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 No.32[Reply]

I'm in the process of putting together what I hope will eventually be a comprehensive FAQ on Technocracy and the MTM.

I would appreciate any feedback or contributions. particularly on reading recommendations and the main Technocracy FAQ page.

http://pastebin.com/jpCb9JCU
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 No.2[Reply]

>Videos
An introduction to Technocracy:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5bqPXqYWHlE&t=2570

"It's the Stupid Economy"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T-1cWricfdk

Technocracy 101:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7GbxKim-LjM

>Websites

Technocracy Wiki:
http://technocracy.wikia.com/wiki/Technocracy_Wiki

Technocracy Inc:
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 No.92

>>91

>What is a materialistic-spiritual component?

History has shown that humans have both a natural desire to seek spiritual fulfillment and a love of ceremony.

Historical nations such as Imperial Rome, Sparta, the Byzantine Empire, Imperial Germany, Imperial Japan and the assorted Legalist Chinese dynasties have all demonstrated that a religion/spiritual system that is integrated into the state allows for a greater level of social cohesion then what would be available otherwise.

Materialist-Spiritualism seeks to capture all of these elements common to religions/spiritual systems, while removing the negative fluff.

As the name implies, Materialist-Spiritualism rejects the supernatural and embraces science and humanity.

Simply put, Materialist-Spiritualism is a system of ritual practices (state run), personal exercises (yoga, martial arts), ceremonies (state run) and world view that is designed to promote societal cohesion within the Technate.

The nearest historical example that I could give for a system that is similar to Material-Spiritualism is the Cult of Reason.

>How the heck do you have civic nationalism and globalism?

Easy, just get rid of all other governments - bar the Technate.

MTM Technocracy seeks to unify all of our species under one Technate - it is globalist in the sense that it seeks to encompass all of the world.




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 No.90[Reply]

In the interest of making it easier for people to find topics related to Technocracy.

I will now list some similar boards to /urbanate/:

>>>/th/ - Transhumanism

>>>/tech/ - Technology

>>>/cyber/ - Cyberpunk

https://lainchan.org/

If you know of or own any boards with a similar topic to Technocracy, please link them in this thread.



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 No.3[Reply]

Just sharing a few Technocracy Inc pictures.
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 No.101

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Not a picture, but it is still a real treat.


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 No.80[Reply]

i'm slowly but surely getting alienated from having faith in socialism, let alone communism, ever becoming a reality. i realize it would take so much authority, death and force to make it a reality that you might as well not even bother, and that's coming from an ML. i'm looking into technocracy and tbh it sounds fucking stupid and idealist, but i realize i might not have given it enough of a chance, and socialism is plenty idealist as well. so, i have a few (probably) stupid questions here for someone to help me answer and potentially convince me.

>how do you implement technocracy?

>if there's any way to clearly implement it, how to you intend to develop it out of the framework of our capitalist status quo?

>how would technocracy deal with the perpetually spooked citizens of the world?

>would technocracy be easier to implement than socialism, and if so, how would you convince people to join the cause? is the power of machines enough to control them so that their consent doesn't matter?

>how would technocracy deal with the environment, our planet and how it is already decaying towards implosion and unsustainability?

>can technocracy compete for subsistence against capitalist states? does technocracy even need a clear state to function or is it absolutist?

thanks for dealing with my stupid questions.

 No.81

one more stupid question, sorry!

>is the driving ideology behind technocracy similar to positivism, in the sense that it not only is almost purely about management, but also doesn't attempt to solve problems with theory?


 No.82

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>>80

>i'm slowly but surely getting alienated from having faith in socialism, let alone communism, ever becoming a reality.

Quite understandable.

Dealing with ideologies that are based in politics, rather then material reality is quite tiring.

>how do you implement technocracy?

Their are a number of proposed methods to establish a sovereign Technate.

The more classical method is to simply win an election with a super majority and hold a referendum on the establishment of a Technate.

A much more modern proposal is to first establish a "Proto-Technate" network and grow that to the point that it replaces all of the functions of the existing government.

You can read more about that proposal here:

http://technocracy.wikia.com/wiki/Proto-Technate

>does it need a revolution?

Revolutions are only seen as a method of very last resort, by Technocracy.

Not only are revolutions generally quite violent and destructive, but the resulting governments tend to lack legitimacy.

>do technocrats believe technocracy is predestinated in the eventualm abundance of capitalism?

Technocracy is applied social science.

Science does not believe in predestination.

The only way that Technocracy will come about, is through the hard work and sacrifice of countless men and women.

>the eventualm abundance of capitalism?

