No.282336
ITT plot-holes with no excuses
> Matrix
> Cypher leaves the real world to talk with the Agent without an operator
No.282339
I always figured that the Agents got him in somehow.
No.282340
maybe he set up a timer to unplug him when it was time
No.282346
> X-Men 2
> mystique injects LIQUID METAL into a guy's CIRCULATORY SYSTEM
> nothing happens with him
Singer, no
No.282349
Does he need an operator? He could just as easily set a timer in the program for his chair and wait.
No.282351
>>282346
well dosent metal poisoning take a while?
No.282370
>>282336
>plot holes with no excuses
>not even a plot hole
great thread
No.282410
No.282563
>>282410
Mr White of course
No.282571
>>282351
He would probably immediately have a stroke or other embolism
No.283161
>>282351
Does MOLTEN LIQUID METAL kill a man?
No.283164
>>282370
How is it not a plot hole?
No.283243
>Larry Wachowski
>10 years later Lana Wachowski
No.283350
>the pro
>no actual sex scene
No.283380
>>283161
It will be extrenely painful.
No.283383
>>283243
>Andy Wachowski
>20 years later 'Lilly' Wachowski
No.283390
>>283380
What if it is a big guy ?
No.283624
If Buzz genuinely believed that he was a Space Ranger, why did he always freeze up like a toy in Andy's presence?
No.283731
>>283164
>assuming people can only enter in the matrix via operators in a world dominated by technologically advanced machines
it's not really that difficult to figure it out.
No.283740
>>283624
Could be dismissed as a "when in Rome" kind of situation.
No.283746
>>283731
This.
Operators know the system in and out, they can probably set some shit up to go in by themselves for a set amount of time. It's only the normies like Trinity, Morpheus and Neo that don't know shit about the system and need help.
No.283753
>>283746
i was actually saying the machines probably hooked Cypher up somehow since they obviously knew he wanted to betray the crew or they wouldn't have had an agent meet him, but your theory is just as plausible.
operators always seemed like more of a way to bypass the system as part of their purpose was to fuck about in the matrix undetected and as an intelligence source since they could read the code or whatever and warn people. they never seemed like a necessity outside of just general safety.
No.283759
No.283763
>>283753
oh and the hacking shit for weapons, but cypher wouldn't have needed it.
No.283773
>>283624
Before the second and third films, I actually just figured that none of it was happening, and that it was just supposed to be what a child might imagine their toys doing when they were gone. Even before Toy Story when I was a kid, I used to imagine my toys coming to life when I wasn't in my room.
No.283789
The biggest plot hole in the Matrix is the entire plot of the movie itself.
It makes no sense to use humans as batteries. Any amount of food (or whatever calories) you could give to a human to convert into energy for you to harvest, you'd get much more energy just burning that food. The second law of thermodynamics is important.
That's not even taking into consideration that you'd have to first expend the energy necessary to produce the nutrients to feed to the humans in the first place. It would probably all be vegetable-based, and would therefore involve complex harvesting, irrigation, etc. It would be far more efficient and yield far more energy to simply use solar energy panels in the first place than to use a plant-human chain as a complex circuit of solar energy collection (using plants to absorb energy and passing it to humans so they expend it as heat which is then harvested for energy), and the energy expended to host The Matrix itself.
And before you say "durr, you learn about the laws of thermodynamics inside the Matrix, therefore they aren't real", no, fuck you, that's retarded. "Everything you know is wrong, even all the facts of reality themselves" is the absolute worst excuse for a film to not have any internal consistency. And any universe which didn't obey the laws of thermodynamics wouldn't physically behave any way the matrix does in the first place.
tl;dr: The Matrix sucks, and the entire plot is its own plot hole, being complete nonsense.
No.283795
>>283789
Doing a little bit of reading, I found that the Matrix was originally supposed to be a tool for the machines to use humans as processing units, not for energy, which made way more sense.
It was a case of the executives thinking that the audiences were too stupid to grasp the concept of using most of the brain as a CPU while the conscious portion of it dreams, and forced them to change it to energy.
I'd say that's an understandable hole given that it wasn't originally written in.
