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>>8743570

Which ones are mandatory*

Gothic 1 & 2 won't require any mods out of you.

Controls my annoy you at first but you the best you can do is just to get used to them.

Gothic 3 is a bit of a Skyrim case.

It is shit. You can try to patch it with mods but I don't believe they will help much. Try it out if this won't be your thing just drop it.

Later we unfortunately didn't get any more Gothic games but Risen series is continuation of it.

Developers lost rights to it I believe and made their own series, which is much more similar to Gothic 1&2 which is nice.

>>8743588

Only 1&2.

>>8743607

I've tried playing Gothic 3 once and got bored pretty quickly. I just assumed it was because I needed to play the first two beforehand.

Gothic 1 controls are shit and compatibility is shit, whereas gothic 2 was tolerable. wat do

>>8743645

Survive through first one. They are RPGs after all.

It would be like starting to watch TV series starting with second season.

>>8743645

>Gothic 1 controls are shit

that argument is regularly being made whenever tank controls are used in a game. i never really understood that point. it merely shows that you have difficulties adapting to anything other than whats now being considered as 'standard' in terms of controls.

the controls arent shit, they are just different. i never had any problems with them back then. in fact, i cant even remember friends bringing that up when we talked about the game.

if you dont play gothic 1 just because of the controls, you miss out on of the few games that did 'open world' right. play it with a keyboard as anyone else has.

its not the controls, its you.

>>8743645

fick you it's the controls what made gothic great.

this is also why arcania and the risen games are shit when compared to gothic

>>8743709

the ctrl+click thingy is unnecessary and it wasn't in gothic 2, it's the only thing I hate about the first one concerning controls, and also the inventory/menus

Any dl link for Gothic 1&2?

>>8743728

>click

please dont tell me you used a mouse to play gothic 1, anon

>>8743769

I did.

for gothic I and II i'd say get some texture mods, nothing that changes the game itself

gothic 3 i never liked, some people say it's playable with the community patch, but what's certain is it is unplayable without it

the combat feels like hitting a cactus with a moist towel

risen 1 is nice too

>>8743769

what's the problem with that.. it plays fine with a mouse

>>8743570

For Gothic 1 and 2 there are no mods necessary to install. there is a quest mod for 2 in which you play that one character you see in Gomez's castle in Gothic 1 and the one from the intro cinematic of G1, but I don't know how good/bad. For Gothic 2 I do recommend playing with the expansion pack Night of the Raven(warning if you install the expansion you need to start a new game as it doesn't support vanilla saves).

There is a community patch for Gothic 3 that tries to balance the game and some people are making a restoration mod which, from what I heard, tries to remake the quests/story. There is also an expansion pack, but it's horribly rushed(even worse than the main game) done by another studio, don't play it. The problem with Gothic 3 is that it had the "We want the Oblivion audience" syndrome. You see G1 and 2 were, in Eastern Europe, the equivalent of TES 1-3 in America. When Oblivion came JoWood pressured PirahnaBytes into making it more open world and so on, but they also rushed the game, which can be felt from the quests and it's Mass Effect 3 style ending. The only good things that I can say about the game is that the game looks stunning even today and the environments are varied even more so than Oblivion and Skyrim. The soundtrack is also stunning, but the story and combat is horrible. I think that if they had another year they could have made a good game. The reason why I don't think it could have been a great game, is because of it's progression structure. You see in G1&2 you had three large camps and you would do quests for each one, before joining one of them. Here we have 10-20 cities and it's like this:

>you go to a town ruled by Orcs, you do quests there to gain trust

>you explore the surrounding woods and find a rebel cave

>you do quests for the rebels as well to gain their trust

>finally you either help the orcs and kill all the rebels or help the rebels and kill all the orcs thus freeing he city

You go to the next city and repeat the process. Even if there are no orcs it's usually assassins and druids. There is also no reason to exterminate the orcs in some cities and exterminate the rebels in other cities, you will usually stick with only one choice.

The main problem I have with this system is that the other cities don't react to this. Even if you "liberate" 3 cities in the fourth one the orcs will behave and act as if nothing went wrong even after weeks of ingame time. At least in G1&2 there were chapters that seperated major events and npcs reacted to them like the (OP don't read this)flooding of the ore mine in G1 that made the Old camp paranoid of you and captured the New Camp's mine. But here there is nothing, the orcs won't start reconquering the other cities, the rebels never give up or care that the other bases were exterminated. There is no reaction.

>>8743607

>Gothic 3 is a bit of a Skyrim case.

What the fuck are you smoking?

With the community patches Gothic 3 is easily on par with the opher two parts but much bigger.

