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File: 950328a09e37d28⋯.png (1.99 MB, 1000x1183, 1000:1183, BoF_Ryu_Artwork.png)

4fd836 No.14613140

Is Breath of Fire a redpill on the dangers of a multicultural society and the diluting of superior genes through race mixing?

By the later entries in the series the dragon clans are almost entirely extinct and the ones who remain have diluted inferior blood. Similarly the people of Wynlan also suffer the loss of their powers/unique traits through centuries of peaceful crossbreeding with other races.

a80da8 No.14613198

File: 648464020fbbd89⋯.jpg (400.89 KB, 1024x1024, 1:1, katt.jpg)

>implying you wouldn't racemix katt


f295e8 No.14613213

>>14613198

Rinpuu canonically refuses to cuck you even with the future of her species on the line.


4fd836 No.14613231

>>14613198

Only on the side. Preservation of powerful dragon genes would be more important to me in the long run.


88749e No.14613241

>>14613140

No because you're a weeb who keeps trying to inject politics into everything


489bcf No.14613242

>>14613231

Gross. I'd rather my children be furries than scalies tbh.


4fd836 No.14613257

>>14613241

>inject politics

Faggot, I didn't make the games.


000000 No.14613259

>>14613140

Dunno about that but if you were going to ask me if this thread is thinly veiled bait to start a /pol/ ranting thread on /v/, I'd say you're right.

sage you doubleplusnigger, get the fuck back to your containment board


3c0531 No.14613261

Dragon clan power was through genocide, not inbreeding.


3c0531 No.14613267

>>14613261

*DILUTED through

fuck me.


4fd836 No.14613276

>>14613259

Your post does more harm than good toward that.

>>14613261

Why not both? Ryu from the original game gets with Nina and dilutes the royal family's blood while at the same time not siring any full blooded brood.


000000 No.14613279

>>14613241

He's got /pol/ goggles now, so he has to interpret everything in terms of /pol/, like a sophomore writing his high school english essay, only he's stupid enough to actually believe he's being clever with his "insights".


dd536f No.14613287

>>14613257

but you did go out of your way to view it as such and come here telling us of your enlightenment.

>>14613276

not really, it is the eventual fate of this thread.


4fd836 No.14613288

>>14613279

>nobody can tell that I'm a samefag


8851f6 No.14613310

>>14613259

genetics aren't inherently /pol/ but they're also not that much vidya either

so I would see if anons can get this thread somewhere that doesn't lead to race war now


f36969 No.14613329

BOF 1 is redpilled. It's about fighting (((ZOG))).


000000 No.14613330

>>14613310

There's a science board for that: >>>/sci/

You could also check the ###science### tag.


4fd836 No.14613339

>>14613310

How is that entirely my responsibility when obvious butthurt /leftypol/ shitposters had to come in with their autistic screeching before it even got off the ground.


fad883 No.14613341

>>14613279

>/pol/ goggles

>coming from a tornigger

that's rich, it might be time to go back to cuckchan


8851f6 No.14613353

>>14613330

>There's a science board for that:

But they don't talk about dragon genes on there, do they.

Not to mention it was not OP tying this issue to politics in any way whatsoever.

>>14613339

They can't be helped since they don't like either video games nor science.

Unfortunately we don't have the means or vols to properly clean the board and threads.


6dba1b No.14613355

>>14613198

Repeatedly.

>>14613231

BoFII Ryu was already a haft-breed anyway.


931d84 No.14613374

File: c739bb3a3155236⋯.png (64.25 KB, 500x500, 1:1, c739bb3a31552364a63b3c19bb….png)

>>14613140

I don't know. Is it fun though?


4fd836 No.14613375

>>14613355

BoF II takes place after 1, after the Brood had been reduced to maybe a few dozen survivors. Ryu being a half breed also clearly reduced his power as he couldn't even maintain a dragon form for more than a single attack.


000000 No.14613388

>>14613341

The tornigger meme is pretty new but it sounds like "/leftypol/! /leftypol/!" all over again. Incidentally, halfchan's /v/ is a cesspool of shit and you can't tor to halfchan, unless something changed since the exodus. Anyway, quit being a dumbfuck who has to resort to identityfag shit.

>>14613353

>But they don't talk about dragon genes on there, do they.

No, that's definitely true, but no one wants to seriously talk about that. This is like those fucking bioware romance subforum conversations, if the screencaps are anything to go by.

>Not to mention it was not OP tying this issue to politics in any way whatsoever.

Well OP's first fucking sentence is "Is Breath of Fire a redpill on the dangers of a multicultural society and the diluting of superior genes through race mixing?" which, regardless of how politically you wish to interpret it, pretty much has a neon flashing /pol/ sign written all over it in BIG BOLD LETTERS. So maybe he should take his /pol/ shit to /pol/ where it belongs.


4fd836 No.14613413

>>14613388

>nobody wants to talk about it!

>that's why I'm here to the rescue

Go neck yourself you derailing faggot


8851f6 No.14613418

>>14613388

>No, that's definitely true, but no one wants to seriously talk about that.

That's like your opinion, man.

There's enough autism for everything out there.

>B-but OP said-

I really don't care what lingo he uses unless it's something really out of place like koonrunes or cuckchan speak, unless he start talking about how niggers are inferior and basically starts tying in real life issues into my bideo games.

I'd be down to talk about how it can be a bad thing to spread genetics of a powerful race/being and weaken their prowess in next generations when there's bound to be bad times ahead for the world that would require their powers to keep things in order.


8e16e8 No.14613433

>>14613355

Requesting a 56% dragon mutt version of Ryu from Breath of Fire.


000000 No.14613436

HookTube embed. Click on thumbnail to play.

For once, I'm just gonna replay the game again instead of searching for sexy Katt pics. It's honestly been years since I last played it.


d48f81 No.14613440

File: fbb34fd8685b171⋯.jpg (74.75 KB, 518x422, 259:211, bof3goodend.jpg)

It's because humans are the superior species despite what odds appear to be stacked against them, obviously.


8e16e8 No.14613447

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.

>>14613140

All old fantasy games were like that though. The Shining Force II protagonist rejected an elf for a human girl. No species mixing at all.


4fd836 No.14613460

>>14613447

Interesting. I've played SFII recently, but I lost my save around the part where you rebuild on a new coast and hadn't gotten back to it. Anymore examples?


000000 No.14613469

>>14613413

>Go neck yourself you derailing faggot

You made your thread for derailing, nigger.

>>14613418

>That's like your opinion, man.

I'm just saying that autistically working out dragon genetics and reproduction sounds like Bioware romance forum "working out the taste of Tali's sweat" all over again, if someone has that screencap.


a64039 No.14613474

No really though, fuck these forced political threads.


83c587 No.14613477

>>14613447

Even in jap rpgs the childhood friend always loses!


4fd836 No.14613478

>>14613469

>>14613474

>derailing

>only faggots derailing are those screeching about politics boogeyman


000000 No.14613483

>>14613478

Dude, calm your tits, admit you made a shit thread, lurk moar, and move on.


a64039 No.14613486

>>14613478

Never said anything about derailing. These thinly veiled political threads are desperate though. Discuss gameplay faggot.


4fd836 No.14613487

>>14613483

>Dude, subscribe to the narrative I keep desperately trying to spin

Why don't you fuck off?


4fd836 No.14613489

>>14613486

Game lore is being discussed, not gameplay, though anything Breath of Fire would be more on topic than you faggots


a64039 No.14613491

>>14613487

>discuss politics in this thread in accordance to my political beliefs

>STOP TRYING TO SPIN A NARRATIVE!!!

pottery


6dba1b No.14613493

>>14613375

And III takes place way the fuck after that. The brood should be pretty mixed or extremely inbred at that point and they can maintain their dragon form as well as the brood from the 1st or 4th game. So while him being a half-breed would make a good reason that he can only maintain his dragon from long enough to get off one attack, I think it might have just been a change in game mechanics.


c5b8f4 No.14613494

Which breath of fire game should I start with?

3 or 4?


4fd836 No.14613495

>>14613491

You aren't discussing anything about the topic, you are crying about the topic with low effort shitposts and trying to pretend you have the high ground. My only resort is one I hate, which is to filter you.


a64039 No.14613496

>>14613489

>Game lore is being discussed,

In accordance to real world perspectives. Despite this you have no authority over how people discuss in the threads you make. Talk shit get hit retard.


4fd836 No.14613499

>>14613494

You should start with 1, then 2, then 3, then 4, and then stop.


4fd836 No.14613508

>>14613493

In III Ryu was fossilized, so there was no inbreeding for him. Similarly in 4 Ryu and Fou-lou are from way before the time of the game.


a64039 No.14613513

>>14613495

>You aren't discussing anything about the topic

No because the topic is veiled by vidya.

>you are crying about the topic with low effort shitposts

>he said shitposting the board

> and trying to pretend you have the high ground.

I'm not OP so I don't need the highground. If you want to discuss the gameplay to a game along with the lore then feel free. But you already fucked up by acclimating towards current year issues with your post. This isn't polygon. Make your clickbait threads elsewhere.

>which is to filter you.

>which is to use this reddit function on you so I can enjoy my hugbox

Again, pottery.


c5b8f4 No.14613516

>>14613499

I'll try out 3 first then.

I have faith that it aged well since it came out around the same time as Xenogears and that game later on in the story was a goddamn blast.


a64039 No.14613519

>>14613516

Just play in order nigga damn. Why start with 3?


4fd836 No.14613524

>>14613516

3 is probably the best in the series. I personally like 1 the best, but that's nostalgia as its plot is pretty bare and the combat is (particularly bosses) mediocre. 3 has definitely aged well, I'm playing through it right now myself.


6dba1b No.14613528

>>14613508

Yeah, but the town of of brood weren't. And the one you get the Infinity gene from stays in dragon form for the entire fight and so does Teepo. Although I forget if Teepo was suppose to be fossilized like Ryu was.


5787a0 No.14613546

>>14613519

Kill yourself.


ccc7c2 No.14613553

>>14613546

>don't fully enjoy this franchise in full context fam

Eat shit nigger.


4fd836 No.14613556

>>14613528

Well I don't know then, but I do know for a fact in regards to Nina's race it was directly addressed in II by the first Nina.


024f6f No.14613570

File: 530a41b0f001e8d⋯.jpg (12.87 KB, 480x360, 4:3, Mami.jpg)

Did he fuck the peasant girl /v/ ?


000000 No.14613580

>>14613487

Nope. I'm doing just fine here.

>>14613495

Clearly you don't hate it enough.


024f6f No.14613590

>>14613447

Well remembered anon, I still have to play the Sega CD SF so I can finally finish the whole series.


cf93c6 No.14613591

Would like to congratulate /leftypol/ on giving me even more reasons to hate them. Can we please discuss Breath of Fire now without the castrated soy loving faggots having a shitfit?


ccc7c2 No.14613592

>>14613580

Nu-posters can't handle arguments so they pretend you don't exist.


000000 No.14613609

>>14613288

>everyone I don't like is a samefag

Huh, looks like I missed this post. It's cute though.

>>14613592

Then why'd he create a thread for stupid arguments then? If he was purely in it for validation and circlejerking, he should get the fuck out of 8chan, with a quickness.


4fd836 No.14613610

>>14613592

>arguments

Nice joke. Also, I only filter those who are obviously just shitting up the thread. This is why I said I hate to do it, even when its someone as cancerous as that.

>>14613591

It might just be one samefag


8851f6 No.14613613

>>14613591

Well don't give them their (You)s.

There's enough anons who are willing to stay on topic and are talking about the game already.

>>14613610

>It might just be one samefag

I'm very convinced that it is. He may have slipped up in one reply by replying with another ID.

Just keep to the topic at hand and keep your replies for anons who aren't shitposting.


9878e3 No.14613624

It just is the logical conclusion of interbreeding races, special characteristics dilute. Multiculturalism is xenophobia for people who hold openness as a virtue but do not possess it.


