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File: c31b14815470964⋯.jpg (2.68 MB, 2001x2881, 2001:2881, Grand Strategy Games.jpg)

7ed086  No.16099086

Grand Strategy Games

Archive

>>>/sengoku/1

>Where do mods go and other info?

https://pastebin.com/dTCRqZuN

>Anon's Edits (EU4, CK2 and V2)

https://pastebin.com/VZumvXiR

This Day in History, February 9th

>1904 Russo-Japanese War: Battle of Port Arthur concludes.

>1916 Conscription begins in Great Britain as the Military Service Act becomes effective.

>1942 Top United States military leaders hold their first formal meeting to discuss American military strategy in the war.

>1942 Year-round Daylight saving time aka War Time is re-instated in the United States as a wartime measure to help conserve energy resources

>1943 The Red Army takes back Kursk 15 months after it fell to the Germans.

>1964 The U.S. embassy in Moscow is stoned by Chinese and Vietnamese students.

>1978 Canada expels 11 Soviets in spying case.

>1994 Nelson Mandela becomes the first black president of South Africa.

6e333f  No.16099461

File: c34f606b6bf7f7a⋯.jpg (568.97 KB, 555x1000, 111:200, oreimo_ija.jpg)

File: cef75c635f57fdf⋯.jpg (501.51 KB, 1920x1080, 16:9, k1T9IDq.jpg)

First for 大日本帝国


b90dc6  No.16099466

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.

de2d68  No.16099481

>>16099461

is it actually possible to annex parts of china as japan? I cant remember correctly but once they go western you arent allowed to take chunks of them, only ports


b90dc6  No.16099503

>>16099481

Yes, you can ask for colonies bigger than ports once you have land bordering China. That's in HFM with Anon's submod at least.


de2d68  No.16099583

>>16099503

what about the rest of GPs, can they also do it if they have lands bordering china?


b90dc6  No.16099601

File: 8e726ec451a4e42⋯.jpg (490.27 KB, 1920x1080, 16:9, 20190123195102_1.jpg)

>>16099583

After a certain year I think so.


6e333f  No.16099646

>>16099601

>>16099583

>>16099503

>>16099481

I've read cb_types.txt for normal HFM and:

>if a state has less than 600,000 pops total you can always take it

>for coastal regions you need naval directionism (naval logistics for Japan) and machine guns (not required for Japan), you can't have any non-colonial provinces bordering the region you want to take (not ANY provinces for Japan - this is probably to activate the second set of requirements and make taking regions after you make treaty ports into states more difficult)

>for any other regions, you can never take ones with more than 2,000,000 pops; you need machine guns, military logistics, integral rail system (steel railroad for Japan) and the region NEEDS to border a non-colonial province with a railroad in it

So in several ways, requirements actually get more steep if you have a treaty port bordering the region, but once you meet them you can take them as non-colonial states (they merge with the state containing the treaty port and the whole becomes non-colonial) so it's a trade-off.


ff238b  No.16099658

>>16099503

What's better, HFM-Anon or Blood & Iron?


b90dc6  No.16099661

>>16099658

HFM-Anon but that's because I'm biased because I'm helping him.


09ef21  No.16100889

>>16099601

I haven't played HFM, dafuq is aridoamerica?


6b2804  No.16100898

Should just call it "Paracocks" thread cause that's the only thing anyone plays here


b90dc6  No.16100933

File: 139ed37ac40dc9c⋯.png (2.81 MB, 1920x1080, 16:9, ClipboardImage.png)

>>16100889

Imagine if Texas formed a union with the Californians, North Mexicans, and I guess the Mormons for good measure.


ff238b  No.16100986

>>16100898

List other games of the same type from different studios.


20ced0  No.16102289

>>16099658

B&I because it isnt a mess


e53991  No.16107716

File: b443ed8cb712638⋯.jpg (101.39 KB, 1024x576, 16:9, 3a82f050ff2c72eb1a00a79121….jpg)

>>16099601

>>16099461

>Blobbing into China as Japan.

The 皇道派 would be ashamed. This is not what 天皇 would want.


967582  No.16107748

>>16099086

Grand Strategy Games are shit.


ccbd43  No.16107834

>>16107716

The coloring made it look like a Dark Souls meme.


1991f5  No.16108753

>>16107748

Prove it.


0dc610  No.16109029

>>16107716

how else are you supposed to keep them in check?


4d6b95  No.16109795

>>16109029

Take all coastal states and coasts only.


30df18  No.16110948

File: 06c0e115c2d8589⋯.png (1.78 MB, 1738x791, 1738:791, WeißUndBaßed.png)

20 Shermans = 1 Panzerkampfwagen Sechs Ausführung B mit achtundachtzig Kampfwagenkanone dreiundvierzig L/einundsiebzig feuer Panzergranate neununddreißig/dreiundvierzig Panzerbrechend mit Hartkern unter Ballistik-Kappe, Projektil hochexplosiv und Panzergranate vierzig/dreiundvierzig Hartkernmunition panzerbrechend und Granate neununddreißig/drei Hohlladungsgeschoss panzerbrechend und zwei sieben zweiundneunzig Maschinengewehr vierunddreißig auf der Deutsches Heer


b5e0ee  No.16110962

File: 06d020da744cbe7⋯.jpg (467.75 KB, 1600x1248, 50:39, maskiner.jpg)

Anyone else tried the new HPM version? From what little I've played it seems like it's as much a rebel fest as vanilla, but I'm very intrigued by some of the new changes such as RGO choice in colonies. https://www.moddb.com/mods/historical-project-mod/news/version-04-highlights


e53991  No.16111123

File: 23a1c812a295019⋯.png (515.6 KB, 1920x1228, 480:307, 1920px-Hokushin-ron-Map.sv….png)

>>16109029

Hokushin-ron, you mongoloid.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hokushin-ron

All you really need from China is Taiwan. It's more important to keep Russia in check and ensure an East Asian sphere of influence with Japan at the center. Japan has the sea, and if they also have the north, they have succeeded in protecting and developing East Asia into the new world. Defense in the south and advance in the north. Southern expansionists went against the will of the Emperor and ruined Japan's chance at surviving WWII.


e53991  No.16111138

What EUIII mods do you use?


aa20d1  No.16111168

What's "grand" about these games?


d8cc47  No.16111314

>>16111168

Your mom's ass


aa20d1  No.16111319

>>16111123

Japan actually went south because Shitler cucked out and formed a non-aggression pact with the Soviet Union just as Japan was clashing with them.


