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8295e8  No.16098676

What makes SMAC the best 4x game and why no other 4x manage to surpass it?

b87c5c  No.16098682

I wonder if I'll score dubs

209b9b  No.16098704

Innovative gameplay elements like the workshop for units, allowing you to design your own stuff, expansive terraforming and fantastic atmosphere and worldbuilding.

6a44e8  No.16098714

Fictional future nations and technological progress representing a distilled ideology and utopian project are appealing in a way history cannot manage to be.

8295e8  No.16098734


Even discounting the setting, SMAC is a much better game than any civilization game

3ea410  No.16098742

The writing is from a time when they didn't just hire the cheapest retards.

8d1c06  No.16098762

It's not made to appeal to the retard demographic. It got trashed by journos for being too complex and ever subsequent game got dumbed down because of that

732652  No.16098772

Never played it, but I remember reading a review as a kid which said some psychic mindworms are the most terrifying enemy in the game, is this true?

364854  No.16098830


No not really

797fa6  No.16098998

Great atmosphere and world building, good AI personalities that align with their background well enough that make each AI opponent feel distinct too, and exponential gains from technology due to lots of really cool stuff in the tech tree. The last point in particular makes it very fun to play - most new facilities, unit designs or terrain improvements are very impactful and make big differences, as opposed to the +10% to resource yield design of modern 4x games.

50feae  No.16099020

SMAC is a weird way to abbreviate Aurora

70c388  No.16099033

Master of Magic is more fun.

6d9936  No.16099072


>Mind worms

They are a nuisance at best, you want to know fear ? Leave Miriam or Yang to their own devices for a few turns and you will know the definition of fear. I made that mistake several times when I first began playing, and before I knew it I had endless waves of probes, rovers and planetary missles up my rectum

582094  No.16099077

I appreciated that every faction had viable and interesting philosophy behind them and that the creators despite having their own obvious biases made a concerted effort to treat each one evenhandedly.

531377  No.16099230

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I think it's the scale which you can interact with the surrounding world with.

I know of no other game in which I have come to conclusion that the most cost efficient and feasible method to go and attack some cunt that declared a war against me was to create a channel through a continent using weapons of mass destruction just so that my navy made out of submersible aircraft carriers could reach enemy territory few months earlier.

987d92  No.16099250


I just love that unlike many sci fi settings where the politics closely mirror our current politics, in alpha centauri it's all about general world philosophies each with their own pros and cons, it's tricky to truly pick a side since everything they present is so seemingly fundamental.

6a44e8  No.16099266


The expansion introduces a faction that can utilize the mind worms for early game rushing but otherwise they're pretty much just there to make the planet feel alive.

b8135c  No.16099268


It is trash.

582094  No.16099364


Care to expand on why you think this?

bf0171  No.16099375

The lore

b8135c  No.16099440


Because I said so.

It never clicked with me. The settings, the Factions, the graphics/designs.

209b9b  No.16099446


Poor Lal. The University fedoras deserve a good crusade.

987d92  No.16099453




More like a crappy zerg rush. Lord's Believers btfo

bf0171  No.16099505



Mariam is not anti technology she’s against the unethical Advances people will do when it comes to science

721c6d  No.16099588

I think that Endless Legend with all of its expansions might rival it in gameplay, but SMAC crushes it in character and that is no small thing in a 4x. 300 hours into Endless Legend and I still don't particularly care for any of the factions. First time that I played SMAC I WAS Cha Dawn.

b730a6  No.16099739


Writing, mechanics and aesthetics.

7afdce  No.16099835


It took me a while but I eventually came to understand that Miriam is one of the least insane faction leaders.

83359b  No.16099866

It's been a while since I played, but didn't the city resource-square zones cap at … 2 or three tiles out? Never did like how the newest Civ games have these cities that just sprawl out in ridiculous directions.

366303  No.16099874

File: e555abfee857740⋯.jpg (388.41 KB, 1400x900, 14:9, 65362.jpg)


What makes you such a low effort shitposter?


Underused mechanic but there's always Age of Wonders, Master of Magic, Lords of Magic and Perimeter to name a few.


They don't hold a candle to SMAC supply crawlers.

83359b  No.16099902


I never figured out Supply crawlers. What did they do?

987d92  No.16099917


Why is she so aggressive then?

b730a6  No.16099967

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Because there's batshit people doing horrific shit all around her.

