/tv/ - Television and Movies

>>276538

they're interactive.

>>276538

yeahh…no they havent in any way shape or form.

there are exceptions but for the most part vidya is still a retarded child that doesnt know how to tie its shoes, much less demonstrate any real artistic merit or intent

I dont think vidya will replace film, but I do think that it will mature greatly and more importantly i think it will become extremely pervasive and influential

alarmists have been warning that popular music, film, "culture" etc has the capacity to severely change a person, well in the case of vidya that just might turn out to be true in a generation or two, if creativity is truly infinite then vidya is the perfect medium

it frightening and exhilirating, unfortunately we are all a little early

Video game storylines are only at the level of b-movies right now.

Video games aren't even comparable to artistic mediums like film. Video games are on par with board games like monopoly. Do you consider a game of scrabble to be art? Art games are always boring shit that's forgotten in a year's time, so it's obvious video games have a different purpose. Once in a while you get a video game like Chess that's really good and should be remembered, but for the most part games are a shit genre for children and autists who like to see their numbers grow on a screen.

>>276550

still better than the Big Bang Theory

>>276657

what a fucking retard, lol

Sorry kid, this is /tv/, as in Television and Movies. If you want to play your little childish videogames, then you need to head on over to /v/.

Film as a medium is so much more patrician, so much more nuanced in its delivery and contextual themes, that I honestly would not expect a shallow prole such as yourself to fully grasp what they bring to the proverbial table.

That's okay though, since we all start at the bottom. Maybe when you grow out of your diaper days and into the adult world of tailored suits and fine Irish whiskey, you'll come to terms with the fact that videogames are no more than a mere child's plaything. Made for children, by children.

>>276797

>tfw could identify all but 4 of them which are probably just meme pictures.

feels good man.

>>276802

either way it's a wasted post.

>>276544

Grocto buocto muocto?

>>276817

Either way, you're a wasted youth.

I play vidya way more than I watch films, but man, vidya has gotten really stagnant in recent years. The modern video game industry is possibly worse than the modern film industry.

There was an award show on only a few hours ago called the IGA.

A "game" called Her Story won a ton of awards, even though it's essentially a movie with a complex menu that you have to use every time a scene ends.

>>277000

stop playing generic dogshit and play the most innovative game of the year, Superhot

>>277040

Wow, this looks 10000000 times better than my favorite film xDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD

>>277041

>le black and white snorefest about old people being old is le better XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD

>>276538

both industries suck dick now. who cares which one is better at it.

>>277065

/thread

>>277065

But video games are not art, they never were, they were never supposed to be. a game doesn't tell a story or have any purpose for existing other than to make profit

>>277074

ever since the subversion of classical art occurred with the enlightenment, slowly and surely, anything and everything can be considered art as long as you come up with some cucked up bullshit about why it's deep.

The low-rent, dog shit, no effort, baseline requirement to call something art or not is based solely on whether or not it "starts a conversation" or "evokes an emotion."

When they call games art, they mean that they have an emotional reaction equal to or greater than they had to their last bowel movement.

Video related

>>276604

Red Dead Redemption is dumb and shit

>>277048

Shakespeare was actually not thought to be a genius in his time, his plays were very much made for the lower class. We only think they're masterpieces nowadays because they're in a very old dialect of English.

>>277074

Not that I disagree with you, but you could say the same thing about music, plays or TV.

>>277082

>implying art ever did anything more than invoke emotions

big surprise, artists romanticizing and nostalgia jizzing all over the place about how art wasn't always pleb tier shit for the lowest common denominator.

>>277040

That looks really shitty.

>>276538

Might have given the medium and possibilties.

But currently we're in for a heavy regression in terms of gmaeplay, story and visual aspects.

>>277149

>Portal 2

>2007

Fuck off retard.

>>277155

I found the image I /v/, I didn't make it. Blame the creator.

>>277149

What anon, did you not like Life is Strange?Are you,perhaps, some kind of misogynistic neckbeard?

>>277143

When the economic crisis will hit all the pretentious indie hipster aspirant movie maker will have to latch on something else.

The only aspect where games are superior to movies could be music.