93bf60 No.14613656

File: 42996e4ea44f3cb⋯.jpg (157.85 KB, 510x700, 51:70, BoFV_Cyclops.jpg)

>>14613499

> and then stop.

5 is a good game, just one where the devs wanted to try something different. I hate to see it get overlooked just because it deviates from the mold.


e38173 No.14613678

>>14613656

5 should have been marketed as an spin-off and nothing would have gone wrong


000000 No.14613692

>>14613613

>I'm very convinced that it is. He may have slipped up in one reply by replying with another ID.

We're reaching levels of delusion off the charts here. I find this shit hilarious because I know for a fact that this is not a samefag and I can tell you right now that the whole reason why I torpost is because I don't want my own IP to touch the boards and I'm too stingy/lazy to set up a proper VPN. If I had a dozen IPs to rotate through for your elaborate samefagging fantasies why the fuck would I bother with onionposting? Because I enjoy crippled posting where I can't use reaction images?


432bbd No.14613714

>>14613339

Make a less shitty OP next time.


48896a No.14613809

File: 96dc501e88fa972⋯.jpg (189.28 KB, 707x1000, 707:1000, you must be tired.jpg)

>>14613279

you want to analize a JRPG with the /pol/ goggles on

Try Persona 5

>Game about anons fighting corruption and being slandered by the media

>First enemy you fight is Moloch

>4chan's clover logo is in Ann's hoody

>Boss 1: pervert who wants to rape blonde girl and get rid of blonde boy

>Boss 2: relativist artist who fancies himself as the gate keeper of the artworld

>Boss 3: greedy banker who can't stop rubbing his hands

>Boss 4: a golem made in the image of a girl's mother who wants to sacrifice her own child

>Moonman shows up as a random enemy in that level

>Later Futaba, whose dungeon was Egypt themed, namedrops "Kek" in a comversation with the game's Wojak

>Boss 5: evil CEO who exploits his employes

>Boss 6: stronk independant womyn who needs no man

>Boss 7: doublefaced psychotic liar with long nosed mask

>Boss 8: Hilary Klinton if she was Steeven Armstrong

>Plot twist: the long nosed man who pretended to be your friend betrays you

>Final boss: Abrahamic looking deity hellbent on enslaving mankind and destroying the world

If leftards can put their idelogical googles to overanalyze everything so can rightards

they won't stop doing it anyway so we might as well just do the same as a counter argument


4fd836 No.14613813

>>14613656

5 might be a good game, but it isn't a BoF entry that interests me. The setting depresses me and it has the worst Ryu. For the topic at hand it is relevant though, since dragon genes are extinct in it.


48896a No.14613819

>>14613809

one more for the road

>final dungeon is a communal communist palace where people willingly lock themselves in a cage ignorin the realities of the world outside


000000 No.14613898

>>14613809

Persona 5 is so overwrought and stupid in its plot/setting that trying to take that shit seriously and analyzing it in depth is probably just going to be headache-inducing. The imageboard pandering crud was legit cringy. I think in the end that was one of those games where everyone agreed not to take that shit too seriously, which is kinda funny because Persona 3-5 were pretty big on having a "moral of the story" they were trying to teach you. P5 just went full-retard. It also underdelivered on its concept. For a bunch of thieves you guys don't do jack of shit real theft and the gameplay doesn't do anything on that end either. Very disappointing execution of its concept, plot, and everything really.


48896a No.14613921

File: 1e852275d84dffd⋯.png (Spoiler Image, 204.47 KB, 1200x1200, 1:1, kaneshiro merchant.png)

>>14613898

>For a bunch of thieves you guys don't do jack of shit real theft and the gameplay doesn't do anything on that end either

true dat

i was disapointed with that, but not with the game or the dumb plot

Persona had always been seinen animu but you can see how it graduallu gravitated toward shonen animu with each sequel

i actually liked it more for it's retarded plot and shameless fan srervice, it's a comfy game

but you can't deny pic related


6f84ab No.14613928

>>14613678

>and nothing would have gone wrong

I would argue that people still wouldn't have played it, it just would have not had the title of "game that killed the franchise". BoF6 could have had that title.

>>14613898

The phantom thieves are the most unbelievable group of thieves I've seen. Ryuji would have been slapped every time he loudly proclaimed that he was a member of the group as well as him lamenting that wants to use the groups fame to get laid.

Mishima would be dragged into the shadow realm and left for dead because why do we as a group need to advertise?


f295e8 No.14613948

>>14613656

If it deviates from the mold poorly, it's a bad game.

The system is just a bad one to use for a story based RPG. It worked great when they used it for dead rising, but for 5 it just didn't work and undercut so much of the gameplay and narrative. There are so many choices in gameplay, story and even character design that are centered around its odd 'restart the game' system that subtract from the experience overall.

I'd be much more forgiving of it and willing to accept it as an odd attempt had it not directly killed the franchise. BoF was my favorite RPG and we never got a game after DQ and we never will.

NEVER!


000000 No.14613956

>>14613921

>i was disapointed with that, but not with the game or the dumb plot

In P5 your characters were thieves in name only. What a load of bait-and-switch marketing. The entire game pretends to be built on the premise that you are playing as a group of thieves stealing from the rich and powerful to set things right, but instead you're just magically brainwashing people into seeing shit your way with a solid dose of popularity whoring. The original concept was interesting but they had to ruin it. I think they shat over the persona setting too, but I guess they can reboot the universe using the logic from P1-P2 or SMT.

>Persona had always been seinen animu but you can see how it graduallu gravitated toward shonen animu with each sequel

That was really disappointing tbh. But they smelled the money and chased it. They also went full-on pander mode.

>but you can't deny pic related

I legit never noticed anything to do with that. Then again I wasn't paying much attention.


48896a No.14613996

>>14613956

>The entire game pretends to be built on the premise that you are playing as a group of thieves stealing from the rich and powerful to set things right

>but instead you're just magically brainwashing people into seeing shit your way

>I think they shat over the persona setting too

How exactly?

first Persona game i played was 3 and ever since it's always been about teenagers going to helldimencion to fight pokemon with their jojo powers, to solve dis or dat apocaliptic bullshit tha's often the final boss

I wasn never expecting them to be real thieves in the real world, it was obvius that was helldimencion in every single trailer, i'm disapointed that the whole thief shit was wasted in the gamplay departament


6f84ab No.14614026

>>14613996

>How exactly?

Not that guy, but Persona 1 and the first part of Persona 2 do have you playing as teenagers the setup wasn't so cartoonish. The games never used a hell dimension as a basis for when you can use your powers as the games had you running around the real world fighting demons.

Also, the Persona 2 duology established a far more grounded and mature tone to the apocalypse with Persona 1 being a more personal tale given the nature of the cause of it. Persona 1 however, was still caught between being a mainline SMT title, and establishing the unique nature of the series that was started with SMT …if. Persona 2 gave the series it's own identity by sacrificing some things and adding others, but then Persona 3 was another drastic paradigm shift as the series went more for the J-pop crowd among other changes.


f3b856 No.14614029

File: fe17d9eb2a8615a⋯.webm (1.18 MB, 634x360, 317:180, What you just said - Is t….webm)

>>14613656

The devs didn't try something different, they tried EVERYTHING different. They swapped around nearly everyhting that made the series: the gameplay, the setting, a silent protagonist of the dragon clan, the princess of the winged clan, the town building, the faeries, they even took out fishing which has been in the series from the start. In addition to this, they crowbared in the D-Meter being a sword of Damocles hanging over your head constantly, needing save tokens to save your game, plotscenes that're locked off until you play through a second-plus time, and a post-game speed rating all in the name of forced replayability that nobody who liked the series to that point asked for. Breath of Fire 5 is a fucking travesty of a sequel and a blasphemy of the series, so much so that it killed it for a decade until it got necrophilia'd for BoF6, which is mobileshit and therefore somehow worse.


48896a No.14614147

>>14614026

>in P1&2 the games had you running around the real world fighting demons

so, "shitting over the Persona setting" is complaining about something that changed 3 squels ago?

i get why people are angry about but it's a little late by now


6f84ab No.14614205

>>14614147

>so, "shitting over the Persona setting" is complaining about something that changed 3 squels ago?

It's not as simple, it's that the change that Persona 3 brought was radically different from the previous 3 installations but it could have led to an interesting series but unfortunately it led to the current state of affairs. Social Links and the calendar setup were major systems changes along with the dungeon crawling revolving around procedural generated dungeons. The loss of the original velvet room attendants, the loss of Philemon's overt presence, no Nyarly, partitioning off exploration to a single generic area. There were a lot of deviations. The change in theme, significance and implementation of Tarot iconography, the concept of the main character's Tarot affinity, loss of party synergy. Persona 3 was a major overhaul.

Now it depends on who you ask as to whether or not the P3 experiment was successful. But then comes Persona 4 with arguably the worst and most cashgrabby setup so any good faith that a long time fan might have had going from P2 to P3 would likely disappear.

Then comes Persona 5 promising some return to form. Dungeons are tailored, the plot claims to be returning to some of the old ways, and it's supposed to have a stronger message like the earlier games did compared to how P3 and P4 handle their subject matter. The problem was people trusting Nu-Atlus when it's already regurgitated stuff like SMT 4/A which showed they don't have anyone on staff that understands what made a particular game line resonate with the audience.

So the end result is that Atlus fans who had been around since the PS1 era, and those who might have played translations of their SNES, Sega Saturn, or GBA works entered into the PS2 era which had some incredibly strong titles and then we get to Persona 3 which marked a change in the companies design philosophy. It's less to do with just the persona franchise, and more to do with how the company changed once it achieved greater success given the financial success of Nocturne, DDS, and to a lesser extent the Raidou games.


48896a No.14614296

File: b3d177a0f833e9d⋯.png (Spoiler Image, 155.89 KB, 500x405, 100:81, 21039924_1730350737266660_….png)

>>14614205

>TLDR: P3 is TLOU of SMT

devs will always chase the shekkel and Atlus makes animu games so it's obvius they will gravitate towards the genere that harverst the most shekkels… waifu bait shonen

i like that silly brainles stuff more than the deep sad shit there was in P3 so from an old SMT fanboy's perspective i'd be the noob/normalfag who shat it all up with his shit taste…

feels kinda bad to find out you are what you hate…

find relief in knowing that i'm suffering just the same in le current year vidya industry

karma's a bitch


d5392d No.14614303

>>14614029

>>14613813

Still, Dragon Quarter is an excellent game on its own merits, MUH SEQUEL aside. Hell, it is probably the best game in the series as aggravating as this can be for fans of early entries.


8d3e11 No.14614319

So I know that BoF 4 is horribly censored. But I also know that it was released on PC worldwide. So my question is, has anyone tried to patch in the censored content from the Japanese PC release into the western one, or English text into the Japanese one etc.?


4fd836 No.14614345

>>14614303

What makes it 'probably the best', in your opinion?

>>14614319

BoF 4 is horribly censored? That is something I didn't know.


432bbd No.14614366

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.

>>14614345

>BoF 4 is horribly censored?

Not really.


7ee7bd No.14614398

>>14614303

>Hell, it is probably the best game in the series

>Nothing even remotely representative of the series

>Cheese-or-die combat

>Vague themes and heavy-handed dialogue

>Shit aesthetics and no sprites

>Crap music

>best game in the series

This is your brain on contrarianism. And cocks.


432bbd No.14614407

>>14614398

Don't forget getting rid of the cute fairy village and replacing it with a boring ant colony


6f84ab No.14614440

>>14614296

Just explaining a perspective on why some people still lament the change in series direction. A lot of people jumped on the Atlus ship during the PS2/DS times so they have a different perspective as well.

