/tulpa/ - Tulpa

I have never felt obligated to tell anyone that I had a tulpa except for when it was appropriate and I was teaching others about them. There is a time and place for everything and there is no need to tell people about tulpas unless they are already on the subject.

>>4579
My dad pushed me to tell him about my tulpas, he seemed accepting of it but apparently completely forgot months later. Other than that I've told a few of my close friends that I know won't judge me negatively for it.

>>4579
I told my mom that I had a tulpa, but it was so damn awkward… I can only hope that she has forgotten by now.

I've been in similar situations as you, OP. My parents are always talking about "when you get married" and "when you have kids." I just tell them that it's not going to happen whenever the topic comes up. They might ask why, and I'll just say that I don't feel the need to have that sort of thing in my life. When I'm feeling cheeky I'll say I have ascended beyond the need for human companionship. It's technically not lying, but there's no need to go into detail.

I don't think that's something you tell people, specially for those reasons.
I told a couple of close friends, but family? That's out of question.

If a friend think that it's weird, and can't accept it for some reason, you can just stop hanging out with him. But family? They can try to put you in some asylum, ffs.

Haven't told my family.
The only person that knows is my housemate and that's only because he browses 8chan as well.
I phrased it as a psychology experiment that I'm conducting on myself.

If anyone asks, my go-to approach is to say its a self-conducted psychology experiment.
The brain is essentially an organic computer. The "mind" is an operating system. Therefore mental programming should be possible and if so, couldn't one program up an AI?

I'm kind of curious as to why you would tell your family about it. That seems like a really stupid idea to be honest, shit despite spending many hours meditating I say it's just that, meditating.

>>4579
I don't think it's very healthy to consider your tulpa a replacement for a romantic partner.
>The best way I can think of is to go full Buddha and tell people that through regular meditation and introspection I have found true happiness within myself, which would technically be true.
Technically true, the best kind of true. You don't need to make it sound profound, just tell them your technical truth, whatever you're comfortable sharing.

Lies only tend to complicate things, and no matter what, you may be misinterpreted anyway. It's best to have a reasonably solid theory and/or philosophy of the mechanics and mental processes involved (however you understand it to work), so you can answer any further questions that arise. Explaining it as an introspective meditative technique isn't a bad idea at all.

If you don't think she'll 'get it' or may react poorly to whatever you are comfortable sharing, maybe you shouldn't share it at all. Maybe agree with her that everything will probably work out for you, if that's how you feel. There's nothing wrong with silence.

>>4585
>That's out of question.
You must have some shitty relationships with your family.

>They can try to put you in some asylum, ffs.
Only if you're a minor, and they can only try to put you in an asylum, which means getting you evaluated by a professional, who would then decide whether or not to put you in an asylum, and no professional would put anyone in an asylum for having what they would perceive as something like a 'non-intrusive imaginary friend'.

People don't get any form of psychological intervention unless they either:
1. Request psychological assistance themselves.
2. Can be shown to be a danger to themselves or others.
You can be as delusional as you want, suffer from constant hallucinations, have full fledged paranoid schizophrenia, you won't be committed unless you fit one of the two categories above. This is because a psychiatric professional is not going to have someone committed unless they're willing to bet their career on the necessity, that's what's at stake for them every single time they do (and possible criminal charges and additional lawsuits).

I know I've been fairly redundant, I wanted to be clear because I've seen people say that kind of thing before, and the idea of tulpamancy leading to any form of professional intervention is incredibly unrealistic, unrealistic to the point of absurdity. Alternatively, sharing tulpamancy with fear-driven individuals possibly causing them to react very poorly is a different story.

>>4589
Why does it seem stupid? I don't bring the topic up at random, but whenever it comes up or is relevant to the conversation at hand I don't hold anything back. Why wouldn't you talk about it?

>>4593
Because your family knows what's best for you because they're your family and you're just confused.
I've had to deal with heavy shit because of people talking to their parents about tulpas.

When I was teaching tulpamancy back home, I had this one guy who I had barely started working with, a day or two maybe, and he talked to his parents about it, or the topic arose, or something, and they got pissed. They barred him from coming to the temple and threated to call the cops on the whole temple (meeting place of spiritual types, not really a temple), on what grounds I don't remember. Fortunately another spiritual guide talked them out of it.

I heard from him not long ago and apparently he was grounded and had to go to a lot of useless therapy.

Back then I warned people not to talk about it with their families because of the embarrassment factor.

>>4597
Telling people it's a taboo makes it a taboo. Ignorant people like the ones you describe would react poorly to anything outside of their narrow worldview. If anything, your story only exemplifies the need to be open about what's going on.