Soundtracks in movies are always doomed to remain in the background, rarely do they ever stand out. Music in vidya can just have a whole lot more variety compared to its competitors. Not that there's anything wrong with music staying in the background, but it's soundtracks like these which are more fondly remembered.

Also, most good vidya music is composed by glorious Nippon, an advantage Hollywood doesn't have.

>>276538

What aspect, fam?

Interactivity? Fun? Okay I'd give you that, they're what video games were made for.

But film is much more effective at recreating life than video games.

Film offers you a much more abstract, more spiritual experience. An experience that will touch some of the deepest feelings in your soul that can't always be written down by words. Video games, with it's ADHD inducing interactivity that forces you to push your logical thinking and reflexes to their limit, will never hypnotize your soul and make your spirit wander as effectively as films. The technical aspects of gaming will always have a much greater impact on the quality of the game than it's art, while in film the art dictates nearly everything about it. Video game has little beauty, film is a purer form of art than video games.

This is one of the Tarkovsky approved reviews of The Mirror (1975).

>"Thank you for Mirror. My childhood was like that. . . . Only how did you know about it? There was that wind, and the thunderstorm . . . 'Galka, put the cat out,' cried my Grandmother. … It was dark in the room . . . And the paraffin lamp went out, too, and the feeling of waiting for my mother to come back filled my entire soul . . . And how beautifully your film shows the awakening of a child's consciousness, of this thought! . . . And Lord, how true … we really don't know our mothers' faces. And how simple . . . You know, in that dark cinema, looking at a piece of canvas lit up by your talent, I felt for the first time in my life that I was not alone . . ."

Now tell me, was there ever a video game that remotely gives as much emotional impact to the viewer as The Mirror?

>>277181

>Soundtracks in movies are always doomed to remain in the background, rarely do they ever stand out.

You're talking about video games, where music is literally the very last thing players care about when they focus on the gameplay, while in films music is as meaningful as the story, spoken dialogue, and other sound effects. Hell, it's not unusual for music to be the unspoken dialogue of the film, especially in silent movies.

Sure, there are some games where the music actually adds something to the atmosphere, like Silent Hill, STALKER, and…. well I can't think of any anymore. Video games with simple sound effects alone really aren't much less playable than the ones with music fam.

>but it's soundtracks like these which are more fondly remembered

Are you kidding me, that shit sounds like generic anime/russian pop music with a bit less generic percussion. Fondly remembered by gooks and gopnik cucks maybe.

>Also, most good vidya music is composed by glorious Nippon, an advantage Hollywood doesn't have.

Now at this point, you're obviously just baiting. Find me a gookbeat that's as beautiful vid related.

>>277199

>You're talking about video games, where music is literally the very last thing players care about when they focus on the gameplay

Music can do a whole lot to nail the atmosphere or feeling in a game. Heck, one uploaded song of the Undertale soundtrack managed to get over 12 million fucking views after three months of the game's release. While I don't think 12 million people actually played Undertale, that's certainly a recordbreaker when it comes to any vidya music upload on YouTube. You can't say that players don't care much about the music, ask anyone who's played Ys, Ace Combat, Risk of Rain, etc.

>Are you kidding me, that shit sounds like generic anime/russian pop music with a bit less generic percussion. Fondly remembered by gooks and gopnik cucks maybe.

Don't be that guy where you ask me to present an example and then just trash it with non-descriptive buzzwords. Fun thing that you mention Russians, the lyrics in that song are sung in a made up language, actually.

>Now at this point, you're obviously just baiting. Find me a gookbeat that's as beautiful vid related.

I'd probably need another paragraph to explain how embed related is beautifully thematically consistent to DoD3 and how fitting it is for the climax of the game, but I don't want to delve into spoiler territory.

>>277208

gonna sage because multiposting

This song on its own sounds like a dissonant mess at first, however, in the game you play as one guy slaughtering thousands in a world which is about the end, and basically chaos reigns. In a game where you play as a mass-murdering madman, a song like this really helps you settle in such a mindset.

