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File: 8b2152cd711da61⋯.jpg (3.8 KB, 140x144, 35:36, copymouse.jpg)

 No.1274758

So Mickey Mouse becomes public domain in five years, that's pretty cool. What are you gonna do to him?

 No.1274761

>everything becomes public domain after you are gone


 No.1274768

Only his first movie.


 No.1274776

Intellectual property is retarded and arbitrary. Every idea should be public domain.


 No.1274779

Got no problem with copyright in the creators lifetime but fuck letting their family or a company suck off the tit forever.


 No.1274782

>>1274776

The sentiment of someone who is incapable of personal creation.


 No.1274786

>>1274779

>>1274782

copyright is also dumb, can i claim to have invented the exclamation mark and then sue anyone who uses it? Or what if i wanted to buy the exclamation mark from the public and then have myself the sole owner of that punctuation?

Can a deviant art OC be claimed as IP and then protected by me and anyone who uses the same colour scheme can be sued? Someone lay out a justification of IP, please.


 No.1274795

>>1274776

There's a balance to be struck there. Holding onto to intellectual property just to keep other from using it, or for 100 years is dumb. But a person should be rewarded for coming up with something useful or interesting, to provide an incentive for more people to make more good shit. Nobody works hard under communism because they're not rewarded for it, it's the same thing.


 No.1274800

>>1274795

yeah and people are praised for great ideas all the time, Plato never exclusively commodified his philosophy. People on YouTube make videos for free all the time laying out their ideas, and they are respectively praised by their audience.

>Nobody works hard under communism because they're not rewarded for it, it's the same thing

well there is no luxury in necessity, surviving and thriving are different things. Communists and conservatives will agree on that.


 No.1274806

The day Mickey Mouse becomes public domain is the day Disney is ripped apart by the government. Never gonna happen.


 No.1274813

Can't wait to make my perfectly legal short film about Mickey Mouse as a Hollywood crime boss with Semitic features.


 No.1274817

File: 9fd99cee5e76ba1⋯.gif (2.69 MB, 480x270, 16:9, me irl.gif)

>>1274758

>So the writ of public domain will be extended again in five years

FTFY


 No.1274824

>>1274782

The problem is it is rarely a poor author or creator who benefits from copyright law, but rather a massive corporation which purchased it from his estate when he died.

There is no social merit in anything belonging to a corporation like Disney, where someone’s creativity becomes subservient to some uncultured fuckhead like Bob Iger or a demented fourth-wave feminist harridan like Kathleen Kennedy.

Looking at the rape of most every franchise and superhero, who exactly is cooyright law working for? You know exactly (((who))).


 No.1274829

>>1274800

>People on YouTube make videos for free all the time laying out their ideas, and they are respectively praised by their audience.

And at some point they go to Patreon because praise doesn’t mean shit in the long run.


 No.1274834

>>1274829

>And at some point they go to Patreon because praise doesn’t mean shit in the long run.

That's because they're greedy bastards, just see what happened to Sam Hyde. When his income didn't depend entirely of his art/comedy, his shit was better.


 No.1275472

>>1274782

Intellectual property is incompatible with the free market. Real, material goods should be produced and sold freely, IP only serves to strangle the flow of goods and services while wasting immense resources on litigation. IP serves the unproductive more than the productive, the idea that invention and innovation ceases without IP is meme argument rebuked by the sum total of human history, for most of which IP didn't exist.


 No.1275488

>>1274834

>Dude you should entertain me for free.

What’s it like being an entitled twat?


 No.1275506

>>1274782

>the state should grant me a monopoly on ideas so that nobody can create anything that resembles what I came up with

IP-cucks are literally this handicapped.


 No.1275507

>>1274817

>copyright will last for 1000 years after the death of the original author thanks to Disney lobbying


 No.1275510

>>1274786

>can i claim to have invented the exclamation mark and then sue anyone who uses it?

No

>Or what if i wanted to buy the exclamation mark from the public and then have myself the sole owner of that punctuation?

Can't buy something once it is public.

>Can a deviant art OC be claimed as IP and then protected by me

Yes, everything is copyrighted by default. Most don't do it because either they don't know they can, don't care enough, it isn't worth it, or don't have the money to hire lawyers.

> and anyone who uses the same colour scheme can be sued?

Color scheme can't be copyrighted.

Copyright is about the right to copy or distribute a work. When Mickey Mouse cartoons start going public, people will be able to copy and distribute them without Disney being able to stop them. It doesn't mean people will be able to make new Mickey Mouse cartoons without Disney's permission because the characters will still be trademarked. Trademarks can last forever as long as they are being used.


