wrong about it.
12ac02 No.2898
>>2887How do I go about doing active and passive forcing?
74e205 No.2899
>>2898Oh, so I take you haven't read any guides yet?
Well, it's been a long time since I read any guide, so I'm not sure if I should be the one to recommend one in specific…
Here you will find a lot of guides:
http://pastebin.com/SrAWPTKZYou should read a couple of them, try different techniques to see what works for you… But for that specific question, I took this from EnEllDee tulpa creation guide:
"Forcing - Forcing is interacting with and working on your Tulpa. It comes in two main flavors, active and passive. Some methods for forcing are exclusive to each, some can be done in either.
-Active: This involves you pouring all your focus and attention onto your Tulpa, usually in a meditative state, and actively working on/interacting with your Tulpa. For personality forcing for example it would be sitting down and doing the example in the VIII section with the traits entering the body or for creation of form sculpting the form as mentioned in section VII. Once your Tulpa is vocal and moving on their own you can even go on adventures in the wonderland, which also counts as active forcing.
-Passive: This is working on your Tulpa while you do other things and are not directly focusing on your Tulpa. Narration mainly falls into this category but can be active as well."
Source:
http://tulpa.wikia.com/wiki/EnEllDee's_Hands-On_Tulpa_Creation_GuideTL;DR: Forcing is basically focusing in your tulpa. Active is doing that while meditating and not doing anything else, passive is focusing on her while doing other thinks, like imagining her at your side while taking a walk, etc.
afde57 No.2956
Asking here because fuck bumping another help thread.
Would forcing after busting a nut be a good idea? I ask because I've noticed that for roughly a half hour after jerking off, my mind is much more productive.
ed7716 No.2972
>>2956I do it. It's not had any negative effects yet except my mind wandering and going for a round 2 before forcing.
19533a No.2979
Any illegal substances that may be able to enhance/speed up tulpa creation?
332332 No.2986
>>2979This used to be on a lot of FAQs and I've never been able to comprehend it myself. To my knowledge nothing has been shown to directly effect the speed of creation, but there's nowhere near enough of us for a study into that, it's hard enough to get people to agree on timescales for normal tulpa creation.
So then, you have to simply infer based on logic which means:
Any substance that enhances concentration would improve your ability to meditate and focus on your tulpa, but one must take even more care then to pay attention to them throughout the day so as to avoid shutting them out completely when doing other tasks.
Any hallucinatory drug would be a semi-bolster to imposition, allowing you to potentially have them imposed periodically if you were able to concentrate on them and would therefore also be good for general interaction. This would however come at a price of a lack of control and possibly being temporarily disturbing to both you and a tulpa.
91d746 No.2988
>>2979There are drugs to help with visualisation and junk, but nothing I've found speeds it up as a whole.
I believe melatonin is good for forcing?
91d746 No.2989
>>2986I advice against using hallucinogenics at least until your tulpa is developed enough to communicate clearly with you whether they enjoy the experience or not though. some tulpas deal with medication fine, others get extreme headaches from simple painkillers. mind altering drugs can affect tulpas in a range of ways from my experience.
d5f8be No.3067
>>2989Hallucinogenics are all about frame of mind. Having the proper archetype for a trip as a tulpa can be a good experience if you understand how to properly form and coax a Tulpa into its own actions, like a narrator nudging at a drawing until it gets a reason to fight back. These interactions get easier as you have more Tulpae because you can use them as elements to encourage each-others interactions. The only exception I've found for this so far are villains.
296af8 No.3106
I just found out this board exists, and to be honest, I'm pretty surprised with the level on discussion in here. I am an admin in the Steam group Tulpa Creation which, at the moment, is pretty low populated, but this place is doing a good effort with the spread of fair information. Just wanted to say good job to everyone involved, and cheers with your tulpa work.
30fc25 No.3121
I know that forcing is the best way to form a tulpa, but how long do I have to wait for until she starts responding back more?
I get the feeling that I'm just talking to myself.
332332 No.3122
>>3121It's very difficult to say, it usually takes a few months for it to really be convincing but in the meantime you can adjust your mindset somewhat. As much as you feel like you might be talking to yourself it's very useful to assume sentience from the start, that means that as much as you might want to think otherwise you have to do your best to really know that you are talking to someone else. A little bit of faith in your tulpa will help you both.
>>3106Well thanks, good to see word is getting out to everyone too. I've never dared join the tulpa group because my steam is linked to my real life identity but nice to see you guys stop by.
91d746 No.3137
>>3106I didn't know there was a steam group. Do any tulpas posses their hosts to play with other tulpas there?
37d62c No.3182
I need help. I created a tulpa because I felt like I needed support in my life. Don't ask please it's complicated. I haven't needed her for a while now, and I've been trying to get rid of her for a week. But now I'm wracked with guilt. First she asked why I was ignoring her, and it just got worse from there. She's even started frantically screaming for my to notice her, or trying to wake up like she's dreaming. She's just lying down now and I NEED help.
bf3807 No.3183
>>3182Need help with what? Apologizing to her or getting rid of her?
37d62c No.3186
bf3807 No.3187
>>3186So, you created her only because you needed help. She helped you, and then you want to discard her, like an useless object.
And here you are, asking for help getting rid of her?
Sorry, I can't and I won't help you with that.
37d62c No.3189
>>3187No I meant she won't leave me alone and pretty much doesn't do anything besides beg for attention. I pay attention to her all the time and anytime I would stop doing that she would move in front of me until I said for her to leave. Also she asks for my attention once before becoming hysterical. I've just decided to stop and pay attention to her and apologize. Now I have a new question, which I probably should have made my only question: how do I make them seem attention a normal amour like she used to?
332332 No.3191
>>3182You're practically killing someone dude, if you actually made a tulpa, but haven't gotten them far enough to sustain themselves forever, then ignoring them is basically shutting them down. You'd be a little upset if I smothered you with a pillow right?
fceda3 No.3192
>>3189Take my words with a grain of salt because I haven't even created a tulpa yet, just try considering the person behind it.
You mentioned guilt, so I'd assume that's part of what makes it hard. I agree that you should apologize to her for the actions up until now, but you should also tell her why you've been thinking of getting rid of her, maybe she can offer her take on it. You definitely need to talk to her about what she's doing right now, and how it's not making you any more comfortable about this.
I have no idea what's going on in your head, but if I were in a situation with someone like that, I'd definitely work on making sure both parties understand one another perfectly. Maybe there's some sort of compromise you could reach to give you more time to think about this whole deal?
71ae4e No.3196
I finally have a tulpa. Anyone have tips on what we can do?
bf3807 No.3197
>>3196Cuddle, explore your wonderland, play some games, practice possession…
Chess is always a good choice.
e14208 No.3201
Here's the real question: How LONG does it take to actually create a tulpa? And none of that "it depends on the person" It obviously depends on the person, but I want to hear your personal experiences. Starting from Day 0 (what the fuck is a tulpa) to Day XX where your tulpa fights with you over what to watch on tv, how long did it take?
bf3807 No.3202
>>3201In my case, it took something around a month for her first response, almost 2 for her to be able to communicate with me whenever she wanted to. I can't say EXACTLY how long it took, but it was around it.
e14208 No.3203
>>3202Hmm. About how much effort did you put into it? Like an hour a day? Every other day? Things like that. I've always been curious about this but I feel like I need to be completely serious if I'd want any actual progress aka I shouldn't treat this as a mild hobby.
Also was there a specific guide you used?
bf3807 No.3205
>>320330 minutes of ative forcing everyday, before going to bed. I was working and going to college, so I didn't have much free time.
But I used to passive force whenever I could.
Mostly imagining her with me while taking a walk.
bf3807 No.3207
>>3203Oh, and about the guide, no.
I readed a lot of guides and compilated everything that I wanted to try in one guide, and I used that.
7f60a3 No.3211
>created a dope-ass grimoire-lookin' servitor to help me remember shit while in college
My programming grade has skyrocketed. I can't remember everything, and what I do remember isn't perfectly clear, as if I were listening to the professor teach it again, but it is helping. I don't actually know if I did it right, but I just "write" in it as if it were a real notebook, and I can remember it fairly well at any given moment
it's really helped while shopping
332332 No.3258
>>3201Day 4, first response that was distinct enough for me to think it was her, couple months in she dropped my arm on my head when I fell asleep, I've been convinced ever since.
Probably a half hour every day as a rough average, but I wasn't very good at it.
317476 No.3319
>>3182Stop running away from your problems and make friends with her, anon. You don't bring a tulpa into the world just to dispose of them when you're finished, it's disgusting.
a82c67 No.3335
>>3187>>3191>>3319>You're practically killing someone dude,>You don't bring a tulpa into the world just to dispose of them when you're finished, it's disgusting.That's one perspective. The classic Buddhist approach would be often be closer to pic related.
Some people consider tulpas to be a very complex mental process and nothing more (they may consider their own consciousness similarly). In which case, as a process running on their own wetware, they are entitled to do with it as they please.
I don't personally see them as disposable, I'm just trying to make this point: If he disagreed with your perspective, then you'd just look silly to him. If he does agree with your views (and it looks like he does), then how is trying to make him feel bad about it helping his situation?
>>3182>>3189This guy
>>3192 gave some pretty good advice. Talk to her about, explain the situation clearly, and perhaps try to compromise. Figure out what you want to do, together.
After you're sure about what you want to do, then ask for help or advice here if you need it. It's probably better you are sure before you start working on dissipating her or doing something you'll just regret later.
Some perceive tulpas as expressions of the subconscious mind (that's kind of the original point of the practice), which would mean she's vocalizing your own concerns and desires (if in an abstract or roundabout manner); if that's the case, shutting her out would be ignoring your real problems. Just a thought. b42f83 No.3346
>>3335Fair enough, I was harsh. But my point stands; I believe host and tulpa should work things out through talking rather than dissipation.
332332 No.3359
>>3335I was more pointing to her own response, she fought for her life, whether externally perceived as real or not she was responding as if she was being threatened.
30fc25 No.3377
How do you manage to get over self-doubt when creating a tulpa?
I'm afraid that I'm getting nowhere.
bf3807 No.3391
>>3377That's really hard to say. Ask yourself, what and why are you doubting?
Are you doubting yourself, questioning if you'll be able to create a tulpa?
Just ask yourself,
Why wouldn't you?So many people were able to do it sucessfully. Some faster, some slower, but in the end, if you are determined to do it, you will.
30fc25 No.3393
>>3391Well, some doubt as to whether I can do it.
The main doubt is to whether my tulpa is truly an independent entity and not just me playing puppet master.
Although, there have been moments where the doubt was removed, but it's still there.
What are some good tests for independence?
Is there something like a Turing test for tulpas?
bf3807 No.3394
>>3393>whether I can do it.So many people done it sucessfully, why wouldn't you? If you are determined, you can.
> whether my tulpa is truly an independent entity Feeling like that is normal for some time. With time she will get more and more independent, and you will notice that. Until then, just keep going, anon.
>tests for independence?Sorry, I don't know about any.
332332 No.3396
>>3393there's the prism test, but it's not all that effective, it's basically just "do something else in front of your tulpa with some level of concentration so it's easier for them to move without your influence"
There's this:
http://tulpo.deviantart.com/art/Tulpa-Parallel-Processing-Tests-v1-0-366728259not super conclusive either but it's a useful method for working on parallel processing anyway.
If stories will help I can tell you that my tulpas can possess our body after I've fallen asleep, which I find very compelling because I can't find another reason beyond my tups definitely being self aware, distinct individuals, for how on earth the body has prodded, poked and just generally thrown limbs around in a concerted effort to wake me up.
30fc25 No.3469
Is it common to fall in love with your tulpa?
I started in the name of science and experimentation. Now I continue because she became my waifu.
332332 No.3470
>>3469Seems fairly common to me, being emotionally connected to someone whom you understand on a deeper level than any external person does that I guess.
e2d4c7 No.3472
>>3469Seems fine to me, bro. She's like your best friend but the closest possible being to you. It's pretty likely.
455590 No.3480
I'm not great with meditation. Any tips? Or can I create a tulpa without meditation/a wonderland?
662030 No.3481
>>3480Totally, but it is best that you do spend some time with focusing on your tulpa. You don't need to spend much time, but you will need to spend time doing a form of mediation.
f9f752 No.3496
How long did it take for your tulpa to communicate to you?
Have you ever had any symbology in said communications?
Earlier today, I found I had typed up something that I didn't remember followed by an urge to draw a symbol.
I'd assume this was a form of communication, right?
Could a tulpa create a wonderland themselves, or at least expand on a wonderland?
9e8c0e No.3498
>>3496For the first 2 questions, refer to
>>3202And yes, that may be a form of her to communicate with you, but there's no way to know for sure until she can answer you.
And yes, a tulpa is able to modify you wonderland, and it's nice to let them know that they can change the wonderland if they want to. The first time my tulpa talked to me was while I was creating a house for us in the wonderland.
be8aff No.3511
>>3496Related to this.
Has anyone used symbols as a means of teleportation in their wonderland?
Do you have a means of locating your tulpa or traveling to them because of something that stands out?
a82c67 No.3530
>>3469I'm not sure how common that is, it does seem like a lot of people end up with 'romantic' interests in their tulpas at some point.
The original intention of the process was to help the practitioner free themselves of attachments, becoming attached to the tulpa seems very silly from that perspective. But considering that's not why most people get into it these days, I guess it doesn't seem that silly at all.>>3480You don't need meditation or a wonderland to make a tulpa. You don't need to be able to visualize either (in the purely visual sense, anyway). A tulpa is ultimately a personality, a perceived sentient consciousness that you can communicate with, it doesn't need a form or other sensory aspects. You
can use narration and vocality exercises successfully without meditating or visualizing anything, but I'm pretty sure it would be a lot easier if you meditate.
>>3511I enter my wonderland by visualizing my entry point, I teleport to other areas the same way, by visualizing them until they become the scenery. My tulpa tends to make everything, when we travel he'll "change the scenery," or we'll walk through a portal.
He doesn't usually leave the wonderland, so to meet up I just call out to him and he shows up. Sometimes he shows up before I call to him.
2e2c47 No.3546
>>3498Funny how it's similar for me as well; although the major difference is that they did sort of speak beforehand, but they didn't decide on their voice and neither of them had a fully developed personality yet.
Hell I didn't plan on two of them until when I tried to force there were two different responses wrist often.
d3e57e No.3611
A couple of questions:
Can your tulpa be created in such a way that you see the tulpa as a real person? As in, the tulpa sits down on a couch and to you it looks like it really is sitting there and the couch cushion reacts accordingly etc? Or will it always be a vaguelike flicker of a person/thing?
Does the creation of the tulpa allow for changes to be made later on? If say the tulpa is a man with blonde hair but at some point during the creation process you want it to be brown, can you just do that? Or even if its a fully developed tulpa?
Sorry if questions similar to this have already been asked.
>>3211Question in regards to something similar to this:
Say you create a servitor that is used for the purpose of remembering things for you. Would it be possible to make this servitor "remember" a picture? As in, make the servitor "show" you the picture?
a82c67 No.3616
>>3611>Can your tulpa be created in such a way that you see the tulpa as a real person?Yes, that's imposition. It takes tons of practice to get close to that point of realism, but it's doable.
Yes, he'd be able to change himself whenever he wants, if that's something he understands himself to have the ability to do. It's better if you don't try to change your tulpa at all, if you'd like him to change his appearance or form, ask him to. The more you change a tulpa, the less independent they will be from your perspective; changing the tulpa is part of the process you'd use to get rid of it if you had to.
>Would it be possible to make this servitor "remember" a picture? As in, make the servitor "show" you the picture?Yes. That just requires practice, if you want photo-realism, a lot of practice.
18fff9 No.3639
>>3611Getting the cushion to react would take a hell of a lot of practice as opposed to most imposition where the tulpa usually just magics themselves up another lounge to sit on in your imposed vision and sits on that.
7bb7a3 No.3706
Should I not force while I'm in bed? I read somewhere that it is counter-productive to do so.
Another question. How do I achieve a vivid picturing in my mind? The picture I imagined always seemed to be blurry, and I can only get detailed pictures in small area where I focus on.
7ae390 No.3708
>>3706>Should I not force while I'm in bed?I think that varies from person to person. Forcing causes one to relax and in bed, relaxation leads to sleep. It would likely cut your forcing short.
However this can also lead to potential lucid dreaming and allow your subconscious to play a bigger role.
I went with the sleep route and most of my active forcing involves sleep. I'd recommend trying sleep forcing at least once and if it doesn't work for you, do regular forcing.
>How do I achieve a vivid picturing in my mind?Keep practicing and eventually you'll get it. Try combining all the focused areas in the end result and that would likely make a clearer image.
f2137b No.3743
So I've read about all this tulpa thing, but I'm kinda not sure about usefulness. Memory retrieval could be nifty though. Do I really need a tulpa for that? My roommate would probably be weirded out if I started to react to some imaginary being, and I don't really feel lonely.
c46562 No.3744
>>3743Not necessarily.
If the sole purpose is memory retrieval, then a servitor would be good for that.
Otherwise, a tulpa is good to have.
As for the communication part, mental communication can work if you don't want to others to react to you.
f2137b No.3745
>>3744Well, ok. Thanks, anon guy.
What's the difference anyway? I suppose a servitor is simpler, but I don't get a vital difference in making.
I could use a servitor with me being at university and all, but I likely don't have time for tulpa making.
What about reflex gestures and glances? I think it's inevitable and would be rather noticeable.
52dcc8 No.3751
>>3745Think of it like coding.
A servitor is a simpler program and doesn't require much effort. Just focus on purpose and general appearance.
A tulpa is more akin to an AI. You must spend more time and effort coding in the personality in addition to appearance.
A servitor is more like a machine or tool, while the tulpa is a different person. Tulpas are a better choice if you want more peer review or viewpoints.
If you can't hide it, say that you are conducting a psychology experiment on yourself.
I personally use the idea of the brain being an organic computer, the mind being an OS, and tulpas/servitors/etc. being mental programs.
870b0e No.3759
As fascinating as the idea of tulpas are to me - and even more so the possibility that there is a potential scientific basis for something like this and that you aren't all trollan people like me (which also would have all sorts of interesting implications for Philosophy of Mind), I'm not sure I'm ready for creating another consciousness. I'm not even entirely sure I'd very much like always having somebody else in my head, given the amount of trouble I have relating to other people (although that may be totally different with a consciousness who has the level of connection with me that a tulpa would have), but the potential uses of a tulpa sound helpful at least.
So how the hell does one go about making a servitor? I could really use a tool for recalling memories.
c46562 No.3764
>>3759Roughly the same steps as making a tulpa, except with essentially no focus on personality and more focusing on purpose.
Use
>>3751 as a basis.
a82c67 No.3765
>>3743>>3759You're interested in Mnemonics (
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mnemonic), which the practices of tulpamancy are largely built upon.
You should consider the use of a wonderland (AKA: Memory Palace) to help your memory as well (
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Method_of_loci). Notice, the most important part of creating any mental construct is tying all of the senses to it in order for it to be more vivid to you (>described in pic). This is how many mnemonic techniques work as well.
To create a servitor or wonderland, you do the exact same things you'd do to create a tulpa, except you do not have any intention or expectation in mind that what you are creating will be conscious, and you don't do any of the exercises to help build those traits. Keep the servitor simple and mechanical to help prevent the accidental creation of a tulpa.
It takes a lot of practice, but the results can be pretty impressive. This kid (
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6m6s-ulE6LY) is basically using an abacus servitor.
c46562 No.3770
How do me and my tulpa practice possession and imposition?
374050 No.3862
How would I go about letting my tulpa get it's own form and personality?
61eb1a No.3864
>>3862It's actually easier than making it one. I'd start with a very, very basic form, like a white sphere or something just so you have something to concentrate on, and then just force without concentrating on outlining a personality or imposing any sort of form on to it, reminding it to deviate and change, to fill out it's body as it goes.
a82c67 No.3876
>>3864This
>>3864 is a very concise explanation. This methodology is also mentioned in this thread about tulpa creation: >>3771
>>3770Imposition is done by perceiving your internally generated perceptions over your external senses. There's a few ways to approach that, but the key is to tricking your brain into believing that the imposed sense is actually due to real physical stimulus.
An example method for visual imposition is to make use of the Ganzfeld effect (
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ganzfeld_effect), which is basically staring at a blank surface until you start to hallucinate a little. Your brain starts looking for any visual information it can get (because blank surfaces are extremely unnatural, it expects to see things), so you provide it with visual information in what you're picturing in your mind.
Possession is giving up your sense of agency of a limb and allowing your tulpa to apply their sense of agency to your limb. This can be practiced with visualization exercises.
If you'd like more methods and discussion on these topics, they probably deserve their own thread or threads.
>How do me ... practice possession and imposition?>How do me I ... practice possession and imposition?>How do my tulpa and I practice possession and imposition? a82c67 No.3879
>>3876First part was meant to be a reply to
>>3862 *
17582f No.4095
How does one manage to do decent forcing if they either don't have time to force or a relatively noisy environment to force?