Also the Devs got the rights back years ago. Shortly after that abyssmal 4th part

>>8743780

>The main problem I have with this system is that the other cities don't react to this

They do. After clearing out three cities or rebel caves, all others will turn hostile

>>8743805

>Also the Devs got the rights back years ago.

The problem is that the people that worked at Pirahna Bytes during Gothic 1 and 2 are no longer there. They do not understand what made those games good. They have also shifted their attention towards console which explains Risen 2 and 3(R1 had a console port but was done by another studio as an after thought). If they try to make another Gothic game it's gonna be Arcania 2: Now done by Pirahna Bytes edition.

I can only replay Gothic1+2 so much.

RIP Piranha Bytes.

>>8743772

>>8743772

that could have been a pretty stupid idea and you probably would have had a much better time by playing with just a keyboard.

considering that it was the default configuration and the possibility to use a mouse was added only shortly before release, you can safely assume that the developers intended the game to be played with keyboard only.

its probably not a good idea to use an input method that is not completely digital for a game with tank controls in general.

>>8743821

Yeah you are right, apparently I was talking completely out of my ass. Though I do remember liberating 3 cities and not having all the other orcs from the other cities attacking me at which point I uninstaled the game as I could not stand it anymore, it might have more to do with your rebel popularity. It could also be because of how I liberated those cities. I systematically attacked only one orc at a time(if there was a group I'd exploit their agro range to only fight one). I also did this at nighttime so sometimes even after killing one third of them the other orcs would be neutral towards me, but maybe I don't remember it right.

I did watch the endings on Youtube and they are almost identical so that part wasn't me talking out of my ass

>>8743805

>With the community patches Gothic 3 is easily on par with the opher two parts but much bigger.

I tried it with community patches.

It wasn't still nearly as good as first two still, but if it worked for you it is good I guess.

>>8743845

>On what aspects do the games shine?

Little bit of everything.

Story is good, characters are actually written properly.

Setting is one of the most interesting ones there is, even if they went for more regular fantasy in the second one. Khorinis is still my favourite town in any RPG.

Combat at least have some weight to it, you will fuck up you will die.

>>8743904

That seems interesting.

>>8743988

>Play in German, if possible.

>Hitler dubs

O-oy vey!

Can I play as a happy merchant?

>>8743995

Well it is a German series, so this is probably the best version.

I don't think playing a merchant would work, happy or not.

You can, however, fuck most people over who are brave enough to give you a quest.

>>8743911

>rebel popularity

It's also related to global orcs/faction members killed, stolen goods and more. And playing the vanilla was almost comical when even some objectively cut off/recluse characters would call me out for thievery and such.

>>8744020

sounds like this path will be my choosen one.

can't post Carlos

>>8743988

I'm gonna try the returning mod now, does it work with Gothic 2 gold (the one that includes the expansion pack)

>>8744138

It does, but I think you have to download the right version for it.

Have fun, it's hard as fuck.

>>8743988

Maybe I'll try it out, then.

By the way guys, can anyone confirm if killing Canthar in G2 prevents Sarah from disappearing later? Even if you put him in jail, he later gets out and has her stall in the market. She's removed from the game and her body is dumped in that cave somewhere, like the game does with some NPCs who are meant to disappear, I don't think it's meant she was actually murdered, but my point is, fuck Canthar, can I keep Sarah as the merchant? I need to try this next playthrough.

>>8744395

I've never tried this, but somehow I doubt it.

Returning adds a new merchants guild though, and lets you free Sarah from prison and open a new stand.

>when I have to clear out the new mine with a companion and every single time he immediately jumps off a cliff at the start and I have to do it solo

>he respawns when I move far enough away, screams I'm a thief and then jumps off again

Gorn is the worst thing to ever happen.

>>8744505

Gorn may fall of the first platform in the new mine, but he never called me a thief.

You're not wearing his axe, are you?

>>8744395

the way i know to do this is to get the farmer's clothes before meeting Canthar outside Khorinis, then put them on and talk to him, and say you're just a farmer

anyone got a dl link for the complete editions ?

There is one mod for Gothic 1 & 2 that should be installed. It fixes widescreen, surround sound and most bugs.

http://forum.worldofplayers.de/forum/threads/1340357-Release-Gothic-%C2%BD-%C2%97-SystemPack-%28ENG-DEU%29

>>8744544

You'll just meet him in town and he offers you money to get Sarah thrown in jail.

If you decline or tell the guards about this, he somehow gets out in act 3 or 4 and forces you to pay him a ton of money, otherwise all the other merchants won't talk to you.

