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 No.80

i'm slowly but surely getting alienated from having faith in socialism, let alone communism, ever becoming a reality. i realize it would take so much authority, death and force to make it a reality that you might as well not even bother, and that's coming from an ML. i'm looking into technocracy and tbh it sounds fucking stupid and idealist, but i realize i might not have given it enough of a chance, and socialism is plenty idealist as well. so, i have a few (probably) stupid questions here for someone to help me answer and potentially convince me.

>how do you implement technocracy?

>if there's any way to clearly implement it, how to you intend to develop it out of the framework of our capitalist status quo?

>how would technocracy deal with the perpetually spooked citizens of the world?

>would technocracy be easier to implement than socialism, and if so, how would you convince people to join the cause? is the power of machines enough to control them so that their consent doesn't matter?

>how would technocracy deal with the environment, our planet and how it is already decaying towards implosion and unsustainability?

>can technocracy compete for subsistence against capitalist states? does technocracy even need a clear state to function or is it absolutist?

thanks for dealing with my stupid questions.

 No.81

one more stupid question, sorry!

>is the driving ideology behind technocracy similar to positivism, in the sense that it not only is almost purely about management, but also doesn't attempt to solve problems with theory?


 No.82

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>>80

>i'm slowly but surely getting alienated from having faith in socialism, let alone communism, ever becoming a reality.

Quite understandable.

Dealing with ideologies that are based in politics, rather then material reality is quite tiring.

>how do you implement technocracy?

Their are a number of proposed methods to establish a sovereign Technate.

The more classical method is to simply win an election with a super majority and hold a referendum on the establishment of a Technate.

A much more modern proposal is to first establish a "Proto-Technate" network and grow that to the point that it replaces all of the functions of the existing government.

You can read more about that proposal here:

http://technocracy.wikia.com/wiki/Proto-Technate

>does it need a revolution?

Revolutions are only seen as a method of very last resort, by Technocracy.

Not only are revolutions generally quite violent and destructive, but the resulting governments tend to lack legitimacy.

>do technocrats believe technocracy is predestinated in the eventualm abundance of capitalism?

Technocracy is applied social science.

Science does not believe in predestination.

The only way that Technocracy will come about, is through the hard work and sacrifice of countless men and women.

>the eventualm abundance of capitalism?

Capitalism cannot have abundance.

Capitalism is a form of price system, a system that relies upon scarcity.

The tragedy is that we have had the technology to achieve effective post-scarcity for decades, the price system has simply maintained artificial scarcity to perpetuate it's own existence.

See the attached webm for more details on this.

>how would technocracy deal with the perpetually spooked citizens of the world?

Humans are no different form most other mammals.

Prosperity and abundance will breed the wonderful virtues of cooperation and societal collectivism.

Pestilence and scarcity will breed the evils conflict and individualism.

Once people see that they no longer have to compete against each other to live a full and happy life.

Harmful artificial constructions that serve to divide our species, will evaporate.

Over a generation of prosperity, they will be forgotten altogether.

>would technocracy be easier to implement than socialism

Technocracy could be fully achieved in about a month after taking power.

All that really needs to be done is an energy survey of the nation and the integration and conversion of the existing bureaucracy and industries.

Given the mixed history of Socialism and Communism, one month of reform seems quite trivial by comparison.

>how would you convince people to join the cause?

Well Technocracy lacks the negative cold war connotations that Socialism and Communism have.

This can be used to scoop-up the people that dislike capitalism, and would have joined a Socialist group, if not for the negative connotations attached to them.

This net is further broadened by the lack of class politics.

Rather then just rely upon one class to form the body of the movement, Technocracy will seek to involve people of every class.

>is the power of machines enough to control them so that their consent doesn't matter?

People are very simple creatures, from a sociobiological perspective.

When given material abundance, security and the appropriate level of socialisation.

They are quite agreeable, happy, maybe even fearful of losing what they have.

You don't need machines to control people when we are already slaves to our biological programming.

Controlling people through happiness is quite preferable to such simple, messy means as outright suppression.

>how would technocracy deal with the environment, our planet and how it is already decaying towards implosion and unsustainability?

The answer will change depending on the model.

The Modernised Technocratic Model (MTM) plans to address climate change in three primary ways.

1) Full conversion to renewables, including all forms of transport (military vehicles excluded of-course). To limit the amount of greenhouse gasses released by human activity.

2) The construction of a series of (individually small) solar shades. To reduce the amount of solar radiation hitting our planet.

3) Atmospheric processors.

To reduce the level of greenhouse gasses already in the atmosphere.

>>81

>is the driving train of thought behind technocracy similar to positivism in its ideological practice

Pretty much, yes.


 No.95

>>80

The USSR, as well as Communist Chile had proto-technocratic movements.


 No.96

>>95

>USSR

I hope that you are not referring to the government of the USSR itself.

The best that the USSR ever managed to achieve is Veblenism.

Now the early USSR did have some proto-technocratic thinkers, in the form of the Tekologists, but I don't believe that the followers of Alexander Bogdanov could ever be called a movement.

>Communist Chile

I would assume that you are talking about Project Cybersyn.

Project Cybersyn, was quite similar in practice to the inventory control system that a Technate would use. However, Project Cybersyn was organized along Cybernetic lines, not Technocratic ones.

The only countries that I have been able to find evidence of an actual Technocratic movement (outside of the Americas) is France (both Redressement Français and Groupe X-Crise) and Germany (Technokratie).




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