7afdce  No.16100031


They can be used to rush secret projects, and if you park one on a resource, it gets added to its home base's resources, no matter how far away. This is how you get research bases with like 500+ lab scores.

797fa6  No.16100054


A supply crawler can convoy resources from a tile that's not currently worked by any base or already crawled to its home base. Even though a crawler can only convoy one type of resource at a time, it's essentially an extra point of population without all of the usual hassle of population like costing food or having to be pacified, without even costing supply themselves, so they're extremely important to your economy in general. As a bonus you can slap good armor on them and have them also act as a decent defensive line, or build crawlers in all bases and send them to one of your bases making a secret project to rush it up extremely fast.

e03eaf  No.16100079


for me it was three things: the workshop was excellent and added a ton of flexibility to your play, the setting was fantastic and fun, and the other civilizations had clear and obvious differences between one another insofar as their policies, attitude, aggressiveness etc

7afdce  No.16100097


Military aggression is less dangerous than the less overt shit that other factions could pull. Imagine Morgan triggering fungal blooms all over the planet or Zakharov building nanomachines that gain sentience and turn on their creators.

28f025  No.16100133

I stopped playing Alpha Centauri when Civ3 came around. Firaxis had this nice habit of trying a new engine with a non-civ game before going for the big leagues (civ4 uses the Pirates! one) and Civ3 is obviously a reskinning of AC.

Some things I remember:

-Any civ game not based on Earth's history allows for more rich variety of technologies/units/buildings. You no longer need to get to the last quarter of the game to get flying units, etc. I do like history, though.

-AC has its own sci-fi setting and a story. The leaders were very different, something civ3 didn't had.

-Terraforming. I'm pretty sure you could already blow hills in civ2 but not in civ3. I loved erradicating those red fungi Nd replacing them with green forests. Planet staryed to look more lile good old Earth.

-Troop edition. Choose a chasis, firepower, Shielding, etc. New shield tech: shall we upgrade our units?

-Wonder cinematics. Civ3 didn't had them.

As I said, I missed some things but I never came back from Civ3. Only once I got the Trascendence victory, totally awesome. Had to power off the computer and go to bed afterwards because nothing else was worth my attention for that day.

366303  No.16100167


>Civ3 is obviously a reskinning of AC

I don't know what fungus you're smoking but I want some.


>decent defensive line

Unfortunately that stops being effective come needlers and penetrators. Greatly effective against rovers, though.

987d92  No.16100172

File: 4504aa7c9c8018e⋯.png (33.09 KB, 1216x1112, 152:139, Gottem.png)


Apart from Yung and Morgan, I don't see anything wrong with the actions of all the other factions, if anything, she's the only one (outside of yung) stirring the pot over "muh I bet you thought I was gonna say kike on a stick "


What about Gaia and the UN?

209b9b  No.16100219


Like others have said, due to the others and what they're doing, especially later in the tech tree.

The first living thing to go through the device was a small white rat. I still have him, in fact. As you can see, the damage was not so great as they say.

Academician Prokhor Zakharov, "See How They Run"

My gift to industry is the genetically engineered worker, or Genejack. Specially designed for labor, the Genejack's muscles and nerves are ideal for his task, and the cerebral cortex has been atrophied so that he can desire nothing except to perform his duties. Tyranny, you say? How can you tyrannize someone who cannot feel pain?

It is every citizen's final duty to go into the tanks and become one with all the people.

Chairman Sheng-ji Yang, "Ethics for Tomorrow"

Some civilian workers got in among the research patients today and became so hysterical I felt compelled to have them nerve stapled. The consequence, of course, will be another public relations nightmare, but I was severely shaken by the extent of their revulsion towards a project so vital to our survival.

CEO Nwabudike Morgan, The Personal Diaries

Accompanies the Research Hospital facility

And so on.

987d92  No.16100241


When it comes to both Yang and Morgan to a lesser extent, I get it, but not for the rest of the factions, I doubt there's any reason to go after Gaia or the UN, and Zakharov's experiments may be inhumane at times, but I still think it's all an overreaction to go at war with anyone and everyone.

536d7b  No.16100252

File: 31f2043624dfa72⋯.png (4.35 MB, 1920x1080, 16:9, Mirad.png)


the UN is Mario and Gaia is right for the wrong reasons, still none of the leaders feel right because of the aggresive dumb 4X AI

582094  No.16100255


In addition to moral/philosophical concerns Miriam needs to be aggressive early to take best advantage of her fanatical and numerous armed forces before her research penalty really starts hurting her and minimizing that advantage late game. Yeah she has good Probe units to compensate but stealing scraps of tech only goes so far.