I personally enjoy P3 a lot but seeing the legacy of some of it's ideas, and the lack of development on negative consequences for Social Links in particular. Yeah, it became a Visual Novel waifu simulator in that area. The fool arcana is something I just loathe as having one character that can swap persona spat in the face of the original games and killed the complexity of the party configurations and the narrative/mechanical importance of pretty much everyone.

It's like how in SMT IV, you don't have 6 party slots and the Law/Chaos hero and Heroine are these vestigual entities attached to your party. The entire weight of having a person travel with you is lost when they only exist in cutscenes.

>>14614029

> they crowbared in the D-Meter being a sword of Damocles hanging over your head constantly,

That was a deliberate decision since the game is about you losing control, enforcing actual tension as you clawed your way to the surface, all while also balancing the player's access to the single most powerful ability in the game. Likewise, the game is built so that you can replay it in smaller loops, the cutscenes you complain about are largely optional as the story doesn't change with their addition, you just gain a little more information for things you can already figure out if you play it in one go. Those cutscenes just allow for players doing multiple runs to have some differences beyond just enemies changing.

>a blasphemy of the series

It's different, it tries new things, but it does it well and the only real complaint is much of what I'm arguing happened with Persona 3. Old fans not liking the changes that happened. Only BoF was from Capcom and was already a niche franchise within a larger company and not a major production from a smaller studio so instead of the Devs getting a chance to even try and refine their new formula as another BoF title. They went on to work on Dead Rising and BoF ceased production.

Given what we already see happen with Final Fantasy, Persona, Phantasy Star, and so many other long running RPG franchises. I'd think fans would be happy to have 4 solid titles and 1 cult classic with only a shitty mobile game that never saw the light of day in the west as the true black spot on the series.


4fd836 No.14614441

>>14614366

A pity, but not enough to ruin the game.


432bbd No.14614452

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.

>>14614398

Also some of the music was good.


3c0531 No.14614457

BOF4 makes all questions of Dragon clan genetics moot. The endless are just that.


432bbd No.14614473

>>14614457

The Endless are different than the dragon clan.


e38173 No.14614497

>>14614457

Deis is also an Endless you fag


a80da8 No.14614515

File: 9bdcfa62a88551f⋯.png (330.13 KB, 640x480, 4:3, absolutely disgusting unde….png)


086db7 No.14614537

File: 7998a29b13d36c3⋯.png (360.02 KB, 600x600, 1:1, absolutely degenerate.png)

>redpill

>>>/reddit/


a80da8 No.14614562

File: d58d9a6e5ade83b⋯.jpg (50.7 KB, 618x314, 309:157, gaming-breath-of-fire-scre….jpg)

Breath of Fire 6 is the best in the series prove me wrong newfags.

Pro tip: You cant


f295e8 No.14614580

>>14614562

lol, that never actually existed.


432bbd No.14614590

File: bad80db646e668a⋯.jpg (49.8 KB, 752x440, 94:55, 85d2d29ad2526440194873b217….jpg)

>>14614562

DELETE THIS


48896a No.14614594

File: 451aab5b49082d7⋯.jpg (35.76 KB, 625x626, 625:626, 4FWPNJF.jpg)


97a539 No.14614598

File: b97ca9dac665175⋯.png (597.82 KB, 640x427, 640:427, Maki Sonomura img.png)

File: ce627df16684ea4⋯.png (61.64 KB, 520x700, 26:35, yhvhface.png)

>>14614026

Speaking of Persona, friendly reminder that Maki is the best girl and provides the biggest red pill in the series.

>Ideal world

>Removed the hospital but kept the clinics

>Removed the police station but kept the arms stores

Back in the original trilogy days, Persona was undeniably one of the most red pilled series in gaming. Second only to the gloriously anti-zionist mainline SMT.


014718 No.14614626

>TFW no Breath of Fire game about birb girlfriend fighting over your heart and dragon loli nee-chan fighting over your dick for superior genetics.


a80da8 No.14614645

File: ec5830c3bd2c07b⋯.png (1.98 MB, 986x1378, 493:689, waifu emblem awakening exp….png)

>>14614626

Try the new Fire Emblem fam


39fc7b No.14614995

4 and 5 were trash.

2 is best.


39fc7b No.14615003

>>14614645

That looks awful.


116a13 No.14615024

I really liked the opening part of BOF3, I really did not see that twist coming. Lots of comedy there too.

>>14615003

Fates was even worse

But then we got echoes to make up for those 2 shitstains


a80da8 No.14615040

File: 5605d641b49ebeb⋯.jpg (35 KB, 638x413, 638:413, ramsay approves.jpg)

>>14614995

real nigga opinion


771c0c No.14615143

File: 6a5282916c1bbed⋯.jpg (168.19 KB, 1033x679, 1033:679, Mah Nigga 1467304842694.jpg)

File: 11114029126e8b5⋯.jpg (225.22 KB, 800x600, 4:3, !1287873137699.jpg)

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File: 5f1fe58d123937b⋯.jpg (51.64 KB, 533x800, 533:800, 5f1fe58d123937bdef65dfd498….jpg)

>>14613198

>>14613213

These niggas know whats up


b260c3 No.14615167

>>14615143

But Boris, where is puss puss?


4134d7 No.14615195

File: d991da1590c2e70⋯.png (62.06 KB, 256x224, 8:7, like a tiger.png)

>>14615143

She actually fucks like a tiger.

Because she has a tiger pussy.

Her lower half is a tiger.

that is the joke


771c0c No.14615197

File: 27e4b75d332fadd⋯.png (806.97 KB, 1200x1200, 1:1, !!!0fead4520242ccec28faa7f….png)

File: 5715d457d3c9595⋯.gif (116.75 KB, 511x725, 511:725, 1b106ca249cd43495c56ba64bd….gif)

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File: 72b9667f5799b3e⋯.jpg (101.57 KB, 538x815, 538:815, 72b9667f5799b3e03ef3d91c9c….jpg)

>>14615167

Vladimir, stop drinking head of vodka it will make you blind! Puss puss is right in front of you.


a80da8 No.14615199

File: 38c45ba6fcaaaf5⋯.jpg (42.72 KB, 516x639, 172:213, Arche Tiger.jpg)

>>14615195

>SNES version

If you aren't playing it on the PSX then you're doing it wrong


432bbd No.14615202

>>14615167

cat cloaca


086db7 No.14615217

>>14615199

while I generally agree there are particular qualities that I like better about the SNES version that are missing from the PS1 version of Tales of Phantasia. But I image we can both agree the GBA version is garbage.


4134d7 No.14615226

>>14613570

If I recall he was immortal or something.

If you go throughout the centuries you will bang more then one peasant girl, be honest.


1a0a86 No.14615247

File: 193cc3997e73165⋯.png (192.17 KB, 380x380, 1:1, Breath of fire Zog.png)

>>14613329

You get a (You)


a80da8 No.14615276

File: 55f5e6e679e1c4e⋯.png (36.67 KB, 402x436, 201:218, Todd Howard Persona Villai….png)

>>14615217

My first time playing was on GBA….


f295e8 No.14615290

File: fd20b66f4c57417⋯.jpg (132.32 KB, 720x1280, 9:16, 101be517d4fae3fe4e5e964ed9….jpg)

File: 49819b60829c294⋯.jpg (385.06 KB, 963x800, 963:800, 60331138bb8d46f1fb1c0246bb….jpg)

File: a92e8d1eee67955⋯.jpg (509.39 KB, 547x800, 547:800, 1371947482828.jpg)

File: 52eaba92e8bc22f⋯.jpg (163.82 KB, 600x685, 120:137, 1371958281196.jpg)

>>14615197

Katt threads are best threads.

Plus one underappreciated cat.


3a6f41 No.14615402

dragon quarter was about the mythical 1/4 dragon bloodline wasn't it? I've beaten it without resetting & I cannot for the life of me remember the story. Something about being born with an affinity with linking to the dragons? I remember that people with lower "dragon affinity" lived shit lives, but that gets thrown out when a "low D" gets gifted dragon powers. They also artificially link a person with a dragon late on in that game too.


9eab6d No.14615543

File: 534fec6feabbfed⋯.jpg (19.06 KB, 350x350, 1:1, _commission__katt___party_….jpg)

File: 060f0e4a5b94cc5⋯.jpg (527.2 KB, 957x1000, 957:1000, 2da5cf2774654af6bc409da557….jpg)

File: 0141f59e51b1b8e⋯.png (435.75 KB, 600x800, 3:4, 1402176888670.png)

File: 5f1fe58d123937b⋯.jpg (51.64 KB, 533x800, 533:800, 1430713742746-2.jpg)

>>14613198

>>14615143

>>14615290

Fuck yeah my niggas, Katt best girl


e85115 No.14615554

No it's just a generic jrpg about killing slimes.


3c3aa7 No.14615718


a64039 No.14615765

>>14613610

> Also, I only filter those who are obviously just shitting up the thread.

So you made a thread for people to shit up.


7b6abf No.14615778

File: 69d37ebdd2a9caf⋯.png (475.79 KB, 614x981, 614:981, BoFIII_Rei_Artwork.png)

I've always thought Rei was neat.


c11973 No.14615870

File: bc60af6419971c3⋯.jpg (247.26 KB, 800x800, 1:1, katt___comm_by_izra-d7yjaa….jpg)

>>14615543

>saving thumbnails.


7ee7bd No.14615950

>>14615778

He's a bro, his character and arc was interesting, and he was pretty OP in combat. Infinitely better than the loser that replaced him.

Ryu Rei Garr best bro team prove me wrong. Garr fucking sucks don't use him.


4fd836 No.14615990

>>14615778

Rei is awesome. Spending years working to avenge is friends. Unlike shit Momo who barely even remembers her friend and fucks off to work on her daddy's GMO machines.


b80766 No.14615991

>>14615778

I thought it was muscular Lisa Simpson.


f272b7 No.14615998

File: 4182fecdd5d9655⋯.jpg (21.76 KB, 364x490, 26:35, 023709_6053502.jpg)

>>14615991

I can't unsee it now


6f84ab No.14616189

File: f80977cbc05e814⋯.jpg (1.14 MB, 2000x2832, 125:177, BoF-Sample.jpg)

Wonder if this will ever get finished.


79f2b0 No.14616206

File: e4c58efc2f0f7c4⋯.jpg (2.7 MB, 2200x2000, 11:10, Wrong township motherfucke….jpg)

>>14616189

Looks fairly complete as it is.


e38173 No.14616362

>>14615950

I'm about to do a Ryuu Nina Garr run, cause anything else is too op for this game. Is there any rebalance hack floating around?


7ee7bd No.14616514

>>14616362

>Nina

It's a shame she becomes trash post timeskip. She was really cute and useful in the childhood arc, but for whatever reason she just didn't make it.

There was a hard mod rebalance in the works a few years back on the Insane Difficulty site, but after checking it out just now it seems like it is in indefinite hiatus. Such a shame, since that'd be just swell and would immediately draw me in for another replay.


e38173 No.14616553

>>14616514

Yeah I was looking at that one and it seemed really neat, it's a shame.

I'll be using Nina just for a challenge and since I like her so much in that game, the game's easy enough to win with any party


d5392d No.14616989

HookTube embed. Click on thumbnail to play.

>>14614345

>Thematically focused like a motherfucker instead of being a mishmash of loosely tied concepts

>All battles actually mean something, instead of being useless padding. Even the most low tier of mooks can fuck you up by squandering your limited resources so you always need to be aware of what you are doing instead of auto-attacking half asleep through random battles like in the previous ones (or most JRPGs, really)

>Almost no fat that could be cut, it is a JRPG with good pacing would you look at that

>Game is as easy as you want by cheesing most of the systems, but can be very challenging if going for a 1 cycle 1/4 + kokon

>Dragon transformation is more powerful than ever, but also means something mechanically besides "lol chosen one be OP with no drawbacks"

>Amazing soundtrack

BoFV isn't even my favorite (I like 4 better), but it is a great game and I wouldn't deride people that think it is the best one in the series. I think it would be praised by a lot of diehard BoF fans if it wasn't named as a BoF as much of the hate the game gets is that it is just too far removed from the other ones. V gameplay is much closer to a Sweet Home/Parasite Eve survival game than a BoF and I understand that if you played it expecting another BoF you were assured to be massively disappointed. But throw your expectations of what BoFV should be and you'll find that it is a very good game with a lot of solutions to problems JRPGs have in general (such as pacing and combat).

