>DLC Fighter 1: Joker
>DLC Fighter 2: The Hero
>DLC Fighter 3: Banjo-Kazooie
>DLC Fighter 4: ???
>DLC Fighter 5: ???
Joker was released on (April 17th, 2019).
Dragon Quest protagonists are scheduled for Summer 2019. Summer starts on (June 1st) and ends on (August 31st). They're expected to be released sometime within this range.
Banjo-Kazooie is scheduled for Autumn 2019. Likewise, Autumn starts on (September 1st) and ends on (November 30th).
If Summer and Autumn are getting new fighters, it's likely that the 4th DLC Fighter will be released in Winter 2019.
As for the 5th DLC Fighter, it will be released in February 2020. Nintendo keeps telling us we will have all 5 fighters by February.
Now the only question is: Who do you think those last two fighters will be?
Joker counts as sega since atlus is owned by sega
Hero is Squeenix
Banjo is Microsoft
The only one who didnt get two reps is bandai namco
Tales of Rep is next. That or Dark Souls rep
Last one is a complete fucking wild card. could be a nintendo character nintendo wants to shill (like a Fire emblem case) or it could be another microsoft rep, or something fans demanded and nobody expected, like Geno, Sora or something of the sort
I'm expecting one more MS rep, maybe a Battletoad or Captain King himself, and a left fielder like, I don't know, Cooking Mama or some shit.
>inb4 it's a green kangaroo
Frank West and the Dragonborn.
After that shitty new game that's coming out, Battletoads is completely off the list.
Sure you can argue every series has its shitty one game, but Nuts&Bolts is nowhere near as bad as that trash pile is looking to be,
It wouldn't be the first time they put a character in Smash who had recently been treated like shit.
What if it's a Sony rep?
except isnt plantboi one of them?
theres only one left guys
And, I'm just here wanting Smash to go back to being a Nintnedo all-stars game, instead of the meme-fest it's become. This is just regards to the roster, Smash U has other problems that make me refuse to buy it.
imagine being this much of a faggot that doesn't want banjo-kazooie in smash
I would be fine with it being multicompany if there was a means to make it more even, like team Konami vs team Capcom or whatever but at that point it might as well be a different game entirely.
It's gonna be steve from minecraft
There's what we want, and what we expect and the ajustments we make to those want giving what reality is showing us. Drop your delusions anytime now.
Well, the best option is Kazuma Kiryu and Majima Goro as a single character as an alt option to Icies.
If anyone else on the board obsessed over FUCKING DLC this much they would have been crucified for it.
Fuck Smash. The MCU of video games.
You mean like the Capcom VS. series? I wouldn't be opposed to something like that because, at least, the game has a direction of where it wants to go.
Yes but with more than two companies sharing a whole roster. Think KoF but every team is a company.
a second Bamco rep and Terry Bogard
Smash was a good series until Sakurai had his autistic breakdown that started with Brawl and blossomed with Sm4sh.
That is very much an idea I can get behind because it still pushes the idea that you're going against "The best of the best", even with the third-party characters. However, considering how the game is overun with Mario, FE, and Pokemon characters (Not to mention it being discount 2D Soul Calibur with all the weapon fighters) that was unlikely to ever happen unless they start placing limitation on what is and isn't allowed (However, given the direction of Nintendo for the past…decade, I doubt that will happen)
I can get behind this.
It should be them.
Truthfully, they deserve it. They are huge gaming mascots easily on the same level of recognition as Sonic at the very least.
rolling for no more swordfags although I could see them doing Travis Touchdown
Are they all going to be licensed characters?
>Are they all going to be licensed characters?
What do you mean by licensed? You mean third party? If so, then most likely yes. They all but confirmed this in December that they're all from "IP that have never been seen in Smash before".
After seeing K Rool, Ridley, and Banjo make it in, I'm confident Goku is coming.
You know what K. Rool, Ridley and Banjo have in common that Goku doesn't?
They're good characters. Oh yeah, and they're also all video games. Goku is not
Travis Touchdown has to be one. My hopeful is Doomguy, which will never happen in a million years. Why the fuck do people want Shovel Knight in?
Gohan and Trunks are already in.
Objectively speaking, yes, they do deserve to get in. But Joker got in and he's from a recent game, and while Persona 5 is arguably the widest-reaching Persona game, it isn't exactly overall famous - at least not as much as other characters are.
I would expect Crash, but on second thought I don't think Spyro was as well received in Japan as he was here.
I honestly dont give a shit at this point.
I know they wont dissapoint at this point either.
All 3 additions so far have been great.
Look at the top ballots in the character polls, anti-steve fags dont think you're out of the water just yet
> but on second thought I don't think Spyro was as well received in Japan as he was here.
And you can blame that entirely on the god awful port they got.
Likely candidates would be Dante, Solaire, Klonoa, Geno, Sora, and Rex.
I'd like too see Eggman, but that's probably never going to happen.
Based off that guy's video all the japanese spyro ps1 releases were intentionally made shit.
Maybe that can change if they release Reignited over in Japan.
But yeah, I don't like this trend of characters needing to be either relevant or popular to get in. I miss when Melee gave chances to characters who were neither of those things.
Yes I am a Lipfag, but not the same one.
>All 5 DLC fighters revealed.
>"We hope that you will enjoy playing as all these iconic characters.This concludes all the DLC characters for Super Smash Bros Ultimate."
>Phoenix Wright takes the case!
You faggots already ruined UMVC3 with your shit.
Travis Touchdown might be one and the other, well it will be fun to speculate but I bet is going to be a Nintentroll like the fucking plant.
Expect more generic anime characters.
Nintendo's already said they will be third-party fighters from franchises that haven't appeared in Smash before.
You are right, those 2 being the remaining fighters would make sense, and would make for a great double character reveal trailer.
Crash is Activision.
I stand by doom slayer.
Dante seems like a cool addition
Never played his games tho
>Implying more than one Lipfag exist
Diablo has characters?
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>>DLC Fighter 1: Joker
It’s obvious. The next dlc will be Batman.
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Travis touchdown been teased for years. But I think the next nintentroll will be ether Toad or Toriel from Undertale instead of sans because toriel porn and plushies are big in Japan.
Captain price from call of duty?
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Man. I love monokuma, shame about Oyama having dementia.
Here's a quick impersonation I whipped up, I hate the english VA.
I was rejected from the cast because my dumbass came way too late after the recordings were finished.
It would have been a blast to do a tribute to Ms. Oyama.
Feel free to suggest a dmc game that I can play on a potato pc
That's a pretty good impression of english Doraemon.
Y'all know my boy Goku is next
There is one more character I want.
After this one I won't ask for anything ever again.
Gonna need sauce or I'm calling the cops.
Next to be deconfirmed :^)
Go home, Ubisoft.
If he was going to be dlc, they wouldn't have included him as a spirit.
that would've been ok
how do you apply for such roles in the first place
1-3 have terrible ports from what I remember seeing and are apparently better to emulate rather than buy. 4 runs on anything, it's honestly quite nice. If you have a ps2 or a ps3 with backwards compatibility, go with 3 and 4.
I think DR's English dub is fine but I don't know why they changed Monokuma's laughter from "upupupu" to "puhuhuhu"
At least the localization finally got people to stop fucking calling him "Monobear"
Wait, seriously? We'll only get 5 DLCs and that's it? What a waste. This game could probably fit 10 more plus echos. Hell most of the characters I want are villains but there's no way they're getting in without their respective hero counterpart.
>Jak and Daxter
Fuck off cunt. If they actually do something stupid like a soyny rep, it'd have to be someone with a solid history and a likeable personality that doesn't come off like an obnoxious douche with an equally obnoxious sidekick, like Crash, Spyro or Ratchet. All three could offer some interesting gameplay in Smash unlike Jak just being another hack and slash with some limited weaponry.
We can't have nice things. All I ever wanted was more Nintendo-only entries like Donbe&Hikari, Goemon, Ray MK III, Isaac, Ayumi, Excitebike, Chibi-Robo, Andy/Sami and maybe Goku&Chao (just to piss off DBZfags) along with a shit ton of Nintendo villains. The only good newcomer has been Banjo-Kazooie due to their former strong history with Nintendo, but knowing that Grunty won't be playable kinda cheapens things a bit.
Thnk you bby. She basically used her Doreamon voice for the bear, so it would make sense if the localized dub's voice for kuma sounded the same as Doreamon, and in a perfect world, they'd both sound alike. The game monokuma sounds straight shit, the anime one is pretty alright though, but somewhat off.
We still need a bandai rep and he's the perfect pick
You fuckers need to fuck right off.
the perfect bandai rep is agumon
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>But yeah, I don't like this trend of characters needing to be either relevant or popular to get in.
This. Newfags playing Smash now don't even realize that Earthbound's popularity and Fire Emblem's awful fame are because of Smash. Before that they weren't that popular or well known. Thankfully DQ seems to be a bit of a return to form since every idiot online is asking who the fuck they are.
Your shit has nothing to do with Nintendo and your fanbase is even gayer and worse than the Smashfag community. Last thing Smash needs is to have a spot wasted on some homo skeleton and goat.
Good luck, man.
That's understandable, I just had an autistic obsession with the bear for a while and sperged out when I saw news break of beacock voicing him. My fears were soon realized when I saw that bag of white guilt auditorily violate me with the godawful teddy voice from P4. I was expecting something closer to the voice of doreamon. I felt so uncomfortable and viscerally disgusted I dropped the entire series, only thing I care about now from it is the music. I heard the director dropped the ball in their last game, and he basically let the whole franchise burn and he quit. How true is that?