209b9b  No.16100264


> I doubt there's any reason to go after Gaia or the UN,

Deidre's arguably the worst of the bunch. She canonically murders Sparta, civies and soldiers alike, with worms that terrorize you as it eats your brain. War crimes don't get much worse than that. She's willing to anything for her ecological dreams.

987d92  No.16100276


>She canonically murders Sparta

Where was that? It's been a long time since I last played. Anyway, that still doesn't make her the worst of the bunch, underhanded, sure, but if I remember both Sparta and Gaia were threatening each other, besides, with Sparta, almost no one is a civie.

582094  No.16100282


To be fair it isn't like the Gaians would have ever been able to beat the Spartans in a straight war. They had one trump card available to them for being hippie planet worshipers and that card was brain melting carnivorous alien worms.

209b9b  No.16100291


I remember that it can be infered from quotes in the tech tree. I searched for a collection of them and found this. The context is important. At this point, it had been mentioned several times that the two factions were at war and that Deidre only fights with mindworms.

The klaxon began to wail, but we felt the reassuring tingle of the Tachyon Field crackling to life around us, encasing the entire base in its impenetrable glow.

Spartan Kel, "The Fall of Sparta"

Accompanies the Tachyon Field facility

>Anyway, that still doesn't make her the worst of the bunch, underhanded, sure, but if I remember both Sparta and Gaia were threatening each other, besides, with Sparta, almost no one is a civie.

Deidre, please. She butchered millions of her fellow humans with mind-eating worms. Underhanded? lol

209b9b  No.16100302


And if I remember correctly, the Spartans are never heard from again after this.

987d92  No.16100306


>Deidre, please. She butchered millions of her fellow humans with mind-eating worms. Underhanded? lol

Maybe not underhanded, but other factions like Miriam's would do the same thing, except without brain worms. Regardless, thanks for the info.

209b9b  No.16100316


Given Deidre's disposition, she was likely the aggressor, and noone forced her to genocide her enemies.

7afdce  No.16100339


Lal would turn the entire planet into Africa. A conniving bioleninist worm.

Deirdre kind of has the right idea if the transcendental ending is anything to go by. To be honest I'm still not sure exactly how the Gaians and the Cult of Planet differ ideologically.

987d92  No.16100349


Her AI in the game only attacks when confronted, I doubt she'd go after the Spartans if they didn't pose a threat to begin with.


I think lal would at best create a puppet state that mirrors states of old.

209b9b  No.16100356


>but other factions like Miriam's would do the same thing, except without brain worms.

I'm not so sure, honestly. With Yang, sure, if he had the option and it was to his advantage. Anyway, Deidre certainly outperformed the others in this regard.

209b9b  No.16100367


Well, that may explain how the war started, but how dangerous could they have been when she's able to overrun their capital?

987d92  No.16100382



I remembered the spartan barracks marches you'd sometimes hear, it's quite obvious that it must have been Sparta that began the conflict, after all, they ran the mutiny too at the ship.

I don't know but I've been told

Deirdre's got a Network Node

Likes to press the on-off switch

Dig that crazy Gaian witch

Chairman Yang is control freak

Maybe he's just a crazy chink

Likes to keep an eye on his men

Can't dig him worth a damn

Morgan likes to count his energy

All he thiks is economy

He thinks money is all that

Dig that crazy CEO bat

If Zakharov can't study

His mind becomes fuzzy

His morale is nonexistant

His goals are always distant

Hit Lal a bit harder

He'll go kiss his Charter

He wants this planet to be at peace

Of his land we'll take a piece

Miriam is bible lover

In her belief she seeks cover

Now she think she's a pope

Dig that crazy readhead dope

We the Spartans are the best

So much better than the rest

Our army is number one

Santiago leads us with a gun.

582094  No.16100390


Spartan Federation excels at small elite armies outfighting and outgunning other larger but less well trained and equipped armies. This doctrine of war is rather less effective against endless swarms of telepathic worm death backed up by traditional forces. The telepathic mind shields and techniques they created just couldn't close the gap enough to avail them.

366303  No.16100403


Nice try anon but keep trying

209b9b  No.16100442

As the writhing, teeming mass of mindworms swarmed over the outer perimeter, we saw the defenders recoil in horror. "Stay calm! Use your flame guns!" shouted the commander, but to no avail. It is well know that the Mind Worm Boil uses psychic terror to paralyze its prey, and then carefully implants ravenous larvae into the brains of its still-conscious victims. Even with the best weapons, only the most disciplined troops can resist this horrific attack.