>>277209

Forgot embed, shit

>>277199

Kimera II plays on all final stages of G-Darius. And goddamn if it isn't beautiful. It sums up everything in Darius. The aquatic nature of the Thiima, that climactic feeling, and the stages themselves. Ogura (the composer of this song) himself believes all music should be part of a visual experience, so you ought to look up a video of G-Darius being played in Stage Nu or Stage Omikron, which I believe fit the best with this song. Didn't embed those because those have SFX played all over them. Seriously, you wouldn't hear this shit anywhere else but a video game. I personally uploaded more Zuntata soundtracks (the team behind the Darius soundtracks), unfortunately Taito is run by jews and DMCA any Darius OST upload (aside from this one for some reason).

>>277212

Anyone who's played Diablo will remember this song. Much like game, listening to the song is like a journey.

>>276782

It's in its infancy, and games are harder to make.

In a movie you have a progression from point A to point B, so it's easy to convey the message you want. In a game, you can have any possible journey between those points, and point C and D and such, and if you want your nuanced message and themes to drive home, you need more subtle and sophisticated game-making techniques.

>>277110

Well, there used to be a time where you needed technical skill to invoke emotions. I know that it'd take me a long time to draw like da vinci or some other artist.

>>277199

>where music is literally the very last thing players care about when they focus on the gameplay

Go on /v/ and ask what makes a game great.

Loads of people, maybe more than the average AAA player, but still, will tell you it's the sound and music. And it's because it is. A really mediocre game can be heightened by music and sound alone.

Of course, if you're talking about "when they focus on gameplay", well yeah, if they're focusing on gameplay.

But if you're playing a game and there is no music you'll notice something lacking.

>>277220

Has anyone ever said the only redeeming thing about a movie would be the music?

This can certainly be the case for games, like with Silver Surfer for the NES. The fact that someone could pull off sounds like these 30 year-old hardware is already noteworthy by itself, but the composition itself is golden as well. A lot of trickery was involved to make it sound like the music had more channels playing than it was technically possible. Older systems like the NES, C64 and Amiga are a goldmine for great music.

https://8ch.net/mu/res/65099.html

The NeoTokyo soundtrack is so underutilized in the game, it is almost criminal. It deserved better than to be in a multiplayer mod only.

>>277228

I see that you at least know some of them.

>>277232

Today I will remind them.

The NeoTokyo soundtrack is so underutilized in the game, it is almost criminal. It deserved better than to be in a multiplayer mod only.

>>277228

I see that you at least know some of them.

>>277232

Today I will remind them.

>>276538

Films are art while games aren't

:^)

>>277205

>Music can do a whole lot to nail the atmosphere or feeling in a game.

Yes it can, but my point is it doesn't tell a story as effectively as a film score does.

>Heck, one uploaded song of the Undertale soundtrack managed to get over 12 million fucking views after three months of the game's release.

Undertumblr's got some decently composed music, there are a few nice ideas there, but the instrumentation and arrangements are pretty atrocious. People like it because it's really catchy and easy to follow. 8-bit chiptune music sounds like absolute shit, but video games could somehow popularize it. The plebes liking anything don't always mean anything, video game music is cancer.

>12 million

Yeah, and kanye nigger and lil wayne got 400 million views. Lil Wayne is a genius though, so fine by me. 6 Foot 7 Foot, the music and the music video, is literally the spirit of Nolan in musical form.

>Don't be that guy where you ask me to present an example and then just trash it with non-descriptive buzzwords. Fun thing that you mention Russians, the lyrics in that song are sung in a made up language, actually.

It's not about the language, it does sound like electro house music. Russian youth who drive GAZ sebring with bitches in passenger seat while drunk love to listen to those kinda tune.

Now that soundtrack is much better than the one you posted before, at least before the electronic drum kicks in and the vocalist gets really annoying, but still better even though they ruined the song. I like the traditional folk sounds in there.

>>277208

>It's a little dishonest to dismiss all Japanese-made music as 'gookshit'.

I don't call them gookshit, I call them gookbeat.

>pic related

I started with the ones at the very bottom. Go Sato doesn't sound that impressive or unique, it's just drum n' bass esque percussion with jazz chords and not very well thought note progression. The same can be said for '92 Recca or whatever that was, though a bit different. High tempo and obscure time sig don't make a great music.

Compare with what Keith Emerson did with a much simpler drumline and 4/4 signature. The note progression is well thought. Well, the main notes were adopted from Sibelius, but that's not the point.

