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File: 854de4076f6615b⋯.jpeg (61.37 KB, 793x537, 793:537, serveimage.jpeg)

 No.2077127

Aside from having the colors jump out at you like a story time tranny's makeup, I simply don't see the point in watching movies in UHD when I'm 10 FT away from the screen.

 No.2077153

The problem with UHD is that it's advent coincided with the rising popularity of video streaming. The choice for many consumers was quality vs convenience, and with convenience winning out we got these upgraded TVs with higher resolutions and frame rates that are used to stream basically 1080p quality. Even if you have the bandwidth to stream 4k videos, the bitrate is still going to be sub optimal and look inferior to the original blu-ray encode.


 No.2077257

>>2077127

Which movie did you watch?

that you got hurt by the colors also 3 meters away from the TV? I'm like 2 meters away and enjoy the colorful experience.


 No.2077304

>>2077153

That's why I waited until I could watch a 4K movie on disc instead of streaming something before passing judgement.

>>2077257

Ready Player One. The colors didn't hurt me. They just stand out moreso than what I'm use to with a Full HD display. Great, but HDR is not enough to get me to upgrade from 1080p.


 No.2077322

There's a huge difference I will never watch DVD or VHS again


 No.2077326

>>2077127

Yeah, people who fall for memes like that are suckers. In reality, there isn't much difference, but the UHD remasters always crank up the saturation and gamma to make the colors look more vibrant and trick you into thinking that it's noticeably more realistic.


 No.2077367

>>2077322

From 480i/p to 4K, I agree. 1080p to 4K? Nah. I need more than HDR to warrant the upgrade.


 No.2077369

>>2077304

I have heard that it is one of those headache inducing movies only because it feels like you need sunglasses where neon shit gets wild and other stuff.

I would recommend to watch Blade Runner 2049 since it has the wide spectrum of comfortable colors.

Also 2001 A Space Odyssey is amazing to just look at in awe.


 No.2077385

>>2077322

Pleb.

Sometimes less is more. DVD is bland but VHS on an analog tube screen is an experience nobody should miss out on.

>>2077326

And they often destroy the image in the process with DNR.

>>2077367

1080p is comparable to Super 16, it can be projected and still look acceptable (higher resolution are still desirable for projection, but 1080p is workable).

What we are seeing are marketing ploys to strip fools of their money.

>>2077367

I agree.


 No.2077394

>>2077367

>1080p to 4K? Nah.

4K has 4 times the resolution displayed and 4 times the maximum bitrate. It's way better than 1080p color wise and presentation wise. Even the audio is better.

>>2077385

Says the uber pleb with no eye for anything

Jurassic Park and The Matrix in UHD make their bluray and dvd counterparts obsolete


 No.2077427

>>2077394

zach why did you get your mom to waste money on a 4k tv?


 No.2077478

>>2077394

Hey Zach.

You have to tell yourself it's worth it because you spent all of your NEETbux on it, I get it. But for home viewing it offers no relevant advantage and most of the time it's worse unless you're willing to throw an entire collection away every few years when something new comes out. Watching 1080p films in a 4K TV looks worse than watching them on a 1080p TV, and most 4K versions are poorly done (with a more limited catalog too). Streaming 4K is even worse. But streaming is how most films are going to be consumed.


 No.2077485

>>2077478

4Ks can be downloaded

(ZACH)

 No.2077495

>>2077485

This. iTunes' 4K movie files started leaking awhile ago.


 No.2077497

>>2077495

Are they in weird formats or mp4s? lol

(ZACH)

 No.2077529

>>2077497

Do you consider mkv a weird format?


 No.2077712

>>2077326

I remember when 3D TVs were coming out and I was working in a copy shop, some guy came in getting photocopies of all his dvd's for his collection or whatever and I tried starting up a conversation about movies since I was into film as well.

Apparently this guy was a film teacher at some college and "knew his shit" since he was using the copies for is dvd collection booklet or whatever and was making room for all the new 3D media he will buy. I was kinda sheepish, I knew 3D TV wouldn't last and was just a novelty but this guy was 100% sure it was the wave of the future for film/tv.

People can be fucking retards.


 No.2077732

File: d7c882a90734391⋯.jpg (119.24 KB, 605x804, 605:804, hipster.jpg)

>>2077385

>VHS on an analog tube screen is an experience nobody should miss out on.


 No.2077735

>>2077385

>VHS on an analog tube screen is an experience nobody should miss out on.

I don't know if I'd go that far, but there's definitely an appeal to it.