Lady Deirdre Skye, "Our Secret War"

Accompanies the Secret Project "The Citizen's Defense Force"

Seems like she was conducting the war in secret and pretending that the worms she controlled were just Planet acting up, atleast at first, so she was likely the aggressor.

209b9b  No.16100480

We are all aware that the senses can be deceived, the eyes fooled. But how can we be sure our senses are not being deceived at any particular time, or even all the time? Might I just be a brain in a tank somewhere, tricked all my life into believing in the events of this world by some insane computer? And does my life gain or lose meaning based on my reaction to such solipsism?

Project PYRRHO, Specimen 46, Vat 7. Activity recorded M.Y. 2302.22467. (TERMINATION OF SPECIMEN ADVISED)

Accompanies the Bioenhancement Center facility

It is not uncommon to see patients undergo permanent psychological trauma in the presence of the Sphere, before the nerve stapler has even been strapped into position. Its effect on the general consciousness of the culture is profound: husbands have seen wives go inside, and mothers their children. Dr. Xynan left the surface of the sphere semitranslucent for a reason. You can hear them in there; you can see them. It is a thing of terrible beauty.

Baron Klim, "The Music of the Spheres"

Accompanies the Punishment Sphere facility

Found some other nice ones. Miriam was right. We must dissent.

987d92  No.16100481


Seems like a per-emtive strike, we also know that Skye was in contacted with the planet's consciousness or whatever the hell that was, so it's likely she was carrying out the planet's (?) bidding. It doesn't matter since canonically Gaia wins and transcends, leading to the events of Alien Crossfire

987d92  No.16100486


With Miriam Dying in that faulty PSI Gate

366303  No.16100553


The fuck are you talking about? SMAX starts ten-fifteen years after the original planetfall ie well before any ending. I mean, I knew it's going to be a shit thread from that OP but for fucks sake, lay of the fan fiction already.

3ea410  No.16100870


I always took Miriam for a religious nut job but after seeing what the fuck goes on IRL I can fully understand her "We must dissent" stance.

2b4aa8  No.16100884

It was ok at best, too many niggers but overall a bland boring game

b730a6  No.16100926

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>the only 4x with real character and AIs with personality


584658  No.16101025


>whenever I play, I always kill Lal as soon as I can because his pic looks like he smells like shit

8295e8  No.16101381


Your mother probably should have had an abortion tbqh

263f63  No.16101499

File: 0ba73740e717acb⋯.png (43.93 KB, 1269x327, 423:109, BeyondEarth.png)

Alpha Centauri just has that spark. Each of the base factions is very fleshed out, has a point to them and you can relate to them, eventually.

The expansion is flawed, but as far as the base game is concerned:

The writing, characters and factions are 10/10 and as close as practically perfect as you can get.

The gameplay is pretty damn good, because it has great pacing, a fuckton of customability, terraforming and constant interaction through the diplomacy/spying/buying off.

Its something modern 4x games get wrong often, where you have massive stretches of peace, then really long, tedious wars that are just a hassle and pain to win, even if you vastly outmatch your enemy.

The only thing you can fault Alpha Centauri for is the graphics, which were decent at the time and aged alright. It runs on 1080p screens with a quick .ini edit no problem, and the AI which has problem with naval wars. But it is still better than today's AIs.

83359b  No.16101660


>It is every citizen's final duty to go into the tanks and become one with all the people.


>Chairman Sheng-ji Yang, "Ethics for Tomorrow"

Note for anyone who doesn't remember, the "tanks" are for the city facility, Recycling Tanks

864b71  No.16101909

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you are like little baby

937c5a  No.16102347


Isn't that the whole point? These specialists are left to run countries on their own, without the restraint/pushes that the other factions had.

25b584  No.16102381


Gee, I thought he was talking about the massage-and-relax tanks.

b48645  No.16103468


>tiles with a resource bonus on them have no resource cap

I also love how resource income from crawlers can't peter or run out

>mind worm rush

Yeah, that moral penalty really hurts regular units. Psionic combat is primarily planet rating, isn't it?

918ce0  No.16103672


SMAC is a shitty 4x rpg. It has overdesigned menu and shitty gameplay. Boring.

25b584  No.16103673


Friendly reminder that these are the quality posters Mark wants on his board.

