Knights General: Necessary Stuff Edition Anonymous 04/09/15 (Thu) 11:50:59 1b5254 No. 3612 [Last 50 Posts]
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>>2955 Some things we need to sort out. I know they're not particularly exciting but this is like eating your vegetables. Gotta have 'em.
>2. Draw Man-At-Arms he's been a character forever >3.Organize order of the chart. Possibly by theme (Ace + 'Color Knights', Classes, Races)
Anonymous 04/09/15 (Thu) 19:10:45 3de4e0 No. 3631
One Cat Knight artwork coming right up!
Sketchy 04/09/15 (Thu) 19:37:20 7ab907 No. 3634
I've got a sketch if not a final product.
Anonymous 04/09/15 (Thu) 19:39:32 5dc007 No. 3637
Anonymous 04/09/15 (Thu) 20:16:12 894e8e No. 3642
Just wondering guys, did we just kick green knight out of the line up or something? I haven't seen him on a chart in ages.
Anonymous 04/09/15 (Thu) 20:33:36 9bdbdb No. 3643
Redone my time knight with the correct lining.
Anonymous 04/09/15 (Thu) 20:39:02 1b5254 No. 3644
>>3642 No, we're definitely keeping him. He's just not been posted in a while and so wasn't easy to throw into a chart.
Anonymous 04/09/15 (Thu) 20:42:30 1b5254 No. 3646
>>3634 Not bad. Would throw in some of the classic infantry stuff on his arms. The 'quilt' look on a gambeson. Possibly have the chain mail coif cover more of his face. And could you try blending the kettle helmet with the nasal helm? Put the nose guard and then add the brim from the kettle helmet. Possibly have the helmet block his face in a cartoony manner like one of the reference pictures.
Anonymous 04/09/15 (Thu) 21:17:59 9bdbdb No. 3649
And now, a very quick artwork of a upcoming Jester Knight …
Anonymous 04/09/15 (Thu) 21:21:18 1b5254 No. 3650
>>3649 Could you try this type of helmet? I feel it's quirky enough for jester and we haven't seen it yet.
Anonymous 04/09/15 (Thu) 21:48:00 283b6c No. 3651
>>3643 FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, AND ALL THAT IS HOLY, SOMEONE PLEASE PUT HIS HAT ON STRAIGHT
Anonymous 04/09/15 (Thu) 21:50:01 283b6c No. 3652
>>3649 Your colour scheme sickens me. Also, I feel his helmet should be quirkier. Maybe something with shoddy clown war paint smeared on the front.
Bloodshot Eye 04/09/15 (Thu) 23:07:52 1e615f No. 3660
So uhhh… what is the lattest chart, again? Or are we trying to reorganize everything from square one?
Anonymous 04/10/15 (Fri) 00:05:33 3ccb58 No. 3664
>>3651 I did also have a proper go, because I'm a nice guy
Anonymous 04/10/15 (Fri) 00:35:18 1b5254 No. 3666
>>3660 Check from last thread. We're more or less organizing from square one every other thread. We have a few versions from last thread but again we need do need to sort of discuss and sort out our themes, etc. And get some knights that were left out previously into chart updates.
Anonymous 04/10/15 (Fri) 00:38:04 1b5254 No. 3667
>>3664 Ah, I noticed a not so good change in that background text.
Objective, limiting.
Subjective, meaning the player can go against that motive.
Anonymous 04/10/15 (Fri) 00:41:26 0bad5c No. 3669
>>3612 Please fix those knights their faces are showing :^)
Anonymous 04/10/15 (Fri) 00:42:20 1b5254 No. 3670
>>3669 >men at arms >knights
Sketchy 04/10/15 (Fri) 01:27:35 f6edb4 No. 3671
>>3646 Something like this?
Anonymous 04/10/15 (Fri) 01:33:27 1b5254 No. 3672
>>3671 Spot on. Could you try the diamond shaped quilt pattern? It's more iconic and recognizable as cloth armour with this look.
Also will you be doing the chainmail bits on the coif with paint net?
You can also make him but especially the helm and weapons a big dingy. Not outright beat up but definitely a little weathered here and there.
Sketchy 04/10/15 (Fri) 01:58:07 f6edb4 No. 3675
>>3672 I'll get the chain coif done soon.
Anonymous 04/10/15 (Fri) 02:02:55 1b5254 No. 3676
>>3675 Alright. That captures his essence really good.
Sketchy 04/10/15 (Fri) 04:01:26 f6edb4 No. 3678
I'm thinking of doing a sketch for Goblin Knight, the main idea is idiotic exploding redshirt that likes to burn things and blow them up.
Anonymous 04/10/15 (Fri) 04:06:38 1b5254 No. 3679
>>3678 Use this as a style reference for the helm.
Anonymous 04/10/15 (Fri) 05:06:29 5eb22e No. 3681
>>3678 Goblin Knight needs to be blinged to hell and back.
Anonymous 04/10/15 (Fri) 13:08:38 9b7f43 No. 3702
>>3678 Hopefully we can make Goblin Knights not too assholy. Also I'm worried he could clash in similarity with gunpowder knight. I mean, if that's too much of an issue you could make them Slaver material instead
Anonymous 04/10/15 (Fri) 13:09:54 9b7f43 No. 3703
>>3675 Ooo hellyeah, I'm more of a kettle helm fan but I like this.
Anonymous 04/10/15 (Fri) 13:11:52 9b7f43 No. 3704
>>3664 Bless you, hat-nudger!
Anonymous 04/10/15 (Fri) 14:24:33 fbcb63 No. 3710
>>3631 thanks for that again.
also been working on a mega list.
Princess Frankenstein 04/10/15 (Fri) 15:05:43 5fb384 No. 3712
Anonymous 04/10/15 (Fri) 15:12:13 9bdbdb No. 3714
>>3667 Time knight guy here,
This is the final version I swear … (or I hope so)
Anonymous 04/10/15 (Fri) 15:12:15 9b7f43 No. 3715
Anonymous 04/10/15 (Fri) 15:16:00 9bdbdb No. 3716
>>3650 I tried the moustache helmet and I didn't look very good …
So I just made something a venetian mask and a half helmet
Anonymous 04/10/15 (Fri) 15:20:36 9bdbdb No. 3717
>>3716 Also I added iron chestplate and pauldrons for making him more "knightly"
Anonymous 04/10/15 (Fri) 15:27:05 9b7f43 No. 3718
Thats horrifying.
Anonymous 04/10/15 (Fri) 15:28:13 9b7f43 No. 3719
Anonymous 04/10/15 (Fri) 15:30:23 fbcb63 No. 3720
>>3712 what?
>>3714 added to the mega list.
>>3716 get rid of the mask, go back to your old helmet and smear clown paint over it.
Princess Frankenstein 04/10/15 (Fri) 15:36:09 5fb384 No. 3721
Oh also, I drew a turtle and revenant knight.
Anonymous 04/10/15 (Fri) 15:42:26 fbcb63 No. 3722
>>3721 good stuff.
we already have a turtle knight though
Princess Frankenstein 04/10/15 (Fri) 15:45:34 5fb384 No. 3723
>>3722 Yes I know. You guys also have a revenant knight. I just like seeing what I can do with the knight concepts, really.
Anonymous 04/10/15 (Fri) 15:53:35 fbcb63 No. 3724
>>3723 fine by me mon ami, the stuff looks good. I saved your piece as "Tower NPCs" since that art could get some use.
also, updated megalist.
Anonymous 04/10/15 (Fri) 15:57:22 9b7f43 No. 3725
>>3724 We must finish copper knight
Anonymous 04/10/15 (Fri) 16:01:41 fbcb63 No. 3726
>>3725 I'm working off details left on silver knight and gunpowder knight on 2+2chan.
also making a dino princess mockup throw out some details mon ami.
Anonymous 04/10/15 (Fri) 17:52:39 9b7f43 No. 3727
>>3726 As much as I'd love to help, I'm not even entirely sure what the creator had in their mind for copper knight. Is he a ghost or? who knows.
Anonymous 04/10/15 (Fri) 18:14:11 989095 No. 3730
>>3727 Sexual eldritch energy inside a husk of copper armor, I think? Just a big tentacled mass of spirit that violates princesses to feed on their lust energy. Whether he's a ghost or some sort of energy being wasn't ever decided upon.
I'm sad that the creator hasn't been around, he did good knights.
Anonymous 04/10/15 (Fri) 18:21:10 5dc007 No. 3732
>>3727 >>3730 The concept is just the picture. Glowy spirit shit bursting out of a set of old copper armor. The rest was made to be funny place holders. Other than that it's up to consensus on that you guys want it to be. These are basically donated to public use so literally change anything about it that you think would be better.
N- not that i'm the creator trying to lay low or anything.
Anonymous 04/10/15 (Fri) 18:51:01 9b7f43 No. 3736
>>3732 Well, we have revenant Knight but, this could be a nice way of us giving ourselves Ghost Knight, he's definitely good looking enough to justify it.
Anonymous 04/10/15 (Fri) 19:18:17 989095 No. 3739
>>3732 I liked the idea of him being an alien whatsit from the Etheric Realm.
Anonymous 04/10/15 (Fri) 19:30:02 5eb22e No. 3744
>>3739 Looks good!
Wonder if he can knock up princesses though… spirit stuff is basically pure LIFE after all…
Anonymous 04/10/15 (Fri) 19:39:37 989095 No. 3749
>>3744 I'm having this mental image of several princesses teaming up to dutifully put condoms on the end of all his spirit tentacles just so there aren't any accidents with the line of succession.
Also an anon on the 4chan thread asked for more readable copper text.
Anonymous 04/10/15 (Fri) 19:42:30 5dc007 No. 3750
>>3736 If it helps develop it, the original design for it was called "Hollow Knight", and was based on a mostly mindless drone with otherworldly power. Originally supposed to wild a comically oversized shattered sword to go with the whole broken theme. But i canned it because it would have covered most of the sprite. Also why it's stats had it dumb as a brick with strength as a dump stat.
But again, do whatever you want with it. Just an example to help give ideas.
>>3739 Looks good to me. Weapon is spot on. Personally i preferred "slightly carcinogenic", which was someone else's suggestion. Copper Knight/ Elemental Princess is still my OTP
Anonymous 04/10/15 (Fri) 19:47:13 1b5254 No. 3754
>>3724 >Edgy Knight wasn't forgotten Noooooooo.
And it looks like someone altered him slightly since the last time I saw him but they still don't know how to stat correctly.
Anonymous 04/10/15 (Fri) 19:48:29 989095 No. 3755
>>3750 I think we could still run with that theme, I went more with 'emotionless android' than 'mindless golem', hence the high Wits stat. He'd need a new power ( This thing you call 'love' is supposed to represent him gaining real emotions).
Carcinogenic makes me think of cigarettes more than anything else, and while he's an eldritch weirdthing I don't know why elemental soulstuff causes cancer…
Anonymous 04/10/15 (Fri) 20:14:18 5eb22e No. 3757
>>3749 Any children are magically gifted members of their mother's race rather than some kind of half-ghost hybrid.
Anonymous 04/10/15 (Fri) 21:14:50 5eb22e No. 3762
>>3724 Torn between Lantern Knight and Spirit Knight.
Kinda want a knight who is good at breeding though, maybe goblin knight?
Anonymous 04/10/15 (Fri) 21:19:10 2a9e39 No. 3763
>>3762 >O I FORBID you, maidens a’, >That wear gowd on your hair, >To come or gae by Carterhaugh, >For young Tam Lin is there. >There’s nane that gaes by Carterhaugh >But they leave him a wad, >Either their rings, or green mantles, >Or else their maidenhead. if the old tale of tam lin is any indication, fairy knight could fill that niche
Anonymous 04/10/15 (Fri) 21:30:51 9b7f43 No. 3765
>>3762 Until folks decide what the hell copperknight actually is, i'd go with mah nigga Lantern Knight.
10/10, would form kingdom allegiance with.
Anonymous 04/10/15 (Fri) 21:33:35 989095 No. 3766
>>3765 Someone should re-draw him at some point. I feel like he's popular in spite of rather than because of my art.
Anonymous 04/10/15 (Fri) 21:35:02 9b7f43 No. 3767
>>3766 who? Lantern Knight or Copper Knight?
Anonymous 04/10/15 (Fri) 21:36:46 989095 No. 3769
Lantern.
