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File: 6f81aacc01ca9d5⋯.png (44.5 KB, 1024x768, 4:3, scrlbb.png)

File: 3809ed9c48e8ff9⋯.pdf (47.79 KB, Loot-Box-Bill-Text.pdf)

8a387f  No.16505641

http://archive.li/Dr5Ab

http://archive.today/2019.05.24-142301/https://www.please use archive.is/2019/5/23/18637556/anti-loot-box-bill-microtransaction-ban-legal-analysis-esa

Attached is a copy of the bill.

Discuss.

e7ec22  No.16505645

File: 0cc0f7af5a01b24⋯.png (70.8 KB, 1110x1124, 555:562, D6Gi9aqWkAAuygp.png)

>>16505641

Government interference with video games is never good.


132784  No.16505657

Is there a definition of pay to win in existing US law? I don't see one in the bill.


b17164  No.16505659

>>16505657

The Bill's definition of the term begins on page 7


e17373  No.16505664

>>16505641

Read the article dipshit, second paragraph

>An add-on transaction to a interactive digital entertainment product that […] eases a user’s progression through content otherwise available within the game without the purchase of such transaction; assists a user in accomplishing an achievement within the game that can otherwise be accomplished without the purchase of such transaction; assists a user in receiving an award associated with the game that is otherwise available in association with the game without the purchase of such transaction; or permits a user to continue to access content of the game that had previously been accessible to the user but has been made inaccessible after the expiration of a timer or a number of gameplay attempts; or with respect to an interactive digital entertainment product that, from the perspective of a reasonable user of the product, is a game featuring competition with other users, provides a user with a competitive advantage with respect to the game’s competitive aspects over users who do not make such a transaction.


1829c9  No.16505669

>>16505664

That last bits interesting considering companies like Bungie just announced their next 'season' of lootboxes will include "greatest hits" of past seasons items.


72feb6  No.16505671

File: 032a046dc3f4439⋯.jpg (131.76 KB, 960x940, 48:47, 1a9Sq4iqG8I9QmCKXnsNXbvGb0….jpg)

>>16505645

The mere threat of government regulation forced self-regulation in the 90s when it came to "violent video games". If AAA doesn't want to self-regulate now because of how much money they lose, then they should probably start lubing up for a reaming.


132784  No.16505672

File: a5e161ea6fd810b⋯.gif (2.36 MB, 420x428, 105:107, embarrasedface.gif)


fe6f79  No.16505675

>>16505645

Female movie sonic gets my dick interested.


d345f6  No.16505679

File: 56e46234872e082⋯.gif (333.3 KB, 480x204, 40:17, ClipboardImage.gif)

>>16505645

Corporate jewry is never good either, you poofter.


db0911  No.16505688

>>16505645

>t. corporate suit


e120e0  No.16505698

>>16505664

That's pretty reasonable, and puts an end to all the shitty microtransactions in vidya. I'm always wary of gubmint interference with vidya, but corporate assfucking is hardly an improvement.

That being said, they'll just find loopholes to still fuck their consumers. At the very least, it'll ward any retarded indie developers from trying the same shit


93c178  No.16505699

File: bb9bfe41ffb0878⋯.png (156.62 KB, 500x651, 500:651, jojo.png)

>>16505664

>>16505669

>>16505672

For anyone else to retarded to click a link. Lootbox definition is

>An add-on transaction […] that in a randomized or partially randomized fashion unlocks a feature of the product; adds to or enhances the entertainment value of the product; or allows the user to make 1 or more additional add-on transactions that the user could not have made without making the first add-on transaction; and the content of which is unknown to the user until after the user has made the first add-on transaction.

Please note that this is mostly about stopping children from gambling. Adults under this bill can continue being retarded. If I understand it correctly companies must now choose between having games be targeted at children or having adult games with lootbox. And by adult I mean literally AO since M covers 17 year olds.


c99747  No.16505702

>>16505645

speak for yourself rat


e120e0  No.16505708

>>16505699

I'm still okay with this. It puts a MASSIVE dent in companies like nexon, who have outright destroyed properties through their gacha bullshit. RIP in peaces Mabinogi


4864b8  No.16505711

>>16505699

Not necessarily AO. The ESRB determines whether or not a game is AO, and the ESRB isn't a part of the government. The bill doesn't mention the ESRB or AO at all, but does say what factors will be used to determine if a game is targeted at 18+. See Section 2(5).


4864b8  No.16505713

Also: the bill was introduced as S.1629. You can track it here:

https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-congress/senate-bill/1629

(sage for double post)


8a387f  No.16505726

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fb2207  No.16505728

>>16505645

>just let corporations do whatever they want, this is freedom after all


8a387f  No.16505729

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8a387f  No.16505731

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8a387f  No.16505734

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8dc6ee  No.16505735

Gonna love to see how the shills try and spin this. Keep an eye on how often they try to force the conversation away from Tencent as well.


d345f6  No.16505740

File: aa2778f4ffdab95⋯.png (456 KB, 960x540, 16:9, ClipboardImage.png)

>>16505699

that's fine by me.


4864b8  No.16505741

>>16505726

>>16505729

>>16505731

>>16505734

OP literally uploaded the pdf. Why do we need a jpeg version?


000000  No.16505746

>>16505679

>shitty twitter gif

dumb nigger


8a387f  No.16505748

>>16505741

OP here I don't know why OP posted the PDF and then the images but I think it's because some anon has already demonstrated the inability to click links or PDFs


93c178  No.16505750

>>16505748

We have IDs here nigger


72feb6  No.16505753

>>16505750

>OP here I don't know why OP posted

His problem is that he's speaking in the third person, not that he's trying to deceive you


8a387f  No.16505754

>>16505750

That's the joke


4864b8  No.16505756

>>16505748

Fair enough, but that same anon will just demonstrate the inability to make images bigger or maybe even read, so it's probably pointless.


efeb48  No.16505758

>>16505645

I'm sure it'll just end up like the last time something came up in the government to regulate entertainment: the industry will set up something that serves more or less the same purpose but without being so heavy-handed or using taxpayer money, and/or shy away from whatever it was that the complain-to-the-government types were whining about.

>>16505741

because some anons don't have a browser that plays nice with pdfs, or they're just too lazy to scroll through a pdf before posting in the thread.

Besides, it's not like it's a bad thing to have it in multiple formats.


85a342  No.16505761

>>16505699

Finally, adults-only games for big adults such as myself.


8a387f  No.16505763

>>16505756

I just really want as many people to read this as possible


d925c5  No.16505765

File: b0170c77b19df67⋯.png (88.83 KB, 424x584, 53:73, e70fa61657a6ca9f328b5ecbdb….png)

>It's not just loot boxes but also pay to win shit

Looking good.


8a387f  No.16505769

Will this have an effect on game expansions such as Loopy Landscapes? Or will this only hit multiplayer games?


8dc6ee  No.16505777

>>16505769

Multiplayer does not appear in the bill at all, with or without spaces, and online is used once only in describing the context of a digital store. This shit is hitting everything.


a5633e  No.16505778

>>16505699

Finally AAA will sell AO games


8150d1  No.16505788

File: 7356149c3263c5f⋯.png (2.73 MB, 2281x2328, 2281:2328, 7356149c3263c5f3ceefb98cff….png)

>>16505645

See >>16505699 , it's a surprisingly good law that doesn't overstep it's boundaries. It's merely applying already existing laws (children can't gamble) to virtual content (e-gambling).


8dc6ee  No.16505789

>>16505788

Don't bother responding to blatant shills unless you're just pointing and laughing.


86a1c9  No.16505791

>Turn vidya into gambling simulator

<No one cares

>Market to children

<No one cares

>Make a shitload of money off of addictive gaming principles a la BF Skinner

<Gov't: "Woah now, that's a lot of money you gon share?"

>Vidya: "No."

<Gov't: "Really now."

And now you have the current situation. The "think of the children" is just a meme to convert the normalfags into being concerned over vidya games.

I still think we benefit in the end, however, because the less lootbox bullshit and the less microtransaction bullshit that is in games the closer we get to a hard crash instead of just a desolate wasteland that we're in right now.


c2d7fe  No.16505797

>>16505791

It's going to fucking hard crash the mobile market. Finally.


8dc6ee  No.16505800

>>16505791

>>Make a shitload of money

*launder


8150d1  No.16505805

>>16505791

>The "think of the children" is just a meme to convert the normalfags into being concerned over vidya games.

Obviously, the government has shown itself time and time again not to care about children or lives in general.

Regardless, the outcome if it passes is both good in regards to morality and vidya.


4864b8  No.16505810

>>16505769

>Will this have an effect on game expansions such as Loopy Landscapes?

No. See section 2(6)(B):

>(2) Add-on transaction.—

>[…]

> (B) EXCLUSION.— Such a term shall not include a payment (including a payment of a regular subscription fee) which is made only to allow a user to access the content of an interactive digital entertainment product, provided that users do not have the option to pay different amounts to access the same content in order to unlock a feature of the product or to enhance the entertainment value of the product.


e120e0  No.16505812

>>16505805

This. Anyone who seriously thinks that anyone in the senate (maybe sans a few still naive ones) actually give a shit about MUH CHILDREN are just as naive as people who believe in "muh American Dream". That being said, it's still good either way for the industry. Fuck AAA studios, fuck their "journalist" cronies, and fuck the knuckle dragging whales who support them all.


efeb48  No.16505815

>>16505810

> Such a term shall not include a payment (including a payment of a regular subscription fee) which is made only to allow a user to access the content of an interactive digital entertainment product, provided that users do not have the option to pay different amounts to access the same content in order to unlock a feature of the product or to enhance the entertainment value of the product.

Congratulations, you just replaced lootboxes with eternal horse armor.

It's a little better, but it's like the distinction between being fucked with an old 2x4 and being fucked with a broom handle.


c2d7fe  No.16505819

File: 635d13896f24a21⋯.jpg (78.42 KB, 600x480, 5:4, dolan-plz-think-of-the-chi….jpg)

>>16505812

I'm sure they think about the children all the time.


0933da  No.16505827

Good, I hope this goes through and puts a dent in the runaway jewry thats infected gaming for too long. It doesn't cover cosmetics though, which is unfortunate. That shit is cancer too and needs to go.

>could radically change how video games are sold

Oh, like they may have to release content with some actual value instead of just shitty virtual slot machines for retards? How will the industry ever recover.


460e99  No.16505833

Easy fix: if a company wants their game to have loot boxes, it has to be rated AO for gambling.


4864b8  No.16505852

>>16505815

But that's not the point of this bill. It doesn't even try to regulate all "add-on transactions," only certain types (specifically "Pay-to-win microtransactions" and "Loot boxes"). In fact, the bill makes it even more clear that horse armor is unaffected later on:

Section 2(7)(B)(ii):

>(7) Pay-to-win microtransaction.—

>[…]

> (B) Exclusions.—

> (ii) Cosmetic alteratijons.—Such a term shall not include an add-on transaction to an interactive digital entertainment product whose only effect is to alter a user's visual representation within the game provided that it does not, from the perspective of a reasonable user, provide the user with a competitive advantage over other users who do not make such transaction.

>>16505827

>Oh, like they may have to release content with some actual value instead of just shitty virtual slot machines for retards?

No, they just have to make sure that those retards are 18+.


fe4f45  No.16505870

>>16505679

then you are a communist


7fa1fd  No.16505874

File: 5a35f29a622297f⋯.png (379.44 KB, 733x541, 733:541, hehehe.png)

>>16505641

So goyjin can't sell Whore Blunder premium+Golden Eagles+overpowered premium craft to kids anymore??


fe4f45  No.16505875

>>16505728

>Personal responsibility is for free people. I want to be like the EU and have my life run for me.


c97959  No.16505884

File: 32e726ecae46202⋯.jpg (16.78 KB, 224x255, 224:255, 32e726ecae462022c185fea826….jpg)

>>16505875

That's worked well so far.


c99747  No.16505891

>>16505875

>Personal responsibility is for free people

Let me just bribe these doctors to force you to get addicted to opiates

Its just free market bro


8dc6ee  No.16505893


fe4f45  No.16505895

>>16505833

or there could be no law at all and parents could act like parents and just not let their children use their credit cards. Even If you give little johhny $10 in allowance he still can use it on loot boxes but he could certainly go buy some pokemon cards that are completely random or some blind box toy….those are not gambling tho right they target children specifically and they do not know what they are getting but it is not the same because it is not a big corp…wait not it is not the same because they get a bunch of random tras…oh no ban magic too!


4864b8  No.16505896

>>16505875

Personal responsibility isn't something we can expect from children. To be fair, the kids who would be affected by this bill shouldn't have access to their parents credit cards, but if a kid brought their parrent's credit card to a casino, they still wouldn't be able to gamble.


6223f4  No.16505898

File: fc648b291a37359⋯.jpg (59.53 KB, 600x608, 75:76, Ancap.jpg)

>>16505875

>Addiction through subversion is free will


c97959  No.16505902

File: 1bfdffeda27c09f⋯.png (1.48 MB, 1287x1419, 39:43, 1557711808.png)

>>16505893

You're right, I feel shame.


fe4f45  No.16505905

>>16505884

it has, look at EA starwars and disney or the shit fit bitchford just threw. They know it hurts them and they do not want it associated with their games because it costs them customers. All a law will do is convince all of you retards oh the government fixed it guess i will just buy COD 33 now. Honestly if you have not learned that the congress and government in general do not have your best interests in mind and could fuck up a law to ban bad people from being bad you deserve the fucked up shit this law will bring.


6223f4  No.16505911

File: 08e520943dc0220⋯.png (608.52 KB, 1219x676, 1219:676, Australian man walks into ….png)

>>16505896

The issue is these fucking things not being labeled as gambling, which they should as that's literally what they are but with a much longer reach.


fe4f45  No.16505912

>>16505896

>Personal responsibility isn't something we can expect from children.

credit cards are not something we can expect children to have access to. Personal responsibility starts with the parents and the parents teaching it to their children. That is why we have so many bullshit laws as it is.


7fa1fd  No.16505913

File: bdc579b5da7dc53⋯.gif (746.48 KB, 500x281, 500:281, rain.gif)

>>16505898

>ywn have a private S-300 for defending the airspace above your private property


fe4f45  No.16505919

>>16505891

>Let me just bribe these doctors to force you to get addicted to opiates

>Its just free market bro

medicine in the usa is not free market it is heavily regulated by the government and insurance companies which pay the government to keep it that way but by all means keep begging the congress to give their powers to the FDA so congress does not have to take responsibility for the shady shit the FDA does every day. After all the FDA is the FDA there is nothing a simple congressman can do.


4864b8  No.16505924

>>16505912

>credit cards are not something we can expect children to have access to.

>To be fair, the kids who would be affected by this bill shouldn't have access to their parents credit cards, but if a kid brought their parrent's credit card to a casino, they still wouldn't be able to gamble.

It was literally the next sentence I wrote.


fe4f45  No.16505928

>>16505898

>>Addiction through subversion is free will

better ban soda

better ban chocolate and candy

better ban fast food

better ban guns

better ban cars

better ban all the things people can become addicted to after all the government needs to protect me from myself.


5f6102  No.16505929

>>16505645

>New release date is on Valentine's Day.

Coincidence? I think not!


8150d1  No.16505931

>>16505928

>preventing kids from suffering psychological tricks that are already illegal to use on kids is the same as banning candy


fe4f45  No.16505937

>>16505931

>>preventing kids from suffering psychological tricks that are already illegal to use on kids is the same as banning candy

That is why we need a new law right? Because it is already illegal. Nice logic genius.


6223f4  No.16505938

>>16505928

>Candy is as addictive and dangerous as gambling that's not even labeled, regulated or taxed as gambling

Just stop


d345f6  No.16505939

>>16505746

I got it off google image search. fight me faggot.