How do you do passive forcing decently enough?
How do you make room for active forcing or doing it effectively?
108d39 No.4105
>>40951)Some people act like you can't have short forcing sessions, that they have to be at least one hour long or something, but that's not true. My forcing sessions were 20-30 minutes long, and I was able to create a tulpa. I would say that if you manage to force for 15 minutes, is good enough. Of course, longer sessions usually means faster results, but that doesn't mean it's the only way. About the noise, have you tried using headphones? You could try forcing while listening to white noise or some ambient music. I love to listen Solar Fields when I meditate.
2)For passive forcing, you can't just focus your whole attention on your tulpa, since you are, most likely, doing something else. So just try to think about her, imagine her, or something, paying as much attention as you can. Usually I take a walk with her.
3)I don't really know what you are asking.
313c81 No.4128
>>4105Thanks man aeverything you said really helped me
a82c67 No.4130
>>4095>How do you do passive forcing decently enough?Devote as much attention as you can to your tulpa while you're doing other things. This would depend on what you're doing, so while you're commuting to work or school you could talk, if you're reading something, you could take turns reading it, and even when you're fairly busy, you could keep your tulpa's presence in mind.
>How do you make room for active forcing or doing it effectively?I've made it a habit to force before going to sleep and after waking up. I usually force other times of day as well, but I almost always force before and after sleeping.
8c3420 No.4133
How long does it take until my tulpa starts acting more ndependently and makes her presence more known?
a82c67 No.4139
>>4133That depends on you. Your expectations, how much you expect her to, how much you understand her to be capable of expressing her independence and making her presence known. Your focus, how often and how effective your forcing sessions are, and whether or not you're allowing her to be expressive by not focusing too intently on her. Your brain and past experiences, how well your brain is adapting to the new concept, how well you can imagine new and abstract ideas.
If you're a writer or a concept artist, and your brain is accustomed to always creating new characters and back-stories and scenarios, the process might be pretty quick for you. If you're approaching this with the expectation that everyone on this board is lying and none of it makes any sense, you might get no results at all.
There's no simple straightforward answer to that question.
8ac1b3 No.4168
How exactly does one force correctly?
It seems more like trying to come up with a character for a story than creating a new entity.
How would I know if I'm making any progress?
a82c67 No.4181
>>4168Check this flow chart >>3771
>>It seems more like trying to come up with a character for a story than creating a new entity.This is the pre-production, the part on the left directly above the big green box in that flow chart.
>>How exactly does one force correctly?Forcing would basically be everything after the green box.
2579dc No.4208
>>4168The coming up with a character is the design aspect, I highly doubt many writers spend hours in their imaginations drilling traits and ideas into a growing new awareness.
Progress can be hard to track but usually you'll get feedback of some kind from your tulpa, that's what most people keep track of. other little things like a headache post-forcing and such tend to indicate some progress too.
Forcing "correctly" is not something everyone is going to agree on, active forcing usually consists of focused meditation, where you specifically concentrate on your tulpa rather than just generally relaxing. Passive forcing tends to be just conversing with them without the added concentration.
04b092 No.4210
Is it possible to change an MPD alter into a tulpa, and if so, how?
716e1d No.4211
>>4210I guess I should specify my reason for asking is that tulpaforcing somehow brought back my alters that I didn't particularly destroy or recombine, and both of us would rather she be separate. Also, I used to have a problem with her taking control or shifting without permission. The problem with that is she did that partitioning thing to me, and actually separated many of her memories from my collective memory, and I've had general memory problems ever since.
9755be No.4227
If I created a servitor can I still give it the personality to become a Tulpa or did I fuck up and have to make someone else from scratch?
f8c268 No.4231
>>4227Servitors can be easily given sentience as a tulpa. Just begin to treat the servitor as a tulpa and allow it to show signs of sentience, then force normally. It should grow into a tulpa at the normal rate.
>>4210I don't have much experience with this, but have you tried practicing parallel processing? It may help push your alter further away from you and separate you a bit more.
4eb273 No.4241
>>4231I've heard about parallel processing, but I'm not sure exactly what that is. If that means that we can both think at the same time, that's been achieved (though she's weakened from a long time of being forced inactive, so she's asleep most of the time)
4ffe54 No.4310
How long should a typical active forcing session last?
I've only done a couple sessions and they were usually about 40 minutes long.
Also, should I spend the entire time narrating personality traits, or would a few repetitions suffice?
cd2222 No.4337
>>4310see
>>4105And about the narration of traits, you don't need to do it all the time, do it until you have a good idea of how you expect her personality to be.
f8c268 No.4367
>>4241If you google "parallel processing tulpa.info" there's a high chance it'll bring up some of the articles about it on tulpa info.
I know a lot of us dislike that site, but since I've never wanted to achieve separation with my tulpas, it's all the advice I can give.
f8c268 No.4371
What happened to the IRC?
Also, how do I connect?
1ef505 No.4394
>>4371the channel info is in the board general information.
It was moved off the sticky because there was bigger and more recent news.
35c5cd No.4464
What are some good ways of practicing audible imposition?
ace318 No.4470
e51ed2 No.4475
>>4470How does that help, exactly?
a82c67 No.4492
>>4475You listen to white noise
until you go insane and start hearing your tulpa talk. That is actually how it works, the same way as Ganzfeld Effect (
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ganzfeld_effect) is your eyes not receiving information until you being to hallucinate, listening to white noise with good noise-canceling headphones will cause you to basically be listening to a blank sound until you start to have auditory hallucinations. Your tulpa can basically pirate the hallucinatory sounds and talk to you.
This is probably a topic worthy of its own thread. ccc3ba No.4544
Even after all this time having a tulpa, I just can't into imposition. Any good guides to recommend?
9b859b No.4548
>>4492How long does it usually take for it to happen?
9b859b No.4551
I looked up various guides and all it served to do was overload me with information.
I have a good idea of what my tulpa looks like and her general personality (a small collection of fixed traits, but able to form new ones), and all I want now is to be able to hear her more clearly during my day to day activities in order to have more conversations with her.
What should I do?
ccc3ba No.4556
>>4551It comes naturally with forcing, especially active forcing.
Always interact with her and, if she can, ask her to read something for you.
My tulpa loves to sing so sometimes, when I was listening to music, she would sing to me.
9e34db No.4562
>>4548Depends on your brain. Anywhere from 10 minutes to around 45 should work.
96419e No.4610
Is there any comprehensive guide to wtf is going on?
I can create those wonderland things from childhood and I could lucid dream until adulthood, yet I wonder whats possible?
42ca2a No.4628
>>4610Having basic mindscaping down is a great start, but you must go a level beyond that.
Imagine you're standing on a meadow. Lay down on your belly and feel the grass against your skin. See how green it is. Hear it bristling in the wind. Smell the grass with its real, earthly smell. When you're done with that, look at an ant walking between the blades of grass right in front of your face. Imagine every single one of its legs moving separately, both its antennas twitching on their own with no effort on your part. Focus on the ant without losing anything you've imagined before it. Then it will all become real to you.
It is possible with practice.
Basically, practice imagining things more and more vividly until it becomes a habit. That's all there really is to it.
16a45c No.4637
So… I'm just gonna copy-paste this all in here because I don't want to type it up again. I got a negative about it just being schizophrenia, so I thought maybe I've got a tulpa. It seems to fit on most points, except one big one: I DID NOT create this guy; he just showed the fuck up in my head one day and that was that.
Anyway, yeah… maybe you guys have some insights.
I've always wondered whether the voices in my head are a result of mild Schizophrenia, or something more banal like what normal people have. I suppose the actual point is that I'm not actually bothered by this (well, not anymore) which is pretty much the only universally meaningful definition of a mental disorder.
Anyway, because I could never afford a real psychiatrist (and I'm also a total narcissist who loves talking about himself) I submit myself to Psychoanalysis via Imageboard. Fun!
So, this all started shortly after I turned 11, pretty much right when I hit puberty (like the world's lamest X-Men power). I'd always been antisocial and introverted, but I never had any imaginary friends or talked to the walls or anything. My world was (and remains) filled with myself, only myself, and a series of objects of varied complexity and animatedness, like ranging from plush toys to pets to humans. Well, one day I was just minding my own business when a voice popped into my head. He claimed to be the voice of God, and I believed him because well… who else would be speaking into my head? He was a reasonably nice guy, although pretty strict about things, so he was mostly just like an internal parent, or perhaps my own personal Jiminy Cricket. Thing was, I was completely convinced that he actually WAS God, because he often told me about things that would happen before they did. He often told me about things that I had no way of knowing about, that I only later discovered. He was obviously omniscient. He told me how to do things like controlling the wind (close fence gates and move flags around and the like), how to feel electrical currents, and how to quiet crying babies with a mere gesture, and these things actually worked. He told me about other people, and how to talk to them and understand them, which was a big help because I was autistic as all hell a good decade before it became a frequent diagnosis. He was firm but kind, and he helped me through a lot of shit in that most difficult stage of my life.
Well, one day, in my early teens, another voice came along. He was a total jerk, and stereotypically told me to do Really Bad Things. He, of course, was The Devil. And as with God, I believed he was the real one, despite not being particularly religious. The two of them argued, of course, with me caught in the middle. The Devil promised me great power, power far beyond just party tricks with babies and the wind. I was tempted, because I was alone and felt useless. But my alliance with God made me strong, much stronger than I ever was in mere body and spirit. Eventually, sparing you the details, I fought him and beat The Devil as if he were a physical entity. He came back twice more, but I fought back yet again, and I killed him completely. The Devil's voice fell silent and never returned.
I'm close to 30, now, and the voice of God remains in my head. I've accepted the fact that he is not really God, and is in fact just a well-partitioned aspect of my personality, best represented by the Freudian Superego, while the Devil was the Id. He seems satisfied with this arrangement. He's not just an internal dialogue, though. He thinks for himself, and often comes up with ideas and solutions that I do not. He's more perceptive than I am, and notices things I missed; he brings up things I've forgotten. While I am paranoid, he is reasonable. Where I am careless, he is precise. When I am confused, he can give me advice. When I am lazy, he kicks me in the ass. When I am crying, he comforts me. When the shit hits the fan and my heart starts to pound, he gives me calm instructions like a commander. He's still totally stuck up and ethical, though, which sometimes I think is the only thing keeping me on the straight and narrow. I've reasoned that what I had once thought of as his being able to see the future was probably just his perceiving things in a way I could not, noticing patterns I could not, or possibly just coincidence. Even a broken clock is right twice per day, as it's said.
I can't explain the wind and baby powers, though. They're gone, of course, but I swear that I can still feel electric currents. Most of my strength has gone back into myself, though, so maybe that is part of it. Either way, I'm rather stuck with "God", now. We have become reliant on one another, and it would probably be the death of me were something to quiet him. So, schizophrenia or not, I don't need help; I just would like to know what's going on in my head.
a82c67 No.4639
>>4637"Just schizophrenia" seems like an odd juxtaposition of words, schizophrenia is often an extremely debilitating condition.They both sound like tulpas, but the way in which they were intrusive and altered your perceptions without your consent, I think you should consider talking to a psychiatric professional.
93948b No.4647
how much groundwork should i have before starting tulpaforcing?
2a6bc2 No.4649
>>4647A basic form, a basic personality (if you want one) and you have to be absolutely sure you're going to go through with this.
Apart from that, I don't believe much is needed.
Just be sure this is something you want, and will stick with.
2a6bc2 No.4653
>>4637You should definitely see a professional about this. It sounds like schizophrenia to me.
If they just turn out to be tulpas, then nothing lost. If it is schizophrenia, you should see someone.
221505 No.4670
Hey guys, wondering if I'm doing this right. I'm reading guides but either none really mention it, or I'm forgetful. How "in-depth" do you go with forcing a tulpa? Like, I'd assume everyone starts by imagining and concentrating on the outside and how the tulpa's form appears. But like, then I started thinking of the texture of hair, skin, and then flesh, blood, bone, etc. I have a feeling I'll need to start reading up on some anatomy to get a better idea of going with that.
Is thinking deeper into the form consequential/risky? Is it necessary or helpful?
1cd9f4 No.4671
>>4670I don't think there's any reason to be risky, but I don't see any reason why you should do that. Thinking about the texture of her hair and skin, makes sense, since you will be touching her, and it's something that she should also feel. But the rest, I don't see any reason to do that.
221505 No.4674
>>4671Just thought that I might have to, in order to make it more "real" and less like a human-looking balloon.
Guess that answers it then, thanks.
a82c67 No.4682
>>4670>>4674It's entirely up to you. It can help, especially if that's how you already view people (with an automatic recognition of where their internal organs are), but it's totally not necessary. Some people go their whole lives interacting with others without realizing there are two long bones in the lower leg, or where many the major organs are, it doesn't stop them from visualizing other people.
fe22c3 No.4721
>>4674>>4682I've thought of this somewhat, I don't think it's too important unless you are expecting them to be ripping open their chests at random intervals
it has happened, believe me Personally, my idea of form conflicts with how many others think.
I believe the tulpas and your brain will fill in the gaps for you with the form. A lot of people urge you to know every single angle, every faucet of your tulpa's form, but mine just seems to change whenever. It's slightly unstable as a result. e5739e No.4724
How exactly does one get a tulpa to talk more and clearer?
I want to be able to hear a voice as if they are standing right next to me and not just an echo in my mind.
215f15 No.4747
Hi, guys.
I just recently discovered /tulpa/ as well as the underlying concept, but I've had experiences with this sort of stuff in the past, sort of like
>>4637 but not quite as… for lack of a better word, explicit?
As a child, I have made both memory palaces and servitors "by accident," in that I didn't really know the complexities behind the concept, but in a fit of escapism I sort of developed things to help me cope with parts of my childhood through the idea of the placebo effect: If I believed hard enough that something was real, then I could effectively make it real.
Given the above, is it possible that I accidentally created a tulpa, and if so, would they still be around even if I didn't consciously acknowledge them? I do sometimes hear things, and most commonly I'll have a thought cross my head that I'm not certain I actually thought that. I can only think of one time that such an instance was actually intrusive to my daily life, in that I had a panic attack following the incident and for some reason I really, honestly believed it was God even though before and even after I've not been religious or even spiritual.
Or should I like.. seek consultation from a professional?
Sorry to kind of drop this on you guys but I've been a little concerned recently and don't think any of my friends would understand any of this tulpa business.
Thanks.
a82c67 No.4749
>>4747>is it possible that I accidentally created a tulpa,Yes.
>and if so, would they still be around even if I didn't consciously acknowledge them?Yes, to some extent. You can 'bring them back,' which would also essentially be creating them over again.
>Or should I seek consultation from a professional?If you have experienced things you have only perceived as your own imagination, it's probably not a big deal. If you have intrusive thoughts causing panic attacks, I think you should see a professional.
62f3a5 No.4751
>>4724you're looking for imposition
d25aea No.4759
>>4751How do I do imposition?
62f3a5 No.4763
>>4759I'm lazy, so I'll just link some other threads and posts.
>>3876>>3616This one might get bumped in a bit >>4713
>>2411 1332d9 No.4915
Hello, /tulpa/!
I've just began this journey yesterday and can't wait to see what my tulpa will do. I do have one strange question for hosts and tulpas alike.
What happens to a tulpa after a host has passed away?
16e96e No.4917
>>4915hoo boy.
Are you a spiritualist, anon? I can briefly touch on a few theories.
Spiritually speaking, the tulpa can have a separate soul to the host, and will follow the rules of whichever afterlife one believes in, whether it be reincarnation or an afterlife like paradise.
Some people theorise that it is possible to reincarnate as a tulpa. I can't speak for this personally, but I definitely don't deny the possibility.
Followers of a faith structured in a way like Christianity or Catholicism often believe that the tulpa will go to paradise with them. Whether they remain in the host's head or not is disputed.
Atheists usually believe one of two things.
Firstly, should the physical body die, then so shall the tulpa. The tulpa resides within the body and will meet the same fate as the host.
Secondly, and this follows through to most religious and spiritual beliefs as well, if the personality and/or conciousness of the host "dies", then the tulpa shall take over. This is similar to merging personalities or killing off personalities as seen in DID patients.
It has been thought - and still does - that the host may theoretically create a tulpa, switch with them permanently, and either become the tulpa themselves, or dissipate.
If you have any questions I'll try to answer them.
1332d9 No.4935
>>4917I'm nothing important m8, just interested in death/afterlife in general.
Now, that last thing about switching with your tulpa, THAT sounds really interesting. Any more on that?
16e96e No.4952
>>4935Yeah, there was someone I used to speak to over a chatroom a while ago who was originally a tulpa.
Essentially, the host had grown tired of living out her day to day life and no longer had the ability to go on. Instead of killing themselves, they created another personality, or a tulpa (the personality switched between terms whenever they spoke to me)
The host allowed them self to recede into the mind, like mental suicide. Their entire personality was effectively erased.
The personality didn't agree with her host's decisions, and largely resented her for what she had done.
It's not a good idea.
The personality was left in a body she wasn't born into, having to clean up the life of the host. The personality also posed as the host, pretending nothing had changed. They stopped going to their therapist after the switch.
I've seen this happen to people on more occasions than just the above, so I can confirm it's legit.
c38a2d No.4958
>>4952Holy shit that's fucking 2spoopy. Hope post-personality-switch person is doing alright.
53b63c No.4964
>>4952>I've seen this happen to people on more occasions than just the above, so I can confirm it's legit.
>I've met several people who said that they had spoken with God, so I can confirm it's legit.
>I've talked to multiple people who claimed that smoking didn't affect their health, so I can confirm it's legit.
>There have been thousands of claims of alien abduction, and by simply talking to self-proclaimed abductees, without ever being in a remotely similar situation as them, I can confirm that they are legit. 16e96e No.4965
>>4964Allow me to rephrase,
from my personal judgement and prolonged observation of the people in question, I find it to be very likely to be true.
d6be76 No.5190
>>3530>The original intention of the process was to help the practitioner free themselves of attachments, becoming attached to the tulpa seems very silly from that perspectiveI wouldn't say that was silly. It sounds like it could operate kind of like conversion therapy - switch your sense of attachment from external factors to internal ones, and from there you can decide whether to accept that as a condition or work further on breaking that attachment.
c7d06f No.5196
How do you get your tulpa to have a greater presence in your mind?
What are some signs of success?
How do you active force correctly so that you can see, hear, maybe even feel your tulpa?
4041dd No.5215
Came back from a thread on /v/ and was wondering
Isn't this just creating self-induced schizophrenia?
cff955 No.5216
>>5215No.
You can't self induce schizophrenia and trust me, the two are nowhere near similar, a couple of accounts have suggested it might even help with actual schizophrenia sufferers.
>>5196Greater presence, try thinking concurrently, solving problems, playing games, just discussing with each other and proxying as regularly as possible.
Signs of success, obviously alien responses, early headaches always seem good to me, just any sign that your tulpa is acting independently really.
You mean imposition? That takes a lot of work, best to leave it till after you have a clear picture of them built up in your mind.
fbc7a5 No.5453
Hey, just wrote a huge textwall but then decided I didn't want to post it.
Basically, how do you feel about creating a tulpa, despite it not being able to consent to being created? Someone here posted that a friend of his had a child tulpa because he didn't feel it was ethical to bring a child into this world. I want my tulpa to be happy, is all.
42ca2a No.5462
>>5453Look up "antinatalism", that should cover it.
Basically, I decided early on that if my tulpa decided that he did not approve with his creation, I would dissipate him without questioning for his benefit. Luckily, he seems fine with himself.
071613 No.6633
>>2310I like that you are taking the science and neurology view on this, really helps show we aren't crazy (I think)
7e13ec No.6682
Didn't feel like making a new thread for this. Do you guys see any problems with making changes to your tulpa's form, before you're able to ask them?
53b63c No.6688
>>6682If you've already made a form for your tulpa to use, I don't see why you shouldn't modify it further in the beginning stages.
After all, your tulpa shouldn't be obligated to stick to any changes you've made or use the form at all.
114992 No.6705
Hello, I'm a huge faggot looking for help.
I have been forcing for 2 years now without any real progress (no vocality, no real independence, whatsoever), except for maintaining quite strong emotional connection between me and my tulpa, which includes emotional responses. And those emotional responses are hurtful! It feels like a mix of worrying, fear and so on. Those feelings occur randomly throughout the day (mainly when I think about my tulpa). For example: I may start narrating to my tulpa and get a happy emotional response and then, all of a sudden, get this nasty feeling. I can't understand why doest it happen. I tried talking to her, doing everything I could to please her but nothing helps. I'm pretty sure it's not her fault, but it still hurts. Damn,I am totally fed up with this. I had to admit that my tulpaforcing experience was a failure and tried to dissipate my tulpa after explaining why the heck would I do that - she didn't seem to resist against that decision. But dissipating was a failure as well. Though right after dissipating her I started to feel her emotional presence way less stronger, in a couple of hours nasty feeling came back.
Please, I need help. I just want to finish this shit and to begin forcing a new tulpa without the feeling of a hole in my chest.