 No.2077740

>>2077712

But a new 4K tv is not really any waste.

You do have fake 4K where the film is just up-scaled from 2K and there are allot of these movies floating around in the market since most directors just edits with 2K but you do have movies that are real 4k like; Blade Runner, Blade Runner 2049, 2001 A Space Odyssey, The Shining and Waterworld.

Even Alien the first Ridley Scott movie is real 4K while Prometheus and Alien Covenant is fake 4K.

It's some of the same problem that movies studios had with the 3d gimmick or phase where they just put the 3d in post production and did not film in 3d, or whatever that gay James Cameron technique was.

I can see 4K and HDR10+ coming allot further since vidya is probably going to try it's hardest to be in 4k next gen.


 No.2077834

4K still doesn't have true blacks and dark colors. lol. If anything, FPS of what is being played matters more than 4k. 4k is only good for live streaming sporting events.


 No.2077856

>>2077495

That's streaming tier bitrate


 No.2077864

>>2077834

that depends on the 4K TV, some are awful with dark colors or blacks while other 4K TV creates them really well.


 No.2077869

>>2077740

Blade Runner 2049 was shot in 3.4K and while the original was shot on film analogue doesn't have a resolution. You mostly just get more detailed film grains in the 4K version of it.


 No.2077877

>>2077869

well, more detailed film grains is still amazing but did not know that Blade Runner 2049 was a fake 4K.

Oh well, I still enjoyed 2001 A Space Odyssey on UHD Blu Ray, it gave me feels.

So is there any film that is in 4K?

Or is it all just shot in 4K or higher and edited the movie in 2K.


 No.2077881

>>2077869

Analogue has a resolution, or more accurately "resolving power". It depends on the emulsion.

>>2077740

If you're in the market for a new TV I guess it makes sense to buy the latest one but I'd personally favor a higher end FHD model over a "cheap" 4K one.

>>2077732

It's about the smoothness, CRT doesn't get jagged when the screen size goes up, just softer.


 No.2077882

>>2077153

What about streaming locally such as with your own Plex server?


 No.2077886

>>2077881

FHD? do you mean Full HD or something?


 No.2077887

>>2077886

Yep, maybe I should have just said 1080p to avoid confusion.


 No.2077913

File: 7e6000ec49efd87⋯.jpg (20.98 KB, 408x352, 51:44, 7e6.jpg)

Standard bluray is most practical for kino physical media. 4K is a clusterfuck right now, mainly thanks to this protracted war between HDR10 and Dolby Vision. 1080p Bluray is decent enough as it still has a higher bitrate over even 4K streaming video. Worse yet, most 4K blurays are upscaled from 2K DI and/or have less extra features compared to prior releases. See the Blade Runner 4K disc and the 2007 five disc bluray.

>>2077385

>>2077881

Kys vhs hipster cuck. VHS is objectively shit. It's only purpose to preserve shit that'sonly recorded on it, and when found it should digitized anyway. And if you are a real hipster faggot who watches on dead analog consumer formats, then you'd have LDs.

Tapes are shit.


 No.2077950

>>2077127

Is it blue!? HAHAHAHAH get it? BEcause it's BLU - ray XD XD Hahahaha! Is everything Blue?!???


 No.2077951

>>2077913

Everybvody hates… RAY… mond… hahahah Get IT!? Because he's on BLUE - ray! hahahaha


 No.2078182

>>2077394

>4K has 4 times the resolution displayed

>Even the audio is better

either this is bait or you're clinically retarded. It's only double resolution you double nigger.


 No.2078352

File: bdf691e5cdc68a8⋯.png (78.46 KB, 4096x2160, 256:135, Digital_video_resolutions_….png)

>>2078182

Try learning how resolution scales, nigger brain.


 No.2078357

I mean, color grading isn't 4Ks fault..

Studios are seriously fucking up films with that shit though.


 No.2078398

File: 705ea4f46da77d5⋯.gif (514.31 KB, 480x270, 16:9, 1419816128017.gif)

>>2077913

>formats I don't like are objectively bad


 No.2078476

File: f799898b0aef327⋯.jpg (190.18 KB, 1252x1252, 1:1, hipster faggot.jpg)

>>2077881

>It's about the smoothness, CRT doesn't get jagged when the screen size goes up, just softer.

No, it's bullshit hipsterism. I grew up with tube tvs (my parents still had a B&W when I was a little kid) and they're objectively shit compared to modern day flat-screens.

And don't even try to compare video tape to digital.