>>16505815

>Congratulations, you just replaced lootboxes with eternal horse armor.

<implying people will pay for a subscription for each game they play

A subscription model just wouldn't work. It'd be the journal website paywall debacle all over again: the journals that insisted on paywalls lost even more money as most readers just went away, and subscriptions couldn't make up for sharply declining page views, search rank, and ad impressions. Also no one is going to pay for a subscription to view a single article from a jewgle search result.

And then you have the fact that that games are kept and played frequently, unlike a newspaper which is usually read and thrown away. if you're forced to pay for a subscription, most people will just choose not to subscribe at all. Subscriptions will also limit game access, something players greatly loathe.

>>16505895

<how dare government work to prevent the exposure of minors to gambling

kill yourself nigger

>pokemon cards

TCGs are literally proto-lootboxes. you're only burying yourself.

>>16505928

except lootboxes are gambling, which is illegal for minors. kill yourself shill.


fe4f45  No.16505943

>>16505938

>>Candy is as addictive and dangerous as gambling that's not even labeled, regulated or taxed as gambling

are you saying losing money is worse than a mouth full of infected teeth? Are you british?

If you want to go over the top with your bullshit i will be glad to use your game against you.


d5589c  No.16505945

File: 3e914f6a638bd86⋯.jpg (14.29 KB, 480x360, 4:3, hqdefault.jpg)

>>16505895

Have some (you)'s. You don't deserve them faggot.


fe4f45  No.16505948

>>16505939

>except lootboxes are gambling, which is illegal for minors. kill yourself shill.

then you do not need a new law enforce the law on the books


72785e  No.16505951

>>16505699

How much do you want to bet that in response the publishers will try to raise the game prices. Dont forget that they tried to justify lootboxes as a way to keep the prices down as well. Even though everybody called out on their shit I doubt that they wont try to do that jewish shit again.


4864b8  No.16505952

>>16505948

Legally speaking, loot boxes either aren't gambling, or aren't considered gambling by the executive branch because it hasn't been tested in court.


fe4f45  No.16505953

>>16505945

it is always amazing to see people beg the government for more laws and regulations despite their track record when they could just act like adults and tell their children no.


4864b8  No.16505954

>>16505953

Who's begging?


8150d1  No.16505955

>>16505937

>That is why we need a new law right? Because it is already illegal.

Gambling is already illegal. Lootboxes and assorted are gambling in all but name.

All this law does is apply the same restrictions that gambling has to e-gambling.

>>16505943

>what is brushing your teeth

Go ban knives somewhere else britbong.


fe4f45  No.16505958

>>16505954

when you petition the government to create a law you are begging and that is exactly how lawmakers see you and treat you.


8a387f  No.16505962

>>16505958

Who petitioned the government for this bill


fe4f45  No.16505964

>>16505955

>Gambling is already illegal. Lootboxes and assorted are gambling in all but name.

>All this law does is apply the same restrictions that gambling has to e-gambling.

then as i said where are the pokemon cards' magic cards baseball cards and blind bag toys in this legislation. Same thing.

>>16505955

>>what is brushing your teeth

So you expect children to just brush their teeth? There is no law congress has not gotten involved. What would compel a child to brush? Maybe you expect a parent to take responsibility for their child and tell them to brush? Could it be true?


fe4f45  No.16505967

>>16505962

>Who petitioned the government for this bill

People who take no responsibility for their children.


8a387f  No.16505972

File: 26a27aa4e120162⋯.jpg (23.66 KB, 314x341, 314:341, 12948726496.jpg)

>>16505967

>doesn't even have an answer


fe4f45  No.16505973


93c178  No.16505975

>>16505699

>then as i said where are the pokemon cards' magic cards baseball cards and blind bag toys in this legislation. Same thing.

I would agree with this being applied here. Random packs allow game companies to make artificial scarcity.


4864b8  No.16505978

>>16505967

Who specifically? I had never seen a petition for this bill, and the original announcement for this bill

https://www.hawley.senate.gov/senator-hawley-introduce-legislation-banning-manipulative-video-game-features-aimed-children

does not mention it.


d345f6  No.16505982

>>16505964

>So you expect children to just brush their teeth?

if you're so scatterbrained you need it explained, the difference is you can consume candy in moderation without harmful effects. gambling has literally no benefit. that's the difference

>then as i said where are the pokemon cards' magic cards baseball cards and blind bag toys in this legislation. Same thing.

<this bill bans $BADTHING1 along with $BADTHING2 so it's bad

Obviously both should be banned. at least this bans $BADTHING1. Further, I support the ban of TCG 'starter' decks and booster packs. WoTC, Konami, etc. should be forced to sell singles of their cards, or, god forbid, allow proxies.


8150d1  No.16505983

>>16505964

>being this much of a nigger

Do you know what happens when you don't brush your teeth? They get fucked up, it hurts and it teaches you to never brush again. There's not a single upside to not brushing your teeth.

Any retard who never brushes will eventually get fucked up and learn their lesson.

Gambling is the complete opposite. You have those huge "win BIG" posters everywhere, photos of winners plastered around the walls. You just spend 500 bucks and didn't get shit for it, that just means you still haven't played enough, because next time you'll win.

There's a reason why there's few adults not brushing their teeth while casinos are always fucking full.


d345f6  No.16505984

>>16505982

><this bill bans $BADTHING1 along with $BADTHING2 so it's bad

meant

<bill doesn't ban $BADTHING2 along with $BADTHING1 so it's bad


93789d  No.16505985

File: 50bb051e5a2cd1d⋯.jpg (44.79 KB, 840x700, 6:5, loli of suffering.jpg)

>>16505975

>>16505699

That might require its own bill because unlike digital purchases, physical goods allow for a used, second-hand market away from the control of the original company. That's why they pushed for digital so hard. Meaningful physical products, not just CDs with a store key or gutted content that needs an external patch to be downloaded, give to much control to the customer. Hell even gutted "physical" copies still give you to much control in the eyes of the industry.

Also I fucking hate how everything uses consumer instead of customer now. They're not even pretending to treat you any differently from cattle now.


fe4f45  No.16505986

>>16505978

>Who specifically?

Does it matter which soccer mom got all of her girlfriends in to a frenzy over her $500 credit card bill that she could have easily avoided by taking an interest in what their child was doing and why that child needed her credit card number? If you support it you are also a petitioner and responsible in part for its passage.


fe4f45  No.16505990

>>16505982

>if you're so scatterbrained you need it explained, the difference is you can consume candy in moderation without harmful effects. gambling has literally no benefit. that's the difference

So you expect children to eat candy in moderation? Congress has not passed a law dictating that children must eat candy in moderation how will this be accomplished? Again are you suggesting parents get involved?


8150d1  No.16505991

>>16505986

>fucking people begged for this shit

>petitioning for it means you begged for it

>w-who cares if no one petitioned for it, if you don't think this is literally Hitler in law form you're a beggar


8150d1  No.16505994

>>16505990

>having a law means everything needs to have a law

I guess Jamal breaking into your house, shooting your dog and raping your parents is fine because law is a spook Xd


93c178  No.16505996

>>16505994

But anon that violates the NAP, it's totally different. I have the rights to shoot my McNukes at Jamal in that case. :^)


d345f6  No.16505998

>>16505990

>refuses to see acknowledge between something that's outright harmful and has no benefits (gambling) and something that's harmful in excessive doses but has some use (sugar)

you're being disingenuous. there's no point in discussing with you any longer.


6c24b7  No.16506002

>>16505699

Fortnite btfo


fe4f45  No.16506006

>>16505975

>I would agree with this being applied here. Random packs allow game companies to make artificial scarcity.

I bring it up because it is the same not because i want the government involved. At least you are consistent in your bad ideas.

>>16505983

>They get fucked up, it hurts and it teaches you to never brush again.

Over time this will happen by then it is too late. Better make a law.

>>16505994

>I guess Jamal breaking into your house, shooting your dog and raping your parents is fine because law is a spook Xd

No law could protect me from this only my own ability to defend myself with a gun knife or other means. Cops are still 10 mins away while you are being anally raped expecting laws to save you.


755b56  No.16506008

>governments do something good for once as a break from their completely transparent schemes to kill whites

>it only hurts hyperkikes

<"oy vey this is literally communism, if you don't hate this you hate capitalism!"

Bonus point: the point of capitalism is that customers are supposed to make smart decisions and through that shape the market in a positive way. If customers are making objectively awful decisions the entire fucking idea goes out the window. All you're defending is the corruption of capitalism. Doesn't matter how good a tool is, if it's just being abused to hurt the original purposes.

Bonus bonus point: it's blatantly fucking obvious that the original idea of capitalism didn't account for mega corporations that control entire governments over the entire world. If they kill off all competition, more often than not through underhanded means, you don't even fucking have capitalism any more. You have corporations so massive that it's outright impossible for any competitor to grow, unless it's funded by absurd amounts of money.

Only a complete hyperkike would defend capitalism in its modern, corrupted and abused form that stifles competition.


8dc6ee  No.16506012

>>16505998

>>16506008

It's the same guy who spammed the last thread on this with his terrible "Christianity is an inherently communist religion" derail. He hopped on like 5 different IDs while doing it too.


db21b9  No.16506014

File: 518f3d1619a0f99⋯.png (142.9 KB, 500x515, 100:103, 1428149263994.png)

Oh boy, remember the death of a thousand cuts. They want to regulate video games. It starts with something everyone seemingly wants now, no one will object. And then when people realize how far it's gone, it's too late.


fe4f45  No.16506015

>>16505998

>>refuses to see acknowledge between something that's outright harmful and has no benefits (gambling) and something that's harmful in excessive doses but has some use (sugar)

just because you do not enjoy gambling does not mean it is bad. Many people enjoy gambling. Children might also enjoy it though they have parents for a reason. If the state is going to be your parent then parents are no longer needed. The slope is here. Will you jump off to let the government have 100% control of raising your child or will you step up and make sure your child does not gamble or eat excessive amounts of sugar?


87de4f  No.16506017

ITT: Lootboxes getting fucked is a bad thing actually


8dc6ee  No.16506018

It used the same image last time too.


8150d1  No.16506020

>>16506006

>Over time this will happen by then it is too late.

Are you seriously this fucking retarded you don't even know how teeth work? You think if you eat a candy your mouth just fucking explodes?

>>16506006

>defend myself with a gun knife or other means

>killing someone because of something they've done

Wow, it's almost like you believe in rules or something.

>>16506015

>enjoying something means it's good

Oh, so you are fucking retarded.


93789d  No.16506022

>>16506014

>inb4 some iconoclastic, historical-revisionist nigger bitches about muh clover

Still think clover is gay, but the faggots that want to erase history are worse.


fe4f45  No.16506026

>>16506008

>Bonus point: the point of capitalism is that customers are supposed to make smart decisions

how can they make a decision at all if congress makes a law. You have no choice or chance to become an adult at all once laws like this are in place and inevitably abused to freeze smaller companies out of the industry due to excessive regulation that is not needed.


8150d1  No.16506034

>>16506026

>how can they make a decision at all if congress makes a law.

>punishing people for rape means you can't choose what to wear

Are all ancaps this fucking retarded?


3aa84b  No.16506035

>>16505645

Corporations marketing slot machines that pay out in digital bullshit instead of actual money as "video games" is even worse.


ecd5dc  No.16506036

File: 8a53dfab8b856a9⋯.jpg (78.86 KB, 512x504, 64:63, 1536983205_END THE CYCLES ….jpg)

>lolbergs enter the thread

oy vey


93c178  No.16506039

File: 59fe43c60edeae9⋯.jpg (50.55 KB, 720x530, 72:53, 59fe43c60edeae932028d33441….jpg)

>>16505699

>>16505664

Looking at this again it's funny that gacha would be defined as P2W under this law and not lootbox. As would any online TCG. Interesting.

>>16506006

>I bring it up because it is the same not because i want the government involved. At least you are consistent in your bad ideas.

I know that you retarded kike. I just want consistency from the law I don't care what the law is but if you'll make one thing illegal all things that are equivent should be. For another example, it's retarded that Alcohol should be legal but Weed, Meth and LSD aren't. Either all should be legal or all shouldn't.


fe4f45  No.16506040

>>16506020

>Are you seriously this fucking retarded you don't even know how teeth work? You think if you eat a candy your mouth just fucking explodes?

are you having trouble comprehending what was written in that sentence? I said exactly what you just said. You mouth does not just fucking explode the damage to your teeth happens over time. Do you have brain problems?

>>16506020

>Wow, it's almost like you believe in rules or something.

What rule? Murder is bad? Well if the government told you murder is good would you allow the dark man to rape you. I would still be in the came of shooting the faggot.

>>16506020

>>enjoying something means it's good

Freedom is bad ban it.


4864b8  No.16506042

>>16505986

What I meant by "who specifically?" was: "Do you have any evidence that people actually petitioned for this bill?" To be perfectly honest, I thought that Senator Josh Hawley knew about loot boxes and pay to win games, and decided to make a bill regulating them because he thinks that it's a genuinely good idea. It also has the effect of showing that he (or at least his staff) actually understands video games and technology (as opposed to a lot of the older/dumber congresspeople).


3aa84b  No.16506044

>>16506014

Gambling is already regulated. Correctly labeling lootbox systems as gambling is rectification of names, not new regulation.


8dc6ee  No.16506045

>>16506039

Why would the government legalize their own chemical weapons for civilian use?


4864b8  No.16506049

>>16506044

But this law doessn't label loot boxes as gambling. It creates separate regulation for loot boxes and pay to win games.


ef1125  No.16506050

HOLD THE FUCK UP

What about purchasing in-game/digital currency? Is and/or how is it affected?


93789d  No.16506051


8150d1  No.16506054

>>16506040

>I said exactly what you just said.

You said that by the time the damage happens it's already too late. That's now how it works in the 21st century.

>What rule? Murder is bad?

Yes. You talk as if laws are some big bag evil thing rather than just a set of rules the government makes in order to regulate punishment as opposed to medieval "I don't like this guy, draw and quarter him".

>Freedom is bad ban it.

>saying that people should be punished for raping and murdering innocents is against freedom

Top goy.


8a387f  No.16506055


db21b9  No.16506057

>>16506051

>linking to a post that came after someone's post

Are you new?


fe4f45  No.16506064

>>16506034

>>punishing people for rape means you can't choose what to wear

>Are all ancaps this fucking retarded?

you can build your straw house and put words in my mouth all day but being for one thing or against one thing does not mean being for or against another. This is why we have so many problems today retards that project their shit on to others. Again do we have laws to prevent rape or to punish it? How many rapes are prevented? How many people are saved by rape by police? You are responsible for your safety not the police not congress and as soon as you put it all in the hands of congress or the police you have just been raped to death. At least if they catch the rapist he will go to jail tho. That is where the law kicks in, in most cases. You assume ancap or lolbertatian and that is your problem not mine.


4864b8  No.16506069

>>16506026

>how can they make a decision at all if congress makes a law.

By being over 18. This law only prevents loot boxes and pay to win in games that are targeted to those under 18 or whose developers should know that they have players who are under 18. Your game also gets a pass if you lock off the loot boxes and pay to win stuff to be only available to those over 18. This law still gives the majority of people the ability to make that decision.


fe4f45  No.16506073

>>16506054

>You said that by the time the damage happens it's already too late.

last time i checked teeth do not grow back. If you want to talk about dentures fine but it is hardly comparable to having real healthy teeth . >>16506054

>Yes. You talk as if laws are some big bag evil thing rather than just a set of rules the government makes in order to regulate punishment as opposed to medieval "I don't like this guy, draw and quarter him".

Dumb laws are bad. This does not need to be a law.

