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File: 7072608b6065277⋯.jpeg (330.91 KB, 928x1080, 116:135, serveimage.jpeg)

084fbe  No.16564875

>design a multitude of complex mechanics, groundbreaking friend-or-foe AI, lots of /k/ porn, really emergent gameplay

>only used sparingly for brief periods in the first two acts

what was kojimbo thinking? is this the game with most wasted potential of all time? what are some other games that were a fucking tease and ended up being nothing?

d39cfe  No.16564923

>>16564875

>what was kojimbo thinking?

Not metal gear again, I want to make something else.


02745a  No.16564933

>make massively online multiplayer game

>actively punish you for grouping with people

>until the level cap when you're forced to group

It's the most assbackwards design choice I've ever seen and game keep doing it, over and over.


41979b  No.16564955

>what was kojimbo thinking?

he realized something no other autists want to face: it gets boring quick and then no one cares about all the effort you put in


ce8c97  No.16565064

>what was hack failed movie director thinking when trying his best to take out as much fun from the game as possible

Yes, MGS4 is extreme wasted potential, if it had a bunch more levels and enviroments and VR missions then it would have been the best MGS ever, its a shame it will never come to PC or get a re-release with more content because MGO on PC sounds cool.. still hoping for meryl gear solid one day


b8407c  No.16583590

#KonamiDidNothingWrong


6606b5  No.16583597

File: 80ea9f9e4d19e8c⋯.png (52.78 KB, 152x153, 152:153, megastare.png)

>>16583590

>Implying

Kojimbo is a hack, but dont pretend like Konami isnt a massive shitpile as well.


b8407c  No.16583602

>>16583597

I guess no matter how you see it, two wrongs don't make a right. It's all just conflict of interests.

Both need their balls kicked in…


6e1cf9  No.16586319

>>16564875

Kojima's own scripts are mostly just character interactions. The settings and real-world tie-ins are all added in later by a team of editors that have been writing for the series for a while. Considering how inaccurate the weapons are in the series, 4 included (case in point: the M4 reload animation), I don't think Kojima is really a gun enthusiast, or really interested in the friend or foe interactions either. He's always been more anti-war, not interested in glorifying it. I think those are all features pushed through by the script editors. who had very little to do with the acts 3-onwards because of how little those had to do with the real world, setting-wise.


737d94  No.16586396

>>16564875

>MGS 4 the most wasted potential

>not the Phantom Pain, which was so gimped for muh PS360 that the team spent half their dev time just getting it to run at decent speed there, cutting out whole chapters of the story, and dog knows what else because lmaoKonami


737d94  No.16586404

File: 22ae067b142a569⋯.png (2.65 MB, 1920x7356, 160:613, konamianon on mgsv.png)

>>16586396

Forgot cap.


42bcdb  No.16586423

>>16564875

>design a multitude of complex mechanics, groundbreaking friend-or-foe AI, lots of /k/ porn, really emergent gameplay

What game are you talking about?


391b82  No.16586424

File: ce3687e3773a17d⋯.png (1.8 MB, 1645x1669, 1645:1669, sad Guts.png)

>>16564875

MGS4 was like a tech demo of various neat mechanics that never reached their full potential.


4ec651  No.16586487

>>16586404

>An anon said it so it must be true


1e6ff3  No.16586501

>>16586404

This all sounds plausible, sure but it's still outsourced. All it shows that an anon on /v/ is a good idea guy.


4d87a1  No.16586523

>>16564875

I think they’re all meant for mgo2


4d87a1  No.16586534

>>16586396

When started developing mgs5 it still ps3/xbox360 if anything ps4/xbone are enchance ports


4088f3  No.16586558

File: 78f2164a846f999⋯.png (199.22 KB, 600x338, 300:169, saikyooo bagah.png)

>>16564875

>what was kojimbo thinking?