 No.1275511

File: 8aeae126470a19d⋯.gif (237.07 KB, 500x281, 500:281, this.gif)


 No.1275514

Same thing I did to ur mom nerd ;)


 No.1275553

File: b2adbb55b3ff5b1⋯.jpg (17.71 KB, 500x359, 500:359, spongebob-the-essay-font.jpg)

>>1274776

>be a writer

>write a novel with a unique concept

>lots of people like the novel and want more

>during the time that you're writing the sequel, somebody beats you to it and writes their own sequel to your work

>it's different to your idea but lots of people like the sequel and now want more from new writer

>he ends up selling more books

>movie producers make a movie about it

>tons of merch is made

>other publicists reprints your original novel without your consent

>none of the profits from these go to you, the original creator

>tfw wish there was a law to protect your work from others


 No.1275573

>>1274758

And in 4 years copyright will be extended again another 20 years


 No.1275576

>>1275553

>being so shit that you get cucked by another writer

>being so unlikeable that even your original fans abandon you

>cry, copyright laws get introduced by the (((congress)))

>ensure jewish dominance over the entire industry for centuries to come

>but at least no one can steel my shitty fanfiction haha

smh tbh.


 No.1275577

File: f23542c399718e2⋯.jpg (440.02 KB, 2176x1628, 544:407, boo hoo bitch.jpg)


 No.1275585

>>1275576

Boom, China has stolen every single one of your trade secrets and floods your market with cheap imitations legally.

How do you create jobs in your country, now?


 No.1275587

>>1274758

this almost happened like 10 years ago but (((disney))) invested a lot of shekkels lobbying laws to extend the copyright ownership

maybe if Trump get's reelcted it'l happen, Disney has been working hard at pissin him off, it'd be a nice little revenge for him to take away the mouse from them


 No.1275588

>>1275585

t. Blonald Flumps


 No.1275589

File: 73ae2298986bede⋯.png (1.12 MB, 1020x759, 340:253, final_combat.png)

>>1275585

>floods your market with cheap imitations

But who cares, if no one buys them?


 No.1275591

>>1275553

You really can't expect much sympathy from the general anon on this topic. The vast majority here haven't created so much as a shitty meme or OC much less a work of art. They don't buy any kind of media they can pirate. The ones who do create generally only make variations of existing works. Of course they want every thing to be public domain so they can piggyback off others work. It's their nature.


 No.1275600

>>1275591

shut up, statist


 No.1275611

>>1275576

you're advocating for communism faggot

if a author comes up with an idea he should have copyright protection, certainly not the draconian shit where mega corps keep the IP a century after the author's death but giving no protection against plagiarist does not encourage people to put the effort in producin quality

besides:

>be an author

>write a book

>get's popular

>but you're no Jew

>so the Jews in the publishing departament steal your idea

>rewrite your story to suit their agenda

>promote their own re write leaving you into obscurity

>memoryhole you so hard that everyone will call you a copicat as they think the jew re-write is the original

>you get shunned from all the literary circles cus your a copycat

>you didn't even get a peny from a greedy suit buying your IP before they shat it all over

even the creators of Superman, who got their creation jewed away from them got some shekkels outta the deal and ultimetly they had to sing away the rights to their character before they got jewed

with no copyright laws in place they wouldn't even have gotten what they got


 No.1275612

>>1275585

They do that anyway.


 No.1275618

>>1274758

Have Mickey realize what the Jews are up to and go full Right Wing Death Squad.


 No.1275620

>>1274776

This. Only drones indoctrinated by capitalism defend intellectual property.

>>1274795

>Nobody works hard under communism because they're not rewarded for it, it's the same thing.

What a dumbass, all the leftists I know are poor & work hard every day. Typical reactionary bullshit.


 No.1275639

>>1275618

>mickey escaping the disney gulag

>swearing revenge against jews

>he raids disney columbine style kiling everything in sight

>the final boss is some frankensteined Walt Disney


 No.1275640

>>1275620

good bait but IP is a protectionism and nothing more, its completely anti-capitalist


 No.1275642

File: 0ea83c2a6a7ffdd⋯.webm (970.83 KB, 640x360, 16:9, laughing owl.webm)

>>1275620

>work hard every day

>are poor


 No.1275643

>>1275642

capitalism in a nutshell


 No.1275645

>>1275620

>all the leftists I know are poor

no wonder they want wealth redistrubuted then

>work hard every day

and do they share the fruits of their labour with the poor who can't be bothered to work? or do they hog them all like good capitalist?

lemme ask you a question

Would you bother to study medicine or enginering if you know you're gonna earn the same as the guy who scrubs up toilets?

why put the effort into learning a complicated ´rpfeccion if you won't get any extra rewards for the effort spent? just go out and mop flors, no need to study a career for half a decade if the dumb nigger who picks up your trash earns as much as you

>>1275640

>IP is anti-capitalism

how exaclty? hoarding a resourse you cvreated such as an intelectual property and proffiting from it sounds like textbook capitalsim for me, care to elaborate on your statement?