>>16506054

>>saying that people should be punished for raping and murdering innocents is against freedom

Your straw house will burn down


fe4f45  No.16506075

>>16506051

see>>16506049


ef1125  No.16506076

>>16506055

So is the purchase of in-game currency also subject to the sonsequences that lootsboxes would get?


fe4f45  No.16506081

>>16506069

>This law only prevents loot boxes and pay to win in games that are targeted to those under 18

which is completely unnecessary because children do not have a means to purchase this shit without their parents being involved via credit card. This does not need to be a law.


8a387f  No.16506084

>>16506069

>still gives the majority of people the ability to make that decision.

Except it effectively won't for 98+% of games I'd think, since kids play all the games and everyone knows it

>>16506076

Looks that way to me


93789d  No.16506085

>>16506073

You're still being a disingenous faggot. Damage to teeth and signs of it are gradual and it is not to late to stop it once you notice it. Cavities, increased sensitivity, weak gums and the roof of your mouth, and frequent sores are all signs that your teeth are becoming fucked and you can stop and reverse the damage through several means. Stop lying anytime now.


8150d1  No.16506086

>>16506064

You literally said that if the congress makes a law people can't make a decision at all.

>How many rapes are prevented? How many people are saved by rape by police?

Punishment isn't magic, it's preventive action.

>>16506073

>last time i checked teeth do not grow back.

See? This is what I mean by "you think teeth explode". Teeth don't just magically fall out once you eat a candy, they slowly get more and more fuck up and start hurting before they go beyond the point of no return.

>Dumb laws are bad.

How is this law dumb? It just applies already existing restriction to a subset of items that was previously immune by nothing other than legal incompetence.


ee63c2  No.16506089

>>16506034

>Are all ancaps this fucking retarded?

Yes. Anyone who hasn't already filtered him for being a retard is almost exactly as fucking stupid as him.

>How many people are saved by rape by police?

pretty much every nigger in prison is two rapes per year prevented.


7c9da6  No.16506092

File: 0ff6fb11083a85b⋯.jpg (19.29 KB, 500x383, 500:383, 389-1-23.jpg)

There's zero real justification of the abuse of copyright to lock users out of content they already paid for to begin with by pretending they don't own the software they paid for.


8dc6ee  No.16506093

>>16506084

If kids weren't the majority of suckers for this shit you sure as hell wouldn't see the shills losing their mind this hard over it.


8dc6ee  No.16506096

>>16506089

>pretty much every nigger in prison is two rapes per year prevented.

Redirected, you mean, not prevented.


7c9da6  No.16506099

Also

Ancapism is a retarded ideology and Constitutional minarchy is the best government


ee63c2  No.16506106

>>16506096

I mean prevented. Rape only applies to humans, niggers penetrating other niggers isn't ever rape.

>>16506099

state-enforced anarchy is best fite me


4864b8  No.16506108

File: ba4854c41b3cf5a⋯.png (90.88 KB, 707x680, 707:680, Add-on definition.png)

>>16506076

The law won't regulate the purchase of virtual currencies, but it will regulate some of the things that you can buy with those currencies.


8a387f  No.16506109

>>16506093

I'm not saying they're the majority of players but that they play an almost complete majority of games. As far as I can tell, bill says "if a kids playing it then no loot"


93c178  No.16506120

>>16506045

The point isn't that they ever will, and why they wouldn't. The point is it isn't consistent. Again, all I want is consistency. The highly addictive nature of alcohol, the deaths it causes via DUIs and how it effects humans mentally all are similar to numerous other illegal substances. Either alcohol should be illegal or everything else should be for rational consistency. The only reason alcohol gets a pass is because of it's cultural history.


fe4f45  No.16506121

>>16506085

>You're still being a disingenous faggot.

be as mad as you like while you move your goal posts.

>>16506086

>Punishment isn't magic, it's preventive action.

So what percent of rapes do you think are prevented. When was the last time you looked at the rape stats. It is pretty much all one group raping another. wonder if that group does not have the ability to think ahead….Like i said i am not against all laws i am against laws that are not necessary and this loot box shit can be prevented simply by being a parent to your child.

>>16506086

>See? This is what I mean by "you think teeth explode"

Over time teeth will go bad without brushing. You said they explode not me.

>>16506086

>How is this law dumb?

it is not necessary parents can either watch their children or pay the consequences in the form of their credit card bill.


ee63c2  No.16506126

>>16506121

>it is not necessary parents can either watch their children or pay the consequences

the same could be said of laws against child rape couldn't it


93789d  No.16506130

>>16506121

What moving goalposts? You mentioned the consequences to not brushing your teeth would make them too late once noticed here >>16506006 . And that's a fucking lie you kike. First you will get cavities and increase sensitivity along with the rest of the symptoms I mentioned previously. At many times during the dregradation of your teeth several corrective actions can be taken: brushing your teeth, braces, and increasingly involved dental surgery. Many things to do and notice before "it's too late" and you would need dentures.

Disingenuous faggot.


93c178  No.16506135

>>16506126

Obviously children can consent so child rape isn't a real. In addition parents should be able to sell children to sex rings so broodmare can be a legal career move.


8150d1  No.16506138

>>16506121

>So what percent of rapes do you think are prevented.

See >>16506089

>Over time teeth will go bad without brushing.

Yes, but they don't instantly fall off once they go bad. They slowly get more and more fucked up and more and more painful. By the time the kids complaining there's still time to fix it.

>it is not necessary

So you'd rather have the law be fucking retarded and have gambling laws for some things but have other types of gambling not be considered gambling? Because that's the current law and that's what this bill seeks to change, to make gambling on a console be seen by the law as gambling.


ee63c2  No.16506140

>>16506135

what if the child DOESN'T consent tho


8150d1  No.16506141

>>16506121

>You said they explode not me.

Also, google hyperbole, you retarded nigger.


fe4f45  No.16506157

It is clear trying to appeal to some of you that this law is not necessary is a losing battle just as you will never convince me it is needed. What if we take a different approach?

How will this law punish an offender? A fine? Lets say that fine is $500,000.00.

Well EA just got caught. They drop their 500,000.00 and move on to the next scam. They have now paid for their crime and moved on. How much did the make before they were caught? Maybe millions maybe it was caught instantly and they made nothing. But here you come. Brand new developer. You have released your game and you offer something in the game for money. Suddenly after you have made your first $1,000.00 you are fined 500,000.00 because while you read the law and were aware of the law and followed the law someone in charge of enforcement interprets this law just a little differently than it was intended and applies it to you. You could take this to court and spend a few hundred thousand defending yourself in court maybe you run a successful campaign to build a war chest for court. If you lose you lose big. If you win you lose but not as big.

Laws like this are for you not for AAA.


7c9da6  No.16506162

>>16506157

Nigger the point is now companies can't abuse copyright law in this method at present.

Not HURR BUT DEY STILL MADE ZILLION BILLION DAWLERS GIVE UP GOYINM


fe4f45  No.16506165

>>16506162

>Nigger the point is now companies can't abuse copyright law

What are you even talking about?


e17373  No.16506166

>>16506140

Obviously if the parents sold the rights to you that goes along with the rights to consent so if you own the child they're consenting by default.


8150d1  No.16506168

>>16506165

No joke, do you have assburgers?

My friend does, and he treats everything as literal. That'd explain half of this thread.


ee63c2  No.16506169

>>16506157

>when completely losing the argument, change to another one

lol@this kike

>>16506166

well that goes without saying


fe4f45  No.16506171

>>16506168

>No joke, do you have assburgers?

>My friend does, and he treats everything as literal. That'd explain half of this thread.

If you have something to say why not take the time to say it.


f89674  No.16506174

lootboxes are over


8c4d8d  No.16506175

File: 982be9b2d12c682⋯.webm (2.57 MB, 480x360, 4:3, tldr.webm)

Alright, let me attempt a tl;dr since no one else has done so yet.

>The exact wording of the bill is to make it unlawful to create or add 'pay to win' functions or lootboxes. This extends to Minor oriented games, Non minor oriented games where the game makers know any of their users are under the age of 18, and for Digital Publishers to distribute games that violate either of the above stipulations

They then proceed to have a few pages of definitions. The definition of Pay 2 Win that Congress is going with is

>From the perspective of a reasonable user of the product finds that the transaction 1)Eases progression through content available without purchasing the item in question. 2) Allows the user to accomplish an achievement in the game that would otherwise be normally possible without the purchase 3)Assist the user in acquiring an award available without the purchase 4)Allows users to access content that had previously been available to all but was locked after a timer\number of attempts

Moving on to Exclusions:

>Difficulty Modes, Cosmetics, and additional game content is still allowed providing they do not violate the above points

The FTC will be enforcing this bill if it passes, each individual infraction of the sale of a P2W or Lootbox to a minor under the age of 18 will be considered a separate infraction. and can open up a joint suit at the state level against the distributor, developer, and publisher.


8150d1  No.16506176

>>16506171

What do you even mean by that? I'm seriously asking if you have asperger. You treated my "teeth exploding" hyperbole as literal and you couldn't understand >>16506162 's example.

You're not pretending to be retarded, so assburgers could be the answer.


7c9da6  No.16506188

>>16506165

The whole reason this "lootbox" shit exists is because the laws concerning copyright and software are genuinely fucking broken, and technically have overreach that violates standards with ownership in regards to any other good that exists.

If you say but videogames not exist commit die


8150d1  No.16506190

>>16506188

>concerning copyright

Don't you mean licenses?

Copyright is fucking broken, but lootboxes fall under licenses and ownership.


e17373  No.16506191

File: f119366b1e4a288⋯.jpg (17.78 KB, 500x267, 500:267, (PhoenixScreams).jpg)

>>16506157

>Well EA just got caught. They drop their 500,000.00 and move on to the next scam. They have now paid for their crime and moved on.

Nigger take this thinking and apply it to a corporate entity producing and selling unregulated street meth. Banks would pull out (this is why interstate banks wouldn't fund most weedfarm operations even though it would be legal in Colorado) investor confidence would plummet because not only would the corporate entity be dragged into court to either plea guilty to breaking a law, they would be required to ==CEASE== doing the lootboxes in the meantime as the investigation is going on. You don't live in a magical world were say, a pharmaceutical company is allowed to keep selling unregulated medicine while they're in court over said medicine. Distribution stops as soon as an investigation is launched. Sure, you could attempt to dissolve the corporate entity that is EA in your example and rebuild elsewhere, but to any banks and investors you're still asking for money to do something that's illegal, so they won't pay you and you won't get off the ground.

This law isn't about affecting things already done (that's why grandfather clauses exist) but only prevent companies moving forward from making this their main monetary model.


fe4f45  No.16506197

>>16506169

>>when completely losing the argument, change to another one

I feel I made my point that this law is dumb. I would like to make you think a little more about what i consider blindly supporting a new law because big corps bad. I hate AAA corps and what they have done too but regulation is not going to hurt them.

>>16506176

Exactly what I said. If you have something to say then say it your sarcasm means nothing about an unrelated topic adds nothing.

>>16506177

>if they do manage to find another way to sell people useless shit then there is no hope for normalfags

This is what is so frustrating to me. Look around you. Game companies do not even want to admit their games have loot boxes or micro transactions now. We are so close and this law is that holy grail they are going throw up in front of it all to make you think everything is fixed and fine now.

>See friends we fixed it with laws. Forget there was ever a problem while we create the next scam.

Let the market finish this off. Bitchford lost his mind not two weeks ago over being called out when he said there would be no microtransactions in borderlands 3 when in fact there are. What did he say? Do you remember? Have you been paying attention? "Why you guys would fuck me on this is beyond me?"


ee63c2  No.16506203

>>16506197

>I feel

nobody gives a shit about what a retard feels


8150d1  No.16506205

>>16506197

>If you have something to say then say it your sarcasm means nothing about an unrelated topic adds nothing.

It's not sarcasm, I'm honestly asking.


79bb32  No.16506206

Based PotUS taking name and saving games.


7c9da6  No.16506207

>>16506190

Licenses are technically irrelevant because the misapplication of copyright law is why licenses like that are "legal".


ee63c2  No.16506214

wait wait hold on

> We are so close and this law is that holy grail they are going throw up in front of it all to make you think everything is fixed and fine now.

So you're saying a law preventing lootboxes will result in the continuation of lootboxes in a different form, while doing nothing will destroy lootboxes AND other forms they might take? And your reasoning is "one time a cuck got upset when people called him out for lying?"

god damn you are eight different kinds of retarded


87717e  No.16506230

File: b5eca61815239ec⋯.jpg (54.52 KB, 800x366, 400:183, 14854684.jpg)

Good.

I doubt it will go anywhere, but its good that the government is talking about it.

If game companies can't games games with porn to sell to children, they should not be able to make games with real money gambling to sell to children.

>Buh what about muh poor multi billion dollar corporation's profits

Get fucked


fe4f45  No.16506237

>>16506188

I do not see a link between copyright and micro transactions. If you care to elaborate I will read what you have to say if you care to discuss it.

>>16506191

>Nigger take this thinking and apply it to a corporate entity producing and selling unregulated street meth.

But anon. Meth is illegal

If you believe this is how the normal court system works I have some news for you friend. Courts are a revolving door and even the FTC is becoming the same way. Fine and move on. Do you recall Volkswagen getting caught faking emission tests a few years back? They were investigated and fined 18 billion $37000 per car estimated on the roads and then received government subsidies from several state governments in excess of 1 trillion to build a couple plants. 18 billion fine 1 trillion in subsidies. Sounds like they won out to me. Meanwhile there is a company trying to bring back the Delorean struggling as the same government agency, the EPA discusses the legality of a law passed by congress. That is right an agency created by congress is discussing weather they will allow this small company to make cars even after congress basically gave the OK small manufacturers in the form of a law.


fe4f45  No.16506254

>>16506239

>I dont keep up with the latest shit and instead I play video games

This is why you are abused. You do not have to spend every waking moment being pissed about the government and all of the bullshit they pull but at least you stopped playing long enough to hear a different opinion.


799f35  No.16506257

>Bans gacha

This kills the Mark.


000000  No.16506262

>>16505641

Good. A first step aiming, for now, to protect children, but with the rightful end goal of the total prohibition of lootboxes and microtransactions in games.

Regulate everything. The government must part ways with companies and lobbyists and start hunting them down.

All corporations must be brought down, and the local government must be always above globo-corpo-homo.


fe4f45  No.16506281

File: d32b28a755f2ef7⋯.jpg (31.91 KB, 577x537, 577:537, things.jpg)

>>16506263

They are making laws right now that are unnecessary to try and prevent another hitler.

Antisemitism bills left and right

Several government agencies have actual hate speech policies in relation to interaction on social media.

More regulation across the board and most of it is from various agencies not even laws created by congress.


7c9da6  No.16506292

>>16506237

The issue is, currently, as software is defined in regards to copyright law, case law allows rightsholders to pretend consumers don't own the rights to the software they purchased, as a purchase. It got slightly better in that GaaS is getting harder to push globally, which is a why a lot of these companies are trying desperately to go to streaming because that would legally qualify as a service. Essentially developers can technically get away with reselling you content you already purchased (microtransactions) by asserting authority as the rightsholder of the software that you are not "technically" the owner and enabled to access said content, which is technically legal but violates ownership laws concerning goods.


b0e0bd  No.16506305

>Blumenthal

Nice to know that Dick is doing something I support for once.

Reminder Trump’s brother is on the Zenimax board of directors, so I wouldn’t be surprised if this gets shut down. Congress seems to be gearing up for a war over impeachment, so this bill is probably going to get swept aside anyway.


c2d7fe  No.16506316

>>16506281

>Antisemitism bills left and right

Those probably won't pass and if they do the Supreme court will strike them down.


ce1f5f  No.16506323

>>16506305

So basically, lootboxes win and will be the only ecomomically viable gaming things ever soon. Nothing we can do with it.