92a168  No.16111360

>>16111319

t. retard who takes everything at face value

Neither Hitler or Stalin had any good intentions towards each other. The Molotov-Rippentrop pact was not an act of permanent friendship.


b8395e  No.16111369

>>16111319

To be honest NAP would have been fine if Germans had bothered to tell the Nips that it was ruse instead of real. That failure of communication was pretty much the worst mistake Nazi leadership did since without access to Vladivostok would have lost majority of the lend-leased supplies which prevented it from collapsing. It's also debatable whether or not Roosevelt's administration could have succeeded in provoking attack from Nips or convincing the public of the necessity to defend commies.


48e7a8  No.16111378

>>16100933

Did you get accepted cultures? Mine is broken and the events don't work for some reason.


976766  No.16111564

>>16111369

There was lend-lease going through vladivostok? that doesn't make any sense


1d62e9  No.16111586

>>16111319

>t. retard

Japanese would surely be thrilled to attack USSR when they were already at war with China for two fucking years, it it only weren't for Molotov-Ribbentrop.

>>16111123

>>16111369

Discussing northern road by the time Japanese were already at war with China is pointless, as they never would have actually gone through with it even had Khalinin Gol ended favourably. Japanese main concern was the lack of resources, and the war with China steadily ate through their reserves. Even had they decided to adopt a defense policy in the south and simply switched to defense, instead focusing on the north, it wouldn't have helped them – while there are plenty of resources in Siberia, the bulk of them was still untapped and the infrastructure was often non-existent – it would take years just to trasport the mining equipment there from Japan, start mining operations, and build the roads and railways necessary to actually transport these resources somehwhere useful, all the while fighting back chinks from the south and russians from the west, not to mention the partisan activity over the massive fucking territory that is Siberia – it would be a logistical nightmare and Japan would run out of resources all the sooner, without accomplishing its goals. Perhaps if the Japanese attacked USSR in 1941 (rather than suggested 1939) in conjunction with Barbarossa, they could hope for a quick victory in Siberia as USSR would focus its units west, but even then it wouldn't actually help them with finishing the job in China, and more importantly, in 1941 the war in China was already taking significantly longer than expected and Japanese resources were stretching thin (which led to the desperate attack on USA in attempt to gain resources from Dutch Indies, Phillipines, and other western colonies). In reality, Japan lost its chance to go with the northern road plan in 1937, when it went to war with China. Had they waited for Hitler to start Barbarossa (as I doubt Japan could actually beat USSR in a 1 on 1 fight, even if we take the purges into account), they could have gained Siberia and taken on China later, but of course, nobody could have known such things would happen back in 1937 – Hitler didn't even Anschluss Austria back then and didn't seem like the head of a superpower, and worse yet, Germany seemed to be interested in cooperating with China rather than Japan due to the Sino-German cooperation.


750b26  No.16111593

Anyone here got a link for the latest CK2plus? I don't have a paracucks account.


e415e1  No.16111666

>>16111593

Why don't you just buy it? :^)


659073  No.16111975

>>16111138

Miscmods+DAO is okay. The bigger overhaul mods like MEIOU run like shit in my experience.


59114a  No.16112545

so, i started europa universalis 3, Ui/hud ok, understandable but still, seems like i can't have any influence at all. yes, i already unpaused the game.

tell me in one sentence, what to do!


07ed93  No.16112661

>>16112545

Watch a fucking youtube video if you are too dumb to play yourself.


750b26  No.16112775

>>16111666

johan pls go


0cdf62  No.16112779

How is anon edits going?

Last i saw he wanted to add more products to the world market.


59114a  No.16112784

>>16112661

not going to watch jewtube shit, already playing it and found shit on my own. fucking faggot.

now tell me where i get some good mods and shit you lazy asshole


750b26  No.16112790

>>16112779

And I failed horribly, they AI is just too retarded to use factory-produced goods so we ended up with XYZ shortages of new RGOs.

Currently I'm removing them, but I've been slowed down by wagecuckery.


07ed93  No.16112798

File: b9d9aa67da257df⋯.jpg (92.9 KB, 504x821, 504:821, 1467113508299-0.jpg)

>>16112784

>two posts

>both are begging for simple shit

>calls other lazy


0cdf62  No.16112806

>>16112790

Got the changelog lad?

ive been tied up with university since november more or less.