Wouldn't mind a undertale rep just to see the smash community get ass blasted
Any one have that delivery that a drawfag made here of link in a cheerleader out fit? Had a funny post related to it too.
>Fuck off cunt. If they actually do something stupid like a soyny rep, it'd have to be someone with a solid history and a likeable personality that doesn't come off like an obnoxious douche with an equally obnoxious sidekick, like Crash, Spyro or Ratchet.
Crash and Spyro are owned by Activision. Also Jak II was awesome you tasteless pleb.
I'd be ok with an Undertale rep if it was Toriel.
You need the gas chamber.
They already have too many pokemons in the roster
this, the mere idea of undertale in smash already causes faggots here to go into a mental breakdown, it actually happening would be absolutely hilarious
and i actually enjoyed the epic tumblrtale so it would be a win-win scenario for me :^)
Sans is a necessary evil to ensure that Steve's chances are dead for good.
yeah but dragon ball is for niggers while digimon is the white man's monster franchise
You need to loosen up faggot
Anybody else seen this Street Fighter 6 leak? It has Smash info in it. It was deleted from Pastebin but I archived it beforehand. Just CTRL+F "Smash".
You just want the fat goat bitch because you're into cubshit you furry dick eater. Eugenics was made for people like you.
Calm down buddy, don't want to have a bad time now.
>Being this butthurt over a dumb indie game
Real question: how arduous and long of a process is it to add a character to smash?
>Aryan master race looking gods are for niggers >Furrybait heaven is for white people
You're right lmao
Then why are niggers and spics obssesed with Nigger Ball while only whites and japs care about Digimon?
I said you were right homolord
>implying sony would loosen their strangle hold on any of their ips to nintendo
i would fucking cum if jak got in though
It's probably playable and fully animated within a matter of weeks, but testing it for as many interactions as possible with the game's stages and making sure it isn't broken makes it considerably longer.
Is it just me, or did they make Kazooie 100x hotter in the smash design?
I want her to smash my kazoo
>picture of peter gabriel
Oy vey I've been found out
thanks, I'm an actual retard when it comes to game development. So 6 months or so? Sounds way too long.
I can see him happening since Ubi and nintendo are tight right now
one is enough
The sad part is that I actually thought this could be real until I saw Shrek show up.
I wouldn't say six months per character. But development on the character is done fairly quickly. The rest is just testing. So probably a month and a half up to two months per character. Then the marketing team decides when to release them.
I have to buy a switch now, to play banjo
I'm still not convinced it's fake. You have no idea how utterly incompetent these current fuckwads are. All of this is entirely plausible, and when it fails it will still be our fault despite the fact they went out of their way not to appeal to core gamers.
Not to mention that they need to build a level for the character.
That's probably done alongside the character by a different department.
In honor of the Xbox Live Switch thing.
I got no beef with the Chief.
What makes me skeptical (other than Shrek, Donte and no Earth Day servers) is that Capcom would completely shunt their e-sports market despite sinking loads of money into it. Despite SFV's problems, e-sports was a huge cash cow for them.
>The only one who didnt get two reps is bandai namco
The obvious answer is N-WGIX/V or RX-78-2
>Forgetting the most obvious choice
White Devil and/or N-Word Glint yes
Crono would be nice, but there are already two Square-Enix characters in(Cloud and Dragon Quest Hero) so I doubt they would add a third. I can see Crash getting in and he probably deserves that spot more than anyone else. Sypro on the other hand seems like a bit of a stretch(were the Crash and Spyro games even popular in Japan?) Rayman seems likely with how close Nintendo has been with Ubisoft lately. However Ubisoft is incomparably retarded and may push for one of the fag characters from one of their newer games to get in instead. Doomguy is plausible as is Geralt(nips love The Witcher apparently.)
There are also my dream choices like Adol from Ys, Levin from Langrisser, and Kunio from Kunio-kun, but I know those are never going to happen.
From the leak:
>- Capcom is planning on vastly expanding the eSports presence of SFC compared to SFV, with ideas including biannual "Influencer Invitationals" (with social media stars, YouTubers, Twitch streamers, and certain celebrities, etc.) similar to Nintendo's "Smash Bros. Invitationals" to draw interest, deals with WWE (World Wrestling Entertainment) that would see the game potentially played at its scripted pro wrestling events on TV and maybe PPV, a "Juniors Cup" specifically for children under 12, and partnerships with other eSports leagues such as Blizzard's Overwatch League and Epic's Fortnite competitions.
They think this shit could be esports.
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Crash was very popular in Japan. Spyro not so much because his games got really bad localization changes that made them nearly unplayable.
If the Bandai rep isn't Gundam I'll put bees in Sakura's urethra.
Fine cancertales. You want a character. How about all of them as moves being summoned by Frisk's actions. Frisk doesn't attack directly but his monster friends will deal damage during actions. Simply put: Frisk pets a dog guard then dog guard rolls over damaging everyone underneath. Flowey will join final smash. Sans will assist in throws with telekinesis and beams. And barebones puns.
I always thought that's how Toriel would fight. She would use magic attacks while keeping her hands clasped by her waist. She would shield herself with a giant book and call Sans on her cellphone for her final smash. Sans would then blast all opponents in caught in Toriel's final smash with a couple giant bone lasers and probably crack a lame joke.
take the hunterpill
That's fake news, fuck out of here you Triple kike
Yeah there's more characters than Toriel and Sans. Papyrus and Muffet are also fan favorites. And fish lady too. I figure the best thing to do with Frisk is have him act with his monster friends as specials, aerials, and smashes. If you want Frisk to engage well he can use a knife for jab and tiltsm Though final smash with Flowey and Chara to reference Genocide Run would be more thematic.
>not being a boliever
YOU JUST GOTTA BO-LIEVE!
I don't see why Cloud and Joker are in Smash. Their games specifically are irrelevant to Nintendo, and in Joker's case, the series is largely irrelevant to Nintendo. The SMT1, 4 or 5 protagonists would've been a better choice for fatlus, and a character from Final Fantasies 1-6 would've been just good. Someone like the black mage or Terra. I would've liked the SMT If… protags with a male and female option
<didnt put uppity niggers like Booker T in their place
>hates niggers like Booker T and puts them in their place
>BTFOs cucks like Cody and CM Shart
>sends smarks into a spiral of pure anal pain
now this on the other hand is 100% based
A character built of characters would be cool if you wouldn't mind seeing a bunch of people popping in and out every couple of seconds or so. That could also work for a Rhythm Heaven fighter.
>Forgetting that the Wrestling Observer Newsletter is Triple H owned propaganda
Stop supporting the triple jew
Could work, especially since it's an item/projectile based game. I actually thought they could have sort of a Main (Sam) + Assist trophy like character (Max) with the latter just kind of doing his thing with minimal control over him, just like in the games, but being able to recall him for specials and whatnot.
My problem with Rayman is that despite how great it would be to see him in, they'd have to rework his entire moveset, as if they go with the platformers he's too charged attacks based while the 3d games make him into some sort of weird zoner.
As much as I like Sam & Max, they originated from a comic book. So it's not happening.
Can't they mix and match elements from both style of games?
>forgetting Triple jew lost to booker
Meanwhile Kane and his brother lynched on that nigger all day
>Triple jew lost to booker
Triple H and Stephanie McMahon were the death of wrestling.
>I don't see why Cloud and Joker are in Smash.
Because they're popular. At least Cloud is. I don't know about Joker but I assume Atlus wanted him because he's the protagonist of their latest cash cow. Unfortunately he's really ugly. Smash is more of a popularity parade or marketing piece than actual fanservice. That's why more obscure characters typically don't get chosen, especially not if they're third party.
I don't feel the need to ask for anything more regarding Smash Bros. at this point, I got what I wanted and in spades. Both parties involved deserve major kudos for allowing this to happen and it's only now I start to understand how stressed or overworked Sakurai must feel at times. He has a lot of people to appease with different tastes, preferences, etc but he simply can't make them all happy all the time. Everything is a balancing act, like determining justification for including a character or whatnot, who deserves to be in over others or if that even applies.
Best of luck to others. If Banjo-Kazooie was also your choice then thank you, we each helped play a part and altogether we did it, couldn't have done this without the combined support we shared.
Maybe in a different fighter pass, but 0 chance this time around.
She's an AT at least. And nopan if you abuse the lighting in old versions.
What do you mean?
Don't you love the current WWE product?
Knowing that this is a game made to be originally representative of Nintendo's history primarily, it is not great that this is the case. But Nintendo are big on the jewery and I'm sure that every company involved gets a really good deal out of it. I can at least hope now, that with Atlus having a character, and we've seen third parties with multipler characters, that the next is an SMT character. For Square I have no hope, but I like the Dragon Quest Hero better than Cloud's inclusion in terms of relevance to Nintendo.
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Who would be a better beat em up character
Kunio could have some his moves from his sports games and use a trash can for his smash attacks. A dodgeball strike move similar to Wii Fit Trainer's volleyball move could be fun.
I'm honestly impressed that these guys can still do any of that at their age.
one might be something stupid like the monster hunter or better yet geralt what with japan's huge boner for him
Kunio; he's had more exclusivity with Nintendo products while Double Dragon's been on lots of other systems
Also Kunio's proportions are more fun
I'd like to see them go the expansion route without Sakurai, but Lord knows they won't.