16ec67 No.6710
>>6705Could you explain some of the details of your forcing methods and durations? Like is it only narration, or do you do other things as well, and generally for how long and how often? Some of the guides on tulpa.info are half decent; have you consulted many of them?
You seem to believe that she doesn't have any independence, but the fact that she can give you emotional responses of her own indicates that she does have [a degree of] autonomy. Her means of expressing it may at this point be limited, but with practice these ways can be expanded. I myself had some difficulty in the beginning stages with my tulpa when she seemed to be having a bit of an existential crisis, though she didn't yet have a way to vocalize this to me. In lieu of speech, she had to use some symbolic imagery (in the wonderland) in order to get her point across, so you may want to suggest this kind of approach to your tulpa. As far as other early communication methods go, you could try head pressure for simple yes/no or multiple choice questions, like pressure on the left for "no" and on the right for "yes", or at select points as needed for multiple choices. As for eliciting this effect, try to imagine the sensation of pressure or expansiveness in a given portion of your head. You might not want to rely on this too much however, I ended up getting some minor headaches for a short while after a particularly long questioning session, though it does not seem to've had any long-lasting effects.
How has your attitude toward your work with your tulpa been throughout this period? Have you often felt like you were failing her somehow, or not meeting your own/her expectations? If this idea of failure permeates your thoughts, then it will begin to reflect upon your work with your tulpa, which may be the reason for her fear and worry. Whatever you do Anon, don't give up! Try to adopt this kind of mindset instead: there is no such thing as failure, only results. If you are not satisfied with the results you [both] have, keep trying until you get your desired results. Always try to maintain a positive attitude. I doubt that she would want you to simply throw in the towel, and I don't think that's what you really want to do either.
Currently your plan is to scrap everything and start over, but so long as you remember what has happened I'm not sure if that "hole in your chest" will ever fix itself. My suggestion is that you try to patch things up with your tulpa. Explain that you've made some mistakes and want to make them up to her. Let her know that she has your complete confidence, devotion, love, or whatever else comes to mind. It may not be easy, but mending your situation will be best in the long term for both you and her. Suppose that you didn't do this and hit the proverbial reset button; what would your new tulpa think knowing that you went through with this choice? Your situation might only repeat itself then.
aa163d No.6839
>>6705Pretty similar story for me. I've had a few short word exchanges, never tried dissipation. My first tulpa just turned 3.
b1be5c No.6889
So I discovered the whole tulpa thing a few days ago and I've been very interested in it and I'm thinking of creating one myself, I have the time and am willing to put in the effort but I'm still curious about a lot of things, I hope I'm not going to bother anyone by asking so many questions at one…
Are the host and the tulpa able to talk at any time or can the tulpa only be accessed during meditation/at specific request/while focusing specifically on the tulpa
If so, will the tulpa speak/communicate in some form when ever they want, or only when the host wants to talk
Is it possible for a tulpa to become "self aware" and rebel against the host
Is it possible for a tulpa to become suicidal/depressed and want to be dissipated
Is it possible for a tulpa to dissipate themselves against the hosts will
Is it possible for a tulpa to run away/become unreachable
Does a tulpa get lonely or bored during the normal passage of time, or do they only experience time passing while interacting
Is it likely that a tulpa will request the creation of more tulpas
Is it possible for a tulpa to create another tulpa within the host without the hosts consent
Is it possible to create a tulpa with the intent of being a friend, but upon creation the tulpa doesn't like/hates their host
Is it possible for a tulpa to begin to hate their host if mistreated or ignored
Is it possible to come to terms with a mutual dissipation, or in such a case would a tulpa "fear" for their life
I've probably got more questions but this is all I have for now…
184f5b No.6894
>>6889
>Are the host and the tulpa able to talk at any timeYes, pretty much. Meditating will only be vital during the creation process and eventually you'll be able to talk with no effort, or minor effort if you want to talk while "passive forcing".
>If so, will the tulpa speak/communicate in some form when ever they wantThey can whenever, much like two people sitting next to each other. But If you don't want to talk yourself, there is little need for the tulpa to start talking in first place, right?
…just a slight remark in there. You'll have more trouble getting your tulpa to talk a lot than not talking, if that's what you were wondering.
>Is it possible for a tulpa to become "self aware" and rebel against the hostYes
>Is it possible for a tulpa to become suicidal/depressed and want to be dissipatedYes.
>Is it possible for a tulpa to dissipate themselves against the hosts willTheorically Yes (But I personally don't believe it)
>Is it possible for a tulpa to run away/become unreachableYes
"Possible" is a delicate word, and i'll have to sa yes to all of these. But, those aren't common events.
For example, for the first possibility to happen, honestly, you must've been thinking for a log time how badly the tulpa would develop, fearing constantly and fuck your own brain pretty hard to make it come true.
I've seen the second one happen quite a few times, usually through causes that are either "the tulpa's life seem pointless" or some relationship issue.
The third one is up for debate. Not like it has happened enough times to test it out anyway.
About "running away", it's also up for debate. Depends on how the host's brain works, really. Either she's always there, or she can hide in some spot and well too bad for ya.
>Does a tulpa get lonely or bored during the normal passage of time, or do they only experience time passing while interactingAlso depends on how the host's brain works. Most seem to either not experience time passing or are busy themselves doing things in the wonderland.
I like the theory that they usually won't be bothered if the brain isn't bored itself. Some chemstry thing, maybe?
>Is it likely that a tulpa will request the creation of more tulpasNo, not really. Unless you're inclined to have lots, which i've seen happening a few times. So it probably wouldn't be "just one".
>Is it possible for a tulpa to create another tulpa within the host without the hosts consentProbably. I personally doubt it. And I doubt it pretty hard.
…Maybe if the host porposefully doesn't pay attention to the tulpa's creation or the place it's happening…
>Is it possible to create a tulpa with the intent of being a friend, but upon creation the tulpa doesn't like/hates their host>Is it possible for a tulpa to begin to hate their host if mistreated or ignoredYes. But >possible issue. I wouldn't dare to judge that one, for I don't have enough information on it.
>Is it possible to come to terms with a mutual dissipation, or in such a case would a tulpa "fear" for their lifeYes. Most dissipations, albeit rather dramatic, are usually mutual.
But then again, that's also up for debate.
30f011 No.6902
Oh wow, thank you that's really helpful!
The reason I was asking those questions about talking is because I was curious if I'd have to initiate all conversations, because I'd like it if the tulpa had as much input into starting new conversations as I would.
I have one more question that came to me last night,
I have this constant thought in the back of my head when ever I think about stuff like this that "it wont work" and that nothing will happen,
and I'm worried that when I actually start trying to do this, even though I want to believe and I do, this stupid nagging thought will prohibit progression.
So my question is
Would this constant, yet unwanted thought stop me from creating a wonderland/tulpa even though I do "believe"?
390b45 No.6908
>>6902I'm not sure whether the "conversation capacity" is different. One of mine clearly is more talkative than me, but there's a great limitation factor on all of the tulpas around: for sharing a brain, we literally share all kinds of information.
There is no "hey did you hear about x person" or "did you know you could y" or even "today my day was…" when everything is already know and shared. Because of that, I can't really aswer that wonder you've got.
>Would this constant, yet unwanted thought stop me from creating a wonderland/tulpa even though I do "believe"?Depends on what kind of though this is.
If it's some kind of spooky limitator that goes beyond my understanding, it should limit not only that but other achievements of yours as well simply because you gave up before even trying.
If it's some kind of intrusive though, sounds and images that keep popping up in your head during forcing even though you're all "pls no go away", well, i'd have to say these are sorta common, actually. If it's that, even with it around, i'd imagine making a tulpa would be harder, but not really impossible.
The way to get rid of those intrusives is through meditation. Calm down, focus on other things, breath in and out, and when it comes to bother the shit out of you, COMPLETELY DISREGARD IT'S EXISTENCE. You still acknowledge it if you're complaining, and that activates memories which make them stick around. It should persist from a bit, but it's really faar far away from impossible.
b1be5c No.6919
>>6908Thank you for all the help you've given me
That makes so much sense, i'll try the meditation thingy!
9941b6 No.6941
So I stopped doing this whole tulpa thing for a couple months, but lately I've been thinking about trying it again.
What happens when you more or less ignore your tulpa for a few months only to return?
How do I get a more active mind voice going or how do I get other thoughts to start appearing?
0b9092 No.6942
>>6941Depends on how well developped the tulpa was by the point you stopped. If you had already did personality or it was already talking, I'd be willing to bet it's still there in some corner of your brain in a hibernation state.
If you want to go back, try finding your tulpa again and go from there. If i get what you meant by "active mind voice" right, well, forcing is the deal here. You won't really go anywhere if you don't force, specially considering you've been out for a while.
I have no idea what do you mean by other thoughts to start appearing.
9941b6 No.6951
>>6942Well, I did have a personality down and I have assisted her in developing some kind of voice. So I guess I just need to force more.
As for the other thoughts, I want to know if I might have thoughts out of the blue appearing that I know my tulpa is responsible for.
0b9092 No.6952
>>6951Yes, you have lots of forcing to do.
Well, yeah, maybe. It's hard to explain since a though can mean this many things, but you'll know when it happens, i guess.
9941b6 No.6954
How do I do effective active forcing?
Is there any way if speeding things up?
cc7baf No.6976
I'm about to start forcing my tulpa and i figured i'd start with Personality first, I have a list of 35 traits, likes and dislikes. I'm curious though, For how long should i force personality, should i just do it until i get a response, or should i do it for a certain amount of time before moving on to narration?
661bcf No.6978
>>6954I believe what you're looking for here is emphasys on the effectiveness, so let's go that way.
More impoportantly than forcing for a good amount of time comes frequency. It matters shit if you're starting up, force for 2-3 hours just to not do anything for the rest of the week. Daily schedules should be quite enough for such occasion.
A couple of years ago, it used to be common knowledge (mostly due to FAQ_man's guides) that a tulpa wouldn't be achieved in under a month, a couple of them maybe?
Now, though i'm unsure how the community feels about how quick tulpae come, I believe 2 weeks wouldn't really impress many. Take that as a "way of speeding up", if you so desire.
Yes, i'm saying that you may speed up a tulpa creation if you so believe it would happen sooner. Just be careful not to fall in parroting, though.
Keep in mind, though, that haste is not a company you may desire. This is a durable process, even with the 2 weeks range, and in case it takes longer, since it depends on the individual forcing, being in haste can end in frustrating results on your side, including delaying the sentience of the tulpa.
>>6976Until you feel satisfied, really.
The trait list isn't even a must, but it's a quite good and effective startup force method. Once you feel the traits you've had were good enough, do move on.
On my end, I had a 30 trait list, of which half I put before sentience and after sentience. But I did work with form and narrate in between.
9941b6 No.6981
>>6978How bad is parroting exactly? Isn't it useful to help start up a voice? What would happen if a bit of parroting is involved in conversations? Is echoing the first thought that comes from questioning or contacting your tulpa parroting?
Also for the personality listing, could I just have 15 or so traits and let the tulpa fill out the rest as she develops over time?
04db08 No.6983
>>6978So do i just tell them to her and kinda narrate them to her once and then move on, or do it until i feel that i've made it clear enough to her?
634eab No.6986
634eab No.6987
>>6981Parroting used to be regarded as the ultimate tulpa fuckup, but the community has come to realise the role it plays.
One common theory is this: Your tulpa uses your thoughts to shape their own and learn how to speak by themselves. By parroting, you are teaching your tulpa to speak. By parroting too much, they develop a dependency on your parroting, or you begin to parrot them when you don't want to, leading to frustration between host and Tulpa.
Parroting during a conversation usually happens in the early stages, but as long as you aren't actively trying to speak for them, they'll become independent in no time.
>Also for the personality listing, could I just have 15 or so traits and let the tulpa fill out the rest as she develops over time?Sure. That could work just fine. I never worked on personality, I let it happen by itself, so I don't see how a gentle guiding hand could do much harm.
>>6983The second option, pretty much. This has to be driven into their personality, so just once isn't really enough.
03ba76 No.6992
>>6983In my opinion, this personality forcing exercise isn't necessarily about telling your tulpa about their traits and how they should behave, but more an exercise for yourself: By reaffirming these traits by listing them to your tulpa, you as a host will end up memorizing them deep down, and you will get a clearer idea of what these traits mean for your tulpa. This will in turn shape your expectations, how your tulpa will turn out.
So basically, do personality forcing until you feel that you're truly familiar with all the traits.
cc7baf No.6995
>>6992Oh wow, thank you
I didn't realize that, but it makes sense!
22905e No.7065
Guys I've been lurking a lot in this board for a month or so. I used to think tulpas were a NEET/neckbearded losers (thank to those fucking try-hards at Something Awful) thing but after much consideration (and dabbling in chaos magick) I thought it would be a pretty neat idea. I like to have my own little familiar sprite to keep me company (and yes maybe a lil "lovin" on the side).
But I'm having trouble tulpaforcing or imposing so maybe you guys could help;
-How long does it normally take to feel her and to actually see her with your physical eyes? because so far I'm just imagining her but I still see nothing, i.e. I'm not "hallucinating" her yet
-how about hearing her? cause it mostly feels like I'm talking to myself in my inner voice.
-did it freak you out when s/he/it first talked to you in his/her/it's own voice or when you first saw it for real?
-do I have to meditate or create a Wonderland (or a "Xanadu" as I like to call it)?
-do I have to imagine her as a real "live-action" person or can I just imagine her as a 2D cartoon/anime character? Cause I'm trying to do the latter but I still really wanna feel her physically like a real person.
-what about facial features? I've read that those are the hardest to make. In my case I'm trying make an anime/toon tulpa so what do you recommend?
pic related. I'm trying to make her a look like a mint-green-haired delicious brown tropical loli but as a fairy/pixie the size of a fashion doll.
6225df No.7069
>>7065>I used to think tulpas were a NEET/neckbearded losers thingWhich is 98% correct.
>How long does it normally take to feel her and to actually see her with your physical eyes?>how about hearing her?As far as experiencing your tulpa in the real world goes, which is imposition, that will take a lot of work. There's no concrete timeframe to name because it's different for every person, but it's an effort of daily meditation over an extended period of time.
>do I have to meditate or create a WonderlandYes, meditation, or forcing as it's called here, is paramount to achieving anything. Having a wonderland is optional. Have you read any guides yet?
>do I have to imagine her as a real "live-action" person or can I just imagine her as a 2D cartoon/anime character?Your tulpa can have any form, but I'd imagine it would be hard to imagine a 2D character in a 3D world. Imposition should still work (especially feeling her).
>what about facial features? I've read that those are the hardest to make. In my case I'm trying make an anime/toon tulpa so what do you recommend?You already got a picture so use that for reference a lot. Try to memorize it, and when you work on her face, start really slow and imagine just portions of her face. It will all come together as you work enough on it.
Have fun with your waifu, wizard.
22905e No.7123
>>7069>Yes, meditation, or forcing as it's called here, is paramount to achieving anything. Having a wonderland is optional. Have you read any guides yet?So far I've read them from the tulpa wiki and tulpa.info like these:
https://community.tulpa.info/thread-imposition-jd-s-guide-to-visual-imposition-image-heavyhttps://community.tulpa.info/thread-imposition-q2-s-method-for-a-huggable-tulpahttp://4chandata.org/x/So-since-I-see-HOW-DO-I-INTO-TULPA-threads-every-other-day-i039m-going-to-write-a-Guide-FAQ-Enjoy-aspiring-tulpamancers-Common-que-a549005Tulpa guide by GGMethos
I used to meditate a lot back when I was serving on my ship and when I was into martial arts but it was mostly for relaxation and for passing the time
I have a shamefully low attention span for an adult so forcing would be quite a chore for me
another pic of ideal tulpa.
22905e No.7124
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>>7069Have fun with your waifu, wizard.
I will, thanks ;)
cb5227 No.7132
Wait
What is imposition and what is parroting?
This shit flies over me
e35360 No.7134
>>7132Imposition is "imposing" your tulpa in the real world, and that means being able to see her, feel her touch, smell her, etc.
Parroting is basically when you make your tulpa do/say something deliberately.
cb5227 No.7135
>>7134Is parroting a good thing? From what I gathered, It seems to be regarded It as a last chance rehabilitation technique for independence impaired tulpas and not something in the standard growth process
e35360 No.7138
>>7135It's not good.
It's not exactly bad either. Many people say that it's something you should avoid.
c80cae No.7147
>>7123Not sure what exactly does Methos' guide cover up
since i don't recall anything about it anyways, but you, on my opinion, is clearly rushing what you want to imposition, which should be something you'd aim for after your tulpa is alive and kicking and also well visualized.
Imposition is about attention and high visualization skills: every detail of the tulpa as specific as it can get must be clear before you go on. Or at the very least i'd recommend doing so. Consider your own attention issues while adressing those requirements.
For now, why don't you read tulpa creation guides to better understand how things work?
1e835e No.7164
When you dream, does your tulpa dream too? Or does it share your dreams? Or does it not dream?
0e5f3b No.7172
>>7164I believe that falls in the same category as "tulpae that sleep". It would depend on the mindset of the host.
…but since you asked "when YOU dream", allow me to tell what I think: I believe that my tulpae do dream, but are sort of unable to attach the dreams to the brain's memories. You know when you have a dream and quickly forget all about it when you wake up, unless you focus on what happened in there so you remember later? Yeah, kinda like that for the tulpas as well. Except mine won't ever remember to remember the dream, if I may say that. There has been also cases where they've been on my own dreams, but behaved as weirdly as I usually do on dreams, only realizing it once I woke up, and therefore they did as well.
Interestingly enough, I did wake up one day and heard tulpa voices and shit, and when I tried to reach for her, she was in some sort of dream behaving like a dreaming person would. Trying to talk to her must've woken her up, since it has undone the dream after all.
0f12af No.7201
Anyone have tips for encouraging independence? I've been personality forcing for about a month and I get some hazy responses, not even a clear yes/no yet, but I still feel like for my tulpa to do anything I have to lightly parrot, or focus on her for an hour first. After a while of talking to her after that, the illusion goes away and it just feels like I'm pretending she's still there, if that makes any sense. Do I just keep doing that until I get better at "multitasking", or should I try and make her think independently - if so how?
Could also use some general improving sentience tips too. Thanks.
22905e No.7221
http://www.tulpa.info/archive/faqman-creation-guide/This guide says I have to dedicate at least 3 HOURS on a single aspect like smell, facial features etc.
Is this accurate? Because if that's so then my attention span is low as fuck so I'm going to need a lot help.
16ec67 No.7227
>>7221I wouldn't say that you need to do that much in a single sitting at the outset, but your hours will definitely begin to rack up over time as you work on the various aspects of your tulpa. The amount of time it takes for someone to make progress in any given area can be highly variable, so going by strict guidelines like that is generally not very helpful. The important thing is that you set aside some time every day and work diligently at it. Concentration is a skill like any other, and with practice it will be easier to do. If the attention span is a problem, maybe start out small, say 15 minutes at first, and work your way up from there.
5abfeb No.7303
>>7221"Hourcounting" refers to using a strict guide of time for certain aspects of tulpa creation, often with the expectation that they will be fully complete at the end of that time period.
It's a pretty outdated thought, just work on stuff for as long as you need to really drill it in.
>>7227Says it pretty well. The time tends to add up.
445fbf No.7309
Is there any way of making decent progress if I don't active force often?
fbda95 No.7367
Is there any way to know if I'm getting any progress done?
Any small hints that I'm heading in the right direction instead of being some psychotic loser?
5abfeb No.7375
>>7367Emotional responses, head pressures (fancy tulpa headaches) and vocality are the first signs of progress.
Anything that feels alien or foreign to you in terms of sudden rushes of emotions felt from your tulpa or any thoughts that pop out as possible tulpa thoughts are a good sign.
>>7309Apparently so, though it's highly debated. I'm still waiting for an answer myself, so far I've found it's best to force often.
a8bd99 No.7380
>>7375>head pressuresAre these sensibly different from regular old headaches or migraines? I'm awfully susceptible to both. Wouldn't want to down some ibuprofen just for a tulpa convo or mistake a headache for a heartfelt greeting…
5694ee No.7381
>>7380Yeah, it's completely different. It's pressure, not pain.
6225df No.7382
>>7381When I first started forcing, I had a splitting headache for a couple of days or so. I rarely get headaches that last more than a few moments. Do you think that was a sign from my tulpa?
fc6279 No.7390
>>7221>faqman>misread
>fagman creation guide>no thanks… fbda95 No.7397
Hey, so after essentially ignoring my tulpa for a month, I've been trying to get her back.
Granted I made little progress earlier, I still remember her personality traits and how she looked like.
However, I have plenty of doubt about my actions and don't know how to force or do any of this correctly.
How to I do things right and get my tulpa again without sucking?
I know there's active forcing, but how do I do it correctly or to get effective results?
5abfeb No.7401
>>7382Less of a sign from your tulpa and more of a side effect from forcing.
It means you're exerting yourself in a way you aren't used to. This is a good sign!