750b26  No.16112833

>>16112806


V1.44D:
• New flags for Fascist and Monarchy Tibet.
• Gave china several montane farmland terrain provinces in Yunnan and Guizhou
• Added the requisite of owning Texas to demand the 36 parallel as CSA.
• Reworked the Aridoamerica alliance and vassalization decisions.
• The player can now choose whether to accept or reject a GP building the Panama/Suez canal on their clay.
• Fixed Austin still being a port.
• Added a decision for Texas/Rio Grande to claim Texas/Rio Grande if either nation doesn’t exist.
• Added 4 new sea provinces: St. Lawrence River, Lower Don, Lower Volga and Danube Delta.
• Added a portage/canal-type province to the Welland Canal which connects Lake Ontario to Lake Eire.
• Added a canal-type province to the Volga-Don River system, the player can choose to build a canal there much like the Suez or Panama Canals, granting access to the Caspian sea; the AI will only build it in after 1948.
• New terrain type: High Plateau, mostly on Tibet and the Southern Andes.
• Added the following RGOs: Sugar, Spices, copper, lead.
• Added the following factories: Rum Distillery, Bronze Foundry, Bronze Artillery Factory.
• Modified the RGO change events to better fit the new RGOs.
• Added a new formable country: Andean Federation. Before Bolívar died, he had envisioned a united republic comprised of Gran Colombia, Bolivia and Peru. Now you can fulfill this ambition as either Gran Colombia or the Peru-Bolivia Confederacy (but only if you kept the confederacy alive or reformed the confederacy as Bolivia, for historical reasons Peru cannot form this union)
• Added a decision a-la Turkish Removal but for slaves in the Gran Colombia/Andean Federation: You can send all your ex-slaves to Haiti while vassalizing them.
• Added a decision to choose Andean Federation’s capital and primary culture.
• Added Rum distilleries to Maracay, Jagua, New Orleans and Recife.
• Changed Hispaniola’s tradegoods to sugar and terrain types to farmland hills and montane farmland.
• Added steel factory to Tunja.
• Fixed the Gran Colombia formation decision.
• Fixed several events in the Venezuela-UK Guyana arbitration.
• Nigger-rigged event 1999998025 (VNZ’s plea to the USA) to work as player USA. Sadly non-ai USA won’t get the event, but will still be able to play the game. I encountered an odd error here that makes the game randomly crash and sadly I haven’t found a proper solution for it.
• Overhauled the dismantling events for RUS, FRA, ENG, USA and TUR
• Plagiarized a bunch of cool inventions from PDM
• Added several new inventions for the new RGOS
• Plagiarized a bunch of cool techs from PDM
• Cracking (oil) can now be researched in the 1850’s
• Added the following provinces: Olbia, Orisanto, Siracusa, Trapani, Agrigento and San Felipe, Comitan, Tenosique and Calakmul. Lappeeranta, Joensuu, Alakurtti. Dogubayazit, Mezereh, Igdir.
• Added the following regions: Tabasco. Kola Peninsula, Bitlis, Harput, Sivas, Ganja, North Caucasia.
• Added the following cultures: Karelian, Turkic Minor, Tati-Talyshi, Mizrahi, Laz.
• Added the following countries: Melikdoms of Khamsa.
• Added Ingriyan cores to Ingriya (Previously unused.)
• Added decisions to rename stuff claimed by Greater Finland.
• Added a realistic lake Vygozero.
• Added a buildable canal connecting the Baltic and White Seas.
• Added the following province pictures: Arkhangelsk, Azores.
• Overhauled Anatolia with several new provinces and regions.
• Added a decision to annex California or Alta California diplomatically.
• Reworked the Greater Georgia and Armenia decisions
• Added gypsy pops to Armenia, Georgia and turkroachistan.
• Added impassable crossings all over the Caucasus.
• Added ‘developing academia’ tech-type to the ottomans and Caucasian principalities.


0cdf62  No.16112843

File: 0421f67a51d49a5⋯.jpg (32.3 KB, 480x639, 160:213, Bolivar y su lucha contra ….jpg)

>>16112833

Neat, thanks.


ac86d3  No.16112972

>>16112833 (checked)

did you ever add those fixed provinces to anatolia that make it more similar to the megali idea and those fixes to the meuse?


750b26  No.16112988

>>16112972

Yeah, but in the end I remade them to look more like the roach vilayets from the 1860's with Megali-friendly borders.


ac86d3  No.16112997

>>16112988 (checked)

alright, what about the meuse? I swear some anon posted a map with fixes to the meuse some threads ago


750b26  No.16113004

>>16112997

I think the HFM guys fixed that one.


48e7a8  No.16113183

>>16102289

>>16099658

Is there anything interesting you can do or form in B&I?


8a2985  No.16113356

Any of you actually play HOI4?


07ed93  No.16113375

>>16113356

No. Go watch youtube meme videos or something.


66e344  No.16113384

>>16113356

I played it a fair bit, but the AI is just too braindead and the base mechanics are fucked.


750b26  No.16113396

>>16111593

So, does anyone actually own a paradox account? I just wanna play CK2 with CK2plus on my free day.


8a2985  No.16113399

>>16113375

Wew

>>16113384

Found the base mechanics to be fine, my only complaints are how fucking retarded ally AI can be. You can attack the enemy with you ally on the same tile and they will just sit there as your unit wittles away. Not to mention drawing offensive lines is clunky as hell. Also a huge pain to do naval invasions, don't remember how they where in HOI3.


ac5c64  No.16113490

>>16113396

Here's a link to an installer for 2.8.3, but it seems to work with 2.8.1:

https://mega.nz/#!KIBwSa6Y!MaXjf2KFqoEE_Ss59oSZEdFHrdk9Q_KKc3ZI11rrDsk


750b26  No.16113500

>>16113490

Thanks anon, is there a problem with 2.8.3? I see HIP is also for 2.8.1. I haven't played CK2 in ages (ever since JD came out)


ac5c64  No.16113515

>>16113500

Don't think anything's wrong with 2.8.3, I just never found hotfixes past 2.8.1 for a pirated version whenever I grabbed 2.8, so I played on that version with mods. HIP worked despite being for 2.8.3 as well, so CK2+ is probably fine.


54462c  No.16113522

>>16113490

>>16113500

Have either of you guys seen a link to WTWSMS mod for CK2 for 2.8.0? I don't feel like going to all the trouble to find another crack of an updated ck2 just to play the expanded late antiquity mod


750b26  No.16113529

>>16113515

Alright, thanks dude. btw >>>/sengoku/1 has all the stuff for CK2's patches, 2.8.3 included.

Might also update Anon's HIP edits as well.


b8395e  No.16113556

>>16111564

Around 80% of the US-lend-lease arrived through the port in Vladivostok, significantly smaller portion through port in Murmansk and other routes. Look it up and you quickly see why Germany failing to communicate with Japan properly was major fuck up since despite their limited capabilities for assistance taking or at least blockading Vladivostok would have been relatively easy for Imperial Japan.

>>16111586

You are correct in saying that lack of resources drove Japan to attack Western colonies & US as per Nanshin-ron, but you forget that the key factor behind the attack was the US trade embargo which was only implemented after Japan took control of French Indochina. While Japan's position via resources was bad, until US stopped the oil trade there was no pressing need to invade colonies. If Germans had played the diplomacy game better & had Japan attack USSR during Barbarossa it can be argued that it would have been able to hang on depending on how its trade partners such as US & Dutch in control of Indonesian oil would have reacted. Given the hostility of the US leadership against Japan over the perceived rivalry over Pacific I would give Japan 40% odds of retaining their resource trade. Even in the fucked up case they would have likely managed to hang on since war with USSR would not have required the costly naval operations to the extent that Pacific War against US did. Take note that USSR would have been in no position to send troops to Asian front beyond the forces already stationed there. With Japan being able to at least deny US aid from arriving via Far East Asia despite the flaws of their ground forces Germany would have collapsed USSR pretty damn quickly.