DMC3's PC port was bad but the Style Switcher mod turns it from crap into the definitive edition
I'd say Lara arguably deserves it more, but she wouldn't be a great fit for Smash and it would just be Laura anyway.
>he's too charged attacks based while the 3d games make him into some sort of weird zoner
The Rayman series already went back to 2D anyway.
Microsoft as a whole is restructuring it's business model to partnerships, collaboration and open-source. I guess that change is affecting XBox too.
I noticed how our standards of behavior are shaped by people we hate.
>"I don't want to be that soyboy cuck, who's complaining about female representation and gets excited for corporate product!"
>"I don't want to make bucks by scamming, because that's for inhuman money loving jews!"
>"I don't want to be like that black thug, so i'l never steal or rob a store!"
Its interesting observation of white european behavior to always look down on scum of the society, and then reconsider their tastes and actions. Now if you lived in ethnocentric society with no diversity, lacking feminism or corporations, would you be the cuck, the jew and the black thug? Slavs are perfect example of that shit.
I am me for I live out my actions according to my gut feeling and sense of duty.
>jumping up and down and screaming because you recognize a video game character
I will never understand this behavior.
How do you find which of these auditions are professional and which are just fandubs and the like?
The HD Collection version runs much better
You have that backwards retard. People aren't considering what's acceptable based on who they hate, they hate people who do things they consider unacceptable.
Anyone who wants Agumon as a Digimon rep instead of just straight up WarGreymon is wrong and doesn't know how to make video games fun.
do not sexualize the culter you fucking jian
Social constructs are real, even if right-leaning people hate the word since its misused by feminists. If you were part of switch community and consumerism, you would also scream at your screen for Banjo appearing, because other nintendo fans like you are doing it. Kinda like when leftist-leaning person sees hate of soylent from right wingers and starts chugging it down heavily like Avellone did.
This world is a wonder in terms of what stupid shit people do. Some even endorse murder and terrorism as long as white people do those unacceptable things. Mass shooting was generally despised here as long as colored people did it.
There's also general trend going on somewhere else that soy fashion is dominant white trait, and is used to insult whites.
>Some even endorse murder and terrorism as long as white people do those unacceptable things
Yes, we call those people heroes. Back to plebbit with you, faggot.
>developer of one of the biggest soy magnets this decade is shorter than a nip
"Under tall" is right.
Jibanyan or a Yo-Kai Watch rep makes sense.
Yo-Kai Watch is huge in Japan and Yo-Kai Watch 4 is an up coming Switch title. The series is also semi-recognizable in America as well as Yo-kai Watch 1, 2, 3 and Blasters was released in America and the Anime is still airing in America.
>never be a nazi
>make jokes about hitler
>suddenly media hates conservative values
>calls all conservatives nazis
>become an actual nazi out of spite
Yeah, i am totally not right.
>Not being natso
>Making Hitler jokes
You haven't earned that right.
>Yeah, i am totally not right
Looks like we found something to agree on.
We're derailing this too much, fuck it.
I think a mobile suit would be extremely out-of-place in Smash
ANYONE HERE SAID THE HERO CANT BE IN SMASH BECAUSE OF TOO MANY SQUEENIX CHARACTERS?
SUCK MY DICK HES IN
Was kinda insulted that these normalfag "gamers" dont even know what the fuck DQ even is in the first place
ANYONE SAID BANJO CANT GET IN BECAUSE HES IRRELEVANT OR SOME SHIT
SUCK MY DICK TOO HES ALSO IN
Although I want necessarily hyped about him all too much I just know he needed to get in
I saw that one guy with (5) doing nothing but sperging out against Banjo last thread and low to behold as soon as hes revealed to be in the game he is NOWHERE to be found. What a fucking shmuck hahah.
Doomguy and Ryu Hayabusa are the most likely, especially with Erdrick and Banjo
The best bit about this is that Doom Guy should be in and Steve has no chance
Way better than I was expecting
I am not a natsoc and I've made hitler jokes all my life they're a gas
Am I the only person who wants to see Luigi reworked with Poltergust-based command grabs after the Luigi's Mansion 3 trailer?
Wasn't there a leak that was pretty much spot-on so far with all 3 characters?
They already added the Plunger from 3
Even still, seeing Luigi throw ghosts around like that made me feel like he could do something to set him further apart from Mario.
>Now the only question is: Who do you think those last two fighters will be?
Sora doesn't deserve to be in Smash after the atrocity that was KH3, but given the series' contribution with KH2 alone, it might be nice.
The jews at Disney are never gonna let that happen though.
not what would be cool
if they include any Ubishit then Rayman would be the only choice.
>>implying sony would loosen their strangle hold on any of their mascots
CRASH BANDICOOT CONFIRMED FOR SMASH
I actually thought about it and realised that the reason why Sora would be impossible has nothing to do with Sora himself but rather the stage that would accompany him, since it'd be weird if a few Disney Characters weren't in the background, same with Sora's Final Smash in that it'd be weird if it didn't have Goofy and Donald
Which makes it impossible, since even if Disney and Square said ok the issue is actually Sakurai who wants no 4th Party
That's true. The obvious compromise is to keep them out altogether and stick to the OC characters, but yeah, that would be weird.
I haven't been following any smash shit for a while but
>25$ for 5 extra characters
Hahhahahhah holy shit are you for real? What the fuck is wrong with you niggers thinking this kind of pricing is okay? Not even trying to stir shit at this point when I say 'It's okay when nintendo does it', they've been so fucking scummy the past half decade or so you'd think microshit or soyny was running them.
Yiddle me this, goy
What price would you put for one DLC character?
From a marketing perspective,4.99 sounds like a proper price, considering it's a nintendo product which elevated he price. The soys will buy it up.
Hope you've prepared your trachea
Faggots are hating on Dragon Quest because that game's rep got in Square's smash slot instead of Sora.
I think there'll be another Bandai-Namco and Capcom rep for the last two slots.
>What price would you put for one DLC character?
0, unlock the characters as you play. This retarded shit of DLC characters should have never happened in the first place, and Nintendo should actually not announce all the characters that are going to be in, instead leaving some surprises like they use to.
We might get Klonoa though.
I want to see Hollow Knight get in. He has all the moveset potential and the music would be gold.
You're a faggot. If an indie rep gets in it should be a better one like one from Cave Story, Shovel Knight or even Ori
Which is why Roxas would be perfect over Sora. It's been made abundantly clear Oathkeeper and Oblivion are his weapons and define his character, which is also the only reason I see Lloyd being guaranteed over Yuri, who doesn't use 2 blades.
Roxas starred in his own game on DS, has no obligation to show anything related to Disney unlike Sora, who would need Mickey's keychain removed from the Kingdom Key, has a simpler design to render and is literally mentioned repeatedly to just be a shadow of him regardless of writing sentimentality. He's also the most beloved and favorite character in the series. He's the most simple answer to call it a day and move onto better series while not giving a shit character no one would pay for.
Listen here, faggot. I don't care if you're THE lipfag or just another run-of-the mill lipfag. When that 5th character is announced and it's not Lip, I will demand an apology.
It's almost as if data miners didn't exist to ruin the surprise, faggot.
Jibanyan would be a great choice. With Yo-kai Watch 4 coming up on the Switch, they could even include his Shadowside form (either as a Final Smash or a transformation like Joker's Persona.) Though really, his final smash should involve being hit by a truck.
Having Battletoads in would make a certain amount of sense, both for being a classic Nintendo game and for being a franchise that has been mistreated by its owners of late.
Either way, it's be great: either Nintendo does what they did with Megaman and makes a loving tribute to the entire history of Battletoads, with a stage that contains evil rats and an uncensored Dark Queen as a stage hazard… or they put in Nu-toads, which would cause rioting in the streets and multiply the amount of anger by a thousandfold.
Also includes a stage and multiple new soundtracks. Keep in mind I loathe DLCshit as I say this, but I begrudgingly recognize a good bargain, same with over 40 favorite or at least liked characters returning with satisfying improvements and new most wanted's like Simon, 8-Player and Stamina wherever I want with the stages also returning, removable stage hazards and even a gauge for Final Smash, all for $60 right out the box without any connect to the internet just to make it work retardation, no matter how shit and deflating that last waste of 40 minutes was compared to fucking August.
Yeah nah you're a cunt. Shovel Knight is more likely since it already has the amiibo, but that doesn't make him a better indie rep. SK's a good game, but other than it being the kickstarter darling, it's not any more venerable.
I'm more than happy with just having Eight as a alt for The Hero when I thought no Dragon Quest fans even still cared about him and either rallied around older or newer protagonists like Joker was probably viewed by some Shin Megami Tensei fans while still giving a cool character from a new game they loved.
I don't even know where VIII stacks up with casual and hardcore fans. Seeing him was incredible.
Just saying. There's room for Capcom and Namco reps in the last two slots.
>Not ignoring those
Really, how hard can it be not to look shit up when playing a new game you don't want to be spoiled? How retarded have you to be?
DMC is coming to Switch, so I want Dante. If WarGreymon somehow came with that on top of The Hero miraculously having Super High Tension, every assist shit or glorified sticker can go fuck themselves and I would never again ask hackurai for anything in my life.
Outside of the Piranha Plant, all of the newcomer DLC characters are supposed to be from games that aren't already represented in some form.
Iirc, ol' kappa miyamoto himself wanted P L A N T in the game, and that dude typically gets whatever suggestion he wants at this point.