Anonymous 04/10/15 (Fri) 21:37:13 1b5254 No. 3770
>>3766 If you're talking about Lantern I'd like to see him polished rather than redesigned. So your design does have its merits. Like his helmet and weapon are the things that can't be changed outright.
Anonymous 04/10/15 (Fri) 21:38:04 9b7f43 No. 3771
>>3769 Nonsense, he's a very pretty knight, but I wouldn't hate him being touched up a little bit. he's modestly designed.
Anonymous 04/10/15 (Fri) 21:47:45 5ae061 No. 3774
I made this knight. Originally started as an idea for a companion for Demon Princess, but I decided I could just turn him into a knight.
Anonymous 04/10/15 (Fri) 21:52:37 1b5254 No. 3777
>>3774 Not bad. My recommendation is that you add 'Never Misses' at the end of the power description just to make it clear. Whether it was intentional or not that's what makes it better than a regular attack.
Anonymous 04/10/15 (Fri) 21:55:05 9b7f43 No. 3778
>>3774 I still love him, but think Obviously evil should be changed to Evil by Nature or something that makes it less set in stone. I think it's funnier that he's evil by complete accident.
Anonymous 04/10/15 (Fri) 21:59:27 1b5254 No. 3781
>>3778 Just like his Princess counterpart. I kind of wish I saw this more often in TTRPGs and fiction in general. You know the brooding evil race turning good and succeeding on the first go so they can focus on angst. We rarely see a character struggling to become good or even understand what being good entails.
Anonymous 04/10/15 (Fri) 22:01:11 9b7f43 No. 3782
>>3781 I just have a cute image of a Knighthood devoted to re-purposing and rehabilitating demons.
Anonymous 04/10/15 (Fri) 22:11:46 99f8cc No. 3784
>>3782 It doesn't really fit the towerknight paradigm (and we've already got Punishment Knight) but I'd like to see this as well. Sort of like the shushus from wakfu, you send out bound demons on ridealongs with paladins so they can teach them about the good life.
That said,
>>3762 How have we NOT done the "Lady's Knight" joke?
Anonymous 04/10/15 (Fri) 22:35:45 989095 No. 3789
>>3784 >Lady's Knight Pfffft we need to use that somewhere.
And yeah, Punishment Knight was originally there to 'rescue' wicked PRINCESSES, only to imprison them in his OWN dungeon for rehabilitation bondage. The line about him being there to defeat/punish the dragons was added because of complaints about my ambiguous syntax in his original blurb.
Anonymous 04/11/15 (Sat) 00:21:16 5dc007 No. 3813
>>3771 >>3770 >>3766 Lantern knight is probably my favorite so i just decided i'd tale a shot at it. Not that i see anything wrong with the original and CERTAINLY don't want to end up redrawing every single knight.
How's this so far? Don't want to step on anybody's toes.
Anonymous 04/11/15 (Sat) 00:26:43 5dc007 No. 3814
>>3813 Wait this looks really small, how did it end up so small?
Anonymous 04/11/15 (Sat) 00:40:23 1b5254 No. 3815
>>3813 Nice! Noticed his armor got a slight upgrade. Also like the light and smoke thing.
Anonymous 04/11/15 (Sat) 00:44:45 97d207 No. 3816
>>3813 It's looking good so far. Any reason you swapped out the jack of plate and mail (or was it a brigandine)? I thought that gave him a quality of not being the best equipped.
Anonymous 04/11/15 (Sat) 00:48:47 5eb22e No. 3817
Rooster Knight>Wing blades
Anonymous 04/11/15 (Sat) 00:52:05 5dc007 No. 3818
>>3816 >>3815 It just looks like that because i haven't colored it yet and that's where those details come out. The design is going to be identical.
Anonymous 04/11/15 (Sat) 00:53:47 9b7f43 No. 3819
>>3817 I'm listening.
He going to actually BE some kind of bird or just a human with bird-like armour and fighting style?
Sketchy 04/11/15 (Sat) 00:56:45 f6edb4 No. 3820
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I'm going to work on the stitching and the mail now.
Anonymous 04/11/15 (Sat) 00:57:47 1b5254 No. 3821
>>3817 Careful on motivations. They're Player Characters. Power is also a bit much. Not bad, but nerf is a little. Especially since half of the point of charisma is to use it with princesses.
>>3818 Ah, okay.
Anonymous 04/11/15 (Sat) 00:58:38 989095 No. 3822
I did this design for a friend.
Anonymous 04/11/15 (Sat) 01:02:01 9b7f43 No. 3823
>>3822 needs less prowess and stamina and waaay more intellect.
Typical necromancers think themselves to be enlightened and intelligent!
Anonymous 04/11/15 (Sat) 01:04:00 5eb22e No. 3824
>>3819 I think some kind of bird, harpy like even.
>>3821 Well we put in some ideas of motivations for all of them, but I take your point.
Charisma could be dropped to 3, the 4 for stamina when dealing with princesses was mostly a joke of "the only time he's tireless is with princesses"
Critique Knight 04/11/15 (Sat) 01:05:35 30e5a8 No. 3825
>>3822 +Very Doctor Doom like which isn't a bad thing in my opinion
+/-Personally I'd swap stamina and intellect
-Way too much text in the top section and his power says a lot without saying what his power really does
Anonymous 04/11/15 (Sat) 01:05:54 5dc007 No. 3826
>>3822 >"Okay role call. Please state your name and title" >"Green Knight, the woodland sentinel? Check. Lantern Knight, the luminous warden? Check. Bear Knight the completely normal human knight? Check. Sku-" >"I AM SKULL KNIGHT! The dark avenger and protector of the far maddens yet unsullied by the ebon grasp of the shadows!" >"Jesus christ Skull Knight, sit down, we have shit to do today" 10/10 i'm laughing my ass of right now.
Anonymous 04/11/15 (Sat) 01:07:38 1b5254 No. 3827
>>3822 Modifiers are capped at +2.
Kind of. People are getting a little off rails with newer knights. Like look at Arcane, Lantern, and Corpulent's descriptions. Arcane has a slight motivation but you don't know what he plans to do once he starts his journey.
Anonymous 04/11/15 (Sat) 01:08:09 989095 No. 3828
>>3823 >>3825 Him being verbose and adjective laden and gothy and kind of a dork is sort of the joke.
Critique Knight 04/11/15 (Sat) 01:11:24 30e5a8 No. 3829
>>3828 I wasn't thinking it from that angle but I'd still like to know what his power actually does
Anonymous 04/11/15 (Sat) 01:19:22 989095 No. 3830
>>3829 He can teleport to people who call out 'SKULL KNIGHT!'
Anonymous 04/11/15 (Sat) 01:24:34 1b5254 No. 3831
>>3830 I feel his pose should be more dynamic. Like he's holding a skull in his hand and likely monologue while staring into it.
Anonymous 04/11/15 (Sat) 01:26:46 1b5254 No. 3832
>>3820 Alright cool.
Now we need a slight update of Ace and Black Knight.
Bloodshot Eye 04/11/15 (Sat) 01:34:57 1e615f No. 3833
>>3724 Wait, what happened to Bash Knight? He was neat…
Anonymous 04/11/15 (Sat) 01:37:04 989095 No. 3834
>>3833 He's super dead now, Anon. Turns out that lovingly knitted scarves don't actually stop spears.
Or someone forgot to add him to the chart, which is gonna happen a -lot-.
Bloodshot Eye 04/11/15 (Sat) 01:37:42 1e615f No. 3835
>>3832 Anyone got Ace's latest versions, so it can be worked with?
Bloodshot Eye 04/11/15 (Sat) 01:38:49 1e615f No. 3836
>>3834 Oh well, will re-adding him to the chart revive him or something?
Anonymous 04/11/15 (Sat) 01:39:36 989095 No. 3837
>>3836 The things I say are not canon.
Sketchy 04/11/15 (Sat) 01:40:58 f6edb4 No. 3838
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>>3832 Sure I'll get a rough sketch done tonight.
Anonymous 04/11/15 (Sat) 01:51:15 1b5254 No. 3839
>>3835 I'll try to find Ace's profile but for art he's just the default knight.
Has 2 in everything and 2 points to allocate in any spot he wishes.
>>3836 Yes
Sketchy 04/11/15 (Sat) 02:09:13 f6edb4 No. 3840
Alright guys here's what I've got, thoughts?
Anonymous 04/11/15 (Sat) 02:11:17 1b5254 No. 3841
>>3840 Not bad. I feel he might need to follow that one template since he's the most blank slate knight though.
Sketchy 04/11/15 (Sat) 02:12:35 f6edb4 No. 3842
>>3841 It's mostly a reference, nothing more.
Anonymous 04/11/15 (Sat) 02:15:22 84a232 No. 3843
do you think this reference is too much for it to be counted as a real knight, and as a gag knight instead?
Sketchy 04/11/15 (Sat) 02:19:01 f6edb4 No. 3844
>>3843 Someone did a sketch of Ranger Knight and Black Knight many moons ago, I think this is the best redraw we have.
Anonymous 04/11/15 (Sat) 02:19:47 989095 No. 3845
>>3843 We've had a -couple- jojo knights and I think they're pretty funny and could be included, but I may be in the minority here.
He's got 13 stats instead of 12, though.
Anonymous 04/11/15 (Sat) 02:20:52 989095 No. 3846
>>3843 Change his title to 'Bizarre Knight'
Bloodshot Eye 04/11/15 (Sat) 02:21:15 1e615f No. 3847
>>3845 having 12 stat points total is the immaculate rule of knight-building, correct?
Anonymous 04/11/15 (Sat) 02:21:18 1b5254 No. 3848
>>3845 I want something polished to give the chart legitimacy. That means these guys would go in the joke/extra section. Not that I don't like the references.
>>3844 I like those. Could use them as references for redesigns.
Bloodshot Eye 04/11/15 (Sat) 02:22:36 1e615f No. 3849
>>3848 Hum… in that case should I drop the "Prude Knight" idea I've been scheming?
Anonymous 04/11/15 (Sat) 02:24:54 989095 No. 3850
>>3847 Knights must:
1) Stat total to 12
2) Power can only provide +2 or less of a numerical bonus
3) Helmet must conceal face
(I'm lobbying to have 3 amended to exclude female knights)
Critique Knight 04/11/15 (Sat) 02:32:27 30e5a8 No. 3851
>>3843 + Very well drawn
+ References are clear if you know the source but makes him unique if you don't
- Not making his special ability the Jostar Family secret technique
- Balancing of the stats just feels off, besides the fact he has 13 point
Don't get me wrong I REALLY like this knight but I'm going to have to say he is more of gag knight material
Anonymous 04/11/15 (Sat) 02:36:59 1b5254 No. 3852
>>3849 Bad idea for RP driven PC.
I'm juggling both threads right now so I'll be super concise here.
We should probably focus on organizing things before they collapse in on themselves.
Second, got to get more generic but decent concepts in first. Like Colour Knights or something.
I know a lot of drawknights have ideas and that's cool but we need a recognizable core here.
Anonymous 04/11/15 (Sat) 02:56:11 2a9e39 No. 3853
>>3850 Why? so people can get lazy when it comes to drawing their waifu ocs? shit idea
Anonymous 04/11/15 (Sat) 02:59:10 1b5254 No. 3854
>>3853 I'm thinking we limit Female Knights to 3 max.
Anonymous 04/11/15 (Sat) 03:01:16 1b5254 No. 3855
Alright here is how I think they could be organized.
Anonymous 04/11/15 (Sat) 03:05:36 1b5254 No. 3856
>>3855 Switch Bronze to copper. Will probably be the weirdest one in The Core though unless we make a Bronze Knight.
Bloodshot Eye 04/11/15 (Sat) 03:05:45 1e615f No. 3857
>>3855 Hrm… yeah, I can see it crumbling…
Anonymous 04/11/15 (Sat) 03:08:13 1e615f No. 3858
Hold on, "The Core"? Whuzzat??
Anonymous 04/11/15 (Sat) 03:10:44 1b5254 No. 3859
>>3858 It's my term for the first knights you'll see on the chart, and the 'defaults' with a clear focused theme.