>>8744624

I'll just have to try.

inb4 murdering him still makes Sarah disappear and I'll end up with no merchant there

Aside from bug fixing mods you should be good with it vanilla style.

Don't forget to beat up merchants at anarchist(new) camp and take their shit, long as you don't kill them you can fight pretty much everyone(although i remember guards sometimes attacking me when i mugged mages). Gotta love how they thought that part out(fighting in other camps is no-go and first offender gets beaten up).

>>8744725

If you want to kill someone, beat him up first, and when he's standing upright again, shoot him.

This way you get XP again.

>>8744624

did you exactly what i wrote?

http://www.worldofgothic.com/gothic2/?go=g2komplettloesung → look under 008 Access into the city of Khorinis

>>8744826

Huh, that's interesting. He doesn't make you his offer once you're in the city?

>>8744859

i haven't done it myself, but it says so

Risen is too much like gothic, but brings nothing new. Its like the same games with slightly newer package. Also replaying gothic now dont feel as great as it was before. Completely blind run is much better than "do everything". I had a great time playing it.

>>8744882

Just tested it out, he doesn't give you the quest if you meet him as a farmer first.

Too lazy to check if he'll tell the other merchants about your past later, but for now, Sarah seems safe.

You find something new in this game every time.

>>8743769

Mouse works fine for both of them but its only properly supported in gothic 2

>>8743780

>there is a quest mod for 2 in which you play that one character you see in Gomez's castle in Gothic 1 and the one from the intro cinematic of G1, but I don't know how good/bad

That mod's called Velaya. Its actually pretty good, especially if you know german. I recommend playing it after you've completed the main game as it takes place directly after that.

>>8744904

>Its like the same games with slightly newer package

That is only the case with Risen 1. I wish more games were exactly like Gothic.

Gothic 1 and 2 (not sure about 2, but first sure did) had 2 control schemes, you could chose which you want in the options. I always used the nonstandard one, it's much better. You turn with mouse, hold LMB when enemy is highlighted and then use WASD to attack (which also are used to walk) AD attacks on the sides, W is front attack, S is block.

>>8745975

that is the standard one

Also, this game will run on a very slow framerate on Win7, but there's a patch. You need to instal the Player Kit : http://www.worldofgothic.com/?go=dl&fileid=28&dl=true

and this fix : http://www.bendlins.de/nico/gothic/misc/GothicFps-108.zip

You can also play in window mode by editing gothic.ini

>>8744147

>>8745919

>>8746023

Stop this shit, they are completely different games.

Did anyone here played mod for gothic 1 Mroczne Tajemnice (Dark Secrets) ? It's a polish mod, I don't know if they ever made an english translation, but if they did I'd recommend playing it very much. It adds tosn of new items, quests, new types of items such as shields, helmets, you can create new spells, there are 3 or 4 new camps you can join, there's one additional chapter in the middle of the game. It's huge !

I really liked gothic 3 I don't know why people hate it. they probably had too high expectations.

Also, the first Risen is a really good game too.

>>8746091

Ive only played about half an hour when i was young, and about 2 hours 2-3 months ago to refresh my memory. The first thing i can point out is the combat system. Even though I wasn't far in the game I could already tell its simplifield. You no longer had the ability to attack from 3 different angles, you just mash LMB to attack and have random animation. Also very bad voice over (i've played it with polish dub, so idk about english/german, but G1 and G2 had great polish VO)

>>8746043

why you reply to other posters?

reply to the morrowloser coon, we came here for the gothic, not that shit game

>>8746113

the German one was really good. And yes the combat sucks, but that was never a strong point in Gothic games. the exploration and level design are 10/10. and the world is fuckhuge while still having carefully hand placed secrets and other shit.

Seriously, I would play the game just for the exploration of the beautiful levels.

>>8746091

I guess is a question of comunity patch?

I played with the comunitty patch and had the best time. but I assume others who played, had a worse time

>>8746126

Because you idiots just had to reply to him after everybody has ignored it so far.

>>8746135

I played it on release. a ton of bugs, but I still managed to have fun and beat the game. I played with the bow and arrows so kiting enemies was easy and the boars were not a problem for me.

>>8744395

I have done this, and it memory serves, it does work. If the guard doesn't see you do it, you also won't have to pay for it.

>>8746130

My friend from the childhood, he was really crazy about Gothic. I'd play it every now and then, but he would play it everyday start to finish trying every build and shit. Then he got gothic 3. His PC was very slow, he played on the lowest settings with 10-15 fps. But he managed to almost beat it. But he couldn't finish the game because of a funny bug.