209b9b  No.16103827




>the menus are difficult to navigate

209b9b  No.16106253

bump for more talk about one of my favorite games

b48645  No.16107290





>no actual gameplay

Let it die mate. It would be the merciful thing to do.

7afdce  No.16107563

So I started a game as the Gaians, determined to use native units, and it's REALLY tempting to just dump them and spam nerve gas penetrators instead. Demon boils just aren't cutting it against the alien factions, and rushing them is suicide because of their starting bonuses.

Probably could have rushed some of the human factions but Marr was a more pressing concern.

Anyone have tips on using Gaians or Cult vs. the aliens?

000000  No.16107580


>I also love how resource income from crawlers can't peter or run out

Supply crawlers are too easily cheesed imo.

>Yeah, that moral penalty really hurts regular units. Psionic combat is primarily planet rating, isn't it?

You get a +10% psi attack bonus (no psi defense bonus) per planet rating. Also a higher planet score increases your chances of recruiting mindworms and the number of mind worms you can have under control before you can no longer recruit native mind worms. Morale has no impact on native units. If you make a regular unit with psi combat though it's a different game.


Ew you're playing the expansion. Anyhow, get a Dream Twister and make sure they don't have a Neural Amplifier. Aside from that get Green fast and park a couple of units walking through fungus to keep recruiting mind worms as you lose 'em. That's about it. Also, rushing is pretty much the way to go if you're going native.

7afdce  No.16107623


> and the number of mind worms you can have under control before you can no longer recruit native mind worms

That explains the high failure rate midgame.

I know worm rushing works on human factions, but I'm still skeptical about its effectiveness against aliens. They start with anti-psionic tech and have passive combat bonuses.

I might try it with the Cult for the higher planet rating.

000000  No.16107775


>That explains the high failure rate midgame.

They had to patch that in. Originally there was no limit so gaian mindworm rush could just drown you out in an endless tide of worms. From midgame onwards you'll have to make your own mindworms in your bases.

>I know worm rushing works on human factions, but I'm still skeptical about its effectiveness against aliens. They start with anti-psionic tech

They don't, although they can tech it fairly quickly. But even then on land combat there's a huge advantage to psi attackers, and planet rating boosts the attack bonus higher.

>and have passive combat bonuses.

Not sure if they apply to psi combat or not. Believers don't, but maybe aliens do. At any rate those bonuses should not be enough to fend off mindworms on the attack though, especially if you use a monolith to upgrade them.

9a6b7d  No.16108692

I really like the interlogs that tell little stories as you progress and the intro story is interesting.

7afdce  No.16108775


> huge advantage to psi attackers, and planet rating boosts the attack bonus higher

I dunno, Marr and H'minee were doing pretty well with their 3r units against my demon boils w/+3 planet rating.

> especially if you use a monolith to upgrade them

I need to start doing this. I keep saving them for later because I'm not used to rushing.

209b9b  No.16109009

Are there any good sci-fi novels with similar story? I mean, stories about a ragtag group of humans on an isolated planet.

987d92  No.16109015


The Sid Meier's Alpha Centauri Book Series

209b9b  No.16109059


Read them. The first one's alright, the rest should be skipped.

987d92  No.16109070


>the rest should be skipped


209b9b  No.16109111


You haven't read them yet? Decreasing quality. There's three of them and a stand-alone graphical novel. The cartoon's excellent, and if you don't own it, love the game and have a chance to get it, I highly recommend it. Very beautiful artwork. I think I bought it two decades ago. The first novel in the series deals with a fairly small-scale struggle between the peacekeepers and the spartans. Like i alluded to, the author handled it well and it's enjoyable to read. With the other two, he opens up the world and brings in the other factions. They also deal with matters that are further from planetfall. The complexity became too much for him. They were a letdown, desu.

000000  No.16109741


Just for context Gaians could drown the entire world map in mind worms before the patch.


>I dunno, Marr and H'minee were doing pretty well with their 3r units against my demon boils w/+3 planet rating.

If they already have res you are going to be in for a worse time, yes, especially if it's res + trance. If you have a bunch of units patrolling fungus for more mindworms though you can just keep throwing worms at 'em to grind 'em down.

>because I'm not used to rushing

The whole point of rushing is wrecking your opponents before they've built up adequate defenses.


Destination: Void and sequels by Frank Herbert. I believe they formed the inspiration for Sid Meier's Alpha Centauri. Herbert's a rather good writer too.