>>276550

I enjoyed the first one, but a lot of it was Joss Wedon-tier snarky shit+SJW yaoi fangirlism. Clearly, that's only gotten worse.

>>277241

>It's not about the language, it does sound like electro house music.

I'm not really sure how NieR sounds like electro house to you, though, since the soundtrack is more suitable for a game in a fantasy setting.

>Go Sato doesn't sound that impressive or unique, it's just drum n' bass esque percussion with jazz chords and not very well thought note progression

Did you listen to Raiden Fighters or Raiden? Raiden Fighters is all high speed raw industrial techno, while Raiden is more about melodic rock (embed related).

Although honestly, like with most tier lists, they are rather rated on obscurity rather than actual quality, but I do like most of those which are listed.

>>277225

>harder to make

Math is hard too, but it's lifeless.

>In a movie you have a progression from point A to point B, so it's easy to convey the message you want.

Do you watch nothing but action flicks?

>Loads of people, maybe more than the average AAA player, but still, will tell you it's the sound and music.

It's still a glorified whack a mole with complimentary audiovisual aesthetics. Gameplay is the point, everything else is secondary or even just bonus features.

>But if you're playing a game and there is no music you'll notice something lacking.

Yeah, the DRM is lacking because I play the ripped version of that shit downloaded straight from cuckass torrent. I downloaded and played Vice City on PC without radio music when I was 12, played it again a few years later with music and it made almost no goddamn difference.

>>277247

>since the soundtrack is more suitable for a game in a fantasy setting

Pseudo european fantasy setting as defined by japs, maybe. Daggerfall did it better.

>high speed raw industrial

See? That's what I hate about /v/. It's all about awesome and no beauty. That song is still in no way comparable to Riz Ortolani.

>are rather rated on obscurity rather than actual quality

Yes, I notice.

>>277268

>See? That's what I hate about /v/. It's all about awesome and no beauty. That song is still in no way comparable to Riz Ortolani.

I don't know man, does it have to be beautiful?

Would you criticize a song for something it isn't, or on what it sets out to do and how well it succeeds at it? Not all games need a story to be good, and not all stories need drama to be good either.

it's lazy and petulant to claim something like "this entire medium is no good and can't be Art".

good video games are a minority just like good movies, AAA shit gets the budget and the hype, it's no different from the Hollywood system, and it's just a simple result of capitalism, nothing but cause and effect. it's how our world is right now.

>>277082

>all modern art is bad because new things are bad and different LMAO

>i was born in 1989, true eighties kid XD

anything that makes a genuine philosophical statement is Art, otherwise it's just a product; your subjective fee-fees don't enter into the equation. you're just going to have to deal with it.

this thread is bad and we should feel bad.

>>277276

>does it have to be beautiful

Of course, an art needs to be beautiful, but beautiful doesn't always mean pretty, it's just something that represents your spiritual soul, your vision as a creator. Beauty comes when you're truly seeking for harmony instead of trusting solely on memes.

Now I'm seeing this autistically high tempo and electronic drumming meme in japanese video game music. It's okay when done once or twice, but I'm hearing it from nearly every game of this genre. It diverts people's attention away from the beauty of the musician's vision, if he ever thought of any.

>Would you criticize a song for something it isn't, or on what it sets out to do and how well it succeeds at it?

The second one of course, but to do well it has to bear some beauty too.

>Not all games need a story to be good, and not all stories need drama to be good either.

It's all up to you, just trust your artistic vision and look for harmony. Of course your vision has it's limit and there has to be a point where you has to adopt a few parts of other artistic visions, but do your best to push it to the limit.

>>277293

>it's lazy and petulant to claim something like "this entire medium is no good and can't be Art".

>anything that makes a genuine philosophical statement is Art

Video game and film both have a different purpose and focus, but it's safe to say that film is a better medium for art because of it's ability to communicate more meta language to the audience than video games. The natural purpose of video game is to deliver excitement, therefore if you want it to make it a better platform for meta language, it will stray away from what it was intended to be.

>>277304

>The natural purpose of video game is to deliver excitement

I disagree. I'd argue that it is to deliver immersion. When it's on the player to advance the narrative, they become more invested in what's going on. I'd argue that this is true even for walking simulators.