Now keep in mind that I didnt play the game and it was so long ago I don't remember all details. He was exping in the forest using bow. He aims at some goblin, shots, the goblin moves and the arrow hits some human. He ran away. My friend ignored him, kept exping, but after than when he returned to the city everyone was hostile towards him. And he had to kill some king and take some item from him. So he tried over and over, finally somehow skeaned into the castle, but then the King just ran away and he couldnt find him. He was gone from the map.

>>8746091

I was never able to finish G3. It wasn't the combat, really, or even the mass of terrible bugs, which was hella annoying. The main problem was the entire form of the game - story not progressing in any way you could feel, very little attachment to NPCs, few interesting quests, and the entire free open world, where you can go anywhere, but no matter where you go it won't be as interesting as the average bushes or caves in G1/2.

I felt like things were finally "right" when I explored Nordmar, the atmosphere and world design there was fantastic, but that's about it. The rest of the game was just too bland, and it didn't feel like my story or even my exploration mattered.

>>8746091

I bought it when it came out, and it was unplayable.

One of the biggest disappointments in my live.

A few years later I played it with the community patch, which made it okay, but the first two games are vastly superior.

>>8743828

>The problem is that the people that worked at Pirahna Bytes during Gothic 1 and 2 are no longer there. They do not understand what made those games good.

Huh?

I recall checking the credits and seeing the same creative director they always had, so I assumed their newer games were shit only because they got fucked over by publishers, which is damn common for them.

I'm not exactly holding my breath for a good new Gothic game, but is it really that bleak?

>>8746211

of all games G3 was the first where there were actual interesting NPC's are you kidding me? sounds like you are talking about g1 where there are 5 or 6 unique NPCs at best.

the map is really good too, feels huge but is actually pretty streamlined to get you to the NPC's and quests.

I agree Nordmar was a peak, but well that is just a small part of it

>>8746225

do you have the soundtrack? I have to download those comfy nordmar beats latter on

>>8746245

No, I am not kidding. G3 had meh NPCs. Talk to someone a few times, move on, never meet them again. Nothing like G1/2's NPCs who moved around the world as the story progressed, or major NPCs that you had to keep coming back to because they were important.

>>8746235

>Bethesda games

>80 people

>millions of dollars

>virtually unlimited resources

>Skyrim

>snow in caves

>Gothic Saga

>12 krauts stuffed in a poorly lighted basement

>jew publisher whipping their backs

>so few money you have to choose whether to put violin track in main theme or eat tomorrow evening

>masterpiece of videoludic

>>8746250

Official FLAC

https://torrentz.eu/bba755bec5339b62ec8db6deec154d99c937c3e9

Torrent with every Gothic game soundtrack: official, bonus, gamerip, limited editions. Too bad they're mp3.

https://torrentz.eu/c72b7156cd7b1b0207907ac4337751c1da65cd2f

>>8744904

>Risen is too much like gothic, but brings nothing new.

It has better Dungeons and Traps. Also the Island Faranga in Risen 1 is really fucking beautiful, even more so than the Island Khorinis from Gothic1&2.

I favor how the factions work in Gothic 1&2 and some of their quests, but outside of Vampires the Masquerade Bloodlines, I have rarely seen such a thick atmosphere in a Video Game. Especially the night times are really intense, there was a Trailer for Risen I can't find anymore, about a guy being hunted by a Dark Beast and you can experience the exact same moot in the Game, when you hunt Monsters in already visited Regions after each chapter. It really makes you afraid of being outside a Camp during Night time.

Gothic 1&2 together are better than Risen 1, but as a standalone experience Risen 1 is the better Game.

>>8743588

Gothic 1.

This game has the best atmosphere. You go into a prison colony and you get the feeling, everyone wants to kick your teeth in.

Gothic 2 is pretty good. The story is pretty straightforward, since you know from the very beginning who the final boss is and what you have to do. It's more about how you get there, but still, no mysteries, nothing. Atmosphere is still good, albeit weaker than the first. You will meet a lot of "friendly" faces from the first game, so it's recommended to play the first game first.

I like how the implemented the addon Night of the Raven. Instead of being a prequel or sequel, it's actually interweved with the main-story. Also even more "friendly" faces from the first game.

Dunno about the third game.

>>8746235

Piranha Bytes suffered the same fate as Team Silent.

The big people behind the original Games left or only do minimal part time work on the Games, while less important people got promoted and reenforced with new ones.

Also their business model changed, Risen from 2009 had no DLC, while Risen 2&3 from 2012 and 2014 had three DLCs. There was even some interview I belief, were the Company talked about wanting to reach a new Demographic. More generic Video Game mass market, instead of continuing their Gothic legacy like they did with Risen 1.