209b9b  No.16109771


>Destination: Void and sequels by Frank Herbert

Thanks, man. I'll check them out.

84b3be  No.16110287

This is still the GOAT game as far as I'm concerned, it's gaming's swan song. Not a single game made today, not even a single piece of fiction in today's media hellscape, comes close to this game's story, lore, attention to detail, and atmosphere. Of course, if it were made today, people would think it's SJW bullshit because Morgan's a nigger and Deirdre's an eco-Nazi libtard and of course Miriam's le ebil Christaggette.

2d5e8f  No.16110291

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Alpha Centauri was a reskin of 2 not 3. 3 sucked ass and removed half the shit from previous games.

84b3be  No.16110295


Civ II is still the best of the Civ games, but SMAC is better than all Civ games combined.

209b9b  No.16110664



4's the best one, niggers.

87ff35  No.16110729

File: 8473e796f20d496⋯.jpg (Spoiler Image, 759.1 KB, 1000x1000, 1:1, iced-tea.jpg)


That's a weird way to spell Civ. V with the Brave New World expansion pack.

ca6653  No.16110755


I love how Yang's faction is the final evolution of what it means to be a bugman

be0c2e  No.16110810

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.


Anti-Hive propaganda, such as post number >>16110755 will not be tolerated. Together we shall overcome the ying-yang dualism. Enlightenment is a function of willpower. The goals of the group and the greater race are transcendent, and to embrace them is to achieve enlightenment. Please resume your great and high work.


be0c2e  No.16110912

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Thank you for your service to the Hive. Please continue with your assigned occupation.

84b3be  No.16110929


IV is second best, faggot. I'd rather play it, 2 and SMAC over the rest.

372174  No.16111196

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be0c2e  No.16111926

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This poster is correct, our fungal experimentation brigades have proven to be wildly successful. Chairman Yang disapproves of the label "xeno-gruel" for Nutritional Substance AX-ㄨㄟ.

The Hive has no slaves, and the supposed inferiority of the individual Hive soldier is irrelevant.

372174  No.16112008

File: 0cc3f966ab8c0e7⋯.png (123.4 KB, 356x438, 178:219, 8ti70l.png)


Yang isn't a commie. Both his title of "Despot" and his philosophy reflect that. He's about the strong projecting the will on the irrelevant. There are no slaves because Gene-jacks are less than animals. Coincidentally the inspiration for him wasn't Mao but mostly warlords like Yuan Shikai.

be0c2e  No.16112056

File: 06a708783ae537f⋯.png (16.61 KB, 200x120, 5:3, ClipboardImage.png)


Exactly, the Hive has no slaves. The goals of the group are the most important. Or, as Mr. Spock put it:

>The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few.

209b9b  No.16112116

File: 177538ea81aa214⋯.png (880.1 KB, 1600x900, 16:9, adsfh.png)


>quoting spok

Yikes, dude.

3b7c36  No.16112138

File: 480f3f4986b76cc⋯.png (595.39 KB, 603x452, 603:452, DDBBCE9[1].png)

File: 6c8ff57bf98a52a⋯.png (380.26 KB, 560x315, 16:9, Iavf2UX[1].png)

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There's a great multiplayer game of smac thats been going on for over half a year over at rpgcodex. They seem to spend more time writing up propaganda than actually playing, it is completely impenetrable who is actually winning.

372174  No.16112162

File: 227e54d98a3d5ef⋯.jpg (51.13 KB, 822x634, 411:317, tr7.jpg)


In this case the needs of the Yang outweigh the needs of others.


That's Mr. Spock to you, faggot.

b1681b  No.16112416




bd4bfd  No.16112468


And your post is a weird way to bait. List the features that are better in Aurora besides less outdated interface.

000000  No.16115398


NOOB ALERT. The difference between a player who uses supply crawlers and one who doesn't is the difference between a winner and a loser.


No because she's an aggressive religious fundamentalist. But it is also true that she has a more level head about the immoral shit people get up to.

97ffeb  No.16115550


The CoP wants to first kill all unbelivers and then commit suicide, ending humanity forever.

e7f2ec  No.16115627


That's the Codex for you. It does make for a great read, but it also means joining a game gives you the responsibility to LARP as hard as you can.

209b9b  No.16118669

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3b7c36  No.16120885

Any tips on how to play to snag the human genome project early when playing as Lal?