Anonymous 04/11/15 (Sat) 03:18:02 1e615f No. 3861
>>3859 Perhaps you should put together an listing all Core Knights, even if a slot can't be filled with more than the knight's title. That way you can just hope some drawknights will step up and start filling in the blanks. Might want to move or add two knights if you wanna keep them displayed in rows of 4
Anonymous 04/11/15 (Sat) 03:19:06 063de7 No. 3862
I saw the words "merc knight" in a previous thread and took my lame crack at it (image related). Haven't figured out how to make the coin-mail, though. Any tips for staying on-model, pic or text -wise?
Merc Knight I (Monetary Myrmidon)
+ cunning warrior
+ shrewd negotiator
+ MBA in Business
- will take every penny you've got
- and then some
Stamina 2
Prowess 2
Speed 2
Charm 3
Smarts 3
+ Diamond Spear -
+ Coin Mail - protection scales with wealth
Power, Credit Default Swap: swap wealth scores between 1 princess you've saved and 1 you haven't
"A knight fighting for love- love of coin, love of battle, love of hot royal poon."
Merc Knight II (Paid Patriot)
+ retired Special Forces or something
+ knows how to get the job done
+ all steak
- no sizzle
- will mock the GM/player(s) mercilessly
Stamina 3
Prowess 1
Speed 3
Charm 1
Smarts 4
+ Kalashnikov - both a cheap ranged and melee weapon (img:blood stain on stock?)
+ Health Insurance - spend 1 wealth to immediately regain 1 health
Power, Fight Dirty: ???
"A knight for hire, with a suitably high price tag. Inexplicably hates the word 'chimichanga'."
>>3817 >rooster knight >this is the first thing that comes to mind Masked Knight (Hotline Hitter)
+ can use anything as a weapon
+ rad synth theme music
+ crazy good at murder
- crazy good at murder
- crazy
Stamina 1
Prowess 4
Speed 4
Charm 2
Smarts 2
+ Baseball Bat - with some bits of brain on it
+ Letterman Jacket - can get away with damn near anything
Power, Masks: the gorier the wound, the faster it heals
"Do you like to hurt people?"
Anonymous 04/11/15 (Sat) 03:22:10 1b5254 No. 3863
>>3862 Not digging it to be honest. He technically already exists as a character, and he's more of the classical mercenary with the feather cap, stripes, and huge greatsword.
Sketchy 04/11/15 (Sat) 03:23:55 f6edb4 No. 3864
Here's a bit of a preview of Black Knight
Sketchy 04/11/15 (Sat) 03:28:03 f6edb4 No. 3865
>>3863 I'll get on that later. Now I must sleep.
Anonymous 04/11/15 (Sat) 03:28:03 1b5254 No. 3866
>>3864 Looks good. Sketchy, have you put any of your knights into cards? I'll give it an attempt or two and use this one if you color it for a chart outline. Just to get my organization thing into gear. I feel it's becoming really necessary at this point to prevent us from crumbling a part.
Anonymous 04/11/15 (Sat) 03:28:27 063de7 No. 3867
>>3863 Hence the I and II- traditional vs modern. I suck at complex shapes, though. :(
Side note, love the loops, love the history of mercenaries. The outfits there, for example, were because the soldiers had to subsist on looting, including clothing- and they got all these badass outfits, but could only wear/carry one at a time, so they slit the overclothes and pulled lower layers or displayed them through those gashes. The renaissance city-states even had a PMC-like euphemism for it: companies of adventure.
Military adventurism, indeed.
Those rad duds aside, are there good stylistic touches that visually say "I'm a soldier of fortune" without falling into the same dude-in-armor look?
Anonymous 04/11/15 (Sat) 03:28:50 063de7 No. 3868
Sketchy 04/11/15 (Sat) 03:30:09 f6edb4 No. 3869
>>3866 I can do that but not tonight I need to do some things tonight.
Anonymous 04/11/15 (Sat) 03:31:27 1b5254 No. 3870
>>3867 There's always this
>>3606 A little bling here and there. A dynamic pose also helps. Like he is flicking a coin into the air.
Anonymous 04/11/15 (Sat) 03:36:37 2a9e39 No. 3871
>>3855 you (or someone) are probably gonna want to spin some of these out into more than a name that really says nothing about the character or aesthetic if you want drawknights who are on the fence to bite. marking which ones have already been started or completed is probably gonna help too
best knight
Sketchy 04/11/15 (Sat) 03:41:44 f6edb4 No. 3872
>>3870 Something like this?
Anonymous 04/11/15 (Sat) 03:47:56 1b5254 No. 3874
>>3871 Most of the ones in the core are already existing characters I just need to hunt down. With the exception of Bronze (who can be Copper I guess), Joker, Queen, and Silver (kind of, got to hunt him down in the archives).
Joker can be Jester Knight after we hammer him out.
Black also exists as well and even showed up in these quick compiled charts now. Ace is missing but I feel I shouldn't need to pull up his profile to get his art updated considering he's just the default knight.
>>3872 Yup, spot on.
Anonymous 04/11/15 (Sat) 03:59:24 5eb22e No. 3875
>>3850 >(I'm lobbying to have 3 amended to exclude female knights) Fuck that. We have male princesses. No reason we can't have a few female knights
>Still need very girly Princess Knight
Anonymous 04/11/15 (Sat) 04:01:23 063de7 No. 3876
>>3872 >>3874 Got the coin thing done digitally; anyone want it? Also, one might feel like a doof after looking at the knights again and finding a fairly Renaissance-looking fellow, who might be the Merc Knight? I'm new and doofy.
Sketchy 04/11/15 (Sat) 04:03:24 f6edb4 No. 3878
I'll give it a go tomorrow. I am slightly busy though so it might not be as quick as I'd like.
Anonymous 04/11/15 (Sat) 04:07:57 1b5254 No. 3879
>>3876 He's Boom Knight. The bomb/gun guy. Could be repurposed, but lets save that for another discussion. Right now I'm trying to make a rough outline chart of what needs to be done and in what order.
Anonymous 04/11/15 (Sat) 04:10:01 dd4439 No. 3880
Okay, my little bro did a small update to Forge Knight; fixed a grammatical error, and re-did the buffed-point icons so the picture is more apparent.
Anonymous 04/11/15 (Sat) 04:14:00 894e8e No. 3882
Out of curiosity, is scottish ram knight still a thing Sketchy, or did you give up on him?
Anonymous 04/11/15 (Sat) 04:14:47 1b5254 No. 3883
>>3880 >filthy gaijin Remove that and it's perfect. Power could be a bit more objective but as it stands it's good.
Also, you're the anon who remade Barbarian and Arcane right? Could you help with this?
>>3855 Particularly Ace. Because he's going to be the first one on the chart and this is all we have for him. Super old and outdated.
>>3882 It's on his backlog. He hasn't scanned in a lot of his knights.
Anonymous 04/11/15 (Sat) 04:18:17 6a22fb No. 3884
>>3880 >>3335 Same stats as Matador Knight, m8.
Also, posting the revised version of Red Knight again since the statting on the sheet isn't right.
Anonymous 04/11/15 (Sat) 04:22:30 dd4439 No. 3885
>>3882 >>3883 I am the guy who did Arcane and Barbarian- Revenant too. I am NOT Sketchy, though. That's a different dude. Might start using a name if I feel like it.
I'm still gonna do more re-draws, too. I've been absent for a while because Scholar of the First Sin, replaying Deus Ex HR, and still kind of hesitant to get back on Kobold Knight again. Starting again tonight though. My goal is to get through as many of the Knights as I can.
And by "help with this", I assume you mean re-draws? Cuz I'm trying my damndest, I assure you.
>>3884 Well damnit all then. I hate telling him he has to change things. He's a stubborn one.
Anonymous 04/11/15 (Sat) 04:25:28 6a22fb No. 3886
>>3885 Tell him to take a point out of attack and put it into speed. I think it'd fit HEMA Cut Man's incompetence better, though that's just my two cents.
Anonymous 04/11/15 (Sat) 04:25:36 1b5254 No. 3887
>>3885 My plea in particular is in relation to trying to organize the chart and give it a less chaotic feeling. I'm going to do Ace, playing cards, a girl knight as the first knights on the chart. Ace needs an update because that's seriously his only stat card.
I figured it'd be a good place to start because he's a straightforward existing design and concept.
Anonymous 04/11/15 (Sat) 04:27:17 1b5254 No. 3888
>>3887 Oops.
Colors, then King, Queen, and Joker.
So guy who did Red Knight your knight is the first on the chart after Ace. Congrats.
Anonymous 04/11/15 (Sat) 04:33:04 dd4439 No. 3890
>>3887 Dangit, I was hoping to avoid getting into chart-organizing.
I feel as though I should be polite and tell you that I'll get to it when I can, but we both know that's a lie that actually means "yeah no." I could tell you and MYSELF that I'd do it, but I know MYSELF better than that. It'll just get put off indefinitely. Sorry, but I'm just not comfortable making promises I know I won't keep. I can barely push myself to do stuff that I actually like as it is.
Anonymous 04/11/15 (Sat) 04:34:45 989095 No. 3891
Anonymous 04/11/15 (Sat) 04:39:04 1b5254 No. 3892
>>3890 Maybe that came on too strong. It's not true organizing just yet. I'll be doing the actual organizing. I just need things to organize with.
It's really only a reference thing so the chart has a bit of focus. I just need a stat card of Ace because it's a bit pathetic that the original knight needs to have an UPDATE ME thing on my rought outline. Everyone else in need of tweaking will get that if needed. I'm not requesting you to draw all of those. Just Ace/Default Knight.
Anonymous 04/11/15 (Sat) 04:40:19 dd4439 No. 3893
>>3892 Oh okay, I can do that.
Anonymous 04/11/15 (Sat) 05:01:26 1b5254 No. 3894
>>3893 Thank you! How's Kobold coming along?
Bloodshot Eye 04/11/15 (Sat) 05:12:41 1e615f No. 3897
Welp, I'll have a crack at a knight o' mine nonetheless. See how the feedback goes.
Anonymous 04/11/15 (Sat) 05:19:33 1b5254 No. 3899
>>3897 Actually pretty good. The bottom one is interesting but might not fit the card and gets a bit crunchy. But it is good that you're using the stats and dice for these powers.
Anonymous 04/11/15 (Sat) 05:26:41 5dc007 No. 3901
>>3813 Sorry it's been a while. I went out.
How'd I do? Any suggestions/touch ups?
Anonymous 04/11/15 (Sat) 05:28:45 5dc007 No. 3903
>>3901 Oh fuck i forgot the sweat. One second i won't stand for this
Bloodshot Eye 04/11/15 (Sat) 05:29:26 1e615f No. 3904
>>3901 Other than perhaps contain the smoke a little so it doesn't extend off-image, looks all fine to me! (although I gotta say it looks super neat; that's some well-drawn smoke you got there)
Anonymous 04/11/15 (Sat) 05:29:43 989095 No. 3905
>>3903 >>3901 Holy SHIT.
We are moved to tears by the size of it.
Anonymous 04/11/15 (Sat) 05:31:04 1b5254 No. 3906
>>3901 >>3903 Looks really awesome!
I'd shrink the smoke a bit so it doesn't cut off suddenly and makes putting him in a card and chart easy.
Other than that. Fantastic work
Anonymous 04/11/15 (Sat) 05:31:50 063de7 No. 3907
Bloodshot Eye 04/11/15 (Sat) 05:35:03 1e615f No. 3908
Welp, I'll be tucking in for the next several hours. Might sketch up Prude Knight later if he get some attention.
Anonymous 04/11/15 (Sat) 05:37:26 6a22fb No. 3909
File: 1428730646211.png (92.48 KB, 459x496, 459:496, Matador Knight Final (Most….png )
I'll battle that capote later. Trying to mouse draw flowing fabrics is like hammering nails through your cock.
>>3903 10/10 would fug in the poo poo hole
Anonymous 04/11/15 (Sat) 05:37:51 989095 No. 3910
>>3903 I updated his card as fast as I could.
Anonymous 04/11/15 (Sat) 05:40:25 5dc007 No. 3911
>>3906 >>3904 Okay smoke's an issue, got it. Truth be told, i always sort of just draw smoke trailing off. it's a huge copout but i have no idea how to actually give it an end. So could it just be cropped until it's not giving the knight above him black lung? Like will this
>>3910 (or even more cropped) work or should i redraw it?
Smoke's annoying and i'm trying to get out of it, if you can't tell.
Anonymous 04/11/15 (Sat) 05:43:21 1b5254 No. 3912
>>3911 I hate to do it to you, but it really is a necessity.