At the moment they are working on a Game called ELEX, a post apocalyptic Sci Fi RPG: http://www.elexgame.com/

>>8747812

wrong thread?

no way this is gothic

>>8748029

Quick google search *you fucking mong** says it's made by the same people who made gothic

>>8748029

Read my post >>8747767, this is Piranha Bytes news Game after Risen 3. Suppose to come out either this Winter or 2017.

http://www.gamezone.com/previews/first-look-at-elex-piranha-bytes-and-nordic-team-up-at-gamescom-2015-jvmj

Gothic 3 wasnt that bad, it was easier and had a fuckton of bugs on release. Also the story wasnt as interesting as the first two. The game shined when you got to the icy mountains, but thats maybe just me and my fetish for games where you are isolated on hostile places full of ice.

1 and 2 are must play, 1 has kind of shit ending but dont let that keep you from playing 2 which is one of the best wrpg ever

both games have texture and enb mods that make them look pretty decent, you might get weirded out by the animation at first if you are a newfag or consoleshitter

Gothic 3 wasnt that bad, it was easier and had a fuckton of bugs on release. Also the story wasnt as interesting as the first two. The game shined when you got to the icy mountains, but thats maybe just me and my fetish for games where you are isolated on hostile places full of ice.

I hate the spam click combat in their newer games

am im the only on e that thinks that risen 2 is not that bad

>>8750792

its the ones with pirates?

i didnt play even 10 minutes of that garbage

>Gothic 3

10 years later, I'm still mad. Lesson learned: never fucking hype for anything.

>>8743904

Gothic was at one point developed for consoles as well, though that was dropped. But controls still remain.

>>8750792

It wasn't good, didn't even finish it but I had my share of fun with it, some quests and dialogues were enjoyable and it's not like I paid for the game anyway so no hard feeling. Risen 1 was way better though, haven't played 3 yet.

If you get Gothic 3 from GOG it already includes the community patch which fixes A LOT of shit.

Otherwise all you need for Gothic 2 (best gothic game) is:

-Vurts Gothic II Graphics Overhaul

-g2icp_v2.10_setup

-g2notr-systempack-1.1

-gothic2_fix-2.6.0.0-rev2

-gothic2_vdfs-patch

Don't listen to the faggits who says you don't need mods, this will fix bugs and make the game way more pretty.

>>8744395

The trick is to jail him and then murder him in there

>>8747812

I can't wait to play this, I think they made the greatest WRPG every with Gothic 2, I can't imagine how great this will turn out now that we have better technology, I mean Gothic 2 looked amazing back then. The studio knows what it's doing.

But seriously, I'm just sad I'll never ever see a rpg like gothic 2 again, is there anyone else who thinks it's the best wrpg?

>>8748059

nice spoiler, sure showed me.

>>8748085

Oh, I didn't play risen yet, but I did expect to be in the same line as Gothic somehow.

great difference though.

>>8746225

>Gothic 3 is the best Gothic game.

If you like bethesda game than sure it sure might feel like that with the horrible writing non existent role-play and mmotier quests, but let's be honest Gothic 2 is the best one.

>>8746365

I'be honest anon, that acutally sounds pretty good, the biggest problem of gothic 3 was that the developers fucked up a pretty good formula and tried to elderscrooled it.

>>8751962

>Getting hyped for a modern PB game

Spare yourself the suffering.

Hope for the best, expect the worst.

The issue with the community patch is that it balances the combat to be better and make less of a walking tank right from the beginning, which is good.

But the game isn't balanced out to accommodate this.

When liberating settlements, you get few people to help you out, because in the original game you are literally the baddest badass of all time and having too many people backing you would make things too easy.

Also, with the community patch, I couldn't go anywhere without getting curbstomped by random critters.

This is what I hate about PB, for Gothic 3.

Gothic 3 really had the chance to be the greatest Gothic and one of the greatest WRPG of all time.

They knew the combat was a shit clickspam where you hope to stunlock the enemy before he stunlocks you and kills you in a few hits. They KNEW it. Instead of fixing it, they built the fucking game around it. The community patch DOESN'T fix this because the game was DESIGNED to be like this, hence the gorillion guards you have to kill be yourself when you liberate cities this also goes completely against the main mantra of Gothic, which is basically that you start off as a little shit who gets curbstomped by everyone, eventually you grow in strength and start kickin ass

Jesus christ, this makes me sad because:

>the map was great, big and diverse

>lots of factions

>liberating cities and rebel camps is a fun concept

Also, is Risen 3 any good? Did they manage to do it?