<mai feeto haato

<ruukasu-sama wa doko desu ka

<ore no kao itsu shinemattiku jiiniasu wwwwwww

<hambaaga saikyoooooo


1e6ff3  No.16586571

File: a9946550f91ca97⋯.jpg (57.55 KB, 875x1000, 7:8, FROG.jpg)

What I'd like to know is, who's the saint who designed the haven troopers?


c14719  No.16586643

File: 0939dc7ee3cf9de⋯.png (666.2 KB, 940x703, 940:703, Maximum smug.png)

>>16583597

>>16583602

This is why I can't wait for Death Stranding.

>It is good

>we get a good game

>it's shit

>we out Kojima as the hack he is

we win either way.


a98440  No.16587449

>>16564875

>games that were a tease and ended being up nothing and/or much less

Spore… The 2005 E3 displaying it showed a truly groundbreaking game, unlike any other ever released. The excitement was so much that I even heard it was cracked before its launch. But in 2008, when it launched, we got a Play-doh'ed version, basically.


5dda72  No.16587467

File: 44deccefbbb3bcd⋯.jpg (79.31 KB, 500x280, 25:14, sad frogs.jpg)

>>16586571

>There will never be a complete game where you play as a qt Frog trooper with the gameplay of MGS4

>They will only ever be skins in mutiplayer or dlc costumes in games with worse gameplay


99f201  No.16587551

>>16587467

>as

>not with

You gay.


5dda72  No.16587587

File: 0d567e45810b623⋯.png (120.54 KB, 500x700, 5:7, frog2.png)

>>16587551

I just want to have a frog's ass on my screen at all times, Anon.

Is there a problem with that?


000000  No.16587630

#KonamiDidNothingWrong

>>16564875

>what was kojimbo thinking?

<Rape children along with Pedowood's leftists and jews

That is literally all that he ever thinks about.


c14719  No.16587677

File: 019c3745f68d8c2⋯.png (2.78 MB, 1185x1658, 1185:1658, Frog Soldier.png)

>>16587467

>>16587587

>playable frog soldier

This anon knows


052598  No.16587730

File: d9911ee235e5dc8⋯.png (239.8 KB, 501x374, 501:374, 06d6a04469ad1eef875c360a18….png)

>>16587677

Is this where kid Raiden gets the name "Jack the Ripper"?


a41adf  No.16587738

>>16587730

No, as Solidus stated in MGS2, he got that name for killing rabid niggers in Africa as a kid.


052598  No.16587754

>>16587738

Mate, the joke flew over your head.


17e268  No.16587951

>>16586424

I think the shitty thing is that they did reach their full potential, but you get to experience each new mechanic so little that you don’t really get to play the fucking game. It’s a damn shame because I actually love every aspect of MGS4 so much EXCEPT for how little you get to play the damn game. It’s like a demo for a much better game that was just thrown to the wayside.


c14719  No.16588153

>>16587951

I agree. The mechanics are so fun to play with, but you get fuckall to do with them before the game rips control out of your hands to play another cutscene.


ce8c97  No.16589491

File: 89dfca17b090e07⋯.mp4 (455.05 KB, 320x240, 4:3, Shart party.mp4)

>>16587754

Your "joke" fucking sucked and was terrbily unfunny lad.

>>16588153

Has anyone ever attempted to make an MGS4 clone? I know some fag tried to remake MGO2 but didnt get much done past a small demo, but if some guy took the mechanics from MGS4 and added way more content it would be fun


35a342  No.16589499

File: d52e3fa6cee1442⋯.gif (1.91 MB, 480x480, 1:1, autism.gif)

>>16589491

>>16587738

Jesus, you must be a barrel of laughs at parties.


c6dd33  No.16589503

File: 2eedb63903359c7⋯.webm (1.66 MB, 640x480, 4:3, indian space program.webm)


b8407c  No.16589510

Metal Gear would've worked all the same if it was all a series of Anime OVA's/Movies.

Every game with and after Solid is just one big Anime series in 3D with short gameplay moments. Without the later, it would've never reached full recognition today. It would've probably just faded away into obscurity like a lot of Early 90's Japanimation.

I guess that's the part I enjoy most of all, but gameplay-wise, it's overrated.