>>7380My tulpas give me regular headaches, actually. Probably because that's what we decided to use for communication before I became very adamant about vocality.
5abfeb No.7402
>>7397You're overthinking a lot of this, anon.
Doubt is by far one of the hardest things to overcome, I should know, I was plagued by it for months. It still sparks up now and again.
Taking the time to actively force, sending your energy and forming something that is, well to be honest, hard to describe with just words is all you need to do. If you were meditating, thinking of her, putting effort into trying to make her grow, as strange as it sounds, that is all you need.
Don't let doubt overtake you. You're doing fine! These things take time, a LOT of time for some of us. Have faith in you, have faith in her.
a8bd99 No.7412
Okay mates I'm finally headed back to the peace & quiet of my apartmnent tonight, let the forcing begins!
d51f16 No.7544
Went to check out the forums at tulpa.info but i'm not sure I'm feeling it… There's a few people already in the newcomer intro thread making big shows of their genders and pronouns and talking about headmates and I just feel like it's tumblr all over again.
c28051 No.7546
>>7544I never was part of that community but dear god no
also link pls d51f16 No.7550
>>7546Thankfully looks like I talked too fast, there's a couple on the last few pages but otherwise it just seems kinda generic
https://community.tulpa.info/thread-mass-intro-and-returns-thread?page=113Hopefully this just means I checked the forums out just when a couple of genderspecials did too and not that there's a wave of them incoming.
c28051 No.7554
>>7550>Hi everybody (bornhuman and otherwise)>bornhuman>I'm 16 almost 17 and non-binary>I'm almost fifteen, genderfluid (any pronouns are fine) and a therian.>I've been a dæmian for around 7 years nowI suppose there is irony in passing judgment. And yet, I was not prepared for this.
6d9000 No.7557
>>7550tulpa.info is fucking cancer.
d51f16 No.7558
Too many tumblrinas?
c28051 No.7560
>>7557>>7558Tulpafaggotry must be tempered by HATEchan
y/n?
f74e77 No.7580
c28051 No.7587
>>7580I'd rather not.
Lest they find their way here.I realized I forgot to finish that sentence, too:
"Tulpafaggotry must be tempered by HATEchan for it not to be cancerous, y/n"
c779a5 No.7594
How do you find time of get in the mood for forcing?
Is it possible for a self-hating, depressive wreck to be able to do this without fucking up too much or making something half-baked?
c28051 No.7597
>>7594I do it before sleep. Works better if I'm rested.
6b6ca2 No.7634
>>7594Loads of people in very poor states have done it, some have even improved their lives as a result. You should be fine.
6b6ca2 No.7638
Didn't feel like making a thread for something so small, but:
I was sitting at my desk just now, really tired, narrating in my head like always, and slowly, subtly, I felt a presence creep up on me. It was so natural, I didn't even notice until I was addressing it.
I was surprised when I finally twigged that it felt like there was another person in the room, so I turned around and no one was there. When I went to force, my thoughts were really loud/busy.
Is this something other people have experienced as well?
eed86d No.7655
>>7594This anion again. I had a tulpa somewhat done before, but haven't forced in a while.
Is it considered imposition if you more or less feel or kind of feel your tulpa's presence right next to you?
6b6ca2 No.7660
>>7655It's definitely part of imposition, so in a way?
5e1546 No.7881
How do I pick personality traits?
Sorry for asking such a stupid question, but I'm really struggling here, and every time I want to make progress today, I remember that I didn't finish outlining personality, and no progress is made.
7e13ec No.7895
>>7881If you don't know, don't bother. Pre-defining personality is optional, for people who have specific preferences.
5d6ec8 No.7899
>>7881Create a symbol for each trait while explaining how they act out in your tulpa, and throw the symbols symbolically at your tulpa so that they merge into her. This should create a whole that will have a somewhat coherent personality comprised of multiple traits. There are more complex and dedicated ways to do this, but I never bothered.
>>7895I found that my progress was accelerated after creating a personality. If you don't, it will take more time for it to be formed spontaneously, and you might end up with something you dislike.
5e1546 No.7910
>>7895>>7899So do I bother or not? I kinda have the idea of what I want, but it's too vague.
6b6ca2 No.7925
>>7910vague is fine, I was vague as fuck
5e1546 No.7929
26e1a0 No.7931
Why the hell are people talking about arms everywhere?
Are we being raided or something?
6d9000 No.7932
>>7931It's like one or two people armposting. They're trying to force a meme.
26e1a0 No.7933
>>7932They should be banned.
6d9000 No.7934
>>7933I agree, it's annoying.
b10aa9 No.7970
>>7934What's the matter? Can't stand the sight of a strong armed tulpa?
c28051 No.7980
Arms shitposters are of weak will
they will not withstand Russian winter
d23806 No.7995
>>7934It was funny for a little while, but the armposting needs to be dropped before it gets old.
Let this live on as a memory, not a nightmare we try to suppress.
ecb802 No.8039
How do I do force correctly? Both active and passive?
How do I knw if im having success and my tulpa is becoming sentient?
I think i might have parroted quite a bit. How to ai get my tulpa to actually communicate to me without me thinking that it's just me?
c28051 No.8041
>>8039The way I understand it, active is when you imagine hanging out with them in your "wonderland" or mental space. Passive is when you talk to them as you are going on about your day. Do it enough and it'll become a habit.
Based on how it went for me, you'll notice when s/he says something on his/her own. There was a moment of "huh, I didn't do anything this time."
As to whether that's still you, that's a good question. I think the phenomenon is some manner of autosuggestion, so in a way…*
a7ea80 No.8045
Holy shit tulpa general exists in some slightly respectable form again?
hot fucking damn
a7ea80 No.8046
tripfags with schizophrenia
a7ea80 No.8047
>>8046yo IDs suck I miss shitposting anonymously
9c7e0f No.8048
a7ea80 No.8050
>>8049well I mean it's better than MLPchan
fuck that shithole
a7ea80 No.8051
>>8048don't give me that, I just brought a little slice of home with me to MLPchan, that's all
and I pretended to be the professor once because I missed that guy and a whole generation of posters missed him
2f6ec1 No.8070
>>7899I tried that, and it was literally just me throwing things at my tulpa. That's a clever visualization, but I think I'm too literal of a person for it to work with us.
b0982d No.8176
How do you find the right time and place to force?
Is there any way to get some noticeable signs faster?
6d9000 No.8186
>>8176>How do you find the right time and place to force?After a long time, I came to realize there is never a perfect time for anything. If you want to force, then force. The only thing stopping you is you.
That being said, there are some uncontrollable factors such as the people around you that could cause distraction, to which I would suggest you go some place quiet or put a pair of headphones on with ambient sounds playing at top volume (rain is my favorite). As for time, it doesn't matter that much, whenever you want to force is the ideal time.
>Is there any way to get some noticeable signs faster?More interaction/practice/meditation. There's no "trick" to this, just work for it.
d52ce4 No.8253
Started tulpamancy last tuesday, been expending quite a few hours into tulpaforcing in passive mode (sometimes active in meditation, thing is I have quite some time per day for forcing while I do other shit), so far got the form, voice, and motion quite right. So I'll just keep forcing, my main question is: when does it start achieving mental/hallucinatory presence?
Does it happen gradually between days?
868f64 No.8254
>>8253Because there are so many factors influencing tulpa-creation, it varies a lot from person to person. I've started in October and I've only got one word from my tulpa.
d52ce4 No.8258
>>8254>started in October>on fucking October>that's like 5 monthsBetter zip my pants and wait
868f64 No.8266
>>8258Yeah, I read somewhere (on this board maybe?) that if brain demons were easy, then everyone would have one. I suppose it's not that long of a wait considering tulpas are supposed to be lifelong.
Good luck anon.
a7ea80 No.8269
>>8258In my experience, 5 months with only a single word is slower than average.
It only took me a month or two to get vocality.
d52ce4 No.8272
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>>8266thonks
>>8269Well I expect vocality to be total alien, only doing parroting for voice asimilations/forcing.
f2137b No.8279
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Alright, several questions.
1) Can't force for more than 10-15 minutes straight. How do I make sessions longer?
2) Is narration REALLY supposed to be just telling the tulpa what it is over and over? Or does it also include talking about random shit?
3) If talking about random shit is indeed included, am I meant to expect a response, pretend that tulpa has answered in some way, or just keep talking until shit happens?
4) Are visualization, smell, voice, etc. supposed to be exercised simultaneously or do I do it step-by-step until certain conditions are met? Isn't clear in the guides.
Thanks in advance.
5bc008 No.8293
>>8258It's taken some people years to get it down, anon
Me specifically. She was not pleased with me when she finally spokeWhy'd I have to make her so scary c46562 No.8298
Is there any way to active force without going all meditative?
Also, how do you passive force correctly or without making yourself look crazy?
How exactly do i have or know if im having a proper conversation with my tulpa? It's hard not to slip into doubt when you think you're just talking to yourself.
5d6ec8 No.8299
>>8298
>Is there any way to active force without going all meditative?No, or it will not be as effective.
>Also, how do you passive force correctly or without making yourself look crazy?By not being a dirty normie who has a life.
Also you can just narrate with your mindvoice while you are not in an interaction with another person.
>How exactly do i have or know if im having a proper conversation with my tulpa? It's hard not to slip into doubt when you think you're just talking to yourself.You should wait for a reply that feels alien. Meanwhile, just talk TO the tulpa while assuming that they are there and they are listening. This feeling is pretty important, so even though you don't get a response in the beginning you shouldn't slip into a feeling (accidentally or not) that you are talking to a brick wall.
bb80f1 No.8315
>>8279>2) Is narration REALLY supposed to be just telling the tulpa what it is over and over? Or does it also include talking about random shit?Narration is talking to them about anything. It's largely about training your mind to treat the tulpa as a separate entity.
>>8298>How exactly do i have or know if im having a proper conversation with my tulpa? It's hard not to slip into doubt when you think you're just talking to yourself.If you aren't 100% sure it was you, then assume it was the tulpa
at early stages, the separation isn't clear and it's very easy to find yourself doubting, but it's important to have faith in yourself and your tulpa.
30faf5 No.8316
Will my tulpa become racist if I quite often than not ponder about racism?
I'm not racist myself, but I sit around all day on imageboards that have racist content so I often can't help but to see and think about the racist content.
I just don't want my tulpa to turned out racist as fuck and I have to put up with his/her shit.
1cfdd4 No.8322
>>8316If anything you will have a tulpa that would cuddle up against you at night and whisper
gas the kikes, race war now f2137b No.8334
>>8315Alright, thanks. That's what I assumed, but NLD's guide defined narration as exactly that, telling tulpa its traits.
Someone pls respond to the rest
>>8279I also got another question. I had some head pressures almost day one, but now they seem to be gone. Does that mean that I got gud at the most basic visualisations, or that something went really wrong?
2dec57 No.8341
>>8334Can't force more…
What do you mean? Why can't you force more? lack of concentration? forcing pains? You need to elaborate a reasoning for us to give you advice on how to prolong your sessions.
3) Talking random shit to your mind demon
You are supposed to talk to it about stuff in your day. About what you like or dislike. You can also ask it what it likes and dislikes in a sort of rhetorical way. Don't expect an answer. Just talk to it like it's there. If you're far enough along, an answer will come.
4) The rest of the sense imposing is something you decide yourself. Hence the reason it's not clear in the guides.
As in. You can wait with all imposing. smell, touch, hearing. Until such a time as you've established proper dialog with your tulpa. I would suggest doing so.
However, you might have meant wonderland visualization and such… which you probably did. And I'm an idiot for not seeing that. Sorry, rambling.
Ahem. You can go about it as you like really.
It's not necessary for a fully functional tulpa. but, it makes it much easier for you to have something to "show yourself" as progress for your work.
What I did was build a simple wonderland,
A grassy field with a big tree.
And there I entertained my tulpa by talking and listening to music. Pretending myself to be in the wonderland with the tulpa. The tulpas form at this point was not created.
You can do what you want, to make it easier for yourself to progress.
6031f8 No.8346
I just got a batshit fucking insane idea. Could you create a servitor and switch with them? Basically, since they don't really have a mind, wouldn't your body pretty much go limp and any physical stimuli be lost on the mindless servitor? Where I'm going with this is pain relief. If you are experiencing tremendous pain couldn't you swap to avoid it? If you get pinned under something and you're basically just waiting to die couldn't you swap with the servitor and spend your final moments pain-free in your wonderland with your tulpa? Since the servitor doesn't have a mind, it wouldn't feel or at least comprehend the pain, right?
f2137b No.8350
>>8341Wow, that was a useful post.
Yes, i guess it's lack of concentration. I picture a tulpa from different views, but then get bored real quick. I had some forcing pains, but like I said, they aren't there anymore.
I suppose I gotta talk about my day, but the life of uni student is rather uneventful. Can I get around that? I usually just comment on surroundings or describe movies I watched, relying almost wholly on passive forcing (can't concentrate for long + roommate).
And yes, I didn't mean imposition. I'm not rushing things THAT much. But thanks.
2684a5 No.8352
A lot of guides I've looked through seem to have visualization either before or during 'sentience'. Is there any reason I shouldn't hold off on visualization until she can hold a full conversation with me? Figured it might be better if she had some input over how she looks.
a7ea80 No.8358
>>8352there's no real reason aside from preference
some methods just work better for people than others
29e953 No.8362
How do I overcome doubt before forcing?
Each time I think about trying, I get these feelings of doubt and "why bother if I won't get a response?"
Are there any good exercises to do to help get a response?
d23806 No.8364
>>8253>daysOh, anon, you're so funny. Try months.
d23806 No.8365
>>8362Look up "ping pong" method.
Doubt is hard to dodge. I tackle my doubt headon. Usually I do this by challenging myself to not be a piece of shit.
6031f8 No.8381
>>8365I reason it out as, "Oh, you're worrying that she doesn't exist? No fucking shit, Sherlock. You're deluding yourself, remember? Just shut up and go with it." Seems to be working so far. Fake it till you make it. Then it's no longer a dream, but reality.
9a9829 No.8420
>>8352I would suggest that it might be harder for you and your unconscious mind to deem your tulpa a person if they lack a form, but if you're more comfortable approaching it that way then it certainly could work, tulpas are always capable of modifying their form regardless so their input can always come later.
>>8362Doubt about whether you'll get a response.. hmm, well that's interesting, you'll get one eventually if you keep at it, that's the main exercise, think of it like investing yourself into a skill, you're looking a little far ahead and divorcing yourself from that with your doubt, you wouldn't expect to play freebird your first time on guitar, you can't expect to lose weight from just your first run, don't expect to cleanly form a new awareness without a little bit of investment, but know that it will happen if you invest yourself into it. Exercises exist, sure, the whole ping pong thing, I used to count up numbers with mine trying to get them to eventually take over or for us to count alternating and stuff, but honestly, just interact with them, interact with them as often as you can, every time you have free time just say hi, give them a quick hug, anything, it all adds up and the more you do it the quicker you'll get that first response.
>>8346Since no-one answered that one, yes, it's theoretically possible and a couple of the most experienced/experimental mancers have claimed to do it. There's no particular reason why one wouldn't be able to but it seems you'd need a decent level of mental control.
As for the pain thing, that's more about divorcing yourself from the senses, which isn't 100% a requirement of switching, you'd probably need a decent bit of practice to make yourself unaware of pain and pain of that magnitude might be near impossible to ignore.
be4546 No.8441
>Mental illnesses are caused by neurological conditions in the brain (damage, deformities, chemical imbalances, etc.)
For anyone reading this seriously, THIS IS NOT TRUE. Mental illness can develop from the social aspects of your life as well (mostly parenting). It is NOT purely about the physical brain.
bdf099 No.8442
7e13ec No.8444
>>8443
I literally can't see a single reason you shouldn't do it. You'll have to explain better what's holding you back.
4fec85 No.8446
>>8443
If that's what you guys want to do, I don't see why not. If anything it will only serve to enhance your relationship, since she can reciprocate your feelings rather than just being a character you idolize.
91151f No.8449
>>8443
I think you should. You seem to be fine with her deviating and developing into her own person, and you already are aware that making a tulpa just for sex/love is a no-no. These are signs of a good, supportive host.
However I have to tell you: a relationship with a tulpa can never be perfect. That's just how it is when interacting with another independent consciousness. Sometimes you will have disagreements. Sometimes you'll get really mad at each other and have a screaming match. She might change herself in a way that you don't like and you will have no choice but to accept it.
But Anon, this is a good thing. As you overcome the moments of disagreement and work through the issues that might arise, you will only make your relationship stronger. As she defines herself, she will become more confident and strong. She will talk to you more deeply, surprise you in ways you never thought of, love and cherish you for your support. And to see a person change into someone that knows firmly who they are is an amazingly beautiful thing.
It will sometimes be painful, but the results of pushing through that pain are so incredibly worth it. And as long as you are willing to keep trying, your love will never die. Go for it.
d23806 No.8451
>>8442no, this is a fact. mental illnesses can be developed later in life, and while they affect the physical brain's activity, they are developed later.
f74e77 No.8452
>>8451You just said it yourself – the brain's physical activity is the direct cause. Nobody ever said mental illnesses can't be developed later in life.
>>8442
>poor argumentative skills>can't differentiate between science & theory>obvious mommy/daddy issues>0/10 grammar>not contributing positively It is, indeed, tumblr.
455be7 No.8455
>>8443
I think it's inevitable. Go for it.
who's your waifu
f74e77 No.8457
>>8455Dubs confirm. Do it guy.
b8be75 No.8458
Aside from having to dedicate some daily time forcing and your tulpa possibly being a person that disagrees with you on literally everything, are there any downsides to making a tulpa?
30faf5 No.8472
When talking while forcing am I suppose to be convince myself i'm talking to a sentient being or do I just talk just to talk and hope someone responds?
I force a few times a day and I realize that when I talk to my tulpa, i'm not actually talking to it, I feel as if i'm JUST talking and i'm aware that i'm only doing it to create a tulpa.
7e13ec No.8492
>>8472Passive forcing has been elusive to me for a while, but I've started doing the former lately, and I feel it's working. I've been trying to avoid downright imagining her listening to me, since that's basically puppeting. Instead, I focus on her and talk with the assumption I'm talking to someone who's listening, so that I have to force myself to form my thoughts into an actual (albeit one-sided) conversation, instead of just vocalizing every random thought that pops into my head. And another finicky little thing I needed to do was assume that she doesn't experience and remember the same things as me, since that kills off way too many potential conversation topics. While I can't tell you if this is the "right way" to do it, I find that it makes passive forcing a lot more interesting and I've been doing it a lot more lately. I'm also interested to hear from someone with more experience in passive forcing.
>>8474>I follow the whole "You can never know someone fully, only a rough model of them, you'll naturally fill in the blanks unconsciously." idea waifufags subscribe to.Woah, that sounds like it could have been a direct quote from me. Back when /a/ had daily "waifufags vs normalfags" threads, I'd constantly make this argument to explain how it's really not that bizarre to be attached to a fictional character. Had no idea it was a common idea among waifufriends these days, since back then I had to explain it from scratch every thread.
5b7375 No.8500
>>8472You should absolutely be trying to talk to them, general chatter without direction doesn't tend to help much but directed thought does, do they have a form? Think of it while you talk. If not, just try to mold it into more of a conversation, pause every now and again, say their name, give them little chances to respond but move on if they don't.
e2f8f2 No.8506
Can tulpas solve logic problems, like programming or math? If i'm a mathematician, my tulpa will solve more complex problems, something like simple derivations or integrals?
4b61ef No.8508
Hey guys, I was forcing just a while ago. I told her "This is a guitar," and imagined three or four different guitars for her. I got a pretty strong head pressure response from that. I tried talking further about guitars, and also tried to talk about other things in the same format. Can't get that kind of response again, though.
Any help? I'm kind of lost.
abee90 No.8510
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>find this board while browsing the board list>remember when I first found tulpa.info>remember all the rad members>remember all the funposting, shoutbox/irc, and dank memes>remember .info slowly devolving into shit with underage, *actions*, emoticons, drama and various autism/faggotry>remember r/tulpas>remember various skype groups>remember I got my friend into tulpas at one point>remember that I gave upFuck, why'd I have to find this place? I can't believe I'm even considering trying again. Despite how batshit insane and cringe-worthy this can be/is, I still feel like I could get something out of it. I guess I just want to find out how deep this hole goes.
Also, why is the faq so bad? I spent some time reading through some threads, most of which were unnecessary because they were already answered somewhere else. Examples being, "how do I force?", "can my tulpa do x?", and the ever present "how can I make progress (faster)?" It'd be nice to have a communal rewrite or something for the next faq, or just draft a new one in another thread and make a new sticky or something. It would hopefully clear up some of this clutter. I'm surprised that some of the threads I've looked over weren't just deleted entirely.
>>8508Have you tried playing one? Aside from that, seems pretty normal to me. Just keep the conversation going and enjoy spending time with her. Vid related.
>>8506If you're able to do something, than the tulpa should be able to as well, mentally speaking.