 No.2078496

>>2078357

Color grading is an artform and you wouldn't realize all the shit the color graders actually do like even brighten the whites in actors eyes if they wanted to. They can isolate the face or isolate everything but the face and change the image's color. There's nothing wrong with this and there are many films that have been color graded extremely well, The Matrix, LOTR, King Kong etc

These have more color grading than you would think, it isn't just making the entire frame one color, there's more thought put into it.


 No.2079985

>>2078352

The area is four times bigger, but the amount of scan lines only increases two times.

>>2077385

>>2077478

Stay autistic Nic, it amuses me.


 No.2079993

>>2077877

Not really. Even the big hitters that are supposedly filmed in 4K only do some of the footage in 4K. I don't think anyone has filmed a film entirely in 4K.


 No.2080008

>>2078476

Swans is legitimately good


 No.2080030

Most of what I watch was made during or before the 80s, does 4k even do anything for such pictures?


 No.2080403

>>2080030

Only if it was filmed in 35mm with high quality stock that is well preserved


 No.2080410

>>2080008

But muh hipsters.

>>2080403

I've even heard that the 4K version of The Texas Chain Saw Massacre is worse than the Blu-ray one, and that's probably due to only being shot on 16mm. The grungy look works for it as a movie, but it's probably not worth shelling out money for an upgrade from the Blu-ray.


 No.2080419

>>2079985

There are no scanlines involved with pixel resolutions you quadruple nigger. It's four times as big because you need to multiply the orginal image four times to cover the same aspect ratio. Learn how to multiply before smoking your nigger crack.


 No.2080424

>>2080419

Scanlines, vertical resolution, you get what I meant. You multiply the original image four times, 2 vertically and 2 horizontally. The change isn't that big.


 No.2080425

>>2080410

That makes sense, because the pixels are smaller than the grain.


 No.2080426

File: 8f3daa239d5c4b6⋯.jpg (7.35 KB, 207x207, 1:1, fedora.jpg)

>most of what I watch is from before the 1980s

>shit like Texas Chainsaw Massacre yeah you can call me a patrician


 No.2080429

>>2080426

Hey Zach


 No.2080430

>>2080429

Your life


 No.2080432

>>2080430

I can say I haven't been catfished so far


 No.2080433

File: 83f122de9f53aa9⋯.jpg (122.3 KB, 804x787, 804:787, 1322885424563.jpg)

>>2080426

>thinking being popular means a movie is bad

Also, we're two different people. I'm more liberal in that I'd move the date up to about 2000. :^)


 No.2081334

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.

>>2078476

See embed related, fag.

Might as well be two different films altogether.

They missed a golden opportunity to use the Elvis version of the song here.

I grew up with tube TVs too, you're not alone in that regard. CRTs were cool.

>>2078496

Color grading after production has finished, specially years later on a release, done with no intent to restore something to its former glory but to make it look "more modern" is the film equivalent of spraying graffiti on La Gioconda.

>>2079985

Stay a fag, faggot vol.

>>2080403

That's not enough. It needs to be super 35 at the very least. If it's techniscope (like many gialli were) it's a waste of resolution.

>>2080426

Hey Zach

>>2080432

lmao


 No.2081371

>>2081334

Hello Refn


 No.2081397

File: c62bc704b172715⋯.png (167.76 KB, 352x327, 352:327, are they gone yet.png)

>>2081371

I'm not Refn, for fuck's sake


 No.2081444

>>2081334

Just because a film was shot in open matte and was used for the initial home video release (even though it was already cropped for theaters) doesn't mean VHS is inherently better. VHS still has objectively dogshit resolution.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VHS#Video_recording

>NTSC VHS is roughly equivalent to 333×480 pixels luma and 40×480 chroma resolutions (333×480 pixels=159,840 pixels or 0.16MP (1/6 of a MegaPixel))., while PAL VHS offers the equivalent of about 335×576 pixels luma and 40×240 chroma (the vertical chroma resolution of PAL is limited by the PAL color delay line mechanism).

>>2080424

Thanks for basically admitting I was correct, nigger mod.

>The change isn't that big.

Why do we have a mod who knows fuck all about basic image scaling?


 No.2081450

>>2078496

> there are many films that have been color graded extremely well, The Matrix

Bait in its extreme form


 No.2081453

File: f25d59bec6547cd⋯.png (977.64 KB, 686x570, 343:285, 1352868325335.png)

>>2081444

>objectively dogshit


 No.2081477

>>2077834

>what is OLED


 No.2081478

>>2081444

>moving the goalposts

I was talking CRT, not VHS in that post. CRT is 4:3, and I'm not saying it's better but different and worth experiencing.