0cb388  No.16589512

File: 066f800c1a98f49⋯.jpg (186.62 KB, 498x561, 166:187, Bitterman disaproves.jpg)

>>16564875

>Have this entire arsenal of weapons in a stealth game

>Only a couple are really usable in stealth


4238ab  No.16589611

>>16589512

"You can either play the fun way or the correct way."

Why do developers do this? Why even bother implementing all this cool stuff if we're not supposed to use it?


8e91a7  No.16589616


ce8c97  No.16589644

>>16589611

to make it seem like theres more content than there actually is, in MGS1 you could use all the weapons at any time for most situations, once they gave you a tranq gun the game becomes boring. its more so the devs dont actually have to think about how to make stealth and action be both viable options, MGS is the worst because of the whole lethal non-lethal shit where you cant use the stealth non-lethal weapons because you cant unlock content.

Played MGS3 using all of the weapons, it was kinda fun, except for the stunlock bullshit


084fbe  No.16589671

File: 050089fba95f61e⋯.png (52.19 KB, 300x100, 3:1, 1466564960953.png)

heh, this is the banner that appeared when browsing this thread


6c14b4  No.16589681

File: 5285dd6462c249d⋯.png (1.3 MB, 1280x720, 16:9, ClipboardImage.png)

>>16564875

Anon Kojima hated Metal Gear fans and didn't want to make MGS2 and every game after MGS was a fuckyou to the fan base. Which is why MGSV is the best MGS because it was the final fuck you. It's also why Peace walker was so good, because it was made with the help of Capcom's MonHun team.


bf4023  No.16589684

>>16589681

fuck you


bf4023  No.16589685

>>16589503

is that pajeet okay?


8291e0  No.16589699

>>16586396

The only one to blame for the sorry state of MGSV is Kojimbo himself. Everything else is just Reddit trying to shift the blame away from their genius idol.


ce8c97  No.16589701

File: ea4202a3d94baae⋯.gif (2.58 MB, 416x307, 416:307, MGSV.gif)

>>16589699

nah bro, the PS3 was holding MGSV back, not the whole spending most of the budget on joost feet, rights to 80s songs and that faggot kiefer that doesnt even talk in game


0cb388  No.16589706

>>16589681

What about MGS3?


ce8c97  No.16589711

File: 44228cee8b4bcf2⋯.jpg (22.67 KB, 852x671, 852:671, MGS 3.jpg)

>>16589706

What do you mean? he didnt want to make any MGS games after the first one so he shat all over them, 3 isnt some magical exception because reddit thinks its the best game ever


0cb388  No.16589723

>>16589711

How is it a fuck you? It is a pretty good game


8e91a7  No.16589740

>>16589681

>why Peace walker was so good

In what universe was Peace Walker any good?


6c14b4  No.16589745

>>16589706

>what about MGS3?

what about it? MGS2 and MGSV where also "fun games" but they are still esoteric "Fuck You's" to the fans. It's just MGSV was more explicit and MGS3 was more subtle. Kojima despite wanting to make movies actually makes good games.

>>16589740

>implying Peace Walker isn't best MGS

TOPKEK


8e91a7  No.16589749

>>16589745

>TOPKEK

If you like mobage dogshit, sure.

I sure love grind the same missions for S-stat soldiers and waiting real-life hours for shit to complete.


ce8c97  No.16589750

>>16589723

it isnt as good as everyone makes it out to be, it was meh,it only became decent with the subsistence re-release


0cb388  No.16589751

>>16589748

>Story

I'm really just talking about the gameplay, regardless of the story.


8e91a7  No.16589752

>>16589751

>constantly having to pause the game to equip the right camo

>good


6c14b4  No.16589756

File: 00aea221334ab53⋯.png (843.78 KB, 850x481, 850:481, ClipboardImage.png)

>>16589749

>Snake vs Rathalos

It's not my problem that you have objectively shit taste and don't like fun.


ce8c97  No.16589761

>>16589751

>MGS3

>gameplay

Between menu surfing, fighting with the camera, the loads of exploits and shitty exploration, there isnt much to MGS3 that wasnt in MGS2. you can literally just equip a grenade and the most generic camo and run past the entire game silently


0cb388  No.16589763

File: 3808618f695ccc0⋯.png (362.32 KB, 550x588, 275:294, Goal.png)

>>16589752

>Has nothing but nitpicks

I can't help you if this is the best you've got to offer, but whatever, to each their own.