No.283797
>>283746
>implying trinity, neo and morpheus are normalfags and not redditfags
>mouse was the chan poster
>switch and apoc were the newgrounds/ebaumsworld faggots
>tank and dozer are worldstar
>>283789
they're robots you dumbass, they can't process food the way a human does.
No.283805
>>283789
>solar panels
Did you forget the part shown in every movie where Earth is a dead world with toxic clouds that prevent sunlight from reaching the surface?
I still agree with you about humans being a poor source of energy though.
A much bigger plot hole-or maybe something I was too pleb to understand was how Neo's powers manifested themselves in the real world in Revolutions. What's the explanation for that?
No.283810
>>283797
>they're robots you dumbass, they can't process food the way a human does.
That's not the point. The point is that they have to use substantial amounts of energy to produce the food in the first place. They'd have to use way more energy to make the food than they'd ever possibly be able to harvest from the human body processing the food.
There isn't plant life growing naturally on the machines' Earth, so they'd have to produce it and harvest it themselves, and that's a hell of a lot of energy investment for no outcome. It's a cycle that the plot says is to use humans as "batteries", but in real life would just burn energy for no gain.
Imagine if you had two rechargeable batteries. One is empty and the other is full. You use the full one to charge the empty one, which empties the full one. You then swap them and use the now-full one to charge the now-empty one. You hope to use this process to end up with both batteries charged fully.
What you would end up with, in the long run, is two empty batteries, because the power would be expended as heat.
This is what the humans are. The machines have a closed system with no energy input, and they're cycling energy around the system with the intention of getting usable energy output, which is not possible. You'd have to have a closed system that can somehow magically make energy from nothing. In the real world, all of our energy comes from the sun (or in rare cases, the center of the earth).
>>283805
> Did you forget the part shown in every movie where Earth is a dead world with toxic clouds that prevent sunlight from reaching the surface?
I rewrote my post a few times and lost the part where I meant to say "Even if there was sunlight", because without sunlight, the production of the plants would involve the machines using their own artificial light which is far more energy output. I was going to go on and sarcastically compare the system without the sunlight to a system where the machines get energy by powering large lamps and using solar panels to produce energy (which is what the system in the movie implies, but where the plants and humans are the solar panels, so it's not outwardly retarded-looking), but forgot.
No.283814
>>282336
True, never thought of that. It doesn't make sense because in The Animatrix one of the girls plugs in but since there is no operator to take her out she dies.
Same with Trinity where she almost gets hit by the truck. If they can just plug in and out with no operator then it changes the whole function of the matrix.
No.283853
She let herself be fucked by a nigger yet lived to old age.
No.283862
>>282336
>wanted to be a rich superstar and have his memories wiped
I'll never understand why he would want his memories wiped. Wouldn't you want to keep the memories of how horrible and shit reality is so you would be able to enjoy your new life better?
No.283894
>>282336
that always puzzled me even when i watched it the first time
No.283904
>>283862
If you knew it wasn't real, you were really floating in a tank being used as a Duracell, and your "family" and friends could be used as meat puppet at any time then it might take the joy out of things eventually. Ignorance is bliss.
No.283912
Bruce Wayne just forgets his knees are permanetly crippled.
No.283932
>>283789
I think it's somewhat implied in the 2nd movie that they also keep the humans alive for ethical reasons rather than just to harvest them for energy, hence why The Matrix exists as a shared mental space for the humans rather than just keeping them braindead.
Still a shitty source of energy, but honestly it's not what the film's about and it never took me out of it once.
>>283862
>>283904
Pretty much. There's a difference between "Knowing how bad it can be" and "Knowing that reality doesn't exist." I'd assume that the machines could give him any memories he wanted, it's just code that they add in and make everything happen retroactively, so they could make a rough childhood or something a reality (in the matrix) that he never lived through, but exists in the minds of him and everyone else, so he appreciates his amazing life more.
No.283940
>>283814
>Same with Trinity where she almost gets hit by the truck. If they can just plug in and out with no operator then it changes the whole function of the matrix.
if Trinity had a mission where she had to go hang out in a restaurant 20 feet from a payphone and eat a steak, maybe. That's what Cypher's doing. You just assume that he set his program up so he could log himself out that way or whatever.