Because cropping won't work on a chart. There's no corners for the smoke to fade into with that.
The smoke can be pretty mild. Can even just round the ends softly or have it fade away into points.
Anonymous 04/11/15 (Sat) 05:43:44 989095 No. 3913
>>3911 I lazily tried to apply a gradient to the smoke so it faded out above him but it didn't quite look right.
Anonymous 04/11/15 (Sat) 05:46:14 1b5254 No. 3914
Would this reference help?
Anonymous 04/11/15 (Sat) 06:12:06 5dc007 No. 3916
>>3910 I just ended up dicking around with one i had already made before that, but canned because it looked bad. Still looks bad but i'm tired now. Here's a few. I'm going to bed though. Maybe i'll draw more stuff some time later.
Anonymous 04/11/15 (Sat) 06:13:26 5eb22e No. 3917
>>3784 >>3789 See
>>3817 I vote for Harpy/Rooster Knight to be the Lady's Knight.
Anonymous 04/11/15 (Sat) 06:13:43 5eb22e No. 3918
>>3916 middle one. lksmoke1.png
Anonymous 04/11/15 (Sat) 06:14:17 1b5254 No. 3919
>>3916 Middle one works well. Thank you for making this!
Anonymous 04/11/15 (Sat) 06:22:47 fbcb63 No. 3921
>>3833 on the currently being updated list.
if anyone wants to update black knight with that greatsword and amulet of invincibility I'm afraid they're gonna have to do it themselves because I haven't got the effort to spare for that.
Anonymous 04/11/15 (Sat) 06:23:27 dd4439 No. 3922
>>3894 Slowly. Not only am I distracted by a side-project I took up (it IS Towergirls-related, and it involves Royal Jelly, hint hint), but I'm also coming down with procrastination syndrome. Oh, who am I kidding, I'm not "coming down", it's a chronic condition.
Worse yet, it's the weekend now, so I won't have the house to myself overnight for the duration. I draw best when I'm isolated.
>>3916 Fuckin' incredible, mate. Lantern really needed a new portrait, and now he's got it. Being such a famous knight around here, he really deserved some good looks.
Anonymous 04/11/15 (Sat) 07:51:57 fbcb63 No. 3930
update
Anonymous 04/11/15 (Sat) 08:19:46 1b5254 No. 3934
>>3930 Bash Knight is drawn really huge.
Anonymous 04/11/15 (Sat) 08:20:43 fbcb63 No. 3935
>>3934 I know but unless the artist can give me a clean version of his art I can't shrink him down without rendering the text on his card illegible.
Anonymous 04/11/15 (Sat) 08:21:16 fbcb63 No. 3936
>>3935 >>3934 eh fuck it I'll give shrinking him a shot
Anonymous 04/11/15 (Sat) 08:27:07 fbcb63 No. 3937
bash knight fixed, plunderknight fix for gonne knight applied
Anonymous 04/11/15 (Sat) 08:30:54 5eb22e No. 3939
>>3937 need to get them justified properly, it looks ugly with them out of alignment.
Anonymous 04/11/15 (Sat) 08:33:52 989095 No. 3941
>>3937 If i can make a request, can you use the version of Mouse Knight 1 with the power armor offset to one side, so you can see more of it's detail? It's post >>39272628 on the current /tg/ thread.
Anonymous 04/11/15 (Sat) 08:35:20 02f775 No. 3942
"Drink your tea." Peasant Knight motioned to the small shoddy tin cups. They had set up camp in the Fearsome Forest, their tents and bedrolls up against the side of Horror Mountain. It was more reassuring to have the cold stone face of the mountain to sleep with your back against. The rest of Team Sparkle Knife I Didn't Agree On This Name Ebony Blackshade agreed.
Anonymous 04/11/15 (Sat) 08:36:12 02f775 No. 3943
>>3942 Morning arose quietly, the screeching of the Terror Birds resounding through the forest like nature's alarm clock. Peasant Knight sat up quietly, rubbing his head before sliding his pot back into place. He swept the door to his tent open. "Good morning, my compa-"
The camp was a mess. Tents ruined, stools kicked over, the kettle up-ended into the dirt. A procession of ants trekked through the tea that had not yet soaked into the ground.
"What in the hell?"
The morning was broken with a familiar scream. The kind of scream that Board made when he was in trouble. Peasant hefted his mighty Halberd and shield and marched to the source of the screaming.
The clearing shone with morning dew and arrowheads, the firing squad of centaurs laughing and stomping their hoods as they aimed their bows. Board fled back and forth across the clearing as the centaurs took aim and fired. They'd stripped him of his suit and left him in his underwear (which Peasant noted, with some amusement and disgust, were covered in Mimic Princess in cheesecake poses) and had painted an apple on the sides of his box. Every scream of fear as an arrow sunk into his helmet made the centaurs laugh harder.
Peasant scanned the clearing. Bash was sitting on the back of a stern female centaur (no doubt their commander) and was gleefully running a brush through her hair with the woman's quiet approval. Skull hung from a net tied to a tree branch.
Anonymous 04/11/15 (Sat) 08:37:08 02f775 No. 3944
>>3943 Skull motioned Peasant closer. The centaurs were too busy with their game to notice.
"What was that about the shadows being your guide?"
Skull scoffed. "They were, and then I got up to pee this morning and found that in the horrible light, I had lost my friends the shadows. But then, a shadow loomed across me. An enemy shadow. And it belonged to -her-." He pointed at the commander.
"So why're they shooting at Board."
"He would not stop making 'ride the pony' jokes and asking which of her relatives had gotten their Cutie Marks yet."
"Well. Are you guys in trouble?"
Skull scoffed again. "Me? In trouble?"
Peasant crossed his arms.
"…cut me down, please."
Skull Knight did not land gracefully as he had hoped he would. He brushed the dirt off his armor and righted himself, flexing. "Let's show this horse how we do it in the rodeo."
"No, I think I'm going to go talk to her." Peasant nodded.
"What? Why?"
"Well…why isn't she trying to kill Bash?"
"He said something about really liking her hair and offered to make it look nicer."
Peasant nodded. "I figured a kind word would do more than trying to carve her flank up with a halberd."
Skull sighed. "You may be right. This time, we win our battle with words, not war. The greatest battle we can fight…is with politeness."
Anonymous 04/11/15 (Sat) 08:37:44 02f775 No. 3945
>>3944 The four of them slinked back to camp, full of arrows (and in the case of Bash, covered in lipstick). Bash giggled in glee.
"What's so funny, half-pint. Makin' it with a horse? Good for you. Next thing you know you're gonna try to fuck Barnyard Princess before her brothers can rescue her." groused Board.
Peasant sighed and slumped against his tent. "At least they apologized."
Skull nodded. "If there's one thing to learn today, it's never take a piss in the morning without someone to watch your back."
Peasant shook his head. "No, I think the moral is, never sneak up on a jittery herd of centaur when they're all loaded up to turn a bear into a porcupine."
Anonymous 04/11/15 (Sat) 08:37:52 fbcb63 No. 3946
>>3941 I like it more with it's current look but sure.
>>3939 at the moment I'm more concerned with archiving all of the bastards but yeah, when the time comes to finally get them sorted I'll likely make multiple sheets and sort them according to some kind of types list.
Anonymous 04/11/15 (Sat) 08:39:54 1b5254 No. 3947
>>3946 I'm doing a rough outline myself of this, but this would be a good way to start if you put them in a bunch of charts.
>>3855
Plunder Knight 04/11/15 (Sat) 08:40:46 989095 No. 3948
>>3942 >>3943 >>3944 >>3945 Eeee, Knight writeprincessry!
Anonymous 04/11/15 (Sat) 08:43:22 fbcb63 No. 3949
>>3941 >>3946 this is the work of an enemy [stand]
>>3947 yeah sounds good. I'll look to sorting them out later but its a bit of a pain because I've yet to figure out how to really use GIMP and MS Paint's copy/paste can be kind of hap hazard.
Still might grab that "one of those knights" thing and use that to make associated charts.
Anonymous 04/11/15 (Sat) 08:56:36 fbcb63 No. 3950
okay anyone got ideas for these guys?
Anonymous 04/11/15 (Sat) 09:10:22 1b5254 No. 3952
>>3950 Here's the first statblock I found on Desert
Desert Knight
Stamina: 1
Prowess: 2
Speed: 3
Charisma: 2
Born in the heat of the desert and made a man by the heat of battle you are something of a specialist in the art of swift combat. Trained by the some of the deserts greatest swordsmen and dancers you have combined the art of war and art of dance into a deadly art that both unpredictable and fast.
Weapon: Tulwar: A curved sword mainly used as a one handed chopping weapon, renown for being a better chopping weapon than a Katana.
Weapon 2: Pesh-kabz: A single edged knife that is designed to pierce mail.
Power: Dance of Death: You begin to dance, sword in hand, in a beautiful manner that stuns the enemy in both amazement and confusion, leaving him wide open for an attack. Gain +1 to speed.
Anonymous 04/11/15 (Sat) 09:10:55 1b5254 No. 3953
>>3952 Oh, and that weapon is totally not a tulwar. And he has a shield so that should be changed.
Anonymous 04/11/15 (Sat) 09:13:23 fbcb63 No. 3954
>>3952 looks like a khopesh or some kind of scimitar.
but thanks mang, already got fungal knight's stats on half-chan.
Anonymous 04/11/15 (Sat) 09:35:51 9b7f43 No. 3955
>>3950 I believe desert knight is getting a make-over soon by one of the drawknights.
Anonymous 04/11/15 (Sat) 09:39:08 fbcb63 No. 3956
>>3955 I'll update the sheet if that does happen.
Anonymous 04/11/15 (Sat) 09:59:30 fbcb63 No. 3957
fungus, desert, and valkyrie knight added.
Anonymous 04/11/15 (Sat) 10:00:21 1b5254 No. 3958
>>3957 Don't add any face showing version.
Anonymous 04/11/15 (Sat) 10:01:33 1b5254 No. 3959
God damn it
Anonymous 04/11/15 (Sat) 10:02:32 fbcb63 No. 3960
>>3958 well I added the face version I posted on halfchan, then fixed it with nolips full helm valkyrie knight.
Anonymous 04/11/15 (Sat) 10:04:34 fbcb63 No. 3961
absolute last version of valkyrie knight
Anonymous 04/11/15 (Sat) 10:29:03 1b5254 No. 3962
Tried an update on his weapon icon. If the original drawknight stops by again hopefully he can draw the shield icon.
FelineKnave 04/11/15 (Sat) 10:30:13 fbcb63 No. 3963
Anonymous 04/11/15 (Sat) 11:42:27 9b7f43 No. 3964
>>3962 he's absolutely beautiful
FelineKnave 04/11/15 (Sat) 13:03:15 fbcb63 No. 3969
tentative knight sorting template, unsure of what to add, take away, or otherwise change.
FelineKnave 04/11/15 (Sat) 13:17:49 fbcb63 No. 3970
>>3969 missing stat corrected, tentative rules for new knights
FelineKnave 04/11/15 (Sat) 13:35:47 fbcb63 No. 3971
>>3970 rules from normal knight template added
FelineKnave 04/11/15 (Sat) 13:44:26 fbcb63 No. 3972
first shot at sorting knights by type, tried alphabetically then forgot a few so I said fuck it,
Princess Frankenstein 04/11/15 (Sat) 14:36:57 5fb384 No. 3973
Does anyone have refs for Yven the blue knight?
Anonymous 04/11/15 (Sat) 14:49:13 1b5254 No. 3974
Princess Frankenstein 04/11/15 (Sat) 14:53:29 5fb384 No. 3975
>>3974 >>3974 Thanks, friend
FelineKnave 04/11/15 (Sat) 15:34:21 fbcb63 No. 3976
>>3972 second attempt at sorting inhuman knights
Anonymous 04/11/15 (Sat) 15:34:42 13e1f5 No. 3977
I don't know if we have a stat block for Princess Knight yet, but here we go:
FelineKnave 04/11/15 (Sat) 16:28:47 fbcb63 No. 3980
File: 1428769726391.png (4.09 MB, 4112x5216, 257:326, human knight sorting templ….png )
okay so we have an inhuman knights sheet and a human knights sheet.