8e91a7  No.16589764

>>16589756

>the same tiny maps you have to play with minor variations again and again

>fun


6c14b4  No.16589769

>>16589764

>being innovative with a budget

It's almost like you never payed the game and are just trying desperately to be a contrarian.


8e91a7  No.16589771

>>16589769

It's like you're really desperate to defend a shitty cashgrab


6c14b4  No.16589790

File: a275ab3062a4dd9⋯.gif (1.58 MB, 275x155, 55:31, born to be shiggity.gif)

>>16589771

keep shifting the goal post kiddo


4567a1  No.16589797

I loved mgs4s gunplay and movement a lot. I honestly wasn't a big fan of MGS5. MGS4 had a few terrible acts, but when it was good: it was great.


8e91a7  No.16589804

>>16589790

Learn what that expression means retard, I initially claimed Peace Walker is a peace of shit mobage and I'm still saying it now


6c14b4  No.16589808

>>16589804

I don't even think you know what the term Mobage means.


8e91a7  No.16589859

>>16589808

Mobile game?

I know it's technically not one but it has all the main features of one (real-time waiting, grinding, all the skinner's box bullshit from shit like Girls' Frontline or Kancolle)


6c14b4  No.16589876

>>16589859

>hur dur you can play it on muh game boy

but that's not what a Mobage is you dumb nigger. You even go as far as implying it has microtransactions. Do you even smoke crack nigger?


2db344  No.16590146

File: cd2dc8d6bdb75b2⋯.png (185.07 KB, 602x705, 602:705, cd2dc8d6bdb75b2cd560c2ac07….png)

File: 84a4e6ec4be48ad⋯.jpg (261.41 KB, 800x800, 1:1, 84a4e6ec4be48ad2abc8c0fcce….jpg)

File: f108e99855a9129⋯.jpg (314.18 KB, 1499x781, 1499:781, f108e99855a9129115ad4ce76c….jpg)

File: f8bd7a1f811be7f⋯.jpg (423.49 KB, 1024x576, 16:9, f8bd7a1f811be7f5c15dd73366….jpg)

File: 3956d67a8560d52⋯.jpg (1.38 MB, 1920x2774, 960:1387, 3956d67a8560d5242f5106dc41….jpg)

>>16586571

MGS4 was a fucking fetish game, I think that's why I overlook the literal 8 hours of cutscenes as much as I do.

>You will never headpat laughing octopus

>you will never marry a frog

>third pic is from a FNV mod that never got completed and fucking died without anything but a couple pics released

Why live?


ce8c97  No.16590160

File: 15f1396837f5543⋯.jpg (355.71 KB, 1600x822, 800:411, frog soldier 2.jpg)

>>16590146

>third pic is a FNV mod

You sure it isnt the suit from MG survive?


2db344  No.16590199

File: 75c1baafacc7e1d⋯.jpg (168.93 KB, 1600x804, 400:201, 75c1baafacc7e1dc1a3c694f84….jpg)

File: 7acb6d6d19d78ca⋯.jpg (211.74 KB, 1600x800, 2:1, 7acb6d6d19d78ca74a6e26d21a….jpg)

File: 32e0a569a6c71d3⋯.jpg (317.81 KB, 1600x805, 320:161, 32e0a569a6c71d31cab544bc06….jpg)

File: ceeb58efc2eba5f⋯.jpg (57.8 KB, 483x638, 483:638, ceeb58efc2eba5ff713deb9fce….jpg)

File: 7ce0dae8677c463⋯.jpg (843.77 KB, 3840x2160, 16:9, 7ce0dae8677c463a83b8f719bb….jpg)

>>16590160

I heard it was a NV mod and I'm pretty sure that pic was from way longer before survive was announced.

Though it's possible that I was tricked and my memory is shit.