>>14614398

>Crap music

Well, you don't have to rub your shit taste in my face anon. >>14614452 is amazing and there are many other great songs in it. The Industrial/EDM vibe fits the game like a glove.


67a993 No.14617018

It was always about the (((western civilisation))) threatening ancient japanese culture.


a80da8 No.14617221

File: 68e9145b4e782ae⋯.png (1.18 MB, 1214x822, 607:411, OH JOE ROGAN.png)


2b908f No.14619154

>>14613140

The stronger genes always win anon…


ba4d67 No.14619423

>>14616989

>I understand that if you played it expecting another BoF you were assured to be massively disappointed. But throw your expectations of what BoFV should be and you'll find that it is a very good game with a lot of solutions to problems JRPGs have in general (such as pacing and combat).

Ironically I played V before I even knew BoF was a series and loved it, then went back to try the other games in the series much later and couldn't fucking stand them. It really should have been a different series entirely.


a194c8 No.14622671

>>14614598

the ideal world through the eyes of an inmature, comatose girl.


6f84ab No.14624957

>>14619423

Had a similar experience. BoF5 was my first and then I looked back. I think 3 and 4 are still good games but I've been unable to finish 1 or 2 and I'll probably just start over using the fan translations instead.

I'd still put 5 as my favorite in the series though despite how different it is.


6235fc No.14626199

>>14613140

>Is Breath of Fire a redpill on the dangers of a multicultural society and the diluting of superior genes through race mixing?

Take your meds polyp.


10acea No.14626275

File: 735a56127873862⋯.mp4 (547.04 KB, 492x360, 41:30, 735a5612787386259c1bb14013….mp4)

>>14614029

>they crowbared in the D-Meter

The whole game was built around the concept of D-Meter, and you would have to be of bad faith to argue that it was implemented as an afterthought.


4fd836 No.14626355

Why is it that in every BoF game party formations get altered after story segments? I'm not talking about when a character leaves the party, or is necessary for a segment at hand either, but where the order of the party and who is in the battle formation changes for no reason. BoF is the only series that does this off the top of my head, and it has always annoyed the shit out of me.


793653 No.14626372

>>14617018

First two weren't. 3 definitely is though.


db6515 No.14627091

File: 2677e2de13e6aad⋯.jpg (43.87 KB, 400x429, 400:429, 2677e2de13e6aad7d495ff0065….jpg)

>>14626449

>>>/blackpol/


f3b856 No.14627289

>>14626275

Maybe 'crowbarred' isn't the best term; perhaps what i should have said was 'retarded fuck-knuckle function they needlessly shoved into a game for a series that had nothing like that up to that point and that no other game, barring perhaps Dead Rising's three-day timer, had before or since, perhaps proving that it was a stupid mechanic from the start, doubly so for a genre that isn't based around time limits or repeat-play speedruns'.

I really can't say anything more than what i've already said: Dragon Quarter is a collection of design choices that completely diverge from anything in the series. If, like Resident Evil 4, those alterations were for the best and made a single game of exceptional quality (until RE5 took a bad turn, RE6 took a worse one, and RE7 kind of pulled up but still isn't as good as RE4), then maybe i could forgive such a switch-up; but i find virtually nothing good about BoF5 as a game in itself, and nothing redeeming about it as a mainline sequel to a series that i loved up to that point. The only arguments i've seen to the contrary are from people who played DQ first, actually liked it, then went back and didn't like the rest of the series, which strikes me as people who've played Final Fantasy 13, liked it, and then went back to call FF6 a piece of shit; these are people whose preferences aren't worth considering, specifically for the series in question but perhaps also in general.


6f84ab No.14628081

>>14627289

>Maybe 'crowbarred' isn't the best term; perhaps what i should have said was 'retarded fuck-knuckle function they needlessly shoved into a game for a series that had nothing like that up to that point and that no other game, barring perhaps Dead Rising's three-day timer, had before or since, perhaps proving that it was a stupid mechanic from the start

S.O.S, Majora's Mask, Raw Danger! (This one is average by review scores), and other titles with this or a similar mechanic exist. The idea of some time of timer or limit restricting the players choices and actions isn't new, just not common (and let's be honest, it's not common because people don't like having limits put on what they can do for better or worse) But the idea is that it puts choice in the players hands as to what actions they want to take with their limited time since everything comes at a cost.

>Dragon Quarter is a collection of design choices that completely diverge from anything in the series

That was the point.

<Q: This time, you have created a new Breath of Fire title on the PS2. What goals did you set?

Ikehara: First and foremost, we thought, let's change Breath of Fire. The platform changed and the visuals weren't dot-by-dot pictures anymore, but rather 3D CG.

http://www.rpgfan.com/features/creatorstalk/index3.html

I think players pretty much agree that Dragon Quarter just needed to be marketed as a spin-off and not a numbered title so that it didn't earn as much ire as it did. But that still doesn't mean that different == bad and it was series veterans plans to shake things up so maybe they were on to something.

For your RE4 example, it's a bit harder to ask fans of an RPG series to like a game that is more punishing than previous entries than something like RE4 which was more action and adrenaline than the previous games. And keep in mind that there were, and still are, people who don't like RE4 for what it did to the series and preferred the older titles. Are those guys just fossils that don't want to see the series "improve"?

But going from survival Horror to an action shooter where you can spinkick heads off enemies is definitely going to grab more people than going from a traditional JRPG to a more punishing one.

Honestly, DQ would still be a great RPG to me no matter what sequence I played it in because it's an amazingly crafted product. It's tone is palpable, the ever increasing counter really adds on the tension. Combat is tense because a single mistake means either death or bailing yourself out with your dragon form (which adds more to your counter). Battle also never gets dull since positioning and AP costs replace just navigating through menus and everyone's abilities matter. The characters feel nice and distinct so nobody feels left out. And the story has impact, you feel desperation in trying to reach the surface, you feel for Nina, you feel for Lin.

Dragon Quarter is a game that feels deliberate. The developers took time to think out every mechanic they wanted in there, and stripped away the usual trappings of a JRPG to create something wholly unique and engaging.

My biggest complaint for DQ was a late game mechanic called Absolute Guard which needlessly made boss fights harder by giving them a shield that needed to be popped before damage could be dealt. And it refreshed after every attack. But aside from that this game rocked. I really don't know if you played DQ yourself, but man does it seem like you're letting franchise devotion get in the way of enjoying a great game. And if strategy RPG's aren't your thing than that's a different matter entirely.


7ee7bd No.14628183

>>14628081

>But that still doesn't mean that different == bad and it was series veterans plans to shake things up so maybe they were on to something.

>on to something

If the intent was to unerringly develop themselves a critically panned shit game that bombed, then you're quite right. They were definitely on to something.

I like strategy RPGs. Resource management is the shit. Still, I haven't touched DQ since the days when it was fresh and I never will. It's not BoF and for the mere temerity of associating itself with that once-grand series, "spinoff" or no, it deserves to fade into obscurity. DQ is shit. Double triple mega ultimate final fuck that game.


3688b8 No.14628278

>>14616189

Pretty sure it never got finished because the guy that was making it was hoping someone could help with better mechanical descriptions (fishing, genes, D-meter, etc) and possible FAQ info for the right side of it, as far as additional interest for readers to play them, and either no one was willing to provide, or threads for the series are so sparse that it never happened.

>>14615778

Have to say I really loved that rough, sketchy style with the color bleed the character art for Breath of Fire III and IV had.


c87ed9 No.14628346

>>14628183

Jesus your boner for the BoF is so misplaced, as is your hatred towards DQ. That you think BoF 1 or 2 is better than DQ speaks leagues.


bf6bb6 No.14628356

File: f49bb843e97e679⋯.jpg (29.9 KB, 223x349, 223:349, chingchong.jpg)

>Similarly the people of Wynlan also suffer the loss of their powers/unique traits through centuries of peaceful crossbreeding with other races.

THREADLY REMINDER THAT THE ATROCITIES COMMITTED TO ELINA WERE DONE BY A CHINK.


7ee7bd No.14628412

>>14628346

>That you think BoF 1 or 2 is better than DQ speaks leagues.

Get the fuck out of my face, garbage. Slink back to your gutterpond.


10f2d4 No.14628443

File: 66fe5bc0f965c44⋯.png (26.24 KB, 444x371, 444:371, 66fe5bc0f965c44326a1b842e0….png)

Breath of Fire I being the beginning is somewhat average with subtle racial and power undertones. Breath of Fire II seems to speak about the dangers of organized religion and restriction of local practices/cultures. Breath of Fire III follows some hints of Breath of Fire II, but adds themes of betrayal and whether or not humans are truly meant for the world. I haven't played Breath of Fire IV but I will get around to it.

Personally, Breath of Fire II is my favorite and why I hesitate to play Breath of Fire IV as I felt III was a step down. And-

FOR FUCK'S SAKE, PLAY THE RETRANSLATION

No one should be exposed to the butchered original localization, it's a horrible perversion of a fantastic story.

>Is Breath of Fire a redpill on the dangers of a multicultural society and the diluting of superior genes through race mixing?

>m-muh /pol/ r-redpill!!

I don't if I would say that considering all of the games have a multicultural world filled with proto-furry abominations but that's what makes it interesting. And the Wyndians seem to be fine with it or imply they knew about it and that it was inevitable. Or whatever that whole fucking arc in II or III about Nina being Nina and that's okay. All of the games seem to imply the dilution is fine and those who fail to move on die out. I think that was III's whole fucking plot with the dragons not resisting being genocided and completely fine with dying out.

I can't say I see any purposeful parallels to modern society/culture aside from the religious aspects actually.

>>14613198

She's good but I'm gay for Rei I wish she had more personality. Rand ended up being my favorite party member and I'd argue he's one of my favorite video game characters overall.

>>14614366

Is there a retranslation or uncensored patch like there is for BoFII?

>>14614562

It continues the trend of having good furry husbandos/waifus so at least it does it job considering that. Can't know what the game's actually like myself considering it's only in Japan. But from what I've seen it's definitely a disappointment.

>>14624957

Never bothered to see if 1 had a retranslation. I guess the original localization was decent all things considered. Especially compared to 2


432bbd No.14628449

>>14628443

>Is there a retranslation or uncensored patch like there is for BoFII?

Not that I know of, but you should play the original Japanese version anyway


10f2d4 No.14628459

>>14628449

I can't read Japanese, anon. How much worth of an investment is it anyway? It wouldn't be that big of an issue if their writing language wasn't so goddamn confusing.


432bbd No.14628464

>>14628459

It's worth it if you like Japanese games, since most localizations are shit and/or censored.


10f2d4 No.14628467

>>14628464

I've attempted to learn other language multiple times with no avail, I don't know how successful I'd be trying to learn Japanese. Where would be a good place to start?


432bbd No.14628472

>>14628467

We always have a thread up here >>14559591


10f2d4 No.14628489

>>14628472

What makes learning Japanese different aside from anime, manga, and video games? I've attempted German for literature reasons before, but that fell flat. And it doesn't even involve learning 2 sets of written languages or arguably even 1.


432bbd No.14628501

>>14628489

I'm not sure what you mean. It's certainly more difficult than learning German, but the payoff is the tons of Japanese media.


7ee7bd No.14628504

>>14628443

>I felt III was a step down.