>tfw your friend with a wife and kid starts drinking Soylent
>desperately try to warn him about all the trannys ive seen drinking
>”lol, anon thinks I’m gonna become a tranny. Does the water turn the frogs gay?”
If only he knew the horrors that have spawned after starting a soylent diet.
I'm surprised nobodies said it but given past titles one of the characters will definitely be a fire emblem three houses rep so that Nintendo can shill their waifu sims
Maybe in a future pack, but the remaining two fighters of this pack are from specifically 3rd party I think series which have never seen representation.
Also I sincerely hope Three Houses kills Fire Emblem for good.
they've already done it before with Ike, Lucina, Robin, and Corrin i'm just saying that it'll definitely happen again and i doubt Fire Emblem will die anytime soon unless they fuck three houses up so hard Sonic Forces style that it causes Nu-Awakening fans to jump ship and proclaim the series was never good.
>Smash adds all these 3rd party characters but not THE ULTIMATE GAMING ICON from THE MOST POPULAR GAME OF ALL TIME
#5 is going to be him. He's even got two games on Switch.
Sorry pal but he's not as popular as Mr. Toffee from Candy Crush Saga™.
Yeah, Klonoa or Digimon are likley reps. Though Dante seems like a shoe-in for Capcom's DLC slot, there's Arthur from Ghouls and Goblins.
I fucking love Tetris so I’d be fine. A tetrimino block that turns into the various other blocks for attacks would be pretty neat.
Minecraft Steve and Revolver Ocelot.
>one of them is almost assured to be FE three houses rep
>other MIGHT be sword and shield rep though most doubt it
So basically, one more slot that has a chance of not being pokemon, I've lost all hope for doomguy at this point
Doomguy was never going to happen to begin with
Microsoft's DLC slot is already filled. Ocelot might be possible. I'm betting on Klonoa and Viewtiful Joe.
there's always a next chance for whatever upcoming smash game there is, unless ultimate is the last smash game and then that means the only way doomguy is "in" is through a mod
Only character I want at this point is best girl.
Another possible for the Capcom slot. She would have to fight with Dante and Joe for it.
Okami was pretty much the only gave on the wii that actually made good use of option controls so I feel like ammy is more likely than joe or dante. Among the 3, dante is the only one to not actually be on a nintendo console so I feel he's the least likely.
People are seriously speculating we might be getting a Resident Evil rep of some kind. Nothing's even been leaked, people just seem to believe that A. we're getting a Capcom rep and B. an RE rep, probably Leon, is more likely than anything else.
If this happens I will shit myself.
That's a funny way to spell Joe.
With the emphasis on RE in the E3 Direct, it's possible. I'm betting it will be Claire/Leon if so. could be alt skins or an echo fighter duo.
Now that Banjo is in, are we getting a Conker costume?
An alt color is possible but I don't expect much beyond that.
This but rabbis
>how dare people like a thing I dont
You're just salty because nothing in life can make you that happy.
Maybe we're getting colors based off other different Rare franchises.
I'm surprised it took them this long to put a Dragon Quest character in Smash considering Dragon Quest is more popular than all of Nintendo's IPs combined in Japan.
>the second guy
God, that's the worst kind of numale. Next to this fat weak piece of shit.
>I'm a retarded nigger who hates other people being happy
Banjo is an alright character. He doesn't deserve hatred. Only hate the gay shitters like DQ Hero.
Why do you hate good characters you faggot? You should relish the idea of characters like Lip getting in. Obscure characters don't get a chance anymore because Sakurai has made it so that everything is "relevancy" this or "popularity" that. Lip getting in would be a much needed breath of fresh air and would probably mark a return to form for the series where lesser known characters get their chance again.
>Being this ass hurt that over another multi billion dollar corporation doing better than your favorite
Emotional Incontinence. Men used to be nore stoic.
>Only hate the gay shitters like DQ Hero.
DQ has a legacy that towers most IPs represented in Smash.
We all know it's Kunio. Bashing fuckers' heads in by beaning a trash can at them dodgeball-style would please so many goddamn people.
>DQ has a legacy that towers most IPs represented in Smash.
It's gay shit.
I don't care what you tell me. This character is a lady. It's a fucking prancing tulip. It's not a male.
>mascot from a random obscure puzzle game never released outside of japan
>had an an item in the game since melee
Fuck you are a greedy cunt and also likely a pedophile who can only think with his dick.
Isn't DQ1 older than the vast majority of the games already in smash?
It's literally trunks with a different hair color.
He looks like Trunks. If you want to rant about the gay, look no further than BotW Link. Also, hero has alt characters.
Yeah, it's one of the oldest and is the father of JRPGs.
>He looks like Trunks.
Don't see how this disproves my point. Trunks looks a massive queer.
>Fuck you are a greedy cunt and also likely a pedophile who can only think with his dick.
I don't see how it's greedy for a character to finally claim a much-needed spot she's had claim to since Melee. The item is just a placeholder.
You're right. I used to care deeply about my favorite things, until I grew up and witnessed people on social media pouring out fake emotions in extreme quantity and severity on social media for fake praise. I witnessed a whole attention economy of whores pretending to care deeply about things to gain artificial brownie points from people they don't give a single fuck about, or will never meet, and then those people pouring out fake emotions because their favorite emotionally incontinent internet personality liked their like. Reactions to reactions to reactions to corporate marketing. Nobody thinking for themselves. They faked extreme emotions about everything until they forgot they were faking, and now people seethe and protest over the type of shit that was a completely harmless joke 20 years ago. I didn't want to be associated with this subhuman behavior, so I stopped visibly expressing emotion, wanting to save it for when it actually mattered. I don't cry when a favorite fictional character dies because it lessens the effect of crying when a real life family member or friend passes. I don't cheer when a new video game comes out because it lessens the effect of cheering when your brother graduates highschool with honors or wins a sports championship. But just like the fakers forgot they were faking, I shut myself down for so long in my efforts to be better than the soys, that I forgot how to feel at all. My grandmother died and I didn't shed a single tear. My brother graduated with honors and all I could do was grin and clap a little, at the behest of everyone else clapping around me.
I do wish I could be as happy about anything as those cucks are about banjo kazooie being in Smash. But I also wish they'd save their raucous cheering for something that actually deserves it, because then I wouldn't have had to become this cold cynical bastard to oppose them.
KEEP CRYING FAGGOT, DONT YOU FUCKING STOP
YOUR TEARS AND SALT GIVE ME NOURISHMENT
I appreciate the existence of this post and hope you find happiness soon.
Goddammit you dick. Fuck. Fucking fuck man. I need to hug by brother now.
I need a drink.
The character is the definition of "literally who" and 99.9% of people only know of her because of the trophy in melee. Again, you are thinking with your dick and not with logic in any way. You are literally the only person on the internet who would get excited for this character being announced.
>The character is the definition of "literally who" and 99.9% of people only know of her because of the trophy in melee.
That's the whole point. We need more first party literal whos.
Ness and Lucas were literal whos until Smash pulled them out of obscurity. It has that power.
I stole them from some Banjo-Kazooie celebration image complication, I feel sorry for you if that honestly bothers you.
I've never heard of these characters so no one has!
The mother series is very popular in japan. Stop being retarded.
You're baiting but Dragon Quest is the most popular video game franchise in Japan.
I fucked up my meme arrows but I never said it wasn't.
Hahahah you sad sack of shit!
I want more smash characters to come and and see them continue to NOT be lip.
Then I will go into these threads for my reward for my patience, you sperging out over your little whore Lip still not being in the game as a non png.
I used to hate you but now I enjoy seeing you around due to some kind of sick twisted pleasure. Please keep posting Lipfag you Godless sack of shit, dont leave us just yet.
PDP is also very popular there. And we're not in Japan so you can't use that as an argument anymore.
Oh right, how foolish of me to forget about the massive fanbase the panel de pon franchise has outside of the west.
Am I the only one here who really wants to see Jason in the Sophia IIIrd be one of the reps?
To be fair, didn't a good amount of people in the US like Tetris Attack a lot?
If that fucker isnt on the smash ballot dont count on them getting in.
Earthbound has its western fanbase because of Smash. It didn't exist before Smash. The game only sold like 20 copies. Maybe get an argument that doesn't fall apart if you apply even the most basic first grader logic to it?
The Blaster Master protagonist. Who's become relevant once again recently with Blaster Master Zero 2 getting released on Switch.
Never give up, Lip autist. Kidnap Sakurai's wife and with Lip's inclusion as her ransom. You'll get her in that way.
>I'm agreeing with Lipfag
I mean you're right about obscure characters and Sakurai being a cunt, however you can be a bit obnoxious at times.
I have no idea how that would work as a character but an assist trophy would have been possible.
Probably when it came out but it never had a lot of lasting appeal.
From blaster master.
it sold poorly because of bad marketing but the people that did get it loved it and it developed a cult following. Of course this is a moot point since popularity outside of japan doesn't matter.
I keep telling you guys I'm not the same Lipfag. I'm just calling out bullshit arguments.
Listen to what 9b7065 is arguing for. He's saying that if a character is NEITHER relevant or popular then they should never get in the game.
So if a character you like is neither of those things they shouldn't deserve a chance. It's obviously bullshit, this doesn't just apply to Lip but any character you might like.
Now that we have Banjo-Kazooie in, I feel somewhat of a pity for Lipfag or the fact he's become so immensely gravitated or attached to a particular obscure character, who's chances honestly aren't great.
I only became so attached to Banjo-Kazooie because of the dialogue in-game and the personalities the characters had. Lipfag has none of that and still managed to become engrossed with the character.