 No.1275651

>>1275645

>learning a complicated ´rpfeccion

>´rpfeccion

I mean profecion

god my spelling suck it gave me cancer just reading it


 No.1275652

>>1275639

Nah, he'd be guided by Walt Disney's ghost to fight against Moloch.


 No.1275654

File: 3ee61edfab33ff7⋯.jpg (98.17 KB, 378x485, 378:485, 1438996528353.jpg)

>>1275620

>all the leftists I know are poor & work hard every day.

Gee I wonder why

>>1275643

>provides work that is of little worth compared to other professions

>can't really compete otherwise in the free market

>CAPITALISM IS EBIL!!


 No.1275656

>>1275654

Anyone who works hard should be able to have a decent life, that goes for any job. basic political philosophy anon, capitalism is darwinistic nihilism, that's why everybody is so unhappy in the world.


 No.1275658

>>1275645

>Would you bother to study medicine or engineering if you know you're gonna earn the same as the guy who scrubs up toilets?

Presumably some would do so out of honest desire to work in that field or for the warm fuzzies they get from helping but I don't think you could rely on there being enough of those types to have difficult but critical professions staffed by competent and motivated people. Eventually either talented people would be forced to pursue those fields from sheer necessity or the bar for competency would be lowered dramtically so well meaning but incompetent people could fill the ranks and and at least some kind of work would happen, I imagine.


 No.1275659

>>1275656

>Anyone who works hard should be able to have a decent life

so provide one for them. nothing's stopping you.


 No.1275663

>>1275656

You can work hard at anything but it doesn't mean that thing is useful or worth much.


 No.1275667

>>1275656

Alright cool, so that's going to come out of your pocket right? Because I'm not going to take money out of my paycheck to pay for these dregs of society. You know because my work and wealth belongs to me and my family, that's basic political philosophy.


 No.1275670

>>1275663

It wouldn't fucking matter, the free market created that job for people to be assigned to it, to make a living. No one cares about their "place", they just want to survive. What is your point? Are you just being snobby because you think an office job is better than a labourer position?

>>1275659

explain.

>>1275667

Yeah, where did I fucking say I would violate that idea? I want full employment for everyone, leftists don't accept NEETdom or state allowance to be lazy.


 No.1275671

>>1275670

>explain.

if you think someone deserves more money than they're currently getting, you are free to give it to them


 No.1275672

>>1275671

You are pathetic.


 No.1275676

>>1275672

Your insults are not going to convince me to give you money, I fear.


 No.1275677

>>1275658

so in other words

the level of profecionalism in a commie state would be like content creators on youtube

>either talented people would be forced to pursue those fields from sheer necessity

how do youy force someone to become a doctor, or at least a competent one, the stick ain't gonna work, they'll just do the bare minimum to ensure not gettin punishment, and they won't even do a good jub, just a job that looks well doen on a superficial level so the other option is to dangle a carrot in front of them, and the only carrot that motivates people to put the effort in are shekkels, but giving them more shekkels than coon scrubing toilets would be anti-communist

>the bar for competency would be lowered dramtically

this is exactly what has happened every single time Marxist theory has been applyed no matter if it hapens to culture politcis or economy, communism lowers everything to the lowest common denominator for the sake of equality, those who are beneath cannot suddenly rise to the level of the superior, but the superior can be quickly brougth down to the level of the inferior

>well meaning but incompetent people could fill the ranks and and at least some kind of work would happen

this is exaclty what is going on in the entretainment industry, wether it's movies, comics or vidya it's all full of virtue signaling faggots so incompetent they couldn't sell sugar flavored cocaine in wall street


 No.1275678

>>1275676

I am not asking for YOUR money, why do you have this idea in your head?


 No.1275681

>>1275670

What it sounds to me is that you're advocating for socialism, so what I gathered from what you're saying is you're going to redistribute wealth, aka, take money from the middle class and give it to the poor. In a capitalist society, a true free market not the dogshit we have today, while the poorest will not have Ferrari and huge mansions they will be better off in the long run. This is the truth, late 19th century early 20th century Americans were all getting richer. The Carnegies and Fords of the world were getting extremely rich of course, but your every day American was also getting richer comparative to what they used to have. Of course, people who don't contribute much in terms of value, like everyday unskilled labor workers, weren't as rich as skilled workers and they sure as hell weren't as rich as professions like doctors or engineers but they were better off.

So I'll ask you, where are you getting this money from? Are you going to enslave the children of the future with debt like the current system of many Western countries? Are you going to try to take money from the rich, who will flee and take their factories and jobs with them? How are you going to make this money to artificially pump money into classes of society who don't really deserve that type of money?