The actual theme of the game seems to have sailed completely over your head. Now, to be fair, you have to have an extremely high IQ to understand Breath of Fire 3…


a80da8 No.14628509

File: 9da054f401f43dc⋯.jpg (50.88 KB, 340x480, 17:24, srsly ngr.jpg)

>>14628346

Dragon Quest it pretty hit or miss. Breath of Fire definitely had a bigger impact on me


10f2d4 No.14628537

File: 00f7a01937b9964⋯.jpg (9.52 KB, 261x195, 87:65, 00f7a01937b9964befc46e8cef….jpg)

>>14628504

>The actual theme of the game seems to have sailed completely over your head.

Granted it's been a while since I've played it and I how I felt about it or it's actual themes I had a hard time putting into words. I understand the child segments are important and it's coming of age messages. Myria's words at the end left a big impact on me emotionally, although I can't paraphrase exactly what she said. I think it was something along the lines of should humans be allowed to walk their own path? Or should they stay in the confines and restrictions set before them? If you have a better way of putting it or describing it's themes please mention them. I did enjoy the game, better than Breath of Fire 1 for sure. But it lacked the sort of connection and charm that Breath of Fire II had. III's supporting cast was weaker in my opinion other than Garland/Garr and Rei. Although you could argue most of II's characters were useless in battle save for a few. But considering the game allows you to farm infinite stat growths I don't think that's a problem Luck based Shaman form Tapeta/Jean is OP as fuck.


10f2d4 No.14628560

>>14628501

German is easier yes, but I still had a difficult time learning it and still don't know it overall. That's my point. If I struggle with German, what would be the point in attempting a more difficult language for the sake of media? With German I at least felt compelled to learn it out of heritage/cultural reasons and in hopes of traveling there which probably won't happen looking at Germany now. I guess I don't mind censorship too much as long as I'm given a summary of the original story or what was changed, so I'm fine playing translated games and reading translated manga. I guess I just a more solid reason. Maybe if I actually knew people in Japan or planned on living there. But living there requires working yourself to death it seems.


4fd836 No.14628590

>>14628443

>And the Wyndians seem to be fine with it or imply they knew about it and that it was inevitable.

>I think that was III's whole fucking plot with the dragons not resisting being genocided and completely fine with dying out.

>I can't say I see any purposeful parallels to modern society/culture aside from the religious aspects actually.

You don't see any parallels with a group being so tainted by pacifism that they are okay with being genocided? Also, on the Wyndians, there are NPCs that talk about wishing they could fly. That they accept being impure and move on with the only life they have had doesn't mean they are fine with it. The dilution of their genes in II led to the loss of changing into the great bird, why Nina's wings in that game are black, and why she was discriminated against by her own family. III just shows a further decline where they have lost their wings entirely.

>I can't say I see any purposeful parallels to modern society/culture aside from the religious aspects actually.

It's almost like you have some kind of bias impeding a closer inspection. I sense this because you notice the subtext about religion in the games, but completely ignore similar subtext about the dangers regarding the loss of racial purity.

>m-muh /pol/ r-redpill

Ah, it all becomes clear…


f3b856 No.14628649

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>>14628081

It's not devotion, it's enjoyment; i enjoyed the first four BoF games, i didn't enjoy the fifth. I kind of liked the setting, but the game world wasn't large enough or freely navigable and mostly just felt like fake scenery. The music didn't thrill me, the character with the most personality was Bosch and he ended up as a limp villain, the array of endbosses have no real build up or characterization, and i never liked cel shading to begin with. The only thing i could possibly say about BoF5 to it's benefit is it's not as bad as Lunar: Dragon Song.

Majora's Mask did have a time limit, but it never felt like a suicide countdown, you can reset the timer freely with minimal losses, and can slow it down, and you don't have to go through the entire plot and every location time and again. I never played the Zettai Zetsumei Toshi series, but from what i remember of videos i watched ages ago, you had free save points rather than needing coins for it and there wasn't this asinine restart feature jammed into it. I could probably go as far as Harvest Moon and all the spin-offs that usually have a year or five limit to them or Ephemeral Phantasia that has a seven-day time loop, but the only game i can recall that has a timer that i sincerely recall dreading was Dead Rising, and even that doesn't make you go through the exact same motions that BoF5 does every time you restart.

As someone who played and enjoyed about half of the RE games before 4 came out (never heard of Dead Aim until years later), i definitely felt a measure of disgust at RE4's divergence of the series, but after hearing praise of it, learning some tips, and seeing some videos for it, i played it through myself and came to enjoy it for what it was and now would say it was a good game, even if i'd rather have the old REs as well. But then every game AFTER RE4 wasn't RE4; all the changes they kept making like forced co-op, restricted inventories that wasn't the wonderful item tetris of the attache case, and needing to turn herbs into tic-tacs in RE6. I can understand wanting to make each game different, try out new things and give each it's own style, but sometimes you can go too far and ruin it. A series is a series because of the mainstays of that series, be it setting or playstyle or characters; when a game comes along and shits all over every pillar of the series in turn, it doesn't deserve to be a part of that series. Dragon Quarter is a blasphemy to Breath of Fire, perhaps more so than any other sequel, and maybe if it were a good game all on it's own it'd have received the glowing praise and redemption that RE4 does.


432bbd No.14628688

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>>14628649

It's not that bad.


10f2d4 No.14628732

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>>14628590

I notice it, but I don't think the game is hinting at it as heavily as you imply. That is not it's overall message or theme. Religious subtexts were quite common in Japanese RPGs too for that time. MOTHER 3 has a similar theme about holding onto traditional cultures/religions and the link for that stems from Christianity becoming more prevalent in Japan and replacing native religions, it's not a random subtext I noticed for no reason like you have. Not everything needs heavy political or societal undertones either.

>You don't see any parallels with a group being so tainted by pacifism that they are okay with being genocided?

They weren't "tainted" by pacifism, these were the Dragons prior to the events of the first game. There were themes of moving on and learning to find your place in world scattered about the whole of Breath of Fire III. Quit acting like they had this whole societal decay concept planned out. If that was the case we might've seen groups of Wyndians who only breed with other Wydians and would try bring back their past traits. Not everything is done on purpose or for a concrete reason. In fact I think the Dark Dragons of the first game could be implied to be racial purists and they were the antagonists.

I don't think Nina's wings were black because she was "impure", they were black because it was a bad omen. You know? Like what some actual fucking cultures believe? I guess that means my black cat is an impure mutt. She definitely wasn't discriminated against for having diluted genes.

And what the fuck's with the Worens then?! Lin/Katt is has a human upper half. But then Rei is covered with fur and is arguably all tiger. Then Cray flips back and looks almost entirely human. Not to mention other races throughout the series seem to remain the same or have women that look similar to humans while the men are beast-like. You can't argue this non-existent race/gene bullshit if it's not even consistent.

In fact, I'm against racemixing irl, but you're a fucking retard who needs to stop inserting shit where it doesn't obviously belong. Why not instead talk about other themes or aspects that are explicitly stated or at least more heavily implied?


4fd836 No.14628811

>>14628732

>They weren't "tainted" by pacifism, these were the Dragons prior to the events of the first game.

There were tainted. Letting your people be killed off without putting up significant resistance? You condone that kind of thinking or are you just trying to say that they were pacifistic by nature, despite that never being true in any of the games outside of III?

>There were themes of moving on and learning to find your place in world scattered about the whole of Breath of Fire III.

>subtlety is okay as long as it support my position

Interesting.

>Quit acting like they had this whole societal decay concept planned out. If that was the case we might've seen groups of Wyndians who only breed with other Wydians and would try bring back their past traits. Not everything is done on purpose or for a concrete reason.

So because they didn't make it heavy handed, it isn't there?

>In fact I think the Dark Dragons of the first game could be implied to be racial purists and they were the antagonists.

Now look who's reaching for shit that was never there. The Dark Dragons were fighting fellow dragons and killing them off as a threat. They weren't killing off all the other races, and nothing they were doing was about racial purity. It was about Zog's desire for power, Zog being dooped by the goddess, and Jade pulling a starscream

>I don't think Nina's wings were black because she was "impure", they were black because it was a bad omen.

Maybe play the game again? The "bad omen" was just the surface level explanation by Wyndians. Also Nina from the first game explicitly says that it was due to her chasing dragon dick that they all lost their power to transform.

>And what the fuck's with the Worens then?! Lin/Katt is has a human upper half. But then Rei is covered with fur and is arguably all tiger.

Rei could just be from a more pure line?

>Then Cray flips back and looks almost entirely human.

Dilution of the genes?

>Not to mention other races throughout the series seem to remain the same or have women that look similar to humans while the men are beast-like.

So they are hideous enough that not much crossbreeding happens or crossbreeding doesn't provide viable offspring?

It's like you are actively trying to twist any evidence against the supposition I am putting forth. It's like you don't even realize that two races that are close enough might be able to produce offspring (such as the dragons and wing clan) but others are not (such as a manillo /wing clan.)

>In fact, I'm against racemixing irl, but you're a fucking retard who needs to stop inserting shit where it doesn't obviously belong. Why not instead talk about other themes or aspects that are explicitly stated or at least more heavily implied?

>you're a fucking retard

>why talk about it tho

>like I'm against it

>but why discuss it

>geez why

Fuck off with this hyperventilating over a topic you double nigger


10f2d4 No.14628950

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>>14628811

This is what this thread will become at this rate, but at the same time quit acting like it's objective fact and what the developers intended. Dragons being the "last of their kind" is a typical fantasy cliche that works with other mythical races. Overall, it's annoying. You wouldn't tell a person to play these games to show them why racemixing is bad, that's not it's main theme or the point it's trying to get across and it doesn't even dwell on those aspects for the most part of the series. I want to talk about the games as a whole and not semantics or hidden meaning.


4fd836 No.14629143

>>14628950

>This is what this thread will become at this rate

<170 replies in

<thread mostly about BoF

<only anons shitting up thread are handwringing faggots that keep crying about how the thread is going to only be about the thing they keep making it about

KYS


6f84ab No.14629686

>>14628649

>but the game world wasn't large enough or freely navigable

That's the point, you're not there to smell the roses. That's the sacrifice that was made when you tell people they are stuck in a hole in the ground and they need to fight there way to the top before they, and their partners die. It's amazing because so few RPGs actually tell you something bad is going to happen and then make it actually matter. How many games tell you the world is going to end and then lets you faff about for as many hours as you want until you trip the next event flag?

>The music didn't thrill me

Man, the music was great. I don't know what to say to that.

>Majora's Mask did have a time limit, but it never felt like a suicide countdown

That's because there really isn't a universal understanding of how to implement these types of timers, every game that has something like this does it differently and ascribes a different tone to it. In the case of MM, the three day cycle restricts how much the average player will accomplish in a single day and there are more than enough complaint from people who failed to complete dungeons just because it took them too long to gain access to them. But MM is also a smaller, more self contained game than it's predecessors much like Dragon Quarter is, so hitting the loops again isn't as big a time sink as some people might argue.

>and even that doesn't make you go through the exact same motions that BoF5 does every time you restart.

If your goal is to just beat the game, using SOL Restart is all you need to do as it drops your D-Counter to 0%, puts you at the last save point you were at, and you're back to business as usual. That's also why Party XP was implemented, so you'd have a way to get your characters to their previous levels before the reset and move forward.

The only reason you'll ever SOL Restore (play from the beginning) is if you're going for a 1/4 run and even then, by that point you'll have some end game equipment that will make even fighting some scaled up encounters more manageable. Not only that, but as you refine your D-Ratio new areas of the game open up so you do get to explore some more. And the additional cut-scenes give you some variation and flesh out the story. The game also alters enemy encounters on subsequent playthroughs and introducing stronger opponents earlier. So it's hard to say you're going through the same motions.

But even with all that Dragon Quarter is a surprisingly short RPG (especially for one on the PS2) since it does push you towards completing it under some pressure, even replaying it I spent less time than a single run of BoFIII although that 1/4 still eludes me and it's about time I went back and got the true ending.