>Because your family knows what's best for you because they're your family and you're just confused.
I don't think tulpamancy should necessarily be taught to young children, they don't need to work with their subconscious mind, they have enough development going on already. If the family still thinks that way when the person is no longer a young child, it's only the family's own demand for control which causes problems. Which, again, could arise with anything they encounter outside of their own overbearing worldview.

>on what grounds I don't remember.
I would like to hear about it, if you remember later.

>>4600
These are teenagers from 15-18 I was teaching, not children. And I have no control of how parents are going to react, but I do know that telling them you're making a sentient imaginary friend will alarm them, whether they were narrow minded or not. I'm sure most of the parents who allowed these guys to come to the temple weren't narrow minded.

>>4601
>These are teenagers from 15-18 I was teaching, not children.
I assumed as much. I was commenting that the view you described ("Because your family knows what's best for you…") is a very possessive one. It's sad that some parents treat their children this way into adulthood, but you can't really do anything about that. Anything that comes along outside of their narrow worldview will set them off, because they want to protect their children from the world more than let their children live their lives.

>I do know that telling them you're making a sentient imaginary friend will alarm them
It will alarm them for the same reason people have often asked if tulpamancy will cause schizophrenia. Ignorance.

>>4604
Indeed it is my opinion. I think you can get more out of a tulpa than someone to reciprocate previously unrequited love, and becoming romantically attached to your tulpa won't do much more than serve as a distraction from greater things. Just my opinions though.

… I personally only think I'd tell someone about having a tulpa if they were a significant other; even then I'd be very careful about explaining it.

>>4605
Some is an understatement from my perspective. And even by educating them what is the point? It will only flood the place with more stupid. We have enough stupid as it is. Like those who use tulpas as an alternative to social contact.

>>4600
>>4601
I would have to agree with Quizat here. I honestly don't think it's necessary to tell your family about something like this years ago a friend and I would joke about something like this. Even though he started he started to get scared of the whole idea. Plus like was mentioned about those where their parents reacted badly and threatened to call the cops…

I read one progress report where the host was really open about it with his parents. Set himself up a system he called "his sentinels" something like 5 people he trusted to tell. Well, long story short, his family convinced him get rid of his tulpa which then threw the host into depression. Something like a year or so later, he brought his tulpa back, making the mistake of letting his "five Sentinels" know about it and from what I saw of recent entries it's kinda an awkward situation.

Granted, the guy originally started out thinking tulpa were like demons or something of the like that could potentially be dangerous. If you have to talk about something, just keep it within the community, I can't really think up any situations where anyone else absolutely NEEDS to know all about the specifics. I mean if people find out about it and are showing concern or reacting in a way that could mean trouble, I would say the best way to go about it is to put the worries to rest by using those "fallback answers" like "Just meditation to reduce stress" Something that will put them at ease and at the same time keep the subject coming up in the future.

In the end for me it just sorta comes down to, "they don't really need to know, so there's no point in telling them."

>>4579
In your situation OP, your mother really doesn't need to know. All you'd really need to say is that you're content or happy with your life at the moment. That should be enough.

>>4604
My opinion on that is that it shouldn't really be an issue unless you completely isolate yourself. Human beings are social creatures, Even the most introverted of us needs some contact with the world to stay somewhat stable.

>>4609
>In the end for me it just sorta comes down to, "they don't really need to know, so there's no point in telling them."
I agree, that was what I said in my first response:
>There's nothing wrong with silence. ( >>4593 )
I don't think everyone must know every little detail, I just don't think it should be treated like some kind of secret or taboo subject, when there's nothing "spooky" about it at all.

>>4607
>Some is an understatement from my perspective.
I'm sorry you've had to deal with that. I've only ever known a few people with those kinds of over-protective parents.

>by educating them what is the point?
I'm pretty sure I explained that in both of my posts, but to reiterate: Overreactions occur due to fear, fear is caused by the unknown; eliminate the unknown, eliminate the fear, eliminate the hysteria.

It's the difference between, "DEAR JESUS, SAVE OUR BABY FROM THE DEMONS!" and, "Oh, is this new thing related to <these other subjects I've learned about>?"

>It will only flood the place with more stupid.
You can teach people about asceticism, it won't cause them to start laying on beds of nails. Education does not imply participation, but I gladly welcome anyone who has genuine interest in the subject.

>>4612
NZ doesn't have that much of a jesus freak issue, but parents of this generation will stand by their beliefs that it is a dangerous and immature practice and that we should only socialise with people that can be seen. And these aren't even over protective parents, these are just regular parents I'm talking about.

Personally I'd rather have a small group of people who find out about the topic than a mass of stupid people flooding the place with stupidity and having a few who are actually interested in comparison. When we were board of the week, shitposting was way up. Imagine if the entirety of tulpamancy was being introduced to the world. Education would only work on the people who pay more attention than the average human.