No.283942
How did he eat and breathe?
science facts only, please.
No.283952
>>283932
>2nd movie
there is no such thing, anon :^)
No.283963
>>283789
Humans were supposed to be a wetware network for the machines to live in. Not a power source. This was supposed to keep with the neo-platonic and gnostic imagery (the world an illusion, machine programs being evil spirits living inside humans and have access to them until they "break free").
But apparently this was way too confusing for viewers so they made humans batteries and just kept going.
No.283968
>>283963
>the neo-platonic and gnostic imagery (the world an illusion, machine programs being evil spirits living inside humans and have access to them until they "break free").
Thank fuck they didn't run with that shit.
No.283972
>Why didn't they just fly the eagles to Mordor?
No.283974
>>283904
>>283932
Alright that makes sense.
No.283988
>>283963
In that case, why not just keep the brains in jars instead of keeping the entire body?
No.284093
>>283805
>A much bigger plot hole-or maybe something I was too pleb to understand was how Neo's powers manifested themselves in the real world in Revolutions. What's the explanation for that?
That's really the part where things went off the rails for me. I had no trouble suspending my disbelief until then, but that was too much.
No.284096
>>283810
>or in rare cases, the center of the earth
I think that's plausible. Still pretty silly to use humans as batteries of course. Hey, Zion was really far underground wasn't it? Maybe that's where they get their power, and maybe they used it to provide lighting to grow their food.
No.284099
>>283942
It's just a show, you should really just relax.
No.284112
If she never flew in her entire life, how could she outmaneuver trained hunter-killer pilots in a banged up old freighter that had been sitting on a desert for a long-ass time?
No.284117
No.284130
>Indestructible, omnipresent, omniscient entity with the power to do virtually anything that can be imagined, including see the future and create life.
>Doesn't do anything except blow people up
No.284131
>>284112
The Force
>>284130
>Implying you wouldn't
Don't forget he also goes after jailbait
No.284145
>>284112
Same reason why Anakin was able to beat seasoned podracers despite never successfully completing the race-he used the force.
No.284205
No.284228
>>284145
The force only gave him an edge against the other pilots, he had still already learned how to pilot a podracer beforehand.
>>284130
The story involves as a plot point him growing away from petty things just like that. he isn't omniscient or omnipresent, and he still has finite knowledge but infinite capability to learn.
No.284248
>>283988
Wouldn't that be too dangerous/difficult?
No.284276
>>282346
I just watched the scene where they did it, but not the extraction scene. If she just shot a lump of it into some empty part of his body it would've been cool but noticeable.
>>282336
Actually, even if he were able to get the needle into his spine by himself and the agents made the call, the robots would probably have a hard trace to their actual fucking ship.
Did they ever explain how the ship actually connected to the matrix? In the containment things they are all hard wired in, hence the plugs. Then the rebels hard wire into the ships computer which dials in wirelessly?
>>283805
The only thing it could mean was their real world was actually another matrix and that was his there is no spoon moment.
I think it would actually explain why there are AI constructs within the Matrix itself.
>>282336
I think Heroes had some plotholes, but I can't remember.
Was that Citizen Kane one real?
Oh. There were these cartoons in middle school. Batman Beyond, Project Zeta, and Static Shock. Project Zeta made cameos in both when it debuted., but Static Shock was old in Batman Beyond.
Now this robot could have been running for 40+ years (strange how they never mentioned this in it's own show) it's origin story was in Batman Beyond.
No.284688
No.284699
>>283795
Oh fuck that, they made it they made their shitty nonsensical bed, they can lie in it.
No.284702
>>283814
The only girl in the animatrix that dies in the matrix died because the ship she was on was destroyed. Her physical body was removed while her mind was still plugged in.
Also, Trinity calls Tank for an exit before leaving the building, and it takes not even like 3 seconds for them to dissolve. Plus, she does her hand thing, so she must have some kind of shielding ability.
No.284704
No.284706
>>284093
They could use the mindfuck "zion is a second layer of the matrix, used in humans who can't adapt to the first layer"
The third movie could be about Neo being the first and truly only one human being outside the matrix, but the wachowski trannies fuck it up with muh messiah.