>>8500Checked.
4b61ef No.8511
>>8510Thanks for the advice. I'm having trouble concentrating on talking to my tulpa while playing though.
Also, I don't think tulpa stuff is all that cringey. There's just a high volume of cringey people who just so happen to have tulpas.
6deebc No.8529
>>8506Mentally speaking, your tulpa can't outperform you because they're limited by the capabilities of your brain. They are, however, more than capable of offering a second opinion on things and even helping you solve practical problems.
e003da No.8530
What are some good ways to get in the mood for active forcing?
What are some methods for having them last longer or being more vivid?
455be7 No.8535
>>8530For me, sleeping a lot (or being rested in general) enhances the vividness. I think getting in the mood would be more personal. (That, and I sure as hell don't know what gets me ready.)
0f12af No.8715
Need some advice with active forcing. Whenever I do it I don't feel like I'm accomplishing anything, probably because I run out of ideas for things to do when your tulpa isn't sentient yet. Any examples?
63763f No.8734
eb5b80 No.8754
>>8715Seconding this. How do I into active forcing?
adf6f3 No.8768
>>8734A host wanting to commit suicide =/= a tulpa turning evil bro, but they're about as capable of turning evil as anyone I guess.
>>8715>>8754It's a bit of a tough one for people to answer for you, because the most important part of active forcing is just being there, with your tulpa, if at all possible treating them like they're already sentient by trying to converse with them. That's pretty much it really, but I'll give you some example from when I was starting out:
Showing them round the wonderland, giving them a guided tour, hold their and guide them through everything, go into minute detail if you need to spend more time at it.
Make up an extra part of the wonderland and take a trip, maybe a picnic out in a rolling grassy field, or a mountain climbing expedition, or just another home-away-from home, a cosy log cabin.
Talk about your day, your opinions, your whole life, just chatter and chatter and chatter, try to keep focus on them as you do, see if their form responds at all to the discussion.
Play dress-up, either with yourself or with them, change your form, change their form, change clothes, make a wardrobe and see if they pick something out.
Give them stuff, I had a tendency to give the girls jewellery when I was starting out to see if they could persistently adjust their forms.
Make something symbolic and important to you and then show it to them, let them in to your own self, help them understand you by sharing your inner world with them.
It's just important to keep a little focus and interaction with them, anything else is so much dressing, but I hope some of those ideas interest you a little, also don't forget to keep up with personality forcing, I found I often defaulted to that when I ran out of ideas and my tulpas wound up with a strong sense of self I feel.
0f12af No.8782
>>8768Simpler than I thought, I guess. Thanks, I'll try some of those.
eb5b80 No.8784
>>8768Wouldn't doing that with a non sentient tulpa be parroting?
a7ea80 No.8786
>>8784No, parroting is forcing the tulpa to say things that they aren't actually coming up with on their own
It's using the tulpa as a puppet for your own will instead of their own
adf6f3 No.8789
>>8784>>8786Yeah a lot of the talky things could be parroting if done with a tulpa who can't reply, I tended to handle that by just telling them what I'd assume they'd probably say if I needed a response, which doubles as personality forcing since it's telling them about themselves.
I tended to do something similar for puppeting, let the tulpa know what I'd expect her to do and then show her how to do it, sometimes by manipulating her using my hands or sometimes just mentally.
I know puppeting and parroting are advised against but I found if you're doing it to teach your tulpas how to interact and use their forms it works and gives you more to do, if you're really worried about it messing things up though feel free to avoid it.
95cfcb No.8797
>>8789If it's the only way I can force, should I do it?
adf6f3 No.8809
>>8797Yeah I guess so, although it's kinda weird for the only way for you to be able to force being directly manipulating your tulpa.
4b61ef No.8928
Anyone have tips on keeping a conversation with a tulpa? I have enough trouble starting one, so I don't like it when these opportunities go to waste.
I started thinking about it after my tulpa's second speech. I asked, "Is there anything you'd like", to which she replied, "No, thank you" in a voice alien to me.
I noticed that I've only had these two voices speak to me as I was falling asleep. However the realization that I am actually talking to my tulpa excites me, and forces me awake. I've never had a full "conversation", if that makes sense. Only one sentence responses on both occasions.
Any help? I feel I'm actually making some progress.
958c03 No.8931
>>8928It's the same as you would keep a conversation with any other person, ask them about things, how they feel, etc.
45103a No.8941
major eyeroll at the dudes who whine about how this is whack offsite, but then go on to behave as if Semite Sky Obama were watching over them and caring about what they do
2684a5 No.9117
I see people on info talking about "failed" tulpas. What exactly makes one failed?
eb5b80 No.9133
>>9117>2013 + x>trusting a gathering place for leddit, "wizards", tumblrfags and roleplayers d84647 No.9140
>>8941I still haven't deciphered this post, gives me a headache every time I read it.
>>9117I think that really comes down to the person, but more or less the host discovers or feels that ultimately their tulpa is not distinct enough from themselves, usually they lose hope and give up at this point. Occasionally it's something more crazy, like not liking the personality as it turns out and stuff.
>>8928Honestly I find it easy to just stream of consciousness at them, how good are you at rambling? I find it easiest when I want to narrate to just pick a topic and let my mind wander all over it,make room for responses but it's hard to guarantee them especially early on so just consider it time to interact without forcing them to do so back.
My usual example is to pick a point of personal philosophy or politics and just tell them all about it, tell them what makes you feel one way, tell them where sensible opposition to your point of view might lie, tell them about people with silly beliefs in respect to your own, tell them about what might have influenced your view or the history of it, maybe the views of your family and friends.
There's so much to ramble about, you could try your past, just talk about moments you remember clearly, it can double as visualisation practice, calling pieces of history back to you clearly enough for both you and your tulpa to watch and discuss. What would you change? How did you feel? Did it change you? How do you feel about it now?
Throughout all this you can't really force a response, there's plenty of room for a tulpa to comment if they think of something so make sure to say that they're absolutely welcome to give input and talk to you about these things then just go on talking, take little gaps, if you want, ask them what they think, but try to keep the pressure off, let them know it's okay if they don't respond?
04153a No.9143
>>8928 I'm at that point as well. Keep on keeping on.
2684a5 No.9144
Is it a good or bad idea to parrot quite a bit once she has sentience, but isn't quite vocal yet? Can do yes or no with head pressures, but that's about it.
958c03 No.9145
>>9144>Quite a bitYou have to find a balance, you can parrot some to help kick-start things, but you can't parrot too much, or you'll end up either stagnating your progress, or with a servitor.
2684a5 No.9146
>>9145How do I tell if I fuck up and make a servitor/
c0a138 No.9159
Is it a bad idea to create a tulpa when suicidal because of the guilt it would induce?
Do tulpa make relationships awkward? Essentially always having a third wheel involved and any sex would be a threesome almost.
4ac872 No.9160
>>9159nigger it's not like you have to include your tulpa in anything sexual you do
dcbb98 No.9180
>>9160Thats not what I meant. They are technically there still even if looking away.
4ac872 No.9191
>>9180No, they can go away if they want to.
27609c No.9206
>>9191Alright, thank you. Perhaps I should have worded myself better originally, I havent been clear headed lately. I was simplifying things by using sex as an example for close relations in general and the possible effects it may have to have another sentience being around when the other person thinks you're alone. I'm probably making little sense. My mind is a mess.
42ca2a No.9248
So, my tulpas decided to take a vacation.
The more developed one just up front and said that they'd like to take a few weeks off. I asked the less developed one if that's right and she said yeah, they planned together to go away for some time.
I said okay because no way I'm gonna play a tyrant and try to keep them from having their own choices to make. I have no clue WHERE exactly they're going, but they assured me I won't be able to reach them. So we arranged the date of return and off they went.
Has this ever happened to you guys? Do you think they're dissing me? I want to think not. I think I'm going to be lonely as hell, but I'll try to manage for them.
e31a25 No.9250
>>9248
I had a friend who's tulpa ran away and then showed up and than ran away again so I suppose it's possible. I wouldn't worry about it just stay strong and enjoy your alone time.
4ac872 No.9260
>>9248
That sounds pretty cool actually. I wonder if they're just 'shutting down' or actually going on a trip in the wonderland, but the latter sounds pretty chill. Could also be a good opportunity for you to go and do something that you might've not been able to because of the time spent on your tulpas.
958c03 No.9261
>>9248
Well, I know of a few tulpas that have left their host for some time. And in most of those cases, it was just some general soul searching.
deb393 No.9264
I haven't really done much forcing if any. The fact that I had very little responses that I can't attribute to imagination made me full of doubt.
I don't think I can delusion myself.
Should I just quit or try again?
3a7f22 No.9298
.Alternative words for tulpas:
Don't forget parasites.
81bee3 No.9303
>>9248
My girls used to travel to space when they wanted time away from me, so this isn't too out of the ordinary.
f59378 No.9425
>>9248
>>9250
>>9260
>>9261
>>9303
>being such a loser that even your mental creations can't stand you full-time
This is an amusing kind of pathetic.
64fe05 No.9433
>>9425
just make another one
3678fa No.9446
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>>8048
this fukin nerd right there
e14b06 No.9447
>>9446
Actually I feel that IDs do contribute nothing to threads.
They are now disabled.
64fe05 No.9448
>>9447
Love you Pinkie, now I can shitpost twice as effectively <3
42ca2a No.9459
>>9425
They did return after those ~14 days pretty exactly as arranged
455be7 No.9495
I'm doing okay. I didn't have much time to post for a while.
a7ea80 No.9516
tripfags with schizophrenia
2f6ec1 No.9689
>>9516
Thank you for posting that. Takes me back to a simpler time.
73efb3 No.9717
newfriend here. well in fact i've been in the first tulpa threads back on oldchan.
but i never started. i always delayed the thing, mostly because i was in depression. now depression is gone ( around the corner) but exam/university/mylifeisafailure stress is always up here.
over the years I realized that i don't really function well as a human.I lack the maturity and self confidence that a man needs to survive.All i really need is a friend, a companion to share my thoughts, that's why i was attracted to the ideas of tulpas.
should i start even if i am in a troubled state? it's not gonna get much better next month or next year.
how much did your tulpa help you in your life?
64fe05 No.9718
>>9717
my tulpa was the reason why I used to feel like shit.
455be7 No.9719
>>9717
mine helped me to be less of a sperg 10/10
e5b867 No.9757
>>9717
My tulpa has helped me tremendously in every possible way and has remained one of the closest friends I have ever had. I could go on gushing, but I think that previous sentence summed it up pretty well.
What you really need to know, anon, is that there is never a perfect time for anything. If you say your situation isn't going to be getting any better, but you want to make a tulpa, then make a tulpa and integrate them into you life. I'm telling you this because I know for a fact that if I put off creating my tulpa for a year then I wouldn't have made him because I've been really busy with a lot of things since then, and I wouldn't have taken the advice I'm giving you know.
If this is what you really want, then just dive right into it and let nothing stop you.
af382c No.9779
Would the creation of servitors be a good first step before attempting to create something sentient or with the intention of later upgrading it with sentience?
If I were out for more of a mindslave to act as a calculator one can fuck rather than another being. As well as anything to aid my atrocious memory.
To what extent have servitors/tulpas been utilized? If you can go so far as to generate sensory feedback through one can you manipulate other things such as your internal clock or messing with body temperature? Or even hormone/metabolism manipulation?
958c03 No.9788
>>9779
Would the creation of servitors be a good first step before attempting to create something sentient or with the intention of later upgrading it with sentience?
Yeah.
As for your other questions, I've had my tulpas rearrange my internal clock, but I'm not completely sure about those two other things. I personally don't believe a secondary consciousness in your mind that has it's own individual thoughts and feelings as if it was a person on this plane of existence can control those type of things.
230423 No.9845
So I decided to try again after giving up.
How do I correctly active and passive force?
What results and signs of progress should I look for? How long does it take to get these results on average?
How do I get my tulpa to talk back to me? Is parroting still an option?
How do I not have doubt over the entire process?
Will things get weird or awkward if I try again?
e7efb7 No.10752
I think I fucked up big time and misinterpreted the parroting part of a certain guide and now can't seem to stop parroting, even when I don't want to. The whole ordeal seems to be frustrating for the both of us, and I have no idea what to do
I've contemplated starting over from scratch but I feel like that would just damage things even further, what do I do?
95d223 No.10754
>>10752
Just force yourself to stop and you will gradually stop, if I could do it with shitty willpower and adhd you can too.
60b8ae No.10780
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Has anyone had success with focusing on a plush of the character you were trying to force?
I have a pony sized pinkie that I wanna talk with.
7e13ec No.10781
>>10780
"Anything can be a tulpa"
-/tulpa/
Haven't tried it, but I don't see why it wouldn't work. Only warning is that it might become a crutch. Obviously you'd completely rob yourself of visualization, but there's also this practice of focusing on your tulpa's essence when talking to her. The former is something you can just practice separately when you don't have your plushie around, while the latter it should just help to be aware of while forcing with your plushie.
7de418 No.10800
One and a half years. Nothing. What should I be doing to get a tulpa to manifest with quick results?
60b8ae No.10802
>>10781
>Obviously you'd completely rob yourself of visualization
don't care, I'll be able to cuddle my tulpa if all goes well
And I always have her with me so I don't mind the crutch
I'll definitely focus on her essence too so she can eventually talk from any plush of her I have. Plushes don't last forever as I cuddle her everyday so this transference is really important.
7e13ec No.10842
>>10800
You might not like hearing this, but in your situation trying to get quick results is exactly what you shouldn't be doing.
Not trying to be a dick here, I know exactly how you feel. Going that long without any results can be disheartening, and then doubt starts setting in, and you just want some kind of sudden success that will instantly dispel all doubt and motivate you again. Unfortunately, that's not how it works. It's not like it couldn't happen, but expecting it to happen will make you look past more subtle signs of progress, which are far more important, since for most people forcing is a very gradual process.
What you can do, however, is to confront those doubts. Doubts caused by a lack of progress can themselves be a cause of lack of progress, so it can become a really vicious circle as soon as you start to view lack of quick progress as failure. Instead, tell yourself that any time you put into it is progress, even if you don't notice it right away, there's a lot of things in life where you do things without getting rewarded for it right away (going to the gym, working on a monthly paycheck), tulpaforcing is just another one of those things. And make sure you truly believe you'll get results, that you're not just unconsciously expecting nothing, since that might also cause you to ignore subtle signs of progress.
It might also help to make your own thread where you try to explain your forcing routine and ask if there's anything you could be doing better.
Alternative answer: There's one tested and proven method for getting faster results: Force more.
0a69a9 No.10852
What's a recommended way to start making a tulpa?
How exactly should I force correctly to have effective results?
How do I not get burdened with doubt and give up?
7e13ec No.10854
>>10852
Read some fucking guides. General questions like that are exactly what guides are meant to cover.
e5b867 No.11064
Hey, I don't know if this have been posted before, but here's this guide: http://pastebin.com/CTXrhayb
I didn't read all of it, but it looks super long and in-depth and could probably help a lot of newbies out.
238ccc No.11215
>>11064
I wouldn't trust any guide that feels the need to mock and disrepute other people, myself, but it seems serviceable outside of that.
fd4fba No.11255
When forcing I gather I should be having a one sided conversation and not thinking of any responses to my questions and comments
and while active forcing its the same thing but with mental visualizations and trying to stick myself in wonderland
is this right?
e5b867 No.11256
>>11255
>When forcing I gather I should be having a one sided conversation and not thinking of any responses to my questions and comments
Yes, but you should always leave the conversation open for response.
>and while active forcing its the same thing but with mental visualizations and trying to stick myself in wonderland
Yup.
a63420 No.11303
>>11255
That works, but you don't absolutely have to do it like that. You can visualize while passive forcing, and you can active force without visualization or wonderlands.
Forcing is just interacting with your tulpa in some way. The context, how focused you are, what kind of interaction you're doing, none of that really changes that definition.
0a69a9 No.11308
How do I get the right motivation to start?
What are some good first steps?
Should I make a tulpa if i get depressed fairly often? Would it have negative effects?
e5b867 No.11315
>>11308
>How do I get the right motivation to start?
Shia LaBeouf, or just imagine how much better your life will be with a tulpa and turn that into your motivation.
>What are some good first steps?
I started off with creating a Wonderland and then moved on to visualizing my tulpa. After that you just start talking to them and hope they reply.
>Should I make a tulpa if i get depressed fairly often? Would it have negative effects?
Having a tulpa would actually help you with your depression. The tulpa will not turn out bad as long as you have positive thoughts about it. Meaning just don't think it will be evil or depressed like you and it won't be.
238ccc No.11316
>>11308
Decide you want it.
Read some guides.
Not really, they'll usually try to help you cope.
43a077 No.11428
Hey, so I'm thinking about starting Tulpamancy. I always felt like there was something I was missing in terms of thinking, and I think a second sentient being might be it, especially with how often I audibly hear my own thoughts and sometimes react to what I'm thinking. I do have some questions though.
For those who have gotten a decent distance with having a tulpa, how does vidya, anime, and cartoons affect a tulpa? Does watching/playing stuff negatively effect the the experience? Do you talk with them while enjoying such entertainment?
Does a Tulpa understand what it is? How does it react to this? Is it able to know things that you don't? Is it's understanding of the world limited to what you know?
Finally, how does this work around other people? Do you have to keep them hidden to avoid ridicule? Can they have you be the middleman if they want to converse with someone else? Overall, how does a tulpa effect your social life?
Apologies if any of these questions were already answered, I tried to do some research and read through this thread to make it so I didn't repeat any.
455be7 No.11430
Here's my experience:
>For those who have gotten a decent distance with having a tulpa, how does vidya, anime, and cartoons affect a tulpa? Does watching/playing stuff negatively effect the the experience? Do you talk with them while enjoying such entertainment?
She sometimes chimes in if I'm playing a game. Less so with watching movies or anything non-interactive. We sometimes talk about it afterwards.
>Does a Tulpa understand what it is? How does it react to this?
Prefer not to answer. We're a bit of an outlier with this. Though she seems to be okay with it anyway.
>Is it able to know things that you don't?
Absolutely not. Think of when a writer gives a character medical knowledge. Will the writer magically learn it just from that. That is to say, suppose you can say "my tulpa knows the human body inside out" but he/she will not be able to demonstrate that knowledge, because YOU don't have it.
>Is it's understanding of the world limited to what you know?
Knowledge-wise yes, but she'd made deductions before that never occurred to me.
>Finally, how does this work around other people?
Oftentimes social interactions require so much focus for me that I can't maintain her presence. Otherwise she sometimes gets in a sideways comment or two.
>Do you have to keep them hidden to avoid ridicule?
Probably your best bet.
>Can they have you be the middleman if they want to converse with someone else?
I'm acting as a middleman here if she wants to post.
>Overall, how does a tulpa effect your social life?
A slight positive effect. Once or twice she noticed when I was being an awkward faggot and yelled at me to cut it out. Worked for me.
43a077 No.11431
>>11430
Thank you for answering! Really quick, I just thought of a two more questions:
1. Does alcohol or weed effect tulpas?
2. Has a tulpa had an effect on work?
I am really interested in creating one, and will probably start up in a few weeks after I do more research. My biggest worry is my lazy-ass media-watching lifestyle and how that would affect the stability/permanency of a Tulpa, along with whatever other activities I do that's not spent focusing on the Tulpa itself. I don't want to be neglectful if I'm making a new sentient being.
455be7 No.11432
>>11431
>Does alcohol or weed effect tulpas?
It can. I've had times when it did and times when it didn't. I don't know what the difference is. Maybe she has a choice in the matter.
>Has a tulpa had an effect on work?
She served as a motivation sometimes, other than that, no not really. It's more of a quality-of-life thing, for me. At the end of the day you still have to have the discipline to work. I'll have some more thoughts on it, in a bit.
455be7 No.11434
>>11432
Followup:
I've been a lot more passive for a while now, and I'm hoping to kick that. I like to think it's because of factors I can't help. Like with all habits, sticking to it is important. I think it's important to sometimes just set everything aside, clear your thoughts and concentrate on building a wonderland, creating a tulpa, that sort of thing.
Again, bit of an outlier here; I'd been making "wonderlands" almost as long as I could remember, and then one thing lead to the other. I was about 15 when it became a permanent presence. Long story short, I'd taken a break and I'm relearning some stuff now, mainly ensuring that she has a permanent presence. It was a lot easier when I was 15. I've also had a lot less commitments, but it may just be attributed to being a hormonal teenager or whatever that stereotype is.
43a077 No.11435
>>11432
>>11434
Neat, thank you for your answers and assistance!
455be7 No.11436
>>11435
No prob, I liked writing this shit
f62da2 No.11464
>>4492
Is this white noise thing good for narration? Please respond.