>>277295

>instead of trusting solely on memes

I'm not sure how this goes in practice, since the Raiden Fighters series was developed circa 1996-1998. A SHMUP final boss being a 300 BPM drum 'n bass track was only really popularized in Manabu Namiki's Dodonpachi Daioujou, (which he first did in Eruptor for Battle Garegga in 1997) which was released in 2001 somewhere.

>Now I'm seeing this autistically high tempo and electronic drumming meme in japanese video game music. It's okay when done once or twice, but I'm hearing it from nearly every game of this genre.

SHMUPs are really fast-paced games, so naturally the music matches that. Although high-intensity drumming tracks are mostly something reserved for the final boss to match the intensity of 90% of the screen being covered in bullets as you can see in vid related. The stage themes (in most SHMUPs) don't have the 'drumming meme' as you describe it.

Coincidentally, most SHMUPs with a 300BPM DnB track for the true final boss fight are mostly composed by the aforementioned Dodonpachi-series composer Manabu Namiki, which has kind of become tradition for the Dodonpachi series. Most SHMUPs I can think of (Radiant Silvergun, Ikaruga, Touhou, Raiden (mainline), Darius, RayForce, Einhänder, R-Type, Gradius, RefleX, Kamui, ALLTYNEX Second, etc.) don't really have the drumming meme you speak of. I'm not sure whether you are just judging all Japanese video game music on some few popular SHMUP tracks, because there is great variety to be found within that genre. Manabu Namiki went on to compose from the hard military sci-fi Dodonpachi series to the more 'cutesy happy-go-lucky' Mushihimesama series and Espgaluda 2, and the gothic halloween styled Deathsmiles series.

If you want something completely original and 'special' when it comes to SHMUP music, then I suggest you check out the Darius series. Most stages in Darius are actually designed with the music in mind. Nothing feels better when sound, gameplay, and visuals all come together in unity. G-Darius is considered the best in the series for this reason.

>>277306

>it is to deliver immersion

Eh.. close but not really the main purpose.

>When it's on the player to advance the narrative, they become more invested in what's going on.

Well, most video games these days have found a successful way in combining immersion and excitement, but that doesn't mean that immersion is still the main focus in video games, and the immersion in video game is mostly used to deliver excitement.

>I'd argue that this is true even for walking simulators.

Walking simulators are those games that have strayed so far away from the main purpose of the medium. That's why most have failed, but Tetris, a game that has no immersion at all, is still timeless.

>>277308

G-Darius in comparison

>>277308

>I'm not sure how this goes in practice, since the Raiden Fighters series was developed circa 1996-1998.

I guess that somehow gives him a pass, then…

>>277313

Still not enjoying it fam. Maybe could be better if he'd just put more attention to his vision, or just try not to give people headache. Replace it with this vangelis track, it'd do the job better.

>>277199

I loved the dark souls soundtrack, really sets the tone for bossfights. This one plays during the final bossfight where you find the great lord gwyn is now a broken old husk of his former self.

>>277181

>The only aspect where games are superior to movies could be music.

This. Too bad most of it out there nowadays is trying too hard to be a generic Hollywood score or "quirky" (e.g., pseudo-chip music that relies on le retro timbre and novelty value rather than compositional aspects like tuneful melodies, which were what made chip music good in the first place).

>>277318

>Still not enjoying it fam. Maybe could be better if he'd just put more attention to his vision

You sure? I always imagined Ogura as someone with vision, you can see him talk about it in this interview (http://shmuplations.com/zuntatadarius/).

>or just try not to give people headache

The poor sound quality in that video doesn't really help, but Kimera II is more pleasing to the eardrums than Adam, I feel.

>Replace it with this vangelis track, it'd do the job better.

Stage Nu has that whole End of Evagelion vibe around it. I'm not sure if this song would fit that. I'm not sure if it would fit Darius at all.

>>277327

It's amazing how overrepresented the Orchestra Music videogame concert was with Western games, and several of those with CoD, even the fucking cover was a soldier with an instrument.

Now, if it were actually great music like so many western games with good music, great, but they're generic, ``epic`` soundtracks, which is some uninspired, bland shit with an orchestra.