No.284710
>>284099
Dubs of the Donald Bellisario's Maxim
No.284712
>>282351
Yeah, but not if it's injected directly into you.
No.284714
>>284112
Because Mary Sue.
No.284716
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>>284130
Not omnipresent
Not omniscient (but has a pretty fucking good understanding of physics 101)
Apathetic
In the end fucks off to another universe to do whatever (observe alien life, maybe even create his own)
No.284722
>>283972
Half assed excuse here but if they used it people wouldn't bitch nearly as much. Maybe Sauron put up some kind of forcefield around Mordor so the eagles couldn't get in until the ring was destroyed. Some shit like that.
No.284723
>>284722
Well, then again, the eagles could have just flown them outside mordor so they didn't have to fucking walk all that way. So fuck my excuse.
No.284732
>>284276
They talk about broadcast depth so wireless.
Also he wouldn't want to destroy the ship because Smith wouldn't be able to get what he wanted.
No.284785
>>283972
then fucking insert the little hairy midget fucks at an LZ near mordor, you arrogant old faggot, like seriously maybe someone that isnt senile and smoking sherm all day needs to plan this op, I question the old mans strategic prowess.
gandalf raping day when
No.284794
Imhotep was buried alive in a sarcophagus with flesh eating scarabs, yet when his tomb is discovered, his organs are safely stored in canopic jars.
No.284821
>>283932
Did anyone believe that the machines would hold up their end of the bargain? I always assumed that if he succeeded, it would be more energy efficient just to kill him rather than go through the effort of coding some whole new famous persona into the Matrix.
No.284823
>>284112
Because STRONK and bad acting.
No.284827
>>284145
Anakin had experience with pod racing.
No.284829
>>283789
Well what do you expect when they stole the plot.
No.284832
No.284834
No.284852
>Samwise Gamgee can't swim
>proceeds to swim out into river WHEN THERE'S A FUCKING BOAT RIGHT HERE WHAT THE FUCK
Why on earth would he do that?
No.284863
>>284852
To get Frodo to come and pick him up? To leave one boat for the rest of the Fellowship?
No.284877
>>283912
Brief summary of this Batman's career
- Trained with The League of Shadows
- Fought Scarecrow and The League of Shadows
- Fought the Joker and Two-Face
- 7 year retirement
- Fought a big guy
Within that seven year retirement, Bruce Wayne was shut up in Wayne Manor and nobody saw the Batman once. Despite this, his body is completely fucked up from all his years of being Batman.
No.284882
>>284852
Boats are heavy, mate.
No.284887
>>284882
It's an elf boat.
No.284889
>>284887
>>284852
It is loaded with the others gear - clothes, weapons, food supplies, etc.
He would have to unload everything, and then start following Frodo, leaving the rest of the Fellowship with no boat.
No.284929
>>283862
He wanted his memories wiped so he wouldn't remember being such a pussy faggot.
No.284933
>>282346
Didn't she inject saline solution with metallic particles? That's how I remember the movie.
No.284942
>>284877
>Within that seven year retirement, Bruce Wayne was shut up in Wayne Manor and nobody saw the Batman once. Despite this, his body is completely fucked up from all his years of being Batman.
>confirmed for never having engaged in physical activity more strenuous than programming the microwave
What we see onscreen in the first two movies alone would have destroyed his body.
No.288827
>>283624
Well if you think of him as a space ranger, usually if you land on a planet and everyone is doing something immedialty are you really not following the lead?
No.288838
>>284723
>>284722
…..well, i will be that guy then.
Eagles are selfish being, lonely and willing to let you die on fire rather then piss on you. Gandalf cured the wing of the King of eaglegawyre? and got some favors to cash in. Saved by Saruman, saved by the wolfs and dropped in the pellennor field
Problem is that sauron can easily see all around middle earth, but can't really focus if far, point made he can barely sense the ring in the shire, therefor would be easier to spot 1-9 gigant fly eagles rather than 9 walking figures. And count the flying nazgul, the eagle tried to help them only after they died in the book, instead in the movie they even fight at the end.