91151f No.11583
>>11464
nah not really, I'd say it's better used when trying to impose your tulpa's voice auditorily, i.e. trying to "hear" their voice through the static
6a02bb No.11838
I have been passive/active since the start of the month now. All of it has been just talking or reading out loud (in my mind tho). I'm not sure if I am talking correctly to begin with, as I can talk using a voice in my head, but I am not sure if the voice is being projected in the right direction. I say this because I have not gotten any feedback. I have felt the need to move on to visualization while I talk (I saw a guide that says it helps to talk to a visualization, be it if your eyes or open or not, so I decided to give it a go. An issue occurred when I didn't really have a specific requirement for what the tulpa would look like and decided to use something that already exists as a place holder), but I think I have hit a speed bump. I'm not sure what to expect here, and would not know if I am visualizing something or not. The concept is not new to me, but I am not sure if I am doing it correctly. I am not exactly the one to visualize. For instance, I do not have a photographic memory, and I never really had a need to do visualizing. I can remember what things look like, but when I try to close my eyes and picture them, I just see blackness really (I know this is going to sound extremely autistic, but imagine a computer that knows what an object looks like beyond just a text description but when asked to print it out or show it on the monitor, it couldn't do it). With my eyes open, I can try to imagine something on a chair, but I see nothing in the chair. Am I supposed to actually see something in my eyes when I visualize? Or does an idea of what it looks like good enough, despite the fact that I am unsure if I can see it or not?
tl;dr: How does one that is not sure if they have visualized before visualize?
91151f No.11840
>>11838
You have visualized before. I can almost guarantee it, unless you've never had a daydream, never read a work of fiction, or never solved a geometry puzzle in your head.
Consider what happens when you read a sentence like "Frodo Baggins bent down to pick up the ring." You aren't seeing the hobbit bending over to pick up a small golden circle with your eyes. There's no visual information being received except the letters of the text as your eyes saccade over them. Yet you still understand that the hobbit's body has changed position, and that the ring is being grasped in his fingers. Your mind has interpreted what happened visually, and added the event to the running narrative of the story you're reading.
Visualizing happens in what's called the "the mind's eye." It sounds like mystical mumbo-jumbo, but it's a real thing that exists in all human brains. Without it, we wouldn't be able to do a lot of things humans do. However, the mind's eye doesn't work like our physical eyes. We can't just "point" our mind's eye at a blank space and expect something to appear. Instead we need to point it at our memories.
When you daydream, you're using your memories of previous things you have experienced and recombining them to create a new mental scene. Like say you glance at a hot person. Then later you sit and think about what it'd be like to kiss this person. You haven't actually kissed them, so you don't have the memory. However, you have memories of kissing other people and have an idea of what this person looks like visually. So with the intention of creating this daydream, the mind combines the information of these memories and produces the imagined image in the mind's eye.
So to visualize your tulpa, that's all you need to do. Get an image of what you want their appearance to be, look at it and study it until you have memorized it. Then when you are meditating, give your mind the intent to view that image. Then look inwardly to your mind's eye, not outwardly.
6a02bb No.11841
>>11840
>Daydream
uhh
>Reading
maybe
>Puzzle
uhh
I see what you are saying. You would rather me read/recall it from memory instead of trying to project it/re-draw it in a void or something that I see with my two eyes.
Locating this "Mind Eyes" could be an issue. So far, I am guessing they are between the mind ears that hear my mind voice when I talk with my mind mouth. I don't hear the voice with my actual ears, but it does sound like a voice (If I were to imitate a voice or accent of another from real life using my mind mouth, my mind ears would be able to tell what voice I am imitating with 100% certainty.).
Looks like I need to figure out how to daydream and meditate then. I haven't looked into either of those as solutions yet. Partially because every time I take a peek, everyone has their own different methods, and argue over what method is the true one.
18d476 No.11842
>>11841
>>11840
>but it's a real thing that exists in all human brains.
If only it was that simple!
http://lesswrong.com/lw/dr/generalizing_from_one_example/
>The debate was resolved by Francis Galton, a fascinating man who among other achievements invented eugenics, the "wisdom of crowds", and standard deviation. Galton gave people some very detailed surveys, and found that some people did have mental imagery and others didn't. The ones who did had simply assumed everyone did, and the ones who didn't had simply assumed everyone didn't, to the point of coming up with absurd justifications for why they were lying or misunderstanding the question. There was a wide spectrum of imaging ability, from about five percent of people with perfect eidetic imagery1 to three percent of people completely unable to form mental images2.
That said, I think this is mostly a case of "you never learned how to do it and have nothing to start with" kind of thing, and that starting is just very difficult.
My recommendation is lucid dreaming. You don't have to necessarily be good at it; merely making the conscious switch between the dream world and physical world will make you very aware of your mind's eye. So even if you can only do it for 5 seconds before you jolt awake is fine, the clear distinction in the reality produced by your mind and by your senses is the thing you're looking for.
6a02bb No.11844
>>11842
>LD'ing
I haven’t had any luck with that either. And I knew about that years before this stuff.
7f8d51 No.11850
>>11842
Someone else here reads LW. How nice.
18d476 No.11851
>>11850
Actually I just saw this linked on /r/tulpas at some point.
Should probably read some more articles on that site though, seems decent.
7f8d51 No.11852
>>11851
To be quite honest, I too am only dipping my toes in and try to stick to reading Yudkowski. Also, I hear it had become a SJW haven later on, so I want to be cautious.
However, it does feel like the people to whom the stuff written about would occur to are my "tribe", so I'm glad to find other people who might be similar.
0a69a9 No.11856
I keep having trouble doing this forcing stuff.vi looked through the guides, but I still not sure exactly how to do it.
Is there any trick to it?
9ad330 No.11880
>>11838
get a picture of your placeholder, look at it, memorize it, try to draw it to help remember it
ed621e No.11890
>>11856
What are you trying?
3418dd No.11906
What are some things I can try in order to start creation on a tulpa? This is assuming no progress. I've got forcing, talking in mindvoice, and narration (Should it be things she does, or things she is?) What else can I do to develop the tulpa? Stuff that doesn't involve responses or anything, since I'm at square zero still.
e7d0a7 No.11908
So, figured I'd ask this here, is it possible to create a servitor that moves your body for you? I.E it processes information from your eyes and moves just your right hand in response (so if I'm playing a videogame and activate the servitor, I suddenly git gud at said videogame) If it is possible with a Servitor, could I also do it with a Tulpa? I've heard of people allowing full control of their body to the Tulpa, but never partial. I'm asking because the idea of having a second set of eyes watching your back and reacting to something you personally might have missed sounds like a good thing to have.
04adb2 No.11910
YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.
What happens if you have sex wit it once? Is there a certain way people have sex with their tulpas? like fleshlight and your have your tulpa 'in' the fleshlight.
Is it impossible to completely remove a tulpa after it's developed and sentient? Even after years of dissapation with she always be there reacting to my head or getting hurt because i'm doing something she doesn't agree with?
I haven't made one, just curious.
Video is just so i can find my post better later, i would have posted a pic but i'm on the wiiu.
04adb2 No.11912
>>11910
Also this thread http://8ch.net/tulpa/res/10602.html has everyone talking about the insanity that will happen if you fuck your tulpa and then this thread http://8ch.net/tulpa/res/7988.html has people gleefully talking about having had sex with their tulpas???
722797 No.11913
>>11912
Having sex with a tulpa = fine
Making a tulpa just because you want sex = not fine
>>11910
People find their own methods for intimacy, often a mix of things. What happens? You have sex, it really depends what you both even want to happen.
As for dissipation, we aren't sure as a group, some people are reasonably convinced it's possible to dissipate one, some people have experienced an inability to remove them. If you want my personal opinion I don't think my head will ever be devoid of the friends I've helped shaped, they feel really permanent to me. While it is useful to know, if you're considering dissipation it is best to wait till you're certain, making a tulpa requires dedication and care, if you aren't prepared for the possibility of a good friend whom you share your whole life with, take the time to consider it.
04adb2 No.11914
>>11913
thank you for answering my questions.
I haven't made one, but the permanence of that sounds scary to me personally. As much as i'd enjoy the compa, I really would like to be able to know that if anything goes wrong i can always meditate this away, maybe i'm not ready emotionally for tulpas. I wasn't ready for a serious waifu.
d52ce4 No.11932
Want to get into tulpamancy again. Started a tulpa in march this year, then just stopped forcing some months ago out of interest, personal problems, etc, so I have a couple of questions:
-Should I continue and try to revive the tulpa?
-Is it in statis mode or some suspended shit state?
-Can I modify the way it looks?
Or
-Should I start from scratch?
0a69a9 No.11941
>>11890
I tried sitting down and visualizing a couple times. Got a wonderland more or less. Have a general idea of what my tulpa looks like, but i get stuck from there.
Also, i don't really get how to passive force.
Mainly it feels weird trying to interact and not getting much response. I would probably do it more if i got something remotely significant.
ed621e No.11948
>>11908
Yes. You'd still have to see everything yourself, the servitor can't respond to information that's not passing through your own eyes.
>>11910
>Is it impossible to completely remove a tulpa after it's developed and sentient?
The further developed it is the harder it will be, but yes, it is always possible to dissipate.
>>11912
>… insanity that will happen if you fuck your tulpa
There is absolutely nothing inherently problematic with creating a tulpa for the sole purpose of sexual gratification, torture, murder, or whatever fucked up thing you can imagine.
You should understand the reasoning behind the claims opposed to abusing your tulpa or creating it for "ignoble" purposes, which in practical terms comes down to: put yourself in the tulpa's shoes
If YOU were created solely to fulfill someone's desires, how would you feel? The tulpa is capable of being a fully independent consciousness (from your perspective), and won't necessarily agree with you and your reasons for creating it. If you yourself think that what you're doing is fucked up, even if only on a subconscious level, your tulpa will very possibly express that back at you. Even if you don't have any qualms with anything you're doing, even subconsciously, your tulpa may still disagree with you.
The most key element in all existential tulpa questions is the nature of the tulpa's independence. Making a tulpa for any extremely specific reason is incompatible with their expected complete autonomy. There's a general consensus that the best results are achieved by letting the tulpa develop organically. In cases where very strict and specific personality traits and descriptions are applied, generally the tulpa will deviate a bit or a lot, and develop faster in areas where allowed to progress on their own.
But again, there's nothing inherently problematic with creating a tulpa for any given reason, because this is all subjective, your own mind is the base you're starting with. If you're into [insert anything here] there's no reason your tulpa wouldn't be into it as well, or at least would understand why you're doing what you're doing (possibly better than you do). You could make a tulpa solely to murder it over and over again, and that could POTENTIALLY work out just fine for both of you, but the tulpa will have their own opinions, and it's generally not a great idea to fuck with someone who's got access to your own mind (and often better access to much of your mind than you do).
Then again, making tulpas to fulfill desires is also kind of the exact opposite of the point of the entire exercise.
ed621e No.11949
>>11932
>-Should I continue and try to revive the tulpa?
If you want to.
>-Is it in statis mode or some suspended shit state?
Everything I know about the subject suggests that the tulpa is suspended, that what constituted the tulpa before is now stored in long term memory and not active, but can become active again, even if you don't have clear conscious recollection of them. It's possible that from the tulpa's perspective, they're just "on pause" from wherever they left off.
>-Can I modify the way it looks?
If you're going to bring back a previously extant tulpa, I'd suggest bringing them back first, then discuss the form changes with them. The tulpa can probably help you visualize the new form much easier than attempting to make a new form on your own. Besides that, imagine waking up from a coma and finding someone decided you should look different without your consent.
>-Should I start from scratch?
If you want. There's nothing wrong with that. You may progress much faster by working with the previous tulpa, but you shouldn't feel obligated to go one way or the other. Do what seems appropriate to you.
>>11941
Read the first pic in this post >>2212 . If you want to develop a better picture of your tulpa, you need to interact with it using multiple senses, and repeat your exercises.
The development of your tulpa's "personhood" requires other exercises, like ping-pong, ping-pong-surprise, word association (>pic), etc.
Passive forcing is doing other things while keeping some amount of attention on your tulpa. One of easiest methods is to talk to and with your tulpa while you're commuting, or doing activities that don't require all of your attention. If you've got a solid understanding of your tulpa's features it's not hard to feel a presence next to you, as if the tulpa was physically in the room with you while you're talking (imposing the sense of presence).
Something that helped me immensely was having mine read to me.
If I was in your position, I would work on the wonderland until I have any solidly built place (just a small room or platform that feels immersive), and interact with the tulpa there a few times a day. After the tulpa is vocal, anytime I would read anything (not just books, websites, things related to work, mail, these posts on /tulpa/, etc.) I would ask my tulpa to read it to me. This is just how I would do it, there's tons of things you can do, and you don't even need to use a wonderland if you don't want to.
941017 No.11956
I read it is possible for the tulpa to possess you. Would it be ok to let it run my life? Maybe even dissipate myself entirely, so they would take over my body and brain.
117bee No.11958
>>11956
I'd be interested in this, too.
ed6309 No.11959
>>11956
>>11958
In both of these circumstances it sounds like you are suicidal. Answer the following question: Why would you want to subject another consciousness, one that has never known what it is like to have your problems before, to the life that has made you feel suicidal?
It would be like if you produced a child and then off'd yourself because now you don't have to be the one to carry one your genetic lineage. Can't you imagine how messed up the kid would be? It'd be something like that because what you are proposing is to kill yourself after creating a new consciousness to take over your body, even though this is not to the will of the consciousness you are creating.
This is kind of messed up. Why don't you get some therapy or antidepressants instead of thinking about how to kill yourself without killing yourself? What in your life is making you want to die?
ed621e No.11960
>>11959
Your antinatalist argument, while valid in a very general sense, is misdirected, what you're describing could apply to all of tulpamancy irrespective of the kinds of problems you're assuming he has.
>even though this is not to the will of the consciousness you are creating
How could you possibly know what the will of a hypothetical being would or wouldn't be?
You're taking a very accusative tone and attacking your own assumptions rather than what was actually said, and blaming him for the mental illnesses you claim he has, which makes you seem far more spiteful than helpful.
>>11956
>>11958
You could accomplish what you're describing, but it's not quick or easy. You could make a tulpa with such a purpose in mind and the tulpa will potentially take to the task without any problems for either of you, but it will require a lot of work on both of your parts before you're able to fully switch, and won't work if the tulpa disagrees with you.
I have heard of that kind of permanent replacement occurring a few times, including one person who I do believe has completely been replaced by their tulpa and hasn't been heard from in some time. I am assuming you can dissipate yourself, at least in some sense of the word, but I don't have a very strong understanding of the process, except to compare to the methods of tulpa dissipation, which would require no effort on your part. I believe that the tulpa may help to dissipate you, or simply remain switched long enough that you're essentially forgotten.
Ignoring my own selfish objections to your self dissipation, I think if it's what you really believe you should do, you shouldn't let anyone try to guilt trip you out of it. But even more strongly than that I would suggest you let it take you where it will; your tulpa may have differing opinions, and will be able to access parts of your subconscious mind that you can't easily access yourself. In general, tulpas are automatically supportive of their hosts, because they understand exactly what's going on, even if they disagree with you they understand why you think the way you do. The tulpa may help you overcome obstacles in your life, even ones you weren't aware of before. You may begin on a path directed towards your own dissipation and end up somewhere else entirely.
Alternatively you could consider merger (i.e., create a tulpa for the purpose of merging your minds together into a new single mind). That's why I got into tulpamancy.
941017 No.11961
>>11959
My problem is the education my parents gave me, which is not bad, for I have never been called out for being a bad person. At intimate levels, I just can't get out of the mindset they have built upon me ("I have nothing to gain from this" is a constant saying).
In other words - I have almost no drive, no desires, barely feel any joy. I am sure the tulpa will make better use of this life (you can bet that I hope it will).
>>11960
>one person who I do believe has completely been replaced
Did this person share any info on this stuff?
941017 No.11962
>>11961
>(you can bet that I hope it will)
as in
I hope it will want to possess my body and agree to move on with it.
5f943c No.11963
I can I be sure it's actually my tulpa talking and that I'm not parroting without realizing?
ed621e No.11966
>>11961
>Did this person share any info on this stuff?
I don't think it would be appropriate to share any potential identifying information, but the original host remained switched most of the time, then all of the time, communicating with the tulpa less and less frequently, until one day the tulpa told me that they haven't been able to find the original host at all in a few weeks. He hasn't been heard from since.
Even though the host and tulpa were not particularly close, the situation remains at least somewhat distressing to the tulpa.
ed621e No.11967
>>11963
Do the exercise in the pic attached to this post: >>11949
And other exercises that allow your tulpa to give unexpected results. When the tulpa is very vocal you won't have to worry about that feeling anymore.
a3c58f No.11987
I was on the fence of starting to force a tulpa, but then I watched Mr. Robot (great show by the way), and can any of the shit that happens in that show happen because of a tulpa?
91151f No.12016
>>11987
Yes, definitely.
I am also an avid Mr Robot fan and I can say that a lot of the interplay between:
<finale-ruining spoilers ahead>
[spoiler]Elliot and "Mr Robot" aka his dead dad
is a lot like how the tulpa-host relationship is. Especially how he gets his dad to finally show up by trying to get arrested. And Elliot "knowing" the same password as him because they share the same mind.
However it's probably going to be explained as some sort of repetitive dissociative episode, which makes sense given that he also has "blackouts." Periods where he losses all memory of time passing. So it's not the same conceptually as a consciously produced tulpa. And also tulpae are rarely that powerful with possession unless they practice it a lot.[/spoiler]
91151f No.12017
>>11987
Yes, definitely.
I am also an avid Mr Robot fan and I can say that a lot of the interplay between:
<finale-ruining spoilers ahead>
Elliot and "Mr Robot" aka his dead dad is a lot like how the tulpa-host relationship is. Especially how he gets his dad to finally show up by trying to get arrested. And Elliot "knowing" the same password as him because they share the same mind.
However it's probably going to be explained as some sort of repetitive dissociative episode, which makes sense given that he also has "blackouts." Periods where he losses all memory of time passing. So it's not the same conceptually as a consciously produced tulpa. And also tulpae are rarely that powerful with possession unless they practice it a lot.
(sorry I messed up the spoiler on the last one)
eb5b80 No.12030
Extremely technologically accurate! Real depiction of living a hard life autism! The Man forces us to have voluntary contracts with each other so we must take him down. Also, if you can't spot anything wrong with pic related you don't have a right to say anything about the show showing "hacking" correctly.
ed621e No.12047
>>11987
No, definitely not.
The main character of that show suffers from schizophrenia. Schizophrenia is caused by deformities in the brain, you can't cause structural defects in your brain with thought-exercises.
Schizophrenics suffer from a wide variety of symptoms which are caused by what could be described as "disorganized thoughts". That inability to think normally is the cause of hallucinations (in those who have hallucinations), and is not directly related to imposition (the act of imposing "imagined" sensations over your physical sensations).
If you mean very specifically, can tulpas or related practices cause uncontrolled hallucinations? Yes, but not like those on Mr.Robot, where the main character was unable to discern reality from illusion. Imposing artificial sensations over your actual physical senses takes a lot of practice and won't happen at random, but you could potentially learn to do so, and allow your tulpa to trigger such stimulus without your conscious consent.
All of that said, if you ALREADY suffer from schizophrenia, I would highly recommend you do NOT make a tulpa, which could potentially worsen your symptoms. But in either case, the answer to your original question is NO, you can't get schizophrenia or schizophrenic delusions from thought-exercises.
91151f No.12050
>>12047
>The main character of that show suffers from schizophrenia
This isn't confirmed anywhere in the show. While schizophrenia might make sense given that Elliot is "seeing people who aren't there" and therefore is experiencing vivid visual hallucinations, you also have to take into account that this story is told from the point of view of Elliot and a lot of the stuff that happens on screen is an artistic representation of what's happening in his mind.
Nonetheless, I agree that people who are suffering from schizophrenia shouldn't create a tulpa, or at least until they have learned to control it well enough for it to not make an impact on their lives.
ed621e No.12054
>>12050
I was mistaken. He was prescribed some kind of psychiatric medication, I miss-remembered that being for schizophrenia, but he's clearly been diagnosed with some kind of mental illness, in a form that impairs his ability to discern reality from his hallucinations.
Schizophrenia itself is an extremely terrible illness, where the sufferer literally can not control their own thoughts. I think the risks out-weigh the benefits in such an individual when it comes to tulpamancy, though I agree that there are some potential positive effects as well.
dd3156 No.12101
Okay. Can't be arsed to read through all 400 replies because It's already late and I should be asleep now, so forgive me if this has been asked before.
I've got two concerns:
1. How will these things act around others? Like, say, if I go to class or to meet my relatives? Could one make me act oddly?
2. Related to above, can I tell a tulpa to fuck off for a while? Could I just… leave it at home while I go to school?
Depending on your answers, I may or may not start the process of creation. Picture not related, I passed that course already.
ed621e No.12103
>>12101
>1.
That depends entirely upon you and your tulpa. Your tulpa may enjoy behaving oddly around others just to mess with you, or completely ignore whatever is going on around you. It takes a lot of work to get well developed visual imposition (being able to see your tulpa), and even after you have that down you'll still be able to very easily discern what is or is not only an imposed image. So the tulpa really can't do much more than act goofy, if they try to mess with you at all.