1b32e7  No.16590224

>>16590160

pretty sure someone did actually put in FO4 at least. Like I could swear I once installed it, decided it looked terrible in game and then got rid of it.


ce8c97  No.16590232

File: b931f5fb063fca5⋯.jpg (108.12 KB, 976x1007, 976:1007, haven trooper 3.jpg)

File: d1b0864e6eafa8f⋯.jpg (58.11 KB, 542x851, 542:851, haven trooper 6.jpg)

File: 894abc5e0d23643⋯.jpg (29.54 KB, 252x352, 63:88, haven trooper 4.jpg)


2db344  No.16590241

File: c899923a7ed6c5b⋯.webm (Spoiler Image, 454.02 KB, 1920x1080, 16:9, c899923a7ed6c5b561b615485….webm)

File: c981d03ebc647aa⋯.webm (Spoiler Image, 1.24 MB, 1920x1080, 16:9, c981d03ebc647aac8a0401d5c….webm)

File: dc45ec8028bf035⋯.webm (Spoiler Image, 3.41 MB, 1280x720, 16:9, dc45ec8028bf03556948dfffb….webm)

File: d2563cd29772801⋯.webm (Spoiler Image, 5.94 MB, 1920x1080, 16:9, d2563cd29772801f0283c2947….webm)

>>16590224

FO4 just looks terrible in general. I hate how NPCs look in that game, it's a mixture of shit textures with shit light effects.

>>16590232

>SFM

>good


2db344  No.16590242

>>16590232

>last pic

Wait, is that a fucking illusion card?

What game?


cc0b1a  No.16590256

Buy why are the frogs all female?


7ace07  No.16590261

File: f05bdc08b041f63⋯.png (185.57 KB, 1376x1529, 1376:1529, SESS.png)

MGS4 has the best gameplay in the series but the most retarded story.


ce8c97  No.16590279

File: 015ace9a40e5a84⋯.jpg (52.65 KB, 637x608, 637:608, haven trooper 5.jpg)

>>16590242

No idea


d23dd2  No.16590310

>>16586404

<Nothing but praise for Kojima, who had to be reigned in during development of MGS4 by the dev team. No mention of wishy washy development ideas either

<"It's all Konami's fault goy, so when Kojewma makes his next game, make sure to support it"

Sounds like fan fiction


87e4ed  No.16590660

>>16583590

Except not port the games properly to pc


ce8c97  No.16590718

>>16590660

why doesnt someone just rip the assets and put them in UE4? it couldnt be that hard, right?


49a6da  No.16590930

>>16590718

Ripping assets from a PS4 game? It would be much easier and faster to just make the models from scratch.


ce8c97  No.16590993

>>16590930

>PS4 game

no, ripping assets from the original games and putting them into UE4, there are already tools out there to easily rip models, textures and maybe animations from the MGS games


2d5772  No.16591077

>>16564875

the stealth element in MGS1 died the moment you got a supresser and in MGS2 it was stillborn cos you start with a supressed darth gun

MGS3 had the right idea of making supressers a limited resourse, too bad they last like a docen shoots and by the time you exausted your first supresser you have a metric fuckton of spares in the inventory

MGS3 also had the right idea of nuking the soliton radar, making it a limited resourse that makes guards spot you if you over use it, but Kojimbo didn't change the top down perspective wich made it harder to the player to spot enemies right in front of snake

changing camuflage was cool to, but it was a bitch to spend more than half the game in the menu

i like this series and it was my first stealth game but after tasting much better ones like Thief, Styx and Mark of the Ninja i can never look back on MGS as i used to back when i was first introduced to the genere


cd3d18  No.16591120

>>16591077

You're spelling is atrocious.


6828f7  No.16591169

>>16591077

If you remove the suppressor from your sidearm and put away the tranq. gun MGS1-3 suddenly get a lot better.