>Banjo is an alright character. He doesn't deserve hatred.
Thank you, that means a lot.
>Only hate the gay shitters like DQ Hero.
I don't like Dragon Quest myself, but it deserves representation because of how popular it is and how central it was in shaping other RPGs. On top of that, we're having 4 characters take up 1 slot instead of their own individual. Dragon Quest is a nice addition if we're considering the history of gaming and it's icons.
I'll have to agree with you, I think more obscure characters deserve a shot as long as they're plenty unique and fit the nature of the game. Lip also has nothing going for her in that regard, but now that my one and only absolute choice is in, I'm more open to the idea. I couldn't care now who gets put into Smash Bros. at this point.
Anyone else hate how the DLC trailers are being presented? The way they've been writing it is basically "LOOK HOW COOL AND AWESOME WE ARE WITH ALL THESE COOL AND AWESOME CHARACTERS". Like it was unbearable with Joker and even with Banjo, who I personally think should've been in the base game. The trailers they had with WiiU were finem, they don't need to circlejerk the newcomers.
>I have no idea how that would work as a character
I'm only unsure of how anything like separating Jason from the tank would work. If he just stayed inside the whole time and occasionally opened the cockpit to fire his blaster in various ways, then the Sophia III would be the "widest" character but still fit underneath platforms like everyone else. Plus, given the way its wall/ceiling-climbing is said to work, there wouldn't be any problems with ledgegrabbing, it'd just comically cling to the edge at a 90 degree angle.
Oh, well in that case I agree with you.
>I don't like Dragon Quest myself, but it deserves representation because of how popular it is and how central it was in shaping other RPGs.
This is exactly how I feel. At least the JRPG menu mechanic actually means they'll play uniquely and have a lot of different moves.
>The character is the definition of "literally who"
that didn't stop the ice climbers.
>Lipfag has none of that and still managed to become engrossed with the character.
It's because he's a literal subhuman nigger who can't form any thoughts more complex than "muh dick" because he wants to fuck a fairy. His mind is on such a basic and animalistic level that I don't even consider him human.
>Jason fights outside of sophia, leaving it as a final smash
<Sophia is now under utilized for how important it is to the actual game, plus it's literally just a landmaster all over again
>Sophia is scaled down to be a not retarded size
<this implies that jason is tiny, and there's also the issue of sophia being able to cling to walls and ceilings that would completely break smash mechanics
An assist trophy doesn't need to follow any rules and would be the perfect representation for a game of this scale and significance.
Leaving Sophia doesn't work as a final smash because it is obligatory for the final smash to be Acceleration Blast.
I meant it would be only used as a final smash, not getting out of it. Probably should have chosen better wording for that.
I'm pretty sure he meant that Sophia would BE the Final Smash, ie, the player would be Jason most of the time but Sophia shows up for the super move. (He than points out why this wouldn't work).
Also, the Sophia definitely isn't even as big as the landmaster to begin with. It's just kinda big, but not too big for smash.
>that comfy feeling when lipfag spergs out and his shitty shovelware character will never be in
God, I love being a banjo fag. All we need now is Geno. Even now I'm content, as long as lipfag gets treated like a dirty subhuman I'm good.
Another example of this is the Mother series which is on the same level as Custom Robo and Golden Sun in terms of sales and relevance.-
Lip would be cool though, I'd be nice to see more puzzle reps.
>Lipfag has none of that and still managed to become engrossed with the character.
The important part about Lip is that she is a fairy protagonist and we need more playable fairies
>All we need now is Geno.
He's already in Ultimate
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>The important part about Lip is that she is a fairy protagonist and we need more playable fairies
This is genuinely true.
I think we're actually going to end up seeing Dr. Luigi in Smash one day.
>It's because he's a literal subhuman nigger who can't form any thoughts more complex than "muh dick" because he wants to fuck a fairy.
Where did I say anything about wanting to fuck Lip?
The "-oomer" shit is trash-tier cuckchan memes. You're part of the problem if you spread it. We don't want that garbage here.
I could see an alt costume but that's it.
Literally every post in subtext. You're not fooling anyone.
It really takes a true nigger mind to think that liking a female character means you desperately want to fuck her.
bad opinions posted by a furry, just another day on /v/
Joker's reveal was lacking, I'll admit that. But I have no problems with Hero's reveal or Banjo-Kazooie's. They're supposed to build up excitement, that's the point. It's supposed to feel like a megaton hit to the actual fans of those characters as in "Yes, finally, now they're in Smash Bros.." This seems to be moreso of a problem with the soyboys jumping up and down screaming about it rather than the trailer itself.
The thing is that I'm so smug right now I can't even care and I'm more less projecting how smug I am with a "holier than thou", "it's alright" mentality. Frankly, I don't think Lip will ever be in because no moves, no fanbase (aside from Lipfag). But because how much I don't care now, I'm at least trying to be nice to him so he'll be less of a sperg and not shit up the thread. I want to keep the good feelings I have right now so I don't want to set him off.
Got it. Although what's the problem with the meme aside from being from cuckchan? I've never known or had much exposure to it.
>I don't like Dragon Quest myself, but it deserves representation because of how popular it is and how central it was in shaping other RPGs
its more than rpgs DQ is a pillar for a culture of multiple things, (heroes, maoh, classes, god) there was so manys animes and games and that you cann DQ influence from it.
>its more than rpgs DQ is a pillar for a culture of multiple things, (heroes, maoh, classes, god) there was so manys animes and games and that you cann DQ influence from it.
That too. There'll probably be a bunch of isekai banter that comes from some of the people who use Erdrick.
>want obscure Nintendo history like Mach Rider, Ayumi Tachibana and Ray
>get Joker, Corrin, fotm pokemon and autists on the internet demanding more characters from whatever AAA trash has manged to stick in their minds for longer then a few hours
Smash was a mistake.
I never understood why they didn't use a winnie the pooh voice for ENG Monokuma. That would have paralleled JPN using Doraemons voice
At this point I dont even want Lip in smash at all only for the fact that I love seeing Lipfag bitch and moan about her not being in.
Its endless entertainment! But if she manages to get in its all over.
I thought he would have been content for her being just a spirit but his greed is consuming the poor autist and I couldn't be anymore happier.
I am pretty damn satisfied that those DQ protags got in too, I loved how they didnt just add one or two, but went the extra mile and added fucking FOUR of them, kudos to you sakurai you didnt fuck up this time but im still not buying your game
There is literally no appeal to the character outside of your fetish for tiny underage girls that are too weak to resist you and small enough that they'll actually feel your microdick.
>I'm at least trying to be nice to him so he'll be less of a sperg and not shit up the thread
This is the wrong way to deal with this. You don't fix trannies by being nice to them, you force them to face facts and realize they have a mental illness and show them that entertaining it will only bring them misery in the long run. This particular brand of autism is only different in that it's less harmful.
>Got it. Although what's the problem with the meme aside from being from cuckchan? I've never known or had much exposure to it.
The core of the problem is that it's a low effort mutant wojak. It being from cuckchan isn't the problem as much as it's what led to the problem - those faggots have been colonized by reddit and as a result can't make anything clever or creative anymore. The dozens of low effort mutant wojak variants that they crank out are a prime example of it. Basically, we try to hold ourselves to higher standards.
Ironic you say this while posting a zero effort ASSFAGGOTS edit.
if you're friend trust the tap water then he is already lost.
They'll probably say shit like
Characters I'd rather have:
Tetris Attack piece
Bust-a-move/Bubble Bobble dinosaurs
Ash Ketchum (Puzzle League)
Mario but from Yoshi's Cookie or Picross
Toad (Wario's Woods)
The Mole Mania guy
A red-pilled Angry Bird
i'll throw your ass in with the slippermen i tell you wot m8
your meme is low effort as fuck
What about a Puyo Puyo rep, or Aqualea from Wario's Woods?
I'd also take Dr. Robotnik or a Scratch & Grounder combo.
We all know who really deserves to be in
I do kinda want this tbh. As awful as they were, the jank video game cartoons were a big part of the culture for people growing up at that time and he's the best possible representative, plus his entire entourage are already in smash.
It might piss too many people off so I'd settle for a mii costume.
>harem-MC-tier faggot that turned down Samus's advances
Put in Nester instead and give him a bowling and Pilotwings-themed moveset.
>a single character ruined a 3 month "upgraded" re-release of an incomplete game
The eternal Capcuck
>and now, a special message from Gundam's creator, Yoshiyuki Tomino
>U WANTED GOKU, FIRTHY GAIJIN CHIRDREN?
>GET UR HEAD BLOWN OFF, FUK U
What kind of game master takes 50 tries to beat Cut
sman's level? Dean Takahashi and Reggie could wipe the floor with this loser.
Yeah, the little orange guy.
Guys I'm so fucking hyped to see who the 5th character is going to be, I can't wait. Not because I'm especially invested in anyone or excited to see new playstyles or anything, it might get me to pick the game back up for a couple of days at most, but I don't really give much of a shit about that stuff.
I just can't wait for the asspain. I've got this feeling in my gut, and it's telling me that the last character reveal is going to be hyped and shilled to hell and back right up until its reveal when it pisses off literally everyone. Nobody, and I mean nobody, is going to be happy with the outcome and it's going to be fucking amazing. Blood, flames, and pasta sauce will fill the streets and Sakurai will retire to live the remainder of his life in solitude and peace, working on Kirby fan games under a pseudonym from an isolated cabin in Norway until he succumbs to his boneitis and passes away. The last thing he'll hear will be the relentless autistic screeching of Smashfags the world over, and the sweet song will send him on his way.