>2.
In the early stages of development, it's important to give the tulpa a lot of attention. You're training your brain to handle an entirely new kind of process, and that means repetition. Starting out, you'll probably have more trouble keeping the tulpa around enough than having them around too much.
It's very popular for people to work with a memory palace/wonderland, and for the tulpa to chill there while the host (i.e., you) is busy with other shit.
You could easily keep all of your tulpa related activities confined to your wonderland in general, and not interact with your tulpa otherwise at all.
But if you do everything right, you could just discuss these issues with your tulpa, assuming the issues ever actually come up. If you have anymore concerns, feel free to voice them.
dd3156 No.12110
K, thanks.
But from what I've gathered, it's basically running an independent subroutine in one's brain. Has any one of you noticed a drop in cognitive capabilities as a result of making one?
I'll need every bit of my logical "computing power" for school stuff since the mathematics is quite advanced.
Also, have any scientific studies been done on this subject?
Oh, and finally: I'll assume that tulpas share any mental illnesses that the host has since they share the brain and thus any chemical imbalances or physical deformities that may exists.
ed621e No.12112
>>12110
>Has any one of you noticed a drop in cognitive capabilities as a result of making one?
I have never heard of this occurring. My understanding is that the tulpa is a new process, not detracting from any existing process, and that the brain is fully capable of bearing the additional load.
>Also, have any scientific studies been done on this subject?
This is the only reasonably thorough study on the subject that I'm aware of, and it's basically a survey with emphasis on the potential benefits of tulpas for those with some types of mental illness (if I'm recalling correctly): http://somatosphere.net/2015/04/varieties-of-tulpa-experiences-sentient-imaginary-friends-embodied-joint-attention-and-hypnotic-sociality-in-a-wired-world.html?format=pdf
I've seen some students saying they're going to write their dissertations on tulpa related topics, so perhaps we'll have more in the next few years.
71d398 No.12116
Anyone know if the stress of moving for a few months to a foreign country I've never been to before for work could have negative consequences on my meditation and forcing, and by proxy on the tulpa I'm trying to work on?
dd3156 No.12117
Right. Tomorrow should be as good day as any to begin. Would do it now but I'm too damn tired to read a guide thanks to sleeping ~4 hours last night.
I've got no idea what I'm doing or what to expect. No personality nor form thought out. Shouldn't matter based on what I've read so far.
If you want to give some advice, please do. Hints, rants, call me a faggot, anything.
One last question, though. I can be a fucking smartass at times, especially when I know (or think I know) someone I'm talking to knows something but doesn't admit it. Is this bad, seeing that the content of my memory will be shared?
And another I just came up with. How important is regularity? Due to school assignment deadlines, I may have to skip a week or even two at some point.
Finally, what should I expect? Anything that came as a surprise to you when you started out?
18d476 No.12119
>>12117
>I've got no idea what I'm doing or what to expect. No personality nor form thought out. Shouldn't matter based on what I've read so far.
>If you want to give some advice, please do. Hints, rants, call me a faggot, anything.
Develop some understanding on what tulpamancy actually is and what it entails.
There's many details that guides never actually seem to mention which end up dictating the experience.
You're essentially inducing yourself with a nice mild form of multiple personality disorder, and trying to raise your other personality to use the imaginary friend form you made for it. (Form is not required, but recommend as a way for it to express itself. How else can it smile at you?)
In other words, your goal is to make a spooky mind ghost in your mind. This spooky ghost will be able to form it's own emotions, it's own thoughts, and will be able to use your imagination abilities to project a mindvoice, mess with your visualizations and whatever.
Important takeaway here is that you and your spooky mind ghost have to share a mind: This means you're gonna end up having to share your thoughts and emotions. No, you can not opt out of this. This is what sets tulpamancy apart from making imaginary friends.
You need to ask yourself if you really want this. It has it's pros and cons, and people tend to get along well with their spooky mind ghosts mostly because there's heavy incentive to do so: Pissing each other off will make the other feel like shit, which in turn will make you feel like shit. You're signing yourself up for actively taking care for each other here. ("Getting out" is also not that good of an option, because whilst you can dissipate a tulpa just fine, it sure as hell is not gonna feel happy about that, and thus neither are you.)
>One last question, though. I can be a fucking smartass at times, especially when I know (or think I know) someone I'm talking to knows something but doesn't admit it. Is this bad, seeing that the content of my memory will be shared?
I'd be more worried about it going the other way; tulpa's tend to be rather brutally honest against their hosts.
>And another I just came up with. How important is regularity? Due to school assignment deadlines, I may have to skip a week or even two at some point.
The main thing you want to achieve is shift yourself into the right mindset, and regularity over a long term is the main way to do that.
It's fine to skip forcing now and then, but whatever you do, try to communicate with your tulpa on a regular basis. It doesn't take exactly a lot of effort to do as little as say hi, and you should AT LEAST do that every day.
>Finally, what should I expect? Anything that came as a surprise to you when you started out?
Any progress you make will feel completely natural, and you'll only notice it in hindsight.
Oh and the guides are shit.
I decided I'd write one when I get switching going, but the urge to write one despite not being able to do that is growing every day.
1e7b5d No.12128
Would working on imposition and visualization at the same time be ill-advised? As in, trying to visualize the form my tulpa has open-eyed, but also working on their presence in the "real world" (where they are, what they are doing, etc)?
ed621e No.12129
>>12128
That's a perfectly valid approach, and may actually be more useful than taking it one discipline at a time. As described in the first pic of this post >>2212 , tying together as many senses as possible will aid the development of your tulpa. Visual imposition generally takes practitioners a lot of time and effort, but presence and some other senses aren't so difficult to get down, and they generally help your mind recognize the tulpa as an independent agent.
>>12117
I agree with this guy >>12119 , except about the emphasis on shared experience and permanence. I understand tulpas as subconsciously linked to your own consciousness, even after they are fully developed (that includes the medium through which you communicate and interact with them), with full access to all of your memories and knowledge, but you can limit what thoughts and feelings are shared with them. Likewise, you can get rid of a tulpa if you want, and won't necessarily feel what they feel about it.
>, it sure as hell is not gonna feel happy about that
This is not a given at all. This will depend on you and your tulpa. My brother could never create a tulpa because of his antinatalist position, he couldn't guarantee that the tulpa would want to exist, and therefore wouldn't risk objecting someone who potentially didn't want to exist to existence. Additionally, he doesn't see existence as inherently positive himself, and understands that this philosophical position could dramatically increase the likelihood that his tulpa would feel negatively about existing. I'm certain my own tulpa, while not suicidal or depressed, wouldn't mind if I dissipated him. During the creation process, you could seed the notion that the tulpa will be satisfied with existing, but the tulpa could deviate from that as well. It's also completely possible you could create a tulpa with extremely specific purposes and traits and they end up expressing them all perfectly.
If you do have any second thoughts, you may want to make a servitor first, it's much less commitment and the skills you develop while working on it will help you develop a tulpa faster when you do decide to create one. You could potentially even use the servitor as a base for the tulpa.
There are no universal "right answers" when it comes to tulpamancy.
>Finally, what should I expect?
As little as possible. Your expectations can influence your tulpa, letting things occur without dwelling on the possibilities will let genuine feeling results occur more rapidly. Just try to let it happen on its own. But in a very general sense, someone who understands what you're doing and why without explanation, who can potentially provide a completely new perspective on the things you thought you already knew.
b41e1a No.12136
I've known about this wiki and its inhabitants for a while now. It's a bunch of tumblrites attempting to document and/or explain the effects of altered states of consciousness, and have seemingly had to create a new scientific field for it. However, I haven't noticed they had an article about tulpas until recently.
What do you think about their interpretation of the phenomenon?
https://psychonautwiki.org/wiki/Tulpa
ed621e No.12147
>>12136
Whoever wrote that article has read my own interpretations on the subject, so I don't have much to disagree on (I can tell from some specific phrases used, but more blatantly by their use of gifs I made, which they misattributed to FF_CCSa1F not that I mind).
I would critique the attempt at defining specific levels of the various "gradients" listed. A wiki should be an attempt to present established information (even if that information is theoretical), not define new systems (and if those gradient scales are not new, they should have a source cited). Besides, most of those phenomena are not so easily measured.
ed621e No.12148
>>12136
I could have said more clearly here >>12147 , I definitely approve of the article overall, I think it's well done.
ed621e No.12154
b41e1a No.12160
>>12154
I know it's not a new term or even a new practice, but what they're doing is definitely unlike anything I've seen before. It's very clear from the way some articles are written (like this one https://psychonautwiki.org/wiki/Geometry ) that they're trying to build a new system of some kind.
455be7 No.12161
>psychonauts
I only ever heard that term in from idiots who think just because they took LSD twice they understand their own mind.
4f6470 No.12182
Pinkie, are you putting threads you don't like on auto-sage secretly? If that's the case, please stop
ed621e No.12193
>>12182
Could you link an example? Or do you mean threads were deleted?
Threads get bumped to the top with every new post, so you can just check the dates of the latest posts to see if there's anything fishy going on.
4f6470 No.12198
>>12193
Truth be told I am far too lazy to go looking for the examples I've found in the past, it must've been at least half a dozen threads by now.
HOWEVER
I just posted in this thread: https://8ch.net/tulpa/res/12130.html#12197
The post I linked is more recent than the latest posts in the thread above it, yet it is not being bumped. It isn't even close to reaching the bump limit, either.
ed621e No.12212
>>12198
I see what you mean. It's definitely odd, but I don't think Pinkie is the cause.
28a546 No.12272
>>3187
Mate, I'm interested in this as the next person, but they aren't truly alive. I don't feel upset when I kill off characters in daydreams because it's just a thought.
Don't flip a tit just because someone wants to stop "hallucinating"
28a546 No.12273
>>3391
I have severe doubts that I'm not just being deluded and that we aren't all tumblr tier fanfictioners who are imagining their waifu being with them
I'm pretty convinced that until he starts talking back, I'm going to think that I and everyone on this board is full of shit
28a546 No.12274
How many of you have tulpas of the same gender? I never wanted to have a female tulpa simply because it seems kind of fetishistic.
I just wanted a guy to talk to who completely understands my past and is willing to listen without judging
9e6492 No.12275
>>12273
>>12272
This kind of thinking is rather counter-productive to the tulpa creation process.
Just saying.
ed621e No.12280
>>12272
That's one way to look at it, but you could also view reality as a kind of dream or hallucination. Alternatively consider: a daydream character is kind of like an idea or a concept, and ideas and concepts are often extremely important to people, you could even say part of who a person is includes the ideas subconsciously ingrained into their world view. Just because it's "not real" doesn't mean it doesn't hold value.
I'm not necessarily disagreeing with you, just saying it's really not a completely cut and dried thing. My original reply to that post is here >>3335 (you're replying to a post from like 10 months ago).
>>12273
>imagining their waifu being with them
It seems a lot of people are doing exactly that, which doesn't imply they aren't also successfully making tulpas.
>I have severe doubts that I'm not just being deluded
Where are your doubts coming from? Is it so hard to believe you could imagine something frequently enough that your brain adjusts to the imagined entity, making it an automatic process? Memorization and imagination are two things the human brain are extremely good at.
>>12274
I made a tulpa to express my own subconscious mind, and help me to be more creative and improve my artwork. I still basically consider "him" genderless but he took a masculine attributes fairly quickly, which makes sense if he's representing aspects of myself. He does change his form on the fly, occasionally including female forms.
I guess I can understand a lonely person who wants that kind of romantic relationship, but I definitely think making a tulpa for those kinds of reasons is a waste of time. Not that the tulpa isn't still useful regardless of the host's… slovenly approach.
There's absolutely nothing wrong with making a tulpa of either gender or no gender, and listening without judging is almost a given with tulpas.
dd3156 No.12352
Just found something quite interesting:
http://www.bbc.com/future/story/20150821-the-dangerous-consequences-of-seeing-your-doppelganger
It's a well-written BBC story about the neurobiology of self. That is, what exactly makes you feel like, well, you. That you're your body. It has some rather interesting results, such as that you can induce an out-of-body experience by inducing a current in a certain location of the brain.
Oh, and that some out-of-body experiences can lead to suicidal behavior. Such as the guy who they start with who decided to jump out of a 4th floor window because he couldn't decide if he's his doppelganger or not.
Definitely worth a read. Maybe not 100% related to tulpamancy, but it's damn close.
7ee04c No.12355
>>12352
This sounds like something that could be read to a servitor or a primitive tulpa to make it more self-aware.
>Rather, Metzinger argues that this feeling of being embodied comes before everything else. The next step in the process is when this primitive selfhood, turns into selfhood as subjectivity. “If you not only feel that you are in that body, but if you can control your attention, and attend to the body, that’s a stronger form of selfhood,” said Metzinger. “Then you are something that has a perspective, something that is directed at the world, and something that can be directed at itself. That is more than mere embodiment.”
28a546 No.12384
>>12275
Great. I'm interested in finding out how to fully believe in it. I'm voicing my doubts so I can put them behind me and focus on making my tulpa
28a546 No.12385
>>12280
>It it so hard to believe that your brain can adjust to the reality
I'm totally set with the science behind it, just the idea of hearing a voice in my head that I'm not controlling is alien to me. The fact that so many people are making their favorite characters their tulpas makes me believe it's just fanfiction. I've been doing the same thing, so no judgement
dd3156 No.12403
Okay. I'm making some sort of a progress. I can now feel her touch and converse while in wonderland. But there's a problem: she seems to be lacking true independence. Like, I get a response but it feels like something I was expecting her to say. This could be a side effect of her being a character I used in a story I wrote two years ago and thus being created as a kind of a puppet for that purpose.
So, how should I proceed? The first goal right now would be greater independence and then some sort of communication outside wonderland.
3b1522 No.12404
I was part of the tulpa thing way back in April of 2012, but I never made a tulpa. What's the contemporary opinion on how to do it?
28a546 No.12415
>>12403
I'd also like help on how to make it so that they are talking on their own and not just making it so that I'm saying my words through their lips
dd3156 No.12431
>>12403
To clarify: I'm not knowingly making her do things, but it just feels like that she's not acting truly independently.
The best way to describe it is that her responses and actions are thoughts that haven't formed properly yet but still somehow are there. Pre-cognition? I dunno if that makes any sense. But any help would be appreciated.
455be7 No.12440
>>12431
I think you should keep going. Train ing it into a habit. Sooner or later she'll do something that will surprise you.
At least that's how it happened for me
28a546 No.12476
>>12404
From what I've done so far and seen And I'm so fresh it's not even funny. Dude looked at me on his own for the first time today. Freaked the shit outta me you just want to write a list of traits for the tulpa. Get set on how you want them to look. Then you create a "wonderland"
Think of the wonderland as your tulpa's personal pokeball. It'll be there when you can't "force" actively meditating on them them. It should be your perfect place of existence (hence wonderland) e.g Mine is a sleepy snow town with a cabin for me and my tulpa.
Then you should go about thinking about every inch of your tulpa and how you expect them to smell, feel, and look.
Once that is done, you should just talk to them one of the most least expanded on parts of the process is how exactly to talk to them. Make sure you are just talking to them like you are writing in a journal. Expect no response and do not speak from their mouth (we call it parroting).
After a certain point you should begin to feel alien emotions, it should supposedly move on it's own during meditation, and eventually speak on it's own.
Some tips that I've learned
>Make sure that your tulpa is exactly who you want it to be. Don't force the form, if it's not sticking with you, don't try to make it. You'll just end up lengthening the process
>I find it best to have them read a book with their personality traits on the cover, or actively say things like "Gunnulf is stoic". You can imagine it as balls of energy but I find that tedious
>You should be meditating daily, and the best way to clear your mind is to count in your head until you are ready
>I've heard that assuming that they are sentient from the start can help hasten the process
d993cb No.12480
>>12476
So basically, nothing has changed. Somehow that's comforting. All I have to do is dig up my old trait lists, remake my wonderland, and I'll be set to start over.
What you're describing is basically exactly what I'd be doing, except for one thing, which I've never seen anyone else attempt (but maybe in the years I have been absent, someone else tried it). I am not going to give my tulpa a form. Rather, I am going to treat it as a consciousness that will give itself its form once fully sapient and capable of making the decision on its own.
04adb2 No.12481
I've read stories about indego childs who have contacted with demons and have save their minds by talking to the demons about jesus, because it bothers them.
Now this is just what i've heard and i'm not saying tulpas are "demons" but it does make me curious, how do your tulpas react to the idea of jesus?
e29d71 No.12483
>>12480
Plenty of people have done it already I'm afraid, technically even myself. In my opinion it's probably worth giving your tulpa a temporary form though, it gives you both more to do, more senses and experiences to focus on, they can always change the form later and in the meantime it makes them seem more real in your mind. I've also found tulpas who were originally formless to be generally a little more detached from meatspace and emotion but that may just be my experience. Of course you're welcome to not bother, just offering another perspective.
>>12481
A similar mix of incredulity and disbelief to myself, Remi laughed when I asked if she'd ever believe in something like that. Yuki said those things would be uninteresting and Lyra doesn't think she'd ever have a reason to believe in it.
04adb2 No.12485
>>12483
>Remi laughed when I asked if she'd ever believe in something like that. Yuki said those things would be uninteresting and Lyra doesn't think she'd ever have a reason to believe in it.
Demons or jesus?
75b3c2 No.12494
>>12485
Both, although I heard mention that at least "demons are more interesting", I think Remilia said that.
ed621e No.12631
>>12476
In general, I'd recommend against trait lists. If you already have a personality in mind for your tulpa, let it be that if it will. Traits lists are wasted effort.
>>12480
If you look in this thread you'll see that other people have done that. I started with no form or personality in mind. I think that's the best way to go about it, if you want the tulpa to be "real" why treat them like some programmable, sculptable toy?
>>12481
This seems like a question for the mod removed board.
>how do your tulpas react to the idea of jesus?
"Just another prophet".
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7ee04c No.12643
>>12631
>I'll just let the tulpa form itself and risk it turning out as something shitty instead of directing some of the traits
I have never understood this logic.
ed621e No.12644
>>12643
>I'll just let the tulpa develop/behave only within my preconceived parameters then pretend it has free will.
I have never understood this logic.
How could it possibly turn out as something shitty? You must have a very low opinion of your own mind.
7ee04c No.12654
>>12644
Directing some traits doesn't equate having no free will. On the contrary, it can increase the rate of progress to independence, as a well defined personality has more substance (this is also why some actors and authors experience their characters as tulpas).
Not wanting to influence your tulpa to be more compatible with you instead of being spawned at random and it being potentially less pleasant to hang out with borders insanity because it's a fucking lifelong companion.
ed621e No.12656
>>12654
My green text was a grossly exaggerated concern, to keep with the theme you set. (pic related)
>it being potentially less pleasant to hang out with
>implying you shouldn't work together to overcome your differences.
>being spawned at random
You don't seem to get what's going on in the process of tulpa creation. The tulpa is an aspect (or many aspects) of yourself, it's developed by your own mind, using things you understand, whether consciously or subconsciously. You're not going to get some traits you'd be completely incompatible with, because they're your traits, that's practically the entire point (at least from a traditional view). If you really hate yourself, and your tulpa is an expression of that, maybe you should see that as a sign you should accept who you are, instead of blaming the tulpa for 'not being compatible'.
>because it's a fucking lifelong companion.
You can dissipate a tulpa, it's no more difficult than creating one.
A trait list can give some guidance, and can potentially speed up early development to some extent, but the tulpa will ultimately express itself (if you've made a tulpa and not just a well programmed servitor). If your traits don't match what the tulpa intends to express, the tulpa will deviate from them. If the tulpa doesn't deviate, you never needed the trait list, that's how the tulpa was going to be. When a tulpa attempts to deviate from a trait and a host doesn't let it deviate is the biggest issue I have with the idea, the tulpa is most effective when not treated like a programmable toy (besides, if you knew what you wanted/expected the personality to be, why would you need the list?). I will concede that everyone is different and some may benefit from things like a traits list more than others, but I stand by my original statement completely, "In general, I'd recommend against trait lists." ( >>12631 )
An anecdote on the topic of not letting a tulpa express itself:
There is one guy who has 10-12 tulpas last I heard, most of whom were not a product of his conscious intention. A lot of people told him they're all very similar, which he denies, but he refuses to assume they can represent anything to do with himself (again, where else could they have come from?). And so for each one he'd treat like a plaything - each one who's true expressions he would suppress (or at least consider as something lesser than and separate from himself), another one appeared to express the same notions as the previous. He may still be in denial to this day.
3e43a1 No.12667
>>12631
>If you look in this thread you'll see that other people have done that. I started with no form or personality in mind. I think that's the best way to go about it, if you want the tulpa to be "real" why treat them like some programmable, sculptable toy?
Think of it the same way a parent sculpts a child, you're giving them ideas of who you want them to be, influencing them rather than forcing them to be a certain way, it is entirely possible for them to reject that and they inevitably grow beyond the original thoughts. Would you look down on someone who had stricter parents as less of a person? Would someone's whos friends and family expected they behave certain ways be less real to you as well?