750b26  No.16113560

>>16113522

Yeah it's on the steam workshop, for 2.8.3 You gotta use the steam downloader if you're a filthy pirate like me tho. Or do you just want it for 2.8.0?


54462c  No.16113567

>>16113560

Fug, either or. I can't seem to find an activator for DLC nor 2.8.3 download. I also cannont find the old download for 2.8.0 WTWSMS


750b26  No.16113573

>>16113567

Don't cs.rin.ru have all that stuff?


ac5c64  No.16113579

>>16113522

I happen to have the master file I used to install it for 8.1, but it may work with 8.0:

https://mega.nz/#!WbADSaDL!qLfMypbWsIKcLawMeM5OUoWc2SqAwNN2s1-fwKz78Bg

The mod is also on GitHub, but that's probably too new:

https://github.com/loup99/WtWSMS

>>16113529

I might just be retarded, but I never figured out how to decode/use the text in that post. Tried using them as Mega links, and I didn't bother with trying to figure out if they were just a letter-by-litter cipher.


750b26  No.16113585

>>16113579

>I might just be retarded, but I never figured out how to decode/use the text in that post. Tried using them as Mega links, and I didn't bother with trying to figure out if they were just a letter-by-litter cipher.

I have no idea either, I've always used the cs.rin.ru links instead of that. I thought they were magnet links, but they aren't.


54462c  No.16113613

>>16113579

This is exactly what I needed , what is it you desire I must repay you


f6b6ee  No.16113616

>>16100933

>1800s/Victorian Age grand strategy or tactical game

>America turns into a fucking patchwork

>Europe has megastates straight out of AU mods

>No one bothers finishing the colonization of Africa or Asia

Why does this happen all the time? Is there any /gsg/ that lets me roleplay as the West Indies Company or other unscrupulous corps?


750b26  No.16113634

>>16113579

Got any links to pre-JD CPRplus?


ac5c64  No.16113649

>>16113613

Do you have the gif/webm of Serval-chan standing akimbo and rocking side-to-side as Kaban looks down, turns back to Serval, and back to looking down? Meant to save that before, but didn't.

>>16113634

There's this link to a version that should be for 2.7.something:

http://www.mediafire.com/file/28j20751e97rb4n/CK2Plus4063a.zip

I'm just nigging these CK2+ files off of plebbit since that's the first thing that came up looking for CK2+ download links, as I didn't play with CK2+. Having to pirate mods from:

r/modpiracy/comments/8thyfn/ck2/


750b26  No.16113666

>>16113649

Alright thanks, I'll try looking there.


750b26  No.16113678

>>16113666

For anyone looking for the CK2plus - CPRplus compatch:

http://www.mediafire.com/file/q3m8373mqb3s1pw/CPRplus+.zip


48e7a8  No.16113708

>>16113616

Yeah, I'm with you there. Independent African colonies are tragically underrepresented in V2, white or otherwise. There should at least be an option to civilize them at a reasonable time.

As for your latter question, there is "companymod" somewhere. I think the dev comes by here once in a while.


54462c  No.16113746

File: b3fa8c8cef11d9c⋯.webm (5.06 MB, 496x360, 62:45, Da que Deus mamou by Aran….webm)

>>16113649

I don't have that, but I will dedicate my next GET to ID: "the Anon: ac5c64"


b90dc6  No.16113980

>>16113616

You can play as the East India Company in Anon-HFM edits. The West India Company was absorbed in the late 18th century.


f50fbf  No.16116291

Does anobody have WtWSMS for 3.0.1?


1d62e9  No.16116486

>>16113556

While the US embargo was devastating to Japan oil reserves, they were rapidly running out of other resources as well. They hadn't expected the war in China to take this long. Even had they retained the trade channels open (which is dubious given Roosevelt's stance), it wouldn't have solved their problems, only alleviated them. That is besides the point, however, as we are talking 1941 – a time when Japan is fully invested all over China and in dire need of resources. They couldn't just go and attack USSR, not without basically abandoning their gains in China (which wouldn't go well with the public, or anyone, really.) While USSR did move most of its forces west, it only did so after learning that Japan would not attack them - they would have kept their troops there and Japan would need to actually fend them off from invading Manchuria, else Japan would lose all of the mainland, meaning Japan definitely would need to move its forces out of China. All the while low on resources and running out of time fast. It was simply a scenario they couldn't win – perhaps it would lead to Germany to winning the war against USSR, but it would sure as shit lose the war for Japan, and there's no way Germany would go all around the world to fight Japan's wars for it. That's why Japan didn't go through with the northern road and instead chose a desperate plan that, however, did hold a small possibility of success – acquire resources from colonies with which to prolong its fighting capabilities in China, which they would hopefully manage to wrap up quickly. That, however, did not happen and while the acquisition of colonies did alleviate the resource pains considerably, it also put further requirements on Japanese manpower as more fronts opened (In Burma, for example). Japan likely hoped that Hitler would kill USSR on his own (and it did look that way at the end of 1941) and then mop up brits and negotiate peace with USA. And, honestly, it's not even that bad a plan and it likely would have worked, had USSR not managed to unexpectedly push germans back. In the end, Japan lost WW2 because of exactly two wrong assessments:

1. They would be able to defeat china by 1941

2. Hitler would defeat USSR without Japanese help


ecb17e  No.16116531

>>16116517

>>>/leftypol/

Kill yourself.


686b5d  No.16116631

>>16116486

Maybe defeat the Republic of China, but defeat the walrords and communists, they already had some manpower restraints in the chinese front before the Russian invasion of Manchuria thanks to the need of garrison of invaded pacific islands and western colonies (this happened after the sanctions imposed thanks to the bloody saturday scandal), also problems whit their military maritime focus, the usage of armour would have been of great help in mainland china, but still all the inland supply lines after when the japanese took Nankin and were fighing in the mainland were treatened by partisan activity, the second sino-japanese war was a mess.