Of course when a 4:3 negative intended to be seen exclusively as a 2.39:1 is fully shown the results are hilariously bad, as it can be seen in Ed Wood's Plan 9 from Outer Space, Some of the things that make it bad weren't Wood's fault but whoever was in charge of showing it on television. That's why you see boom mics and shit like that in the 4:3 version, it wasn't out of Wood's incompetence.

And again, more resolution isn't always better. Romero's mustache wasn't as much of a problem when playing the Joker because it was 60s TV. Now it's impossible to not notice it.

More resolution is better if the material was intended to be that way (which to be fair is usually the case, but that's another question).


 No.2081567

>>2077394

>Jurassic Park and The Matrix in UHD make their bluray and dvd counterparts

[citation needed]


 No.2081572

>>2077127

You're a fucking faggot dude.


 No.2081576

>>2081334

Can you speak english, please?


 No.2081578

>>2077127

The colors have nothing to do with the resolution but with HDR. Unless the screen is larger than 65" there is fuck all reason to get a 4k TV. Most people sit at least 10 feet from a TV, which means anything higher than 1080 is a waste.


 No.2081581

>>2081453

It is, take it you're the cassette cuck from the blu-ray thread.

>>2081478

There's certainly an argument to made about stuff originally broadcast in standard def not being suited well for HD. I remember reading an article by David (((Simon))) about the HD remaster for The Wire, like how when scaled up you can see actors still twitching on the ground long after their character would get shot. I think if a show has film or native high def materials, it should be in at least 1080p. 4K would definitely for most shows prior to the last decade.


 No.2083704

File: a940cc775ac5eb7⋯.jpg (210.25 KB, 420x660, 7:11, a940cc775ac5eb7d0c79847ebe….jpg)

>>2081581

>being that much of an arrogant brainlet that you think your personal opinions are objective facts

VHS has an objectively lower resolution than formats like DVD or Blu-ray, but value judgments come down to personal taste.


 No.2084101

>>2083704

>value judgments come down to personal taste.

<muh relativity

VHS is outdated shit. There is literally no use for it aside from transferring VHS exclusive content to more reliable mediums.


 No.2084536

>>2084101

>what is transferring to VHS several times to get a particular look


 No.2084734

>>2080403

Appreciate the feedback


 No.2084788

>>2084101

>>2083704

A VHS in good condition has better sound quality than any digital format.


 No.2084802

File: ee65744563e01c7⋯.jpg (20.22 KB, 638x547, 638:547, 69840275.jpg)

A Hollycuck movie in 4K is like a wormy shit with a ribbon.


 No.2085535

>>2081581

The wire was a decent HD remaster, they actually put care into.

The Buffy HD remaster on Hulu is trash. You're better off with the DVDs


 No.2085539

>>2084788

<bait

yes I miss the cracks and pops all VHS tapes have…


 No.2085835

>>2084101

<muh relativity

Putting "muh" in front of something isn't an argument, champ.

>VHS is outdated shit.

You could make the same argument for any technology that isn't popular or convenient anymore.

>There is literally no use for it aside from transferring VHS exclusive content to more reliable mediums.

Except to the people who enjoy it for what it is.

>>2084788

How so?


 No.2085868

>>2084788

I literally live for vhs im attached them to my body with glue


 No.2086435

>>2084788

>VHS in good condition has better sound quality than any digital format.

No, it doesn't. A track encoded in DTS-MA sounds way greater than any Hi-Fi track on a VHS tape, which dissipates after prolonged playback. The only digital format a Hi-Fi track can compare to is DVD standard Dolby Digital AC3 audio at 192kbps.

>>2085835

>Except to the people who enjoy it for what it is.

No problem in enjoying the format, but it's a shit medium with zero fidelity comparable to what we have now. A fresh new scan of a film in high definition is objectively better looking than a tape with limited chroma resolution and longevity.


 No.2086451

File: 0f9883759514d0a⋯.png (969.88 KB, 628x594, 314:297, 1324902624033.png)

>>2086435

>it's a shit medium with zero fidelity comparable to what we have now.

>fidelity is everything

>objectively better looking

Here we go again.


 No.2086501

>>2086451

what is that demon bird?


 No.2086513

>>2086435

>objectively better looking

lmao kill yourself


 No.2086974

File: 909f76530ed0724⋯.png (796.1 KB, 921x619, 921:619, actual-header.png)

>>2086501

They're called bearded vultures or lammergeiers. They're neat birbs that eat bones and dye their feathers by rubbing dirt on themselves.




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