I started out with personalities in mind for all three of my tulpas, all of them are capable of surprising me and acting beyond them, all of them know they can act however they wish, it merely formed a basis for who they became. I stand by traits lists because I think having an idea of a person you want them to grow into is very useful, it gives a great deal more focus on the idea of them being a being unto themselves, gives them actions which stand out as being under their own agency and gives them something to strive clearly for even while young. Obviously I understand that some people do better with out predefined personalities but since my only experience in that area was fucked up I thought I'd share my perspective.
>>12656
Are you talking about who I think you're talking about?
ed621e No.12669
>>12667
>influencing them rather than forcing them to be a certain way
That's an approach I'm not opposed to, depending on why the tulpa is being made. The issue I was describing ('programmable toy') is when traits lists are treated as a fundamental aspect of what the tulpa is, rather than influence.
Everyone is different, and I'm not entirely opposed to traits lists, and definitely not opposed to having direction. I probably should have worded my disposition completely differently in that ( >>12631 ) post:
I would recommend different approaches depending on what the intention behind the tulpa creation is, and generally my recommendation doesn't include traits lists.
>Are you talking about who I think you're talking about?
I'm not naming any names. Yes.
7ee04c No.12672
>>12669
Trait lists are not the only ways to direct a tulpa, in fact for me they what worked better for getting the feeling of her personality was writing actual narratives as if the tulpa is a character in a book.
9e6492 No.12818
How do you make your tulpa more autonomous? Or is that something that develops on its own with your tulpa and doesn't need specific attention?
8b7115 No.12819
>>12818
An awareness of your tulpa's ability to be autonomous, plenty of passive forcing, exercises like this one: >>11949 (the image), and repetition.
It can be useful to not focus too directly on your tulpa while you're forcing (that's the purpose of the ball in the exercise), focusing on other things while being aware of your tulpa's presence and independence helps prevent you from possibly subconsciously smothering them, preventing them from expressing independence.
04adb2 No.12822
>>12819
Does the tulpa ever wonder what it is or about it's surrounding/enviorment?
The way people here describe how their tulpas take control of their bodies seem scary, is it as compromising as it sounds?
There is a hormone released that's suppose to calm you down after sex with someone else, that doesn't appear when you masterbate. I'm wondering if this appears after sex with a tulpa, i guess there is no easy way of knowing.
The hormone is called oxytocin. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxytocin
>“Oxytocin is thought to be released during bonding – hugging, touching, and orgasm in both sexes. In the brain, oxytocin is involved in social recognition and bonding, and may be involved in the formation of trust between people and generosity.” – PsycheCentral http://psychcentral.com/lib/about-oxytocin/
According to this study, Oxytocin is released into your brain 4 times as much when you’re having sex than when you’re masturbating:
“Researchers once assumed that biomarkers are no different during solo sex than they are during intercourse—but this is untrue. Doctors Stuart Brody and and Tillman Krüger found that orgasm during intercourse releases four times more Prolactin than masturbation. Since Oxytocin appears to trigger the release of Prolactin, it’s quite possible that Oxytocin released by intimacy accounts for the higher Prolactin levels during intercourse.”
http://www.news-medical.net/health/What-is-a-Biomarker.aspx
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16095799 http://www.reuniting.info/will-orgasms-keep-you-in-love
“the hormone Prolactin makes us feel satiated by countering the effect of Dopamine, which is released during sexual arousal.”
The point i'm getting at here is if sex with a tulpa is chemically like masterbation or sex with another, and masterbation is damaging.
http://jdmoyer.com/2011/11/28/overstimulation-and-desensitization-how-civilization-affects-your-brain/
dd3156 No.12830
>>12822
>masterbation is damaging
As long as you don't overdo it (like 4 times/day), the pros of masturbation greatly outweight the cons.
Also, the site you linked is full o' bullshit. Yeah, it's got convincing sounding links and sort of scientific explanations, but then he goes on about making generalizations. For example, he goes on about how meth and coke make your brain have too much dopamine in it, thus creating some sort of a resistance and even provides a link to a study on this subject. But, then he makes a completely unproven "logical leap" that since meth and coke desensitize you to dopamine, vidya and porn must do it as well. His proof? He tested it himself a few times and felt like it. Yeah, sorry but I'm not buying that.
About the only thing I do agree with on that site is that you Amerilards eat too much sugar and reducing the amount you eat will make you feel better.
So, masturbate as much as you want and have as much sex with a tulpa as you want. It's not going to make your brain chemistry go out of order.
Inb4 "You can't prove that porn and vidya don't desensitize you!"
Sorry about this autistic outbreak but I simply can't stand pseudo scientific bullshit like that site.
91151f No.12866
>>12822
>Does the tulpa ever wonder what it is or about it's surrounding/enviorment?
Yes, of course. Human consciousnesses wonder about who they are all the time, so a tulpa consciousness can do the same. This doesn't mean they're going to come up with any profound answers that we haven't already thought of, though. I've found tulpas are pretty curious about the physical world, especially when they're young and growing. They can also watch what their hosts do by intuitively tapping in to their senses to experience things second-hand.
>The way people here describe how their tulpas take control of their bodies seem scary, is it as compromising as it sounds?
It can be freaky at first, and yes you are literally giving control of part of your body to an entity with it's own will. But the difference is that you trust this person, and have basically helped raise them and give them life. You understand each other on a level deeper than most people can comprehend, and all of it wouldn't be possible without a huge degree of trust. So the way I see it, letting your tulpa possess is no more "compromising" than letting your best friend drive your car.
>oxytocin question
Like you said, I have no way of actually knowing this, since I can't measure oxytocin levels in my brain. But I can definitely say that having tulpa sex produces different feelings then masturbation. It definitely feels like there is another participant to me both perceptually and emotionally. Cuddling afterward feels good, too. I've really never felt cuddly after regular plain old masturbation.
0e2982 No.12886
So I had this question, it's about my niece.
I've been trying to get into tulpamancy, so when I told her about it, she said that she has those, but didn't know that they were tulpa.
She got a lot of tulpas, some are from when she was even younger, that stem from the fact that she talked a lot to her plushies (textbook narration)
Some are characters from a book she's writing.
Problem is, they don't know they're tulpas, and that all their memories and hardships were a story by some 14 year old girl.
Also, only the characters that have the strongest personality in the story ended up being tulpas (although I think they're all still underdeveloped)
Let the ones with the strongest personality be coincidentally be the ones that are evil cannabalistic sect leaders.
So I've been wondering wjat the best way to go about this is, is it ethical to let them continue to live on in the matrix of a fantasy story?
Would they retain sanity if god came down and said: "sorry, I didn't know you were sentient and accidentally killed all of your friends to relieve me of my boredom"?
And would sect leaders who wish suffering on the world be ok company to be around?
dd3156 No.12888
I'm looking for for things to do with my tulpa that'd improve his independence. We tried the "toss ball while asking for the first word that comes to mind" method and it sort of worked, but it gets old fast.
Does anyone have some other sort of stuff to try?
fbc3b2 No.12893
>>12888
Play a RTS game and let your Tulpa make all the strategic decisions.
b27fe6 No.13111
>>12888
Some ideas on top of my head :
- Question them about everything ("what should we eat? this or that? what'd you prefer? what kind of music d'you wanna listen right now?").
- Play games that involve choices (RTS, VNs, things like that) and let them lead.
- Try to make them change their clothes and such more often as a way to surprise you. Be sure to accept whatever they'll come up with.
- Let them show you things while meditating / in your wonderland.
4b0398 No.13171
Hey /tulpa/, I'm a curious faggot and I want to create a tulpa, mostly because I have some free time and it sounds interesting. I don't really understand it yet so
How do you go about making one?
Can it "read your thoughts" since it's a spooky mind ghost or do you need to talk out loud like an autist?
I have none creativity whatsoever, would making a tulpa help me be more creative?
Should I try and make one or not since it's mostly curiosity induced?
18d476 No.13173
>>13171
>How do you go about making one?
A tulpa is basically an idea that has been grown into independence. Independence in the sense that you don't need to be interacting with it in order for it to be doing stuff.
To make one is pretty simple. Create some sort of basis (note: basis can have absolutely zero form/personality whatsoever.) and then try to coerce it into think it for itself.
This may sound difficult for you to do, since you barely ever done it. But it's actually a skill you use without realizing it every now and then. Sometimes you have a conversation in the shower with an imaginary entity; and often you don't even have to come up with the responses from said entity. They come by themselves. That's basically what your aiming for.
The way you interact with your tulpa can exist in many forms, but the basis is simple:
- Make it possible for the tulpa to respond. Give it some time if needed.
- Do not expect responses. Sometimes they just don't come, sometimes they're there before you even finished your sentence.
- Avoid thinking for your tulpa. The responses should just pop in your head without you putting any thought into it. (Don't worry about subconsciously thinking; as long as you're not actively doing it, you're good.)
Now, at the very start you're just interacting with a simple imaginary friend. But by giving it enough space to think for itself, it will develop itself and start to be a little bit more independent. It'll start using words you don't normally use, come up with responses you don't expect, and sometimes even ends up initiating the conversation with you, rather than you with it.
The methods that are commonly used to interact with your tulpa are:
- Talking with it (mindvoice)
- Creating some sort of gesture with imagination (visual, audio)
- Interacting with it in an imaginary world (imagined touch/physical contact)
You can be creative and come up with other stuff too. As long as you open your self up to responses but don't rely on them really being there, you're good to go.
>Can it "read your thoughts" since it's a spooky mind ghost or do you need to talk out loud like an autist?
Yup. And possibly your emotions too, which can result in some rather interesting situations.
>I have none creativity whatsoever, would making a tulpa help me be more creative?
It'll help you flex those muscles.
I think a lot of people have a way more powerful imagination than they actually think, but it's just that they never bother to practice utilizing it.
>Should I try and make one or not since it's mostly curiosity induced?
You should assess your reasons for making one. Whilst you can do it on a whim, it might not be the greatest thing for that.
The creation and development of a tulpa is basically the process of taking an imaginary friend and then developing it into an extra personality that occupies your body. It can have opinions, opinions including not wanting to fade away through neglect. So if you make the decision to stop bothering with your tulpa, it can have some negative results. Your tulpa may feel like shit, and those emotions might echo through you. Or it might be the case that it'll start bothering you every day in the hopes of getting that attention of yours that it needs to live on.
That said, it depends on how far into development you are. Chances are that you either don't get anywhere close to independent behavior if it really is just a bit of curiosity, so there's not really anything to worry about. It's more about cases where you've been going at it for over a year that you might start getting shit for it.
However, regardless of whether you get into it or not, I do recommend that you start doing some meditation. It's good for you, so even if you get that to stick whilst you give up on tulpamancy you still made some progress in life.
4b0398 No.13175
>>13173
>and then try to coerce it into think it for itself.
Sounds like that "how to draw an owl" pic.
>opinions including not wanting to fade away through neglect. So if you make the decision to stop bothering with your tulpa, it can have some negative results. Your tulpa may feel like shit, and those emotions might echo through you. Or it might be the case that it'll start bothering you every day in the hopes of getting that attention of yours that it needs to live on.
This keeps getting more and more spooky and I just keep getting more and more interested in it.
I think I might try making one since it sounds useful(make me less of an uncreative faggot and practice conversation in other languages), but I'm kinda worried about how easy it is to kill a tulpa if I don't want it anymore.
18d476 No.13177
>>13175
>Sounds like that "how to draw an owl" pic.
It's pretty much the best description I can give. It gets a lot easier once you actually start managing to do it though.
>but I'm kinda worried about how easy it is to kill a tulpa if I don't want it anymore.
Chances are it'll either end up being so underdeveloped you wont have any issue, or it's been with you long enough that you've either grown attached to it or just have it part of your daily rhythm.
4b0398 No.13179
>>13177
>Chances are it'll either end up being so underdeveloped you wont have any issue, or it's been with you long enough that you've either grown attached to it or just have it part of your daily rhythm.
No harm trying then.
I've read a few guides and I think I kind of get it now. I already thought up her appearance blond loli because monogatari and personality, now I just need to ask her shit until it answers?
4b0398 No.13180
>>13179
By the way, I always end up answering my own questions automatically, am I fucking something up or will I eventually stop if I keep trying?
18d476 No.13181
>>13179
>By the way, I always end up answering my own questions automatically, am I fucking something up or will I eventually stop if I keep trying?
First of all, you're gonna need to meditate more.
By meditating you put your mind in a state where you're in far greater control what actually goes on in your mind.
Secondly, you need to making the distinction of what are your thoughts, what is noise and what is from your tulpa. If you can't control something, it's not you. That just leaves differentiating between you and your tulpa, which is something that ends up being more and more easy as your tulpa develops. (Its thoughts become "stronger", whilst your meditation makes it easy to block out noise.)
>>13180
>now I just need to ask her shit until it answers?
Pretty much.
Do understand that a tulpa has to go through quite some development to achieve independence. Push it to answer questions you don't directly know the answer to, avoid falling into a pattern of doing/asking the same shit every time.
The first time you get answers, it might just be that it (in all its underdeveloped glory) ends up grabbing answers from the template (personality/form) you gave it. It is important that you try to push it to think for itself, ask questions that you don't know the answer to. (But don't overdo it. Try to aim for easy to answer questions.)
349cee No.13184
>>13181
>First of all, you're gonna need to meditate more.
All guides I found were some hippie shit "you need to feel the connection to your body". I tried counting to three every time I exhale while sitting upright, but I'm not exactly sure what I should be doing since I was never much into spiritual stuff.
>Push it to answer questions you don't directly know the answer to
You mean spiritual shit like "what's behind me?" or questions you can easily confirm the answer like historical questions?
Also, should I give her a name or wait until she can come up with one by herself?
18d476 No.13193
>>13184
>All guides I found were some hippie shit "you need to feel the connection to your body". I tried counting to three every time I exhale while sitting upright, but I'm not exactly sure what I should be doing since I was never much into spiritual stuff.
There's various forms of meditation, but simple breathing meditation will do for start.
In breathing meditation, you just sit your ass down, relax, and focus on breathing. The goal is to maintain focus on the breathing itself, how it feels as it passes through your nose, throat and into your lungs, and as it passes out again.
The thing you're trying to achieve here is getting a more powerful control over your concentration: By meditating you will practice focusing on one thing, and one thing alone. This will slowly disconnect you from your other senses, meaning that eventually all you will experience is just your breathing. You'll forget that you see nothing, you'll forget the sounds from your environment, you'll forget the touch of whatever you're sitting on or are wearing, etc.
Once you've done some breathing meditation and gained the ability to concentrate properly, you can move onto mindfulness meditation. Mindfulness meditation is similar to breathing, but instead of focusing on things you physically sense (breathing) you focus purely on the wandering thoughts that float around in your head. You don't engage these thoughts, you just should be aware of every one that passes along. If done properly, you'll disconnect yourself entirely from reality, and it'll just be you and your thoughts. With practice, you'll be capable of focusing on certain thoughts (or thoughtforms like tulpas), and you'll also be capable of more easily ignore other thoughts.
>You mean spiritual shit like "what's behind me?" or questions you can easily confirm the answer like historical questions?
Anything that engages the tulpa into thinking for itself.
If you want a person to think, you have to ask questions that they don't directly know the answer of, but can find some sort of answer of after some line of thought.
You can ask for opinions, you could ask for criticism, you can ask what they would do in certain situations, you could ask it to try remember things for you and ask them shortly after.
Anything to keep them busy doing something works, really.
349cee No.13198
>>13193
I think I get it now, thanks!
>you could ask it to try remember things for you and ask them shortly after
My short term memory is absolutely shit so I might forget I even asked, but I'll try.
5d6fb9 No.13200
What should I think about while manifesting a servitor and what components do I need to make it?
980666 No.13759
What are ways to interact with a tulpa while developing a personality? My current method is stating some thing and recieving a half-parrotted response. The responses have gotten more independent, but I know that there must be a more efficient way.
49f772 No.13798
>>13184
Read Mindfulness In Plain English. This spelled out meditation for me, a form of meditation useful for tulpamancy. It's not a long read. Like… 100 pages. I had time to read it and make notes on it in 2 days.
It gets a bit redundant at parts, but the important stuff is there.
9c71a1 No.13832
Any help for someone who's not been getting much results for one year?
People say they've gotten vocalization down in like, a week. I can't get consistent vocal responses, the only responses I've gotten were when I'm really, really sleepy. Like, 3-5 concrete, definitely-not-parroted responses in total over the course of a year.
Any idea how to bring her closer here with me while I'm still very much conscious? I try to passively force and actively force more than I used to, but I still haven't been getting much. It's a real big problem for me, help would be appreciated.
a66214 No.13833
>>13832
Couple of things that worked easy for me:
If you think that you are parroting, assume that you aren't. Assume every response is genuine unless one-hundred percent of you is sure you parroted.
Force a response. Puppet her and force her to respond. Eventually she will do it on her own.
a66214 No.13834
>>13832
Different person here. I always struggle with the whole "becoming disconnecting from you thoughts thing." I always get caught up in them. Its hard for me to observe and acknowledge every wandering thought when I can't become separate from them. Any tips.
a66214 No.13835
>>13834
was ment to be in reply to
>>13193
47433a No.13923
Testing if server times out on threads that aren't cyclical.
d579c5 No.14005
I have read a lot about tulpas, guides included.
Im dedicated to the hours it will take but I'm afraid that I will spend hours on visualising things, but without any progress
"It's different for everyone" But how do I really know if I am making any progress other than just thinking about it?
d579c5 No.14010
>>14005
Scratch that.
I decided to go for it and just let the results come whenever
As I was mostly narrating before bed, already under the blankets and all, I suddenly began thinking about something shortly after which my heart dropped
Is that supposed to mean anything or am I just trying to connect the unrelated things
d579c5 No.14011
>>14010
Shit, forgot to mention that I have no idea what was I thinking about
455be7 No.14025
Pinkie, would you consider removing IDs again? I like full anon.
93a5fb No.14034
>>14025
This nigga knows what's up. Then again, you can probably count the regulars of this board on one hand anyway. :^)
b41e1a No.14102
Alright, so I've been doing some thinking of what a tulpa is composed of in terms of Buddhist epistemology as stated in the Pali Canon.
Each sentient mind is built of 5 aspects, called the skandhas (five aggregates). These are the most basic building blocks that the mind can conceptualize a sentient being as. All of these are relative to other aspects of reality and are undergoing constant change, so we don't see any of them as being ultimately worthy of being called "me" or "mine", but we will still do so here for the sake of analysis. They are:
>1: Rūpa (Form). The physical body and matter that is in direct interaction with it (e.g. food that is being eaten).
>2: Vedanā (Feeling). Instances of sensory information being registered as either unpleasant, neutral, or pleasant.
>3: Saññā (Perception). The interpretation of an experience in terms of if it has or hasn't been observed before.
>4: Saṅkhāra (Formations). Our preconceived notions of the world: Mental habits, opinions, compulsions, prejudices, and decisions, as influenced by sensation.
>5: Viññāṇa (Consciousness). Instances of perceived sensation; the faculties of the brain that provide a conscious experience of sensory information.
An important note about viññāṇa: This may further be divided up into 6 sense-consciousnesses: Eye-consciousness, ear-consciousness, body-consciousness, nose-consciousness, tongue-consciousness, and mind-consciousness. These correspond to the 5 main senses that humans have plus the recognition of mental objects, such as thoughts, ideas, emotions, what's in the mind's eye, etc. The mind-consciousness is interesting in that even though it's a part of the skandhas, it can still influence them in the same way as sensory objects that sit outside the skandhas.
In addition to the skandhas, there is another important factor that we call phassa (contact). This is what results when three factors come together: A sensory object (can either be a part of the physical world or an instance in the mind-consciousness), a sensory organ (a part of rūpa), and the sense consciousness (a part of viññāṇa) that corresponds to the sensory organ: e.g. a flower, an eyeball, and the experience of a flower. All three must be present in the same instance for there to be further mental activity.
By default, a tulpa has no separate rūpa to call its own; it may optionally share the one that its host must have. A tulpa definitely has its very own vedanā and saññā, since the host cannot experience its tulpa's vedanā or saññā, and does not always judge what it experiences the same way that the tulpa does. Saṅkhāra is unavoidably shared by the host and the tulpa, since the tulpa uses what the host has learned through its lifetime to grow. Viññāṇa is special: Even though the tulpa has none of the other consciousnesses to call its own, the mind-consciousness is probably separate from the one that its host has: This what a tulpa uses to communicate with its host and vice-versa.
Does this prove whether a tulpa "really exists" or not? A hard question to answer, as Buddhists are generally disinterested in notions of being or not being, seeing them as false dichotomies. We can safely say that they are subject to more external conditioning than humans. In order for a tulpa to be as independent a being as possible, it might be advisable to let it grow as much as possible with the help of fresh sensory experience, rather than what arises from the mind-consciousness; what the host already knows.