The eagle King, also hated humans and the other race because got hunted and sent away by them
No.288895
>>288838
>the eagles were just mercenaries that owed a favor to a friend of their leader
That's kind of a neat side story.
No.288898
Are there plot holes with excuses?
No.288907
>>288898
Only if they are nearly done shooting the sequel when you see the first one.
No.288909
>>284130
He builds a castle out of glass on Mars.
No.289910
>>284130
part of his depression was seeing that humans just wanted to kill each other pointlessly. he could do literally anything and the US gov't was telling him "hey blow up these gooks in this stupid and pointless war pls".
No.289913
>>284929
>>283862
seems to be a clear indicator that he doesn't want to remember the guilt of betraying his comrades, either. he pretends to be all cool about it, but he isn't a machine and he does feel guilty.
double post sage
No.289938
>>284130
He not omnipresent but seems like it. Duplication, teleportation, can reconfigure how he looks, etc.
Not omniscient, since he can manipulate decremental particles it may seem that his power is unlimited but it isn't.
He is still a man, still suffers from human problems and that's why he becomes detached from humans and lives on mars naked.
No.289995
>>284130
Also, what everyone forgets is that he sees the future, but he is bound by it. He can't change his own actions that are determined to happen.
His origin comic puts up the interesting question of what happens to Manhattan if Jon Osterman never gets involved in that accident. Worth a read.
Also what else should he do? He says at one point "I've walked on the surface of the Sun" - I think he did that out of his own fancy and curiosity, so he did a lot of things, just we don't see them all. Also, after he leaves the universe at the end, he has all the time and opportunity of the world at his hands, so there he can do whatever he wants to do.
No.290026
>>283789
>just burn stuff for energy
>no more stuff
>no more energy
Why do your handlers let you post you autist.
No.290152
>>284794
Those were his girlfriend's organs, not his.
No.290236
how was this a historical film if the holocaust didn't real?
No.290242
>>290236
It's historical fiction, but it was real to me.
No.290243
>>290236
don't be stupid, the holocaust was real.
otto schindler was a racist cunt though, he didnt lift a finger to help any homos or poles
No.290244
>>290243
>don't be stupid, the holocaust was real.
No.290251
>>290243
>>290243
> otto schindler was a racist cunt though, he didnt lift a finger to help any homos or poles
In this in the movie?
No.290263
>>290243
How could it be real?
No.290278
>>290263
If you truly believe, after reviewing all available evidence including eyewitness testimony by former Nazis at Nuremberg, that the holocaust never happened, you are a retarded.
No.290281
>>284794
They remove the person organs during mummification. You have to remenber that he wans't just buried alive, he was mummified alive.
No.290299
>>290278
>eyewitness testimony by former Nazis at Nuremberg
How about the sparse recollections of the Redcross people that went to give people in the camps food when the allies bombed the fuck out of the German supply lines?
If you believe the Germans killed 5 times the Jewish population that lived in/around Germany you are retarded.
No.290327
>>290281
And how did he survived stuff like pulling his organs out?
No.290357
>>290281
He was alive when they put him in the coffin - they poured in the flesh-eating scarabs and he managed to claw a message into the coffin lid: Death is only the beginning
No.290375
>>290357
>>290327
>>290281
>>284794
I used to date this girl who studied Egyptology, she was smart as fuck, and she was a big fan of Stargate and The Mummy films because of her obsession with Egypt.
She loved the films, but said they were hated in the Egyptology community because not only does everything in the film not make sense, it's all the exact opposite of what they actually did.
Imhotep is mummified as a punishment, but in Egyptian culture getting mummified is an honor. It secures your place in the afterlife. If they wanted to punish and disgrace him they'd bury him without a mummification, just toss him in a hole or something without a second thought
No.290378
>>284821
I think the machines had a sense of morality, especially made clear in animation films. Cypher propably knew this and trusted them keep their promises.
If you think about it, the machines treat humans way better than they could.
No.290390
>>290375
so… you're telling us she cucked you with some egyptian guy?
No.290403
>>290390
No, although she did eventually cheat on me, it wasn't with an Egyptian. I've told this story before, as the rest of the relationship is nightmare fuel.