Anonymous 04/11/15 (Sat) 18:24:32 989095 No. 3995
>>3980 Peasant and Bash Knight aren't gag characters?
Anonymous 04/11/15 (Sat) 18:42:43 9b7f43 No. 3998
Anonymous 04/11/15 (Sat) 18:50:02 1f57d3 No. 3999
>>3995 They're the most serious characters.
Anonymous 04/11/15 (Sat) 20:15:10 fbcb63 No. 4002
>>3995 they're more serious than black knight or scissor knight
Anonymous 04/11/15 (Sat) 21:47:59 6a22fb No. 4004
>>3980 where's my knigga pointy at
Anonymous 04/11/15 (Sat) 22:09:15 1b5254 No. 4006
Anonymous 04/11/15 (Sat) 22:14:46 1b5254 No. 4007
>>4006 Spruced it up a bit more.
FelineKnave 04/12/15 (Sun) 00:04:05 fbcb63 No. 4008
>>4004 in the gag pile until his power stops being widgety to the point of absurdity.
FelineKnave 04/12/15 (Sun) 00:59:28 fbcb63 No. 4012
>>4007 added to the megalist
Anonymous 04/12/15 (Sun) 02:53:36 0209c4 No. 4016
I feel like doing a Lantern Knight cosplay.
Anonymous 04/12/15 (Sun) 02:55:50 1b5254 No. 4017
>>4016 If you think you can pull one off, I say go for it.
Making Knights More Interesting Anonymous 04/12/15 (Sun) 04:00:18 49ab90 No. 4026
So, Knights are cute and all, but don't really do anything in terms of mechanically interacting with the rest of Tower Girls. Here are some thoughts I had in tying them closer together, and making Knight choice (presumably 'Gen 0') meaningful.
Anonymous 04/12/15 (Sun) 06:39:35 dd4439 No. 4044
Well, it was a long journey, filled with nearly as much erasing as it involved actual drawing, but I finally have Kobold Knight ready. I wish I could say it was all me, but I got my little brother to do the shading (so that I may watch and learn), and golly gee am I happy with it now.
Anonymous 04/12/15 (Sun) 06:45:09 1b5254 No. 4046
>>4026 I'll address this in a bit but, I will add that it's like running before we can walk. That's my TL;DR against this before I write more.
>>4044 Woah! He looks really cool. Exceeded my expectations.
Sketchy 04/12/15 (Sun) 06:50:46 f6edb4 No. 4048
>>4044 What knight are you going to do next?
Anonymous 04/12/15 (Sun) 06:56:51 1b5254 No. 4050
>>4048 Ace, hopefully. For this.
Sketchy 04/12/15 (Sun) 06:57:57 f6edb4 No. 4051
Here's the latest sketch for Merc Knight I'll be getting this to computer as soon as I can.
Anonymous 04/12/15 (Sun) 06:58:04 dd4439 No. 4052
>>4048 I promised some dude last thread that I'd do Ram Knight. After that, I get to my promise to
>>4050 to do Ace and other core knights.
Sketchy 04/12/15 (Sun) 06:59:20 f6edb4 No. 4054
>>4050 Why is Fairy Knight a placeholder? He's fine as is.
Anonymous 04/12/15 (Sun) 07:00:44 dd4439 No. 4055
>>4050 Also I just noticed that MY Arcane Knight is a placeholder. You're not planning on replacing him with Yven, are you?
Anonymous 04/12/15 (Sun) 07:01:00 1b5254 No. 4056
>>4054 >>4055 Placeholder is probably not what you think it is. I'm not replacing those knights. They're just the closest thing I can find that fits the character type. As a reference for artists
FelineKnave 04/12/15 (Sun) 07:02:52 fbcb63 No. 4057
>>4055 >>4054 guys your knights aren't going anywhere, he just wants some basic generic color knights for a core group. they're the next best thing for what he's proposing at the moment.
Sketchy 04/12/15 (Sun) 07:05:06 f6edb4 No. 4058
>>4056 >>4057 Not my knight but if that's the case then that's cool.
Anonymous 04/12/15 (Sun) 07:18:22 1b5254 No. 4062
>>4055 That reminds me. Rolling Thunder said he would do Yven but in case he doesn't would you be cool with Arcane being the actual Blue Knight (his name would be altered but everything else is the same)?
Anonymous 04/12/15 (Sun) 07:30:09 2a9e39 No. 4065
>>4062 Not that dude but frankly arcane knight seems far more fitting than some dude's oc
plus he's got a real name and everything, fuck that yknow
should probably also lay out whether or not the color knights should have their own gimmick in addition to being identified by a color like green and gold, or be about the color first and foremost
Anonymous 04/12/15 (Sun) 07:30:32 dd4439 No. 4066
Alrighty, put a profile on Kobold Knight.
The original concept changed a lot from it's original idea at conception (thanks to input from the peanut gallery, thank you, you handsome devils you), but I'm very fond with the new Kobold Knight. I kind of see him as the Kobold equivalent of the "I'm getting too chivalrous for this shit" knight that may or may not have started this nonsense festival. He sets out to try to make this a quick job- get Kobold Princess, go back to the Guard, grow old, retire. Imagine his shock when he rescues all the wrong princesses- and another knight beats him to Kobold Princess.
I've also attempted to structure him to fill a sort of "support" role. As you can see, when he teams up, he calms down enough to set up for some devastating hits. Definitely the guy you want behind you in your party. When "Panic" is active, we see some of that cowardice that those little kobolds are so famous for. Also, he stops being good at much except running away and talking too much.
>>4062 More than okay with that, actually. I'd like to imagine Yven would fit on a chart of "non-playable" antagonist Knights, anyway. Me and Bro were brainstorming about a band of four bad knights themed after cart suits, who make up a gang that Ace used to roll with before he got too "goody-goody two-shoes" for them.
So maybe that'll be a thing in the future, who knows?
Anonymous 04/12/15 (Sun) 07:40:45 1b5254 No. 4069
>>4065 For the most part they're very independent of each other, just in a similar classification due to having a distinct color, being mostly/supposedly human* or 'average', and likely they might know each other or are implied to. But over time we might make them more in-line with each other.
*It's kind of why copper is a placeholder, not human and a bit too out there for this group
I will say though that Yven works as a blue knight you just wouldn't use his name. I mean his whole gimmick is an obsession with the color blue. We'll see what RT cooks up for us but Arcane Knight is next in line if that doesn't work out.
>>4066 Okay cool, Kobold turned out really well.
FelineKnave 04/12/15 (Sun) 07:41:25 fbcb63 No. 4070
>>4066 >>4044 oh right, both added to the megalist.
Anonymous 04/12/15 (Sun) 07:45:02 2a9e39 No. 4071
>>4069 >I mean his whole gimmick is an obsession with the color blue. that's what i mean, it makes him the odd man out because all the other color knights just have the color as a visual motif, and their actual gimmick is something else. Even Red Knight isn't actually _about_ the color red. Throwing in a character that's just a (in my opinion, super fucking lame) joke about the color doesn't fit with the trends of every other knight on there. If anything, he's more of a joke than most of the knights relegated to the joke chart.
Anonymous 04/12/15 (Sun) 07:45:26 5dc007 No. 4072
Alright so i was looking over the list and despite being my favorite of the knights i designed, something was just wonky with gold knight and i couldn't figure out what,
FelineKnave 04/12/15 (Sun) 07:49:35 fbcb63 No. 4073
>>4072 mega list updated, I think his head looks fine but do what you think is right anon.
Anonymous 04/12/15 (Sun) 07:50:00 dd4439 No. 4074
>>4072 They all have big heads though. What bothers me most is the shoulders/arms. It looks… Awkward. The pose reminds me of a Charger from Left 4 Dead 2.
Anonymous 04/12/15 (Sun) 07:51:41 1b5254 No. 4075
Anonymous 04/12/15 (Sun) 07:56:56 5dc007 No. 4076
>>4074 Good point. In the meantime, yeah fuck that pose. It's the oldest i made and based on a template i struggled to fit it to. If it wasn't 4am right now i'd fix it. Tomorrow.
>>4075 Only the picture is updated. The full card is already on the list
Anonymous 04/12/15 (Sun) 08:14:32 2a9e39 No. 4077
>>4050 updated him to the newer template, but i'd kinda like to revise this guy while im at it. the old flavor and power don't really fit a role as one of the more vanilla knights, although i'm not sure exactly where to go with it. maybe an enchanted girdle, like the story, instead of the spellbook?
Anonymous 04/12/15 (Sun) 08:16:28 1b5254 No. 4078
>>4071 Yeah, I can see what you're saying. But I don't think it's too big a deal to have one guy truly care about the color thing. In fact you could say his snobbishness is why they're being classified at all.
Anyway, I did a quick edit of Arcane and for now he'll be Blue Knight. One reason I was thinking of Yven is because his personality and stats could be different from Red Knight's. I feel that one of those 3 (red, blue,green) should be different and red and green are slow and relatively tanky already. And I think all of them are intellectual too.
FelineKnave 04/12/15 (Sun) 08:18:18 fbcb63 No. 4079
>>4077 enchanted girdle instead of spell book, focus on being a game warden and a woodsman, maybe talk about some overgrown foresty castle I dunno.
Anonymous 04/12/15 (Sun) 08:19:07 1b5254 No. 4080
>>4077 That works. I'll be honest I don't know too much about the story. So if you could give me a quick summary I'll see what I can do. You can kind of make it a lot like the old one. Just nerf it and bring it down to earth a little more. Resilient but not immortal. Mysterious but probably wasn't actually born from the trees, etc. Could even acknowledge this and say his reputation has preceded him giving people inflated expectations.
Anonymous 04/12/15 (Sun) 08:26:16 2a9e39 No. 4081
>>4079 brb googling what the fuck a medieval girdle actually looked like
>>4080 Sir Gawain and the Green Knight, one of the Arthurian tales. Basically the green knight is this magical figure that tests Gawain's faith and devotion by tempting him with woman and fear of death, but in the end it was all an illusion of Morgan's (of course). It's an interesting story mostly about Gawain as a character with a lot of subtext about courtly love, Christian morality & the interaction of Christianity and pagan tradition in ancient Britain, the Green knight likely representing in part the pagan belief system by way of the Green Man & his testing of Gawain' not as a warrior but as someone to abide by his oaths and all that.
however that's really not that important to the design, outside of the homages already present. just going for a more grounded woodman thing with hints of nature worship or something seems like the way to go
Anonymous 04/12/15 (Sun) 09:03:00 1b5254 No. 4082
>>4077 I like the idea about the card suits also like
>>3077 But we have to be careful when it comes to defining Ace in ayway. In fact he's probably the least forgiving when it comes to this. As he is the most self-insert of the knights. Even calling him Ace can get hairy. I was thinking his title would have Ace (The Ace or Ace Errant) in it and his name would be Errant Knight or The Knight.
That being said, we can include that but without outright stating relationships or past. That can be threadcanon or very very subtle implications.
This is probably a good time to sort this all out before it gets messier. So for the "Gen 1" thing we have a King, a Queen, and a Joker or Jack. Although now we do have a Jack in a Not-Protoman form.
I'm thinking he could be a part of the Gen 1 chart as a possible Red Knight if we end up revising Red or something. Or as the Jack or Knave.
Thing is we do have a Jester Knight in the making as well and that's just a bit more obvious as to what it represents. I'm not going to tell you what's best here although I'd like to hear how we should sort it out before I make proposals. Especially since the Jack design is yours/your brother's.
Anonymous 04/12/15 (Sun) 09:05:06 99f8cc No. 4083
>>4080 >>4081 Basically, big green dude in green armor on a green horse rides into the hall on christmas day and proposes a game test kind of thing. (A lot of the arthurian tales start with some random thing walking into all the knights sitting around yapping, or the like.)
The test, in particular, is a getting your head cut off contest. Nobody wants to do it (so arthur's gonna have to do it to be the big swinging dick) but Gawain steps up.
Gawain, not being a moron, asks if he can go first. Green knight says sure. Gawain cuts his head off. Green Knight picks up his head, says "I'll see you in a year and a day" and walks out.