23d14f  No.16121205


Lal of all people shouldn't have many issues with this because his extra talent in every city is pretty invaluable early on. Get six bases up reasonably fast while beelining for Industrial Automation (requires: Synthmetal > Free Market, Network Node > Planned techs) after the obligatory Centauri Ecology, maybe picking up Social Psych along the way. Put up Recycling Tanks and a sea of forests absolutely everywhere, plus connecting roads. Don't piss off any neighbouring AI enough to get attacked by them, this is as easy as giving in to their tribute demands like a little bitch and not adopting their hated civics. Get Wealth unless you're next to Santiago, and one of the economic civics, probably Free Market since Lal and Planned don't mix well. Build Supply Crawlers in all your bases and rebase them to the base you want your project in, then have them all crawl minerals from unworked forests. Start the project, keep building crawlers in other bases to rush along the project or add more mineral income. Pray Deirdre didn't start the project absurdly early. Receive project. This becomes a lot harder on Random Research, of course, but you might be fine with a little bit of luck if you run a mono-Build focus for long enough.

4dd352  No.16121249

Because it eliminates the tedium of micromanagement during late game? Oh, wait…

ca97ef  No.16121674


Research Biogenetics first, build recycling tanks and start it early enough. Also, don't produce too many units in the base you're making it in. There's no real secret to it since it's so early in the game, the only pitfall is overproducing units

23d14f  No.16121681


Which is also why Lal should have an easy time, since his starting tech is Biogenetics.

be0c2e  No.16127689

File: 6c0e86654a9a0f4⋯.webm (8 MB, 1280x720, 16:9, bumper2.webm)


7d1afe  No.16127888

File: 0a84b1826c21a6b⋯.png (221.65 KB, 1024x767, 1024:767, Capitol.png)


Raise your solar farm up to max elevation.

dc5df9  No.16128163

Needs a sequel.

dc5df9  No.16128165


Or an Open Source re implementation, that would be good enough, running it on modern PCs is a bit of a pain, even with patches.

939e02  No.16128667


Do you really want a sequel to this game in current year + X?

dc5df9  No.16128673


If I got to make it yes.

209b9b  No.16129019


Based Morgan's making the planet into his bitch.

be0c2e  No.16139448

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ca97ef  No.16141137


I'm imagining it.

Nu-Zakharov, now a female social scientist talking about gender, dropping all the immoral and unethical aspects of university.

Aki-Zeta being a tranny.

Mind worms being turned form biological horrors into domesticateable animals.

Yang being turned into a good guy communist.

Santiago and Miriam (probably turned male) turned into basically identical evil warmongers.

Atrocities removed completely.

All story written to take out the gorrific and dystopian undertones, replaced by "A new, better and more tolerant society in space"

The very thought is nauseating

be0c2e  No.16142492

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.


fuckin dream twister shit right there

721c6d  No.16142532

File: 9c1cc01f7cecdc1⋯.png (480.42 KB, 1000x1500, 2:3, Illustration4444.png)

I drew this for a thing.

be0c2e  No.16142562

File: 5d2462b14b33c34⋯.jpg (146.87 KB, 800x600, 4:3, MORGAN_INDUSTRIES.jpg)


looks good! Have you done Deidre? She'd probly do kinky shit because Planet told her to

209b9b  No.16142582


Why doesn't inefficiency kill Morgan's economy in that pic?

721c6d  No.16142632


No, I had some ideas for Deidre while drawing this but I'm not interested right now. I haven't gotten into her as a character within the game.

7afdce  No.16142809


How is this possible by 2221? And why is Morgan producing mind worms and isles of the deep?

209b9b  No.16144297


kills a third of your cities with a planet buster

Nothing personal, kid.

4049db  No.16144345

Invidious embed. Click thumbnail to play.



it already (((happened)))

they can't use the actual alpha centauri title because the trademark is owned by EA

7d1afe  No.16144434


Inefficiency is a city distance calculation I think, so ICS is even better at fighting inefficiency than spreading cities out.


spam colonies, have your formers road everything and do forest and forget to begin with, once you start cranking out crawlers go nuts. Morgan also can get to +4 econ early which gives city squares tons of bonus energy, which again, ICS maximizes the hell out of.


You can rush PBs with crawlers, so its real fun to build a PB in every city in that setup as well.

If you really want to stop such a player, you have to catch them way earlier than PBs quite frankly, but it can be done.