>where's waluigi you fucking hack
That faggot would maybe make it to the Big Eye outside of Cutman's room, spend a half hour trying to jump over it, then finally get the idea to run under it only for it to do a short hop and kill him before declaring the game is literally unbeatable.
If we're speaking about a character that represents indie games as a whole I'd say Shovel Knight is a better choice (he's in every new fucking indie game for god's sake). I don't dislike Hollow Knight, in fact if he got in I'd be pretty amused, but as an overall representative of indie games Shovel Knight or Quote would be better I think. but since Shovel Knight is already and Assist and Quote is getting fucked in the ass by Nicalis, Hollow wouldn't be a bad option really
Urban Champion is a perfect candidate for Smash. Prove me wrong.
>the first fucking result for ideon
That scene was an important milestone. It was the first time a child had been decapitated in an animated movie.
Come to think of it, the News feed on the Switch recently had an out-of-nowhere article with the "spot the famous character whose name begins with W among all these Smash Amiibos". They then joked "did you find Wii Fit Trainer? Well done!" but admitted there was another W character in there somewhere.
(I DIDN'T actually spot Wii Fit Trainer, but there was definitely a Waluigi hiding in the crowd. Not sure what this means, since they claimed that none of the new fighters would be from existing franchises.)
Then again, they also claimed that none of the new fighters would be echoes, and then we got Banjo. So maybe they're just liars.
I'm still hoping for Captain N, personally. He's about as likely as some of the other picks.
Fuck off MovieBlob
How is Banjo an echo? He's not even a clone
I am mad. I am mad about Banjo.
I have hated collectashit games since childhood. I loathe the oh-so-cartoony graphics, the stupid Disneyesque saccharine soundtracks, and the slapstick, braindead humor sprinkled throughout the games. I hate mascot character games. I always will.
When this genre died I rejoiced. You know that image you see posted sometimes? The one where someone asked Neofag if NaughtyDog should make another Crash game and they shat all over it? People post it a lot as ragefuel, but I love it. I love how Crash, Spyro, Banjo, and the rest were dead, and that no one cared about the rotting corpses of these IPs. When Yooka Laylee was pitched to the collectashit audience and came out as a mediocre trash pile, I was happier than ever. Ripping off nostalgia goggles meant it was all more dead than ever.
Then the "remaster" meme became popular and the grubby shits that own the husks of these companies' properties rereleased all of this trash to the world. So now it's everywhere again.
To top it off, now one of these stupid fucking characters in in Smash. Every time I play this game online or with friends now, I'm going to have to listen to the fucking remixes of the music. I'm going to have to listen to "GUH-HUH" and "ROOOOO" every time I play this game until the next entry. God forbid, maybe even longer if this shit comes back in the next one.
Know that every time you pick Banjo or the Banjo stage or post about how much you want Crash or Spyro or fucking Bubsy in Smash Brothers, I am out here spitting venom in your direction and wishing death upon you and your family.
Anytime I run into a Banjo player online, I will pick the zoniest character possible and spam you to death. The rage you feel will be one iota of the infinite rage I feel towards this genre.
>I am mad.
I can tell.
My pipe dream is for a Digimon to show up. the most well known, thus most iconic is Agumon/Wargreymon. I would vouch for Wargreymon mainly because he's got a full smash bros moveset (Rumble Arena 1 and 2) and a recolor to Black WarGreymon would be super easy to do.
Plus, we can get things like Brave Heart into the OST.
>exposing your vulnerability so other people could continually spite you until you die from stress
Don't give yourself a heart attack faggot, let me give you one instead.
Mascot platformers are the best motherfucking thing ever.
>Know that every time you pick Banjo or the Banjo stage… I am out here spitting venom in your direction and wishing death upon you and your family
Good to know anon. I'll definitely keep it in mind when my new main drops.
gyuck gyuck bree
>I will pick the zoniest character possible and spam you to death
Too bad on top of already seeming to be the zoniest character yet, they have wonderwing to get past that.
Calm down you manchild its just a fucking videogame.
Its a game whose mascots inlude Mario, Kirby and fucking Pikachu yet you're mad at Banjo?
Get your shit together anon, seriously.
Link is also a puzzle rep, anon.
You cant hide, motherfucker
I've wanted a digimon in smash since Brawl. Wargreymon would probably actually get me to buy a switch and Ultimate.
Kazooie please tell me a funny joke
>agumon gets in
>can evolve into wargreymon with a meter like joker
>if you die as wargreymon you're stuck as koromon for a bit when you respawn
Could be cool. Too bad I can't ever see it happening.
I'm indifferent to Banjo but seeing this makes my day. I hope you run into an endless army of guhyucks online and it raises your blood pressure to the point you get an aneurysm you autistic fuck.
Crash and Spyro rule.
Also I don't think zoning will work on Banjo since he appears to have an invincible charging attack to close the distance.
Pipe dreams are meant to be held onto. You only fail when you quit.
I chuckled but fuck you.
Great. The shitstain has a fucking super armored charge. Even more to look forward to.
If Banjo's even half as busted as Joker that anon is going to have a bad time
I want to fuck that bird.
>I chuckled but fuck you.
>you will never have a smug sassy redhead strapped to your back that bullies you everywhere you go
Digimon in Smash would be great but i hate Adventurefags with a passion so i would prefer a mon that's not from Adventure but i would be fine with Agumon/Wargreymon either way.
Not with that kind of attitude. Go out, grab one and tie her up!
they're only ever going to add characters that either belong to nintendo or debuted on their systems.
You're a good birb buddy. Thank you.
Then what was Cloud and Joker?
Who could forget when Joker debuted on the N64, right faggot?
>Going on adventures with tsundere as fuck bird girl that gets you both into trouble because she never knows when to keep her beak shut
>cloud and joker
C U M.
now u done it
>file is corrupt
Dante might be the 4th one. We already had one character that "character action" genre, or whatever it was called. But We've already seen lots of "impossible" stuff. Everyone really wanted Dante along with Shadow. Since there are 2 spots, I don't think they will add another platformer character such as Spyro, Crash, Rayman etc.
Like the other anon said, it's also related to companies. Capcom already has Megaman, so it will be probably something new like xbox Banjoo Kazooie doesnt count
5th one seems retarded but it makes sense, Waluigi. Think about it, it has been shilled a lot out of nowhere and everyone hyped that character a lot. It will be instant money printer if Waluigi was added as DLC. It's some next step marketing tactic so I still expect Waluigi as the wild card
From some friends that work at fromsoftware they said that from and nintendo made a deal for dark souls 2+3 with a new exclusive ip will come to the switch if from gets a smash rep with 50% of the profits from it.
I thought they were joking but then stuff they said before was confirmed so it might be true.
The 4th smash rep is going to be Orinstein the dragon slayer. His moveset is based on his attacks from dark souls 1 and 2. Grabs are changed so they do more damage so a backstab would do around 35%.
They also that the last fighter was a female from a pc game but they could be fucking around.
The new ip will be exclusive to the nintendo switch and the B team started working on it a couple of months ago. From what they said it is about a shapeshifter who uses human form for stealth and a customizable monster form for battle. This is all I know right now.
forgot to mention, DMC is coming to switch, which gives some suspicions on Dante being in Smash.
thanks for the beautiful reaction image. This board needs more Rita Repulsa
>DMC is coming to switch
Source me the fuck up.
I really like the idea this other anon posted in the last thread about Dante getting pissed at all the other sword guys in the game and then fighting exclusively using non-sword weapons to suit his own style.
You might've as well posted a picture of goatse since you apparently like pulling things out of assholes.
Lemme guess. You wanted Steve? Banjo-Kazooie was a solid option through and through, learn to accept it or stay mad.
>Popular character with historic value to Nintendo
>Representing the N64 that was carried almost exclusively by Rare games
>Not another anime swordfag
>Unique kit that comes from essentially being two characters in one
Objectively I don't see any downside to Banjo at all.
>haven't played since a little while after release
>decide to boot up the game
>get hooked on P.Plant of all characters
This is great, fuck everybody who complained about this smug plant cunt.
Using the poison as a smokescreen to cover up what I'm doing and hit my opponent with some dumb shit is especially fun as fuck.
Not to mention-
>every single move shown in the trailer is something they can do in their own games, no moves are made-up so far
>representative of animal mascot platformers common in their era
>along with Mario 64 it helped influence most 3D platformers that came after it
>first pure western fighter, K.Rool and Dark Samus are tied to series of Japanese origin
>cartoony as hell, unique in almost every aspect visually and mechanically
And possible more reasons. If Rare wasn't bought out, Banjo would've definitely been in already, he deserves this.
Seriously literally kill yourself.I
>only the first game instead of packaged with 3: SE like HD did a literal decade ago
Don't know why or how I thought fagcom would do something right.
Nigga she ain't tsun at all.
>no moves are made-up so far
Except for neutral A, maybe.
This, she's that one "cynical" dere I forget the name of. Hinedere I think.
DMC 1 can run like ass when there's a ton of particle effects going, I think 3 runs a lot better though.
Post your ideal Dante loadout
>Nevan or Lucifer for maximum CUHRAYZEE
<tfw it'll probably just be Rebellion
Back in my day we just called someone as rude and crass as Kazooie 'spunky'.
His jab is still the same 1,2,3 combo from the original game, only it's more exaggerated now so it can seen more easily from a 2D perspective.