 No.1275682

>>1275678

you are asking for someone else's money. doesn't matter if it's me in particular.


 No.1275683

>>1275678

The money for everyone to have whatever your conception of a "decent living" is has to come from somewhere. Either through voluntary dispersal or a effort of the state. You are free to redistribute your wealth to whatever deserving underpaid individual but I shall pass as I prefer my wealth to go to my family.


 No.1275688

>>1275681

>What it sounds to me is that you're advocating for socialism, so what I gathered from what you're saying is you're going to redistribute wealth, aka, take money from the middle class and give it to the poor

socialism is collectivised public industry, not that, what you are describing here is called social democracy, you will see this type of idea promoted by people like Bernie Sanders. Karl Mar referred to social democracy as social fascism because it denied the plight of revolution.

>So I'll ask you, where are you getting this money from? Are you going to enslave the children of the future with debt like the current system of many Western countries?

Money is a valuation of products created from labour, if the public owned it's national industry, it could produce a necessary amount to supply every citizen with enough materials to live, and if everyone in society worked towards eachother's necessity then we wuld have a very efficient national workforce and it would reduce work hours while also making us richer. Think of Walmart but every store has 100 employees and they all work because it serves a purpose to society, not just because the free market shat it out.

You seem to have a lot of prejudice and seem quite uneducated on the subject, please don't blow things out of proportion.


 No.1275689

>>1275553

>write a novel with a unique concept

-t. not an author


 No.1275694

File: c44c20d157e41ef⋯.jpg (35.34 KB, 455x426, 455:426, hayek.jpg)

>>1275688

>labor theory of value


 No.1275696

>>1275667

>shitposts on 8ch.net/tv/

>not a dreg

Haha ok fam sure thing


 No.1275697


 No.1275698

>>1275688

>if the public owned it's national industry

If that then I would suggest that either nothing would get accomplished because every self imagined visionary would fight each other tooth and nail over what directions and policies to take with them or a new leader class would emerge to take the reins and this would lead right back into a typical hierarchy of private ownership in all but name and history would repeat.


 No.1275700

>>1275694

Adam Smith formulated the labour theory of value, he is one of the most famous liberal capitalists who ever lived, Marx just referenced his work when formulating his own political theory.


 No.1275701

>>1275670

>leftists don't accept NEETdom or state allowance to be lazy

how so?

almost all leftards i know, or at least the leftards who actually know leftard theory and are not just a "givesmedat" nigger, are neets suported by their capitalist families just like good old Marx

also, state allowance to be lazy is the begining of a commie state

>give nogs their "givesmedat" so they become social parasites

>"givesmedat" are paid for with tax money from the middle class

>the middle class gets it's blood sucked by niggers who keep claiming for more while doing less and less

>the goverment gives in, cus they're a cheap vote to buy, they repoduce like roaches knowing the gov will give them givesmedat per child

>the middle class is grinded to dust to feed nogs with the remains

>in the end, there's nothing left but the filthy rich in the gov, and the "givesmedat" nogs with nothing in between

>the breach between poor and rich is so large that nobody can't opose the rich in the comy state when they turn the "utopia" into a tyranical feudal dictatorship that has no need to give anything to their serfs

>if they try to revel they get sent to gulags because there is no economic force capable of oposing the rich

>and with modern technology, a revolution like the French one just ain't gonna succed

>serfs with stics and stones may have been firghtfull when they came en mass and you had nothing but sword and shield

>nowadays an angry mov would just get carpet bombed


 No.1275704

>>1275698

The workplace would be democratised, and why else would an outcome which didn't benefit the workers come out of that, since their survival depended on their own collective and thus individual efficiency in production?


 No.1275708

>>1275701

believe whatever you want to, dude. I clearly cannot penetrate your ideological bias.


 No.1275709

>>1275704

>The workplace would be democratised

So every self imagined visionary would fight each other tooth and nail and efficiency and production would plummet as various factions constantly jostle for leadership and constantly change course in mid stream as they rise and fall.


 No.1275710

>>1275700

>Adam Smith formulated the labour theory of value

yes, in the 18th century. economics has evolved since then, much like biology no longer advocates for lamarckian evolution


 No.1275711

>>1275697

muh no arguments


 No.1275712

>>1275688

So you want to nationalize companies and give it to the control of politicians, who aren't even running companies for profit, to what? Give everyone a "decent living"? That doesn't make everyone richer, it makes everyone poorer as a result of price setting and no natural growth of the economy. It sounds like you're just going to make everyone poor with that system, but since everyone is poor is the standard of living so I guess no one would notice and think they're actually rich. What you're proposing will make everyone poor.