I just want PB to make a great game again. I've seen with Risen they almost did it.

They fucking deserve it.

>>8755099

>Also, is Risen 3 any good? Did they manage to do it?

Haven't played it, but a lot of people on the internet are complaining about the Ending, which at least means its good enough to play through.

>>8755099

Risen 3 is better than Risen 2 and Gothic 3, but worse than Risen 1 and Gothic 2/3.

The ending is sort of meh (there's two you can get depending on some choices) but it's not terrible.

I liked it all in all and plan to replay it this summer.

>>8755172

>>8755199

Thank you anons, I think I will give Risen 3 a chance when I can.

Just to see where PB is going

>>8755199

This is fairly accurate, it's nowhere as great as the actual good games by PB but not nearly as bad as the disasters that were Risen 2 and Gothic 3. I think it reuses a fair bit of the Risen 2 terrain as well.

>>8752260

I only played Skyrim and hated it.

Gothic 2 is too epic and straight-forward, lacks the atmosphere from the first game and the freedom, the scale, the immersion from the third.

>>8756853

some immersion that was to feel like my sword is made of butter with each swing

>>8756920

That was The Witcher 3.

>>8755099

Risen 3 is shit.

It's the same clickspam as the previous ones but and with unlimited mana so you can clickspam magic from distances where enemies can't reach you.

And holy shit, whenever the good goy protag opens his mouth I just want to turn of the game

>>8756985

>good goy protag

What do you mean?

>>8757043

it's you

>>8766762

Whoa, surprised Gothic earned its own feel OC.

i liked risen 2

>>8757043

The guy you play you dingu.

How many of you have played Gothic Online?

http://gothic-multiplayer.com/en/

I tried it a few years ago and it was awful.

>>8772655

Never heard of it.

>>8772661

I've seen a few let's plays of it and it just looks like a crude MMO. I logged in to this one server. I got put in the wizards place in the Old Camp. There was a character creation dialogue which I remember having difficulty getting through. I walked around the Old Camp for a bit and it was unplayable due to crashes. This was years ago so maybe it's gotten better. I like the idea and I remember wishing there was a Gothic MMO like way back when these games were coming out, but I didn't enjoy it this time around.

>>8772688

xDDDDD

>>8743764

See

>>>/scurv/9651

WinCdemu or how ever it's spelt worked fine.

I would suggest reading the pcgamingwiki page for them.

Mages are underpowered in these games. It's a shame because some spells are really cool. The biggest problem is that mana is very scarce and it takes a lot of learn points to get mana and spells. And you typically can't do much with magic until you are already decently high leveled. Last time I played NOTR I became a fire mage and it made the game almost impossible. Since I did Yarkendar first, every dragon but the swamp one restored their health too quickly to kill. I had to rely on summoning golems and demons. Had I planned my character better to ignore strength and just go for dexterity while relying on that one sword in Xardas' tower, it could have gone better, but I ended up having to do a lot of grinding and resetting.

Also the way they change getting stats is messed up. You pay more learn points for the same amount of a skill when you are at a certain level. And it depends on the faction too. But you can also increment it slightly and then get a bunch at once to save on learn points. So you have to do that stupid trick every time you want to get stronger unless you want to waste your levels and it's annoying.

>>8772655

As far as I know, Gothic Multiplayer as a project is completely dead. The website you linked to is mostly disused, the forums offline, and the person who originally made GMP gone without a trace.

Some other guys continue the endeavor here:

http://gothic-online.com.pl/

but they only have two people in the team and I'm pretty sure I've read somewhere that at least one of them is still in high school.

They're also going completely the wrong way about all this, I think. They've closed the source, only allowing bug reports, and the forums are not viewable by guests for some reason, either.

Something tells me they're just kids wanting to feel elite among their peers for hacking C, or whatever language they're using, I'm no a programmer, I just write some simple Python programs every now and then, and it is impressive to me how they managed to use some online connectivity framework to connect two games together and hook it all up to some scripting language for further customisation. It just bothers me that their English seems even worse than mine and they appear to be unfamiliar with Stallman's ideals of free software. It's like they want their efforts to go completely to waste once their youthful enthusiasm runs out.

As for the game servers created so far: it seems most of them aimed to make Gothic into a crude MMORPG of sorts, complete with pay2win item shops. I cannot get behind that movement. All I've ever wanted was online co-op.

>>8773022

Dex melee is amazing, there are only four or five weapons for it, but they're easily enough until you get your hands on the Claw of Belial.

As a bonus, you can finally use all those bows and pickpocket everyone.