I'm going to give you way more of an answer than you probably wanted because you hit sorta close to the mark. Hang on, I think I've got a short version of the story in a screencap somewhere.
More details on the cucking: She messages me one day telling me she's writing me a letter, I ask her if it's a break up letter and she says "basically." So I read it, and keeping in mind I was kind of looking for a way out of the relationship I just say "okay" but still feel kind of depressed about it. So I go check facebook to see if she'd changed her relationship status. Not only had she, but she changed it two weeks before dumping me, to dating some other guy. And the timeline was full of them flirting with eachother. I confronted her about it, she claims it was a joke. I don't buy it, but we're not really talking anymore anyway.
A few days pass and she messages me crying and begging to get back together. I ask what happened. She claims the guy -who she totally wasn't dating- was actually dating some other girl in the chat, and *that* girl was about to go on a trip with him when she got an e-mail from the guy's WIFE. Turned out he was in his 40's, married and had three kids. So she was mentioning this just, randomly and for totally unrelated reasons wanted to get back together with me.
I started laughing at her and cut the call. She made up a story that I was the one who cheated on her -for her family and such, and messaged me every few months on forums we'd both go to and would say things like "Are you never going to talk to me again?" She used to monitor my OKCupid and send me a message whenever my status switched to single. I ended up deactivating the account so exes couldn't use it to contact me anymore.
No.290417
>>290403
>that screencap
Jesus fucking christ
What in the actual fuck. I feel nauseous.
No.290421
>>290390
>cucked
STOP VERBING NOUNS
No.290422
>>290403
>that cap
>that post
Bra….what the fuck
No.290433
>>290403
jesus fucking christ
i should have never brought this up
No.290479
>>290403
Anon, let me tell you some valuable advice: dumping someone and telling them you find them sexually repulsive is totally okay. For fuck's sake, man, have some pride.
No.290694
>>290278
yes, because everything that is self incriminating in a kangaroo court must be true
vid related - this guy must have raped someone even though all evidence says otherwise, because he said it in court!
No.291024
>>283972
the nazgul, it would've been guarded, and the eagles could've been tempted by the power of the ring
No.291026
>>290421
Make me, mothercucker.
No.291177
>>290694
>kangaroo court
you use words you dont know the meaning of.
No.291199
>>283912
Didnt he have a robo brace thing for his legs?
No.291202
>predestination.
>If he keeps getting himselves pregnant, his inbred offspring will become more and more retarded
No.291208
>>290278
Oy gevalt, this poster is right! The holocaust is most definitely real! My faddah was ejaculated to death on the Nazi's horrid masturbation machines!
No.291211
>>290375
>studied Egyptology
>obsessed with Egypt
>smart as fuck
wew lad
No.291225
>>283805
>>284093
>A much bigger plot hole-or maybe something I was too pleb to understand was how Neo's powers manifested themselves in the real world in Revolutions. What's the explanation for that?
So many people didn't understand this, and didn't untill recently; When you wake up from the matrix, you're waking up to a 2nd matrix. Just like inception, fuck me for using that comparison
So in the end, Neo was served a 2nd redpill, but chose the blue pill for the people in Zion. He let them continue to live in this faux reality, believing themselves to be rebels against the machine.
Another interesting point to adress is how Smith doesn't realize he's in the 2nd matrix, or why he doesn't comment on it at all if he knew.
No.291229
>>291225
I assumed that people were paying attention to the scene where the Architect explained that. Apparently not.
No.291234
>>291229
I was too dumb to understand that when I was a teenager, and apparently so are many others.
No.291240
>>291225
It was supposed to be a second matrix (the first actually) in the original drafts the 'real world' of the matrix was a simulation regarding how AI would react to/live with mankind and vice versa.
>>291229
>>291234
the architect scene explains it, but the dialogue is so pointlessly verbose and pretentious that trying to watch it makes me sick to my stomach
they should have a course "How not to write" and that scene is the first thing you watch/read
No.291276
>>291240
I thought the point of it being needlessly verbose was part of his characters flaw?
He couldn't understand even basic elements of human interaction because he was overly critical and made things more complex than they needed to be? He specifically points out the only reason the oracle could understand humans was because of her being dumber (or he toys with the idea of being "less bound by perfection").