 No.1275713

>>1275645

>a resource

>an idea

Really juices yr lemon


 No.1275717

>>1275713

People with the intelligence and creativity to formulate valuable ideas are one of the most valuable resources imaginable.


 No.1275719

>>1275709

leaders and managers would be elected to guide the company, a business still needs managers.


 No.1275723

>>1275712

NO, listen to what the fuck I'm saying, I never said I wanted to give politicians power, I want the public to govern themselves.


 No.1275726

>>1275719

Ah, a hierarchy that takes the reins. It won't take long for them to become entrenched and to find willing and rewarded followers who will ensure that they stay at the top. Soon your "public" industries will be once again in the hands of private interests.


 No.1275727

File: 37146662f36cfe5⋯.jpg (102.37 KB, 812x531, 812:531, 011d0061de854efb3b1212511d….jpg)

Always hilarious to see that the only faggots advocating for socialism and other leftard bullshit are people who never lived a day in a socialist country. If you told my father he should go back to live in a socialist society, he would bash your little soyface in.


 No.1275728

>>1275723

so you're an anarchist? cool, me too.

you do realize there can be no anarchy without a free market, right?


 No.1275734

>>1275726

How is there hierarchy? If the manager is doing a shit job, they will be fired, like in real life, but the workers can decide that, and not just the private owner of the business. The power goes to the public rather than an individual.


 No.1275738

>>1275734

>If the manager is doing a shit job, they will be fired

Back to the changing course in mid stream and the infighting for who takes the lead. Oh dear.


 No.1275742

>>1275688

>if everyone in society worked towards eachother's necessity

That will never happen, people are selfish by nature

i know very well i wouldn't mind torturing a thousand babys from strangers if it wopuld mean that i would spare a headache to someone i know, i simply do not care for the well being of strangers any more than they care for mine, "working for eachother" is naive idealism born from feels not facts

the only time socialism worked was when it was mixed with nationalism, people worked for the greatness of their nation, who i turn, woked for the greatness of it's people, and htis meant allowing them to enjoy the fruits of their labour like good capitalsim ought to, but without shittin over their own country like globalist capitalist do

>>1275708

>I clearly cannot penetrate your ideological bias

you ain't penetrating enything with that limp dick made of feels ya little faggot, my idelogical pussy only takes FACTS in and commies don't have any in their ideology


 No.1275743

>>1275728

if the modes of production are owned by the public for the public, then the market will be restricted to necessities. Commodities would be entirely secondary to survival, a capitalist free market commodifies life itself, "healthcare is a luxury" and all that nonsense. How do you mean a free market?


 No.1275744

I will sell Mickey shemale sex dolls.


 No.1275746

>>1275717

And because of this, we need to make sure no one can use these ideas until 70 years after they're dead.


 No.1275747

>>1275742

>the only time socialism worked was when it was mixed with nationalism

Marxists are nationalists, dipshit.


 No.1275749

>>1275743

free market = individuals are willing to make whatever trades they want with each other and organize themselves into companies or other organizations


 No.1275752

>>1275749

so do we live in a free market now, since that fits the definition of today's economy?


 No.1275760

>>1275749

>individuals are willing to make whatever trades they want with each other

meant "free to make"

>>1275752

not quite. say I want to sell sexual services to people? can't do it. that's just one example.


 No.1275763

>>1275747

What the absolute fuck? No they're not, they want to dissolve national bodies to allow free collaboration between workers.


 No.1275767

>>1275760

you think in an anarchist society you would be able to sell anything? You think you can sell heroine to kids because muh voluntary exchange? Communities would ban heroine from entering them. You can stick in your own shithole part of the country and shoot up and prostitute yourself there.


 No.1275770

>>1275763

Marxist-Leninists want a dictatorship of the proletariat in which by they centralise all industry to the state, for it to then be managed by the elected communist party for resource allocation. It is the basics of the Marxist ideology. Many anarchists are opposed to this model because of the historical scarcity and corruption.


 No.1275771

>>1275767

I could set up a combination heroin store and brothel on my own land, yes. don't like it? don't come here


 No.1275772

Daily reminder about Marx

>was grossly obese

>was an alcoholic and smoked like a chimney

>was fat and had boils all over his body, even his penis

>DID NOT WORK A SINGLE DAY OF HIS LIFE

>"If Karl, instead of writing a lot about capital, had made a lot of it … it would have been much better." - his own mother

>despite marrying into royalty and being handed over four times the average wage of a skilled worker lived in perpetual poverty

>always refused to pay the filthy gentile proles for work they had done for him

>on the day of the death of the beloved mistress of his friend and benefactor asked if he could move into the house

>two of his children staved to death while he was busy being a lazy kike in the museum

>never paid the lady's maid that loyally followed his wife a single penny despite decades of dedicated service

>got her pregnant and refused to acknowledge the child as his

>all his other children committed suicide

This is the filthy yiddish worm /leftypol/ revere as a god. It just goes to show what disgusting animals all leftists are.