The Lords of Shadow composer was a cunt, too. He said that Yoko Shinomura's music was weak and for sissies, and that he'd do something better. I still see people doing Vampire Killer or Bloody Tears cover. I don't see many doing LoS covers.

>>277328

I've lost my patience, I don't know what to say anymore. Sorry to say this, but the kind of music you like are all autistic and gay, they're garbage pop art. Do you watch nothing but anime? Just go back to /v/, okay buddy?

>>277477

>shitting on cod

Dude, that's one of the video game scores that I truly like. It sounds like Prokofiev or some other late Romantic and early 20th century Modernist composers. Really fits the WW2 setting.

>He said that Yoko Shinomura's music was weak and for sissies

He's right though. He has some talent, but he uses it for mostly for weeb trash.

>>277477

Yeah, there are definitely quality orchestral-style soundtracks out there, but everyone focuses on the boring ones just because they're from popular titles. I'd love to hear the music from the first two WarCraft games done with a real orchestra, but people would rather focus on trash like World of WarCraft instead.

Overall, though, I think video game music tend to suffer when it's unmoored from technical limitations. As wanky as it was, I'd much rather listen to Tim Follin's ZX Spectrum music than something like the Halo soundtrack.

>>277643

>not just listening to the Medal of Honor: Underground soundtrack instead

>>277660

>not just listening to the Medal of Honor: Underground soundtrack instead

Nah, it's inferior.

>listening to video game score

That's pretty sad imo. None of them is truly good, just decent at times.

>>277671

>Nah, it's inferior.

Not at all, if that forgettable track you posted is any indication of the rest of Call of Duty's music. It's faux-cinematic music that actually pulls it off.

>That's pretty sad imo. None of them is truly good, just decent at times

Then you're missing out on some of the greatest instrumental music of the past few decades.

>>277680

>forgettable

But it has better arrangement than that MoH soundtrack imo. Both are written by the same guy, so no use for fighting anyway.

>Then you're missing out on some of the greatest instrumental music of the past few decades.

Art is timeless, you're wasting your time if you prioritize time over quality. Just listen to Prokofiev's War and Peace or Schytian Suite if you like that kind of music, because they're superior in every way.

can you guys like, go post about video games on the video game board? no offense but your filth and stupid opinions make me cringe

>>277708

>But it has better arrangement than that MoH soundtrack imo. Both are written by the same guy, so no use for fighting anyway.

But it lacks the melodicism.

>Just listen to Prokofiev's War and Peace or Schytian Suite if you like that kind of music, because they're superior in every way.

I've listened to the Scythian Suite and can't remember any of it. I'd much rather listen to Alexander Nevsky, which is god tier. I recall Lieutenant Kije being pretty decent.

I've already listened to a bunch of other classical music, and it's too focused on theoretical considerations and adhering to specific forms rather than just creating something that sounds pleasing. This too often ends up leaving it sounding stilted and lifeless. There are exceptions in the Romantic era and 20th century music (Beethoven's 6th, Mahler's 1st, Kalinnikov's 1st, a bunch of Debussy's stuff, Carmina Burana, Brahms' 3rd, etc.). It's too much of a time sink for me to spend so much time digging through a composer's work just to find some music that appeals to me.

I'd much rather take the middle ground of where video game music lies (i.e., talented composers writing popular or "low-brow" music), though this is more of a matter of degrees than a real dichotomy as even "art music" composers have worked with popular or folk-oriented styles. It's not much of a stretch to go from Koji Kondo to Scott Joplin to Johann Strauss II to Beethoven.

>>277733

>But it lacks the melodicism.

Most musicians don't expect melodicism on post romantic modernist composition though.

>I've listened to the Scythian Suite and can't remember any of it.

Not even The Evil God Dances With Evil Spirits piece? You need to listen more than once, and study the structure if possible if you really want to get the whole thing.

>I'd much rather listen to Alexander Nevsky

Film scores are made for easier listen.

>I've already listened to a bunch of other classical music, and it's too focused on theoretical considerations and adhering to specific forms rather than just creating something that sounds pleasing. This too often ends up leaving it sounding stilted and lifeless.

Yes, I know that. Professional musicians often care more about innovative rhythm and structures than beautiful notes.