7d5be7  No.16116651

>>16116486

>>16116631

Please stay focused on vidya


1d62e9  No.16116680

>>16116651

>stop talking about history!

>in grand strategy games

Please stay focused on sucking cock and fuck off.

>>16116631

warlords and commies didn't have much in the way of military. Commies mostly involved themselves with partisans, warlords mostly moved their troops under Nat. China command.


b8395e  No.16116930

>>16116486

I agree with you about Japan being in a "damned if you do, damned if you don't"-situation in 1941. However I believe you overestimate the USSR's capabilities while underselling Nips a tad. Were the Nips in position for large-scale invasion of Far East Russia? Obviously not. But I would argue that they had enough to hold on until Nazis would wreck the Soviets while taking easier coastal targets likely Vladivostok or at least preventing foreign aid from going through it.

You are right in saying that Germans would not have been willing or able to help much even with USSR defeated, but at that point US & Allied leaderships would have been forced to reconsider their stances. Do remember that Chinese would have faced their own difficulties the further they pushed Japanese back while reducing the strain on Nip logistics. Japan's entry into war would have likely forced them to cede ground back to Chinese initially, but they would have still been able to hold on to the coastal regions where most of China's industry was located aside from those that were hastily evacuated to Chongqing. Nips certainly could not win against Chinamen, but they could certainly stalemate them. In that situation I would see eventual uneasy ceasefire and China split between United Front and Japanese. Both of those would be unstable as fuck with republicans, communists, warlords and god knows what else on one side while Japanese portion of China would have been equally fucked with Manchurian experiment & puppet Chinese government having their strings pulled by competing Japanese factions inside the mess that was Great East Asian Co-Prosperity Sphere.

tl;dr: there's no guarantee that Japan deciding to adapt the Hokushinron instead of Nanshinron would have been force option like you insist, though given Imperial Japan's ability to shoot themselves in the foot I understand your doubts


e53991  No.16118020


e53991  No.16118144

>>16116486

Dude. You need to stop thinking of the war in China as a traditional "War against China". It was not so. It was communist chinese agitating Japanese forces on the fringes of their sphere of control. The Japanese were not at war against China, which is why it "took longer than expected". The Japanese never wanted to invade China but were forced to keep Chinese agitation at bay while they frantically tried several options for peace. The problem was there was no central authority who could sign something like a peace treaty because China was in the middle of a civil war and the commies would not stop their shit after they forced the nationalist Chinese into a "unified front" against "Japanese aggression" and rape propaganda was very useful for this.

It was always referred to as "problems in China" or something along those lines, not "the war against China" and only later did it become known as The 2nd Japan-Sino War.

What Japan wanted most throughout WWII was peace, same as Hitler, but due to the unique position of the Tennou as a representation of the spirit of Japan rather than a sovereign ruler meant the factionalized military junta, Prime Minister, and Foreign Minister could never see eye to eye on how to achieve peace, drawing things out further. Politics were a mess in Japan at the time, which is the primary reason for them losing a war they never wanted. The 2-26 incident and the Kodoha were trying to remedy the situation before it began so they could Hokushin-ron in peace, but Japan never got in control of it's political situation.


1d62e9  No.16118275

>>16116930

>But I would argue that they had enough to hold on until Nazis would wreck the Soviets while taking easier coastal targets likely Vladivostok or at least preventing foreign aid from going through it.

Probably so, but at the cost of needing to divert large amounts of resources and manpower to the northern front, with no resource acquisition in sight. It's not that they couldn't take Valdivostok – they certainly could, even with increased soviet presence – but it wouldn't get them the resources they so desperately needed, while taking resources from the Chinese theatre, where they were already suffering shortages. It's not that the Japanse didn't recognise their strategic opportunities and capabilities, it's that defeating USSR was a much lower priority when compared to defeating China. Imagine for a moment that Japanese never went through with Pearl Harbour and instead got Vladivostok – it wouldn't solve their resource issues one bit and it'd just get taken by China as it pushed the out-of-resources Japan out of the mainland. Hitler winning the war against USSR and taking out allies only became relevant to the Japanese AFTER they seized the colonies which would resolve their resource issues.

>Do remember that Chinese would have faced their own difficulties the further they pushed Japanese back while reducing the strain on Nip logistics.

It would reduce the strain on transportation, but that would be of little solace to the Japanese when they would have nothing left to transport. Again, Japan went through the whole war in China by burning through the resource reserves they amassed during peacetime – after they ran out, that would be it. Japan couldn't continue the war effort, no matter how good its strategic position would be. The solution to this problem were supposed to be the colonies, but to get those, Japan would need to declare war on Allies, and that requires the southern road, not the northern road.


92a168  No.16119224

Please buy Imperator

t. Johan


51b479  No.16121151

File: 8562cbc36c7f261⋯.webm (1.75 MB, 320x240, 4:3, Fat Kid DDR.webm)

>>16119224

EU4 is the superior experience.


1d62e9  No.16123401

>>16119224

You should all buy Imperator while he's asking nicely. It'll be too late for you when you're sitting in jail for child molestation charges due to pirating Paradox games.


d86cd6  No.16124028

>>16100933

de jure af


8e2c5d  No.16125316

https://www.please use archive.is/platform/amp/2019/2/14/18224986/hearts-of-iron-4-dlc-man-the-guns-confederacy

https://web.archive.org/web/20190214203220/https://www.please use archive.is/platform/amp/2019/2/14/18224986/hearts-of-iron-4-dlc-man-the-guns-confederacy

>hearts of Iron 4 is one of the most complex games I’ve ever played


230f54  No.16130188

File: ee8ef0887d7c4ef⋯.png (2.63 MB, 1920x1080, 16:9, 203770_20190216225136_1.png)

>start in 1311

>this happens

ebin, simply ebin


f4370f  No.16130213

>>16130188

Try r/crusaderkings


315f58  No.16130380

>tfw no CK2 mods are updated for Holy Fury

It's been fucking months already, what's taking everyone so long?


d22bd2  No.16130394

>>16130380

people are trying to figure out how to unfuck a shitty dlc


b4ad8e  No.16132216

How do you win against a numerically superior enemy in darkest hour?

t. new


230f54  No.16132338

>>16130380

HIP, Winter King, AGoT, that Japanese mod, Elder Kings and Middle Earth mod are already updated. Warhammer mod is allegedly also updated but isn't released yet. The only mods which aren't working with HF are CK2+ and WtWSM.