 No.1275773

>>1275743

>modes of production are owned by the public for the public

So, in such a factory where everything is owned by everyone, who's calling the shots? manufacturing a car is not something that canbe done in total anarchy, you need a Henrry Ford to organize the workers and you can bet your ass they'll all fight over the position of Henrry Ford cus nobody want's to do the heavy dirty labour

>the market will be restricted to necessities. Commodities would be entirely secondary to survival

makes sence, people in commie states are to busy making lines for bread to worry about getting the latest iphon to virtue signal how much they care about the poor on the trendies social media

>a capitalist free market commodifies life itself, "healthcare is a luxury"

it feels so good not to live in Merica and still have public services, public education and public healthcare… i only wished our goverment wasn't so cucked as to let migrants who don't pay taxes use those services for free

>>1275747

>Marxists are nationalists

Marxist will be nationalsit once the NWO is established, for now they are all globalist


 No.1275774

>>1275760

free markets are also social contracts, just because you want to sell something doesn't mean that you will be able to, unless with selective individuals or communities. The opportunity for a completely free market exists without national laws, but that doesn't mean that most communities wouldn't manage themselves positively.


 No.1275778

>>1275772

Fake news, that's a description of hitler


 No.1275782

>>1275774

>just because you want to sell something doesn't mean that you will be able to

that's why I said individuals are free to make make whatever trades they want, i.e. there needs to be at least two willing people for a trade to happen


 No.1275783

>>1275773

>you need a Henrry Ford to organize the workers

Workers would elect managers.

>it feels so good not to live in Merica and still have public services, public education and public healthcare… i only wished our goverment wasn't so cucked as to let migrants who don't pay taxes use those services for free

yeah I agree, you can be a leftist and anti-immigration.

>Marxist will be nationalsit once the NWO is established, for now they are all globalist

NWO is about capitalist feudalist monarchy with the elite taking power over the public, people like the Rothschild dynasty and Jeff Bezos are not leftists, they want the rich to get richer and the poor to be enslaved.


 No.1275785

>>1275783

>Workers would elect managers.

Sounds like a politician to me.


 No.1275787

File: 038d9522b578241⋯.jpg (66.58 KB, 432x576, 3:4, laughing elf.jpg)

File: 5c5a7e70162dfb6⋯.jpg (151.58 KB, 500x379, 500:379, yep thats butthurt.jpg)


 No.1275790

File: 253af216be984ff⋯.jpg (26.75 KB, 500x101, 500:101, marx let his children star….jpg)

>>1275778

Oy vey.


 No.1275793

>>1275785

but the managers can be fired by the workers if they do a bad job, you cant do that in a representative democracy like we have now.


 No.1275798

>>1275793

Theoretically you can impeach and recall politicians from their positions and it has happened, so you CAN do that. So, these managers are politicians, people elected by other people in a position of power.


 No.1275799

>>1275793

What do workers consider "a bad job"? They'd just all demand less working hours, better pay, more benefits, more holidays, and keep firing any manager that didn't acquiesce to these demands until the factory went bankrupt.

Marxism utterly fails to take into account how real people behave, which isn't a surprise since it was created by a lazy Jew that embodies the parasitic traits of his race to near perfection.


 No.1275802

>>1275798

they only have managerial power, they cant start wars or anything like that. Their power is limited to production.


 No.1275803

>>1275799

inb4 "durr people aren't rational"


 No.1275805

File: 494511a6cc240a4⋯.jpg (7.58 KB, 224x224, 1:1, adolf pepe.jpg)

>>1275783

>Workers would elect managers

and i'm sure it would be a working emviroment as healthy as an image board arguing about their mods

>yeah I agree, you can be a leftist and anti-immigration

<to socialist to get along with the right

<to nationalist to get along with the left

<mfw

>NWO is about capitalist feudalist monarchy

>not realizing communism is the middle step between capitalsim and a feudal monarchy

Capitalism is used so (((they))) get into power

Communism is used so that nobody but (((them))) stays in power

once communism has completly destroyed capitalsim, then it's the time to go full feudal monarchy


 No.1275807

>>1275799

the workers still have to answer for the rest of society, you can't be lazy in leftism or you will destroy society because your labour is necessary to it. You will be punished if you decide to not work.


 No.1275808

>>1275802

Your local mayor can't start wars either but he's still a politician. Factories and companies are controlled by the people, in this fictional world you created, and managed by people who are elected to that position to create policy for that factory or company. Call it what you want, this manager you speak of is a politician.