>>4605
>reciprocate previously unrequited love
You are unbelievably misinformed if you think the reason why I love my tulpa is because of something like that. While I didn't intend on developing this sort of relationship with him, I let it happen because I thought we would be happier that way, and we are. In hindsight, our relationship was steering in that direction from the beginning. He even told me that he loved me before I even considered it.
If you think that he is some kind of "rebound" or "phase" or that his only purpose is to be my lover, then you need to think again. When I decided to get involved with him like this, I thought it out well and maturely and I vowed myself to him because he would do the same for me, and the feeling is sincere and real. This is not only referring to when I decided to begin this relationship with him, but also when I decided to create him in the first place. This decision was not taken lightly and was not made immediately.
Frankly, the assumption you made towards him and I was insulting.

>becoming romantically attached to your tulpa won't do much more than serve as a distraction from greater things
This means absolutely nothing to me. What greater things? What does that matter if I'm happy in my life and do things the way I want to do them? Why do you care if I love my tulpa or not?

Saging because this is way off-topic.

>>4614
>parents of this generation will stand by their beliefs that it is a dangerous and immature practice and that we should only socialise with people that can be seen.
>dangerous… socialise
Ignorance lets them believe the process is risky, and its purpose is socialization.

It would be rather silly of me to say something like, "people can get useful information no matter how many shitposters flood the board." I totally get what you mean about that, and I didn't mean that this place be used to educate the uninformed.

It would be nice if there was some kind of documentary to air or news articles linked on reddit, or something along those lines, where average people could get a general idea of the subject, and the more interested could search for places like this board. That is basically what I meant, and while a popular presentation could potentially cause a bit of chaos, I welcome anyone with a genuine interest.

>>4619
>You are unbelievably misinformed if you think the reason why I love my tulpa is because of something like that.
Ultimately, you have something in you that causes you to form romantic attachments to others, that is a kind of love, a kind of desire for that kind of relationship. You have that romantic potential inside that was not being reciprocated by anyone, and at a later point in time, you have a tulpa who is capable of doing so. I'm sorry I worded the concept poorly, I didn't mean it in any particularly negative way.

>some kind of "rebound" or "phase" or that his only purpose is to be my lover,
Nope, I didn't think that or intend to imply that, though I do understand if you interpreted what I said along those lines.

That's why I said "I think you can get more out of a tulpa than…" And not "you can create one for better purposes than…" or something like that.



>Frankly, the assumption you made towards him and I was insulting.
It is your choice whether or not to be insulted, I can't help you there.

>What greater things?
The greater things you mention immediately afterward:
>I'm happy in my life and do things the way I want to do them
If that's true, you're getting those greater things.

>Why do you care if I love my tulpa or not?
I don't, not in the least. Besides, I love my tulpas too though not in a romantic sense. If you're happy, why do you care what a stranger thinks of your situation?

Oops, this >>4621 is a reply to this >>4618

>>4621
>I'm sorry I worded the concept poorly, I didn't mean it in any particularly negative way.
Oh… no, I'm sorry… I just took it the wrong way.
>That's why I said "I think you can get more out of a tulpa than…"
Yeah, I understand that. He does a lot more than be my romantic partner, of course.

>It is your choice whether or not to be insulted
I was only insulted because of the misunderstanding. I take no offense now.
>If that's true, you're getting those greater things.
Absolutely, my tulpa doesn't hinder me in anyway that I'm aware of. I like to think my horizons are broader and brighter because of him.

>If you're happy, why do you care what a stranger thinks of your situation?
I don't know, I guess it's because I feed off of the acceptance of others, which I would love to stop doing. Unfortunately, it has become a habit.

>>4623
Looking at it again, the misunderstanding was definitely my fault, the way the term "unrequited love" has been used popularly almost as a synonym for "lovesick". I should have picked my words more carefully, sorry about that.

>>4612
I don't think the "taboo" is really the thing itself, but more the fact that more often than not, people tend to turn towards fear or hate when faced with ideas like tulpa.

Like you said though eventually, a big presentation of the thing, even if well informed and put in a neutral or positive light, There are still a lot of close minded people out there, it's only bound to cause chaos.

>>4612
>>4626
*is only bound to cause some chaos.

I've seen stuff happen many times though and been on both sides of this fence. As a new person joining something, you feel the eyes of the older people bearing down on you, just waiting for you to mess up somehow.

Then on the other side, You're the one who's been around a while and you're tired of seeing trends that give everyone a bad name or something of the sort.

Looking at both sides though, as a newcommer, It'd be great to have people not being as intimidating not making you feel like you're in the wrong for not having known about or been a part of the community back in their day.

As an old timer, You find yourself wishing more people would instead be setting the right example to avoid those behaviors and trends you feel are attracting the wrong kind of attention

>>4634
Sauce?