Basically he was so far abstracted that he didn't even understand simple things.
No.291308
Why would they drive the bomb around gothm instead of just setting it off.
No.291315
>>291308
> nuclear explosion above the ocean
> no tsunami
I never expected something like this in a Nolan movie
No.291349
>>291308
Because bantam needed to suffer and see his city suffer before the big kaboom. This is clearly explained.
No.291360
>>282336
iirc they had a way to do that in later movies with like robot arms that take out their plug or something. it wouldn't be too much of a stretch to say that he had early access to it
>>282346
dude showed up to work the next day & was clearly sick or something. metal poisoning isn't instantaneous
>>283972
because they didn't want shit to do with that war 'til they nutted up in th eend
No.291364
>>291360
> metal poisoning isn't instantaneous
It depends on the amount.
No.291371
>terminator
can you send a guy in the past in order to fuck your mum so she can give birth to you?
No.291372
>>291371
That is some meta cuckoldry there
No.291374
>>291371
i really hate the time travel paradox set in speculative fiction
i REALLY hate it
As far as I'm concerned the only movie or show to adequately address it is LOST.
Other works have made interesting points and engagind stories, but never tried as hard to bring attention to a logical solution.
No.291376
>>291308
They disabled the remote trigger, and the only man with the capacity to handle the device was doctor Leonid "Yerprize" Paveleer, and he died earlier in the movie.
No.291383
>>283795
>Doing a little bit of reading, I found that the Matrix was originally supposed to be a tool for the machines to use humans as processing units, not for energy, which made way more sense.
it really does. especially if you think that to none of the machines it seems to have occured that they could have built nuclear power plants, or using geothermal energy like zion does…
>>284942
not that guy, but falling from high, like he did with harvey, in the end of tdk…
but in general you don't need that much to cause lasting damage.
No.291584
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>Fringe
I m not even sure we can call it a plot hole at this point, it's a gaping one going through the core of the entire show.
It's been a while so I may be wrong but from what I remember
>Peter A dies
>Walter goes after Peter B and brings him back
>They both end up in icy water
>Bald Asshole 1 breaks the rules and saves them
>Because of it the rest of the show happens
>They go into the future and save humanity from ever becoming Bald Assholes.
>Bald Asshole 1 doesn't exist anymore
>Peter A still dies
>Walter and Peter B die in the frozen lake
>Everything that happened in the show doesn't happen, and if some part of it does, not like it has
But no, that wouldn't have allowed a shitty happy ending where Olivia and Peter live happily ever after with children and shit.
I bet Jew Jew Abrams did this.
Now some of the parallel world induced shit may have still happened if the first travel between the two worlds fucked up the balance, I m not sure since it's been a while, but in that case it would be even worse because Walter wouldn't haven been here to help everone, no one would have been aware of why everything is going down the shitter, maybe Walter B would have been able to figure it out but since his son would have been taken from him and still died he'd probably figure out how to save World B by obliterating World A.
No.291643
>>291584
Any JJ Abrams movie/series is filled with plot holes.
No.291647
>>291643
> Star Wars 7
> Han Solo shitty ship does have security cameras
> Starkiller base has none
No.291651
>>291643
I wasn't making a risky bet.
>>291647
>Good guys ask stronk bad gal to do something
>Defiantly complies
No.291692
>>291584
>Now some of the parallel world induced shit may have still happened if the first travel between the two worlds fucked up the balance
Actually, September not existing means he's not there to distract Walternate when he finds the cure for Peter, so our Walter would never have to travel over.
Pretty sure Walter chalks this plot hole up to being a paradox. September's son is the one that changes the future and erases September, but how could his son exist if he doesn't exist? Stuff like this is always written off as "don't ask."
No.291708
>>291692
>Actually, September not existing means he's not there to distract Walternate when he finds the cure for Peter, so our Walter would never have to travel over.
I had completely forgotten about that, pretty silly considering this was the reason why he saved them.
So in between worlds travel wouldn't have happened and Peter A would have lived. Still not the happy ending they gave us, and this isn't covered by the "don't ask". The show had its moments but it completely ruined it for me.