>>8776123

at the same time it's weaker than str melee, because of the way dmg is calculated, so you mostly use it just to finish people off after shooting them

>>8776161

Yeah you're right, but it's still a nice variation, especially for someone like me who would never touch a bow otherwise.

>>8773022

Mages aren't easy to play. You need a lot of pre planning to play them smoothly and you don't really get the great spells until the final chapter.

The problem with it is that most spells are useless whereas others have very specific uses.

You are forced to rely on scrolls for smooth progression but the final dungeon is an absolute cakewalk with infinite Rain of fire and Summon Demon casts and having Iceblock on demand is a godsend due to the limited availability of scrolls.

>Since I did Yarkendar first, every dragon but the swamp one restored their health too quickly to kill. I had to rely on summoning golems and demons

You have to do Jharkendar before killing the dragons if I remember correctly.

You won't actually have an easier time soloing the dragons with any other class. They hit hard and can stun lock you. Summoning a demon is literally the best course of action for fighting the dragons which is why you save 2 scrolls for them. If you run out of the scrolls you are supposed to team up with the dragon slayer at the beginning of the area to kill them.

>>8776161

>at the same time it's weaker than str melee

Not by much. The master sword is pretty powerful. You can 3 hit all mobs but the highest tier ones using it. Doesn't matter though because Claw of Belial is literally the best melee weapon in game.

>>8776206

Betty from that one sleeping bandit in Jharkendar is even stronger, but since critical hits from your weapon skill deal extra damage depending on your strength, strength melee is quite a bit stronger later in the game. Dex melee still works fine, of course.

>>8776206

>You can 3 hit all mobs but the highest tier ones using it.

well that depends on your stats - as far as i remember the formula was

hit = (weapon damage + strength)/10 - armor

crit = weapon damage + strength - armor

so unless you have 100% in one handed or at least some decent str i doubt you can 3 hit an ork warrior for example

>>8776245

Claw of Belial is strongest because it's special attack ignores armor. You'd have to increase your strength to around 250+ to counter that.

>>8776254

oops

damage = (weaponDamage + strength - armor - 1)/10

it's that.. crit same undivided

>>8776255

I'm sorry, I should have specified that.

I meant Betty is stronger than the master rapier, of course.

Nothing can match the unlimited manifestation of rape and lightning strikes that is the Claw of Belial.

hold up

dexterity-based melee weapons only get bonus damage from strength and not dex?

I thought this was only the case with crossbows that their damage scaled with a different stat than the one required to wield them

>>8776314

yeah, every mele weapon gets a bonus just from str, and every ranged - just from dex

as for the claw.. i liked how if orks are killed by lightning they take a couple of more seconds to die.. like they don't realize they're dead… might be a bug but it always felt good

>>8743727

I played G2 in first person, m8. But it was as a mage.

>>8776771

*first person perspective

>>8776771

is there a mod for that..?

the regular first person goes off as soon as you unsheath your weapon, doesn't it

>>8773022

Hm, I haven't played a mage in NoTR, but in the base G2 mages had a tough chapter 1 and quickly became ridiculously OP.

Are the spells you get in exchange for the Claw any good?

On the topic of the Claw of Beliar, it's kind of a shame how strong it is, in my Paladin playthrough there was no reason to use anything else until the ending credits once I got it.

>>8776942

I once brought only the Claw to the last fight.

And didn't save a long time before that.

Felt really stupid.

>>8772655 (checked)

I remember I've played some Gothic multiplayer on roleplay server. It was nice but it sure lacked a lot of stuff like functional NPCs that could fight, trading system and shitload of other stuff.

Another thing I've remembered is that gothic multiplayer seriously lacked English players. Every server was either Russian, German or Polish which fucking sucked.

>>8777509

Not a big surprise, I'd wager the series is pretty much unknown outside of Germany and Eastern Europe.

>>8777509

That's okay, I understand. I used to be in a Gothic roleplaying forum where we'd write stories. I bet we would have played the MMO if it existed at the time.

And the game was MASSIVE in Poland so I wasn't even surprised to see all the Polish in those screenshots >>8772688

>>8781050

I'll try to be as unspoilerific as possible. Everything after you choose a side is railroaded so the side you choose is more about the flavor and perks.

If you want to go mage though you have to pick the old camp to get access to magic early.

>>8781246

So, just stay here if I want to be a battle mage?

>>8781326

Full Mage for Old Camp, good warrior build is New Camp, and all the losers who aren't particularly good in any category go to the Sleeper cult cause they're plebes.

Mage is the hardest build cause you have to master running away and splitting your stats cripples you hard.