>>4629
I'd really just prefer no one come along giving people false information and fears, or spreading their underdeveloped personal understandings as if they are universal facts (I might be as guilty as anyone; not often enough making it clear when I'm giving a proposition for thought rather than a statement of fact).

People are very diverse, and that means there will always be people who do things other people find silly, that's hard to do anything about.

>>4641
Sorry, my post is a little off the topic of the thread…

>>4629
And I do see what you're saying in a general sense, and I agree, the potential for a bit of chaos is always there when introducing new members to a community, for a variety of reasons.

>>4641
The newbies of today become the old-timers of tomorrow. I'll use some example that is still relevant but not not specific to tulpa.

Electronic music scene and clothes worn. The older ones there preferred to dress more modestly, phat pants, T-shirts visors and all that. As time went on though trends started up and were continued on by the next generation or group. The Go-go dancers started becoming more eye candy and the younger girls looked up and started following their examples. Now you've got anywhere from 13-16 year olds pretty much going around in their underwear and maybe fluffies, occasionally you'll see some with just pasties, tape, or paint covering their nipples.

Now there are some of the older ones who've been around that try to set an example, to teach them how to party safe, guide, and try to make recommendations on things like pointers on how to dress, and how to not do stupid things.

Rambling aside, meeting somewhere in the middle of newbie and old timer, it would be nice seeing those who've been around guide and set an example best they can for the next group to follow. I do see some of that though with some of the general guides and pointers people recommend

Regarding OP:

I told a friend about it, and they were curious about making one at the same time as me. They soon stopped, I believe because they either lost interest or began to doubt that I was serious.

Telling people about your tulpas isn't really necessary, and if you do feel you should do it, choose the person wisely. Ask them questions about similar concepts over a long period of time, decide if you really want this knowledge in their hands.

>>4634
My brain.

>>4636
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>>4654

>>4655
I mean… It looks like it's in some kind of character creator or something

Didn't expect opinions on this to vary this much. I can see the point of both sides. It's not really that important to let other people know about it, but it's also nice to be able to let yourself be open rather than keeping an important part of your life hidden from everyone. Can't say I'm in a rush to tell everyone, nor intent to take it with me to the grave, but it's interesting to hear how others deal with it.

As for tulpa romance, I think it's wrong to assume that a tulpa romantic partner is a replacement for a human romantic partner. I have been perfectly happy not pursuing relationships for almost a decade of my life now, so it's not like there's a void I'm desperately trying to fill. Maybe I shouldn't have compared the two at all, since I feel that the bond with a tulpa is something completely unique not really comparable to ordinary romantic relationships. I just couldn't help finding it amusing when my mother started describing the kind of girl I'd find, and I could only think to myself that I've already found her, just not in the way she thought.

>>4656
The URL is in the image, so you could just type that out. But I happened to have it in my history, so I'll help out.
https://2995c29805bc62632246266798940ee013527468.googledrive.com/host/0B31ASET0VYFvWjE5SEtwZWZmbjg/chara.swf

Maybe you could make a thread, encouraging people to make their tulpa in it? Assuming there's actually enough people here with human female tulpas.

>>4634
… how did your tulpa daughter take it, and why did you end up choosing a human girl instead?

>>4660
I've always just tried to to focus or put a relationship with tulpa into any given category like "lover" or "spouse" or "family" because the bond is far closer than any of those though at the same time it's a bit of every category. Only way I really can describe is "tulpa and host." Besides, I think trying to put your relationship with your tulpa in any of those categories really over complicates things without reason to in the first place.

In my case, I love my tulpa very much and we've done lewd things together, but at the same time she'll encourage me here and there to talk to look at other girls besides her. Last things she wants is for me to completely isolate myself from the world because of her.

>>4665
She's been nothing but understanding and supportive of us, and generally agrees that us breaking up was in my best interests. And while I would've been content with just having a tulpa girlfriend/waifu/whatever, there are a lot of things a human girl can do for you that a tulpa can't (like cooking meals, or doing the shopping, or, y'know, actually being a physical person that you can have a social life with). So for these kinds of reasons we decided to break up.

>>4672
Tulpa and host works for us as well. I might find a girl someday. Who knows? But Tulpas will always have a bond no one else can share with me.

>>4672
>*I've always tried to avoid too much focus on trying to put a relationship with tulpa into any given catagory like….

Wow I think I butchered that

>>4761
Precisely. I'm comfortable with us remaining a small out of the way, secret but not exclusive club. I'd hate for us to become a small exclusive club that everyone wants to join for the status.

I told my mom about it, she thought it was cool. I think she forgot about it though.

Let tulpamancy spread naturally. If you think a person you know won't get bum blasted by the existance of tulpas, feel free to tell them. Just don't go around telling everyone and their dog all about tulpamancy, because that makes us look even more autistic.