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0b1699  No.15927599

Archive to last thread: http://archive.is/WczmS

Visual Novel Database: https://vndb.org/

Visual Novel Starter Kit: https://pastebin.com/XKrrckWf (Includes info for beginners, terminology, recommendations, sources, and downloads for fonts and visual novels for beginners.)

Visual novel recommendation charts: http://animu-mango.wikia.com/wiki/VN_Recommendations

Nostalgic Visual Novels on-line: http://tss.asenheim.org/

Another online visual novel reading site: http://vnjs.thatplayer.com/

Rockmandash's Guide to Tablets for VNs: http://archive.is/B3cv5 (slightly outdated but still guides you in the right direction)

Fuwanovel VNs on Android Guide: https://forums.fuwanovel.net/topic/1323-android-visual-novel-lets-play-visual-novel-on-the-go/

Machine translation guides: https://amaenboda.wordpress.com/tag/how-to-use-agth/ & http://archive.is/5vgDa

You can check the status of Mangagemer translations here: http://blog.mangagamer.org/project-status/

Translation status for other VNs can also be found here. https://fuwanovel.net/category/vnts-latest/

<Recent news:

>Steam and GoG are having a winter sale for visual novels and other games.

https://store.steampowered.com/search/?term=visual+novel

https://www.gog.com/games?price=discounted&sort=popularity&page=1&category=adventure&language=en&search=visual%20novel

>Daedalus: The Awakening of Golden Jazz credits include English localization staff which may hint to an English localization. Arc System Works has yet to give any announcement on an English release however.

https://vndb.org/v23901

http://archive.is/EziG1

>(((Sekai Project))) announced 3 VNs to release for early 2019. Serment, Heart of the Woods, and Nanairo Reincarnation.

https://vndb.org/v19675 (Serment)

https://vndb.org/v21957 (Heart of the Woods)

https://vndb.org/v15473 (Nanairo Reincarnation)

>VenusBlood FRONTIER kickstarter reached its 4th stretch goal reopened preo-orders until April 2019.

https://vndb.org/v9409

https://venusbloodfrontier.backerkit.com/hosted_preorders

>World End Syndrome coming west for PS4, Switch in spring 2019

https://vndb.org/v22181

http://archive.fo/n1cjy

>Taiman Asagi Zero had the first third of the VN, including Murasaki's side story, translated by Rattan Man Translations.

https://vndb.org/r61125

http://rattanmantrans.tumblr.com/post/181396409130/heres-the-first-partial-patch-it-covers-the

Download link: https://mega.nz/#!qhhmQACb!r9Eq-neVKGmSU7ksQ86Div8VgWpuSw3A6nZNibyZRVA

>Hoshi Ori Yume Mirai had Rikka's route translated by Tsurezure Scans. This includes Marika, Misa and the common route. This leaves Sora, Natsuki and Touko's route.

https://vndb.org/v14265

https://tsurezurescans.wordpress.com/2018/12/24/hoshi-ori-yume-mirai-update-13-rikka-route-patch/

>"My Girlfriend Gets Aroused Watching Me Have Sex With Another Girl" was translated by Washi Translations on December 23rd. The link to the download can be found on the translator's page.

https://vndb.org/v13249

https://washitranslation.wordpress.com/

>Boku to Nurse no Kenshuu Nisshi had an english patch by "The Oxford Comma is Superior Subs" on December 22nd.

https://vndb.org/v22445

https://theoxfordcommaissuperiorsubs.com/downloads/

>Hyakka Hyakurou Sengoku Ninpou-chou was released on the Switch on December 20th with all the previous DLC.

https://vndb.org/v17287

>Sweet Pool was released on JAST Blue and Steam, on December 19th, for $19.99. A Steam restoration patch and demo is also available.

https://vndb.org/v1399

https://jast.blue/sweetpool.html

>SukiSuki (If You love Me, Then Say So!) released on Mangagamer on December 13th for $44.95. Translation patch can be found below.

https://vndb.org/v17376

https://www.mangagamer.com/detail.php?goods_type=1&product_code=1089

https://mega.nz/#!uwFEUSTB!f3ih43MW4HbLKJj_OaGJtY9bielouKPne0rzKQRC0YI

>Eikoku Tantei Mysteria released on PSVita on December 18th.

https://vndb.org/v8243

http://ladymysteria.com/

>Kami ni Aisareta Hanayome ~Mayonaka no Chigiri~ released in English for IOS and Android on December 12th.

https://vndb.org/v24374

>Lightning Angel Litona Liliche - Seomgwangcheonsa Litona Lilisye was released on December 5th on Steam for $11.99.

https://vndb.org/v24821

https://store.steampowered.com/app/923900/Lightning_Angel_Litona_Liliche/

>Do S na Onee-san wa Suki Desu ka? had a partial patch by mortalvyses on December 4th where the common route was translated.

https://vndb.org/v4503

http://blog.livedoor.jp/mortalvyses/

0b1699  No.15927607

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>>15927599

<Recent releases:

>"My Girlfriend Gets Aroused Watching Me Have Sex With Another Girl" was translated by Washi Translations on December 23rd.

https://vndb.org/v13249

https://washitranslation.wordpress.com/

>Hyakka Hyakurou Sengoku Ninpou-chou was released on the Switch on December 20th with all the previous DLC.

https://vndb.org/v17287

>BL VN Sweet Pool releases on Steam and JASTUSA for $19.99 for December 19th. Demo available on Steam.

https://vndb.org/v1399

https://jast.blue/sweetpool.html

>SukiSuki (If You love Me, Then Say So!) released on Mangagamer for $44.95 on December 13th. Translation patch can be found below and said patch will be updated in the future.

https://vndb.org/v17376

https://www.mangagamer.com/detail.php?goods_type=1&product_code=1089

https://mega.nz/#!uwFEUSTB!f3ih43MW4HbLKJj_OaGJtY9bielouKPne0rzKQRC0YI

>Bloody Chronicles – New Cycle of Death released on December 13th.

https://vndb.org/v18773

http://bloodychronicles.com/

<Upcoming releases:

>Kindred Spirits on the Roof Full Chorus releases on Mangagamer for $44.95 $29.21 on January 17th.

https://vndb.org/v8508

https://www.mangagamer.com/detail.php?goods_type=1&product_code=1093


0b1699  No.15927623

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Real archive for last thread: http://archive.is/isSJQ

Noticed right after I posted I forgot to change that. I didn't expect much news but still found some after a little digging. Kindred Spirits seems to be one of the only things officially announced for next month. Barely any other VNs have had a solid release date stated for Jan. Most just say Winter 2019 or Q1.


cb1a88  No.15927693

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>>15927599

Yay, hopefully Kindred is good.

>>15927599

Only decent think about Taiman is the art. Have no idea why people like it.


b58937  No.15927840

What is the westernization of the market gonna do long term. I can't imagine weebs have any worse taste than your average gook.


49124b  No.15927867

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>>15927607

>"My Girlfriend Gets Aroused Watching Me Have Sex With Another Girl"

/cuckquean/ plz


30b743  No.15928146

>>15927693

>Only decent think about Taiman is the art

It's downright criminal how cute the girls are and good the art is compared to the content. Even if you stick with the ones that don't have NTR, the sex scenes still consist mostly of constant ahegao screeching. It's just not sexy.

I hate to see lewd potential squandered like this.


0b1699  No.15928232

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>>15927693

I would imagine it's mainly due to the art and titty monsters getting dicked like crazy. It could also be a case of baby's first hentai that was actually pretty good. So they don't mind sticking with the VNs.

>>15927840

Depends on what you're talking about. If you're talking about the west making their own VN. They have a long way to go. They may have some good writers like we've seen with Crimson Gray but the good artists are no where near on the level as the JP community. They've had decades of crafting a culture around drawing cute girls. It would explain why there are tons of them now. Meanwhile, in the west, the few who draw porn usually just stick to commissions and have to deal with horrible hug boxes like Deviantart and Tumblr. Neither are good environments for artists IMO.

If you mean western companies trying to take over VNs. I believe Sekai will continue to try and obtain a monopoly on localized VNs. But I can't imagine them actually sustaining their current trend unless they make a major change to their structure. They have 30+ VNs under their belt that are still not translated. More and more companies might just avoid them like how all these devs will start avoiding Sony.


b4b29b  No.15928262

File: a6a3e59e703ff13⋯.png (255.32 KB, 474x708, 79:118, level up too fast.png)

Any recommended VN with wolf girls?


cb1a88  No.15928287

>>15928232

I know Frontwing and Churnsoft have set up their own publishing wings for the west because of the likes of Sekai and Nisa do bad ports or take too long in actually delivering the title.

>>15928262

https://vndb.org/g1305?fil=tagspoil-0.tag_inc-1305;m=0;o=d;s=pop

Not a lot.


d830ee  No.15928326

>>15927840

Lots and lots of niggers and some muslims. You're going to get a lot of anime girls talking about how they love nigger dicks.


49124b  No.15928349

>>15928287

>Frontwing

Ha, those guys can't self-manage their way out of a paper bag.


0b1699  No.15929134

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>>15928262

Tons of cat girls but barely any dog girls. Especially wolf girls. If you can stand the awful translation, then Libra of the Vampire Princess might be good. It has a great werewolf maid who's also the comic relief. This VN ticked most of the things I liked too. Sadly the translation was machine tier.

https://vndb.org/v17825

>>15928349

They definitely need better translators that's for sure. If My Heart Had Wings was considered a rewrite with how off the translation was. Saying that, I don't know how good the Phantom Trigger translations are.


d660be  No.15931523

>>15927840

>What is the westernization of the western market gonna do

You tell me


4ef544  No.15931640

>play Clannad

>finish nagisa route

>cry

>can't be too many routes for this game I assume

>10 routes

FUCK FUCK FUCK

are there any routes that are just uninteresting or the anime covered perfectly fine?


b7f976  No.15932064

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>loli wants a big paper

>she wants to put together all of her smaller ones to make a very large one

>protag gives her some glue to work with

>it goes about as well as you'd expect

>glue got everywhere, the loli is sticky and the papers are not only not in place, but on her dress as well

>he'll do it for her

>protag glues them together

>loli wants to get to work on her thing right away, but he stops her

>it has to dry first

>they get in the bath so he can clean her

>"there is no glue down there"

>the bath takes a while

>finally they are out

>loli marches around her big paper like a general inspecting his troops

>so what does she want to do with it?

>make a big plane

>the protag looks on as the paper folding process unfolds

>he stares at the final product in disbelief

>it's one metre in length and width

>true, the shape is like that of a paper plane

>but the nose is crooked and the wings are disproportionate

>a loli who could not make a small plane fly hopes that this one will

>"plane…"

>he doesn't say anything

>"Plane!"

>still no response

>"PLANE! PLANE!," she is yelling now

>"now what will you do?"

>now she plans to ride it and fly off

>he's not really sure about that plan

>tells her it would be too soon for the poor plane to take her right away

>she agrees

>a bit of time passes

>her patience has reached its limit

>she strides over to it

>picks it up with all of her mighty loli strength

>she is so happy

>surely it will fly

>runs with it and throws it

>it flies for 50cm

>before crashing into the ground and breaking into pieces

>the loli looks on with a sad face

>crawls over to the remains of the wreckage and pokes them as if to check whether they yet live

>there was no way it could fly

>she wants him to make a big one for her

>he says even he cannot do that

>she is disappointed

>but then it dawns on him

>"where would you fly to?"

>she doesn't know

>the loli wants to fly away but doesn't know to where

>he feels a shadow of unease overcome him

>a loli who should not ever think of leaving this place is

>they dance together to the piano music the butler plays

>protag is thinking how all of this will probably end soon

>hugs the loli

>she asks if he's in pain

>they stay like that for a while

>the butler has a cold smile on his face

>in his room

>completely lost all track of time and space

>can't remember how he got home or even out of the basement

>not sure if he visited the loli yesterday or the day before

>it probably doesn't matter anyway

>goes to see her

>she's drawing

>the fish, her master and herself

>struggles, but learns how to say *I* with a little help from her master

>Maiko comes to pay them a visit

>"I hope I'm not a bother"

>"You're always a bother"

>loli wants to impress her by showing off this great thing she just learned

>Maiko teases her

>she already knew how to say *I*

>Maiko is surprised the protag managed to teach the loli how to say that

>being her own person is not something the loli was ever meant to know or understand

>loli gives them a long speech, trying to give meaning to her broken sentences

>she just wants to say how she doesn't want anyone else but the protag to be her master and how he is special to her

>they hug


b7f976  No.15932066

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File: df394522eb1f242⋯.jpg (Spoiler Image, 79.44 KB, 800x600, 4:3, 2.jpg)

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>>15932064

>sees his imouto

>pets her hair and commends her for taking good care of his house

>it is all thanks to her that it has not fallen into disrepair so far

>proceeds to grope her breasts, twist her nipples and rape her

>has her clean him up

>fires his maid and gardener because the house will soon be sold anyway

>he's afraid of losing everything

>wakes up in the basement

>the loli who should be next to him in bed is not

>sees her staring at the aquarium in silence

>asks her what's wrong

>the fish are not moving

>she thinks they're sleeping

<has to try to explain to her that they are dead and will never move again

>the butler probably wanted to get rid of them, there's no one else down here but the three of them

>he takes the fish out and buries them in the garden outside

>loli feels pain in her chest

>she doesn't know what's going on

>he hugs her

>he is also sad

>she forces herself to offer to play with him

>he tells her it would not be fun like that

>she doesn't want him to be sad

>he hugs her again

>she can cry until she feels better

>he will be with her

>her warm tears stain his shirt

>she sobs in pain

>protag thinks how strange it is that he is so nice to this loli while he is more than willing to do terrible things to his imouto


b7f976  No.15932074

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File: 66a9032a0824bd0⋯.jpg (Spoiler Image, 119.84 KB, 800x600, 4:3, 2.jpg)

File: f16633a1b7b4d8a⋯.jpg (Spoiler Image, 136.44 KB, 800x600, 4:3, 3.jpg)

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>>15932066

>he's having a strange dream again

>the ominous loli tells him his end is near

>and so is hers

>but every ending is followed by a beginning

>he wakes up next to the loli

>she is afraid of death

>she doesn't want her master to die like the fish

>cries

>he holds her tightly and tells her everything will be fine

>he can feel his own end creeping closer

>he is not afraid or worried about himself

>but making this precious loli sad would be unacceptable

>she's blowing her bubbles

>suddenly stops

>asks the protag if they die when they pop

>has to somehow explain to this loli that they are not alive

>she is relieved

>she'd hate to make something die

>wants him to blow her a big bubble

>he remembers some method he and his friend came up with to make big ones when they were kids

>loli wants this method RIGHT NOW

>he doesn't have everything he needs here

>but she wants it NOW

>reaches out and gently pets her head

>it is the only thing that has reliably calmed the loli down so far

>tells her he'll get what he needs from "outside"

>she wonders if there are many things there

>sounds a lot like she'd want to go

>but there is no way he could invite her

>he's not sure what would happen

>they're playing chess while waiting for his plan to come through

>loli is very bad at it

>he used the big aquarium they already had and has brought a lot of soap

>finally the thing is ready

>she is jumping with joy

>why does looking at her make him so happy

>he truly did terrible things to his imouto

>they make a big bubble come out

>it's one meter in diameter

>she stares at it in silence

>if her eyes could eat, the bubble would be long gone

>it falls to the ground and pops

>she gasps for air

>she was not breathing out of fear she might ruin it and said nothing

>they make the next one

>she yells out how big and wonderful it is

>dances around it

>stands next to the protag

>she can see herself and him reflected in it

>"it's like we're the fish"

>turns somber

>protag tells her that she should never forget the fish

>somehow, it is good to see this innocent loli display a melancholy face

>they're like a real couple

Ending soon.

Also, I feel like these have been getting unnecessarily long lately, so I'll see about shaving off some unnecessary things.


30b743  No.15932164

>>15932064

>>15932066

>>15932074

Loli a cute. It's such a shame that turning her into a real person requires treating the imouto so terribly. Hopefully there'll be a way for both to get a happy ending.


557b61  No.15932325

>>15932074

Thanks for posting these. It really does repeat itself a lot huh?

>>15932227

Sad ██████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████


d660be  No.15933881

>>15932227

>[CUTE THING BAD]


94ba46  No.15933994

>>15928287

>Not a lot.

JUST!

>>15929134

>Sadly the translation was machine tier.

beggars cant be choosers, thanks for the rec, anon.


8c6ae3  No.15934003

>>15929134

Frontwing didn't do If My Heart Had Wings. Moenovel did.


b5505f  No.15936079

File: 4ea02d4300220ef⋯.png (2.46 MB, 1920x1080, 16:9, ClipboardImage.png)

>play through fuko's route

>getting increasingly depressing throughout

>feel sad and teary but nothing yet

>everyone forgets her but I still can't shed a fucking tear

it's depressing not being able to cry for some reason, I used to enjoy crying over stupid shit before


b6e8ac  No.15936110

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File: 623820275877b0f⋯.gif (3.17 MB, 320x240, 4:3, __ibuki_fuuko_clannad__006….gif)


b5505f  No.15936130

File: b38d864153dac76⋯.png (2.11 MB, 1920x1080, 16:9, ClipboardImage.png)

>>15936110

>get to the last few scenes

>tears

satisfying feeling achieved


b7f976  No.15938302

File: f3b7981b558425b⋯.jpg (Spoiler Image, 127.4 KB, 800x600, 4:3, wait a minute, that hair.jpg)

File: fcef3056e2284d9⋯.jpg (Spoiler Image, 137.83 KB, 800x600, 4:3, the final dream.jpg)

>>15932227

Only if your VN is strictly about paizuri.