>A series is a series because of the mainstays of that series, be it setting or playstyle or characters; when a game comes along and shits all over every pillar of the series in turn, it doesn't deserve to be a part of that series. Dragon Quarter is a blasphemy to Breath of Fire, perhaps more so than any other sequel, and maybe if it were a good game all on it's own it'd have received the glowing praise and redemption that RE4 does.

Blashphemy? That's harsh words for a game finely crafted by the same people who brought you the other titles. This is nowhere on the same level as Mass Effect III where the developers phoned everything in, or DmC where some other studio that didn't understand the appeal of the previous games tried to recreate everything.

It's a different game, but it got a lot of love from the developers since they wanted to go in a new direction and they put their hearts into it. I get where you're coming from, it seems this game was just the perfect storm of things you don't like (including cel shading?). But for you to still not see any value in Dragon Quarter, Can't really explain that aside from straight xenophobia.


f085e9 No.14630219

>>14629143

>WAAHHH STOP CRYING ABOUT MY /POL/ FETISHES

Yea nah. Eat shit faggot. This thread's done nothing but give faggots the opportunity to project their political opinions under the guise of a vidya games.


e38173 No.14630333

So does Dragon Quarter emulate well on pcsx2?


d5392d No.14630423

>>14628649

Dragon Quarter was definitely not a game for you man. It is so far removed from your personal tastes that you don't like its OST, which is so good that even some of my friends that don't play any games at all listen to it and think it is a great soundtrack.

>>14630333

It runs well enough AFAIK.


bc0429 No.14630493

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>>14622671

All the more impressive how right she is.


9f0171 No.14630573

>>14629686

>In the case of MM, the three day cycle restricts how much the average player will accomplish in a single day and there are more than enough complaint from people who failed to complete dungeons just because it took them too long to gain access to them.

Majora's Mask was pretty lenient when it came to removing the player's progress, though. For all four of the dungeons, making enough progress to actually enter the dungeon itself meant that on your next cycle, you could skip straight to tit instead of doing all the buildup to it again, and getting the Bow/Elemental Arrow from that dungeon typically opened up pretty big shortcuts if your first attempt through the dungeon got cut short.


d5392d No.14630906

>>14629686

>It's amazing because so few RPGs actually tell you something bad is going to happen and then make it actually matter. How many games tell you the world is going to end and then lets you faff about for as many hours as you want until you trip the next event flag?

This is one of the fucking brilliant things about Dragon Quarter. The game mechanically integrates the stakes and the immediacy of the character's plight from the narrative instead of just showing it up and disassociating it from the game entirely. In FF7 the meteor will fall, but not really. In Witcher 3 you have to save Ciri ASAP, but not really. Most RPGs are like this, where you can do fuck all even when the narrative is telling you the situation is dire and there is urgency in what you need to do. It is safe that no one will complain about time limits and all that, but it is also super boring.

Besides MM, the only other RPG/Adventure games that come to mind where a looming time limit that is well integrated with the game's progression is Persona 3-5 (which is also full of detractors) and Valkyrie Profile which is not shy in saying at the start of each chapter "X TIME UNTIL THE END OF THE WORLD". Can some anon recommend other games with this trope?


586757 No.14630914

Why is everyone being so mean to each other this week?


a80da8 No.14631432

File: 84c47ac60326689⋯.jpg (43.57 KB, 329x399, 47:57, Get out fag.jpg)

>>14630914

Business as usual


586757 No.14631441

>>14631432

Nah everyone's being even faggier about it than usual.


10f2d4 No.14631480

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>>14630914

>>14631441

It's just JRPG faggotry.


c2e43a No.14631562

>>14630914

Good old race to the bottom. It is not a coincidence /v/-tan was an enraged fucker that hated everything and yelled at everyone.


da8cf0 No.14631630

File: 780ee99f808ecbb⋯.png (711.99 KB, 1003x499, 1003:499, no bully.png)

>>14631480

i don't think so bully


10f2d4 No.14631705

File: 4bc28f38c99be1f⋯.png (82.3 KB, 189x213, 63:71, 4bc28f38c99be1fad14735154f….png)

>>14631630

What is that? What's with the middleschool-tier name?


fc360e No.14631716

>>14631705

It's a publicity stunt being run by a marketing group. Do not bite the bait.


432bbd No.14631721

File: 350b4f56e820c1c⋯.png (69.18 KB, 385x410, 77:82, 350b4f56e820c1ce2c0870b73b….png)

>>14631630

You're the real bully!


3688b8 No.14632984

>>14631721

That text really needed a stroke over it so it stands out against the pants. Dark blue against dark blue, or against black, winds up having legibility issues.


f295e8 No.14633302

>>14630906

Timers are just a bad way to integrate tension to the plot. I'm not even talking about RPG's but any game. You can just reduce the time constraint and suddenly you have to start rushing through. In a narrative it's usually even worse.

Dragon Quarter wants to pretend that it has a time limit, but it doesn't. The 'something bad' is simply a reset. It might feel like a new mechanic, but it's just a different way of taking save files. There's no need to pretend that hitting that cap is any different whatsoever than letting your party get wiped and getting a 'game over' screen.

This is probably why Dragon Quarter is so widely disliked. Mechanically, adding in an additional system to keep track of what is largely unrelated to and in most cases (especially Dragon Quarter) limiting to your gameplay with the penalty of a game over is just an escort quest. Dragon Quarter is 100% based around escort quest mechanics.

If you want other games with time limits, I could recommend X-com 2. Resident Evil Outbreak (no idea how you could play it) also had everyone infected with the virus and needing to finish the level before they hit the cap. The original Five Nights at Freddy's also had this kind of 'delay the inevitable' mechanics involved in it, as well as the newest one involving a lot of such risk vs reward.


6f84ab No.14633354

>>14630573

>pretty lenient

It's very lenient if you look at the design. Lots of built in shortcuts, most of them gained through just doing the process to acquire an item or mask and then you can usually bypass that hurdle on a subsequent loop and an associated one later on as well. There was a lot of interactions and inter-connectivity built in.

For example; Gaining access to the Great Bay Temple requires going into the pirate fortress. This stealth section can be time consuming for players. But if they had explored the entrance to Ikana valley, and had the Truth scope they could get the stone mask. Which means you can skip 90% of the dungeon easily, and just have to worry about fighting the prison guards and having to make as many runs as your bottles allow. And you can get more bottles by doing some decently fun minigames that usually involve another mask you earned somewhere else.

It's part of why MM is my favorite zelda game. There are so many things that were fit into such a small space, but they were tied to each other tightly and then tied to the story so that I sometimes get this sense of wonder just reading the dialogue of some characters right when I get an item because it feels like a big accomplishment even if it's something small like helping a dancing ghost find peace.

Contrast the spiderweb of connections of MM though, to the far more linear Dragon Quarter. The game gives you two options for what to do if you want to start over. You can reset to the the beginning or start from the last save point. Both options have your inventory stripped clean and reset to the default capacity. However, you keep any items that were equipped, and any items stored with an NPC. You also keep what is called Party XP which is a secondary type of experience point you gain from battles that is stored and can be used to level up any characters at will. And finally you keep any skills your characters have learned.

One thing that makes it easy to cheese DQ is that Ryu's dragon form is quite literally broken and you can one shot bosses with it. The cost to your D-Counter for using his dragon form evaporates when you realize that you can just go all out in any encounter, and once you start nearing 80%-90% you can just go to a save point, dump your stuff, and then reset to that save point and start from 0% and throw party XP at everyone until their levels are adequate. I do believe you get less party Xp for wining fights with the Dragon Form, but even with a low levelled party Ryu won't have problems since he's crazy strong in dragon form at any level.

So for all I like to talk about the D-Counter being a great mechanic. It's effect isn't felt unless you are attempting a 1cc run of the game. Otherwise it's a non-issue and you can beat the game with ease. The reason to do a 1cc run is to raise your characters's D-Ratio to 1/4 so you can get the true ending of the game. So that is kind of like doing a Bomber's Notebook run in MM except the game is actually grading you on whether or not you met all the criteria for attaining a higher ratio. >>14630573


432bbd No.14633366

>>14633354

>raise your characters's D-Ratio to 1/4

Which is pretty much impossible without already beating the game and doing a lot of preparation beforehand.


6f84ab No.14633432

>>14633366

Which is why I compare it to a bomber's notebook run. The game is grading you on several metrics. So in order to get the best results you need to do some minor routing but it's not that difficult a task because lots of the stuff you need are things you learned playing the game the 1-2 runs you'd need to get yourself in the best spot to get to 1/4.

I still have to do it myself but once you have end game equipment, an understanding of how the game will flow, and access to the few blue treasure chests you'd need to get the best score by having a higher D-Ratio it's doable.

>>14633302

>Timers are just a bad way to integrate tension to the plot

Only if the designers don't put care into integrating it into the game itself. But let's be honest, even when the game does everything it can to make any time limit meaningful most gamers will still hate it. It's not like the victory lap of escaping whatever planet you're on in a Metroid game. Having an ever present clock telling you that you need to hurry up is something a lot of people don't want in their games. I get it too because I don't think every game needs to impose a limit on the player and I'd like the freedom to pursue every avenue I want without restriction. But when a game does put that restriction down, it can lead to an amazing experience when done right.

I remember the original Fallout titles having imposed time limits and people to this day say it either made or broke the game for them and patches exist to remove them. Meanwhile I like the idea that you're protecting your home vault and the decisions you make can lead to the death or survival of your people. And even the lives of other groups you encounter as bad things can happen to them after a while just from you doing stuff for them. It's a race to stop the true menace of the wastelands.


93bf60 No.14638541

bump


a15c52 No.14641095

>>14613140

>Is Breath of Fire a redpill on the dangers of a multicultural society and the diluting of superior genes through race mixing?

Back to >>>/pol/ with you


648a1b No.14641147

I wanna try out Dragoon Quarter, but people often say not to play it.


432bbd No.14641162

>>14641147

Just try it rather than listen to other people.


648a1b No.14641171

>>14641162

Well I mean, I don't remember what was said, but it felt like it was dubbed the worst BoF to date.


f24f5f No.14641175

File: e2c2081a92c099c⋯.gif (883.99 KB, 375x304, 375:304, 1438263927042.gif)

>>14626449

>>14641095

>>>/cuckchan/ and stay there


cf93c6 No.14641178

File: 3b33aa83452f3fe⋯.jpg (84.49 KB, 768x432, 16:9, kaminaisnotimpressed.jpg)

>>14641095

epic win


6f84ab No.14641248

>>14641171

Dragon Quarter is just polarizing. In terms of mechanics and settings it's a huge departure from the previous titles, but at the same time the developers put a lot of effort into making the new direction work to mixed results.

Just give it a try and decide for yourself whether or not it's worth your time.


f3b856 No.14641351

>>14641171

It is, among the Breath of Fire series, the worst of them; as a game unto itself, apparently the opinion varies wildly so you may as well play it and see how you like. Can't be any worse then Unlimited SaGa.


7ecf65 No.14641360

>>14641147

>I wanna try out Dragoon Quarter, but people often say not to play it.

its shit


6f84ab No.14641403

File: 10085cfe923d9ff⋯.gif (1.98 MB, 382x216, 191:108, smug_bosch.gif)

>>14641351

>It is, among the Breath of Fire series, the worst of them

Seriously? It's easily better than the SNES entries and whether or not you think it's better than the PS1 games is purely based on taste.


c26516 No.14641459

>>14641403

Trying that bait again?