2d5772  No.16591222

>>16591169

it's the same as the Batman vision in modern stealth games

it's bothersome just by being there, sure you can be a hardcore player and ignore them but their existance still bothers me

it's like havving a furry tranny living next door, you may never see him, you may never hear him, but just knowing that filthy degenerate bag of aids is pozzing the same air you breath fills you with rage and disgust

there's also the fact that climbing a mountain top that everyone can reach bia cable car just doesn't have the same flavour as something like beating God Hand on hard doing the Kick Me chalenge


dbd2e1  No.16592099

>>16591077

>MGS3 had the right idea of making supressers a limited resourse, too bad they last like a docen shoots and by the time you exausted your first supresser you have a metric fuckton of spares in the inventory

Try playing on Extreme difficulty, the suppressors are much less prevalent there. Also using the radar is for fags, I never used it in MGS3 and don't regret it.

>changing camuflage was cool to, but it was a bitch to spend more than half the game in the menu

Unless you're severaly autistic and must have maximum camo index at all times, that doesn't happen.


02745a  No.16592146

>>16590261

The Cotton Hill legs on fuckley always get me.


1a88cc  No.16592156

>>16590261

Nah, the story in MGS4 was fun. MGS5 had the most retarded story.


131219  No.16592185

>>16565064

>its a shame it will never come to PC

We're close to a perfect emulation


131219  No.16592438

>>16586487

>I only believe officials!

Retard


ce8c97  No.16593466

File: 198cac1570a291a⋯.png (2.02 MB, 1920x1080, 16:9, MGS4 EMULATED.png)

>>16592185

it would be quicker just to rip the assets and remake MGS4, since there isnt that much gameplay segments anyway


02745a  No.16593478

>>16592185

You've been able to emulate MGS4 on youtube since day one.


7ace07  No.16593488

File: 3570147680804cc⋯.jpg (52.39 KB, 552x472, 69:59, 1444902185194.jpg)

>>16592156

It's retarded in the best way possible, like Kojimbo wanted to fuck up the story as much as possible because he didn't want to make the game in the first place but it ends up being hilarious. MGSV he gives up entirely and writes it like a movie, it's not terrible but it isn't very interesting either. It doen't help that the game is actually Peace Walker 2 and sucks majorly because of it.


ce8c97  No.16593589

>>16593478

>muh movie

How many hours do codec calls in other MGS games take up again along with their cutscenes?


02745a  No.16593594

>>16593589

>11 years later

>still asshurt


ce8c97  No.16593597

File: 90e279070224223⋯.png (81.71 KB, 500x500, 1:1, MGS4 Discs.png)

>>16593594

Yeah, all those xborts still assmad they never got MGS4


4d87a1  No.16593673

>>16564875

His dev team got slipt into two. All of they are trying to race againt the schedule. In the end kojima seems to care is the door knobs


4d87a1  No.16593677

>>16592156

Yeah, MGS4 is pure fan service.


4d87a1  No.16593687

>>16590261

It’s horrible way tying all the the storyline and poor handling modern warfare aspect


62bec5  No.16593719

File: 752308fe0e2614b⋯.jpg (215.03 KB, 563x673, 563:673, cute angry anime girl.jpg)

>>16589512

THIS

why bother putting 70 fucking guns, with great looking models to boot, most of which customisable with a modest variety of attachments, in a fucking STEALTH game where everyone keeps fucking telling you "SNAKE IT'S A STEALTH MISSION DON'T FIGHT OK?" it's like those porn videos that say try not to cum.

>>16591077

are you drunk?


87e4ed  No.16593744

>>16591120

So is your grammar


b91442  No.16595262

>>16589611

>Why do developers do this? Why even bother implementing all this cool stuff if we're not supposed to use it?

It's because of focus groups and budgets. To justify the massive budgets these games get they need to guarantee a certain amount of sales. You can't sell a stealth game on the premise of "you can't kill shit easily" nowadays without the game getting bashed by "core gamers". So they add actiony shit in hopes that people who just wanna shoot things will be satisfied and the core audience will just stealth


ce8c97  No.16595547

>>16595262

>You can't sell a stealth game on the premise of "you can't kill shit easily" nowadays

<nowadays

this shit has been a thing in every MGS since 2


9fc90e  No.16595681

>>16593744

>he doesn't know what the flag means

>>>/4um/




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