Lolis are the greatest because all they want from you is your love and attention.

>>15932325

A lot of the crucial scenes are the same, but with minor changes to details here and there.

>>15932164

>both

Maybe individually and even that is uncertain.

Every damn ending so far has been a kick in the nuts of some kind.


82fd10  No.15938367

All I have are complaints.

>SukiSuki

<convoluted scene/confession system ensures that you'll be missing content forever and you have to play the same route at least 2, more likely 3 times if you want to see all the content there is

>but for your convenience, the best girls don't get their own routes so you don't have to worry about missing content for your mediocre heroines

Especially pissed about Maya. She's a rare kind of character, and they fuck it up by not putting her in the main cast.

>Bishoujo Mangekyou

<absolute horrid normalfag with shitty internal moral conflicts gets it on with a pure sadistic vampire

>he rips her clothes open

<massive D-E cup breasts spill out, despite the transparent clothes only showing A, at most B cups in all other artwork

<faggot starts raping her

<1 minute later and she's completely into it, drops the sadistic act, turns submissive

I don't know why you'd intentionally write a repulsive normaltrash player character for a self-insert bishoujo VN. Shit MCs are commonplace, but they're usually accidental, this one had to be on purpose.


f2e197  No.15938540

>>15938367

>Bishoujo Mangekyou

Every H scene so far has been what you described: dominating bitch gets touched and instantly turns into a mewling submissive fuckhole. "I don't want your stinking human cock you bast– OH GOD GIVE IT TO ME KIMOCHI YES MC-KUN FUCK ME HARDER!"


eda93d  No.15938545

>>15938540

It's a scientific fact no girl can win against dick.


563460  No.15938584

>>15938545

774 missed the memo


297186  No.15938604

File: a57936e308f4ed6⋯.jpg (691.98 KB, 1280x960, 4:3, creative food.jpg)

Is Never7 worth it? Considering I recently finished Ever17.


d830ee  No.15938606

>>15938540

>>15938367

And this shit is why I dropped it early. Why is it that every faggot that makes dominant loli(ish) girls turns it into [gorilla noises] instantly? How can they be so blind to their target audience?


24eb30  No.15938611

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>>15938604

Remember11 and Ever17 are great so I assume so, try it out.


30b743  No.15938769

>>15938367

Yeah, I'm pissed about SukiSuki too. All the main girls are dull and one-note, like Yuuki with her lewd jokes for example - an occasional joke from her would be pretty good, but 80% of everything she says is some kind of innuendo. It just gets boring. And then they rub it in by not giving routes to the two best girls. Maya was fucking great and I'll always be disappointed that her route was cut.

Another odd thing is that the side girls seem to have more emotional and character developing events, wheras most scenes with the main girls are just forgettable SoL that don't have any impact. So you end up with the player forming more of a connection with the routeless girls because not only are they more likeable, their events are better written and have more bearing on their romance with the MC.

I think this is the result of the confession system: since the player can confess at any time there can't be any kind of relationship building during the common route because you could easily miss it if you confess too soon, so they're forced to have a bunch of disconnected vignettes and then have the characters suddenly be in love after the confession even though they've never acted like anything more than friends. Since the side girls can't be confessed to, this restriction doesn't apply and actual relationship building can happen for them (but then not matter since they don't get routes or even a proper conclusion to their event chains).

The central gimmick of the VN ended up working to its detriment. I dropped it before even finishing a route, I might go back to see if the bonus girls are any good but I dunno.

>>15938540

Man I hate when that happens. It would be fine if it was a gradual change over the whole story, but when every H-scene is like that it's just dumb.


563460  No.15938780

>>15938769

Supposedly the red aidoru has the best route in SukiSuki, I'm probably going to give that one a shot before I drop it, but it's a shame. The confession system in itself is nowhere near interesting enough to justify how much it messed with the rest of the story.


d6fae9  No.15938791

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>2000 and fucking 19

>Still no Baldr Sky in sight

Sekike pls


30b743  No.15938799

>>15938780

I never even had to confess, Ayame confessed to me after the volleyball thing. They base their whole game around this system and you don't even have to use it.


b1dd63  No.15938999

>>15932064

>>15932066

>>15932164

loli a pure cute, imouto a shit


30b743  No.15939149

File: 6002fe276baf062⋯.jpg (55.75 KB, 460x355, 92:71, 1532425631.jpg)

>>15938999

>imouto a shit

Say that to my face fucker not online see what happens


9f1649  No.15939202

>>15938604

I dunno, Never7 is a bit crude in that it brings up the same sort of subjects as Ever17 but it doesn't quite fit it all together.


19344a  No.15939354

ISeed of the Dead is awesome. It's a fps zombie game. Whenever you heal someone something amazing happens.


07653d  No.15940212

File: ca217427b10009f⋯.jpg (146.63 KB, 960x720, 4:3, 1542999917450.jpg)

There are people that actually like Little Busters.


d7493e  No.15940249

File: 239e8427eb9cc96⋯.jpg (178.2 KB, 807x629, 807:629, 1384131989846.jpg)

I rewatched the anime Yosuga no Sora and now I really want to play it with the expansion but I can't find it translated.


d7493e  No.15940260

>>15928232

Visual novels are visuals, text and music, don't forget the music.


84bf68  No.15940747

File: a803dff9a50a881⋯.png (522.67 KB, 638x478, 319:239, grumpy mai.PNG)

Why is Mai always so grumpy, it's probably why she only has 1 friend and the fact that she's a fucking autistic chuuni.

>>15940212

There are people that thought Little Busters was the pinnacle of KEY, and that the earlier KEY games didn't have enough interactivity.

>>15938791

Maybe in current year+5 the jews will be gone and the world will start going round again.


82fd10  No.15941207

>>15940249

You mean the fandisc? The main VN's TL isn't even finished, so that one isn't happening any time soon.


10e284  No.15942089

File: 64dc59c97a0920b⋯.png (211.86 KB, 399x428, 399:428, 170701dflzmzrrbrbs.png)

Are there any really good cinematic visual novels out there (that don't have tons of filler)? I've been looking for something really good and have in fact found fault milestone to be really awesome (especially the first one) and necrobarista (hasn't come out yet but still). Necrobarista does look very promising, but does anyone know of any already known vns that have cinematic qualities to them? Genuine question, because I believe these could become a pretty big thing given the right time and good games that could come with them.


73a62b  No.15942299

>>15940747

>There are people that thought Little Busters was the pinnacle of KEY

it was

>and that the earlier KEY games didn't have enough interactivity.

it had nothing to do with that though, it was just the best written


f2e197  No.15942347

>>15940212

The only thing Little Busters did poorly was that aside from Rin and Kurugaya, the other girls' routes were completely isolated from the plot, served little to further the overall narrative of the story, and tended to have the rest of the Little Buster female crew to disappear during the last parts of the routes. Or to put it another way: Komari, Mio, Kud, and Haruka could be deleted from the game and the story wouldn't change much. However, the rest of the story is still pretty good, especially the common route. I'd say that the game suffered from "having to be a VN" and "having to please fans". KEY had to tack on the useless heroines to please VN fans.

>>15942299

>Little Busters

>best written

Not when Clannad exists. The entire build up to (huge spoilers) Tomoya moving on, accepting Ushio and forgiving his father was spectacular. Clannad is far from flawless, either in VN or anime form, but saying that the main story was poorly written is just lack of objectivity or being contrarian.


73a62b  No.15942386

>>15942347

i didn't say clannad was poorly written, pretty much everything i've read by key was well written including clannad (although the vn had some problems with route intros that overlapped feeling disorganized and unstructured) and clannad's story was amazing, i just liked little busters' a little better


e0730c  No.15942431

>>15942347

>>15942386

Speaking of Key, is the Air visual novel any good? Might play it after clannad.

still confused about the ending of Air's anime even after a good few years

why did that one character turn into a fucking crow


cc421a  No.15942456

>>15942386

>>15942431

Here's the central problem with Clannad: it wants to tug your heartstrings, so it doesn't think about anything else. Unfortunately for this vn, this means that it ends up being utterly contrived, unrealistic, and outright stupid.

This show expects us to believe that teenage girls act like five-year-olds. It expects us to care about these infantile, one-dimensional characters. It expects us to have genuine emotional reactions to the 'blossoming relationships' between our bland protagonist and these excuses for characters.

Is this too harsh? Let's look at the individual components that MAL expects us to rate anime by.

STORY: To be fair, the vn didn't have much to work with. Still, the outlandish (one word: Fuuko) and emotionally manipulative plot elements (most of the backstories that were explored) weakened what might otherwise have been a sweet, unpretentious slice-of-life drama/romance.

I mean: a story about a girl who is shy and has trouble making friends? Yeah, cool, you can watch Kimi no Todoke or something. A story about a girl with Mysterious Anime Disease who has the intellectual capacity of a child? Sorry, it's not working for me. [4/10]

ART: low budget, decent production values and art direction. Squishy moe character designs may not be everyone's cup of tea (Sanae looks barely older than Nagisa), but again, that comes with the territory. If anything, this aspect of Clannad makes me despair, because I can think of a lot of better visual novel series that deserve to have this sort of budget. 6/10

SOUND: Decent without being overdramatic, for the most part. Unfortunately, all the female characters sound like babies. [6/10]

CHARACTER: This is probably the greatest problem I have with Clannad. Few of the characters get much development. All of them (the female ones, anyway) exhibit some degree of fanboy-pandering. Kyou's tsundere-ness, Fuuko's quirkiness, Nagisa's unending sweetness, etc. - not to mention the fact that Fuuko, Kotomi and Nagisa, at least, sound at least half their age. Their childish and insecure natures (especially early in the vn) make for unrealistic characters - and therefore compromise this vns unrelenting attempts at making us care about them.

It's also hard to understand Tomoya's motivations at the start of the visual novel, i.e. why he even bothered with/cared about Nagisa et al. We get no insight into his motivations at all. Why would a so-called delinquent suddenly take up this project of helping a random girl he's never met before? Why does he find her interesting? What is the point? [3/10]

ENJOYMENT: Obviously higher if you're a moe fan, but those who derive little enjoyment from watching cute girls doing cute things might find this series rather trying.

Those who have their brain switched on will find this vn trying.

Those who think that female characters should actually resemble, you know, real people… yeah, don't watch this vn, it'll make you rage. [5/10]

If Clannad weren't so obviously manipulative, it might be a better series. Which is not to say that the series is obviously cynical - on the contrary, I think it exhibits a genuine warmth that lesser harem-type series lack. Yet the vn ultimately feels contrived and heavy-handed, and its unrealistic characters undermine its would-be heart-warming nature

>>15942431

Don't even bother. It's total shit and the branch choices make no fucking sense. It's probably worse than bible black as far as that goes.


73a62b  No.15942461

>>15942431

imo it's one of key's weakest works

it's still worth reading but it's not the greatest


e0730c  No.15942481

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>>15942461

The anime was pretty fucking weird so I'm not surprised.

>>15942456

Did you copy paste this from somewhere because from what I've seen of Clannad it's pretty fucking great. That and there's way too much effort put into this post.

>Unfortunately, all the female characters sound like babies. [6/10]

Not really.

Art is pretty weird but it's part of the charm.

Characters are perfectly fine.

Sounds like you're describing the lack luster but still good anime adaptation, in terms of characters at least.


191a10  No.15942564

The vn as a romance, was piss-poor with a mostly one dimensional female characters with only two that actually had somewhat decent personalities. For me at least, it failed to be a drama. The first arc is focused mainly around a character that was very annoying. I was uncaring of all that happened and I had absolutely 0 emotional input to everything since that part. Clannad the vn, is supposedly to be about drama and romance but the predominant aspect of its run of the mill comedy and slice of life aspects. It certainly hurts the vn. It had some decent moments, but pretty much all those moments were comedic and rediculous.

The primary love interest, Nagisa was probably the very worst character I've ever seen in a vn. She's as one dimensional as a 180° angle. Throughout the whole thing, Nagisa acts exactly like some toddler, she never goes through any sort of character development that I could reasonably call it that. Nagisa is the primary cause of Clannad's shitty story. Only two characters this vn includes (that are semi decent) are the male protagonists Okazaki and Sunohara. The only female characters that have some sort of personality end up being completely trivial. Overall, the characters are a huge mess and make this one of the most overrated and shit visual novels to date.


73a62b  No.15942703

>>15942564

>Clannad the vn, is supposedly to be about drama and romance but the predominant aspect of its run of the mill comedy and slice of life aspects. It certainly hurts the vn. It had some decent moments, but pretty much all those moments were comedic and rediculous.

complaining about common routes may as well just be complaining about the entire genre


d28990  No.15942705

>>15942481

Clannad's was probably one of the worst and most boring novels I've ever seen ever. I couldn't bring myself to get past even 2 hours of it, so I ended up going on the wiki to exactly what happens and nothing happened in this entire novel. It tries to be all dramatic, yet absolutely nothing worth being dramatic ever happens. The forced attempts at bringing about humor throughout the entire vn weren't funny at all and just made it a huge cringe fest.

Honestly 3/10. It and everything key has ever produced was nothing but copycat drivel that normalfags grovel at. If you want to experience a great vn that pulls at your heart strings, try a dream of summer because at least that doesn't have every single character be a totally generic that's just there to fill out the roles like >>15942456 pointed out. It also doesn't have every single character be some more type. At least a vn like grisia had an excuse for this. But clannad has absolutely none. Making it pandering trash and poorly written drivel only normalfags would like.


d28990  No.15942717

>>15942705

>character be some more type

*moe type


e0730c  No.15942737

File: a37866bbb7bc3d2⋯.webm (8.94 MB, 640x320, 2:1, mub lub.webm)

>>15942705

>I played the common route only

>my opinion is valid

Nope. If you only read the outcome to each route or the story in general rather than reading the entire fucking buildup off up to 100 hours then yeah it's going to be shit you fucking idiot.

>yet absolutely nothing worth being dramatic ever happens

>Kotomi loses her parents

>nagisa dies and so does her kid

>Yukine loses her brother

>Misae's boyfriend turns into a cat because the light orbs are a bunch of fucking cunts

>tomoyo a cute

Mei, Sunohara and Koumura's routes were pretty boring though.

It's like you read the beginning of mub lub and within two hours decided it was a shit fest without actually getting into the story.

You probably just have shit taste friend.


c60812  No.15942799

>>15942737

>Something that happens to everyone (besides the rediculous cat nonsense)

>S-see guys it's totally dramatic

Wow, what a sob story. I totally feel so sorrowful for them. I bet you actually liked rewrite. In fact, to a certain respect, it's exactly like rewrite…

>You helping the characters so you can get them to fall in love with you with absolutely no "build up" to it.

Key does the bare minimum as far as stories go and the fact they are so popular is because of this fact. They try to appeal to the widest audience possible making their work sub-par watered down shit.


e0730c  No.15942852

>>15942799

>>S-see guys it's totally dramatic

>people die

>this is sad

>haha this happens often so it's not dramatic or sad

???

>>You helping the characters so you can get them to fall in love with you with absolutely no "build up" to it.

Hang on a second here friend, you said you only played two hours? Correct? If that's true then you know jack shit, I'm not going to bother putting effort into talking about something I enjoy if you're not even going to play it for more than the common route.


ec0058  No.15942944

>>15942737

>Family member dies sob story cliche

Also:

>You probably just have shit taste friend.

>A dream of summer

>Shit taste

Are you a living joke? Milk Cat proved indisputably that you don't need thousands of dollars to make a good vn that's actually original for a change. He does not have shit taste idiot.

>>15942852

Are you a newfag? Do you not know what an id is? He's not the same person you are replying to. Unless of course you want to say he's using a proxy (which you have no proof of), I find your point redicious.

>E-every criticism someone makes of my favorite vn is nothing but a common route

I should not have to explain why your assumptions are childish and bullshit. All I'm going to say is that clannad was decent but way overrated. I don't think it deserved all the attention it got.


fa1095  No.15946021

File: aac76bab0e274a3⋯.png (106.42 KB, 275x787, 275:787, 9B454130-65F2-4AB9-862A-5F….png)

So I got around to playing muv luv series, it was a fun ride but alternative was kinetic and it was kinda boring at times along with some predictable moments like with jinguuji and capt izumi deaths. It’s a shame theres no Kasumi route and she was the only character I would have romanced the senseis had the best ecchi scenes tbh. Are there any good mecha vn with meaningful choices?


eda93d  No.15946026

>>15946021

>she was the only character I would have romanced

Great taste anon, Kasumi was my favorite too. It's not too heavy on choices but Demonbane is pretty fun.


fa1095  No.15946155

>>15946026

Yea Kasumi was the only character that had the best interactions, most of muv luv unlimited I was looking for options to romance her and I was bummed out that you couldnt even though she had the most memorable moments. I found demonsbane buried in my backlog when you mentioned it cause the name sounded familiar and im gonna start playing it as my next vn, thank you for the rec.


c5e491  No.15946606

File: baf9ca066a7c482⋯.jpg (108.66 KB, 800x600, 4:3, 0press-switch-take-your-fr….jpg)

>>15942852

>>15942737

>>15942481

Visual novels that I have completed before this were Muv-luv and ignanock (not even mentioning real novels), and I expected this to be far superior to these two vns because of dealing with something as surreal as family and coming of age themes in a realistic setting. I waited over half a year for the english release to come out and instantly bought it when it arrived. Well, having reached the true end after 50 hours of reading, I have to say I was disappointed. It was extremely difficult for me to enjoy the story because it's riddled with so many dramaturgical blunders, the major ones being:

>Cartoonish protagonists and forcibly inducing drama.