657aec  No.16506324

File: 9c8c3b9bfe40bc9⋯.jpg (110.63 KB, 1200x900, 4:3, 9c8c3b9bfe40bc994b1d0e0645….jpg)

>>16506257

>we have to rely on the US government to ban gacha in order to be rid of gacha threads


fe4f45  No.16506328

>>16506292

I see you are talking about games as a service and how unless you have a physical copy and can install and use that copy without phoning home then you have nothing and own nothing. Unless I missed it in the documents above that is not what this law is addressing though.

While I do not like this practice I would not support a law banning it. I believe it is not necessary either since I can simply not buy their product. I can see how your argument applies to what was being discussed now. Feel free to talk shit at me for that at least I will understand what you are on about now.

>>16506316

>Those probably won't pass and if they do the Supreme court will strike them down.

Florida already sent such a law to the gov who plans to visit Israel and sign it there.

>inb4 Florida

You can not make this shit up.


e17373  No.16506347

File: 1ed2994e4c99480⋯.png (39.82 KB, 760x505, 152:101, 2019-05-25 17_57_02-volksw….png)

>>16506237

>But anon. Meth is illegal

And? This would make adding lootboxes to vidya games with "minor oriented audiences" illegal.

>They were investigated and fined 18 billion $37000 per car estimated on the roads and then received government subsidies from several state governments in excess of 1 trillion to build a couple plants. 18 billion fine 1 trillion in subsidies.

You're being disingenuous again. Again, you assumed Volkswagen was still selling said vehicles with the software in them at that time, they weren't. That's a major loss right there. They were forced to either buyback or recall cars that had used that software as well and fix them so they became in line with regulations, another gigantic cost right there. Stocks took a major hit, and since stockholders are usually the ones running the company on the board of directors, that means those in charge also took a gigantic hit as far as their networth in stock. The issue isn't the fine in a vacuum. It's that they can't keep selling in that time, they have to fix what they fucked up, and IN ADDITION pay the fine. In the case of an MMO for this example the entire server would have to shut down and subscriptions be put on temporary hold, money refunded to those who paid for it.

To be more specific though.

> in excess of 1 trillion to build a couple plants.

This is blatantly false information. The only source I can find that says Volkswagen received a trillion in subsidies is one that mentions that, over the entire course of Volkswagen existence since 1976, they've reached that number over the course of 43 fucking years, not since then. Yes they've received subsidies since but nothing in the amount you're stating you disingenuous faggot. Source on claim unlike you you kike. http://archive.is/Jiqsy


8dc6ee  No.16506361

>>16506230

Notice how they never cry about nanny states when said state gives their corporate masters billions of dollars a year?


c2d7fe  No.16506380

>>16506328

>Florida already sent such a law to the gov who plans to visit Israel and sign it there.

Then it'll be found unconstitutional either for being vague or for violating the First Amendment. Any politician pushing such a law is doing it purely for good goy points.


d345f6  No.16506381

>>16506361

>implying it's about guvmint vs corporations

it's about NOT GETTING (((JEWED))), not who does the jewing. People DON'T like getting (((JEWED))). This bill is AGAINST GETTING (((JEWED))). get that through your THICK SKULL you big stinking FAGGOT.

also

>implying anyone expressing support for this means they like the gubmint

>invoking false dichotomy

die in a fire. DIE IN A FIRE.


d345f6  No.16506386

File: f8e2ffe11d751c0⋯.gif (3.72 MB, 680x383, 680:383, ClipboardImage.gif)

>>16506381

hell I'm so pissed off the image didn't post.


a9ec38  No.16506389

>>16505641

As much as I hate pay to win microtransactions (lootboxes are a much lesser evil by themselves), I think this law is setting a bad precedent. "Normal" P2W bullshit has nothing to do with gambling, and I worry that this will create a slippery slope where their next law is to "fight gaming addiction".

Besides, this shit will never pass anyway.


fe4f45  No.16506392

>>16506347

>And? This would make adding lootboxes to vidya games with "minor oriented audiences" illegal.

Well you want a law to prevent loot boxes I am pointing out there is a law to prevent meth sales. I admit i do not know how underground loot box sales might occur. Maybe something similar to selling items from mmo's on the "dark web" or ebey?

>This is blatantly false information.

This is correct it was just over 1 billion not one trillion I miscounted my commas.

https://subsidytracker.goodjobsfirst.org/prog.php?parent=volkswagen>

>>16506380

>Then it'll be found unconstitutional

I agree but it should never have gotten that far.


c2d7fe  No.16506400

>>16506389

>Besides, this shit will never pass anyway.

Best case scenario is the law doesn't pass and there fore prevents the growth of government but at the same time scares the shit out of publishers and they voluntarily abandon or self regulate the lootbox model.


fe4f45  No.16506405

>>16506389

>Besides, this shit will never pass anyway.

I would not be surprised if sony and microsoft are invited to congress to discuss it and find some way to make it far worse. A large company will never let the chance to legislate away competition go to waste.

>>16506389

>where their next law is to "fight gaming addiction".

I expect this to be next. I completely agree since the WHO and brought it up.


7c9da6  No.16506406

>>16506328

There is literally no need for a physical piece of media to recognize and end user as owner of software, and your line of thinking is why software is such a goddamn fucked situation.


e17373  No.16506416

File: b78d583e78e1315⋯.jpg (105.43 KB, 629x390, 629:390, god.jpg)

>>16506392

My point was that you said here >>16506157

>Well EA just got caught. They drop their 500,000.00 and move on to the next scam.

Isn't how it works. They don't just pay the fine, they stop the sales, refund the sales already made, take the stock hit AND pay the fine. And since producing video games is a completely different model because it takes YEARS to make exactly one product and you bleed money constantly in the mean time, if you're not allowed to sell said product during the investigation you are completely fucked financially.

>Well you want a law to prevent loot boxes I am pointing out there is a law to prevent meth sales. I admit i do not know how underground loot box sales might occur. Maybe something similar to selling items from mmo's on the "dark web" or ebey?

This already occurs but it's a secondary market that ceases to exist once the primary does because you can't sell secondhand cosmetics if you can't get them in the first place.


fe4f45  No.16506418

>>16506406

>There is literally no need for a physical piece of media to recognize and end user as owner of software

If you physically possess the item how are you not the owner? Unless the game requires that it phones home before you can use it in which case why did you buy it?


fe4f45  No.16506433

>>16506416

>Isn't how it works. They don't just pay the fine, they stop the sales, refund the sales already made, take the stock hit AND pay the fine. And since producing video games is a completely different model because it takes YEARS to make exactly one product and you bleed money constantly in the mean time, if you're not allowed to sell said product during the investigation you are completely fucked financially.

They are not selling cars. This is software that can simply have an update pushed out or a online store closed and removed from the game. It may not work that way for a car company but it absolutely does for a software company.


7c9da6  No.16506443

>>16506418

No, what I am saying is that purchased software does not need to be tied to a corresponding piece of physical media to recognize the end user as owner of the software.

The idea of "software that phones home" is a farce


fe4f45  No.16506453

>>16506416

>>16506433

Here is one example of a fine and walk. The real damage would be to the companies reputation having installed "malware" on customers computers or as you put it stock prices if the company is listed in the stock exchange.

https://www.wired.com/2013/11/e-sports/


5300b1  No.16506456

>>16506175

>dificulty modes are okay to cut out and sell

Hey its gonna be Samus Returns all over again.


c6dbdb  No.16506464

>>16505827

I don't really care about the cosmetics. If some idiot in South Korea wants to go prancing around with solid gold everything and peacock feathers then it's his won to waste. But the idea that you can buy victory by getting otherwise-unobtainable weapons and armor with your debit card is straight-up bullshit.


e17373  No.16506470

File: c57c18db89d0aea⋯.jpg (10.82 KB, 180x257, 180:257, c57c18db89d0aeacccd9819281….jpg)

>>16506433

>This is software that can simply have an update pushed out or a online store closed and removed from the game.

This is barely different that doing a factory recall from a purely financial perspective (not the practical problem of moving physical objects). The game must be shut down in the mean time. The turn around is faster because it just needs to be updated but then comes the question of how the game is allowed to keep making money. The game is not allowed to continue in it's current state until the issue is resolved. In both cases you are forced to stop the service/sales until the issue is resolved. If it's a F2P game and the in game store is removed it CEASES TO FUCKING EXIST or the game gains an initial cost. If Fortnite had no skins no cosmetics no whatever the game would die instantly or need to gain an a base cost, severely reducing player counts.

>>16506453

You seem to be missing a critical detail. The reason the companies get to continue existing is because they have to cease doing the illegal activity you retard. Yes, EA is allowed to exist still but EA isn't allowed to put bitcoin miners on consumer computers anymore tard else someone goes to jail. In addition, the article in question puts the amount of bitcoins mined at 17,000$ but a fine of 1,000,000$. That's a 98.3% loss to the company. In addition that just the fine, there's still court fees going on because as it stated in the article there's a class action lawsuit going on, that costs money. If the lawsuit is lost or is settled that is additional money paid.

You seem to be under the broken assumption that this laws are meant to send someone to jail when a regulation is broken. That only happens if a company is caught doing something illegal and DOESN'T STOP DOING THE ILLEGAL ACTIVITY. Please provide me an example of a company allowed to do something illegal and keep doing the illegal thing. Not keep existing, keep doing the illegal thing. For this example, find me a company that put bitcoin miners on consumer computers, paid a fine, and ''was allowed to keep putting bitcoin miners on consumer computers.


3a308f  No.16506479

>>16505645

>because of how much money they lose

This won't cause them to lose money.

Loss = expenses - revenue > 0

or simply revenue < 0

This will just mean they don't "earn" as much revenue and thus profit.


3a308f  No.16506481

woops, should be;

>>16505671

>because of how much money they lose

This won't cause them to lose money.

Loss = expenses - revenue > 0

or simply revenue < 0

This will just mean they don't "earn" as much revenue and thus profit.


0aa491  No.16506485

>>16506292

>The issue is, currently, as software is defined in regards to copyright law, case law allows rightsholders to pretend consumers don't own the rights to the software they purchased, as a purchase

Wrong. 9th Circuit affirmed that software that is sold constitutes a sale, not a license, and EULA that are not agreed to before purchases are invalid in Adobe vs Joshua Christensen.


e17373  No.16506488

>>16506479

>>16506481

You're just playing semantics. ESRB popped into existing is because the government threatened to step in. Loss of profits is what he's referring to in his post. If the vidya industry can't regulate itself to the governments liking the government will regulate themselves for them.


8dc6ee  No.16506492

>>16506381

>>16506386

Try actually reading the post next time.


78c08e  No.16506506

File: 4ac8ceae7bed1ac⋯.gif (813.92 KB, 300x225, 4:3, 1428694984922.gif)

>>16506175

If this passes I'm gonna be reporting shitty Chinese and Korean MMOs for months.


8dc6ee  No.16506515

>>16506506

I already report spam them for having tits. Feels good using their own weapons against them.


6425af  No.16506520

>>16506006

lmao retarded reddit jewmer thinks he is smart here.


6425af  No.16506528

>>16506014

you could talk to the lawmakers, the man proposing this law had input from thousands of gaming youtubers, everyone was interviewing him. the only reason why his lootbox definition was concise was because they talked to him.

You have to be involved instead of kvetching like a jew shoaing in the shadows. Hell you are using that vivian wrong, gaymergoy.


fe4f45  No.16506539

>>16506406

>There is literally no need for a physical piece of media to recognize and end user as owner of software

>>16506443

>No, what I am saying is that purchased software does not need to be tied to a corresponding piece of physical media to recognize the end user as owner of the software.

I thought I understood what you were saying but now I am not so sure. For the record I agree there is no need for software to recognize the end user as the owner. I am also ok with not buying that software that phones home or has some sort of protection on it to prevent me from using it in the future.

I just do not think we need a law to regulate it away. If someone wants to pay a sub fee and own nothing at the end of the softwares life they are foolish but I do not buy that they were tricked in to it.

>>16506470

>The game must be shut down in the mean time.

Can you tell me where in the proposed law this was written or is this your hypothetical to my hypothetical? If you are saying this is what you would expect then i disagree as there is no precedent of this in the software industry.

It is not unusual for software companies to push updates and break software crippling an company of agency. That is why they have license agreements not to protect you but themselves from being on the hook for having destroyed your data or cost you money.

>>16506470

>You seem to be missing a critical detail. The reason the companies get to continue existing is because they have to cease doing the illegal activity you retard.

No anon, I just provided an example of them walking with a fine unfortunatly i could not find any examples of software companies actually breaking any laws and being fined. Think about that. what law did they break by installing the bitcoin miner? For that matter Is it illegal to put a virus in your software? Some old games with early DRM might surprise you how about installing bitcoin miners on someones machine. At most the person thrown under the bus behaved badly. Certainly if they did it again and got caught there might be more scrutiny the second or third time. That is why i expect there will not be a big investigation where software is concerned short of them installing some spyware that gives them copies of every keystroke a congressman makes on their keyboard. They do not care until it happens to them but they do want to appear to care and so they will throw you a bone like this law that essentially does nothing but ban children who do not have a means to purchase an in game items without their parents help in the first place.


f83a3b  No.16506540

>through content otherwise available within the game

So basically they just add a little sticker that indicates it was purchased and that makes it kosher since the sticker isn't available when you earn it through progression.

Also

>Doesn't apply to cosmetics

Still a good start. Between this and the trade war that crash is getting closer and closer and I can't fucking wait. Also the weeb butthurt would be absolutely amazing.


ea849a  No.16506552

File: 8c897a15f00180d⋯.png (205.77 KB, 697x768, 697:768, 8c897a15f00180d432f0d87b16….png)

>>16505645

>PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE WALK OVER ME BIG JEWISH CORPORATION!!!!!!!!!!!!

>AT LEAST ITS NOT THE GOVERNMENT!!


7c9da6  No.16506560

>>16506539

Okay but the issue is people, selling software, calling it selling software, doing literally everything to implicate that it is selling software, and then pretending it isn't selling software.


c2d7fe  No.16506561

>>16506509

>sweetie


ea849a  No.16506576

File: b6f87fb43c272a7⋯.jpg (165.64 KB, 742x720, 371:360, b6f87fb43c272a75e6a374b83a….jpg)

>>16505928

>better ban soda

>better ban chocolate and candy

>better ban fast food

>implying society won't massively improve if all these get banned


00e760  No.16506579

Take it to the Gamergate thread. Nobody cares, post in the containment general

I'm kidding, don't be retarded. This is great.


00e760  No.16506582

>>16506576

Banning them is not the answer. That's a bandaid solution. The only permanent answer – a final solution, if you will – is the removal is Israel.


ea849a  No.16506593

>>16506582

Kek, thats a nice (completely right) leap of logic but it doesnt go far enough because there will still be jews in the world.


e17373  No.16506600

File: ab93bb027f697a5⋯.jpg (75.34 KB, 512x480, 16:15, gaea_rage_by_aghabiyasa-d9….jpg)

>>16506485

>9th Circuit affirmed that software that is sold constitutes a sale, not a license

That's not what happened at all. Adobe failed to prove it's "first sale" wasn't instead a "licensing agreement". The court case you cited doesn't prove that licensing agreement doesn't a real, it's that if the company can't prove there was a licensing agreement it constitutes a first sale. By the time of that court case there was already an established case for whether or not a license was different from a sale, which was Apple Inc vs Psystar Corp dingus.

https://www.courtlistener.com/opinion/614359/apple-inc-v-psystar-corp/

This is the courtcase that established the difference between a license and a sale and why companies are allowed to buttfuck you from making copies of their shit.

>>16506539

>Can you tell me where in the proposed law this was written or is this your hypothetical to my hypothetical?

It's what literally happened with BMW. When you create a legal regulation it becomes illegal to continue the sale until the issue is resolved faggot. BMW was required to stop selling cars until they removed the software causing the disruption and fixed the emission levels. If a similar regulation was created for the video game industry it would be the first formal government agency for regulating media, so no surprise you don't have any concept for this sort of thing. When BMW was caught every single sale became illegal and count as a crime until they fixed all existing vehicles.