Gawain goes out questing to find this asshole's castle to get his head cut off (maybe) and makes it three days before the deadline, so his host entertains him with three days of awesometastic hunting and feasting, with a subgame that they trade whatever they got that day. While GK is out of the castle, his wife tries to jump gawain's dick. All she gets is a kiss, and trades a kiss for the deer GK bagged. Same the next day, third day the wife gives him the kiss (or three kisses) and a magical not-getting-your-head-cut-off girdle. Gawain trades over the three kisses, but not the girdle. Big Day comes, GK lays him out on the block and jokes around a bit to make him nervous, then actually hits him, leaving a small wound. Gawain gets ready to fight his way out, but GK reveals it's all morgana le fay dicking around again. Gawain apologises about lying about the girdle (and not handing it over as he technically should have) and GK goes "nah, is cool, and totally understandable." They brofist and Gawain returns to the round table with another story.
I'd tack some kind of healing shenanigan on the belt or the power.
Anonymous 04/12/15 (Sun) 09:11:18 1b5254 No. 4084
>>4083 Since the belt is flavor text I'd have it act as a passive shield that makes you very well protected. So it has an oakskin effect and you become as hard to fell as a tree.*
*Very hard if not impossible to do in a short amount of time with battlefield melee weapons, not including the fact that it will horribly damage said weapons by the time you make significant progress through the tree
Anonymous 04/12/15 (Sun) 09:13:51 2a9e39 No. 4085
>>4083 for the most part the items have just been flavor and potential dm fiat, it would probably fit better as a power, the ability to survive one mortal wound or something like that. can also say the power of the belt is reflected in his high stamina
Anonymous 04/12/15 (Sun) 09:28:46 99f8cc No. 4087
>>4084 I like this, but mimics a high stamina anyway.
>>4085 As a power, I'd say maybe restore 1d6 stamina (up to 5) 1/day/gen/whatever we're using for 'time'?
Then toss in a WOODSMAN'S CLOAK that lets him move without impediment or sound in specifically woodland environments. Full on walk through trees because fairy bullshit.
Also voting on joviality, even if he does like beheading people a little too much.
Anonymous 04/12/15 (Sun) 09:32:55 2a9e39 No. 4088
>>4087 so like
+jovial
-jovial about beheading
Anonymous 04/12/15 (Sun) 09:35:11 1b5254 No. 4089
>>4087 It's supposed to explain his high stamina. I'd be careful about things like Woodman's Cloak. Take a look at Blue/Arcane Knight. His sword is like a wand but it doesn't define much beyond that. They're supposed to represent your weapons, shield or armor most of the time. You can get a bit crazier but this is the first row on the chart not far from ace.
Actually Ace is a good example.
He has a sword and shield. That's it. Your weapon, shield, whatever are statistically the same as Ace's despite their appearance. GM fiat and storytelling will make it otherwise but for the most part it can't just be an extra objective power that he gets. Flavor mostly, and not very defined.
Anonymous 04/12/15 (Sun) 09:42:31 1b5254 No. 4090
>>4089 Like so
Oakskin Girdle- An unusual item that acts as your shield and makes you harder to fell than a tree
It can be literal or hyperbolic depending on how you or the GM interpret it. It explains the high stamina and also explains it acts as a shield stand-in of sorts.
>>4088 I like it.
Anonymous 04/12/15 (Sun) 10:22:55 2a9e39 No. 4091
alright, how this lookin
Anonymous 04/12/15 (Sun) 10:28:14 2a9e39 No. 4092
>>4091 oh and pretend i didnt misspell tongues
Anonymous 04/12/15 (Sun) 10:32:17 1b5254 No. 4093
>>4091 Not bad. However, if two of his pros are about his knowledge why does he only have average intellect at best?
Cloak power is okay for now, only issue is that it doesn't tie in with any sort of stat. Not his own, a princesse's, or his future kingdom.
A second negative can talk about his awful speed. Could even compare it to the trees.
Anonymous 04/12/15 (Sun) 10:53:21 2a9e39 No. 4094
>>4093 so watcha think, drop a point out of charisma and put it in int?
yr right about the cloak, didn't really think about it, maybe making it a conditional +2 to speed as long as he's in a forest or maybe just some kind of vegetation? could then make the 2nd negative about him being ill suited to traveling and adventuring in places other than the forest
Anonymous 04/12/15 (Sun) 10:57:13 1b5254 No. 4095
>>4094 >+2 to speed as long as he's in a forest or maybe just some kind of vegetation? could then make the 2nd negative about him being ill suited to traveling and adventuring in places other than the forest Yeah, that works really actually.
Prowess can also afford to just be at 2. But however you choose to distribute stats his int should be 3 at least if you're going to play up his knowledge as positives.
Anonymous 04/12/15 (Sun) 11:02:19 2a9e39 No. 4096
>>4095 i think dropping charisma down plays into the forest hermit thing a little more, but yeah thanks
Anonymous 04/12/15 (Sun) 11:16:46 1b5254 No. 4097
>>4096 Everything seems to be in order, but now my current conundrum.
The color knights are all super slow and trend towards similar stat spreads. We might need to really revise Red Knight in a lot of ways.
Anonymous 04/12/15 (Sun) 11:19:21 1b5254 No. 4098
>>4097 Yeah, looking at it closely. They all have bad charm too. We can't have that.
Green is good as he is but the other two we might need to delve into again and tweak some things. Kind of why I wanted Yven because he would probably be speedy and charismatic. I feel one of the guys on the top row should be this.
FelineKnave 04/12/15 (Sun) 11:24:47 fbcb63 No. 4099
>>4097 did this get posted here?
if not you should swap out arcane knight for the blue knight and stat him up.
we don't have an archer knight one of those core knights should have a bow or a crossbow or something.
red knight (current version) should probably be changed to "miner knight" or something and replaced with a goesfast knight maybe.
Anonymous 04/12/15 (Sun) 11:36:29 1b5254 No. 4100
>>4099 I'm not a fan of those mainly because of the template and pose. I'm really looking for these ones to be polished as reasonably as they can be. So Arcane will stay a placeholder for the time being unless we make him speedier. Of course if Black and Red knight turn out speedier he probably doesn't need to change.
I'm thinking the same in regards to Red Knight. I don't feel it works out for what we have in mind. I'm thinking a good red knight would be a speedy aggressive dumb dual wielding type or a spear user.
I considered Point Knight but his title and theme relies on him being tanky too.
I agree on the ranged weapon. A bow can go to Bronze, Girl, Queen or Jack/Joker.
FelineKnave 04/12/15 (Sun) 11:50:18 fbcb63 No. 4101
>>4100 I don't like Arcane Knight as the blue knight, feels like a downgrade. Then again he isn't mine so what the fuck do I know?
in regards to the generic knights I was thinking they'd serve as a base for better artwork once they have a little flavor for their abilities and weaponry then they could be spruced up a little bit by a kind artknight or one of use could take a shot at improving them.
take yellow there for instance, darken up the yellow, maybe change the grey of his helm to bronze and he'd make a good bronze knight.
at this point you just need to select some placedecent place holders and use them as a basis for your core line up.
Anonymous 04/12/15 (Sun) 11:57:10 2a9e39 No. 4102
>>4101 no, I don't think any of those recolors would make a good standalone design. because it would just be a recolor. why waste that slot with a bunch of faceless goons when you could have unique designs that serve the same mechanical function?
just think about it, what is gonna get people more hyped up or even just more interested, a bronze knight thats a uniquely piece of art with its own flavor (some kinda hoplite looking guy? i dunno there's so much bronze age stuff to pull from) or literally just a palette swap
hey i drew this new knight vs. hey i busted open the hue and saturation window and made this guy to look bronze instead of iron
Anonymous 04/12/15 (Sun) 11:59:14 2a9e39 No. 4103
>>4101 and calling it a downgrade doesn't make any sense to me either since if anything its a boost, it puts him front and center at the top of the card instead of buried among the rest of em
FelineKnave 04/12/15 (Sun) 12:04:27 fbcb63 No. 4104
>>4102 >>4103 meh, I intend to sort them out into something interesting. Would help if we had more knight counterparts to some of the princesses so a "Knights of the Kingdoms" thing could be a thing, or more fluff for the kingdoms.
it strikes me as a downgrade because he was his own thing. Now instead of being Arcane Knight he's the Blue Knight. Instead of being built from the ground up for the core group it's a recolor.
this is your own thing, go ahead and do what you like but what you've done with Arcane Knight is change his name to suit this "core group" whose main theme is colors+card references+a bear and a dragon for some reason.
Even if the knights are semifaceless and meant for self inserting it bugs me that one goes from being a wizard knight to just a blue knight.
also bear knight and dragon knight are just confusing, if the rest are supposed to be relatively normal human knights why are they in there? Where's the logic?
Anonymous 04/12/15 (Sun) 12:07:07 1b5254 No. 4105
>>4101 >>4102 In terms of style I feel they need to be in the sweet spot between a little generic and flavorful. I don't mind making some crappy stat cards so they can get fleshed out and fixed up but the end goal wouldn't be too different than what we have now. I'm gonna be out for a lot of today but I'll try to sort this out when I come back.
Anonymous 04/12/15 (Sun) 12:10:08 1b5254 No. 4106
>>4104 Check the IDs man, you're talking to a different Anon. First things first. The other goal is to display what the chart in general has to offer.
Bear is the gag character. Dragon is a parallel to a Dragon Princess at the end of the chart and is the outright non-human race or special knight. That's kind of why I used "Gen 1" in quotes.
FelineKnave 04/12/15 (Sun) 12:13:31 fbcb63 No. 4107
>>4106 I'd do a rubbing my temples emote or somthing but I dunno if that's frowned on in octochan.
gonna take me awhile to get used to these IDs and stuff.
I suppose dragon knight and bear knight make sense in that respect.
still agree with that sweet spot between generic and unique tho.
Anonymous 04/12/15 (Sun) 12:15:41 2a9e39 No. 4108
>>4104 no. 1: im not that dude, obviously
no. 2:except he doesnt stop being a wizard in any way, he just gets a more general name. if green knight was originally 'forest knight' or something and the name was changed it wouldn't change anything about the character or the character's aesthetic
and your proposed solution is more explicit recolors?? am i reading this wrong or what dude
FelineKnave 04/12/15 (Sun) 12:20:52 fbcb63 No. 4109
>>4108 my proposal is instead of taking a prebuilt knight, changing his name, and slotting him into the core group is to take one of those generic knights as a base, modify it so it's more unique and well, not shit, and then keep it from being too unique.
I suppose my argument is somewhat sabotaged by green knight being based on the arthurian pagan temptation figure who is literally immortal and magical and who laughs while decapitating people and who was written as part of, basically, fanfiction (a good portion of it is literally inserting french characters into british mythology and reappropiating preroman myths for a christian audience)
my beef with Arcane/Blue knight is you look at him and you think "wizard knight"
look at Ace what do you think? "Semi-Generic Hero Figure" is what comes to mind for me.
I think the first thing you should think when you look at the Core Knights (aside from bear and dragon I guess) is "these guys are similar but not too similar" Arcane/Blue Knight has a wizard's hat, a runic wand sword and a spell book.
he's a bit too unique, but again, my personal taste, and neither of us is curating that chart so this argument is kind of masturbatory.
Anonymous 04/12/15 (Sun) 12:29:32 2a9e39 No. 4110
>>4109 no one is any kind of 'official' curator, so the argument is totally relevant, decisions are only happening by weight of popular majority
but anyway the way i see it is that what you want is basically already filled by the white knight in that he's explicitly intended to be the generic starter with a build your own knight option. want a knight that's very close to him but with some slight differences? bam, distribute the stats how you like. the other knights are the prebuilt characters in that they come with their own rigid statlines, gimmicks, and vague personalities
maybe he shouldn't be inline with the others to emphasize that difference
FelineKnave 04/12/15 (Sun) 12:32:03 fbcb63 No. 4111
>>4110 I dunno, maybe. If whatever happens offends my autism too much I can make my own version, you could do the same.
not that important, also not a bad approach to things. I'mma let Coreanon do his thing before I solidify an opinion on that chart.
I should get back to that writing project I started, you have a nice day anon.
Critique Knight 04/12/15 (Sun) 14:55:03 30e5a8 No. 4112
>>4097 Someone is going to have to re-stat Red Knight, he has got 14 points
Anonymous 04/12/15 (Sun) 16:08:23 6a22fb No. 4113
>>4112 >>3884 Little bit steamed no one notices this shit. That's cool, tho.