I would tell you to go fuck yourself, but since you're defending this cancerous character pick you've probably already tried.
Ok anons so I've been doing some research into who exactly could be the last two fighters and fuck me are there a lot of options so we're doing this by company here we go
Let's say Nintendo wants more reps in the game from franchises already represented. I can't think of any possible new fighters they could add from the Ice Climber, Game & Watch, R.O.B., Duck Hunt, or Wii Fit universes, unless they wanted to add the Wii Balance Board which I honestly might not put past them after Piranha Plant got in, but there are still plenty of options here so I'm gonna do a breakdown of characters from each series that might be considered:
Doesn't need another rep but that's been true since Brawl so if they really wanted to, Nintendo could add Waluigi, Geno, or Captain Toad like everybody's been asking, some sort of Paper Mario rep for whatever reason, or another enemy like a Goomba or Hammer Bro, but quite frankly I hope they don't because the series is getting bloated
I think DK is in a good place where it is, but they could feasibly add Dixie Kong if they wanted. Maybe even Funky Kong or some other Kong from Donkey Kong 64 but I'm not holding my breath
>Legend of Zelda
Nintendo has plenty of options here that I don't think they need to use because LoZ has five reps already, but Impa or god forbid Linkle would make enough sense, or maybe a rep from Breath of the Wild with Link's redesign. I think any sort of Goron would make a neat addition but again, I don't think it's necessary, and of course there's always Mask Kid.
Another series with a good amount of reps now that Ridley and Dark Samus are in, I'm not really familiar enough with the series to know who would be most likely to be added, so some space pirate or other bounty hunter might work I guess, or fuckin Kraid if they really wanted to go nuts
Again this is just Mario, so unless Nintendo wants to add Yarn Poochie I don't have any better ideas
Marx would make a cool addition if he wasn't already a boss, so really Bandana Dee and Knuckle Joe are the best options otherwise, unless Nintendo adds some miscellaneous enemy
Krystal is the obvious choice, but other than her I doubt Slippy or Peppy would make it in but who knows
Doesn't need anymore goddamn reps but if anything they'll put in a Sword/Shield rep because why the fuck not right
Since Paula, Poo, Kumatora, and Boney all appear in Ness and Lucas's final smashes respectively, the more likely choice would be Pokey, unless they wanted to add Flying Man because he showed up in the last game I guess
Absolutely DOES NOT need another fucking rep, I will be so angry if they put another one of these cunts in the game
Kid Icarus has no villain reps, so seeing Hades or Medusa would be neat. Either that or they could ad Viridi, but the less pedophiles this game attracts the better
Everybody wants Ashley for this one, but someone like Jimmy T or even Captain Syrup would be interesting to see but they'd probably just use Ashley
I don't see how Louie, Brittany, or Charlie would be anything but Olimar clones so probably nothing here, unless Nintendo added some enemy but I'm really not sure how that would work
Best bet here is Tom Nook, but seeing as Isabelle is just a clone of Villager to begin with I don't think Nintendo has very many ideas for Animal Crossing fighters
Any character here would make sense, it is a fighting game, but Bald Bull, King Hippo, or Mr. Sandman would be my personal picks
Why bother adding any character from the Mii franchise, you might ask? Same reason more Fire Emblem characters keep getting added no reason, so some enemy from one of those 3DS StreetPass games would probably work, Gold Bone or Fynalle specifically but I don't think they really need to be here
Rex & Pyra were the two I saw talked about most back when people were speculating on who would be in Ultimate, so I guess one of them works I don't really care
Now that's just the old franchises, but what if Nintendo added reps from a new franchise? I could only come up with three, those being:
>The Wonderful 101
Anyone from here would probably be terrific, maybe each character could be a skin like the Koopalings but I don't know enough about the franchise to say that would work or not. Wonder Red is the obvious pick if anyone.
I'm not sure how Maxwell or Lily might work in a fighting game if at all, but it's going on the list because a plant got in so why not them
I know Spring Man is an assist so he likely wouldn't be added unless they removed the trophy, but since it's a fighting game I'm sure anyone from here would work
Of course, Nintendo could also add new reps from their third-party franchises
My money would be on Raiden if anyone, unless they decided to include Grey Fox instead but both would just be another sword character so I kinda hope they would go for Revolver Ocelot or Psycho Mantis instead
Knuckles would have been neat potentially, but otherwise Tails, Amy, or preferably Dr. Eggman would do
I dunno, Jeanne?
Most of the robot masters could probably work here, or they could add Proto Man, Zero, or maybe even Roll
Doesn't really need anymore reps, but most characters from here would work, maybe Chun-Li or M. Bison if they really wanted
I don't think the ghosts are getting in as fighters, but I will say that I wish they'd give Pac a Ms. Pac-Man skin
With the remake coming out I could see someone like Tifa, Aerith, Barret, or Sephiroth getting in, but not much else
>Persona, Dragon Quest, and Banjo-Kazooie
Probably not gonna be another rep from any one of these series
Wait a sec, aren't there like 2 character packs? 1 for nintendo characters and 1 for all these non-Nintendo fighters? If I recall correctly, Piranha Plant is the first character from that Nintendo pack.
Stop wasting your time.
The final two characters are from new IP, so they're not any existing represented IP in the roster.
Nintendo said so back in December.
Lucky for you, that's just what I'm getting to. The possibilities here are many so I'm going to separate potential fighters by developer, starting with:
I don't realistically see Bill or Lance being added into the game, but it's fun to speculate
Ryu might be interesting, but would more than likely end up being a Sheik knockoff so oh well
I doubt Sparkster has the popularity to be included, and would ultimately be another sword character, but it would be a hell of a throwback
I really don't expect Kiryu to get into Smash but it might be funny
>Super Monkey Ball
Adding Aiai or some similar ape would be interesting to say the least, but if they kept him in a ball the whole time I can't imagine a very varied moveset
I don't know anything about NiGHTS but SEGA owns NiGHTS so I guess Nights from NiGHTS
>Jet Set Radio
Wouldn't hold my breath for Beats or anyone similar in Smash but onto the list it goes
Fighting game, anyone works
Joe I guess? Another sword character though
I didn't do enough reading up on this game to know or care who would be included, if anyone
>Devil May Cry
Seeing Dante in Smash would be neat but I'm worried he'd become another sword character
I'm not sure how he would work, but Joe looks like a fun character
I think out of the ones on this list, Amaterasu would be the most interesting character to see Nintendo make work
Leon or Jill are probably the most iconic from the series, but I don't think they'd really fit in Smash
Don't know enough about this one to say anything, really
Frank West isn't getting into Smash, but Dead Rising is Capcom so the possibility exists, as impossibly minuscule as it may be
I don't have any idea what they'd do here but Rathalos is in the game so
Probably not happening
I thought it was already confirmed all of the DLC fighters would be from series that aren't yet represented in Smash Bros. But IF I had to pick new characters from each series that is already in…
Paper Mario, or if it has to be from the mainline games possibly Shy Guy because like Piranha Plant of how many variations their are for moveset potential or heck even Toad. There's not a whole lot of mainline Mario characters you'd be hardpressed to add.
Dixie Kong hands down, no question.
>Legend of Zelda
I'd personally like to see Majora's Mask Link with all the transformations incorporated into specials or smash attacks. But there's also Pig Ganon and Tingle who would be decent picks.
Give Dark Samus an original moveset. Again, like Mario there's not a lot you can do with Metroid at this point. I think a Chozo Statue would be fun, like the boss fights in Super Metroid.
Some Anon came up with a really decent concept for a Poochie + Ukiki duo.
Marx or Dark Matter for me. I know Marx is the more popular pick, but with Dark Matter his Final Smash could be 0^2.
Leon. Fox has his wingman, Falco. Wolf could get his. We could also get some interesting moves based on the fact he's a chameleon like cloaking or a long tongue. Krystal is a decent choice, but I'll say Leon for the sake of being different.
HERACROSS. Why? Heavily featured in advertisements for Gen 2 and already a popular Pokemon. It's also functions as the inspiration for Pokemon being based on beetle fighting. It would also be a proper Gen 2 rep since Pichu doesn't count in my opinion. We also don't have a Bug or Fighting type Pokemon playable in Smash Bros.
Jeff or Porky, I can't care too much on this one.
Blood Falcon to replace Ganondorf so he can get his own moveset.
Arvis and Ephraim, a pure tome user villain from the SNES-era and a lance user lord from the GBA-era respectively.
Giving Wario an actual moveset.
Louie, have his Final Smash be Titan Dweevil and incorporate Bulbmin into his moveset.
This is another one where it's hard to come up with ideas but Tom Nook wouldn't be a bad idea.
Fei I guess, we don't need another character from Xenoblade specifically and Xenoblade is a part of a greater franchise.
Third Parties I'll just consider their company of origin
Bartz or Cecil from Final Fantasy or Crono
Jack from Madworld
Demi-Fiend from SMTIII
Satan trips and Devil May Cry in the same post? Spooky shit. Anyway.
Unlikely, but they could add Solaire or Siegward. I'm not sure they could add the Chosen Undead/Bearer of the Curse/Ashen One without just using the design from the boxart
The Pookas were in Smash Run so maybe? Probably would work better as an assist like Bomberman, though
Fighting game, anyone could work if they wanted to add them
Same here, but I expect certain characters like King would be more iconic
I know absolutely nothing about this series but wikipedia says Kite is the main character so I guess he has some form of chance?