>>16506540

They don't just add a sticker. If you have proof that a child paid for the transaction that's a single count of illegal activity each time. Disclosing you have micro transactions isn't what this law is trying to create, you can still have them, you just can't allow it in any "minor oriented games".

> If you are saying this is what you would expect then i disagree as there is no precedent of this in the software industry.

THAT'S THE ENTIRE FUCKING POINT. This law would create and unprecedented government entity for regulating video game companies for how they sale and price model games. Because once the law is created, the government now has to modify an existing agency or create a new one to perform the enforcement of that law. It would most likely be the FCC. No formal government agency exists at this time for the regulation of Movies or Video games, so if this law passes and formal government regulation is created in the video game industry, something will be created to enforce it.

>Think about that. what law did they break by installing the bitcoin miner?

Oh my god you mouth breathing retard, do you even read the cases that you cite as proof? Here, because you're a lazy dumbass, let me post what laws the State of New Jershey stated that ESEA broke.

>Defendants' conduct constitutes deceptive and unconscionable commercial practices pursuant to the New Jersey Consumer Fraud Act, N.J.S.A. 56:8-1 et seq. ("CFA") and unauthorized access pursuant to the New Jersey Computer Related Offenses Act, N.J.S.A.A:384-1 et !gq. ("CROA"). The Attorney General and Director (collectively, "Plaintifß") submit this Complaint seeking equitable relief, to prevent any more consumers from being victimized by Defendants' practices, as well as penalties, restitution, investigative costs, and attomeys'fees. JU

Read it yourself you tard

https://nj.gov/oag/newsreleases13/E-Sports_Complaint_Consent-Judgment.pdf

>For that matter Is it illegal to put a virus in your software?

Yes you fucking retard.


e17373  No.16506601

>>16506600

Meant to quote >>16506539 as well


00e760  No.16506620

>>16506600

It's also worth noting that Adobe is trying to say you don't own previous (non subscription) versions of Photoshop either, because their partnership licensing lapsed on the software or something


fe4f45  No.16506627

>>16506600

>It's what literally happened with BMW.

You can not just push an update to fix the breaks or change spark plugs but software can be fixed via an update. There will be no shutdown of software

>When BMW was caught every single sale became illegal and count as a crime until they fixed all existing vehicles.

good thing there was a law to prevent it in the first place….

>>16506600

>>For that matter Is it illegal to put a virus in your software?

>Yes you fucking retard.

They site the New Jersey Consumer Fraud Act, N.J.S.A

No where in that act does it address viruses or bitcoin. This is an example of an existing law being applied to something it does not actually address. You may recall I mentioned laws being interpreted differently than the original law intended like this, above.


f83a3b  No.16506631

>>16506600

>They don't just add a sticker. If you have proof that a child paid for the transaction that's a single count of illegal activity each time. Disclosing you have micro transactions isn't what this law is trying to create, you can still have them, you just can't allow it in any "minor oriented games".

In which case all they have to do is amend the EULA so it's a violation for a minor to play the game and flash it every time the game starts and/or maybe have an "I am 18" box to check like porn sites have. If they can legally demonstrate that they're taking all reasonable measures on their end to comply with the law then they're covered.


45accb  No.16506641

>>16506600

>9th Circuit affirmed that software that is sold constitutes a sale, not a license, and EULA that are not agreed to before purchases are invalid in Adobe vs Joshua Christensen.

>Adobe failed to prove it's "first sale" wasn't instead a "licensing agreement".

Adobe placed the licensing agreement within the product. A person could not agree to the license before making the purchase, thus it was treated as a sale.

>>16506631

EULA's cannot be amended after the purchase, and there are restrictions on what a user can actually agree to. I'm sure some faggot will mention online services, but that is separate from software sales.


e17373  No.16506645

>>16506631

Did you even read the fucking article you faggot? It directly addresses that.

>The bill would specifically prohibit pay-to-win microtransactions and loot boxes “in minor-oriented games,” meaning games that are geared toward children under 18. That seems fair enough. But the proposed bill would go even further than that. It would also prohibit pay-to-win microtransactions and loot boxes in games “where the publisher or distributor has constructive knowledge that any users are under age 18.”

>“Actual knowledge is a subjective test,” Campbell tells Polygon via email. “It asks whether the company in fact knew that minors were using the service. Constructive knowledge is an objective standard. It asks whether the operator knew or should have known that minors were using the service.”

>Essentially, if children can get access and play a video game, then there is a real risk that this bill would force developers, publishers, and distributors to grapple with the fact that children are playing that video game. And it would allow the Federal Trade Commission, who would be chartered with enforcement on this bill, to force those companies to do the grappling on the public stage.

So even if the children are "illegally playing the game" it becomes the publishers fault for not doing more to prevent children from playing.


8dc6ee  No.16506648

Notice how the shill IP hopped and is now pushing a different narrative, one of "it wouldn't matter anyway". Classic shilling cycle.


24b51d  No.16506654

File: 8eb9d5105ba6095⋯.jpg (209.38 KB, 1061x1500, 1061:1500, yande.re 540801 sample mm2….jpg)

>>16506175

>state-mandated good games

2019, what a year.


8dc6ee  No.16506660

>>16506654

>yfw senate hearings turn into lawmakers calling each others faggots with shit taste


f83a3b  No.16506661

>>16506641

>EULA's cannot be amended after the purchase,

So they officially stop the game, amend the EULA and then give a copy of the "new" game to everyone who already owned one with all of their content transferring while either banning or restricting microtransaction purpose for anyone that they know or suspect to be underage.

>>16506645

And because constructive knowledge is the standard here, they will do what they can and say "we're complying". Will it be painless? No. Will it cut into their profits and produce bad publicity, and possibly even engender nasty legal fees? Yes. Will it be more than an inconvenience in the long run? Not unless they try to break the law and get caught. The corporate lawyers for EA or Activision will get up there in a hurry and set a precedent and business will continue under the new model much the same as before.


7c9da6  No.16506686

>>16506661

>So they officially stop the game, amend the EULA and then give a copy of the "new" game to everyone who already owned one with all of their content transferring while either banning or restricting microtransaction purpose for anyone that they know or suspect to be underage.

That's fraud you turbo retard.


e17373  No.16506688

File: 0879371f7964c96⋯.png (987.07 KB, 1024x974, 512:487, DzDVCc0WwAEMTRO.png)

>>16506641

Anon the case clearly states

>but that Adobe failed to produce the purported license agreements or other evidence to document that it retained title to the software when the copies were first transferred.

You are correct that companies can not retroactively make things license afterwards, but this doesn't change the base idea that was mentioned here by this anon >>16506485

>that software that is sold constitutes a sale, not a license

This statement is blatantly false in regards to the court case cited. I don't disagree that it's not legals to make sales retroactively licenses. What I contest is that the court case in no way creates the idea that licenses aren't real. Again, as per >>16506485

>that software that is sold constitutes a sale, not a license

>>16506627

>They site the New Jersey Consumer Fraud Act, N.J.S.A

But they also cite

>New Jersey Computer Related Offenses Act, N.J.S.A.A:384-1 et !gq. ("CROA")

For the sections that would most definitely apply

>a. The purposeful or knowing, and unauthorized altering, damaging, taking or destruction of any data, data base, computer program, computer software or computer equipment existing internally or externally to a computer, computer system or computer network;

and

> c. The purposeful or knowing, and unauthorized accessing or attempt to access any computer, computer system or computer network;

You lying kike.

>good thing there was a law to prevent it in the first place…

Anon they fucking cheated the test, but everyone else was passing it. Yes anon, the law had nothing to do with literally any of the other car manufacturers actually passing the emission tests unlike Volkswagen. In no way were the other companies, who were forced to comply, forced to comply to the standard. Obviously everyone was cheating and only Volks got caught. Brilliant idea.

>>16506661

>Not unless they try to break the law and get caught.

<it doesn't hurt business if people don't know what you're doing is illegal

Anon, please listen to yourself. If, in this hypothetical scenario, these companies did break this regulation. They would have submit new proof each time a child posts a video of themselves playing the game on the internet, since that still counts as constructive knowledge. So if they got hit with regulation, they would be forced to either discontinue or restructure until they can prove that no children are playing their services.


f22aea  No.16506710

File: edeaca1b387567c⋯.jpg (413.23 KB, 1280x1380, 64:69, edeaca1b387567c3c9d250d66a….jpg)

>>16505788

The only issue I can see is the definition of "minor oriented game" is way too vague. Fix that and it's perfect. I'm going to be calling my state's senators Monday about that.


80ae68  No.16506712

File: 5003b559e9068f5⋯.jpg (68.08 KB, 1266x791, 1266:791, oldboy.jpg)

>>16506175

I hope this kill EA etc and stops the spread of the slanty eye bugman's influence but it will probably get Kiked one way or another.


45accb  No.16506745

File: 125228ae79b27cd⋯.gif (293.48 KB, 500x318, 250:159, Squidward-3-spongebob-squa….gif)

>>16506688

You are being quite dense. You are also missing the nuance of the case. Adobe was unable to prove that the companies Christensen purchased the software from had licensed it. They had no agreement with those customers since the software itself was merely purchased. It didn't matter if a license was included in the software itself, or that they stated that Adobe only sold the software as a license. Adobe needed to have documentation that the customer agreed that the purchase was only a license and to prove it in order for it to be regarded as a licensed product. The judge asks for the agreement, and Adobe's lawyers just shrug their shoulders and say they have no agreement. The licensing is implied. Not good enough. If you buy software, and the company has no record of your entering into a licensing agreement, then it is a sale.


bb554c  No.16506773

>>16506710

That image is relevant to my interests, what is? please not the akiba's trip anime


e17373  No.16506806

>>16506745

Again, I am not arguing that point. What I am arguing is that this anon >>16506485 made this statement

>9th Circuit affirmed that software that is sold constitutes a sale, not a license

When the correct statement would be

>9th Circuit affirmed that software that is at the time of transaction considered a "sale", implying transfer of ownership, can not retroactively become a license after the fact

This is all I care about, all I was arguing, all I disagreed with. If you wish to argue with me, argue on this point exactly and not

>EULA that are not agreed to before purchases are invalid in Adobe vs Joshua Christensen.

Because he phrased the first clause wrong.


e17373  No.16506838

File: 6f8eb8403255f25⋯.png (854.58 KB, 1080x1080, 1:1, 6f8eb8403255f25e14ba531faf….png)

>>16506710

It's effective enough with

>(H) the content of materials used to advertise the product and the platforms on which such materials appear;

ESRB describes regulating advertising as a "key aspect of the self-regulatory mission" http://www.esrb.org/ratings/principles_guidelines.aspx. If this were made law any game with P2W practices or Lootboxes would either get an instant AO or ESRB and the publisher is breaking this clause. (Since ESRB already has a category for "in game transactions" many games would be affected.) By simply adding this either ESRB has to change it's rating system or publishers need to abandon it as a standard.


abc520  No.16506853

>>16506838

Who's the Karate guy acting as Hitler?


40e4fb  No.16506858

>>16505641

I'm split on this. On the one hand I know it's a bad idea to let the government regulate stuff like this, but on the other fuck the (((game industry))) in all it's holes.


a57449  No.16506859

>>16506858

Same at this point they have fucked us enough times that it feels better to just watch it all burn.


ffd196  No.16506865

>>16506175

>yfw everything gets rated MA or AO

Problem solved!

>yfw screen recording is a bannable offense because it exposes minors playing casino games

Finally! An end to streamer cancer!


8150d1  No.16506882

>>16506865

>>yfw everything gets rated MA or AO

>either stores need to start selling AO games or lootboxes need to go

>if lootboxes go, the companies jump on the next cancer, but e-gambling is pretty much dead

>otherwise AO becomes normal and games don't need to self censor anymore

I'm fine with either.

Stop IP hopping faggot.


a3d332  No.16506888

>anyone ITT actually confident that kikes will stop other kikes from making money


657aec  No.16506894

>>16506865

M is 17+, 17 is less than 18. Console makers don't allow AO games.


6425af  No.16506972

>>16506888

>implying kikes are intelligent enough to start up industries.

you are fucking retarded, the yid is a parasite, it cannot create.


a6316c  No.16506978

File: d0470af28ee25bf⋯.png (404.52 KB, 855x470, 171:94, the future of gaming.png)

>>16506710

From my understanding of it, whether or not a game is a "minor oriented game" is mostly to distinguish between who has "strict liability" and those liable only if constructive knowledge "that any of its users are under the age of 18". If you're selling a "minor oriented game", you absolutely cannot sell games containing the prohibited transaction, but if you're selling anything else, the prosecutors will have to establish that you had the aforementioned constructive knowledge.

Whether or not a game is a "minor oriented game" is going to be a finding of fact for a judge to decide. That's not always a terrible idea in these types of legal situations, since giving a judge discretion to interpret a given situation means a corporation isn't going to be able to dodge the law by using a literal interpretation of the law (such as selling drugs as bath salts "legally" because you package them as "not for human consumption").

But the thing that fucking gets me is Section 2(5)(D) and (E):

>(D) the use of animated characters or activities that appeal to individuals under the age of 18;

>(E) the age of the characters or models in the product;

Either definition may include loli characters. Any gatchashit game with lolis in it might be considered a "minor oriented game" if the company is unable to provide other evidence that the game isn't targeted at kids. Naturally, in order to prove it's not targeted at kids, a developer will have to adduce evidence that the lolis are strictly for adult appeal. Thus, the strategy for gatchashit companies looking to stay in business is to ensure their lolis have blatant adult appeal.

tl;dr - The US government is potentially forcing game companies to make lolis lewder.


93789d  No.16507010

File: 6e0e826d12907e4⋯.jpg (1012.09 KB, 2160x1440, 3:2, loli df twins 2.jpg)

File: 47baec78581faf5⋯.jpg (6.2 MB, 4990x7064, 2495:3532, __mirai_senran_kagura_shin….jpg)

File: 1c7906faff631a4⋯.png (339.23 KB, 547x420, 547:420, that roll figure 2.png)

File: aefe5763f777d94⋯.jpg (161.97 KB, 1000x1414, 500:707, yonah_panties.jpg)

File: e3248d937b114b4⋯.png (852.4 KB, 722x1009, 722:1009, __ricotta_ys_viii_lacrimos….png)

>>16506978

>publishers get fined for not having enough cunnycore


e17373  No.16507014

File: 64a64f0c32d9727⋯.mp4 (6.91 MB, 1280x720, 16:9, WARIO_LAUGHING.mp4)

>>16506978

>(E) the age of the characters or models in the product;

>Defendant, in your game "Fate Emblem Heroes" you have a character named Nowi correct?

<Yes your honor

>And as far as any design for this character and her general appearance she appears very young yes defendant?

>Actually your honor she is a 1000 year old dragon

<Excuse me?

>While she appears to be a young girl your honor, she is in fact, an ancient dragon, years older than any human could surviive

<Well, in that case, I suppose there is no issue here

>yfw "she's a 1000 year old dragon" is now a legal argument


f22aea  No.16507027

>>16506978

> a finding of fact for a judge to decide

That's the problem. Chicago v. Morales held that a law can not be open to interpretation.


03a3a5  No.16507040

>Are you over 18/21 years old?

>Y/N

>Kids still play loot boxes.

Imagine my shock.


657aec  No.16507051

>>16507014

>Well, in that case, I suppose there is no issue here

仕方ない


999ddc  No.16507060

EAT SHIT AAA GAME COMPANIES


0bae82  No.16507063

File: fd66e8e73822cad⋯.jpg (13.75 KB, 600x600, 1:1, 789896899653956.jpg)

This is a terrible idea. I for one enjoy the chance of randomizing my reward via loot boxes. It's not very expensive either if you're looking to have a small edge over your opposing to team either as they too will have different odds during a match. This bill will only take the fun away.


b96c5c  No.16507072

>>16505967

People don't petition bills anymore, only corporations with interests in the law.