Anonymous 04/12/15 (Sun) 17:28:28 dd4439 No. 4114
Personally I'm against the idea of rendering Ace as "generic", just because he's the main character. It would make sense if he was the ONLY knight to choose, but we've all gone through such a HUGE collective effort to create this colorful pantheon of knights to choose from. If we made Ace that mind-numbingly boring, there'd just be no reason for him to even exist. It's like, imagine if you're at an ice-cream parlor, and you have a big ol' selection of flavors to choose from- from basic things like chocolate or strawberry or mint, to more complex things like rocky road or moose tracks or whatever. If we make Ace too generic, it would basically be the equivalent of having a "no ice cream" option, in which you just imagine you actually had ice cream, and that's lame as heck yo.
Critique Knight 04/12/15 (Sun) 17:34:00 30e5a8 No. 4115
>>4113 And now it is noticed which hopefully means it will be fixed.
Wagon Knight 04/12/15 (Sun) 17:45:57 829dbb No. 4116
Opinions incoming,
FelineKnave 04/12/15 (Sun) 17:57:32 fbcb63 No. 4117
>>4114 >>4116 we got like 2 or 3 knights who are restarting their lives to make a new one. seems to be a semi-common backstory.
now I'm not saying Ace should be totally generic (and I've always considered the "pick a power from another knight" option to be a copout) but I do like the idea of him basically being "standard hero knight with minor card themes" in his case I suppose a stat boost if other card themed knights were nearby might be appropo but that's just me.
Anonymous 04/12/15 (Sun) 18:17:41 91ce09 No. 4118
>>4078 so does arcane/blue knights spellbook take up 4 wagon slots or does it only hve 4 spell slots that he can spell steal? either way hes the most OP. like rubick stealin yo spells n shit.
Anonymous 04/12/15 (Sun) 18:34:14 6a22fb No. 4119
>>4115 I'm crossing my fingers for a fix.
>>4116 >His design is uninspired Want to throw some inspired ideas my way, then? It's not like I'm not open to suggestions, even if I might not agree with all of them.
Also, I don't see how having themed knights makes them any less unique. Just my two cents, though.
>>4117 Restarting your life is a solid way to justify adventuring (if you've got nothing tethering you, what's stopping you from going out and risking your life for bitches and riches?), but I get what you're saying, and we could do with more colored backstories.
FelineKnave 04/12/15 (Sun) 18:49:10 fbcb63 No. 4120
>>4119 not saying it was a bad thing, we got like 20ish knights by now so it doesn't seem too common compared to everyone else.
couldn't hurt to get a little specific with some other knights though.
>>4118 spell book has 4 slots, lets you steal enemy skills like fireball, groin shank etc. He's the Blue Mage of the knights.
Critique Knight 04/12/15 (Sun) 19:30:53 30e5a8 No. 4121
I'm actually surprised I haven't seen a Shovel Knight yet, it just seems like a missed reference
Anonymous 04/12/15 (Sun) 19:33:34 2a9e39 No. 4122
>>4121 because from the beginning there's been a deliberate effort to avoid characters that are nothing but a reference
FelineKnave 04/12/15 (Sun) 19:37:36 fbcb63 No. 4123
>>4121 references are fine in small doses, even large ones but 1 to 1 copies are kind of gauche.
Anonymous 04/12/15 (Sun) 19:42:05 989095 No. 4124
>>4121 Plunder Knight is obviously and heavily influenced by Treasure Knight from the same game, so.
Critique Knight 04/12/15 (Sun) 19:48:57 30e5a8 No. 4126
>>4122 >>4123 Makes sense but just because everyone is trying to avoid reference knights doesn't mean someone can't make a good knight that is a reference. I didn't mean a rip-off either. Like a spade knight.
>>4124 I wasn't around when Plunder Knight was being made so I never connected the two.
FelineKnave 04/12/15 (Sun) 19:51:36 fbcb63 No. 4127
>>4126 peasant knight has a spade, and one guy made up a shovel princess she's a cute brown gnome who digs for stuff.
so presumably a shovel knight would be a brownish gnome underneath the armor.
Anonymous 04/12/15 (Sun) 20:02:58 1b5254 No. 4130
>>4109 >I think the first thing you should think when you look at the Core Knights (aside from bear and dragon I guess) is "these guys are similar but not too similar" Arcane/Blue Knight has a wizard's hat, a runic wand sword and a spell book. As I'm still holding out for Yven a little I don't think a wizard is entirely necessary for this thing myself, but I would think someone would want a dedicated magic user in such a line up thinking about it now.
Arcane Knight is probably going to end up with the character classes though. Which would be immediately after Dragon Knight
FelineKnave 04/12/15 (Sun) 20:09:48 fbcb63 No. 4131
>>4130 Yven's kind of nuts isn't he?
and I was thinking of taking that mega sorting template I have and arranging all the knights on it in a rough sorting system.
Character Classes, Colors, Face Cards, Races etc.
doing it via stat block is also a thing.
Anonymous 04/12/15 (Sun) 20:28:47 1b5254 No. 4134
So, some people actually seem split on Ace's role. Personally, I think he's there more symbolically because it is true others using the chart would want a different knight as a choice. However, I'm thinking we can characterize Ace but not have one Ace. This would also add a bit more to the vanilla line up and is more in line with a selection of very slightly different variants.
Anonymous 04/12/15 (Sun) 20:30:24 989095 No. 4135
Anonymous 04/12/15 (Sun) 20:38:51 0bad5c No. 4136
>>4134 Eh I wouldn't get too deep in with the "Ace" name. I'm annoyed it caught on since that markdaysaid guy created it.
FelineKnave 04/12/15 (Sun) 20:41:52 fbcb63 No. 4137
>>4135 you're a hoe!
>>4134 could be interesting, would need some art for it though.
makes me want chess themed knights.
Anonymous 04/12/15 (Sun) 20:48:47 1b5254 No. 4141
>>4136 Which is why I wanted to make it a shout out title rather than his name like this example. Although people seem set on it and I feel it would give it its own personality rather than just drawing from that comic. I feel it's a good way to compromise between fleshed out character and blank slate character. Plus card suits are a simple enough theme.
FelineKnave 04/12/15 (Sun) 20:56:16 fbcb63 No. 4142
>>4141 personally I like it, lets see how popular it is.
Anonymous 04/12/15 (Sun) 20:56:40 5eb22e No. 4143
>>4134 Original plan was to have 4 knights, two male, two female, each named after a dice face and a card suit.
So red suits were the girls, black suits the guys. The type of suit determined their weapon.
Ace Spade=Sword
Deuce Club=Mace/flail
Treya Diamond=Spear
Quatre/Katy Heart=Axe
Anonymous 04/12/15 (Sun) 21:06:19 989095 No. 4144
>>4137 No u
>>4134 Honestly, I don't like the idea of mandating that we need to have certain knights on the chart in the first place and think people should just make what they want. But If we're gonna make this a thing, I'd say keep Ace as Ace and give him as little of a backstory/personality as possible.
Anonymous 04/12/15 (Sun) 21:06:50 1b5254 No. 4145
>>4143 I like bits and pieces from that, mainly the weapons but the other stuff doesn't really fit too well with the current knight chart. Like we have a Princess Knight for the regular girl knight role, and we should save later female knights for things like Valkyrie or other unique ideas.
So this one would be a bit more mild
Errant Knight with a separate (ace of) title, a slight change in visual motif, different weapon (possibly), and a unique power. Might square off a section of the chart to put these guys on and say you get two free points to distribute for them too as their stats would be the same and even across the board.
Anonymous 04/12/15 (Sun) 21:13:19 1b5254 No. 4147
>>4144 I feel we have to at some point otherwise there's not much of a point to having a chart. And we'd just distribute the cards among each other. I do think people should make what they want too just that we need something focused, tangible, and presentable. A base, a totem, something we can use to display what we have in mind, etc.
After all, isn't the end game something like Gat's chart? In that case we're going to have to do some other things than just making new knights. Whether it be organizing them, making a very neat template, or hammering out the rules. Else we won't go anywhere.
Anonymous 04/12/15 (Sun) 21:20:48 989095 No. 4148
>>4147 It's never going to be a focused, unified chart like Gats' chart, though, because we have a bunch of different artists with different styles and different ideas contributing. It leads to trying to pound square pegs into round holes, because the only way we're gonna get a 'unified core' is if one single person does the whole block of color/card/whatever knights people keep saying we need. Instead we get stuff like Yven being presented as the 'blue knight' but he's an AWFUL choice for the role. He wasn't ever intended to be a PC, he was an invader, a randomly occurring obstacle. He wasn't ever given a card or drawn in a towergirls style because he wasn't meant to fill that role.
Anonymous 04/12/15 (Sun) 21:34:43 1b5254 No. 4151
>>4148 We can flip that around, nothing is set in stone so it's fine that we're trying to hammer out something, shit, at this point I think I'll just do an original blue knight since Yven and Arcane aren't making people happy. There, problem solved. I feel it's a bad attitude to not try to sort some things out. I mean, the goal is still to make a chart to use alongside the Princesses. At some point, we will have to and it will be a lot messier and we'll likely have different versions here and there but I wouldn't underestimate people accepting certain things by committee. See the helmet rule and statting them in general.
Depends. I mean Green and Gold were done by different guys and they fit in this kind of line up. I suppose it depends on how deep you want the color thing to go or how you're imagining it.
Wagon Knight 04/12/15 (Sun) 21:47:50 3ccb58 No. 4153
>>4119 >Want to throw some inspired ideas my way, then? It's not like I'm not open to suggestions, even if I might not agree with all of them. Just because I don't like the design doesn't mean I have a better one.
Ok. What I don't understand is why he's called red knight and dressed in a red suit of armour but all his text is about rocks and smithing.
Other knights are tied together better under a central idea, they're a steampunk time traveller, a dog, a pirate, a tribal savage, etc. But red knights central idea is he's red and its not even really central.
How do you be red? What is it to be a red knight? Do you just need red on you?
In my opinion Red Knight seems to only exist because there is a white / black / green / blue (kinda) knights. He looks to me like he was made to fit the theme instead of being a character in his own right that so happened to fit the theme.
His text is all set up for a Dwarf Knight.
Anonymous 04/12/15 (Sun) 22:06:56 0bad5c No. 4155
>>4141 Hmm I wouldn't use the Loyal Knight art then, since he's an example of a reward you can get. Not a knight you can pick.
Anonymous 04/12/15 (Sun) 22:15:38 1b5254 No. 4156
>>4155 I know, it's just a quick sample thing since we don't really have a decent Ace /Default Knight card just yet.
Anonymous 04/12/15 (Sun) 22:17:15 0bad5c No. 4157
>>4153 It's really fucked when you realize "Ace" is also wearing red, but is the "White Knight" which further fucks things up since White Knight is ALREADY a reward you can get.
imo "Ace" should have just been the only human knight, and everything else would have used the races already provided by the Princess Gens. Maybe a few other oddities that aren't human too.
Anonymous 04/12/15 (Sun) 22:22:11 1b5254 No. 4159
>>4157 Eh, 50/50 on that. Some of these knights I really like and that'd include scrapping them too. It also gave us room to play with different concepts.
Ace isn't White Knight though. That was just something the guy who started the very very very first chart threw together. I don't think anyone else was a fan of that.
For now let's just call him Errant Knight.
Anonymous 04/12/15 (Sun) 22:52:12 dd4439 No. 4161
I propose we keep Arcane Knight as the "blue" knight, then use the rest of the colors to create a knight-themed typical RPG party. Blue Knight is the mage, Ace is the warrior, now we need stuff like healer, tank, rogue, ranger ec cetra. Then we have the more exotic knights who fit really niche roles, for those who like to deviate from the norm and try something unorthodox.
Critique Knight 04/12/15 (Sun) 23:02:15 30e5a8 No. 4163
>>4153 Red Knight was based on someone's character from another game/story (William the Red I think was the name given)
Everything was based on the character this person played, so to my understanding he is a self-insert knight
Also he was made after Arcane name and was what caused his name to be changed to blue knight and the attempt to make green knight
Anonymous 04/12/15 (Sun) 23:06:22 1b5254 No. 4164
>>4163 >attempt to make green knight He's older than that, was one of the first knights to be created. It's more like the other way around. Red Knight is only there because of his name, but I'd honestly prefer a much different Red Knight.