315f58  No.16132380

>>16132338

The fuck? Only AGoT, Middle Earth, and Winter king are, the rest clearly states it's for Jade dragon. What are you talking about?


d22bd2  No.16132402

>>16132380

HIP just updated for holy fury, right when I updated anon's HIP edits for 2.8.3.3


f6b6ee  No.16132406

>>16132216

E N C I R C L E


315f58  No.16132639

>>16132216

utilise terrain (mountains especially) for defense and encircle for offense. For proper encircling tactics, you need to go fast, meaning you should have some motorised brigades tactically placed to do the encircling or even utilise airborne assaults (those need a lot of tech and IC to unlock and build, though, so they're more of a luxury option). If you plan to play defensive (for example wait for someone else to beat the asshole attacking you), you generally do not want to waste time with land fortifications as they take forever to build, cost a lot, and only become wothwhile on level 5 and higher. Only exception would be if there's a particular bottleneck they could be used in or if you have no manpower with which to build troops – then the forts would be viable.

In case you are attacking USSR with Germany, you absolutely must go fast and and encircle as much as possible, defense be damned. Soviets are using ALL of their IC to shit out infantry divisions, have basically infinite manpower, and you WILL get overwhelmed if you allow the war to go on for too long. If you're invading China with Japan, you can use a more relaxed pace and just gradually take province by province – chink troops are too shit to actually counterattack as long as you put about 9 INF in a province and they have very low IC, meaning you should out-produce them. A good tactic is to grab all of their IC and laugh as they're left unable to produce any supplies. Just make sure you don't run out of resources.


b4ad8e  No.16132823

>>16132639

What if I am France and the enemy on my doorstep is superior in manpower while not having Soviet-tier basic infantry?

Also, are anti aircraft guns worth building in provinces with factories? Or are these as useless as all other forms of fortification?


315f58  No.16133049

>>16132823

Air combat in general is a massive waste of time and you can just ignore it entirely. Besides, allied air units from Britain will probably hold off the Luftwaffe on their own.

>What if I am France

Damn, I actually never tried playing as France. From my experience, though, the moment France loses Lille, it all goes downhill from there, so try holding that at all costs. Prefferably, try bogging Germany down in Belgium if you can. You just need to hold out long enough for Germany and USSR to go to war.


87505e  No.16133107

File: bcfc04d118b6bee⋯.png (2.66 MB, 1920x1080, 16:9, EU3_9.png)

File: a6626ee5f995972⋯.png (3.11 MB, 1920x1080, 16:9, EU3_10.png)

File: 2a5fad36d18ecdd⋯.png (2.67 MB, 1920x1080, 16:9, EU3_11.png)

File: 3725de85f1f07b6⋯.png (296.66 KB, 5616x2160, 13:5, EU3_MAP_FAN_1732.1.2_1.png)

File: 6a867df281f8ab5⋯.png (1012 KB, 607x1200, 607:1200, 1545030943377-0.png)


230f54  No.16133615

>>16132380

HIP got updated few days ago. >>16130188 is HIP for Holy Fury. They finally fixed the plague. Elder Kings mod is updated for HF but you need TortoiseSVN to download it.


b013e4  No.16133692

>>16116538

>uses reddit spacing

>tells someone to go back to reddit

Imagine being this stupid


6e333f  No.16134006

>>16133992

>vic2 without dlcs

eww


686b5d  No.16134401

>>16133107

>Play EU3 whit MEIOU

>unifiy China as Ming

>it's just dealing whit the temple, eunuch and beurocrat factions until the end game

>still the most rich and advanced nation in the world

i just want an strategy game whit china.


faf673  No.16135001

>>16133992

>blobs into france

>blobs into britain

>blobs into russia

>doesn't link up that bottom french earlier to form a ring around swiss

>worse yet, doesn't take switzerland

>doesnt take holland

>doesnt take latvia

>doesnt take estiona

>forms with austria but doesnt serbia or bosnia

>blobs past carpathians

>doesnt take black sea port

>doesnt take crimea

>blobs into italy

>screenshot is cropped because he's most likely still on zero infamy because of cheat


213e6d  No.16136112

This is the ideal Großgermania borders

pic related


f4370f  No.16136142

>>16121151

I'm deeply saddened that despite the well deserved hate for paradox no one decided to laugh at the layers upon of layers of fat on the often dancing lead developer of eu4. Truly, the barbarians have taken over.


6b94e6  No.16136859

File: c751acc0ce51a76⋯.jpg (39.64 KB, 700x700, 1:1, 1e3f_crusader_kings_2_logo….jpg)

Ck2 multiplayer game about to start, join while you still have the chance.

ID: 90123650082497544

No password needed.

Be there or be square.


74ec7f  No.16136972

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.

>>16136859

>it's not hip to be square


d0c8a6  No.16137005

>>16134401

Either that was removed in D&T or it's specific to the Ming.

I started out during the Yuan rebellion. Not very challenging as there are several rebel states, but it means that the map will always look different once the Yuan are out of the picture. Then it's just the classic EU3 game of allying with B to take down A, then with C to take down B until you're the only dynasty left. It's a lot more fun than starting as unified China.

I could have stopped after I colonized America, but in D&T unified Japan is more or less as strong as China. After a first unconclusive victory, I built a large fleet for the specific purpose of defeating the Japs. The screenshots are after the second war, where I destroyed their entire fleet (the AI is still stupid) and took their overseas possession. 30 years later and they've already gotten a hundred ships. Also, I made them convert to the Chinese religion just to fuck with them.