I honestly think Lara Croft would be a neat addition to the game. She seems iconic enough and I can imagine her getting a pretty varied moveset. Might be fun.
Getting into dangerous territory bringing Nintendo so close to Disney, but I suppose Sora could be included as another anime swordsman, but with a key instead so it's totally different you guys
>Chrono Trigger/Chrono Cross
Anyone from here runs the risk of being another anime swordsperson but people might like it anyway so whatever
Adam Jensen might make a cool addition to the game or better yet, JC Denton but I'm not sure how varied his moveset would be
2B would be the obvious choice here, but I expect Nintendo would keep her skirt on at all times.
Lenneth is the only one I see getting added from here
I'm not sure enough people are familiar enough with the franchise for someone like Agnès to be included but I wouldn't know anything about that because I've never played
>Secret of Mana
Probably Randi or Primm
I doubt Atlus might get more reps after Persona, but I looked all this shit up anyway so here it goes
Jack Frost is Atlus's mascot so he might honestly make the most sense to put in because I doubt most people have heard of Megami Tensei
Not happening, but seeing the Sorceress knock Luigi out with her tits would be hilarious
Again, getting Banjo and Kazooie was probably difficult enough, but if Microsoft was willing, they could add:
>Conker's Bad Fur Day
Conker might be too adult to get in, but I would have said that about Bayonetta too
Don't know much about Perfect Dark other than the protagonist's name is Joanna Dark and I think that's a little fucking stupid
The new game looks like absolute shit, but seeing Nintendo's take on Rash or Zitz might be fun
That should be all, but Microsoft allowing Banjo & Kazooie to show up in Smash opens up a lot of possibilities as other anons have mentioned, however unlikely they might be
Master Chief is one of the most iconic video game characters of all time, so I bet Microsoft would love to get him into Smash. How he would work being from an FPS, however, is anyone's guess
I know. But I genuinely think Steve could have a pretty unique moveset and might be a better choice than Master Chief that said, Minecraft in Smash would look fucking dumb and open up a whole can of aids that would not be worth it
>Gears of War
If Marcus Fenix shows up in Smash I might finally kill myself
I've never played Psychonauts and I don't intend to, so I have no idea how Raz would work in Smash but he's visually interesting to fuck me, I dunno
And that's all I could think of. I'm so glad I waited until the thread was bumplocked on page six to do this.
BUT I'M NOT DONE WITH YOU MOTHERFUCKERS YET
Because guess what? A little game called Mario + Rabbids Kingdom Battle exists so that means fucking UBISOFT has some form of relationship with Nintendo, which means we could see some character from
>Prince of Persia
>Beyond Good & Evil
show up in this god damn game.
I think Rayman, Globox, Barbara, or Jade would be fun to see
I didn't do any reading on what the DLC was supposed to be but I have nothing better to do with my time. I agree that Dark Samus and Ganondorf need their own movesets, and I really like the idea of seeing Leon as another villain from Star Fox to balance things out. Not enough baddies in the game if you ask me. Heracross sounds like a lot of fun but I honestly doubt Nintendo would go for it when they have new games to push.
A pure tome user would be a welcome change of pace for an FE character and it's one of the only reasons I don't mind Robin as much as the others. I always forget about Kloana but I think he and Opa Opa look like they would be a lot of fun. I don't expect Jack would get in based on violence alone, but seeing his design in Smash would be interesting
>Characters I actually want
-Wario Land Wario (NEVER EVER. Shitty minigame compilation Wario is here to stay.)
-Mach Rider (Must remain on bike the whole time, no running around like C.Falcon)
-Neku (No way in hell are we getting a third SE rep though.)
>Characters who I dont particularly want, but think could be an good/interesting choice if handled well
-Mother Beast Lusamine
>Characters who I only want to see just to witness the shitstorm they would create
-Another fucking Marth clone
-A Undertale character (or really Undertale in any form, weather it be music, a stage, or a spirit)
-Shadow the Hedgehog with a OW THE EDGE-based moveset.Also he must pump an SMG like in the opening movie.
Crash, Spyro, Master Chief, Goemon.
Any first party Nintendo characters, Earthworm Jim
You're just a retarded faggot bitching about mascots entirely to be edgy.
Ezio would unironically be a good character choice because he's the only good thing about Assassin's Creed
Brace for even more swordfag cancer.
Since Banjo got in that basically covers all classic nintendo characters.
another f-zero character is difficult just cause black shadow and samurai goroh just don't stand out and their design is way to basic right now. If they do add one of them it would be alongside an f-zero release with a redesign (or maybe a new f-zero villian/hero marking the revival of f-zero). And right now every release is pretty big so mach rider is prob not gonna be added, same with lip.
>but then again I say all this but I had zero clue that joker was gonna be added so I guess anything is possible. especially since that game was rated m.
my money is on either crash or spyro. I think cute and cuddly is more likely than dark and gritty. And if they do add something that isnt cute and cuddley it'd be something adrenaline/action like f-zero or just more anime blobs
Also SNK is trying to inject all its characters into everything right now (other fightans and even a battle royal) so Terry Bogard might be a possibility.
>wtf did I just say Terry Bogard might be in smash, the fuck is going on
Hos did you make this whole indepth list and forget Phoenix wright?
No, Piranha Plant is outside any pack.
Black Shadow could, at the very least, hover through the air like Peach, charge like a bull, use lightning as a reference to Magician's Red's Red Bind, and leave speed-sensitive bombs on the stage or on opponents that, when launched at a high enough speed, turn on and then explode once they've fallen back under that speed.
Or you could put in Silver Neelsen as what is technically a joke character but ultimately plays like how Andrew Jackson used his cane on his would-be assassinator.
Oh, easy, because he wouldn't make a good inclusion into a fighting game :)
It turns out Ezio was in Soulcalibur too so this actually might have a higher chance than you'd think and you might be right, he could have a fun playstyle
the slime would have been a more welcome inclusion, and more iconic I'd reckon, to boot
>people in smash all complaining about sword characters
>each of them for some reason manages to have a brand new take on sword combat, mixing it with magic or items from their series to make it a unique fighter
>nintendo's primary market has been kids, leading to a long line of characters that are either without a weapon or have a sword and shield, since that is one of the most iconic hero looks and it's easy to do very well
>soul calibur, a game where every character's moves are based on a bladed weapon's fighting stance and have only had a select few fist fighters, caters to an even more narrow experience and people will still complain about having the variety of characters in the pool have a straight-sword when you are capable of playing as nearly every character from nearly every series that nintendo has in some small part been connected to
>58 characters do not have swords as their man weapon of choice
>56 strictly do not use swords at all
>38 fight primarily without a weapon (some left out since some fighters could be considered all weapons or mostly weapons)
>each sticking very honest to the playstyle of the character in their series
>each sword fighter is exactly the same way
>15 sword fighters in the entire roster thus far
>one of them is a mii fighter
>"Why are there so many fisticuffs characters in my tekken game?"
Why the fuck do you guys play the nintendo fighting game if you don't like nintendo's franchises? The dev gave you things you wanted and then added things for other people, literally no reason to get fussy other than time not used to put your character in, which, if it was or wasn't happening, wouldn't change with the tantrum you throw for trying to take away from what is someone else's pick. If I had a niche love for some obscure game that hasn't been seen or touched in years by nintendo I wouldn't flinch if the game released in full without even a mention of that series; you're playing bing bing wahoo man fight the big nigger jew from zelda fight the legendary soldier solid boss fight collection bear.
I honestly hope dante is in it with his DMC 1 moveset and I can only hope that they'll think about adding some meters for him for blocking and dodging with little sky stars and royal guard circles, but I won't hold my breath.
>Each of them has a brand new take on sword combat
>9 marth clones and 3 links
you stupid or something
>9 marth clones
>ike, roy, marth, lucina, chrom
the number of marth clones you stated is already more than the actual combined number of characters you mentioned, did you even check your facts before you posted or are you fucking retarded? Pit, dark pit, cloud, hero, shulk, corrin, and robin are the remaining 7 beyond the mii fighter, just to ease the trouble of looking things up for you
>implying robin is even close to being a clone when most of his main stance is charging and responding to assaults with a volley of projectiles
I would mostly consider him a magic fighter, but he has a sword so if I didn't say it someone would have been huffy
>implying that cloud is not his own unique fighter
>implying shulk is not the closest thing to dante combat without the curayzee master himself
>implying that pit and dark pit are not using a set of moves entirely unique to them
>implying corrin's dragon bullshit or whatever they have going on is not completely distant from the simple design the marth "clones" have
>haven't seen much of hero but he looks like a sword and board, in which case we have 4 links if all you see is the posture and equipment before passing judgement
I get that 5 characters being kind of the same in the sense that they have a counter slash, they use a sword, two of them spawn flames when they attack, and two of them are literally just a gender swap is hard to swallow when it feels like the devs aren't putting time into "muh" but you can't tell me you think "HURR ANOTHER SWORD CHARACTER" without also saying, "HURR ANOTHER NON-WEAPON CHARACTER." It's just silly.
quote doesn't seem too farfetch'd right? I know shovel knight only got as far as an assist but i feel like quote as being from one of the prominent indie titles could represent those kind of games as a whole. Sure he ain't as big as other choices and was milked to death by nicalis but hes in another fighting game (an obscure one though) so they could probably copypaste his moveset into smash
The biggest obstacles for him are that he'll just be a glorified megaman clone and that he has shitty chances when you consider shovel knight as an assist
The determining factor when it comes to Japanese games is how big of a hard-on Sakurai has for them.