Anonymous 04/12/15 (Sun) 23:10:23 2a9e39 No. 4165
>>4163 green knight was the first of the color knights, and he was only green because of the story.
damn, looking it up that was drawn almost exactly a month ago
Anonymous 04/12/15 (Sun) 23:24:23 6a22fb No. 4166
>>4163 >self-insert What? Fuck no. That shit's embarrassing, and even if it was a self-insert, I wouldn't put it in a lewd cyoa. Are you Critique Knight or Ad hominem Knight?
>>4153 That's a valid criticism. I did pretty much slap the color on to match the color knight theme, though mid way through I was thinking about just having him be Mul Knight instead of Red Knight since it'd thematically fit better (and I wouldn't have to change his portrait that because I'm a lazy fuck), but I went with it anyways since no one expressed any specific problem with it until now.
Except that one guy who kept saying his shade of red was too bright. That was weird.
That aside, I can change Red Knight into some other knight (probably Mul Knight) and maybe someone else could draw their Red Knight.
Anonymous 04/12/15 (Sun) 23:36:47 1b5254 No. 4167
>>4166 >I can change Red Knight into some other knight (probably Mul Knight) and maybe someone else could draw their Red Knight. That would make things a lot easier, if you don't mind doing that though. I don't want to force you to change him.
Anonymous 04/12/15 (Sun) 23:38:18 989095 No. 4168
>>4157 >imo "Ace" should have just been the only human knight, and everything else would have used the races already provided by the Princess Gens. Maybe a few other oddities that aren't human too. Yeah, that ship set sail a LONG time ago, compadre. We'd have to throw out most of the chart for that now.
Critique (Clearly Mistaken) Knight 04/12/15 (Sun) 23:39:51 30e5a8 No. 4169
>>4164 >>4165 >>4166 It looks like I can't get any of my facts straight Christ.
I haven't been on these threads for too long but I do remember someone posting for Red Knight saying that it was their Knight and posting a back story.
Anonymous 04/12/15 (Sun) 23:46:19 6a22fb No. 4170
>>4169 You're right about Red Knight having the design of a character from a story, and I did give a tl;dr about it, if that's what you meant by self-insert. I thought you meant I was putting myself in the game, though, which is why I said "fuck nah."
>>4167 It's not a big deal for me to do that, but it might take a little while. I've been a lazy fuck as of late.
Critique (Clearly Mistaken) Knight 04/12/15 (Sun) 23:52:13 30e5a8 No. 4172
>>4170 Self-insert was poorly chosen words on my part
Anonymous 04/12/15 (Sun) 23:58:12 6a22fb No. 4174
>>4172 It's cool dude, I'm not that salty about it.
Anonymous 04/13/15 (Mon) 00:09:52 1b5254 No. 4175
So I did a Bronze Knight. I'll just say there's a reason I don't draw, I don't do clean very well. I can't color or do smooth edits, especially with a mouse.
Anonymous 04/13/15 (Mon) 00:18:31 989095 No. 4176
>>4175 A net has potential to be very difficult to draw. If you're not confident in your abilities, I'd say dual tridents. You can potentially cheat a bit by drawing them stowed across his back, though.
Anonymous 04/13/15 (Mon) 01:26:41 84a232 No. 4177
>>3843 got bored, consider this part 2 of this gag.
Anonymous 04/13/15 (Mon) 01:58:28 49ab90 No. 4179
>>4177 Beautiful. I'd love to see a full set.
Anonymous 04/13/15 (Mon) 02:00:29 2a9e39 No. 4180
>>4176 nah a cartoony net should be easy, something really simple & stylized like this
Anonymous 04/13/15 (Mon) 02:13:54 1b5254 No. 4183
Alright here's a go with two tridents. One has him holding the other behind his back like he's posing for it or something. Maybe I'll try a net next.
Anonymous 04/13/15 (Mon) 02:16:59 dd4439 No. 4184
"'Ey laddie, yer mother's dildo just arrived!"
Anonymous 04/13/15 (Mon) 02:20:02 1b5254 No. 4186
>>4184 Loving it so far. I don't know what you could do to improve it. You've even got the battering ram.
Anonymous 04/13/15 (Mon) 02:21:42 989095 No. 4187
>>4184 Ram Knight's looking great!
Anonymous 04/13/15 (Mon) 02:25:57 2a9e39 No. 4188
>>4184 no need to go overboard with the cloth pattern yknow, most of the texturing on all the other knights is really quick n dirty stuff intended to be representative rather than a literal depiction
Anonymous 04/13/15 (Mon) 02:51:18 1b5254 No. 4190
Alright, which one do you think I should go with?
Anonymous 04/13/15 (Mon) 02:57:45 989095 No. 4192
>>4190 Net. Definitely net.
Anonymous 04/13/15 (Mon) 03:09:31 2a9e39 No. 4194
>>4190 net 100%
the trident might also look better if you have him holding it straight up or kinda planted in the ground, as is it just looks like a big fork and not really a polearm
Anonymous 04/13/15 (Mon) 03:12:19 1b5254 No. 4195
>>4194 That sounds like a good idea. First, I'll try messing around with the trident a bunch until it looks much more presentable.
Anonymous 04/13/15 (Mon) 03:14:04 2a9e39 No. 4197
>>4195 making the points (tines?) less curved might help, i dunno
Anonymous 04/13/15 (Mon) 04:48:12 1b5254 No. 4200
>>4197 Everything I tried look more and more like a fork until I eventually got this thing. Hopefully less like a little fork now.
Anonymous 04/13/15 (Mon) 08:11:53 1b5254 No. 4205
And my stats for him so far.
Anonymous 04/13/15 (Mon) 08:29:37 2a9e39 No. 4207
>>4205 i like it, but some thoughts
-the kerning on the text seems kinda messed up, what settings are you using?
-'most battles are just a show' doesn't really sound like a positive
-pretentious is probably not really the best word to use there, but this might just be personal pref
-the bottom flavor text looks better center-justified
and w/r/t to the stats, so he's a braggart who only claims to be a skilled warrior, but when you look at his stats he's actually more skilled than any other knight on the starting chart, so which is it?
speaking of stats, why does bear knight have above average prowess?
Anonymous 04/13/15 (Mon) 08:45:47 1b5254 No. 4208
>>4207 >the kerning on the text seems kinda messed up, what settings are you using? >the bottom flavor text looks better center-justified GIMP 2 default. When I said I don't do clean very well that extends to this sort of stuff too. I'll try fixing it up but don't be surprised if it comes out worse in some way.
Conceited? I picture him quoting all these philosophers out of context or trying to say something meaningful and it sounds meaningful until you take a few seconds to realize he more or less said nothing.
It's just a fancy way of saying he's good at combat, but yeah I can see where it can be a negative. I'll try something else.
Someone confused it for a combat stat and altered it. I will track down the original profile and use that instead.
Speaking of that
It's more like he actually is a skilled warrior but that's really all he is good for. He's pretty shit at everything else, and he's far from the strongest out there.
Looking at it again, yeah prowess represents much more than that. So at best he'd be 2-3.
I think I'll swap his Charm and Prowess. Possibly just make his prowess average (2) and boost his stamina. Which would be better in your opinion?
Anonymous 04/13/15 (Mon) 09:15:10 9b7f43 No. 4210
>>4184 IT'S BEAUTIFUL.
I mean, I can't choose to be a Ram Knight out of pure hatred for my north-of-the-wall neighbours, but it's gorgeous!
Anonymous 04/13/15 (Mon) 09:31:51 2a9e39 No. 4211
>>4208 bam, although this version doesnt have a weapon description (but imo its funnier that way)
honestly I would say just rephrase those two points rather than changing the statline, since he fits a niche that none of the other starter knights do atm. just make it more clear that it's about wisdom instead of 'ways of a great warrior' being a martial thing. or, could generalize it so its like
+ skilled
- not half as skilled as he'd like you to believe
but much more elegantly phrased of course
as for the text i don't know anything about gimp so i can't help there
Anonymous 04/13/15 (Mon) 09:42:21 9b7f43 No. 4212
our time is short, friends.
Do the right thing.
http://strawpoll.me/4112589
Anonymous 04/13/15 (Mon) 09:46:27 1b5254 No. 4214
>>4211 Will give some of that a try. For now, this is what I did while you were hunting down the correct Bear for me (thanks). Is it better? GIMP has a kerning option but it just makes things worse.
Anonymous 04/13/15 (Mon) 09:51:34 2a9e39 No. 4215
>>4214 nah it's not a big deal, just something that stuck out to me a little
id say go with 3 cha 4 prow, but the reverse would be fine too
Anonymous 04/13/15 (Mon) 10:03:08 1b5254 No. 4216
>>4215 Alright sounds good.
So how are the pros and cons at the moment? Are the changes sufficient?
I'll write a few more in this post just so I only have to make one card after.
(Current)
+Claims to be wise in the art of war
-Is not, just misquotes pretentiously
+Claims to have worldly wisdom
-Does not, just misquotes pretentiously
+Claims to be the very strongest
-Actually just a big fish in a small pond
Anonymous 04/13/15 (Mon) 10:04:36 2a9e39 No. 4217
>>4216 the one you've got seems good to me honestly
Anonymous 04/13/15 (Mon) 10:12:44 1b5254 No. 4218
>>4217 Alright, cool. Earlier I said I was going to make a Blue Knight because Yven and Arcane didn't seem to sit well with most people. Anything you'd want in a Blue Knight? Will be collecting some opinions before attempting one.
Theme, weapons, powers? Keep in mind I'm no miracle worker though. Bronze's art is seriously the best I can do with a mouse.
FelineKnave 04/13/15 (Mon) 12:21:34 fbcb63 No. 4219
>>4184 looks excellent
>>4214 I went with 4 prow and 3 charisma but I can change that easily for the megalist.
FelineKnave 04/13/15 (Mon) 12:23:12 fbcb63 No. 4220
>>4218 we need an archer knight so blue could cover that territory. Alternatively we could use a few more spear wielding knights.
FelineKnave 04/13/15 (Mon) 13:06:17 fbcb63 No. 4221
so I made a (really crappy looking) cape for the old elf knight alt form and turned him into druid knight.
Anonymous 04/13/15 (Mon) 13:31:37 1b5254 No. 4222
>>4220 >could use a few more spear wielding knights. Well, here is a Red Knight design and I imagine he's either a spear wielder or a dual wielder. I don't know, which do you think would fit more?
>>4221 Might be cool. Text needs some sprucing up though. If you're using MS paint it's a bit trickier to get it right.
FelineKnave 04/13/15 (Mon) 13:50:08 fbcb63 No. 4223
>>4222 design looks good, any tips or tricks on MS paint text sprucing?
Indonesian Gentleman 04/13/15 (Mon) 13:51:09 4d50f3 No. 4224
>>4222 -Fuck, you crazy
-Fuck son
-Calm down
I like this hothead!
Anonymous 04/13/15 (Mon) 13:56:48 1b5254 No. 4225
>>4223 I just moved on to Gimp because I couldn't make it look good or had to compromise a lot of the time. I would just mess with sizing and if there's a kerning option somewhere I would tweak it. GIMP's not that great when it comes to kerning but it's at least somewhere in the ballpark of correct spacing with its default stuff.
FelineKnave 04/13/15 (Mon) 14:01:15 fbcb63 No. 4226
>>4225 well I messed with text placement somewhat.
and I have GIMP but I have no clue on how to use it, just need practice with it really but for the moment I'm competent enough with Paint that I can do stuff like minor edits and coloring that I can't do in GIMP
Anonymous 04/13/15 (Mon) 17:31:08 7ab907 No. 4236
>>4184 I like it my only real suggestion would be removing the top knot.
Anonymous 04/13/15 (Mon) 18:22:18 1c78e8 No. 4238
Since there's a Trap Princess, should there be a reverse-trap Knight, as well?
Anonymous 04/13/15 (Mon) 20:24:43 1b5254 No. 4247
>>4238 Well, either that's Princess Knight or we're probably not getting one as the fetishy-kind but more like the Mulan kind. It doesn't really work for knights too well imo. Would just stick to normal female knights.
Anonymous 04/13/15 (Mon) 22:26:48 1b5254 No. 4271
Anonymous 07/24/15 (Fri) 23:03:29 10d4ad No. 6181
>>3843
Too much? He's my new favorite knight.
Anonymous 07/24/15 (Fri) 23:14:04 10d4ad No. 6182
>>4236
That's a terrible suggestion.