7d1afe  No.16144440


This, and the Pandora tomorrow intro both have this same speech style where she is reading one sentence at a time, and then there is a major pause, nothing at all like the smac/x intro which flows seemlessly through the narration. Why'd they phone this part in?

be0c2e  No.16145137


Good thing Beyond Earth isn't actually good and it's not really associated with SMAC.

2edc6e  No.16145165


Mirum a best.

1b3174  No.16145182


Remember to get the AI patch and play on Transcend difficulty to get the full experience. Making a 'custom' map expanding the size of the world could also work well, I typically use between 100x100 and 128x128.

376f9c  No.16145200

Master of Orion 2 is the best 4x game and hasn't been surpassed. Anyone who disagrees has shit taste.

721c6d  No.16146110

Is there any practical way to scroll the screen when you have multiple monitors? The mouse does not lock to the window.

83359b  No.16146218

File: f1c7058c2967ce7⋯.png (107.19 KB, 258x387, 2:3, Civilization_Beyond_Earth_….png)

What happened?

Why did this happen?

cdf905  No.16146257


Deidre made a psychic network to eliminate all "drones". She's the hillary clinton of SMAC.

f87ed0  No.16146259


>What happened?


>Why did this happen?

Firaxes doesn't know how to make good games anymore. Considering how woke this game and Civ6 are they probably purged all their good devs when removing wrong think.

000000  No.16155167


>Inefficiency is a city distance calculation I think, so ICS is even better at fighting inefficiency than spreading cities out.

Yes and no. The inefficiency fall-off is only based on city distance from HQ, but bureaucracy drones (another result from bad efficiency) comes from the total number of bases you possess (& difficulty & map size), so ICS usually fucks itself on that front.

Spreading cities out is not a problem as long as you use all the nearby tiles. Inefficiency only rises if you cover a larger area, but not if it's fewer bases in the same area. Morgan is good at freakish ICS mostly because his base population limit sucks and he gets massive energy bonuses per base tile. Since Morgan can't really go tall he has to go wide and use his giant income to come out ahead. The lower support score also means he can only support 1 unit per base (unless he's running democracy, which means 0 units per base), so if he wants more units, he needs more bases. And that is why Morgan loves the base spam.

637cee  No.16155308


Yang can't be a "good guy communist" when his real life counterpart is being mean to Muslims, which is also why Miram was always a white scottish cunt despite being ISIS so these sorts of "controversial" events can't be recreated ingame, at least not directly.

>All story written to take out the gorrific and dystopian undertones, replaced by "A new, better and more tolerant society in space"

That's more or less what SMAC is about, until the UN is abolished.

476225  No.16155330

Endless Legend is the only good 4X, in my opinion.

t. /gsg/

56cdeb  No.16155378


637cee  No.16155380


My main issue with CivBE wasn't that it was cucked but that it was just so racial. Sure, the leaders in SMAC were racial stereotypes as well (and in SMACX they specifically made the straight white male into the retard faction's leader) but the factions themselves were not. This was obvious if you used the entertainment center facility, which described Morgan's casinos, Sparta's coliseum, and Lal's libraries all of which are non-racial and spoke to the much greater beliefs of each individual society, demonstrating their uniqueness.

Meanwhile in BE it's all just earth factions but in spaaaaace. It was lame and was just earth politics in spaaaace. That in it of itself was never enough and the game was forgotten because of it. Also most of the factions were laughable, and there was no south american faction for some reason since the devs thought that brazil is all of south america. It's just bizarre and really boring.

721c6d  No.16157026

File: 0049e6b8384499b⋯.png (487.86 KB, 1000x1500, 2:3, 2222222222.png)


changed some small staff that bothered me too much


The game is pretty great, but the flavour is a bit weak, innit? The factions all feel so shallow in personality. Perhaps they've hidden most of the character in all the shitty text dumps that I don't read.

I tried playing it online but so far Ive only encountered russians and other folks refusing to speak english. Whats the point of a 4x if you cant roleplay?

7d1afe  No.16158019


> but bureaucracy drones (another result from bad efficiency) comes from the total number of bases you possess (& difficulty & map size), so ICS usually fucks itself on that front.

Each city will have only one worker on a borehole, and controlling a single drone isn't too much of an issue.

>Spreading cities out is not a problem as long as you use all the nearby tiles.

Hab domes come so late, and are so expensive that this isn't really worth it.

>so if he wants more units, he needs more bases

More bases is also more build queues to build more units, and upgrading shells is freakishly strong.

7d1afe  No.16158023


The main weakness for Morgan is that he can't run planned economy and pop-boom.

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