If you want melody, you have to try looking at the Baroque era and listen to Handel. He, unlike Bach from the same era who only cared about making complex fugues and counterpoints (he was REALLY good at that though, I admit it), focused on making dramatic note progression and beautiful harmonies. Handel's music is literally the most beautiful music I've ever listened to, but most professional musicians like Bach much more than Handel because he revolutionized musical structures with his complex fugues. I personally think that Handel is the best musician ever, but only a few would agree with my opinion, it's because they have that Age of Enlightenment way of thinking that value science higher than spiritual beauty. It's the same reason why christianity is sinking while science is developing tenfold, humans forgot the purpose of their life.

>I'd much rather take the middle ground of where video game music lies (i.e., talented composers writing popular or "low-brow" music)

Well you're wasting your time with video game music, because video game composers aren't that talented to begin with. Try Rick Wakeman, regarding melodicism he's the Handel of symphonic prog rock music, but his music is so eclectic in term of genre and quality. Listen to his 70's solo albums, then listen to his 80's stuff. That's a whole new level of low brow. Vid related is just to show how off eclectic he is, just in one song. It's baroque music meets space rock and wah keyboard.

>>277965

>Most musicians don't expect melodicism on post romantic modernist composition though.

That's one of the problems with music today, despite there being some good underground stuff out there.

>Not even The Evil God Dances With Evil Spirits piece? You need to listen more than once, and study the structure if possible if you really want to get the whole thing.

I did listen to it several times, but I don't recall any of it at all

>Film scores are made for easier listen

Very few reach that level of quality though, especially nowadays.

>If you want melody, you have to try looking at the Baroque era and listen to Handel. He, unlike Bach from the same era who only cared about making complex fugues and counterpoints (he was REALLY good at that though, I admit it), focused on making dramatic note progression and beautiful harmonies. Handel's music is literally the most beautiful music I've ever listened to, but most professional musicians like Bach much more than Handel because he revolutionized musical structures with his complex fugues. I personally think that Handel is the best musician ever, but only a few would agree with my opinion, it's because they have that Age of Enlightenment way of thinking that value science higher than spiritual beauty. It's the same reason why christianity is sinking while science is developing tenfold, humans forgot the purpose of their life.

I've heard a few chunks of Handel a while back and surprisingly liked what I heard. I was expecting a self-indulgent counterpoint fest like Bach's music tends to be, but I wouldn't mind hearing more of Handel. He's one of the few pre-Romantic composers I'd ever be in the mood to listen to.

>Well you're wasting your time with video game music, because video game composers aren't that talented to begin with.

Not so much anymore, but they used to be top tier popular music composers. The limitations of the hardware really pushed the composers into writing fantastic pop melodies that blows away the stuff from actual pop musicians, especially when the harbor bombers were behind the soundtracks (probably due to traditional Eastern music being based more on melody than harmony).

Video related, a talented ragtime musician reinterpreting a pretty simple tune from Animal Crossing. He's not familiar with the game itself, either.

"Try Rick Wakeman, regarding melodicism he's the Handel of symphonic prog rock music, but his music is so eclectic in term of genre and quality. Listen to his 70's solo albums, then listen to his 80's stuff. That's a whole new level of low brow. Vid related is just to show how off eclectic he is, just in one song. It's baroque music meets space rock and wah keyboard."

I'm not interested in prog (Discipline by King Crimson and a few other albums aside) or '70s-style rock and don't really like what I'm hearing. Was his '80s sound more streamlined?

>>278049

>never watched kino

Go back to /v/ with your flicks fam.

>>278076

>I did listen to it several times, but I don't recall any of it at all

Find it at around 6 minute mark. A really memorable movement. It's also called The Evil God and The Dance of Pagan Monsters.

>Was his '80s sound more streamlined?

Eh, you decide. Some of them like this one sound like video game music. I personally think they're fun to listen to, but garbage for his standard.

>>278076

And I don't get your fascination with ragtime. It's just pop music on piano.

>>276544

I may not like it, but he's right.

>>277514

Well it is a vidya thread. It's only to be expected when you summon /v/.

>>277514

It's not even the most autistic thread on the board right now.

>>278310

>Find it at around 6 minute mark. A really memorable movement. It's also called The Evil God and The Dance of Pagan Monsters.