657aec  No.16507073

File: b9be1aa55c5c447⋯.png (15.5 KB, 606x168, 101:28, 2019-05-25 23_52_46-Aaron ….png)

Here's a funny thread with some nigger unironically defending lootboxes.

https://twitter.com/voymasa/status/1132294760364937216


0aa491  No.16507074

>>16507014

It is perfectly fine to display monsters and fantasy creatures naked.


e17373  No.16507089

File: 226d38a406f9d6f⋯.png (88.58 KB, 1720x1041, 1720:1041, parental_awareness_use_cha….png)

>>16507027

>Chicago v. Morales held that a law can not be open to interpretation.

Chicago v. Morales was an application of an already existing legal concept, "vagueness doctrine", established in Connally v. General Construction Co. Vagueness doctrine is as follows.

>[T]he terms of a penal statute […] must be sufficiently explicit to inform those who are subject to it what conduct on their part will render them liable to its penalties… and a statute which either forbids or requires the doing of an act in terms so vague that men of common intelligence must necessarily guess at its meaning and differ as to its application violates the first essential of due process of law. Emphasis mine.

Vagueness doctrine would apply if the average normalfag couldn't tell why Fortnite would be more aimed towards children then say, God of War. However, as cited on ESRBs own site.

>According to an ESRB-commissioned survey conducted by Hart Research Associates in February 2016, 86% of parents with children who play video games are aware of the rating system and 73% say they regularly check the rating before buying computer and video games for their children.

This could be used as proof that the "man of common intelligence" can make educated decisions about what is or isn't appropriate for children using the ESRB rating system. As I pointed out here >>16506838 This would be the most reliable way of cracking down on companies, with anything else being supplementary in this case.

>>16507040

>another (1) and done fag didn't read the article

Imagine my surprise.


4646e6  No.16507097

File: fb68be08b212a16⋯.png (527.97 KB, 744x558, 4:3, __hoshimiya_ichigo_aikatsu….png)

>anons unironically using the kiked word (((regulate))) instead of using 'restrict' or 'maintain'

Reminder Regulate is simply 'to make regular' in essence to make something normal, standard or commonplace.


e17373  No.16507103

File: d6345631ecdfca0⋯.jpg (82.6 KB, 300x297, 100:99, 1558298262984.jpg)

>>16507089

Though this talk of "men of common intelligence" makes me ponder the fact that most Americans still consider anime in all it's forms a "childish medium". This could be constructed that, given most people's reactions to anime, literally all gachashit are children's games.


405651  No.16507106

File: a023f7d5b22fb84⋯.jpg (89.16 KB, 625x626, 625:626, bait regrets nothing.jpg)

File: 21642ac13b36beb⋯.jpg (113.73 KB, 986x552, 493:276, keep the change.jpg)

>>16507063

are you trying to get other anons to post merchant pics?


d345f6  No.16507147

File: 350571c82a895d3⋯.jpg (10.32 KB, 170x225, 34:45, my_mistake.jpg)

>>16506492

shit. I was blinded by seething rage and pent up scorn against braindead lolberts and ancaps to read properly.

>>16506456

>>dificulty modes are okay to cut out and sell

well, it's not pay-to-win nor is it a lootbox, so it's outside the scope of the bill.

>>16506600

>license was different from a sale

>license

careful with that word. a LOICENCE grants exemptions to aspects of copyright. a (((LICENSE AGREEMENT))) is a contract which you have to abide by to get a license. Scumbag (((lawyers))) like to use both terms interchangeably.

Moreover, you DON'T need a license (i.e. copyright exemption) to use a piece of software (because copyright doesn't cover "right to use"). However, if you're presented with a contract before purchasing the software, then that changes things completely. If you're presented with a contract before using the software, things vary depending on local law and circumstances.

>>16506865

>M or AO

AO or bust. that way people won't even find out p2w and lootbox cancer even exists.


e17373  No.16507170

>>16507147

>well, it's not pay-to-win nor is it a lootbox, so it's outside the scope of the bill.

They're not outside the scope of the bill, the bill outright states that it doesn't affect them. For all exceptions.

>(B) EXCLUSIONS.—

>(i) DIFFICULTY MODES.—Such term shall not include an add-on transaction to an interactive digital entertainment product that provides the user with access to a new mode of play that makes progression through the content of the product more difficult than it would be without the transaction (as perceived by a reasonable user).

>(ii) COSMETIC ALTERATIONS.—Such term shall not include an add-on trans action to an interactive digital entertainment product whose only effect is to alter a user’s visual representation within the game provided that it does not, from the perspective of a reasonable user, provide the user with a competitive advantage over other users who do not make such transaction.

>(iii) ADDITIONAL GAME CONTENT.— Such term shall not include an add-on transaction to an interactive digital entertainment product that adds new content to the product provided that the add-on transaction can be purchased only once by a user and the perceived value offered by such transaction, from the perspective of a reasonable user, is not that it eases a user’s progression through content otherwise available within the product without the purchase of such transaction;

>(II) assists a user in accomplishing an achievement within the product that can otherwise be accomplished without the purchase of such transaction;

>(III) assists a user in receiving an award associated with the product that is otherwise available in association with the product without the purchase of such transaction;

>(IV) permits a user to continue to access content of the product that had previously been accessible to the user but is made inaccessible after the expiration of a timer or a number of gameplay attempts; or

>(V) provides a competitive advantage over other users with respect to a product’s competitive aspects.

According to the bill, it is explicitly A-Okay to sell difficulty modes, non-lootbox cosmetics, and DLC/Expansions


405651  No.16507174

>>16507115

>Why are there so many kvetching

is "many" the right word? i would have used the word "much"

there are people who belive this may be a slipery slope for goverment to enforce more regulation upon vidya

i sure as fuck don't trust the goverment, first they start with loot boxes and everybody except megacorps agrees becos loot boxes are cancer, but there's no guaranty that once the goverment has taken an inch they won't try to go for the mile

worst case scenario the next time they'll try to regulate off line aspects of game or even development

i hate loot boxes but i fear the goverment

it's like siding with muslims to get rid of kikes

sure you may hate kikes for being cancer and the root of everything wrong within vidya, but if you trust a sand nigger you're gonna get sand niggered


7c9da6  No.16507181

>>16507014

>inb4 mandatory anthropomorphism


c3ac9e  No.16507185

File: 315b6036e1cf68a⋯.jpg (48.08 KB, 1080x710, 108:71, sonic_ahegao_2.jpg)


e17373  No.16507191

>>16507174

The government could possibly step in more but I don't think the taxman really cares for anything that isn't money related. At most I could say ESRB becoming a government entity but that doesn't really change what it does other then transfer power from one group of kikes to another group of kikes.They couldn't implement any sort of restriction on what stories can or can't be written, what type of music is in the game, the character designs, nor what is shown since it's free speech and anyone laws that skirt around that (i.e. meme obscenity laws) already apply to vidya in it's current state. I don't see why they would start regulating gameplay that doesn't involve monetary transactions as, well, what would be accomplished? I suppose the biggest effect could be if the government somehow rules out legislation on how things can be priced? But I can't think of a way to do that. I know the general response is

>b-but they might grow uncontrolled!

And to that I ask, into what? List a specific example of what you fear could happen.


9b9533  No.16507204

File: aabc1637b4f26db⋯.jpeg (64.86 KB, 447x686, 447:686, 26A8BD26-6DB7-4F6B-913A-7….jpeg)

>>16507014

>>16507074

>make it illegal to portray monsters and animals naked

>They make it so dragons wear revealing clothing instead

>Furries are given basically free access to the mainstream conciousness

>Normalfags become furries

>"Check your privilege I'm a demi-dragon chimera beholder kin" becomes politically powerful

>we don't even have genetic manipulation or real cybernetics yet so it's just going to be lame back and forths between really lame people instead of something actually fun like cyborg knights fighting back against the actual transhuman dragon menace or some shit

>Just more of this shit

When does the dumb end and the fun begin again


015c26  No.16507206

>"muh guberment needs to fight corporations! if you're against regulation you're a corporate kike shill"

>actually thinking government and corporations aren't in bed with each other

>thinking this will solve the problem and won't bring about an even bigger one

Stay cattle, /v/


93789d  No.16507215

>>16507174

It's a passive sentence, so the subject, anons doing the kvetching, is left out and kvetching is a verb. On many versus much

https://grammarist.com/usage/many-much/


9b9533  No.16507217

File: 5743ea9eb52ff3d⋯.jpg (60 KB, 583x358, 583:358, 5743ea9eb52ff3d7a7d4db2ae4….jpg)

>>16507206

stay in stagnance or move forward and either make it worse or make it better.

Whatever you choose, choose. If even 1/3rd of my possible choices could lead towards a better future, I would take the active ones, and if it makes problems, no regrets, just keep moving on.

There's nothing to be gained by staying still. Make the world better or hasten it's death, both options are preferable to stagnance and constant suffering. "Give me liberty, or give me death."


3e2223  No.16507233

>>16507073

well, kanye did defend slavery…


015c26  No.16507238

>>16507217

>wanting big daddy to control your life

>doing something

And yet you have the gall to say "Give me liberty, or give me death." If you're going to do something then actually do things that matter, like organizing boycotts of shitty companies. "At least I tried" isn't worth shit if you're just going to make things worse.


9b9533  No.16507245

File: 46227b572c8097e⋯.jpg (50.7 KB, 720x811, 720:811, Avdol Suicide.jpg)

>>16507238

Yeah, with your mentality.

Shit gets worse, try again. You're a defeatist, so no matter what you do, nothing will change if you have any say. Waiting isn't going to save your stupid fucking ass. It's cowardly, and apathetic. You may as well be an eternal slave, because you can't even take a single step to change a fucking thing.

Don't pretend that you aren't pathetic. You're only a failure if you give up. Even the most incompetent can still make a difference if they get the fuck back up, and few people are the most incompetent.

I will have none of your useless, defeatist bullshit, dash it and quiet yourself or make your own future, you fucking fool.


bb554c  No.16507258

>>16507245

<hey man, I'm gonna shoot myself in the foot

>that's a bad idea, don't shoot yourself

<what are you, a fucking defeatist?

really man?


9b9533  No.16507279

File: 51b97c36d433ef9⋯.jpg (55.18 KB, 600x623, 600:623, 1334329164853.jpg)

>>16507258

It's ONLY a foot.

That's the fucking thing. It'll heal. And if the next shot kills the parasite, then we won't fucking die. And you're equating society as if it's something personal to you, as if the world is irrecovably crippled by something like this.

On top of that what exactly do you think will happen? Are you afraid? Why? Why go through life like this, paralyzed by desicion, cowed by your boss, you'll find that even a simple push can cause unexpected results, people in power in general are remarkably weak minded, backed up by money and who they were born to, not talent, not skill, MONEY.

When confronted by a man of sound mind, this shit crumbles like cookies.

Talk to people, learn more about humanity's survival impulse, work with it. If you get paralyzed by something like this, you're just as weak as them.

And again, i'd shoot my actual fucking foot off to kill a tyrant. Because it's only a foot. That's the kind of mentality, nothing to lose, everything to gain, that allows you to lose nothing and gain everything.

That's what courage is. You're SCARED of this tiny little consequences? Weak minded idiot.


bb554c  No.16507295

File: 31669d6aa4c4836⋯.png (292.26 KB, 600x517, 600:517, heavystanza computer.png)

>>16507279

You sound like a fucking schizophrenic. Why is the idea that doing something may make the situation worse so fucking hard for you to grasp?


9b9533  No.16507317

File: 3de9825d2f5f575⋯.png (467.38 KB, 480x700, 24:35, ass_blassum.png)

>>16507295

OH NO SOMETHING MIGHT MAKE THE SITUATION WORSE

BUT IF WE STAY HERE NOTHING WILL GET BETTER

On top of that shit will get worse. You think the level of exploitation we're going through has stayed the same? That's why we have these lootbox laws NOW. I don't think you comprehend that there is no problem that does not get worse the more you leave it alone.

It's because of fucks like you sitting on your laurels that we have to do shit like these lootbox laws in the first place. If more people were ACTIVE in dealing with this, we would NOT BE in a situation where we'd have a bum deal of a choice.

And we either act now and lessen the problems that come as much as possible, or we go your route and get fucked in the ass, AGAIN, because you're a little pussy fence-sitter lording the picket post up your ass over literally everyone else who are actually working on shit and being productive.

It's pointless talking further with you, because you are set in your lazy, petrified, pussy ass ways, so there's going to be no further conversation about this. I know you're going to respond with the same bullshit, and I'm going to tell you the same shit because you're still fucking wrong no matter how you phrase it.

You are

A waste

of FLESH.

Get off your ass and stop sitting in the waste you spew out of your asshole of a mouth.


a097bd  No.16507318

File: 622644c1a8696ea⋯.mp4 (6.05 MB, 270x480, 9:16, Jew David Shlomo Toaff goe….mp4)


bb554c  No.16507331

File: db33a9db43838ec⋯.jpg (7.5 KB, 112x164, 28:41, smug.jpg)

>>16507317

You talk a very big game. Again, why can't comprehend that instead of doing something that can end up making everything worse, you just instead do stuff that won't?


cd4269  No.16507337

>>16505645

these fucked up games need to be regulated. RNG based loot box shit is unethical as hell.


9b9533  No.16507338

>>16507331

Since you did as I said, I rest my case.


10008b  No.16507344

>>16507073

More like Aaron Soymas


9b9533  No.16507347

>>16507337

Yep, fuck em. They're gambling with no returns, and make way too much money off of kids and addicts, because that's who they're specifically targeting, same as any vice industry, and the reason why vice industries are regulated.

There is literally no reason to NOT regulate it.


d345f6  No.16507354

>>16507295

The bill in its current form isn't harmful at all. What do you suggest as a better alternative to rid us of the p2w and lootbox cancer?

<voting with your wallet doesn't work when you're outnumbered 1-1000 by niggercattle

<if you try to raise awareness among niggercattle you'll be promptly accused of being a "troll" or "hater", be told "it's optional, you can still win without paying" and "don't like don't buy", or "but muh poor f2p game/AAA industry needs lootboxes/p2w so I'll tolerate 'em", and be banned

>Why is the idea that doing something may make the situation worse so fucking hard for you to grasp?

You're assuming it will lead to worse things. It may or it may not; you can't take that for granted. Moreover, the problem may grow worse on its own if you don't do anything at all.

To tell the truth, I actually agree with you. I'd rather lootboxes be covered by existing online gambling legislation rather than a new bill be passed. As for P2W, you'd still need a law to forbid it or something.


195c3a  No.16507358

>>16505985

Interestingly the existence of a physical product and a second-hand market actually make the case to call it gambling stronger, because it means the product has market value. Remember that the common law concept of gambling has 3 parts: You (A) pay for (B) a chance at (C) something of value.

McDonald's Monopoly and similar chance-based contests have to let you get pieces for free ("No purchase necessary.") to avoid part A. Video game lootboxes are far more cunning, in that they do something no gambling operation has previously thought of, which is to avoid part C by making the prizes worthless. Truly the work of exceptionally kosher Jews (or perhaps more accurately, extreme goyim).

If you actually owned the prizes and could sell them, that would make it actual gambling under existing law. This is not evenly enforced, but it's not unenforced, either: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skin_gambling#Legal_actions


a4dcb7  No.16507371

>>16506081

Here's a question: How do we identify underage users in online games? More importantly how do we verify a user's age without having then provide some form of identification like a bank account or state ID to the corporation?


657aec  No.16507394

>>16507238

>things that matter, like organizing boycotts of shitty companies

>implying boycotts matter when they get all their money from whales

Corporations are capable of just as much evil as governments. We need to strike a balance, and letting corporations exploit addicts is balanced too far in their favor.