Pretty much the entire cast is made up of generic harem/moe characters, and very sloppy ones at that. There's the a tsundere, the kind woman, shy clumsy girl, manchild, a retarded comic relief buddy, and so on. All of them do not even behave even remotely like real flesh and blood, complex people do (with only a couple "brilliant" exceptions like Yoshino and Tomoyo). The most terrible offender is nagisa, who is the very first woman the main protagonist meets up with and the predominant love interest, and the try hard likability of what the after story section so heavily relies on. Putting it more bluntly, she is an absolute imbecile. She acts exactly like some five-year-old would, never achieves a single thing by herself, she constantly needs to be supported by tomoya, does not have any even semi interesting chemistry with tomoya, and is plainly useless trash. The very last straw that broke the camel's back for me was: At the very moment when nagisa - who is purported to become the head of the drama club she wished to create again - revealed that she (the 5 year old) had never even SEEN a single play before, I immediately lost EVERY SINGLE LAST BIT of remaining sympathy I ever had for this excuse of a character.

>The pacing

It was also far far too slow when factoring in the relation to the actual amount of story content that wasn't just filler. 95% of the time is spent up on the so-called "slice of life" parts, of which are meant in a shitty attempt to develop the characters, but in actuality are just filler. Resulting in it, is that the plot is pretty much in a stand still the entire time (besides muh sob-stories that come out of nowhere). The after story isn't any better: tomoya starts off life as a adult, starting a career and has his own apartment and so on. Aside from the admittedly decent apprentice mentorship relations, this part of the vn isn't told in any particularly engaging or realistic way, it just all happens. Very slowly.

PART 1


c5e491  No.15946609

File: 686e3664a5bb6af⋯.jpg (85.87 KB, 1200x675, 16:9, 7119c434ced9d19d450fb2e7fd….jpg)

>>15946606

>The routes

The routes in the school story (literally half of the VN) have exactly the same formula as the rest: tomoya meets some character, several hours of reading ended up being spent on getting to know their phony personalities, the sad stuff happens, and then the main protagonist fixes everything again. We could have learned of how their parents died, or something very unfortunate is going to happen to them. Do that's real comes from CHOICES YOU MAKE: it grows directly from elements of the story such as the main character attempting to obtain some objective, interacting between other characters with different worldviews and goals, mistakes made due to inner weakness in their personalities, and very difficult choices and consequences of those choices. "Drama" in clannad comes from the authors forcing every misfortune onto all the characters (Muv-Luv is also very guilty of this); appealing to lowest common denominators, the best example is kotomi's backstory. The problems of the drama come from the mind set the stories are produced in. Key, the developer of clannad, is a company that tries to specialize in creating vns called nakige, a crying game, games that try to make you cry and forget everything else important. Nothing is surprising about any of the "sad" stuff once you expect it because of the genre, and it is very ineffective when I there's nothing to genuinely care about with any of the characters. It's just shitty melodrama that feels exploitative and shallow

>The "sad scenes"

The most famous, so-called "tear-jerking" parts happen near the very end of the after story that covers tomoya and his relationship with his dad. After about 45+ hours of waiting, you can have the payoff, I was resolved in annincredibly anticlimactic and contrived fashion. Basically, just like that. There's crying thrown into it in an attempt to make it look "moving".

>The themes

Lessons in Clannad are inoffensive and safe, aimed at trying to make the reader a better person. Such as:

>You should try to be more considerate of others around you.

>Honest and hard work pays off.

>Sometimes things will not always go the way you want and you must look at the bright side of things.

>Always search for better solutions in problems that don't seem to have one.

Etc. You gain very little from these cliched lines of text because they were something I already knew ages ago or in some cases I disagree with. Irl, I have dealt with way more nuanced and complex situations than I ever read in clannad.

PART 2 AND FINAL


d0ce68  No.15946723

When's Monobeno?


8f3317  No.15946728

File: 07e2b713d91a4e5⋯.png (940.07 KB, 1200x612, 100:51, cute.png)

>>15946609

>that pick

>some reprehensibly lazy pansy ripped-off Bishop vidya

He and his trash deserves to be given a delousing shower


fa1095  No.15946731

>>15946606

>>15946609

So, should I skip clannad or play it just to see what the fuss is about?


eda93d  No.15946739

>>15946606

>She acts exactly like some five-year-old would, never achieves a single thing by herself, she constantly needs to be supported by tomoya, does not have any even semi interesting chemistry with tomoya, and is plainly useless trash.

Congratulations, you just described every real woman in the world except they have no likable traits. Aside from that difference she is realistically written.


8f3317  No.15946740

File: 45c0fcd1e266178⋯.png (1.05 MB, 798x596, 399:298, Cat NTR.png)

>>15946021

>kinetic

I hate this. Worthless.

If I wanted to "play" a "game" where I had absolutely no input I'd just flip open a book.


8f3317  No.15946751

>>15946731

Depends–Do you have a girlfriend you can take comfort in after you watch your heart get the Marsellus Wallace treatment?

Get ready to feel really alone


fa1095  No.15946773

File: 901243a22d8411a⋯.jpeg (201.88 KB, 1024x711, 1024:711, C101D12D-BCE3-415B-A326-8….jpeg)

>>15946751

Sadly no_


c5e491  No.15946841

>>15946728

I never even read that vn yet and second off

>Bringing up the gas chamber like the stereotypical Hollywood induced "Nazi"

Nice try kiddo. I bet you've never even read the myth of the 20th century.

>>15946731

Yeah you definitely should skip it. It just produces a huge headache for anyone who has an iq above two digits.

>>15946739

>she is realistically written

>says the nigger that has an iq of 70


30b743  No.15946893

>>15946740

Yeah that was annoying, especially with Alternative's interdimensional/time travel plot. It's a great opportunity to have multiple routes weaving in and out of each other that amount to more than just which girl you chose, but they didn't take advantage of it.


eda93d  No.15946993

File: 0bc1678d313a70b⋯.png (48.87 KB, 627x620, 627:620, 7221a3f8b925c28df63aac4632….png)

>>15946841

>he thinks women are anything more than retarded animals you can fuck


240591  No.15948189

>finishes clannad

what the fuck do I do with my life now?


08a115  No.15949157


eda93d  No.15949407

File: e2fe8c96ceac16d⋯.jpg (38.44 KB, 371x550, 371:550, 3d_HET.jpg)

>>15949157

>being a feminist.


c60812  No.15949431

>>15946606

I hated clannad to the core. It makes me happy to see somebody rip it apart like you have. Every single thing that people call drama in that pile of garbage are just cliche stories with overly dramatic (melodrama like you pointed out). If there were no "dramatic" parts to them no one would even give to stank shits about this novel. There were no characters I could bring myself to like were in this visual novel. The relationships in this vn feel stilted and lacking of any real connection between the main character and the women. Not even mentioning that kotomi is a blatant rei ripoff. Boo. If you want vns that genuinely make you care about the characters, try if my heart had wings, grisaia, or even maji de watashi. Kazuko's story was far more interesting and compelling then any of the cliches you'll ever find in clannad.

>>15946993

Being "realistic" as in, having the characters act in such a way that they give off emotions that actually feel real, or of them not acting like children the entire time. Most women (even in real life) are no where near the stupidity and uselessness nagisa was at. If there was a uselessness scale, she would have broke it.


022218  No.15949475

I thought the his response was pretty well written. Where's your rebuttal dickweed.


fd67c2  No.15949635

File: fdf51a71d578610⋯.jpg (503.37 KB, 1598x1246, 799:623, inside_elon_musks_mind.jpg)


8aaacd  No.15949649

>>15927599

I thought the first picture of your post was from Corpse Party.


49e844  No.15949803

File: e1c6d3af316577f⋯.png (2.01 MB, 1920x1080, 16:9, ushio and tomoya3.png)

>>15949463

I've come to the understanding that the only thing you should care about is your own opinion, the past week of finishing clannad has been a mildly depressing one and lots of late nights to the extent where my sleeping routine got so fucked I've stopped eating properly again but it was definitely worth the time. Not sure why the other guy was so adamant on the characters being realistic though, it's fucking anime. Last time I checked anime had little girls jumping off a plane and driving a jeep while shooting a gun out the window. He can have his own opinion but of course, it is the wrong opinion.


3800e5  No.15949834

>>15949803

>Not sure why the other guy was so adamant on the characters being realistic though

>Someone who knows nothing about what makes fiction great says something retarded again

Everyone in this thread understands that clannad is a work of fiction. It's just that having people act in a realistic manor makes the characters actually relatable in some way shape or form. Otherwise you get grade A tier autism (much like marvel comics or something similar).


49e844  No.15949839

>>15949834

>It's just that having people act in a realistic manor makes the characters actually relatable in some way shape or form

It was good enough for me to enjoy so I don't really care all that much.


0021a8  No.15949859

File: 7868df1874ced3b⋯.jpg (320.1 KB, 1000x672, 125:84, CLANNAD.full.204322.jpg)

File: 4c3a78808dfac19⋯.jpg (1.65 MB, 4574x3143, 4574:3143, CLANNAD.full.861836.jpg)

File: 6b32e4de9cebef0⋯.jpg (1.74 MB, 2560x1600, 8:5, clannad_furukawa_sanae_fur….jpg)

>>15949803

I wasn't lying before when I said it ripped out my heart and replaced it. I could give you some sob story about what happened to me but suffice to say that when I played this back in 2012 it made me feel alive again. Furukawa's acting like a family, daily interactions at school even tomoyo's lesson of not regretting Nagisa or end up losing her. It helped me realize long dead emotions like happiness and sadness and helped me get more in touch with them,

I don't regret going through it, never will if it helped me grow that much.


99b90b  No.15949866

>>15949803

>>15949834

>>15949839

The older I get the more I need the world that is set up by the fiction to always stick to the rules it sets itself up with, and to not suddenly either break those rules or create new rules which didn't exist before for no good reason. I haven't read Clannad but if it doesn't stick to the rules it purports to run by then it is a failure as its own original story. This is the same reason a large majority of movies to have released in the last 10-20 years (maybe more for those who care about movies) have been so awful, and why both movies and TV are generally not worth an engaged viewer's time anymore.


49e844  No.15949874

File: 91148485c973db5⋯.jpg (Spoiler Image, 1.14 MB, 1600x1200, 4:3, 536547.jpg)

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>>15949859

I adore the story as well, definitely got me teared up quite a few times more than I'm happy to admit but I never really had what you had at least, but it's great to know that an autistic visual novel that can at least bring you back a bit. snowfield is the best song in the ost, having seen the anime before the visual novel as soon as that fucking song played my mind knew exactly what was about to fucking happen and all of a sudden Ushio is dying

>>15949866

It follows its own rules perfectly fine from what I had seen, there's nothing all of a sudden added in the end to give a deus ex machina, throughout the entire game you're helping others and gathering orbs of light so in the end you helping others allows you to be helped so you can actually be happy. I'm sure the other anon will disagree but I'd definitely say at least give the vn or anime a try. It's not as bad as he's making it out to be, I will admit the characters can seem a bit off at times, every show has that but it's definitely a good show/visual novel in my opinion.

I'm able to enjoy a lot of movies nowadays either way so maybe my taste is shit afterall, but I don't really care. Clannad to me is a very important piece of work and I'd always recommend you play it yourself first rather than just listening to random people on the internet, in the end your own opinion is what matters not others.


c5e491  No.15949961

File: 918703a296d3830⋯.jpg (38.1 KB, 480x360, 4:3, 918703a296d3830a0138e5d763….jpg)

>>15949866

Well, it is an absolute failure of game design. Clannad is a slice-of-life drama. It was obviously trying to bring out realistic reactions by the characters and emotions that make sense given the situation. To say "I don't care about realism in this setting", is like saying you don't like shooting things while playing an fps game. It also forgets (that in this setting) that not ever single fucking character the protagonist meets is going to have something very tragic happen to this. The concept is fucking rediculous.On an unrelated note, the choices given are also shit. Even one wrong option and your thrown astray and end up with a shitty end. It would have made more sense to have some variation for the endings and like "good end, bad end, great end, etc". This is why vns with branching options most often end up like shit.


0021a8  No.15949970

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.

>>15949874

My favorite song would be 'To The Same Heights', got this nice even tempo that steadily picks up as you push through it.

'Spring Wind' is something I remember from memory because you hear it so much and of course 'Nagisa' 's tune is infectious with that simple piano that grows into the dango theme.

Good music all round, really mellow stuff.


49e844  No.15949991

Invidious embed. Click thumbnail to play.

>>15949970

Personally I do absolutely pretty much every song, but Snowfield and Roaring tides are my absolute favorites.


f57589  No.15950020

>>15949475

they don't have any genuine responses to give of all the criticisms clannad recieves. they'll just keep going on and say that "it's the best vn ever" while ignoring everything people say about the matter. and if they don't, all of a sudden that issue doesn't matter to them. pretty much all the blather they spew is adjective laden and utterly devoid of anything meaningful. the fact is, that I don't even hate clannad I just think it's mediocre. saying this though, I absolutely hate most of the fans of this game.


d28990  No.15950087

>>15949859

>Second image

Is an obvious rip off of Rance. I can't believe you faggots can't see the copycat trash that clannad is. Even doki doki literature club is better. Christ.


cc6f41  No.15951028

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.

>>15949991

>>15949970

what about the soundtrack? from the kind of AAA budget they were working with, you'd expect something to go right for a change. it also doesn't compare to significantly lower budget vns like battle moon wars, forest, fate hollow ataraxia. or even >>15942089 fault milestone that matches the soundtrack and situation perfectly (probably the best ost in any vn yet).


49e844  No.15951093

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>>15951028

Sound track is great personally, music is highly individual though. A lot of the music can be repetitive which is a turn off for many but I like it.

The soundtrack isn't perfect though but neither is Clannad but unlike the other anons I wouldn't call it mediocre, though I probably am quite a bit biased due to the impact it had on me when I first watched the anime and that I've only just finished the VN.

speaking of soundtracks do you know what that one really good from muv luv was? I'm probably going to have go trudge through the entire ost again to find it as I don't remember a single note

Also seeing as everyone here apparently has better taste than me in VN's, are there any others that are decently long and will rape my heart? physically and mentally, I don't want to be able to fucking stand by the end of it Preferably more than muv luv, I don't feel dead inside enough yet.

>>15950087

>Is an obvious rip off of Rance

I've yet to play Rance, proofs?

>>15950020

I'm not genuinely responding because I'm shit at arguing, so I don't bother. You can have your own opinion while I'll have mine. There's little that will be achieved by arguing either way, neither of us will change our opinions at the end of the day.


c60812  No.15952760

>>15949431

Just kidding fam, I actually love clannad.


34d32b  No.15952964

Sorry about the deletion of the second thread, I didn't authorize it.


3368b5  No.15952987

>>15952980

Deleting thread for one specific VN that was discussed to death years ago and is a lighting rod for sjweebs isn't the same thing as banning all VN discussion. Seriously halfchan's KS general is at something like #4000 and they lost count years ago.


4c1333  No.15952991

File: a2839dae6eba915⋯.gif (2.21 MB, 500x324, 125:81, Majima....gif)

>>15952964

Someone created a second thread for some reason. Don't worry about it.

I should have some spare time tomorrow to finally start PM1 and take a look at that. I've seen the opening and it's a bit more simplistic than PM2 so if you'd like to help me create a little daughteru to raise I need

>Family name & Daughter name (max 8 letters)

>Blood type of A, B, AB and O

>And a birthday.


34d32b  No.15952997

>>15952987

Yeah, but it should've been bumplocked or redirect here to the very least. my apologies about the ban. I already undid it.


3368b5  No.15953001

File: fa9880906cdc35f⋯.png (193.5 KB, 1407x591, 469:197, cuckchannel.png)

>>15952987

>>15952980

They're apparently 'only' at #3592 so I was a bit off. Still KS discussion is worthless at this point and that thread was just trying to talk about KS instead of actual VNs.

>>15952997

Which thread? The duplicate VN thread was literally just someone complaining about the KS thread being deleted after he spammed it. Seafoam was right to delete in context it since he saw the events leading up to it.


4c1333  No.15953004

>>15953001

>>15952894


34d32b  No.15953006

>>15953001

The second KS thread, not the second VN thread. Either way a bumplock is more appropriate.


4c1333  No.15953007

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34d32b  No.15953010

>>15953007

Yeah, THAT one was deleted. The other thread should not have been deleted.

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3368b5  No.15953014

>>15953006

>>15953010

Oh my mistake. Carry on then. Either way I don't think there's anything left worth discussing about KS. It's like Undertale where anons have wrung all the worthwhile discussion out of the topic and it's just attentionwhoring and porn dumps nowadays.