Okay, after listening to it again I can't say I'm much of a fan. It actually just sounds like stereotypical movie music to me, ironically much more than Alexander Nevsky.

>Eh, you decide. Some of them like this one sound like video game music. I personally think they're fun to listen to, but garbage for his standard.

It does sounds more straightforward to me, but also cheesy (not necessarily a bad thing). I might have to give this one a listen some time.

>>278315

It's catchy, unpretentious music with strong melody lines, swinging rhythms, and infectious energy. It's got everything pop music should have.

>>276538

Obviously because it's more flexible since you "control" the damn thing.

>>278398

>sounds like stereotypical movie music to me

Not to me, I prefer it to Alexander Nevsky but whatever.

>It's catchy, unpretentious music with strong melody lines, swinging rhythms, and infectious energy. It's got everything pop music should have.

I'd rather listen to blues fam. Ragtime is pretty cringeworthy to me, sounds like something reddit would listen to.

>>278617

>tark

>2deep

That's kubrick and nolan. Andrei's kinos are more meditative and mystic than 2deep, they're essentially poems.

>vanishing point

>kino

It's a cool movie though, but Shadows in an Empty Room worked better as an essential 70's muscle car flick. It's a very obscure and underrated flick with a great car chase scene that would give Bullitt a run for it's money and other cheesy but remarkable stuff.

>>278640

>I'd rather listen to blues fam.

I really can't stand most blues made after WWII. Rock and roll ended up taking the best aspects and beefng it up. Incidentally, a lot of the early blues musicians were drawing on stuff like ragtime, among other things.

>Ragtime is pretty cringeworthy to me, sounds like something reddit would listen to.

I actually get what you mean by the Reddit remark, but the ones I see who stumble across ragtime don't seem to take that much of an interest in it unless it's a well-known tune or adapted from a pop culture piece they're already familiar with. You'll occasionally see them wandering into video comment sections making inane comments like "sounds just like a western saloon/silent movie XDDD ^.^," but they don't seem to really care much about it other than thinking it'll give them le classy gentleman cred (as if it wasn't considered lower class music in its day).

>>278673

>meditation is not the primary way of knowing the world

Humans are rational beings that are capable of metaphysical thoughts. Human's mind can't grow up well without having faith on metaphysical ideas, because unlike robots humans will question the reason behind every actions and their very existence. Now metaphysics, since they don't have scientific basis, can be very misleading. Meditation is good for finding the true faith that you can believe in.

>>278861

>I really can't stand most blues made after WWII

Prog blues are good stuff. They're better than rock and roll.

>>279464

Showing someone's history is a more accessible way of presenting what he thinks. Without it, you get characters like Rublev, whose faith is important in the film, but whose words tell little of how he came to believe and to be a painter.

You're the same autist that post this Shit on /mu/ aren't you. Go back to your containment board you autistic faggot. >>/v/

>>279482

Read his book, Sculpting in Time, Tarkovsky didn't want to be too preachy or too bound on traditional narratives, books and documentaries are a much better medium for those. He just wanted to create and show the audience a life in audiovisual form. It will affect the audience's minds naturally.

Will there ever be a good movie based on a video game?

>>280695

It was okay.

>>277199

>Now tell me, was there ever a video game that remotely gives as much emotional impact to the viewer as The Mirror?

>>277228

>Yes, Camel, Van der Graaf Generator, etc. prog bands not on the list

Either your taste is total shit or you've barely listened to any prog music, which is unlikely considering how many other bands your have on there. Kys tbqfh fam

>>280752

who tf enjoys prog? I did list the most relevant member of Yes though.

>>280756

>Not enjoying prog

Lad, you had KC, Genesis, Gentle Giant, Jethro Tull, ELP, and Rush in that list and you're telling me you don't enjoy prog? At any rate, Wakeman is amazing, of course, but so are Squire, Howe, Anderson, it's best when they're all playing together. IMO Close to the Edge is one of, if not _the_ greatest albums of all time.

>>280794

I don't listen to any of those tbh. I just grabbed a list some guy on halfjp posted ages ago, added my favorites and scrambled most of the thing.

Reminder this faggot made the same thread on /mu/ literally 2 and a half hours later

>>>/mu/65099

Did he shit this bait anywhere else?