6f84ab No.14641496

>>14641459

>bait

>again

Might have me confused with someone else bucko.


bd3709 No.14641648

>>14615024

Echoes would've done much better in the west (not sure how well it actually did outside of Japan) had NoA did more advertising/promotion for it than they did. Fates was advertised so much more compared to echoes (probably due to the controversy with removing items/features of the game as well). Most people heard about Echoes either form word of mouth, websites like these, and seeing it at the store itself. I think NoA got mad that they had to let a different localization company work on it instead of treehouse (who I believe were also mad about not getting it) due to the backlash from fans after what treehouse did to the Fates games. This resulted in very little promotion of the games despite many praising it as being a good remake of an older entry to the series and not having it succumb to the forced waifu/avatar shit.

If more older FE games get the same/similar treatment of Echoes, I would be fine with that, but I worry that new installments will keep making the waifushit and avatar gimmicks worse.


648a1b No.14642362

>>14641403

Speaking of PS2, did anyone develop a better DX11 Software plug-in for PCSX2 yet?


6f84ab No.14642489

>>14642362

I haven't emulated on PS2 in forever, but hasn't OpenGL basically replaced DX as the more optimal graphics driver? I've been using it for all my other emulators.


92d8ad No.14642961

>>14642489

I've not had a good experience with anything DX in about a decade, including DX11.


6f84ab No.14643668

>>14642961

You'll want to head over to the emulation thread then or just check the PCSX2 faqs. I don't think the 2-3 people that are still lurking this thread can answer technical questions regarding drivers.


7c6167 No.14646497

>>14641175

Spam this image all you like polyp it's still not true.


7ecf65 No.14646829

>>14614303

>Still, Dragon Quarter is an excellent game

no, you fucking retard. kill yourself


9e958b No.14646871

I love BoF3, but damn do I hate all the mini-games for plot progression.


a80da8 No.14647932

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432bbd No.14647998

>>14646871

BoF4 has way more. What does BoF3 have besides drawing vinegar, pulling in the angler, and navigating the ocean?


e1ab96 No.14648369

>>14646871

I remember those being some of my favorite parts.


f36969 No.14648669

>>14628560

How could you struggle with German? 60% of the words have English cognates.


10f2d4 No.14648706

>>14648669

It was my first class in the morning and I would be dead tired and fall asleep.

I couldn't get the hang of it's grammar or past tense, present tense words. -en, -e, -est, -st, etc. That and the genders of words and how to use der, die, das. It just sort of faded out of interest or I slowly gave up on it. It's hard to gauge your progress doing it self-taught too. It's hard to remind yourself to practice every single day or keep it up without getting burnt out. Spelling, pronunciation, and listening to it were the easiest. I can listen to a German speaker and understand slightly what they're saying, but I can't speak back all that well.


a80da8 No.14649589

File: ee8b073b1aabafd⋯.jpg (56.69 KB, 229x354, 229:354, Anger.jpg)

>>14648706

I fucking hate the gendered words shit. Made spanish hell. What made spanish even worse was the o en an usted as es os


6f84ab No.14649641

>>14630906

>Can some anon recommend other games with this trope?

If you're still there you can add Pikmin 1 and 3 to the list. Also I mentioned it but Fallout 1 and 2 have time limits. I think FFXIII: Lightning Returns has a clock. But honestly I never touched the game I've just been looking for titles that have these mechanics.


3688b8 No.14649706

>>14630906

Pretty sure I've heard that Romancing SaGa has an internal timer where events will play out whether or not you're there to take part in them. Can't speak as to if there's plot critical ones that fall under that though, or if it's all just missable sidequests.


f3b856 No.14649978

>>14641403

I've said it before and i'll say it again: Dragon Quarter goes completely against the grain of the first four games. Breath of Fire, as a series, adhered to certain gameplay and setting choices; DQ threw all those out the window, and this is why, as a BoF game, it is the worst. Which is, again, why the series died until Capcom fuckin' FMA'd the series into the hideous homunculus that is BoF6; christ, mobile gaming was a mistake.


6f84ab No.14651082

>>14649978

>Dragon Quarter goes completely against the grain of the first four games.

Take this with a grain of salt since I've never completed the first two titles. But the Series had always been evolving across each iteration. Especially with BoFII from what I've heard and played (and these would be mechanical or system complaints not related to the abysmal translation) which was a part of a wave of JRPG's that were trying new things to the genre. The entries are distinct and V is no exception.

The jump was big (for some) but I've more than stated why I think that in spite of these changes Dragon Quarter can stand as a proud entry in this franchise. I get why people don't like it, it's really obvious to see why D-Counter would tick people off, and losing the Fairie villages, and mini-games would turn off a lot of long time fans. But what defines 'Breath of Fire' depends on individuals if we're going to ignore the intentions of the developers. I played them because they had good stories and some interesting mechanics, as long as I get those I can stomach deviations if done right. And I believe Dragon Quarter is a well done new spin on the franchise. Again, maybe naming it something different would have benefited the fans so they wouldn't have been this

I've said it before and I'll say it one more time: Being different isn't the reason to hate Dragon Quarter. On a broad level it retains the things that I think are really the core of BoF; the characters, the relationship of the dragon lineages to Ryu and the world, and a story that really hits the player in ways the far more archetypal FF never scratched. And as for it's overall design, story, and impact At worst it's the middle child of the series in terms of quality, at best I'd put it at the top because games like this scratch an itch I rarely have satisfied.

That being said; we're just going in circles. It's always been a divisive game and it's going to continue to be.


f3b856 No.14651310

>>14651082

Well, yeah, we aren't convincing each other and we won't; the terrible tragedy of opinions is two people can have radically different ones and neither can truly say the other's is wrong regardless of how loud they yell for it. Of course, i also have the facts that it was very poorly received and that BoF6 didn't come out until they raped the corpse of the series to push out a steaming mobile turd. Somewhere between those two is the proof that Dragon Quarter was, to say the least, a poor decision.

Being different is a damn good reason to hate it; retarded changes to a working system and series can damage or kill it, both literally and metaphorically. Games may change between titles, and that's fine since even Dragon Quest made a few change-ups between games, but they kept things more or less the same in terms of how the game actually plays which is what kept fans loyal to it; at least until DQ10 which was MMO-style, but i haven't heard anyone complain about it so i assume it was handled better than FF12 was. Fallout 3 was a smash hit and beloved by many, but fans of the old ones and also New Vegas take the time to rag on it constantly. Fire Emblem has gone down a wrong path according to many of it's fans, both in terms of difficulty and quality. Final Fantasy has been going downhill since FFX, and even that wasn't a swan song so much as a death knell. Legend of Mana is when the series took a turn artistically and mechnically, and i think it was a bad decision but it just kept going. Mother 3, as much as i enjoyed it, i didn't like as much as Mother 2 simply because it wasn't a silly wacky suburban romp through japanese-viewed america but some inconsistent and moderately depressing magical island romp that rarely lets you go backwards, and i think a number of people, especially japanese fans, would agree. Suikoden 4 was widely regarded as atrocious and Suikoden Tierkreis ripped out roughly half of what made Suikoden a series. But none of those games, not a one, has had half so much switched around in a sequel as DQ did for BoF, as much as those games are hated for it, DQ should be hated more for all it ripped out and shat upon. All of that having been said, i also didn't like DQ as a game, which may be the greatest sin of it all. Maybe if it was still a fixed-position turn-based RPG, i could have ran with it; the setting, the characters or lack thereof, the doing away with every standard of the series, maybe i could have gritted my teeth and said 'well that was shit but not complete shit' if they didn't make it a strategy game and didn't make it a restart game. I just don't like nearly anything about it, and while i can't refuse you that you enjoy it i'm absolutely not going to let you sit here and say, without shame and without doubt, that it was a good move for the series or that it was a good example of the series. It was a blasphemy and it killed Breath of Fire.


f3b856 No.14651531

>>14651350

>(2)

>contrarian internet sniper decides to give his non-opinion on a game series he's never played while ignoring all the points presented

>#SittingOnTheSidelinesGivesMeABetterPerspective


93bf60 No.14652053

File: 2ca9d70829e1f77⋯.jpeg (165.8 KB, 990x875, 198:175, Pandora's_tower.jpeg)

>>14630906

Add Pandora's Tower to the pile as I think it counts.

It's got a corruption mechanic although it's centered around another character, and you need to keep feeding her monster flesh to reverse the effects with boss monsters providing the greatest return. The corruption works as a timer for your dungeon explorations as the rate in which it deteriorates increases as the game goes on.

It's also worth noting that the quality of the meat you collect will deteriorate once you take it, so not only do you have to get it, you need to get it to Elena before it rots and loses it's effectiveness.


e6b725 No.14652094

>>14630906

Panzer Dragoon Saga did it perfectly. You've got moments of quiet downtime but by the last quarter of the game entire towns and cities are wiped off the world map, ushering you to deal with the impending destruction of the human race. It's also a morally ambiguous game and an exploration of a religious experience. It's really one of the best RPGs ever made, and with game play like nothing else out there.


52f621 No.14652241

>>14652109

Kill yourself.


e38173 No.14652247

>>14652094

Do I need to play the other games in the series to play Saga? It's been on my backlog for some time now


52f621 No.14652353

File: 78d8da2cbf371a7⋯.jpg (236.54 KB, 500x776, 125:194, cVGwETY.jpg)

>>14652286


f05501 No.14652368

>>14652286

the only game commies play is sucking tranny dick, I think /v/ is safe from your ilk


93bf60 No.14652375

I think you can also put Deadly Premonition, and Shadow of Destiny as games that utilize an overt timer of sorts. Although both of those games differ from the ones mentioned in the thread because they are both broken up into chapters with a time limit place on each one.


e6b725 No.14652383

File: 3b2a5626dd83502⋯.mp4 (4.81 MB, 256x144, 16:9, Guardian Dragon.mp4)

File: db39dd756615026⋯.mp4 (2.2 MB, 192x144, 4:3, Confrontation.mp4)

>>14652247

You can beat the original and zwei in about 2-3 hours and there's some text that concludes the main characters story line in the original and zwei in saga. None of the games are particularly long. They're also extremely good rail shooters with incredible music, great game play, and laid a lot of foundational material for the game world that you explore in Saga. Plus there's a lot of references and if you have a completed Zwei save file on your saturn you get bonus stuff in Saga. I miss when games did that cool stuff like finding save data from previous installments.


48d1e3 No.14652419

>>14652286

The only thing you faggots hold are in the dicks in your mouth. Fuck off.


10acea No.14652455

>Somewhere between those two is the proof that Dragon Quarter was, to say the least, a poor decision.

The BoF saga was always perceived as the poor's man JRPG. The sales were abysmal compared to other games in the genre, and the critical reception was (justifiably) not stellar. I don't know what budget BoF was built on, but if we compare to other Capcom's initiatives it definitely wasn't on shoestrings. IV sold even more poorly, setting the serie on a downward trend.

It's not hard to see how Capcom, which at the time had a lot of high grossing / hard hitting flagships, would consider shifting ressources to more lucrative projects.

DQ was a last ditch effort to save the saga and a love letter to Capcom mythos; it didn't work, but neither would have another solid but bland turn-based & monomyth-oriented JRPG with dragons, furries and fishing.

Considering the feeble reception and hardcore bashing most fans gave to DQ, I can't hide the fact that I'm quite happy that the serie died. I don't think they deserved it to begin with.


e38173 No.14652944

>>14652383

>bonus stuff from prequel savedata

This is my fetish


83b628 No.14653163

ANCHORED


5d11cb No.14653374

>>14651310

>neither can truly say the other's is wrong regardless of how loud they yell for it.

Sure but

>Of course, i also have the facts that it was very poorly received

This isn't true at all. The ratings for the series have always been average, but aggregate sites will show that Dragon Quarter is the second highest rates game in the series under BoFIV. Not only that, but Dragon Quarter also received positive reviews from every major outlet that touched it. Even fucking IGN with their known bias against RPG's gave it a 8.2/10. Critics liked it, fans are less clear as longer time fans are divided, but so are people who just walked into this game without any prior BoF experience.

>Somewhere between those two is the proof that Dragon Quarter was, to say the least, a poor decision.