34d32b  No.15953020

>>15953014

I agree, but it's about consistency if anything. Like maybe we'll lock the threads and redirect them to this thread, but they should still be allowed if people actually want to talk about it.


d40e23  No.15953021

>>15953007

>Sengoku Rance

Played that recently, pretty good at first but once the demon army kicks, kills almost every character and becomes your only massive opponent, it gets boring. No I don't want to have to play it 10 times to beat it properly.


d40e23  No.15953024

>>15953020

Like you said, when in doubt bumplock is the best option. It was an anniversary thread, they're rare as fuck here so I would have given it a bumplock.


3368b5  No.15953028

>>15953003

Certain games do not need their own threads for a variety of reasons. Undertale, Katawa Shoujo and Overwatch are three such games with Dota 2 being a borderline case.

>>15953020

Locking and redirecting here is probably a good compromise.


7cbeb9  No.15953034

>>15953021

>once the demon army kicks, kills almost every character and becomes your only massive opponent,

>No I don't want to have to play it 10 times to beat it properly.

How about once or twice, but properly? If the demon army is killing all the people you should have, then that just means you're garbage at the game. Get good, faggot.


3368b5  No.15953042

>>15953036

Are you new? They've been banned topics for years because of what cancer they drag in and how little of substance there is left to discuss.


34d32b  No.15953048

File: d98616e6d149ed9⋯.jpg (17.52 KB, 371x356, 371:356, smug_negro.jpg)

>>15953036

>being this new


b5e7b3  No.15953051

>>15953036

>why doesn't mark allow goat porn threads

Fuck off retard


b1ef33  No.15953057

>>15953036

Because the game doesn't feature someone saying mean things over twitter. Therefore it's not allowed on /v/


3368b5  No.15953059

>>15953053

>Seems all like perspective to me. Can you define cancer? What rule does that impede upon? Also, can't I just say that the Visual Novel threads, or the GBF threads, or the Neptune threads or x threads drag in cancer as well?

You clearly were not here back when everyone formed a consensus to remove those topics from /v/. By the end they were just wall to wall cancer.

>How can you say this, too? There have been Doom threads for many more years than Overwatch and Undertale combined. Yet Doom threads haven't been discussed to death and don't get banned on sight?

Doom has an extremely active modding scene that adds new content all the time. The others are dead games two of which might sometimes get shitty DLC of no consequence thrown at them.


d40e23  No.15953060

>>15953027

Shit I don't know, some games have very exhausted discussion, like Undertale. On second thought I would have allowed it since it's so rare, but bumplock any further ones made soon afterwards.

>>15953034

I used all my turns as best I could to conquer, but they still absorbed Takeda, Motonari, Takuga and Uesugi (which I tried to conquer but the game just told me to fuck off when I should have taken it over). Still not a bad game, I just prefer the early parts by a long shot.


b5e7b3  No.15953068

>>15953055

>hurr durr not an argument meme

>posting cuck ecelebs

The only person without an argument is you


b5e7b3  No.15953087

>>15953083

Imagine being this anally devastated because you couldn't talk about a slideshow involving cripples.


d40e23  No.15953096

>>15953083

We're a shitty obscure mongolian tapestry board populated by autists, not some high standard legal forum. There's a ton of stuff that gets dictated by the style and taste of the community, like which games aren't allowed. While Undertale and KS are questionable, some games flat out don't deserve genuine threads, like Overwatch, Fortnite, etc.


3368b5  No.15953100

File: abda8f55ecfe10c⋯.webm (4.35 MB, 900x506, 450:253, jc_run_away.webm)

>>15953083

>Have you seen old images of 4chan? By your definition, that was cancer. There were tripfags everywhere and memes not a single anon would be caught dead with were used frequently and as normally as we use periods

Sure and even /v/ here had its problems back in 2014. Nostalgia is a powerful thing.

>Excellent logic there.

The developers realising they need some cash and adding a handful of skins is not the same as the endless amounts of actual content mods add to doom on a daily basis. You could literally limit yourself to only playing doom's vanilla content and its mods for the rest of your life and never run out given the ~25 years of backlog and the rate at which more content is being produced. Doom was also a deeper game to begin with while the others mentioned have extremely shallow gameplay and writing if any writing at all.

>There have been Deus Ex threads for years and that one doesn't get new content either, but apparently those threads are allowed by your logic.

Deus Ex does have mods actually and the game itself is one of the most complex and multilayered ever made. Semi-regularly people will post things I didn't know about like vidrelated and I've finished the game more times than I can remember.

You have the whole rest of the internet to discuss normalfag trash. Pick literally anywhere else but don't shit up the one sanctuary we have here.


3368b5  No.15953107

>>15953097

>I say this as a guy who likes to discuss dota 2 as well.

As if we needed more proof you don't belong.

>Also don't be surprised if a thread you don't like is created some time in the future.

So you're going to spam the board with stuff you know isn't allowed then cry when you get banned. Got it.


b5e7b3  No.15953110

>>15953097

>I say this as a guy who likes to discuss dota 2 as well.

>discussing ASSFAGGOTS

>ever

Thank you for confirming and telling everyone that your opinion doesn't matter. We already knew but it's good to hear you admit it, as it is the first step towards accepting oneself. Now please kindly fuck off to whatever shithole you crawled out off.


3368b5  No.15953129

>>15953121

>It certainly wasn't normalfag trash a few years ago. What changed? I can remember when Undertale was celebrated on /v/ as normal - that was right after the browser game was released.

Undertale was a forgettable game that would have had discussion die off naturally if not for the huge artificial push to declare it art by (((journalists))): mark had to step in and prevent it getting out of hand and the vast majority of /v/ agreed with him then and still does now. Dota 2 and Overwatch were normalfag trash from day 1. Don't try to revise history particularly when you obviously weren't around to see it at the time.


f2e197  No.15953141

File: c92dff6847154cd⋯.png (1.14 MB, 816x658, 408:329, rancedoingitright.png)

>>15953021

You suck, git gud.


3368b5  No.15953142

>>15953141

Does this work on GNU/Linux by the way?


f2e197  No.15953146

>>15953142

Probably not. Mangagamers is going to release a re-translation eventually, should wait for that.


3368b5  No.15953148

>>15953146

I guess I'll wait. Maybe give it a shot with wine or something.


d40e23  No.15953150

>>15953141

>turn 132

well my first playthrough looked pretty much like that at that point

are the other Rance games as good?


08a115  No.15953151

>>15953129

Not him, but assuming your opinion of the definition of normalfag trash is true, would you be so kind as to direct us towards the rule which says normalfag trash is bannable?


3368b5  No.15953154

>>15953151

There are rules about posting nothing but non-vidya shit which is what threads on all of those topics are thanks to discussion being worn out. There's no need to derail this thread back into meta discussion. Best to leave the topic alone now.


08a115  No.15953157

>>15953154

Debatable, considering other threads which arent banned but don’t have vidya discussion, but I’ll agree to disagree. This thread has gone off the rails too much.


f2e197  No.15953162

>>15953150

It's more about the 3 commanders/3 troops. The first Rance game is mediocre. The remake of the second game isn't that much better, graphics excluded. Haven't played the others, but I've heard good things about Kichikuou.


3368b5  No.15953174

Just filter and ignore the metafag.

>>15953162

Would I lose out on any story by skipping the first two anyway?


84bf68  No.15953179

>>15953174

In the first one it's just the antics of Rance going around and doing shit, nothing of importance, unless you wanna see a few pixel art lewds of girls. The second one I think you meet a few characters who show up in the late games, but only about 2-3, and the lewd scenes in it aren't very good in it honestly, I think the first game had more than this second one.


3368b5  No.15953183

>>15953179

Right. I'll probably skip them then and maybe go back and play them if I'm really feeling it.


d40e23  No.15953192

>>15953185

We are and that's how it is, that's how it works around here, a sort of mob rule. It's only really a problem if Mark starts doing shit the community disagrees with, and banning shit games like assfagets and battle royale isn't one of them.


a5a550  No.15954213

>>15946606

>>15949431

The problem with clannad is that is fails to be a coherent story. As a novel, it fails on the most fundamental parts of being an actual novel. It's practically just a dating sim with no real bonding done between the characters, its just shallow bullshit. Basically, the entire game you go around skipping classes and "hanging out" with the other characters and one day out of the blue, all of a sudden your in a relationship with one of the other characters (that I never grew to care about). The choices you make appear to seem meaningless. If there was an analogy, it was an awfully lot like playing darts while wearing a blindfold. My expectations for the game were that everything I did was going to be meaningful and that the relationships were going to be very deep with great dialogue. My expectations were shattered once I completed the game tbh. The game is way overrated and not worth all the excessive time just to complete it.


5ffa94  No.15954280

clannad has reached historical proportions. much like how huniepop or undertale has. proving once again that just because it's popular, doesn't make it a good game. what i have learned over time with vidya, if it has a great degree of people (percentage wise) who love/like it; it most likely is shit and probably has a niche fanbase.


e33408  No.15954541

Is Yume Miru Kusuri worth playing? Looks pretty good so I'm probably gonna play it shortly. Anyone got any other VN's that are depressing and good?


f2e197  No.15954548

>>15954541

It's entry level, but still very enjoyable.


e33408  No.15954571

>>15954548

Alright, I'm trying to find more on vndb but not really finding any that looks spectacular. Might play Kanon afterwards though, heard that's a good one.


7c5d9e  No.15954717

File: a5b512f720cc3ac⋯.jpg (57.64 KB, 800x601, 800:601, Sakumi_KillerQueen.jpg)

What's your favorite heroine of all time anons?


b7f976  No.15955137

File: ff902ec98763f70⋯.jpg (Spoiler Image, 1.66 MB, 2325x3476, 2325:3476, 12313543245.jpg)

>>15954717

>hear about this F/SN novel thing

>apparently it has lewd content and is good

>fall in love at first sight with this strange, cute girl

>think she's going to get a route

>it never comes

>she suffers throughout the whole thing

>cry at the end of HF

>she will never be relevant again

>she will always be stuck in franchise that's been on a downward spiral since the original VN

>she will only be remembered after a slutty fanservice show

>she will never find true happiness

Fuck my retarded heart.


b4326c  No.15955192

File: e1e85c4e89195a1⋯.jpg (Spoiler Image, 36.86 KB, 800x600, 4:3, e71253eb9c9e8d27e45fc7c4a6….jpg)


b7f976  No.15955213

File: 1cfe9f2e5f0b797⋯.jpg (Spoiler Image, 387.58 KB, 1000x812, 250:203, 1cfe9f2e5f0b7975e4077f4cdb….jpg)

>>15955192

I can still hear the music.


44da59  No.15955253

>>15938606

I'm going to go out on a limb here and guess that you are not, in fact, the target audience. Unless you're Japanese.


82fd10  No.15955265

>>15955253

Just because someone's Japanese doesn't automatically mean they have shit tas-OH WAIT


44da59  No.15955317

>>15942456

>Here's the central problem with Clannad: it wants to tug your heartstrings, so it doesn't think about anything else. Unfortunately for this vn, this means that it ends up being utterly contrived, unrealistic, and outright stupid.

Could've ended it all right here, m8.

>>15942737

It's like you read the beginning of mub lub and within two hours decided it was a shit fest without actually getting into the story.

But MuvLuv is shit, m8. Not even BSing, the writer for that series is not a strong one.

>>15946606

To be fair, Clannad was a clear attempt to bottle lightning a second time, as that team had done with Kanon. Kanon, while not some dramatic powerhouse, did have a means to have its characters grow on you, at least enough to care when various shit went down. Bad Things So Sad is a staple of Key and quite frankly it's exhausting that they use it in almost every iteration repeatedly until the novelty wears off (in effect, exactly the things wrong about Clannad). It was slightly more tolerable in the aforementioned Kanon, if only because there were actual individual dynamic stories being told per route. With Clannad, you may as well be running in place.


44da59  No.15955322

>>15955265

Be that as it may

>You will never be the primary income for most of these studios, thus dictate what aspects of writing, and therefore waifus, end up trending


84bf68  No.15955770

File: b6a6b6f596c345d⋯.png (531.21 KB, 693x390, 231:130, ClipboardImage.png)

>>15954717

Maid dresses are cute.


621652  No.15960248

File: 02accc61de8eec6⋯.png (787.94 KB, 512x724, 128:181, ClipboardImage.png)

>>15955137

>she will only be remembered after a slutty fanservice show

This hits hardest. It's a bit of relief knowing her original version and personality is immortalized in the mobile game now.


45145c  No.15960525

>cuckime


49fee6  No.15960866

File: ec0084904549bd1⋯.jpg (220.92 KB, 1280x960, 4:3, ALCG0002.jpg)

>>15953150

Play VI


621652  No.15960881

>>15960866

Don't do that. Forced grinding segments aren't my idea of fun.


49fee6  No.15960933

File: dd5cedccad36cd3⋯.jpg (181.07 KB, 1280x960, 4:3, ALCG0005.jpg)

>>15960881

>VI

>grind


621652  No.15960946

>>15960933

t. someone who never beat the whole game


49fee6  No.15960993

File: 3ff7cd7a5e11663⋯.jpg (224.78 KB, 1280x960, 4:3, ALCG0008.jpg)

>>15960946

You got me there, I'm still mid game.


621652  No.15961047

File: 4e253e050d06069⋯.jpg (14.99 KB, 236x254, 118:127, 4e253e050d060691c63e102207….jpg)

>>15960993

When I said that you didn't finish the whole game, I was half joking. I didn't expect that to actually be the case. Why the fuck would you fucking lie about a fucking game you haven't even fucking finished yet, you fucking fucktard?


49fee6  No.15961099

File: 7eb88ec5f478922⋯.jpg (204.25 KB, 1280x960, 4:3, ALCG0013.jpg)

>>15961047

I didn't need to grind yet so I assumed that the game will stay like that


82df62  No.15963717

>>15955137

This is why I'm glad Tsukihime R and Mahoyo's next parts are stuck in limbo, because it means they won't be desecrated like Fate.

Except for poor Sion.


697e22  No.15964465

>>15938367

Finished Mahiru, Chiho and Rinka's routes.

>Mahiru

Most sex scenes, best sex scenes, still not that good all-in-all. It was a pretty relaxed route compared to the other two.

>Chiho

Her route was actually a bit interesting to read, however they kind of overcomplicated it by the end and the payoff wasn't great. Onii-chan being translated to "dude" for the whole route would've been horrid, but I solved that by speedreading through a lot of it.

>Rinka

I don't know about this one. It wasn't really bad, but they went out of their way to make it dramatic and leave an impact, then the characters started going in circles a few too many times only to end up on square one, but apparently that's where they needed to be for a happy future. I think it was my least favorite route, especially since I went in with slightly raised expectations.

Out of the ones I read, Mahiru's route was the least bad, but they're all really close to each other. I'll see if I can be bothered to go through the last two.


4447a3  No.15966357

Where can I find Monobeno with all sex scenes? Steam version sucks. Its worse when its not translated yet.


c1a2e8  No.15966739

File: 6a7e95a749c7b83⋯.png (1.04 MB, 652x1313, 652:1313, 8adb2b032495bde620e9a65aae….png)

>>15966578

If you liked G-string, Sharin no Kuni by the same guys is a good one.

https://vndb.org/v57


5155aa  No.15967020

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.

>>15949970

>>15949991

>>15951028

>>15951093

>Those osts

>Still not taking my breath away


16affb  No.15967022

>>15966357

Animebytes has it


f6cd89  No.15967063

OP your pushing of outright anime non-games on /v/ is a blatant attempt at converting /v/irgins to your homo/tranny perverted lifestyle. I detest you as a human being and encourage you to jump off a bridge. However, I respect your right to free speech and won't report your thread for being off-topic pedo shit. I might not like a homo using /v/ as a platform to pull his dick to preteen anime girls, but I will die defending your right to do so.


b1203a  No.15967088

File: a8eb48468c2bcca⋯.jpg (53.52 KB, 451x569, 451:569, 1448445754162-4.jpg)

>Visual Novels

>Video Games


b1203a  No.15967101

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>>15938604

Why the fuck is she eating that in particular?


0b1699  No.15967240

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>Start playing Utawarerumono: Mask of Deception.

>Kuon instantly reminds me of Tamaki from Toheart2.

Assuming it's the same writer, he really loves her personality. I'm liking the game so far though. Combat is definitely different from Tiers to Tiara 2 so it's going to take some time to get used to. I'm curious if it's going to be as hard as that game's hard mode as well.

>>15966578

>I personally believe that vns are still far from being a serious art though (other than exceptions I have pointed out). "Getting the girl" cliche has destroyed vns to me because they almost always rely heavily on uninteresting filler and not on actual story.

While I can agree with you in some cases, I actually enjoy that type of content too and I'm glad there's a place for them in VNs. However, I think going for that so much does hold back writers because nothing can really happen in most of these stories or else it will break that comfy SoL vibe.

As for recommendations, I would say YU-NO may fit your needs. I think it's in the VN Starter Kit in the OP.

https://vndb.org/v1377

>>15967101

Because it tastes good.


8e46d3  No.15967280

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>>15966578

Go read Steins Gate.