 No.1275812

>>1275805

government is not the source of power in this world, it's the corporations and banks because they control people's money and income, you know this. The government just acts on part of these bodies through cronyism and nepotism, highly noted by Jewry. Radical capitalism is no minimum wage and so basically slave labour like in Africa, that is the real threat.


 No.1275813

>>1275807

So, you're saying the rest of society is going to fire the workers? How is that supposed to work? Oh, wait, it doesn't, so Marxism just send everyone to the gulags and works them to death.

>>1275808

Why would anyone want a politician to run their factories? Being a manager or director requires a completely different set of skills, usually tightly connected with the product the factory is making, on top of years of experience and a shitload of time spent learning about production processes and how to maximize efficiency.

Naturally, being that you're a leftist subhuman you have no fucking idea what people in charge of factories do outside of your masturbatory sweatshop fantasies.


 No.1275815

>>1275813

No, the lazy people would have to compensate society through assigned mandatory labour rather than their own choice for a job, since they can't be trusted.


 No.1275818

>>1275815

>assigned mandatory labour

Yeah, gulags. And when the state figures out they don't have to deal with anymore bullshit from the proles when they're scared they're the next batch to go on forced labor it becomes national policy, and you end up with every socialist country in existence.


 No.1275819

>>1275808

so any elected official is a politician? From a manager of a business to a president of a country?


 No.1275821

>>1275818

if you don't keep people in line, they will just ruin society, you want that?


 No.1275822

>>1275813

I'm wondering that myself

>>1275819

If that business is ran by a collective people and that manager is ELECTED by that collective people, yes that manager is a politician. A politician is someone who gets elected by a group of people to create policy in a government position, and since factories in this society you created are an extension of the government they are by that same extension, a politician.


 No.1275825

>>1275822

but are you trying to compare the crimes of politicians to the potential crimes of an elected manager by using that word, politician? Just seems like you're trying to reduce the differences between them.


 No.1275833

>>1275825

>but are you trying to compare the crimes of politicians to the potential crimes of an elected manager by using that word, politician?

Crimes of politicians? I don't know what you're meaning by that. I'm simply stating what you're proposing is, it's a state ran factory. And this politician is not going to do things that help that factory actually run, that politician or "elected manager" is going to do whatever he needs to to stay elected. Increase wages, decreasing work hours, giving unaccounted benefits, and all these costs will bankrupt that factory because they can't cover the expenditures. This is assuming that the collective people set prices right? Because what I'm gathering here is there's no free market so you're going to have to set prices.


 No.1275839

>>1275833

Socialism formulates a resource-based economy not a currency-based one, so the production of the factory would meet the specific needs of individuals, not just a general one, like now, where we overproduce to appeal to a wider range of types of people, it will be like the meme where milk is just called "milk", there is no need for brands when delivering a universal service.

If the factory becomes corrupted by the people in power, then it will be scrutinised by the rest of society and appropriated by the state, presumably.


 No.1276043

>>1274800

>Plato never exclusively commodified his philosophy

You do know books weren't given away for free and all those university lectures were paid, right?

Surely you don't actually believe that communism was thriving in Greece.

>>1274824

>rape of most every… superhero

Those IPs were given to the publisher at the time of creation, excluding a very small number who got big and were creator owned, letting them license it to publishers and veto bad ideas.

DC is bringing back some creator-owned content, but it'll all be shit.


 No.1276050

File: 2f4fd0855ee7748⋯.jpg (105 KB, 1280x718, 640:359, laughing hoighty toight.jpg)

>Mickey Mouse becomes public domain in five years

>implying


 No.1276068

>>1274758

Mickey Mouse won't become public domain in 5 years unless people fight back against the mouse.


 No.1276086

>>1275818

Work camps are for rehabilitation of reactionaries, righties, liberals, and other brainlets who don't get the big picture. They shouldn't be too harsh, the "prisoners" are there to learn how to be a decent person and contribute to society instead of leeching.

Nothing lazier than a filthy fucking capitalist or reactionary.


 No.1276091

File: f0d5a2963640eaa⋯.mp4 (672.04 KB, 1280x720, 16:9, kill yourself.mp4)


 No.1276094

>>1276091

Wow, epic meme, reddit/pol/. You really got me!

Now scoot back to your little playrgound, OK sweetie?


 No.1276117

>>1276043

the value of books is the materials they're made from, not what ideas are inside them. That's my point, ideas do not extract value, it is the labour which communicates ideas which do.


 No.1276173

>>1275553

>Someone takes your idea and makes it better

>Somehow this is a bad thing


 No.1276180

File: 196e169479f36ac⋯.jpg (37.61 KB, 408x423, 136:141, 196e169479f36ac6240ca4a9fd….jpg)


 No.1282594

>>1276068

They recently produced a bunch of old-style Mickey cartoons in prep for the coming IP extension case.