Two things, if >>14652455 is correct about sales (something I hadn't considered since I was a latecomer to the franchise) than BoF was always going out the door.

The second is that this is Capcom handling the franchise and even with so much demand for a sequel despite DQ, they still waited this long to put out anything. If they killed megaman, I don't doubt they would kill an RPG franchise that wasn't making that much for them no matter what happened.

>Being different is a damn good reason to hate it

No, Being bad is a damn good reason to hate it. But it's not bad, it's just not your taste since you don't like sRPG's, Time based games, Challenge Runs, the music, and enforced limitations. There is nothing this game could do to make you like it but even then, you're not liking it doesn't make it a bad game.

And being different depends on what is changing. A lot of the games you mentioned and some that I have, made changes that increased accessibility by removing the things the older titles had that those fans wanted more of. (Fire emblem permadeath, Fallout going first person and less restricting your choices, Resident evil going full action game, etc). I already said it, but going for a more restrictive framework for the game was automatically going to alienate the types of people who don't want pressure in their games.

>DQ should be hated more for all it ripped out and shat upon

>I just don't like nearly anything about it, and while i can't refuse you that you enjoy it i'm absolutely not going to let you sit here and say, without shame and without doubt, that it was a good move for the series or that it was a good example of the series.

If you wanted the last word just because someone likes a game that *shockingly* you don't. That's childish.

I think that Dragon Quarter is an amazing experiment that might have failed on the financial department, but not on the metric that matters to me which is personal enjoyment. The developers had balls of steel to do this and if they knew they weren't going to get another BoF title no matter what, it's amazing what they did and I think it's a title that doesn't do a disservice to the legacy of the franchise. The fucking mobile game did that.


014718 No.14654061

Thread's dying. It's a shame about Dragon Quarter. I want to see it's battle system return in some form. Using AP as action points to move and biding movement to store AP for more moves in later turns really could have been expanded on. As for the time limit permadeath thing I never liked. But thatvis because I like to take my time exploring worlds and every nook and cranny.

I had a dream about playing a Breath of Fire game where Ryu can transform/grow one body part set at a time. His options were magic horns for magic in form of breaths, wings for hover/gliding, tail as a third arm that can act as a weapon in melee or a back defense point like a weapon guard, arms for claw attacks and grapples, and legs for enhanced movement/jumping. Transforming costs time and therefore AP. Ryu's role is a versatile leader with his dragon parts once he gets enough AP to switch forms. He can't use a breath without magic horns while he has a pair of wings out. And he can't have both a tail for attacking while he's slicing with a dragon claw with his shield arm.

Ryu does have a full dragon form he can access once per inn rest that grants him all of these bonuses and incredible attack/defense/speed boosts. Yes I said inn rest. As in you need to sleep in at least an air-conditioned house with a bed, a roof over your head, and a filling meal. If your own "nest" doesn't meet all these requirements then no full dragon form. And full dragon form duration is dependent on absorbing pure dragon blood directly rather than level.


6f84ab No.14654155

>>14654061

>Using AP as action points to move and biding movement to store AP for more moves in later turns really could have been expanded on

I think Valkyrie Chronicles used a system like this, maybe some Tri-ace titles as well. I do agree that the combat system could use some additions. More party members would be nice as everyone has a specific niche they fill and set combos they can perform. but once you figure everyone out there isn't much else to do but position and go at it.

>I had a dream about playing a Breath of Fire game where Ryu can transform/grow one body part set at a time. His options were magic horns for magic in form of breaths, wings for hover/gliding, tail as a third arm that can act as a weapon in melee or a back defense point like a weapon guard, arms for claw attacks and grapples, and legs for enhanced movement/jumping. Transforming costs time and therefore AP. Ryu's role is a versatile leader with his dragon parts once he gets enough AP to switch forms. He can't use a breath without magic horns while he has a pair of wings out. And he can't have both a tail for attacking while he's slicing with a dragon claw with his shield arm.

I'd like to see something like this as well. Sounds like it could make for some good tactics and management.


f3b856 No.14654198

File: 47919a17d45659d⋯.jpg (662.05 KB, 1500x1031, 1500:1031, 547575b5f89536a136c4a8b182….jpg)

>>14652455

I'd rather see the series i love end on a whimper than a toilet flush, especially a flush with a cherry bomb that blows the toilet up afterwards. I can accept any given series has to end, i just wish it'd end on a high note rather than a long drawn out farting sound. As a side note, i didn't hate Grandia 3 as much as the grandiafag seems to.

>>14653374

Even if Breath of Fire was on the downturn, Dragon Quarter was the dagger Capcom used to stab the series in the heart. No matter how well-crafted you think dagger is, it's still going to be an object of disgust for me, i think the dagger is hideous besides, and every time i hear you say you consider it an exquisite example of craftsmanship and a fine showpiece for any collector of fine works, it pushes me to stand up and object with my own say on things. As much as you feel the need to voice your opinion on things, i feel that exact same need; possibly more so since you don't have that lingering disgust for knowing a series of games you loved got hardcore flipped for an entirely different game under the guise of the series banner rather than just ending it where it stood and calling the game something else entirely. DQ did a disservice to the series by not being a proper sequel; it calls itself one while doing nothing to respect anything that came before it, and the mobile game is just another example of 'let's make something that doesn't reflect the series but has the name to milk out another dollop of cash". BoF5 killed the series, and they used it's bones to make the parade float that was BoF6.

On a related note, i was actually vaguely hopeful for BoF6 when i first saw it; it had a weasel samurai and a sheepgirl healer and the art looked anime and fantastic. Then it turned out to be mobile shit and i had to remind myself it's dead forever just like my heart.


6f84ab No.14654255

File: 4dfc43f9f665942⋯.jpg (271.67 KB, 950x1288, 475:644, BoFV_001.jpg)

File: 6e903634d6eb8b3⋯.jpg (202.18 KB, 950x1392, 475:696, BoFV_002.jpg)

File: d61c8eaa5a4c095⋯.jpg (194.84 KB, 950x1275, 38:51, BoFV_003.jpg)

File: c787052af8051a1⋯.jpg (195.22 KB, 950x1290, 95:129, BoFV_004.jpg)

File: fea1b634986afe8⋯.jpg (140.78 KB, 490x700, 7:10, BoFV_005.jpg)

>>14654198

>every time i hear you say you consider it an exquisite example of craftsmanship and a fine showpiece for any collector of fine works, it pushes me to stand up and object with my own say on things. As much as you feel the need to voice your opinion on things, i feel that exact same need;

At this point I'm saying it because it pisses you off and this amuses me. No offense but it's not like someone came by and slapped your first borne child on the mouth.

>DQ did a disservice to the series by not being a proper sequel; it calls itself one while doing nothing to respect anything that came before it

No matter how many times you say this it's not going to be correct. The lore is changed, but the core concept is retained. This is the story of a boy named Ryu, a girl named Nina, and several others all while the bloodline of Ryu factors into his journey. I'm starting to agree with the other anon; if this is how the long-time fans treat a game like DQ, they didn't deserve another title themselves since they can't even look past their own nostalgia and xenophobia to see something for what it is and instead for what it isn't.

You don't have to like Dragon Quarter, I don't try and force people and if it hasn't been clear I'm more than aware of all the reasons why some people don't like it. But yeah, it's a great game to me, I love titles that break the mold and get a reaction out of me. Shame it has the label it does as the killer of a franchise but I'm happy it got made and I actually picked it back up to finally dust off that 1/4 run so if nothing else, thanks for helping to re-kindle my own affection for this title.


813663 No.14654307

>>14654255

>The lore is changed, but the core concept is retained.

>I love titles that break the mold

Pick one and only one, shitstain.

DQ is GARBAGE


6f84ab No.14654324

>>14654307

>Pick one and only one,

They aren't mutually exclusive if you stopped to think for 5 seconds. Core concept is intact, DQ does a lot different from it's own series as well as being a game that commits to some gameplay decisions that the broader audience of gamers don't necessarily like.


813663 No.14654375

File: c7fa64f788de358⋯.gif (951.89 KB, 500x425, 20:17, c7f.gif)

>>14654324

>Core concept is intact

>it breaks the mold

You're not very bright, though we both knew this since you like DQ.


6f84ab No.14654423

File: f45d53b7ac063c8⋯.jpg (226.73 KB, 680x794, 340:397, 1517959024185.jpg)

Already busting out the smug anime girls? Must be really desperate for some attention anon.


f3b856 No.14654441

>>14654255

Well, no, it's like someone let their dog shit Robin William's grave; nobody's really hurt but it's still a stunning lack of respect for something i care for deeply, and to hear you pop up and say Dane Cook is a much better comedian makes my stomach churn.

The ONLY things DQ has in line with the other BoF games is the names of the main characters. Ryu V isn't a member of the dragon clan, the closest thing he has is a wyvern curse, and he isn't a mute protagonist. Nina V isn't a Wyndian princess, she's not a member of the brid clan, and she doesn't even have the vibrant cheerfulness that most Ninas do. And going down the list: there's no animal tribes, you only get three people, no townbuilding, no fishing, no masters or skill learning, limited saves, hidden scenes that only show themselves on repeated playthroughs, and the very notion of partial restarts. This shouldn't have been a Breath of Fire game at all; if ti was just Capcom Presents: Underground Runaround, then yeah, sure, i'd hate it and leave it. But they called it BoF and now i gotta yell to the heavens my grief and lament when and where i can.

As i said before, a series is a series for the recurring themes that makes a series. When they made a game that doesn't adhere to those conventions, it doesn't belong in that series. You call it xenophobia, i call it tradition and genre. If i had any motivation and skill, i'd make a fan sequel to Dragon Quarter which would be a rhythm game/dating sim out of pure spite, and then ask you why you don't enjoy it.


f3b856 No.14654446

ah fuck left sage on from that shitposter yesterday

>>14654423

The thread's already bumplocked; we have nothing left except shitposting, circlejerking, and doubleposting.


6f84ab No.14654503

File: ac68444bcfa39b7⋯.jpg (73.29 KB, 431x605, 431:605, Ninas.jpg)

>>14654441

>i'd make a fan sequel to Dragon Quarter which would be a rhythm game/dating sim out of pure spite, and then ask you why you don't enjoy it.

Depends. Are the waifu's good and can I take them fishing?


f3b856 No.14654543

>>14654503

no nobody can go fishing because its dragon quarter

also lyn is a cheap knockoff of ursula from 4 both of who are inferior to momo from 3


6f84ab No.14654561

File: 272229218be8123⋯.jpg (147.58 KB, 650x930, 65:93, BoF5_lingenic.jpg)

>>14654543

>no nobody can go fishing because its dragon quarter

Well shit anon, I'll still play Breath of Fire V: Dragon Quarter - Dancing all night. Lin basically has a Space Channel 5 look going on.

>not liking Lin

That's some strong hate boner.


432bbd No.14654579

File: fa216a97d633ac4⋯.jpg (50.21 KB, 720x720, 1:1, fa216a97d633ac4a1086cbcb9f….jpg)

>>14654441

>then ask you why you don't enjoy it

But I would.


a80da8 No.14655172

File: 373c6d1c4ab1d40⋯.jpg (24.36 KB, 308x302, 154:151, Patrick bait b8.jpg)

>all these faggots tirelessly defending dragon quarter


014718 No.14657028

>>14655172

Is it wrong to see good things in games I don't really like but find it interesting if they are done right in a possible different game?


cf2f0d No.14657928

File: 369823b198e2cc8⋯.png (303.78 KB, 750x500, 3:2, 1498831091.png)

>>14655172

Imagine lurking a thread for days just to shitpost.


a64039 No.14658743

>>14657928

Imagine clicking on a thread for vidya just because it relates to your politics


f3b856 No.14658922

File: 4eea514bbd8215d⋯.webm (899.47 KB, 320x240, 4:3, AYOOOOOO.webm)




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