0b1699  No.15967328

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>>15967308

I'm going off what others are saying so I can't give too many details. Mask of Deception/Truth are tied together while they make references to the first game. It's not required to finish the first to play these 2 but some references will fly over your head if you didn't. Gameplay wise, it's a much bigger upgrade than the first game and the post game maps can be very challenging. The combat system its self is also considered very good compared to other TRPGs like Fire Emblem and Disgaea. It definitely has more depth than Disgaea. Also the music is considerably good.

I would definitely give them a try, however it's stuck on the PS4 and Vita. You can get a used version for the PS4 on Amazon. If you have a modded Vita, it should be easy for you to find. However, I have no clue if anyone modded in the original CG that was censored. If you're curious what it was, it was a loli getting spanked. A very bizarre censor indeed.


83a119  No.15967548

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So I'm tryin' out the first PM. Penny here will my guinea pig to see if I can raise a respectable lady. Unlike Lizzie Shinkicker who you could send off to a farm at age 10, we're not so lucky. The options to what you can do with Penny are limited than what you can do in PM2.

I'm limited to the 5 options at the bottom which are to send her to the king but get rebuffed because she's just a comonor, listen to her reputation around town, change the items she has equipped, talk to her directly and go shopping for items. Schedule is lettng her rest, going on vacation, working at an inn, weapon store, scrivener, church and as a woodcutter. Education is Study, Military, Eloquence and Errantry which is actually sending her out.

I'm not gonna turn this into an LP but I wanna see what the mechanics can do and see how she turns out. Jobs and the like are rolled each day and at this stage she'll probably fail 3/10 days of the month she works.

And at the end of the month, I tell her to push herself even hard. I'm gonna turn her into a bloodthirsty monster, arn't I? Woodcutting it reducing Elegence and Glamour but she's going to be the strongest 10 year old girl you've ever met.


83a119  No.15967590

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>>15967548

>Go into the forest, run into a wolf.

>An 11 year old armed with a knife.

>She fled before she fainted.

Back in my day, slaying that wolf would have made you a man. Back to chopping wood then.

>Can now work at a hospital but confused cold medicine with poison.

Uhhh.

>Harvest festival time. Go into the kung fu competition. Manages to defeat a kung-fu warrior.

She's an 11 year old so she's made of tissue paper but she hits harder than your dad after his 3rd bottle of vodka.

>Defeats a wizard because she has more brawn than him.

>Physical strength over mental strength.

>Penny beats a Gorilla with 150 health because she's been doing woodcutting every week for 4 months.

She's had no formal training and she already in the final round of the tournament. I expect it'll get harder next year but I wasn't expecting her to win so quickly. And she's a war orphan by the way, not some chosen kid like Lizzie was.

She lost though to some night. Not bad though for a first year.


83a119  No.15967701

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>>15967590

Also it's one contest or the other for the festival, martial arts or the pageant. And she's turned rebellious. Great. Good new is that working at the Inn pushes Stamina which is tied to health so a few months there and she'll be good for the next tournament.

She's growing up so fast, she's already 12.

She's now sick and is undoing in a month the stat growths of 3 months.

>The Intelligence it's taken 2 years to build with classes has reset in a month.

Good grief.

>Sick right before harvest tournament.

>Didn't even get past 1st round, lost to viking.

Damn man. This is bad.

>Go through the entire year rebuilding stats.

>Get to harvest fest. Get past 1st round, second has me drop out.

>Sick again after tournament.

You know, I'm almost wishing for PM2 as I feel that's a hell of a lot more balanced. This is brutal.


a45cf1  No.15967758

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>>15967308

They're set like 20 years after the first game. Mostly new cast but some old characters do show up. I'm playing the third game now and it feels a lot like a direct sequel but I can't tell for sure for now. Seems more closely tied to Tuskur and the old guys than the second game did. I do feel like a whole lot of stuff would go over your head if you did not play the first game but the overall plot seems to be fine on its own.


83a119  No.15967785

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>>15967701

I'm tryin to turn Penny into a warrior but I can't send her out adventuring as she doesn't earn any gold from monster kills, just XP while in PM2 that was viable to send a 12 year old adventuring because she had done 2 years of farm work.

Who's ready for more bleeding of stats? It's basically -1 of every stat every day for a month. It's brutal. It's not so bad for stamina now as I have a job that's +3 gain per day of working but strength is still on +1 with woodcutting.

>11 Intelligence.

She's slowly becoming retarded.

And now I'm outta money, so now I gotta send sick Penny to do manual labor. And I'm not actually gaining stats as the rate of failure is up to 8/10 now.

I gotta say, this really does suck. And thing is, high spirit is supposed to protect against sickness but she's been that for 2 months now.

>She's gone from Halloween to Christmas sick. -1 stats every damn day.

Strength was at 120. And now she has 0 int. I saved up a grand to try and get that katana for 3k but blew through my saving resting and training stats to trying to keep them from failing.

There's also no cube, so he can't take care of her if she gets sick. I'm basically wasting time at this point as I'm broke and she can't work.

She's back now but all her stats are basically 0. If she falls ill again, I might quite as waiting 4 bloody months for her to break out of it and all that effort wasted was not fun.

>Falls sick right after I say that.

>Guides recommend save scumming stats.

I can see why. Anyway, I think here's a good end point. I've already seen how this is pretty poorer to 2.

>Stat drains are brutal

>Recommends sav scumming to get the most out of stats.

>No ending where Penny marries hero.

I can see now why 2 is so lauded if 1 is this rough. There's ideas here like the Errantry that were fleshed out into the adventuring, the addition of Cube also gives more personality to the household. So that's the original PM refrain, hope you like savestates.


49e844  No.15967914

>>15967101

They're in an underwater theme park for a week trapped, it's either that or constant fucking sandwiches, also she's a fucking idiot

>>15966578

Didn't see Muv luv there so I can suggest that easily.

>mix of fantasy and scifi in them that have good stories

Yeah, muv luv.

>I personally believe that vns are still far from being a serious art though

It always takes me out of it when I realise what I'm doing, it's weird. I enjoy them a lot and have spent way too much on many but it's like, you're watching a bunch of sprites speak with text beneath it, how do you even enjoy that shit?

T.person who sunk an entire week into a singular visual novel

>>15967020

That was quite nice actually, shame it cut off in the middle of the song though.

also I'm playing rewrite because everyone said it was pure trash, so far it's ok. Apparently some routes are really boring?


f17d5a  No.15969044

>>15967914

>Rewrite

>A game that forces you to unlock all the other "romances" by playing through different characters first

>A game that has the protagonist fall madly in love with one of the characters without even getting to first base first

>A game that has the main protagonist have a "romance" with the characters while not kissing any of the characters the entire game

>Godzilla out of nowhere

>Has no problem taking out godzilla

>Game teases you with akanes ass and ohtoris panties despite having no genuine relationship with them

>The game is tagged with romance with the devs making that quite clear but nothing even remotely romantic happens

>Demonic dogs and ending up in an alternate dimension amounted to nothing but a distraction (we learned absolutely nothing from it). What was the point of that?

>Every woman besides kotori and chihaya (obviously best girl btw) was pretending to like merely to get you on their side while putting on a facade on how they really act.

>We never learn why the main character is haunted

>Game comes up with a grand reveal of all the school characters being the head of huge secretive organizations (this is fucking rediculous btw)

And these are just a few I came up off the top of my head. Don't say I didn't watch you faggot.


f17d5a  No.15969062

>>15969044

>Watch

*warn


c1a2e8  No.15969096

>>15969044

>we never learn why the main character is haunted

Did you not do the Moon and Terra routes?


49e844  No.15969102

>>15969044

My desire to uninstall just increased by about 500%. All I want is some decent story that makes me want to neck my self from sadness not crappy story telling but everything seems pretty half baked.

>chihaya best girl

>not the loli with an eyepatch

Though I have to disagree with unlocking more routes by completing routes to be a bad thing, depending on what it is I assume the moon and terra routes I'd say it's ok but only as long as it's plot dependent and wouldn't make sense or would be confusing without the previous routes.


eda93d  No.15969217

>>15969206

Not sure about the other ones but >>15960248 is 18.


49e844  No.15969229

>>15967590

>princess maker 1 and 2

>positive on steam

>princess maker 3 and 5

>mixed

What the fuck happened? Also this game looks pretty fun, should I go to the second game seeing as that's apparently the better one?

>>15969206

Maid is probably about 16 maybe 17, Sachi from Grisaia.

Second is Illya I think? So either 18 or 12 depending on whether she's an actual human or not.


5483c5  No.15969240

what VN do I get to make love to lolis in?


eda93d  No.15969244

>>15969229

Sitonai is explicitly FSN Illya's body.


49e844  No.15969246

>>15969240

Maitetsu


5483c5  No.15969265

>>15969246

Thank you. I will be gentle and only touch them if we are truly in love.


c03d9b  No.15969274

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>>15969229

Go 2. Mechanics like the adventuring, duel and harvest festivals are all expanded. Stats are more refined, a better artstyle plus a multitude of endings. If PM2 Lizzie gets sick, you pay cube a month to look after her instead of getting drained stats of everything, if I remember. You'll probably only lose a little bit of health.


49e844  No.15969296

>>15969244

Definitely legal then.

>>15969265

It's some good shit, I meant to play it my self a while back but never got around to it, but I did look at all the animations from exhentai and god damn. You'll never look at trains without an erection again.

>>15969274

I'll download 2 but whats wrong with the newer ones? I assume they're just shit in general and out of touch with what made the previous games fun?


c03d9b  No.15969320

>>15969296

Well from my knowledge after 2 they dropped the adventuring aspect to focus more on raising the girl like a princess. I haven't tried them out yet but I will in the next few days to see how they're different to 2.


49e844  No.15969334

>>15969320

I'll do the same I guess, I'll start with 2 then.

I can finally live out my dreams of raising a loli


f17d5a  No.15969372

>>15969102

>Girl with an eye patch

>Literally the same girl that put on the potato act the entire time in an attempt to fool and trick you into liking her


49e844  No.15969603

>>15969372

I was just talking about her looks

>>15969320

is there no way to customize your daughters appearance? I've only just started so maybe you need to play it twice to choose how she looks initially?


c03d9b  No.15969648

>>15969603

She's defaulted as to what she looks like but you can buy different dresses to change her clothes.


b8ae6a  No.15969668

>>15946606

>At the very moment when nagisa - who is purported to become the head of the drama club she wished to create again - revealed that she (the 5 year old) had never even SEEN a single play before, I immediately lost EVERY SINGLE LAST BIT of remaining sympathy I ever had for this excuse of a character.

Maybe because she held a lot of guilt because her father gave up a very promising acting career to raise her? She was born with key-AIDS and his flegling career was abandoned so they could move to a rural area with clean air and start a bakery that neither her father or mother knew how to run at first (and hermother never did learn). So she took an interest in drama, and the drama club at school being the most obvious choice, to live up her father's dreams in part.


49e844  No.15969669

>>15969648

I see, I might need to restart. I went from 500 gold to literally nothing on her first dance lesson. we're barely able to eat

>nearly sent her out without any weapons or armor

She's going to die a horrible death with me that's for sure.


c03d9b  No.15969740

>>15969669

Focus on jobs for a little bit. Farming is good for building strength and stamina. Buy the winter and summer dresses ASAP as they help with conditions when the seasons change. She can get sick if she's not wearing them in the correct season but changing should be automatic.

You can easily change the money with cheatengine if you want.


49e844  No.15969759

>>15969740

I realised that studying early on was a huge mistake, I assume I should have her git gud and be an op fighting loli and get money that way right?

I'll refrain from cheating for now.


c03d9b  No.15969783

>>15969759

That's what I do. Farmwork will reduce Elegence but you can get that back later with classes.


49e844  No.15969800

>>15969783

Anything else I need to worry about before having her go fight a bunch of monsters and shit? the music for this game is surprisingly good


c03d9b  No.15969820

>>15969800

Magic is good for later as you can just bomb monsters that way. Keep an eye on your stamina when taking theology classes and such as that can drain easily. Other than that, decent equipment and she'll be fine.


49e844  No.15969833

>>15969820

I gave her a copper sword and leather armor and she got rekt earlier, maybe she wasn't strong enough. a condor just fucking did 165 damage to her


c03d9b  No.15969841

>>15969833

She is 10. You want to spend a year or two of farm work and classes then she should be strong enough.


a5a550  No.15969845

>>15969668

>All these excuses to justify a generic moe character in a game that spliced everything together sloppely

>So she took an interest in drama, and the drama club at school being the most obvious choice, to live up her father's dreams in part.

I guess it's too bad she did absolutely nothing to make those dreams in to volition now isn't it?

>She was born with key-AIDS

If she really had key-aids (as you describe it), then why was she walking around and going to school then? I smell a plothole my man. And if you want to say she wasn't terminally ill, then it goes to show that she's a worthless piece of trash that key kobbled together trying to surpass the by far superior kanon.


49e844  No.15969850

>>15969841

>She is 10.

That never even occurred to me.

>>15969845

>it's the clannad is shit argument all over again

can we not


920a83  No.15970849

>>15966578

>central plot that does not revolve around "getting the girl" but you can have a relationship along the journey

Thats most of them

>I personally believe that vns are still far from being a serious art

You read like 4 books that were meh so you say that books are still far from being a serious art? What do you mean by "serious art" anyway? Do you need it approved by (((book journalists)))?


908e21  No.15970941

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908e21  No.15971028

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>>15938367

>Bishoujo Mangekyou

that is a damn shame, are they going to translate the other games? I love the art.

>>15938545

>


df995f  No.15971040

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>>15955770

Excellent choice

>>15938367

>When the hearts kick in

>>15954717


908e21  No.15971093

>>15967590

>>15967548

I'm still pissed off because they messed up with the original art for no good reason.


163f70  No.15971165

I'm trying out Collar x Malice to see inside the mind of a fujoshi. It's got good reviews but I'm not impressed so far.

The people have have cat eyes like they're vampires. All except one of the husbandos are creeps, assholes and morons.

The self-insert is stupid and reacts to events instead of being proactive while being treated like a low IQ object rightfully by the creepy idiotic jerkwad vampires.

Living life on easy mode is one of the blandest shit I've ever read. I was jealous otome games made it to the US but not anymore.


0b1699  No.15971205

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>>15971165

But that's what women want. They want to be objectified by men they feel are superior to them while they are the main ones that drive the story. The FemC self-insert is usually a blank slate like the self insert male MC in most dating sims.


d68190  No.15971211

>>15971165

>reacts to events instead of being proactive while being treated like a low IQ object

So what you're saying is this game has realistic portrayals of women


eda93d  No.15971275

>>15971165

Pretty much what >>15971205 said. East or west virtually all media made focused on women's fantasies are like that.


09bde1  No.15971283

>>15971211

But Anita said women don't want that. Could she have lied?


bf8505  No.15972130

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>>15967758

>Remember playing the first game a while ago

>The twins appear

>Realize that said twins are actually boys

>Game hinted at the possibility of allowing romancing them

>The main character said he wouldn't mind sleeping with them

>The twins themselves said they wouldn't mind it either and constantly blushed at the main character

>I never got to see them get it on

>Not even a kiss

This game toyed with my fragile heart.


7d3042  No.15973078

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>>15967308

The second game (mask of truth) particularly it's latter 1/3rd and the grand finale is strongly connected to the first.

>>15967758

>not having the impending terror during the final boss fight knowing the unkillable tank that will inevitably appear from the old crew or being party nuked by the dual magic sisters the final section really requires knowledge of the original characters at least for it's full impact.

>>15972130

The real question is how many times have they raped Oboro while drunk

>>15969044

>>Game teases you with akanes ass and ohtoris panties despite having no genuine relationship with them

The mc is fucking akane in her route (not shown directly albeit) it's even a minor plot point

>Godzilla out of nowhere

>Has no problem taking out godzilla

<actually gets fucked my multiple godzillas

>We never learn why the main character is haunted

so you never even finished it

>Don't say I didn't watch you faggot.

Sounds like a freudian slip for a faggot who only watched the shitshow of an adaptation of read just the common route/wiki since you make blatantly false accusations.


b7f976  No.15974136

>>15963717

>Tsukihime

I honestly never read it, but I keep hearing good things about it.

I really need to get to it one of these days.


c1a2e8  No.15974177

>>15974118

The fuck are you talking about? Akane is a heir, but one of the girls are actual leaders of the factions.


bf8505  No.15974224

>>15942799

>Key does the bare minimum as far as stories

Well, no shit. It's always bleeding heart bullshit with piss poor stories to back them up. The worst part is that the sob stories are almost always cliche and are entirely made up of some kind of external factor that the main character has nothing to do with. I find it far more interesting if the conflict is right in front of you and happens because of personal conflicts than the plot conveniences that key constantly comes up with. I was also under the illusion that sad endings/story was primarily supposed to be influenced by bad choices? Was I mistaken? Also, sad stuff bad was spammed so much by them that it became fucking rediculous at a certain point. These hacks never deserved to get is popular as they are now and never deserved anime adaptions for the absolute shite that they turned out.


7d3042  No.15974238

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>>15974118

>It means absolutely fucking nothing when the game doesn't show even a hint of romance in the entire game key brainlet.

<Akane and mc cuddling up together, telling each other how much they love each other isn't romance.

<understanding her position despite initial misgivings and compromising (i.e. non-physical you faggot who hasn't even read the route) isn't romance

<coming to know the idiosyncrasies of your partner as you hide your relationship in public with sweet private moments isn't romance.