One of the biggest jokes about Modern Disney and Mickey is that they never actually made any fucking Mickey Mouse cartoons.

He was just a merch mascot with cultural cache they wanted to keep squeezing.


 No.1282614

>>1274776

I half agree, I think copyright law as it is is fucking insane, but having no copyright at all is shitty as well.

Also Disney will just pull another Copyright Term Extension Act


 No.1282615

>>1275772

Bring up literally one of this points to a Marxist and they'll either find a way to excuse it or pull a NO U.


 No.1282629

>>1275553

As an author, let me tell you, it's not about a unique concept or idea. It's about how you implement it and build it up.

You should be placing hooks and questions into the first novel, stuff that if a second or third novel can't explain, that make it obvious the new author has no idea what they're doing. As you write your sequels, keep those hooks and questions in mind, make throwbacks and reward your readers for remembering.

It's like cocaine; the reader's slobber all over that stuff. And if you can't hammer out and write that story before someone else manages to tangle their way through your weave of mysteries, then you deserve it you lazy hack.


 No.1282632

File: c0dd68e8b1681dc⋯.png (6.13 KB, 235x215, 47:43, (you).png)

>>1275553

>Write novel

>Tie it to a name or face or company so people can identify it easily

>No matter how many non direct sequels are shilled out people will know the real one

>???

>Profit because yours, being the original goes up in value above all the rest

There you go retard.


 No.1282668

>>1274758

Does something really need to become public domain before you use it or pervert it? I guess so considering all content creators now are in it for money. If people had nuts they would do it for free as passion projects and release it all over, free. At the end of the day nobody will make shit unless they can slap their name on it and market it.


 No.1282670

>>1275553

>Not creating things out of passion

>Doing it for the money or recognition

<as bad as normies


 No.1282671

>>1275553

>make something amazing

>Someone else steals it

>It gets huge

<Not simply overjoyed something you created found its way into the zeitgeist

I hate you


 No.1282803

I think it's more about people's behavior and respect before copyrights.

If we take for example Touhou, ZUN explicitly said any manga and anime version are his, and the rest people can do whatever they want. Now I don't know if someone tried to make some actual manga or anime and how it was dealt with, but what you got is a big economy on doujins, music, and other merchandise.


 No.1282806

>>1274758

There going to figure a way to make it longer. no doubt

>>1274817

fuck this man is terrifying. name?


 No.1282814

>>1282632

Do you have the copyright on your name? What if I decide to publish under your name? What if we even have the same name?


 No.1282879

>>1282671

Why would you make something amazing if you won't be able to enjoy the fruits of putting your mind to work?


 No.1282890

>>1282670

I do OC for free and get joy when it's spread, you can't imagine how happy I was that 6 of my banners got picked by ZS to be /tv/ banners.

However, copyright enables artists to make a living off their art and to focus exclusively on it.

The alternative would be patronage, but who has the money nowadays to be the modern Medici? Greedy kikes, that's who. Do you really want artists to depend on Soros and the likes?

And state financing is even worse, it always ends up producing low quality trash.


 No.1282912

>>1282879

For the sake of art and the act of creation. If you aren't passionate enough to do it for free then you aren't passionate enough to make good art.


 No.1282935

File: 8fceee032494107⋯.png (221.78 KB, 678x623, 678:623, 8fceee032494107b8ef2708566….png)

>>1274776

>"i need to make money off of other peoples' creativity and hard work because i'm a faggot who can't make anything valuable"

this is only one step removed from "give me your money directly. it belongs to me"


 No.1282942

>>1282912

But I am passionate enough to do it for free, read >>1282890.

Face it, time spent doing art is time not spent making a living. And art itself can be pretty expensive to do. You're asking for something unrealistic. If you want quality art, enable the artists to conflate making a living with making art. The cheapest art would probably be writing. Painting already gets expensive with all the materials involved. Filmmaking is very expensive due to all the required equipment, even budget filmmaking is expensive. The same is true, to a lesser extent, to music. Sculpting is expensive too, specially if we're talking about marble.

Do you think it's a coincidence that the renaissance happened at the same time that a bunch of rich people decided to compete in a dickwaving contest where the one sponsoring the best art was the winner?

Do you think sports (particularly football) would be as elite as they are today if there wasn't as much money involved? Compare a World Cup champion from 1930 to the ones from 2014. Hell, even the runner-ups are more elite than the champions from back in the day. Faster, stronger, with more stamina. But the ones from 1930 were amateurs doing it out of passion, the current ones are professionals. Their whole life revolves around football. They eat to be at their best, they train to be at their best (lifting weights was unheard of for football players back in the day), they lead lives that maximize their ability and take their talent to its full potential.

Stop being a leftist faggot.




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