6b94e6  No.16137363

>>16136859

offer is up again, you have 5 minutes from when this is posted


6b94e6  No.16137397

>>16137363

actually, more than that, I'll tell you when the offer becomes unavailable


612372  No.16137413

>>16137397

CK2 is preddy shid though


6b94e6  No.16137982

>>16137869

>>16137413

t. vicky pro


1d62e9  No.16138101

>>16137982

But Vicky 2 is superior to CK2 you fag


148f8e  No.16138224

>>16112833

is this out or still in the works?


36e355  No.16139750

>>16137869

>Doesn't know how to avoid being cucked.

What a casual.


d1a3d2  No.16140633

>>16113708

>companymod

If there is interest I can release an updated and improved version of the original 3, but I haven't finished the new companies yet.


d454e9  No.16140741

>>16133992

>hating Germany

You seem like a miserable cunt tbh mate.


976766  No.16141222

>>16113556

Japan let the US convoy through their waters for no reason? or was it because the shipping was done by the soviets? i mean it just seems ridiculous to me, even without communication with germany japan shouldn't let an enemy nation do whatever they want in their territorial waters.

What the fuck japan?


f65639  No.16141226

>>16137982

I've actually never played Vicky. Still think CK2 is shit.


d22bd2  No.16141231

>>16138224

It's on hold, I'm taking a break due to wagecuck and exhaustion from modding the game for 1yr+ nonstop.


bd7386  No.16141446

File: a18e10929c51c74⋯.jpg (111.82 KB, 1200x675, 16:9, Cu_y7LNWgAEXlBA.jpg)

>>16141416


f5001d  No.16143902

File: 079ad0e0fbac1c1⋯.jpg (338.43 KB, 2048x1450, 1024:725, J2fB1ab.jpg)

>>16141222

It was pretty far north and American ships would often just fly the Soviet flag


78213c  No.16143940

>>16141222

japs just didnt have the reach nigger


976766  No.16144776

File: d86f52f78688507⋯.png (1.3 MB, 953x600, 953:600, ClipboardImage.png)

>>16143940

>>16143902

>japs just didnt have the reach nigger

Nonsense, they conducted operations even in the indian ocean, yet somehow they couldn't keep some ships in the spae between Sakhalin and Hokkaido? they also controlled the kuril islands at the time, i mean, it would've been extremely easy for the to blockade the soviets had they wanted to, i can only assume they didn't want to anger the soviets, but still, seems bizarre to me.

Imagine being an american sailor passing through japanese waters like whatever on your way to vladivostok yet knowing there's a serious war and serious battles to take control of japanese waters down south.


6e333f  No.16145048

>>16144776

>i can only assume they didn't want to anger the soviets, but still, seems bizarre to me.

yes, that was it. they were already fighting a long war in china at the time, and didn't want to involve themselves in another huge land conflict. in addition, shipping to vladivostok was handled entirely by soviets and didn't include equipment or ammunition, it was just food and other non-military goods so japan couldn't have interfered with it on the basis that shipping weapons through their waters violated their neutrality.


36e355  No.16147735

>>16144776

Skirmishes along the Soviet-Japanese border made it clear that the Soviet army quality was way above Japan and they'd absolutely crush Japan. Which is exactly what happened when the Soviet army did actually invade.


976766  No.16148385

>>16147735

>Soviet army quality was way above Japan and they'd absolutely crush Japan

That's bullshit

>Which is exactly what happened when the Soviet army did actually invade.

Like 7 years after the "skirmishes" when the kwantung army was a shadow of its former self, even so the japs gave a decent defense in some cases


e4dbdc  No.16148605

>>16136112

Is this a metajoke implying that Großgermania shouldn't exist?


540019  No.16148634

File: 193eb6bd907806f⋯.png (176.02 KB, 438x462, 73:77, shit_akko,_you've_only_got….png)

>>16147735

>soviet army

>quality


03b8ce  No.16148651

>>16148634

Lol you what? Quantity is quality


03b8ce  No.16148668

>>16148654

You can't hold it in, do you? You seem to just have that intense urge to project your faggotry, and nothing helps but fantasizing about your gay shit. I'm sorry, I can't relate, but I hope that your death from prostate cancer won't be too painful.


dd7c26  No.16148676

>>16144776

>yet somehow they couldn't keep some ships in the spae between Sakhalin and Hokkaido?

The issue is that Japan and the Soviet Union had a non-aggression treaty that Japan was very keen on keeping, so as to not anger the Soviets they let the land-lease pass through.


03b8ce  No.16148717

>>16148710

At least I tried to have fun with my retarded posts.


b15ebe  No.16148774

File: a4fd2eef8ce7a34⋯.jpg (469.03 KB, 1146x935, 1146:935, reconquista.jpg)

>wife confesses cheating, the baby gets bastard trait and a new dynasty, but still considered a full child of both parents and gets to inherit before dynastic relatives

At least it wasn't some gfx_culture mande spawn, but still not keen on taking full responsibility of my wife's son. I think I'm done with this mess of a DLC altogether


00d459  No.16149030

Anyone still got that picture explaining some of the mechanics of EU3?I wanna get into the game but i'm small brain


e6f713  No.16149039

>>16148651

>>16147735

This is how brain damaged communists actually are. This is what they actually believe.


6e333f  No.16149511

Does anyone know what do I need to annex a 4-state unciv in HPM? I researched Nat&Imp but it still won't let me fabricate Establish Protectorate on them. It's Korea btw


f5001d  No.16150670

File: 748652aa4912cd5⋯.jpg (146.05 KB, 1412x851, 1412:851, soviet swagger.jpg)

>>16148634

>>16149039

>le slav human wave meme

Enemy at the Gates is not a documentary


641640  No.16150772

>>16149511

They changed the way that conquering un civ countries work, you now need Nat&Imp plus machine guns and check the population, the long explanation is in the mod page.

https://www.moddb.com/mods/historical-project-mod


000000  No.16151833

I think HPM is broken. Several of my factories have been sitting at their maximum capacity for years because they couldn't buy enough iron to upgrade, even though when I go into the "Projects" tab, my capitalists have no problems collecting enough of it for clipper shipyards and whatnot. A shame because I really had a lot of fun with the way they implemented Meiji restoration and other flavor events for Japan.


f6b6ee  No.16151847

>>16150670

>>16148634

Actually the Soviet had a pretty good army since they had weapons contracts to develop German tanks prior to the war & they made pretty reliable and easier-to-make weaponry compared to the much flashier and effective but ultimately difficult to produce German ones. The difference here is that Soviet leadership is an utter joke, they got gutted by the Finns because their generals wanted to impress the Soviet high command by pulling off a russian blitzkrieg so that Germany would shake in das boots but uh oh they forgot to issue proper camouflage and create a proper supply line so they flunked over and over again. The human wave meme comes from the fact the Germans were so good at pocketing the enemy that they would routinely get thousands of POWs without even trying, literally the only country that ever did human wave tactics to memetic standards are the Chinks, in fact I suspect that in a future war they're just going to try to send as many conscripts at the enemy as possible, in typical bugman fashion.