>rambling on about a side comment about a freudian slip

>non-sequitur

>irony

>The heads of the secretive organizations were in control of the organizations they run by playing video games, picking up litter, and fooling around the entire time

Like >>15974177 said, most are just random lackeys, there's hundreds of agents everywhere. Even the fucking common route covered this, either your retarded or haven't even played that.

Also,

>plot points mean absolutely nothing

Are you braindead or just baiting at this point?

>I also found that going to the same exact school (while being complete rivals while even joining a club together) was complete nonsense and outright stupid

Again plot points that are extensively covered in multiple routes, see Chihaya or Shizuru, among the first routes you can do, indeed even the crux of parts of said routes.

>It's clear that they didn't plan the plotline ahead of time and instead just made it up as they went along.

The plot points from common tie into the terra route and moon is self explanatory, all of the routes are full of foreshadowing, but then again you wouldn't know that since you haven't played it would you.


30b743  No.15974241

>>15974118

>brainlet

Opinion discarded.


7d3042  No.15974266

>>15974224

Sage cos double post,

While i'd normally agree with you on key, the reason I like rewrite is because its the exact opposite of your post with a greater focus on story after the introductory segment to be fair but the same can be said of 99% of VN's with the mc, especially in moon and terra being the most vital character by a country mile, heck in most routes he's the one doing everything and moving the plot along, as opposed to most key mc who can only react how much better little busters would be if the mc wasn't a bitch


ac8e8d  No.15974274

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>>15974118

>brainlet

>torpedo


f6cd89  No.15975573

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I played two VNs today for the first time - Symphonic Rain and Dies Irae. What is this trash? I wanted a romance simulator not some slow-ass budget anime. I wanted stats and you choose your own which girl you're in love with and want to pursue, not 'click to reveal dialogue' trash.

How do you defend this? It's literally anime but with words to replace actual animation. I'll admit the apocalyptic intro to Dies Irae was ambitious but it was downhill as soon as pic related showed up and now I'm not even willing to read anymore, it's either boring or embarrassing.

Symphonic Rain is irredeemable garbage I'm not even going to expand on that, if you like it you have awfully low standards.

If I wanted to read a book I'd read an English novel, not some fag's translation of an anime novel or whatever this garbage is.


7d3042  No.15975765

File: 3a9b3ef7a755e84⋯.png (1.45 MB, 1487x999, 1487:999, no hope.png)

>>15967063 (At least change id's or we know it's bait)

>>15975573

Then why didn't you play a VN that has more gameplay instead of what are obviously story focused games? It's not like it's a dichotomy argued to death with prominent examples or anything.


b7f976  No.15975820

File: 449d7c439108d5e⋯.jpg (77.46 KB, 739x739, 1:1, 449d7c439108d5e11808ec899c….jpg)

>>15975573

All you had to do was read the OP and look at the recommended babby's first VNs or ask here in the thread if there was something specific you were into.


87f51a  No.15975892

File: 29c323c87c4ce1b⋯.jpg (59.11 KB, 500x491, 500:491, bully.jpg)

>>15974118


73219c  No.15976093

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.

Anyone else excited for when they cry 5?


bf8505  No.15976398

File: 91300478a9631eb⋯.jpg (17.66 KB, 640x360, 16:9, w8ETLB3_d.jpg)

>play mub lub

>Immediately get hit with political jargen and muh "racism" right off the bat (not even mentioning it was some small event that happened years ago)

>The "soldiers" don't act like professional soldiers at all, instead they act like civilians

>Adds a bunch of stupid "slice of life" moments in a military setting

This is not going well at all so far. I'm considering uninstalling and deleting while I'm only 3 hours in.


eda93d  No.15976410

>>15976398

Don't tell me you skipped Extra and Unlimited. You can't just go straight to Alternative.


c1a2e8  No.15976428

>>15976398

You'll just have to learn to suffer like the rest of us.


f6cd89  No.15977233

I'm looking for is a more interactive romance. Like those old ps1 dating sims where you occasionally have a dialogue choice. I want a choice of girls where I pick one to romance at the end.

>>15975820

>>15975765

>At least change id's

happy?

>why didn't you play…

I had no internet for a few hours so I just played what I had. Must've been two of the Christmas freeleech torrents on AB.


6cb62e  No.15977242

>>15977233

>happy?

oops


7d3042  No.15977333

File: 15ca6c2c0d1b8fb⋯.jpg (2.77 MB, 3600x1920, 15:8, ir8ujnygfbthe4rw09t5764rw0….jpg)

>>15977233

So listen to >>15975820

>Like those old ps1 dating sims

one part of the OP is literally

>Nostalgic Visual Novels on-line: http://tss.asenheim.org/

If you want old school dating sim then To Heart2 is gonna be the most prominent example. Also for future advice, differentiate VN's from dating sims, for all intents and purposes their different things at least in what's usually talked about here.

For most modern equivalents that are purely romance/slice of lice focused with no story it'll be stuff like Evangile, Da Capo1-3,Dearddrops, KiraKira,SakuraSakura. Although as a warning some modern stuff unsurprisingly has shit localisation and are somewhat generic.

Honestly not my area, most vn's i would recommend even with multiple heroines would be story based.

There's also the, albeit gameplay focused, classics like daibanchou and Kamidori.

Just try taking a look at pic related and seeing what has multiple heroines, for the most part they'll fit your bill.


dfc62e  No.15978335

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.

>>15970849

The guy you're talking to certainly is right about his assertion that visual novels not being a serious art yet. I have fully completed 160 titles and have 50 more (just sitting in my hardrive) that I'm planning on completing. I think the fundamental problem with vns being short of the mark of being competitive with real novels is that the writers are taking it head on with the visual novel perspective instead of just writing out a traditional novel and converting it to a vn. Can anyone even tell me a title that even comes close to something like halo the fall of reach? I'm having a problem with that. I think another problem worth mentioning is hiring voice actors and other stuff not worth mentioning. Hiring a voice actor ruins vns because it takes away from the overall experience by shoving a voice of a character down our throats and leaving nothing to our imagination. It also takes capital. If visual novels focused more on paying for better writers and musicians, visual novels would be so much better off. Personally, I think it is embarrassing that most visual novels aren't even close to something like ace academy is as far as writing goes.


0827f8  No.15978449

File: 714c3209109163f⋯.jpg (65.49 KB, 1200x777, 400:259, 714.jpg)

>>15978335

>I've totally finished 160 titles.

>I don't have to name them, what are you, someone who actually enjoys VNs?

>I'll list a Halo product as the pinnacle of good writing.

>All VNs should have good writing, doesn't matter it it's something like Nekopara or a Nukige.

But most importantly.

>I'll just come into a VN thread, pretend I go through VNs, know what good writing is because my opinion is obviously superior and degrade these plebs on their shit taste.

So this is what it's come to has it? You're so desperate to turn people off VNs that you stopped going

>VNs arn't games

and instead tried to slip on a mask of someone who actually enjoys the medium? Can see your gay fawks mask from across the horizon buddy.


dfc62e  No.15978597

>>15978449

Your post is no more than a bunch of strawman.

>I'll post halo as the Pinnacle of good writing

I never said that it was the pinnacle of anything, just that it was a good read and their aren't many that have come close to the fall of reach's writing. Also, this novel came before any of the games did so it's not a product of the game itself.

>I have to post 160 titles I have completed so you can datamine me

Lol no. Also, why would I do that when I considered most of them not as good as traditional novels? The games that I liked were grisaia (nearly the entire series), corona blossom (all three volumes we're good), when they cry, kanon, rewrite, chaos head, koiken otome, maji de watashi, kamidori, moon, higabana (I like how the teacher got culled out of nowhere I was shocked), ignanock (the doctor had problems eating and drinking, adventure of a life time, miniature guardian, etc etc etc.

>>I'll just come into a VN thread, pretend I go through VNs,

I'm not pretending to do anything. I just believe vns could be so much better. Hell, most middle schoolers could read most of the visual novels out there and could easily comprehend them.

>>VNs arn't games

But I am saying they are games you embicile. Adventure games have been around since the 70s (most of which are text based) and all of a sudden gen z faggots swoop in and try to say that they aren't because it's not enough like call of duty or some other garbage.


c2ff23  No.15980297

>>15978335

Are you insane? Can you even read-

>>15978597

>lists only garbage translations

Oh.

>I just believe books could be so much better

You can't read

>most middle schoolers could read most of the books out there and could easily comprehend them

>easily comprehend

>google translated Shakespeare

You have no idea how much you are losing

If there is one thing about VNs that needs to be treated seriously its translation quality. As it stands none of those greedy shits like MangaGamer or Sekai are ever going to hire a real translator.


ebe872  No.15980878

File: 83fb71e4a6d9212⋯.png (119.11 KB, 1344x756, 16:9, 8MOuoXG.png)

>>15980297

>heh dude lets not make visual novels more articulate and a better read for everyone involved

are you serious right now faggot?

>>lists only garbage translations

as far as I remember, none of the games he posted were translated badly.

>>I just believe books could be so much better

he clearly specified visual novels idiot, not just books like you're claiming. stop pretending that isn't the case.

>>google translated Shakespeare

it's pretty clear that he said that the novel he posted wasn't the pinnacle of anything and never implied as such. also:

>you should post one of the best literary genuises and have a 'fair' comparison between vns and normal novels just so visual novel fans can say that's not a fair comparison

imagine my disbelief at this rediculous self-serving "argument".

>As it stands none of those greedy shits like MangaGamer or Sekai are ever going to hire a real translator

but most of the games he posted weren't translated by these two publishers. also, liarsoft is about as good as it gets as far as visual novels writing goes but still is not as good with a real novel in comparison.

>it's nothing but the translators fucking up i swear

why don't you post some vns that are well written and translated well? give me prominent examples that are better than what he posted or get out faggot. the burden of proof would also lie on you to prove yourself right if you were going to make a statement such as:

>all vns are translated badly


ceac32  No.15981126

>>15976410

You can fucking tell he did.


8b6660  No.15981159

File: 302e56932fd1640⋯.jpg (114.5 KB, 1080x793, 1080:793, snap.jpg)

File: e438d8c66965dea⋯.webm (1.33 MB, 552x512, 69:64, tyronelaugh.webm)

>>15978335

>Can anyone even tell me a title that even comes close to something like halo the fall of reach?


e3d506  No.15981529

>>15978335

wow, you aren't even Reddit tier, you're Facebook tier.


11ee04  No.15981535

File: 292739c389098ae⋯.png (60.3 KB, 1049x1219, 1049:1219, furerabafd.png)

File: 9dd92388f6ac61f⋯.png (1.18 MB, 1280x720, 16:9, ani00517.png)

Soon, bros

Also, best 'raba coming through


8e46d3  No.15981548

File: c7a2b3f6b7d76e8⋯.png (1.35 MB, 1366x768, 683:384, localization.png)

>>15981535

>Fureraba


11ee04  No.15981615

File: 69d433081079b8c⋯.jpg (351.9 KB, 1892x1080, 473:270, IMG_20190111_195812.jpg)

>>15981548

Not to defend NN's choices but the game's script is inherently very memey.


b7ee3e  No.15981675

>>15980878

Anon, you misunderstood my entire post.

>as far as I remember, none of the games he posted were translated badly

This is what I meant by

>>easily comprehend

>>google translated Shakespeare

You don't know how bad it is because you can't read it in its original language to compare.

>>you should post one of the best literary genuises and have a 'fair' comparison between vns and normal novels just so visual novel fans can say that's not a fair comparison

See? You think that comparing Shakespeare to the best visual novel writers is "not fair". You don't believe its possible for VN writers to reach that level. You were fed literal shit your entire life so you don't even believe that tasty food exists.

>liarsoft is about as good as it gets as far as visual novels writing goes

Anon, you don't know this

>but still is not as good with a real novel in comparison

You can't read, Anon

>>all vns are translated badly

MGQ has probably the best translation out there, but thats not saying much because it was never well written to begin with. This is how bad the translation industry is for VNs.


ebe872  No.15981693

>>15981159

another nonanswer to his question. the novel at several points clearly describes the events taken place in very high detail, has an expanded vocabulary that goes beyond the most elementary level, and isn't filled to the brim with boring filler the entire time. can you give me examples of visual novels that have a good story and has all these things?


8b6660  No.15981725

File: fb09cbace51d91d⋯.gif (868.53 KB, 200x300, 2:3, animuburger.gif)

>>15981693

>can you give me examples of visual novels that have a good story and has all these things?

Nope. Not a single VN has any of this things at all, every one is complete crap and this genre sucks total ass. You and the other fag can go fuck off back to the halo containment thread now.


b7ee3e  No.15981729

>>15981693

>can you give me examples of visual novels that have a good story and has all these things?

Start with 装甲悪鬼村正


002b40  No.15982109

>>15981729

>>15981675

>we could have writing on the level as shakespeare

>no let's spend money on retards who flush all the money they make down the toilet on shitty voice actors, writers who have no idea what they are doing, musicians that suck ass, and programming a bunch of nonsensical "features" into a game

>all this while forcing people to pay a dollar or more for every single hour of filler they shit out of their ass

90% of all vns are still absolute shit compared to actual novels retard. You could go to a library right now and randomly pull out a book that was reasonably well written and have decent odds of doing so. But with vns that is absolutely not the case. Go to vndb and try it out some time faggot. Even if you could find a decent novel (that had it's moments), it would still most likely be something that has so much filler that it ruins the possibility of you ever wanting to go through the entire game all over again (other than playing for different routes). There is not a single visual novel that is on the on the level of college reading that I am aware of

>L-liar soft is not one of the best devs (at least as far as translated vns) that focus on well written stories because uh, reasons

>Comparing "translating" an English writers work (I understand it's old English but still) into modern English is comparable to translating a Japanese novel into English

Imagine this level of disillusionment. Also, cutting all the unnecessary and dumb shit from a game (while saving money) could easily be rerouted to paying for better translators that are actually worth their salt. I'm not sure what the point of that scapegoat you pulled about translation jobs here as the original points were that vns could be better but simply aren't for reasons the person who brought this up (and me) who have put out the points. I have yet to see a rebuttal of why our reasoning is wrong.

>Soukou Akki Muramasa

Well, I guess it's too bad that there isn't an English iteration of this visual novel now isn't it?


b7ee3e  No.15982315

>>15982109

>>we could have writing on the level as shakespeare

But we do, you just can't read

>writers who have no idea what they are doing

*translators who have no idea what they are doing

>90% of all vns are still absolute shit compared to actual novels

I don't think you know how many books there are

>You could go to a library right now and randomly pull out a book that was reasonably well written and have decent odds of doing so. But with vns that is absolutely not the case. Go to vndb and try it out some time faggot.

You try going to EGS, Anon

>There is not a single visual novel that is on the on the level of college reading that I am aware of

>that I am aware of

Yeah, I can tell

>>Comparing "translating" an English writers work (I understand it's old English but still) into modern English is comparable to translating a Japanese novel into English

Imagine being Japanese and reading Shakespeare with google translate. This is how EOPs look like

>vns could be better but simply aren't

Anon, you can't read

>Well, I guess it's too bad that there isn't an English iteration of this visual novel now isn't it?

I know right?

Consider this:

>your country is importing books from another

>but when they come in, they have to go through a series of changes that are decided by the whims of the border patrol

>the only genre being imported is romance

>book readers in your country are not aware that other genres are even produced in that other country or that the changes are made at all

Do you get it yet?


002b40  No.15982520

>>15982315

>Consider this

That's not at all how anything works. If a government found they didn't like a literary work they'd just ban it. You are pulling at straws this point because translating with censorship put on them is ultimately up to the publisher/developers not the government.

>Asks for visual novels that are at college level

>N-no you just can't fucking read

>Imagine being Japanese and reading Shakespeare with google translate

Hiring translators for a job =/= using translation software.

>I don't think you know how many books there are

No I am fully aware of how many visual novels there are. There are thousands. That doesn't change the fact that of those thousands, it is very rare to find a vn that can compete with actual novels.

>It all comes back down to translation because Durr when someone said something retarded it was actually very intellectual

>Meanwhile Shakespeare is world renowned for his brilliance worldwide despite his work not being translated perfectly across multiple countries and multiple languages


d40ccc  No.15982556

I finished ReWrite, while it definitely struggled in some places, like Chihaya's route trying to be Unlimited Blade Works and MC being kind of lame in Shizuru's, I liked it. Overall it was really solid. Akane was hands down best girl and the romance was definitely there. Terra was the best route.


b7f976  No.15982649

File: 4d8c611064ee5a5⋯.png (1.28 MB, 1500x1948, 375:487, 5596701570fc1b1d8ce045b15b….png)

>>15982520

>comparing exceptional works of literature written by great men throughout history to a contemporary sub-genre of video games made purely for entertainment and descended from medieval erotica written by bored court women

If you don't see a problem with this, then I cannot help you.

I don't think anyone can.

If you want to draw any kind of legitimate comparison without looking like a complete dumbass, you should look to the prose written in the last 30 years.

You know. Things like Twilight, Fifty Shades of Gray and Harry Potter. Books written solely for entertainment.

But I think you're just baiting.