9b9533  No.16507403

File: 80870d985fdcdd8⋯.png (691.66 KB, 1250x1750, 5:7, guess they'll die.png)

>>16507073

Alex "Lootboxes are the perfect shape for your coffin" Alex

Alex "Pay you no dime to commit a federal crime" Alex

Alex "Sell me a cosmetic and red will be your aesthetic" Alex

Alex "take my gun camo and i'll make you a soprano" Alex

Alex "give me good games or no one will remember your brand names" Alex

Alex "fuck off with that microtransaction or your existence will be an abstraction" Alex

Alex "Fuck your phone game i'll beat you til your dick's lame" Alex

Alex "I'm really fucking tired of this shit" Alex


c99747  No.16507406

>>16505919

Yeah lets just remove all regulation from medical industries so that my bribes cannot be prosecuted at all. Enjoy your opiate addictions of the free market.


e17373  No.16507409

>>16507371

>How do we identify underage users in online games?

As constructed in the bill, "constructive knowledge" is that you can plainly see users who are underaged. Say hypothetically Minecraft had lootboxes. Any child posting a Minecraft let's play mentioning his age is proof that Minecraft is not doing enough to prevent children from playing the game, thus it is now on Microsoft to either.

A.) Change procedures so that children can't play and lootboxes stay

B.) Remove lootboxes

If they go the route of A., something similar to

>having then provide some form of identification like a bank account or state ID to the corporation?

This would occur where you have to provide legal proof of age to companies to play games that have lootboxes in them. This would most likely be in the act of linking a bank account as you say.

What this law does itsn't remove lootboxes as a pay model, it forces companies to make a choice between

>having a game aimed at children but it must have zero lootbox/p2w elements

or

>have a game with lootboxes that must prevent children from playing it with such ID restrictions and they all become AO games (important for in store sales)

The gamble here is whether or not this would force most companies to stick to their guns and keep lootboxes but lose a huge portion of the playerbase, but since most money gained from lootboxes would be from whales this wouldn't matter much other than hurting the recruitment of whales. Games that do have an initial cost would probably rely on removing lootboxes instead.

Again, remember, the bill isn't to make lootboxes illegal. It's to restrict children's access to them.

Again, this is all hypothetical though.


a4dcb7  No.16507471

>>16507409

I figure lootboxes will be here to stay. Judging with how lazy and greedy corporations are. They will most likely choose the route of demanding a paper trail as well as establishing digital identity and ending anonymity online. Corporations, on one hand, will lose cash from gambling addicted chilluns stealing mom's credit card. On the other hand they will get adult gambling addicts willing to provide their legal paper trail to everything they own. That has value in itself. Google makes money off of your digital identity and personal information for example.

So I can see value in requiring identification to play any game online with microtransactions and loot boxes in the future. That personal data is a commodity to exchange between other companies. Personal information can and will become another form of capital to game companies. I wish the US could write in better privacy laws first before passing this bill. We do need better legal digital privacy protection.


4d3368  No.16507482

>>16505645

Always guaranteed replies.


4df2f0  No.16507485

>>16505711

If this becomes a bill, the ESRB will HAVE to restructure its ratings. Shit like Cawadody and Battlefront II will be labeled as AO if only to defend companies so they can legally say "well little Johnny never should've had his paws on it—it's an AO game". They won't be left with any other recourse unless they seriously want to pay out the nose for every single time some 12 year old brat touches the sticks on a lootbox-enabled game.

This is going to set parent groups on fire, and brick n'mortars won't know what the fuck to do with the new system. This is gonna be great.

>You lived long enough to see AO ratings actually be implemented on the Censorstation and TranXbox


a4dcb7  No.16507493

>>16507485

ESRB to become a legally enforcing agency like CERO then?


93789d  No.16507494

>>16507493

>>16507485

https://www.cero.gr.jp/en/publics/index/3/

>CERO is operated independently of any specific corporation or organization for the sake of fairness.

>CERO was accredited as a specified nonprofit corporation by the Tokyo Metropolitan Government in December 2003.

I don't know what this entails about CERO's legal authority, if any.


7b6cc2  No.16507500

>>16505645

Citizen interference with government and corporations always is, however.


00e760  No.16507504

>>16507494

it has legal authority if (((they))) want it to.

look at the federal reserve. its a private corporation that runs the goddamn NA economy


e17373  No.16507522

>>16507504

I don't think you understand what legal authority is anon.


e17373  No.16507527

File: 3bd2c63abeb0308⋯.png (96.23 KB, 513x411, 171:137, brainless.png)

>>16507521

Hey pal, think you forget to switch threads for your Other M post.


e17373  No.16507531

File: 129a6831fbef523⋯.png (48.7 KB, 1782x276, 297:46, Anon's shame.png)

>>16507521

Oh no faggot that's not how that works.


a4dcb7  No.16507532

Ignore my last post. Some fuckery happened.

>>16507494

CERO Z is the only rating where you need state ID to purchase the product. I think CERO Z is banned from most digital stores because of the steps of identification. Anyone know if you can get CERO Z items shipped at least?


a4dcb7  No.16507535

>>16507527

>>16507531

Yes, my mistake. Sorry about that.


e17373  No.16507536

File: 6916bd5f211a0e1⋯.png (124.22 KB, 680x680, 1:1, Ackchyually.png)

>>16507532

>CERO Z is the only rating where you need state ID to purchase the product.

That doesn't mean it has legal authority though. It's the same in the states where ESRB isn't a government agency, but it has an agreement with corporations like Walmart that you can't sell M-rated games to people who are younger than 17 and they outright refuse to stock AO. It's not illegal for Walmart to completely ignore ESRB and try to sell AO games or not ask for ID, but it would affect Walmarts contractual obligations. A completely different concept. Similar rules must apply for CERO.


93789d  No.16507538

>>16507532

What I'm confused about CERO Z and CERO's legal authority is, does that rule come from CERO or the stores/retailers/publishers/etc? If it's from CERO, then that means it does have legal authority right? But if it's merely stores deciding that they want proof of ID, then that means CERO doesn't have legal authority.


08beb7  No.16507541

They ban loli, might as well ban loot boxes.


00e760  No.16507543

>>16507522

Democracy is a sham and only serves Jewish interests. Legal systems are an extension of government and any public authority simply doesn't exist. prove me wrong.


535b5d  No.16507547

>>16507540

whats your logic on that mate, how does it make them jewier


e17373  No.16507562

File: 59c5d4263baf23c⋯.gif (3.02 MB, 320x240, 4:3, airsausage.gif)

>>16507538

It's contractual agreements between game developers and stores on how they stock and sell video games. I don't know how CERO works, but I do know how ESRB works, and have to assume that because the two entities are both non-profit self-regulatory companies for the purpose of rating media that they must act similar in some fashion. As I've stated here >>16507536 ESRB affects stores ability to sell games but not in the way you think. Taken from ESRBs website,

>Although it does not have the legal authority to implement or enforce retailer sales policies with respect to video games, the ESRB works closely with retailers to: a) provide in-store signage which explains the rating system; b) support their store policies pertaining to the sale or rental of Mature-rated games to minors; and c) help educate and train store associates and employees with regard to the rating system.

CERO Z requiring state ID is the exact same as ESRB M requiring stores to check for ID. It's a self-regulatory practice so daddy government doesn't anally ream the video game industry for itself for failing to protect children.

>>16507543

Again I don't think you understand what legal authority is. What do you think it is?


a4dcb7  No.16507570

>>16507536

Japan has different laws then we do so I'm not sure about the specifics. Japan does have a censorship code that bans dismemberment from public broadcast and games. Not sure of the details. Though no surprise on the ratings pact at retail. Unlike the USA where games are sold in mega store chains Japan has a lot of mom and pop stores. As for online store spaces those are curated by platform holders: Nintendo, Sony, Apple, Google, etc. Those platforms ban the publishing of CERO Z by default.

>>16507538

Rough search just say that you need ID to buy CERO Z games. As to whether or not it's by law or contract I'm still looking.


93789d  No.16507578

File: c0be24d2e339980⋯.jpg (1.45 MB, 1544x1618, 772:809, anon_2.jpg)

>>16507536

>>16507562

Thanks I understood how the ERSB worked, but because the word legal and the hard ID requirement for CERO Z as opposed to the soft ID check for ERSB M I got confused. It's cleared up now.


51efe6  No.16507618

File: 9eadf6c8cc138bf⋯.png (198.46 KB, 457x472, 457:472, Concerns.png)

>>16507585

>>16507597

>a bot enters the thread

What a (((coincidence))).


93789d  No.16507621

>>16507618

It's schizoanon


9ab296  No.16507671

>>16507647

Anon you need to at least try to have some cohesion in your writing.

You randomly talk to yourself on a fucking image board of all things.

>>16507652

Who are you talking to?

What fucking employment are you talking about?

Why do you fail to use proper grammar when talking to yourself ?


a6c02a  No.16507679

>>16507671

It's obviously a bot, anon.


d976bc  No.16507700

>>16507553

>Lootboxes will only become stronger

sounds like ebola


93789d  No.16507711

File: dd96fe8bdf12eb1⋯.webm (589.49 KB, 300x576, 25:48, old days.webm)

>>16507683


51efe6  No.16507717

File: 9e58da974977b59⋯.png (140.92 KB, 440x278, 220:139, JewWario.png)

>>16507682

>at least I'm not some jewish parasite upon humanity

>he says while trying to derail a thread about kike business practices being banned

Aaron Lawson is the greatest of allies.


a097bd  No.16507747

File: fe1ca26e7315cc3⋯.png (437.51 KB, 600x385, 120:77, comics trans formers.png)

>>16507683


f83a3b  No.16507809

>>16506686

>That's fraud you turbo retard.

No, you ass.

>Hey there stupid niggercattle, to comply with US law we have decided to remove all non-cosmetic lootboxes and microtransactions from [GAME] and will cease support for [GAME] in one month.

>However, [RE-RELEASE] will be coming out in one month and we're happy to announce that all owners of [GAME] will receive a copy of [RE-RELEASE] completely free of charge with some extra sprinkles on top and all of your progression and content from [GAME] will carry over.

>However, depending on your age (which will be verified through your secure and completely free [INSERT DIGITAL SERVICE HERE] account) you will be given a different edition of [GAME] 2; one edition is limited to a mature audience and incorporates our full range of microtransactions and the other is an all-ages version where some microtransactions will be unavailable in order to comply with US federal law.

>Thank you for your understanding and we've thrown in a handful of digital baubles and are holding some bullshit in-game event to make you forget that this happened and to keep you spending money,

>>16506688

>Anon, please listen to yourself. If, in this hypothetical scenario, these companies did break this regulation. They would have submit new proof each time a child posts a video of themselves playing the game on the internet, since that still counts as constructive knowledge. So if they got hit with regulation, they would be forced to either discontinue or restructure until they can prove that no children are playing their services.

MULTIPLAYER GAMES WHERE YOU HAVE TO BE 18 TO PLAY ALREADY EXIST AND HAVE EXISTED FOR A LONG TIME YOU CUM-GUZZLING IDIOT. Did those online games where you had to tick the box that said "yes I am 18 or older" to make an account have their doors taken by the FCC whenever someone admitted that they were underage in chat? On top of all that you're describing actual knowledge and the company doesn't have to prove a goddamn negative, just that they're complying.


d55dcc  No.16508003

ITT: Predictions that are definitely going to happen and there's nothing you can do about it goy


8dc6ee  No.16508164

>>16508003

Anyone got that "stages of shill desperation" image in the vein of the stages of depression?


4df2f0  No.16508201

>>16507536

That's correct in that it's not government authoritated, but I'm pretty sure the ESA can smack any of its misbehaving members (of which Wal-Mart is one) with its own internal penalties.

But as it is, the ESRB is not a govt agency, and the ESA is more a merchant guild and a lobbying group than an actual govt-appointed seat. There's no law or policy mandate present in either association other than the mandate that it exist as the stop-gap from full government regulation of video games.

It's why this is going to end up hitting them so badly. Because the situation's already become so dire that government has to step in directly toward those actors in the ESA that are facilitating predatory gambling techniques toward their consumer bases.

On TOP of that, they're facilitating a study into lootboxes that's going to essentially recommend if they likely get banned across the board some years down the road.


e17373  No.16508245

File: b4da0ae26330319⋯.jpg (68.92 KB, 442x626, 221:313, b4da0ae263303199fe5b874583….jpg)

>>16507809

>Did those online games where you had to tick the box that said "yes I am 18 or older" to make an account have their doors taken by the FCC whenever someone admitted that they were underage in chat?

There's no federal law that requires porn sites to implement screening methods for viewer access for porn sites. Any attempt on a federal level has failed to do so (such as CIPA and COPA). Porn sites voluntarily have that process, there's no law that they would be charged under. Now, they aren't allowed to sell porn to minors but if you have a card number you now have an age verification method. This bill would most likely require companies to collect State ID concerning their players to prove they're of age.


9e813e  No.16508306

Man I hope this bill passes so all the free to play chinkshit will get BTFO


1c7e71  No.16508320

>celebrating this for literally any reason

Absolute morons. I sure hope you like your fair worded, amazingly concise, not at all destructive bill. I'm sure it won't ever negatively impact anything, cause no market distortions and certainly won't do anything to either the price of quality of games in the negative.

Oh if you're celebrating because you're one of those "lol I hate video games, burn it all down" fags then just stick to the "LOL" threads you cancerous niggers.


9e813e  No.16508335

>>16508320

>wah why can't we do whatever we want without any government oversight

That's a pretty Jewish thing to want, don't you think so, anon?


159c5c  No.16508340

File: 2eeb729b4755ef6⋯.mp4 (1.36 MB, 1280x720, 16:9, Bully_(1).mp4)

>>16508320

>Absolute morons. I sure hope you like your fair worded, amazingly concise, not at all destructive bill. I'm sure it won't ever negatively impact anything, cause no market distortions and certainly won't do anything to either the price of quality of games in the negative.

If it kills the modern gameing market and brings quality back to the 90's more expensive games is a price i am willing to pay. Maybe they will learn to stay n budget and not balloon marketing budgets and graphics to save cash


ab50d0  No.16508341

>lootbox ruins gaming

<thats bad, they should stop it or make people stop

>gov make them stop and only stupid people now can keep doing it

<thats bad, they shouldnt get involved in it

this is the first time i realize the double thinking of some anons here


5b769a  No.16508356

>>16508340

>expecting businesses beholden to shareholders to rein in expectations.

lol okay you keep on believing that

I'm good with gaming crashing for a while though. Gotta cleanse the market for it to come back healthy.


9b9533  No.16508361

>>16508341

It's not that government interfering in shit is bad, but people on here are used to hearing about abuses of power, so they have the mentality of not wanting the government involved, even if the situation actually calls for it.

And that's the thing, they should be involved on this one, just not much else, since it's a serious breach on decency.


159c5c  No.16508363

>>16508356

>lol okay you keep on believing that

Gust, Idea factory, Compile and falcom exist it can be done.


c99747  No.16508388

>>16508341

its just typical impotent lolberg whining


ea849a  No.16508463

File: da7b8a65ac5e8bf⋯.jpg (53.75 KB, 400x358, 200:179, fb3a00d4cbe15f6b0e014b2aae….jpg)

>>16508320

>certainly won't do anything to either the price of quality of games in the negative

>because shit can get any worse

60 dollars is already absurdly high and games are none existent and its just engine demos at best


3e982c  No.16508528

File: 377f8cc2a1b713d⋯.jpg (170.07 KB, 1200x800, 3:2, durden.jpg)

>>16505645

<Government interference with video games is never good.

>Government interference with anything is never good.