1d62e9  No.16152029

>>16151847

>Soviet leadership is an utter joke

Yeah, especially after the purges, but even the leadership got its shit together later in the war.


37a392  No.16152094

>>16150670

>trannypol leaves it's containment board again

stay in your shiboard, nobody wants you here


56aeb2  No.16152096

>>16150670

I like how the pictured soldiers are a mongolian and some sort of turkish mongrel since the actual Russians were all dead having been used as meat shields by hateful bolsheviks.

>>16151833

Iron shortages have been a problem in V2 for ages tbh.


540019  No.16152104

>>16150670

>guaranteedreplies.exe

>shit training

>individual bravery based on part "well SOME of them have hearts true to the motherland!" and part "shit ill get shot by the commissar if i don't advance"

>Tanks that doesn't even work in a flat field is somehow supposed to work in China

>>16151847

>contracts

>the ONLY good, reliable thing on the T34 was the Krupp gun, followed perhaps by the MG that they used to sight said gun given their lack of decent gunsights.

Otherwise agreeable, but granted decent artillery, certain other pieces of equipment, there is hardly much "quality" to be found.


bc4072  No.16152450

>>16152096

Turkics are actually decent people, except the Khazars they can get fucked for embracing kikery


bc4072  No.16152463

HookTube embed. Click on thumbnail to play.

anyone enjoy Revolution Under Siege or any turn based grand strategy games? they're not bad but the loading of turns is annoying af. I tend to prefer real time Grand Strategy


6931fb  No.16154319

>>16151833

HPM is getting worse with every update thanks to the modder's autism.

>Meiji restoration and other flavor events for Japan

Those arent a HPM exclusive thing, they are in every NNM based mod.


e57b61  No.16154345

>>16152450

>Turkics are actually decent people

Fuck outta here roach


315f58  No.16154365

File: 7ecc762abefaabb⋯.png (10.94 KB, 572x132, 13:3, ClipboardImage.png)

>decide to give CK2 a spin

>"huh, I've never tried playing merchant republic before, let's try it"

>everything is cool, then succession

>keep all titles except doge, that's fine, but all their succession laws suddenly become open elective and heir is some random courtier (a fucking lowborn at that)

>try killing my dude via console commands

>random courtier inherits all titles… and becomes the fucking player character

>decide to look at paracocks forums for answers

>only find pic related

>paragoys explain that merchant republics were extremely buggy since release and parakikes never bothered fixing them

>"if you quit to desktop every half an hour and reload, you will almost certainly avoid any bugs since it'll force all the flags and triggers to recheck :^)"

I knew they're fucking incompetent, but this is something else. Holy shit, they're wasting time adding fucking bear memes instead of fixing six years old bugs


56aeb2  No.16154504

>>16154365

Why would they put effort in? They have no competitors.


e12a63  No.16156688

>>16154504

this basically, if even a proper indie dev would get in the market they have to start to stop the kike dlc and pull thier shit together….. i really wish that new polish dev that made "not EU4" recently will get some revenue and will start being a full time dev


1fc36b  No.16156703

so guys, what about rome imperator? any toughts or ideas, opinions on it? i personally kind of liek it but i won't get it because greek flavour has already been locked before pre orders


315f58  No.16156730

>>16156703

>civilization-tier pops

>mana everywhere

>can already tell there will be even less flavour than in EU4 or CK2

>map so large it's practically guaranteed to have abysmal performance even on good machines

You and I both know it's going to be shit. We can only hope some total conversion mod will unfuck it at the low, low cost of tanking the laready bad performance so bad you'll need to get a 10$ CPU to play it on medium speed


315f58  No.16156733

>>16156730

>10$ CPU

meant $10k CPU, fugg :DDD


ba02e9  No.16156770

>>16156703

All I wanna know is the amount of KANGZ in the game. I suspect it will be pretty high. They also said that there are no historical records of Germania for the start of the game (Which is true, fair enough) so I'm sure they sprinkled in some stronk fymale rulers in the region. At least I wouldn't be fucking surprised.


ba02e9  No.16156773


315f58  No.16156784

>>16156773

that's pretty good for that price. But it couldn't run modern parashit at a decent performance. Just consider how many people needed to remove India from vanilla CK2. Or, hell, imagine MEIOU, but on a much bigger map


315f58  No.16156788

>>16156770

Yeah, they said they just made up tribes when they didn't know what was there at the time, and a part of me wants to be mad at them for it, but truth is it's probably the best way to handle it. We know it wasn't just an uninhabitated wasteland, so just placing some random tribes there is probably the optimal solution


5dd5f9  No.16157595

File: 53822e6591708c4⋯.jpg (594.28 KB, 1920x1080, 16:9, 20190223183909_1.jpg)

File: d02435c83cefb01⋯.jpg (550.17 KB, 1920x1080, 16:9, 20190223184128_1.jpg)

Any suggestions for perfect Russian borders I should aim for? Also is Religious ideas shit even for Russia now?


6e333f  No.16157660

>>16157595

Everything east of the Elbe to reverse the Germanization of Western Slavs. The entirety of Balkans and Anatolia because Third Rome. You might wanna go even further south to capture the Holy Land. All of Caucasus because it was Russian historically and to solidify Black Sea as your Mare Nostrum. Probably also Hungary, for no real reason other than to connect the western and southern expansion routes and make your borders look prettier.




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