002b40  No.15982666

>>15982649

>>you should post one of the best literary genuises and have a 'fair' comparison between vns and normal novels just so visual novel fans can say that's not a fair comparison


eda93d  No.15982681

>>15982649

>implying that said great works of literature were made for any other reason than entertainment

Quality has nothing to do with that either way.

>You know. Things like Twilight, Fifty Shades of Gray and Harry Potter. Books written solely for entertainment.

Those were all written to jew people out of money. Not for entertainment.


b7f976  No.15983345

>>15982921

>90% of all vns are still absolute shit compared to actual novels

>No I am fully aware of how many visual novels there are. There are thousands. That doesn't change the fact that of those thousands, it is very rare to find a vn that can compete with actual novels.

That is the main part that caught my attention and I wanted to address.


e33408  No.15983442

>>15983345

He's not wrong technically speaking but at the same time a lot of actual novels brought out recently have also been pure trash. It's a pretty dumb point to make. It's like saying every single video game in existence is trash because the majority of them are shit like cod or battlefield.


eda93d  No.15983453

>>15983442

The majority of any media is trash. It's not anything exclusive.


7f7adb  No.15985565

>>15982520

>That's not at all how anything works. If a government

Anon, you are retarded. The border is the language barrier and border patrol are the shitty translators, how could you took this metaphor literally?

>>Asks for visual novels that are at college level

>>15981729

>Hiring translators for a job =/= using translation software.

I'm telling you, those people are not paid enough to put any more work than a machine can

>No I am fully aware of how many visual novels there are. There are thousands. That doesn't change the fact that of those thousands, it is very rare to find a vn that can compete with actual novels.

>it is very rare to find a vn that can compete with actual novels.

>very rare to find

Anon, you have to start looking first

http://erogamescape.org


2035ba  No.15986578

>>15980878

>as far as I remember, none of the games he posted were translated badly.

Anything translated by Ixrec is translated badly. In his list that includes Inganock, Rewrite and Moon. Majikoi was a Takajun translation and Taka isn't even a native English speaker. I wouldn't personally consider Aroduc (Kamidori) to be a good translator but it doesn't really matter I guess because no one plays Eushully games for their writing. I don't know if When They Cry is Higurashi or Umineko or both here, but Higurashi's orginal translation was pretty famous for being bad (a lot of Mangagamer's early translations were really bad). I don't know about the rest, except that Koiken Otome is shit period, regardless of how good its translation is. Of course all of this is irrelevant if your idea of a bad translation requires something to be borderline incomprehensible first.

>>15982109

>Also, cutting all the unnecessary and dumb shit from a game (while saving money) could easily be rerouted to paying for better translators that are actually worth their salt

Dude what. The Japanese companies usually aren't paying for translations. Even if they are it's not going to matter because most of the western market doesn't care about the quality of a translation, so that extra money is certainly not going to end up there.


9db58b  No.15986702

File: 9cf3ef88162a9eb⋯.jpg (73.24 KB, 256x366, 128:183, 31346.jpg)

>everyone wasting time and money translating yaoi shit

>and edgy shit

>and pure love shit

>nobody translating this masterpiece

Fuck everyone getting paid to translate VNs. I hope they all die of brain cancer.


a5a550  No.15986807

>>15977333

Wait wait.

>Symphonic rain has has 5 star writing, 5 star scenario, and 5 star music when that clearly that isn't the case.

The writing was pretty bad and the scenario was just cliche school club teir garbage and the music was pretty shitty considering that the vn is about it. The music was just stereotypical vn music that was barely mediocre. Even if you were to say it was better than average, you'd be taking it to an extreme degree to say it was better than most.

>Sekien no ignanok having shit errotic content and shitty visuals

Are you fucking serious right now faggot? The errotic content is better in this game than pretty much everything else on your list and has a greater amount of detail to them than pretty much your entire recommendations. The visuals (non errotic) were also very good as well.

>Swan song has great writing

It was about the most boring fucking vn I've ever read in my entire life. I don't know how they could possibly manage to produce a game in an apocalypse yet manage to bore me to death with it. If someone died or was in trouble, I didn't give a fuck because the characters were poorly developed anyway.

>The rating "system"

I fail to see how rating france shoujo can have so many stars yet receive a B. I also fail to see how visual novels such as kana, natsu, and sengoku rance can be rated higher than something with more stars. The rating system is totally fucked and at the whims of whoever made this garbage.

>The scenario not being apart of the writing

How in the world could you possibly say that the scenario is not intrinsically apart of writing? This make no fucking sense to me. All in all, there is no real criteria to rate the vns from whatever this is.


645ce0  No.15987074

>>15986702

At least it got some japanese pornographic cartoons episodes

I want more vanilla vn's


620460  No.15987113

File: c15554dde53125f⋯.png (210.47 KB, 390x290, 39:29, ClipboardImage.png)

>>15986702

>Pure love shit

But anon, that game is pure love.


9db58b  No.15987130

>>15987113

Yeah, but the proper pure love story, ending with a harem of impregnated waifus. Don't besmirch this masterpiece with all those filthy no harem route turds.


2035ba  No.15987140

>>15986807

I'd say writing there is supposed to be "prose" or "wordcraft" or whatever you want to call the composition of the text itself. If you ignore the weird rating system it's still a fairly decent list of titles, personal tastes aside. The chart is pretty old though. I don't think anything on there is from later than 2007 or so.


b7f976  No.15987168

File: 2b1009f8a070360⋯.jpg (Spoiler Image, 64.94 KB, 764x463, 764:463, 1.JPG)

File: a03e25f2d5d5682⋯.jpg (Spoiler Image, 71.5 KB, 770x458, 385:229, 2.JPG)

>>15986702

I just remembered I had it downloaded ages ago.

>teases you with the best girl on the installation screen

>you probably don't get to fuck her

How will the others ever make up for this loss?


80cd81  No.15987184

File: fdacb05b752e65e⋯.jpg (130.27 KB, 900x799, 900:799, miku_is_really_retarded_by….jpg)

>>15977333

"Depressing" isn't a real literary genre. Neither are "death" or "translated".

>>15981126

If anything, his own fuck up saved himself a lot of time. The writer for that series isn't very good.

>>15985565

>I'll make up bullshit to try to save myself from a really shitty argument

>Meanwhile he specically talked about imports, entire countries, and changing dialogue around because they didn't like it

>Anon, you have to start looking first

Yeah, yeah. I'm not replying to you anymore because you have made it quite clear that you are a troll not interested in any honest debate.

>>15986578

>Ixrec not being a good translator

Wtf are you talking about stupid nigger? His translations were all pretty good. Especially the lead translator of that team excells at translating pieces of work very well.

>Taka isn't even a native English speaker

What the fuck does being a native speaker have to do with them being accurate or not??? How do you think governments hire accurate translators in negotiations? Do they hire people from the enemy country? Also, native translators could easily be weak if they aren't very fluant in the language they are translating. Making your point is weak as shit.

>Higurashi's orginal translation

>Higurashi's old translation was bad therefore the updated one doesn't fucking count as being an accurate translation

I should not have to explain why this line of "reasoning" is full of shit.

>Dude what. The Japanese companies usually aren't paying for translations

<Most vns aren't officially translated therefore the ones that are officially translated, aren't typically being paid for doing it

>most of the western market doesn't care about the quality of a translation

That is total fucking bullshit. Most people willing to buy and read a vn (especially officially translated ones) mostly are interested in if the translations of said vns are accurate or not. That is no more than common sense and the fact you are trying to allude to the idea that is not the case, probably means that you are also not willing to have an honest debate.


d830ee  No.15987292

>>15987168

Unless I missed it when glancing through the CG, you're right, you don't. Since I'm on the subject, I don't fucking understand why people want that VN in the first place. The girls look fat in general, with hideously shaped, sagging breasts and huge areola/nipples. They just aren't attractive. It's the typical fat faggotry "thicc" bullshit that only nigs find attractive. It's a shame because a game about loving the elves instead of rapeshit sounds great on paper, but this one ruins it all by having nothing but girls that are clearly fat and sagging, meaning no one without the brain of a nog could enjoy it.

>but wait there's a loli right? that's fine too

>lolno she turns into a fat, sagging hag with a melting face too

Why does this shit even keep happening? If someone went for the loli in a game like this it's because they wanted a fucking loli. If they wanted sagging tits they would go for one of the girls with huge, sagging tits. This shit keeps happening, so I just cannot understand why these idiots don't get it. Tamamo from MGQ is another example here that everyone knows. If you get her ending she turn into an adult with no loli in sight. Why? No one would go for her if they don't want a loli. Likewise, if I go for a titty monster I wouldn't want her route to be about her getting a breast reduction. Don't do bait and switch in a porn game.


2035ba  No.15987301

File: d2be25407ce2734⋯.jpg (118.2 KB, 958x203, 958:203, 2016-09-26_14-49-35.jpg)

>>15987184

>Wtf are you talking about stupid nigger? His translations were all pretty good.

Do you think this because you've read the original text and compared it to his translations, or because he was fast? Ixrec had no business translating anything. Even more when you consider the works he had a tendency to pick like Liar-soft or Romeo titles.

>What the fuck does being a native speaker have to do with them being accurate or not???

It has a lot to do with his ability to accurately convey things in English. I seriously hope the government is hiring people more competent than Takajun to translate negotiations.

>Most people willing to buy and read a vn (especially officially translated ones) mostly are interested in if the translations of said vns are accurate or not.

They are absolutely not. If they were Sekai would not exist after they put out so many trash translations. Moenovel would not still be translating after they produced what was effectively a rewrite of If My Heart Had Wings. I wonder how much that rewrite sold on steam. Have you ever looked at the English speaking visual novel community outside of this thread?


bcd286  No.15987310

File: 531a4d7219e7554⋯.png (Spoiler Image, 829.75 KB, 634x1000, 317:500, ClipboardImage.png)

File: bff136326e81826⋯.png (Spoiler Image, 1.71 MB, 1000x1485, 200:297, ClipboardImage.png)

File: 7d0acf62d282a8c⋯.png (Spoiler Image, 731.77 KB, 850x1133, 850:1133, ClipboardImage.png)

>>15987184

>"Depressing" isn't a real literary genre

Since when were VN's literature anyway? vndb.org/g693

>The writer for that series isn't very good.

You're not trying to say Muv Luv is shit are you?

>>15987168

>>you probably don't get to fuck her

I assume you do get to fuck her given she has a cg right there but there's definitely a bullet seeking a skull if you can't.

>>15987292

I like big ass tiddies but I agree that the whole thicc meme is pretty bullshit, it's so fucking ugly you have to question who the fuck finds that attractive. pics related, two are fine one is not. It's not a fair comparison but I can't find a suitable image, you get the idea


620460  No.15987319

File: 3c4437c3917a8d3⋯.png (Spoiler Image, 2.49 MB, 1280x1888, 40:59, ClipboardImage.png)

>>15987292

>The girls look fat in general

I'm ashamed to admit this, but recently I started reading HeroHero Tom and I must admit he makes fucking elephants hot.


80cd81  No.15987372

>>15987301

>He made a couple mistakes hundreds of lines of text away from each other therefore his translations are bad

>It has a lot to do with his ability to accurately convey things in English

>I'll ignore everything my opponent says and repeat what I've already said like a braindead drone.

Also, sekia and moenovel are not that bad as you claim they are. People like to be overly dramatic when about translation jobs because its not 100% accurate to what it originally said.


0855de  No.15987400

File: 4cf511aaf673eba⋯.jpg (28.62 KB, 400x460, 20:23, 4cf511aaf673eba21ec08eefd3….jpg)

>>15987372

>sekia and moenovel are not that bad


bcd286  No.15987442

>>15987319

That's disgusting anon, repent.


5ffa94  No.15987471

>there are visual as good as fucking shakespeare

>w-what are you talking about anon? of course visual novels are just as good as actual novels

>what? i have to name some?! what are you crazy?!!!

>the writers are so weak that the devs have to hire voice actors, directors, and musians just to try to convey a scene while not being dogshit

>I-it's always muh translations t-that must be it

>he's so autistic that he thinks that pissweak written LNs with visuals strapped to them makes his genre any good

>he actually fucking thinks that having hour after hour of filler is high art

Holy shit, I am laughing my fucking ass off at you faggots right now.


2035ba  No.15987490

File: 6d8670e3ac384a9⋯.png (126.41 KB, 1009x1732, 1009:1732, 1530407650322.png)

>>15987372

>a couple mistakes

He didn't know the word for living room. How many mistakes does he need to make? Again, have you ever read any of the original works that Ixrec translated, or are you just assuming he was any good because what he put out wasn't complete gibberish? I can post more from my Ixrec collection if you want.

>sekia and moenovel are not that bad as you claim they are

You're really just proving my point about most English consumers not caring about quality.


0855de  No.15987552

File: b9ff7a8cb96b6e5⋯.jpg (98.23 KB, 811x780, 811:780, b9ff7a8cb96b6e546433d39026….jpg)

>>15987471

>all film is dogshit

>VN is a genre

>>15954280

>clannad is niche


5ffa94  No.15987646

>>15987552

>Clannad is niche

It is absolutely niche. It's a game entirely devoted to nikage. Which is about as niche as it gets. Just because it's become popular over time doesn't mean that it isn't niche.

>All film is dogshit

All film compared to actual novels are that is for sure. Personally, I like vns because they're more descriptive than anime and are better written than them (usually). I like visual novels because it is a good median between novels and anime because you have better visuals than novels and have better writing than anime. Especially for romance games because I want to feel something for what I'm going to masturbate to instead of watching some shitty film or simply looking at pictures. But, if you're going to say that vns and books are on a level playing field (as far as writing goes), you are going to get laughed at.

>VNs aren't a genre

It's a subgenre of adventure games.


0b1699  No.15988404

File: 52d323c70a2307b⋯.png (1.24 MB, 800x1197, 800:1197, 52d323c70a2307b7fc3a39ff12….png)

>>15987646

Clannad has been one of the most well known VNs for ages now. It's right up there with Fate/Stay Night. This isn't even counting how popular the anime was. It's something well known to most people who watch anime and didn't simply start a few years ago.

>But, if you're going to say that vns and books are on a level playing field (as far as writing goes), you are going to get laughed at.

I don't think they need to be as you can make up some of those cons with quality sound and visuals. I don't think enough VNs really take advantage of good sound effects to add to the environment or situation. It's like how Higurashi was know as something like a Sound Novel. It relied more on sound and text to create the situation. Still, some VNs could definitely be written better but I don't expect them to have the most skilled writers.

>VNs aren't a genre

>It's a subgenre of adventure games.

Many VNs don't even contain gameplay and some can be dating sims (Love+), TRPGs (Kamidori Alchemy Meister), Grand Strategy (Sengoku Rance), and more. VNs are more like a combination of computer games and novels. For this reason, they can fit into many video game genres and none. It's just another Japanese story telling medium like LNs, drama CDs, manga, and anime. You even mentioned this but somehow came to that definition.


5ffa94  No.15989406

>>15988404

>Clannad is popular therefore it isn't a niche game

I'll say this again. It still is a niche game because all of the characters are based on the nakige. Every single route in this game is based off of this concept. This game, although it is popular, is niche because it is completely specialized for a very specific audience.

>Still, some VNs could definitely be written better but I don't expect them to have the most skilled writers.

>Many VNs don't even contain gameplay

What exactly do you mean by "gameplay" anyway? Does it have to have action in it? Does it have to be an RPG? What about strategy? If a visual novel has dialogue options and those dialogue options shape the story surrounding the game, then it absolutely is a game. Even if those options have very little effect on the overall story, it's still a game. So, you're going to side with a bunch of numales just because they have never played text based games before and don't recognize it as a game? There are also video games where you have to do things in a very specific way such as puzzle games (which are typically point and clickers). There are also missions in games where you have to obtain specific objectives in games otherwise you'll fail. If someone wanted to criticize visual novels for their linearity, you'd also have to delve into several other genres and endjng up attacking several others as well. Also, defining a video game is very tricky. The wiki on video games describes video games as an electronic game that involves interaction between a person and a user interface that gives a feedback. Defining what exactly a video game is, is very ambiguous.

>dating sims

A dating sim is absolutely a game as it typically relies on what I described above. Also, last time I checked simulation games are actual games. Of course, there are visual novels that are static that don't have any dialogue options. But, I don't see why that should ruin people's fun in sharing them here as it doesn't take away from the overall thread.


0b1699  No.15990026

File: 5f3c32c2f605561⋯.png (1.48 MB, 1100x1500, 11:15, 72117732_p0.png)

>>15989406

>What exactly do you mean by "gameplay" anyway?

>there are visual novels that are static that don't have any dialogue options.

Those are called Kinetic Novels. It's a subgenre of VNs that have no choices and is simply a linear story. While these are VNs, they have no gameplay what so ever. No fail state, simulation or actual game. It's simply a digital book where saving and loading might as well be using a bookmark. Grisaia Phantom Trigger and Narcissu are good examples of this.

>I don't see why that should ruin people's fun in sharing them here as it doesn't take away from the overall thread.

We've talked about Narcissu and Grisaea Phantom Trigger in these threads before with no problems. No one here shies away from Kinetic Novel discussion.


620460  No.15991293

>>15987442

It all started with Methonium, and they say the slippery slope isn't real.


cbf333  No.15991324

File: 6670cef9f52ecb6⋯.gif (1022.5 KB, 500x265, 100:53, 6670cef9f52ecb647142d75e5e….gif)

>>15987319

>herohero tom


5ffa94  No.15991557

>>15990026

>It's a subgenre of VNs that have no choices and is simply a linear story

So does nearly every single video game out there.