8dc6ee  No.16508543

>>16508341

Notice how they never cried for the government to stop interfering with Ubisoft by offering them hundreds of millions of dollars in grants annually as a means to manipulate their studio locations and hiring practices.


c99747  No.16508556

>>16508543

thats just them (((stimulating))) the economy goy


cb16c9  No.16508559

>>16505645

Spoken like an Low IQ.


cb16c9  No.16508570

>>16508463

Engine demos. Very poignant phrase. Reminds me of this guy

https://www.youtube.com/user/gamewizdom/videos

But I think he removed the vid about how games are only simulations.


8dc6ee  No.16508590

>>16508463

>>16508570

I wouldn't really call it engine demos so much as a game of middleware Jenga.


45accb  No.16508591

A law like this will be passed at some point regardless. Everyone knows someone whose kid racked up $400+ on video game currency and lootbox purchases. The industry has already lost lawsuits related to this. They are purposefully stealing money from their customers. One way this is done is by allowing parents to set up parental controls, but separating inapp purchases from these controls. Parents think that purchases cannot be made without inputting a password, but that is only for app purchases, not inapp.


21a608  No.16508613

would mean better games.

Developing to avoid giving content to the customer, stringing us along with as minimal a value as possible, is a philosophy inherently guaranteeing a bad game.

The goal should be, "How good can I make this game?" not "how little can I make and still sell this game?".


8a387f  No.16508664

Does this hit paid mods at all?


e568cc  No.16508668

>>16505645

Video games must be destroyed in order to save them.


5e492e  No.16508702

>>16507406

>regulation is good

>the govern-man wuz making sure there be no bribes and sheeeit

Enjoy watching your children die while you're waiting for some pills that's being cockblocked by jews and their laws.


8dc6ee  No.16508707

Has anyone kept up on how many IDs he's hopped on now?


f3656b  No.16508726

>>16508702

>some pills that's being cockblocked by jews and their laws.

This is how I know you're a kike.


d345f6  No.16508732

>>16508702

Don't (you) have anything better to do than hop IDs all day?


5e492e  No.16508749

>>16508732

Look, I understand that trailer trash living on welfare can only consider someone against more government to be the same Isreali hopping through as many proxies as f3656b's mother hopped through dicks, but you need to think for yourself instead of listening to this other nigger with (19) posts making single sentence posts about shills because he can't handle others against government control and tax-payer cucking that ultimately will do nothing.


8a387f  No.16508770

>>16508749

now that we've reached bump limit

IF THIS IS THE GOVERNMENT CONTROL THAT GETS YOUR PANTIES IN A WAD THEN YOU'RE DUMBER'N'A SACK OF ROCKS WE SEND BILLIONS TO FALSE STATES TO DEFEND THEMSELVES WHILE DESTROYING OUR OWN NATION AND WHAT GETS YOU HOT AND BOTHERED IS IF LOOTBOXES ARE LEGAL OR NOT GUESS WHAT JACKASS GAMBLING IS TOTALLY ILLEGAL IN MY STATE THUS ALL LOOTSHIT SHOULD BE BANNED FOR ALL AGES BUT NO YOU DON'T WANT TO LOOK AT THAT YOU'D RATHER BITCH THAT THE GOVERNMENT IS SHOVING THEIR DICK IN A DYING KIKE INDUSTRY FUCK YOURSELF IMMEDIATELY CUT YOUR HEAD OFF RIGHT FUCKING NOW

ANCAPISTAN WILL NEVER EXIST WITHOUT TOTAL DESTRUCTION OF THE SYSTEM. PUSSY FOOTING AROUND TRUSTING THE PLAN AND DOING NOTHING WHILE YOU WAIT FOR THE GOVERNMENT TO MINIMIZE ITSELF IS THE MOST POINTLESS FUCKING SHIT YOU CAN POSSIBLY DO CUT YOUR FUCKING HEAD OFF AND THEN YOU'RE OWN YOU STUPID FUCKING NIGGER


c99747  No.16508774

>>16508702

>oy vey pump your children with these (((experimental))) sugar pills - I mean medicine so that you can save them

Should I buy him a lifetime supply of adderall too?


8dc6ee  No.16508780

>>16508774

Trick question because your tax dollars buy them for everyone else anyway.


f3656b  No.16508783

>>>/v/16508749

>trailer trash

(((you)))

>living on welfare

<you're waiting for some pills that's being cockblocked by jews and their laws.

>living on welfare


5e492e  No.16508786

>>16508770

tl;dr I skipped most of your redtext

>DOING NOTHING WHILE YOU WAIT FOR THE GOVERNMENT TO MINIMIZE ITSELF

I'm not a burger, nor an euro or jew, get fucked and please, go ahead and dig your own grave a bit deeper.

>>16508774

Of course, at 5000% the markup because competition needs millions of dollars worth of licenses and permits to even begin working thanks to your jewish lawmakers :^)!


8a387f  No.16508792

>>16508786

then why the fuck do you give a single fuck about hamburger politics you disingenuous faggot


9e813e  No.16508794

>government regulation is bad

>we can trust huge corporations and their lobbied interests to make sure that an adequate amount of lube is applied before they fuck their customers in the ass

What are you worried about, exactly? Give me an argument, I'm legitimately interested. As far as I can tell, it'll only keep the penny pinching jews in line, at least until they find a way around the law, at which point it'll need to be amended. Still, it's better to have some quality control than none, I don't get why gobmint is so scary unless you're one of the jews who will have the banhammer looming over your shoulder


c99747  No.16508797

>>16508786

>yes goyim we aren't fleecing you by patenting generic medicine and hiking them up by 5000%

>its the fault of licenses and permits that we need to fleece you

>never mind literal communist shitholes with more government regulation than your nation ever had manufacturing and selling them for the price of a lollipop


657aec  No.16508800

>>16508794

It's just lolberg anti-logic that says the "free market" will fix everything.


8a387f  No.16508813

File: c23b0f2b79e2f92⋯.png (335.85 KB, 602x989, 14:23, main-qimg-3d2bd9f3888b77cc….png)

File: 6a2f7b32ced0c3c⋯.png (45.25 KB, 800x530, 80:53, 1c7d34c58e1d8e0ffaa7f9daf0….png)

File: 533c13f1301c73b⋯.png (363.12 KB, 2917x2951, 2917:2951, 636619161803500467-051418-….png)

Here's some related info on gambling legality by state


c99747  No.16508818

>>16508794

You're not talking to organic users. Lolbergs are basically programmed cattle that exist only to serve corporate interests. Notice how they have nothing to say about government giving tax breaks or straight up paying companies just to exist and then companies lobbying to get even more cash from you.

They will only rear their head when its these kikes getting fucked.


6223f4  No.16508836

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.

>>16508832

>>16508826

JUST


657aec  No.16508837

>>16508813

Basically all they need to kill lootboxes is a one line bill that says "lootboxes are gambling".


8dc6ee  No.16508843

>>16508794

Classic Jewish half-truth bullshit. They accurately portray the government as a bloated corpse of filth but just conveniently ignore the same exact infection in the private sector. Also, don't for a second ask where the corruption comes from. They don't have an answer.


5e492e  No.16508848

>>16508792

I can't try to stop you cucks from setting yet another precedent that will come back to fuck you and/or your children?

>we can trust huge corporations

I've literally never said that you porch monkey.

>their lobbied interests

Do you understand what you're typing? The corporations that you're crying about have enough money to order the lawmakers around and the top jewish lawyers that ensure your law doesn't do shit beyond paying a couple of soyboys in an office to ensure the laws are enforced (they aren't, they just rename lootboxes to something else or switch the way they work).

>till, it's better to have some quality control than none

Every company is already milking the shit out of cows, and dumb niggers screaming at who, Senator (((Bernie Sanders))) or Brian Wu? aren't going to fix it.

>>16508818

>Lolbergs

Ancap, you inbred oven dodger.

>they have nothing to say about government giving tax breaks

It's jewish tricks that redistribute wealth to the top instead of the usual bottom (welfare)

>or straight up paying companies just to exist

Because your people reads about businesses going under and how all those unemployed people are going to die, then rally for big brother to save them instead of bringing the guillotines.

>>16508797

>communist shitholes with more government regulation

The corruption is through the roof and not only they can openly bribe government employees, they're encouraged to do so in order to survive.


c99747  No.16508850

>>16508848

>Ancap, you inbred oven dodger.

Thats one way to say an even more retarded lolberg


5e492e  No.16508855

>>16508850

Don't forget to clap for your government, in front of a security camera while an nigger-american stabs you.


8a387f  No.16508857

>>16508826

That (you) wasn't meant for me

>>16508837

Yes. Really there's many ways to tackle the issue and the proposed bill looks to be good enough to get the job done

>>>/v/16508848

>an ancap that expects the government to minimize itself and doesn't realize the only path to ancap is through total destruction of the system

POSER


c99747  No.16508870

>>16508848

>The corruption is through the roof and not only they can openly bribe government employees, they're encouraged to do so in order to survive.

Theres literally nothing stopping them from bribing in US or other western countries but somehow the price hikes only affects rich white countries

Gee I wonder why that is?

>>16508855

Better than clapping for a corporation that drugs you up, forces you on chemo and then charges you for fucking up your life.

>in front of a security camera while an nigger-american stabs you

Who do you think is pushing for these niggers through "diversity is our strength" you kike?


9e813e  No.16508929

>>16508848

>I've literally never said that [we can trust huge corporations] you porch monkey.

So then what do you think can be done to prevent them from reaming the common customer, if not legislation?

>The corporations…have enough money to order the lawmakers and the top jewish lawyers that ensure your law doesn't do shit

You're just trying to argue that the lawmaking process doesn't work of its own accord. Right, because law enforcement, the FBI, the DEA, and other organizations just sit around all day with their thumbs up their asses because they're paid to look the other way when a jew crawls out of his synagogue to try and make some shekels. If this is the case, then let the law be passed and we'll see the results. If they're not effective, then we need better legislation and enforcement. Nothing will be gained from allowing free2play chinkshit and other jewish filth to go unchecked.


5e492e  No.16508960

>>16508857

>expects the government to minimize

Let me openly tell you to do all this shit in minecraft, that will get you banned from minecraft.

>>16508870

>Who do you think is pushing for these niggers through "diversity is our strength" you kike?

Primarily Jews and women just think it's hip and trendy.

>Theres literally nothing stopping them from bribing in US or other western countries

I imagine lower tier government employees openly taking bribes would get them shot by random citizens or beaten to death by the few honest LEOs left.

>bribing in US

Didn't you have that bitch Clinton go to the corporations us goyim really love just to sell government favors?

>>16508929

>So then what do you think can be done to prevent them from reaming the common customer, if not legislation?

Whatever you do, don't become one of those minecraft raiders.

Or you know, offer some competition. Get a group of people, start your own company that either offers video games without the jew shit, or realize that video game players are fucking cattle and make a lot of money by doing the same semitic tricks and worse (it's money the jews aren't earning), try to go for the "fucking nigger leaderboards" and watch the current top dogs try to crash the industry in an attempt to take you down after you combine login bonuses, lootboxes, refer a friend campaigns, twitch integration and surveys.


ee63c2  No.16508970

File: adccb7650fa11ac⋯.jpg (359.8 KB, 900x900, 1:1, __cirno_touhou_drawn_by_ar….jpg)

>>16508960

>I imagine lower tier government employees openly taking bribes would get them shot by random citizens or beaten to death by the few honest LEOs left.

Get a load of this fag. Protip: Donate a few grand to a local judge to get off scot-free next time you do something stupid.


f9111c  No.16510019

>>16508970

>not having sex with the judge

It's like you don't even live in a hedonistic society.


c04c4f  No.16510810

File: 04021c46fc50e28⋯.png (189.59 KB, 543x436, 543:436, 04021c46fc50e2803e284dabe5….png)

>>16505664

>to a interactive digital entertainment

So they let physical gambling out? Random physical cards pack ban when?


c04c4f  No.16510819

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>>16505891

>he think this is threat

>this is what bootlickers believe


e7ed58  No.16511142

>>16505645

Yeah Mr. Lobbyist Lootboxes aren't video games but gambling mechanisms.


8dc6ee  No.16511386


c1f53b  No.16511673

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>>16511386

*dabs on you*


bfe56c  No.16513717

>>16505645

Fucking this.

Why do you retards care even if it /is/ gambling. It's not your fucking money. Gambling legislation is fucking annoying as shit anyway, bar/restaurants in my area used to have slot machines you could stick a $20 into to have a little fun, but now they're gone because retards thought it was "abusive" to addicts. Anyone who disagrees must be a lobbyist or a shill.

Why do you guys even play these games if you hate what theyre doing so much? You're literally no better than games "journalists" at this point. And if you use the "its abusive to children," argument, you should maybe consider the fact that kids shouldn't be playing these games without parental supervision anyway.


fcb8ed  No.16513799

>>16513717

>LET MY CATER TO MY ADDICTION OR FUCK YOURSELF.

Seriously, the fact that you are upset that your surrogate drugs are taken away just proves why its a problem. You are neither a shill nor a lobbyist and yet you defend these things like you own shares in these companies.


657aec  No.16513811

>>16513717

I care because a tiny amount of addicts are reshaping the entire gaming market in a direction I don't want.


bfe56c  No.16514024

>>16513799

>Addiction

Sure, retard. Just like how people who have a drink every Friday night are addicted to alcohol. I'm upset because it's people trying to indirectly control what you can and can't do despite the fact they know nothing about you, like you are right now.

>>16513811

The "industry" will always be fucked because it's run by corporate jews. They will do whatever they can to make money. Just support indie developers and, if possible, support free and open source games and game tools. If you want to take it a step further, /develop/ tools for indie devs and license them under GPL so big companies can't have them, and work to dispel the myth that free software can't be monetarily nonfree (consider quadrilateral cowboy as a good example to this).


657aec  No.16514037

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>>16514024

I don't give a shit about indie games. I just want my favorite series to stop being sacrificed at the altar of mobileshit, and banning gacha is the best means to that end.


bfe56c  No.16514041

>>16514037

Well,

Maybe you should stop being a weeb, nerd


657aec  No.16514043

>>16514041

If you have no dog in this fight then fuck off.


bfe56c  No.16514059

>>16514043

On the contrary, according to >>16513799 I actually own shares in these companies.

It's dead. Banning gacha won't make the jews go away. The only way to make the jews go away is to stop supporting them in their Jewry.


fcb8ed  No.16514740

>>16514024

Yeah, and your aggressive outburst and complete lack of emotional control as soon as the topic is mentioned is totally healthy behavior.

I mean who does not instantly loose their shit as soon as someone asks "Could you do that in private instead of everywhere you go ?"

>>16514059

Your addiction has already damaged your reading comprehension.

Let me explain it for 3rd graders.

>You do X LIKE you are on fire = You are not on fire but you act like you are.

<You do X because you are on fire = You are on fire and you act like you are.

Try spending some of that gambling money on education instead.


bfe56c  No.16515544

>>16514740

>"aggressive outburst"

>typing in all caps

>getting this heated over a joke about me being a supposed shill in a conversation with another anon

And I'm the one with "uncontrollable emotional outbursts" lmao.

Why does gambling make you so angry? It sounds more like you're projecting than anything else.


9ad35a  No.16516465

>>16515544

Your rage caused you to miss the word i wrote in caps the first time around. I cant pronounce it in a way for you to notice in text so i have to help you pay attention to it some other way.

Also, "no u lmao" is not an argument. Its admitting that you have a problem and are afraid to face reality. Addicts always try to dodge and wave around to distract from their degenerate behavior. You will need to deal with your issues at some point, even if its easier to try to avoid them. Try asking your family for help if they still talk to you.


bfe56c  No.16516860

>>16516465

"You do something I don't like, therefore you have a problem," isn't an argument either, you know nothing about me. Again, it's like saying anybody who drinks has an alcohol addiction. It's retarded and no person would ever say or think that unless they were on the spectrum.

Even worse, its like trying to say someone who plays video games is a video game addict.




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