Capitalism cannot have abundance.

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 No.95

>>80

The USSR, as well as Communist Chile had proto-technocratic movements.


 No.96

>>95

>USSR

I hope that you are not referring to the government of the USSR itself.

The best that the USSR ever managed to achieve is Veblenism.

Now the early USSR did have some proto-technocratic thinkers, in the form of the Tekologists, but I don't believe that the followers of Alexander Bogdanov could ever be called a movement.

>Communist Chile

I would assume that you are talking about Project Cybersyn.

Project Cybersyn, was quite similar in practice to the inventory control system that a Technate would use. However, Project Cybersyn was organized along Cybernetic lines, not Technocratic ones.

The only countries that I have been able to find evidence of an actual Technocratic movement (outside of the Americas) is France (both Redressement Français and Groupe X-Crise) and Germany (Technokratie).




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 No.70[Reply]

How about this.

 No.71

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Very good.

Quite similar to Technocracy Incs proposal for a functional calendar.

A balanced, continuous workload is extremely important to Technocracy.


 No.72

But this new one is better! It has two advantages.

Vacation period aside, in the old proposal the chance that any two people share at last one free day is 5/7. In the new proposal it is 100 %. It's one thing to be in some sort of long-term relationship so that one submits applications for off days and vacation with that in mind. Sometimes, you want to be able to make more spontaneous decisions. And with this, you know that any two people can have a free day together within a ten-day period.

The number of groups in the new proposal is lower, and since it is easier to find five people who can do a particular task than to find seven for it, that's another advantage.


 No.78

>and since it is easier to find five people who can do a particular task than to find seven for it, that's another advantage.

That'd only be relevant for tasks performed by 7 people or less. If you have 100 workers doing a task, both proposals will have around 60% of the workers assigned on any given day.

I prefer your proposal though, not only it has exactly 60% of the worforce assigned (as opposed to 57.14…% which would be more of a hassle to calculate), the shared free day with any other group would surely be a huge improvement on worker morale and satisfaction when compared to the other proposal.




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 No.16[Reply]

Transhumanist anarchist here. I hope to establish a harmonious relationship with you statist types. So let's discuss transhumanism.

 No.17

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Welcome to /urbanate/ !

Personally I'm an Abolitionist - Transhumanist.



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 No.25[Reply]

What happens if there is a scientific mistake or natural disaster so major that it destroys government coherence and mental desire to cooperate, resulting in revolt that has no immediate solutions? Would it be crushed ruthlessly?

 No.26

>What happens if there is a scientific mistake or natural disaster so major that it destroys government coherence
One of the good things about the Modernized Technocratic Model (MTM) advocated on this board is that the system of governance is scalable. Because of this the only real difference between a MTM Technate the size of a small commune and a MTM Technate that spans the galaxy is the number of committees that make up the government. Because of this scalability, it would take quite an apocalyptic event to destroy the governmental cohesion of an entrenched MTM Technate.

>mental desire to cooperate

Our entire civilization is build upon cooperation. If it were not, then we would still be hunter gathers in Africa.
Every single form of complex, organized government requires some level of inter-cooperation between it's citizens. Technocracy is no different in this area.

>resulting in revolt that has no immediate solutions? Would it be crushed ruthlessly?

MTM Technocracy operates on a Utilitarian morality system.

This revolt would decrease the happiness of both the people in areas occupied by it and of the Technate as a whole (by diverting resources away from the greater Technate and towards this revolt specifically).
Because of this, the only ethically correct decision would be whatever ends the revolt the quickest, without damaging the Technate as a whole.

Those that wish to damage the whole with their own selfishness, do so with great peril.

 No.27

>>26
Thanks.

When I meant refusal to cooperate I meant refusal to cooperate with the established government and related systems, for whatever private reason people may choose to, but you already gave an answer on what the response would be for their actions.



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 No.29[Reply]

Whatever happened to interrupt_00h ?

I used to be frequent poster on the site in 2004.

 No.48

pretty good video. i don't know interrupt_00h though.




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 No.33[Reply]

What does the board owner think of Singapore?

 No.34

>>33
Singapore is very close to the peak that a nation can achieve under modern capitalism.
It should be the nation that proponents of capitalism model their own nations off.

That being said. Because capitalism is the worst form of price system, Singapore could do much better.

Out of all currently existing nation states, I believe that Singapore has the best chance of being the birth place of a Technate. A lot of the things that would be found in a MTM Technate are already in place:

1)
A strong emphasis on multiculturalism.

2)
A emphasis on meritocracy and civic responsibility (Will greatly help integration into a Technate).

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