>You have to go to point A to point B so you can progress with the story with absolutely no interaction with the story; in other words complete linearity. They are practically just interactive movies.

>A video game has to have a fail state in order to be a video game

What about games like Xe-A-Thoul, word tower, Opus Magnum, tidal, even the ocean 2, most puzzle games, etc etc etc. Simply stating that it has no fail state is far too subjective a criteria and often goes against the reasoning.

>they have no gameplay what so ever

Pointing, clicking, and receiving a feedback is still a game. You also have a highly interactive user interface of how quickly messages read out on a screen, have an option of toggling Japanese language, and can often tweak other settings as well.

>where saving and loading might as well be using a bookmark.

That's the same exact formula puzzle games often have. So, using a save slot is a 'bookmark' for a puzzle game?


988700  No.15991570

File: e906bebf2f6ae85⋯.jpg (128.71 KB, 480x640, 3:4, 425104707_6de7dda215_z.jpg)

>>15991557

>>15989406

What exactly is a game? How exactly do you ponder these philosophical questions?


e3d2e0  No.15991615

File: 6a5282916c1bbed⋯.jpg (168.19 KB, 1033x679, 1033:679, 1455837956210.jpg)

>>15987319

>herohero tom


cfbaca  No.15991628

>>15942456

I don't think you're wrong, but it really seems like you haven't watched much anime or read many VNs. Also your point about Tomoya not having motivations explained was explained in the VN. Its also worth pointing out that its kind of random how you fall in love, rather than there being a deep close reason; not that thats really a justification for empty characters. Either way the best parts of Clannad would be the Dad arc in the show, and the BGM honestly. The biggest asspull from Clannad was the ending that the show had as it doesn't translate well from the VN.


3dcc4b  No.15991990

>>15986702

>titty monster vn

whats so great about it?


645ce0  No.15992606

>>15987646

>are on a level playing field (as far as writing goes)

they are not on the same level, VNs are way better.


ffc189  No.15996826

>>15991570

Something you interact with to pass the time, it's not a question you need to ponder over.


30b743  No.15996855

>>15996826

>Something you interact with to pass the time

Does that mean my dick is a game?


8e46d3  No.15996904

>>15996846

The more lines you put on a womans face, the older she looks.

Look at modern western artists that draw in a non-cartoony style. All the women look like they are in their 50s.


b7f976  No.15996962

File: c07ae338fc65172⋯.png (Spoiler Image, 1.37 MB, 1128x2483, 1128:2483, hot elfu.png)

>>15987310

>I assume you do get to fuck her given she has a cg right there

Nope, the game lets you inspect all of the heroines in the main menu and she's not there.

>>15987292

>>15991990

I think people just want the harem route and elves in general.

There are a lot of VNs with an elven heroine out there, but most of them are either untranslated or the elf is a minor character.

>bait and switch

I hate when this happens so much.


31d338  No.15996973

>>15996855

Playing with it can be a game, yes.


45a46f  No.15997530

File: 59e2bfd0baace95⋯.gif (490.01 KB, 500x270, 50:27, Pvt.gif)

I just finished Higurashi's Tsumihoroboshi and, holy shit.

The VN pill is something else.


6ea4dc  No.15997793

>>15997530

Story ain't over yet.


23ce47  No.15997929

File: aa5b705e04e9938⋯.jpg (771.1 KB, 2048x1152, 16:9, monobeno steam.jpg)

>>15927623

Translation when?


645ce0  No.15997991

>>15991990

I think because its a fantasy setting with elves that is 100% vanilla.


f16718  No.15999190

>Chaos;Child on PC Jan 22.


c978c6  No.16000982

File: 644bcb986a21f18⋯.png (Spoiler Image, 206.59 KB, 701x530, 701:530, 6548948964513.png)

Any 100% Pure Vanilla games out there? I already played Demon world cave lulu farea and right now im downloading Kamidori Alchemy Meister


621652  No.16001011

>>16000982

Kamidori isn't vanilla. You have premarital sex a lot and also you own a harem. You do end up marrying one of 3 girls, though.


c978c6  No.16001067

>>16001011

>You have premarital sex a lot and also you own a harem

absolutely nothing wrong with that.


61d6d6  No.16001080

>>16001067

perhaps, but can you really call that vanilla?


6578e3  No.16001122

>>16001080

In terms of porn and real life, yes.


627eef  No.16001131


c978c6  No.16001141


61d6d6  No.16001216

>>16001122

>>16001131

>>16001141

then it has been democratically settled. Anon 621652 is full of shit


620460  No.16002054

>>16001011

>>16001080

So, the thing is, is Kamidori like Evenicle? where it says it's vanilla but still have shit like orc rape pushed into it and one of the endings of Rance X?


0ddad3  No.16002070

File: bf2af3ccd4d6cb5⋯.png (18.95 KB, 925x139, 925:139, evenicle.png)

>>16002054

>where it says it's vanilla

I really doubt any official advertisements for Evenicle claimed it didn't have these things, and I don't know why you'd expect anything different from Alicesoft.


620460  No.16002105

>>16002070

>If they don't specifically say there won't be rape in a vanilla game then it's fair

The point was that the game was advertised as vanilla because muh senran kagura artist and ended with shit like that.

But you're right, fuck Alicesoft.


6a9c5b  No.16002181

>>16002070

>no loli heroine

No deal.


0d70c3  No.16005615

Kindred Full Chorus if anyone is interested.

>>>/u/52978


0d70c3  No.16005621

>>16005615

Redirects don't work with spoilers. Good to know.

>>>/u/52978


cbc051  No.16005935

File: b8a696e812573c4⋯.png (180.71 KB, 278x426, 139:213, its_almost_sad.png)

>>16002070

>Implying there's anything wrong with any of that


620460  No.16005960

>>16005935

>Unavoidable rape

>Side character raped by others

>Group sex of one female and several males

>Group sex of several males and females

>Heroine raped by others

>Not wrong

Kys.


b1dd63  No.16005973

File: 3330f806373a860⋯.png (165.49 KB, 462x664, 231:332, Gurigura-ero-outfit.png)

>>16002181

That's wrong though, isn't it?


cbc051  No.16005984

File: 75693d28a2476d5⋯.png (1.12 MB, 1080x1001, 1080:1001, 1493708095126.png)

>>16005960

>Rape is wrong

Nice try but I'm not a feminist.

>Group sex is wrong

*Is wrong if there is gay men mixed into it.

>>16005973

Yes.


eda93d  No.16005990

>>16005984

Sharing your girl with other men is extremely gay. Group sex is fine if it's you are several other girls though.


620460  No.16006012

>>16005984

>You have to be a feminists to feel disgusted by rape

>Specially if it's done by several other men than you

>Wanting to be naked i the same room with other men

Dunno, anon, you sound pretty gay.

>>16005990

This.


af5fb7  No.16006122

File: 41de18b4bad9168⋯.gif (1.43 MB, 663x603, 221:201, lucina_eating.gif)

>>16006012

>>16005990

>By your own standards, yuri somehow isn't homosexual

>It's gay because other men have screwed a woman

Is tantamount to:

>It's gay because you aren't fucking them, the main character isn't you therefore it's gay


620460  No.16006136

File: bd79b0d88042eed⋯.png (Spoiler Image, 1.87 MB, 1645x1373, 1645:1373, ClipboardImage.png)

>>16006122

>By your own standards, yuri somehow isn't homosexual

Yes, because, you know, I'm not a woman.

>It's gay because other men have screwed a woman

Yes, because that man isn't me and I'd enjoy watching them having sex.

>It's gay because you aren't fucking them, the main character isn't you therefore it's gay

Bullseye. If you don't self-insert, it's gay. That's why cuckqueaning is a top-tier patrician fetish.


af5fb7  No.16006152

File: 9d8bb7532402b8e⋯.png (296.86 KB, 518x656, 259:328, smug_and_popsicle.png)

>>16006136

>Homosexuality (being gay) doesn't mean having a relationship with the same sex

>If you don't self-insert, it's gay.

>By my own standards it's not gay because my imagination

Well, my imagination says that the other men aren't there in gang rape scenes therefore by your standards it isn't gay. What do you you have to say to that?


620460  No.16006196

File: 3a4b0a19e3033c9⋯.png (196.62 KB, 554x439, 554:439, ClipboardImage.png)

>>16006152

Yuri would be gay if I were a woman, anon, but I'm not. This is a fact. Same with watching other people fuck like a cuck or being naked with a bunch of dude like a fag.


eda93d  No.16006219

>>16006152

Only men can be gay.


af5fb7  No.16006226

File: 81ae81bbd26e806⋯.jpg (41.24 KB, 486x498, 81:83, 25e3f1f17c2ee5df342982c58d….jpg)

>>16006196

But I'm telling you that I never even watched other men screw those women in those rape scenes (because they weren't there) and also self inserted into my protagonist. How is any of that gay?


af5fb7  No.16006235

>>16006219

>He doesn't know the definition of gay


eda93d  No.16006239

>>16006235

Women don't have enough sentience to have a sexuality. They will fuck anything.


63adf5  No.16006297

File: 3c4ad2db4635638⋯.png (Spoiler Image, 1.74 MB, 1280x720, 16:9, ClipboardImage.png)

File: abeb3d2154bdcdf⋯.png (Spoiler Image, 1.4 MB, 1280x720, 16:9, ClipboardImage.png)

File: 2db9f89e5722b99⋯.png (Spoiler Image, 1.39 MB, 1280x720, 16:9, ClipboardImage.png)

File: e3a641538dacbcf⋯.png (Spoiler Image, 1.3 MB, 1280x720, 16:9, ClipboardImage.png)

File: 5b8bfbb194ac798⋯.png (Spoiler Image, 1.3 MB, 1280x720, 16:9, ClipboardImage.png)

>>16006226

>If I cover my eyes it doesn't happen

I'm really really sorry, anon, but it doesn't work like that.

>>16006239

This. This is why harems are the correct structure of human society. You keep them busy fucking each other, not fucking other men.


af5fb7  No.16006349

>>16006297

All I'm seeing is black screens for every one of those pictures. What was the point of posting these?

>but it doesn't work like that.

It actually does work like that because my imagination


63adf5  No.16006371

>>16006349

>Muh imagination

You can use your imagination for anything you want, and you choose to be a fag, anon.


30b743  No.16006397

>>16006297

>Side character you have no relation to gets raped

>This makes it a cuck game

I don't know why people have such a crusade against Evenicle and Evenicle in particular. Is it because they were expecting pure vanilla?


eda93d  No.16006419

>>16006397

#4 and #5 are your wives. The game is mostly vanilla but that parts that are not are really not.

>Is it because they were expecting pure vanilla?

Most likely.


eb9195  No.16006460

>>16006397

>>Side character you have no relation to gets raped

anon wake up you are being tricked into defending cuckoldry by that logic watching cuck porn is also ok because its a woman from another guy


63adf5  No.16006467

File: d7a68707980374a⋯.png (50.4 KB, 242x258, 121:129, d7a68707980374ac0922f99b83….png)

>>16006397

You either make a full vanilla game or don't make shit. Evenicle was advertised as vanilla, and you get this. But that's AliceCuck for you.


414366  No.16007273

File: 0cc0a450907c8d3⋯.jpg (99.51 KB, 759x847, 69:77, 0cc0a450907c8d3a5f884339ac….jpg)

>>16006477

Are yo/u/ mad.


1f1545  No.16007887

>>16002054

>So, the thing is, is Kamidori like Evenicle?

Kamidori is 100% vanillafag approve. I think Alicesoft doesnt do vanilla at all.


63adf5  No.16010268

>>16006477

>Torpedo is mad because people doesn't like his cuckporn

Rance is overrated. He is the Deadpool of porn games.


3a03f8  No.16011228

File: 5f0b8f34a5b0996⋯.png (422.89 KB, 600x600, 1:1, 5f0b8f34a5b09967343fc1e366….png)

>>16006297

>>16010268

>>16006371

>>16006196

>>16006136

>>16006012

>In other words I have no real argument so faithfully accept that I am right with no credibility to any of my claims


24eb30  No.16011922

>>16005984

>Trying to fit in this hard

It's autistic to think "rape is bad = feminist" anon.

>>16006297

That fucking first image, jesus. Really got to question the mental sanity of those who enjoy and fap to that shit.


7a644d  No.16012021

File: e71b74b8dd331b0⋯.jpg (447.75 KB, 1920x1080, 16:9, cucked game.jpg)

Reminder that if you play Kamidori Alchemy Meister you are a cuck.


3a03f8  No.16012035

File: 026028c9d8ae7ab⋯.gif (454.31 KB, 500x281, 500:281, 026028c9d8ae7ab0761dc4385b….gif)

>>16011922

If anything it's retarded to think fictional rape is bad. Question. When did this place become Reddit?


3a03f8  No.16012063

>>16006467

If anything, they advertised it as vanilla just so they can hear your tumblr ass cry like a bitch about the game.


a5a550  No.16012198

I personally have no comment on whether or not evenicle is shit but I will say right here: if you actually enjoy pure vanilla h-scenes you have no taste and are likely a normalfag who enjoys garbage like nekopara or some other trash not worth mentioning.

>>16007273

What is he supposed to be mad about? Yuri is probably the most overrated genre there is. It almost always tries to look artistic and thoughtful (or whatever) but usually fails at these two things and makes a huge mess of itself. The scenarios are almost always tasteless and boring and the art usually sucks total ass as well. That's not even mentioning how big of double thinkers yuri fans are. They often say that Yuri isn't cucked and that watching straight pornography is totally gay (what a load of shit). Yuri is probably the most cucked genre there is. Not only have you no possibility of getting involved with the women in a relationship (totally cucked), It is an entire genre of women taking other women and making them their own. Yurifags are such cucks that they'd allow women to have relationships with other women thereby taking the possibility of them being with a man. This is total double wammy that should easily explain why this genre is so cucked. That's not even mentioning that Yuri cucks choose to enjoy watching others fuck while not getting involved in any way. Genre wise, they are the tampons of people who enjoy reading vns and it shows. I wouldn't even be surprised if homosexual men enjoyed this genre considering the fact that their own lifestyle culminated from choices that lead to their own shitty sexuality. I really wouldn't be surprised of the overlap here.


63adf5  No.16012287

File: 022da66b0182176⋯.mp4 (406.96 KB, 640x480, 4:3, 022da66b01821766b16fb526ae….mp4)

>>16012063

>>16012035

>If you don't like disgusting shit you must be tumblr/reddit

Being an edgy faggot for the fuck of it only means you just want to fit in.

>>16012198

>If you like Vanilla you're a normalfag

It's quite the contrary. (((Porn sites))) numbed normalfags so they can only masturbate with fucked up shit. You have to be a true patrician to find the taste in vanilla. If you like fucked up shit or need it to masturbate, (((you))) are the normalfag.


a5a550  No.16012380

>>16012287

Not true at all. There may have been a few normalfags who have done this, but that doesn't change the fact that the massive majority of people who enjoy watching fucked up porn we're probably already fucked up to begin with and not normalfags.

>Everything that isn't vanilla is fucked up shit

Technically, a foot fetish isn't vanilla. That's also speaking for several different sexual positions. I mean god forbid you having something different in an h-game going from title to title instead of the same shit constantly.

>Heh nah dude let's attack some trivial shit someone else said and not the meat of the matter

Yurifags are absolutely pathetic.


ec0058  No.16012482

>>16012287

I'm sorry, but the other anon is absolutely correct. Monster hentai is considered non vanilla and so is stuff like deepthoating (it never happens in vanilla games). Being pure vanilla pretty much means gutting your imagination and doing cliche and boring shit. Non-vanilla is not just "fucked up shit".


63adf5  No.16012556

File: 8d95a9b34694684⋯.gif (285.21 KB, 500x365, 100:73, 8d95a9b346946840c443c7735c….gif)

>>16012482

>>16012380

>If it's not sex in the missionary position for the whole purpose of procreation is not vanilla

This meme needs to die.


ceac32  No.16013515

>>16012035

>fictional rape

My bad, I have no issue with fictional rape as long as it's got a good place within the story. Muv Luv for example.


b41e74  No.16013645

File: 34ecc3bcf04285a⋯.png (518.59 KB, 1254x702, 209:117, ClipboardImage.png)

FUUUUCK YOUU

FUUUUUUCK YOUUUUU


0b1699  No.16016914

File: 071472d486e902f⋯.jpg (833.67 KB, 1920x1200, 8:5, yande.re 266222 kimi_to_ka….jpg)

I didn't even realize the thread was almost dead. I'll get to making the new thread soon. I don't expect to find much news. I didn't even get to post some in this thread after I made it. Anyways, stay tuned.

Thread archive: http://archive.is/kO9zP


e20326  No.16020056

>>16016914

>I didn't even realize the thread was almost dead.

Hang on, I can make the thread alive again.

CLANNAD AND OTHER VARIOUS VN'S MADE BY KEY ARE LITERALLY THE BEST LITERATURE IN ALL OF MAN

And now we play the waiting game.


0b1699  No.16020344

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>Implying any of the best literature can compete with cute 2D girls


0b1699  No.16020764

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>>16020754

New thread.




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