>>8781356

If you thikn that's comfy wait till you reach gothic 2, that game has btw the best reused assets in videogame history.

>>8781575

If that's chapter 2 than you are not meant to defeat them.

>>8781770

It is, muh exp

>>8781356

I found Gothic 1's environment lackluster compared to the hype but I loved that song that plays from lare's speech and only that one little campsite plays that consistently (and it eludes me to this day cause the soundtracks don't have that specific piece play), then I played Gothic 2 and my mind was blown as soon as I left the starting area. I didn't know what to expect but my jaded old self was stripped away and my giddy old self lost it into Gothic 2.

>>8781575

Fuck, just this webm makes me want to play it again. That music.

>>8776016

>One more step

>Please complete the security check to access gothic-online.com.pl

Oh boy. And I'm pretty sure they're using Lua. Also, don't confuse copyleft with free software.

>You have to do Jharkendar before killing the dragons if I remember correctly.

I could have sworn it was optional. I don't think you even need to do Jarkendar to beat the game, like in vanilla. However I do remember reading that the dragons get a buff if Jarkendar is done first.

>>8776443

Speaking of bugs in G1, I remember seeing a ridiculously fast speedrun that was filled with bug abuse. It was basically the character running straight from the baptism to the Sleeper. My favorite one was how he made the last undead ork shaman fall off the side of the cliff.

>>8777509

I can speak one of those languages, so it was fine with me. But it would definitely be a problem if you don't.

>>8777642

I agree. There's still a massive community for it in Poland. And some of the content they produce is quite entertaining. They're still making movies and mods and such.

>>8781050

New Camp is probably the easiest. Don't go Swamp if you want to be a mage. It locks you at spell ring 4(there's 6 in total).

>>8781356

Just wait until you hear Diego's voice in G2. Orcs lift their weapon over their head and charge. If you get in a pattern, you can jab them as they are charging, step back, have them charge again, and finish them off like that. But it's harder when there's multiple ones. And yes it's silly how you can beat everyone up in town one by one and rob them. They fixed it in G2 though.

By the way you guys should check out the Gothic 1 movie. The original was in German but there's an English version too. It's good even if you've already played the game.

is the magic and exploration good?

>>8783849

Exploration is great, it's something this series is famous for among its fans. Magic… well, I liked it, but ymmv.

I got into Gothic last year. It was pretty good.

Got through playing the first game, liked it.

The second one felt more generic. Being stuck in a fantasy prison was more interesting but it did feel like a a continuation of what would happen. Played through the Raven DLC.

Heard there was a female character mod, tried messing around with it, didnt get it working and ultimately just dropped it in frustration.

Maybe I should get back to it. Kind of disappointing that there arent really that many character model mods since there is even a weird game command control in 2, to build a character but then it cant interact with main player stuff anymore (resting in beds, making spells, etc).

>>8776832

Not if you edit the .ini file.

Steck die scheiß Waffe weg!

>>8773022

Make potions from herbs. The freezing spell, if it hits its target. is very good.

>>8784199

I haven't played in a while but it's more about the mana limit than the amount of mana that you can get. And even if you use potions, it tends to be expensive. I remember only being able to use an attack like 2-3 times before being out of mana. And drinking isn't always possible in combat. I typically ended up using magic to weaken enemies then finish them off with a sword. This would leave me low on both health and mana, so I went to sleep. This is what I meant by grinding.

>>8784129

Das hab ich doch schon immer gesagt…

>>8784129

Warrum das schwert ruhige eis krahen gut

>>8743570

>Who is best girll?

m8 there are no girls in gothic. this is a mans universe.

gothic 1 and 2 play fine without mods, although i think there is a mod that basicly turns the gothic 1 fighting system into that of gothic 2 which is almost the same but not nearly as clunky.

>>8743805

>Gothic 3 is easily on par with the opher two parts but much bigger

i disagree. the world is great, maybe even better than the ones before, but there are literaly no memorable characters. even your mates from 1 and 2 have like 5 lines of dialogue each, which was a huge dissapointment to me.

I still like gothic 3 more than almost any open world rpg that came out in the last 5 years. they all make the same mistakes, but dont have any of the good parts, like the world that is actualy interesting and fun to explore.

>Also the Devs got the rights back years ago. Shortly after that abyssmal 4th part

first of all, there is no gothic 4. secondly the devs have pretty much gone to shit. few of the original gothic people remain and you just have to play risen 2 to see that they have been replaced by retards.

i have some hope for their new project though, which is a pretty unique looking scifi setting.

>>8743988

ive replayed gothic 2 about 7 times and never stumbled over this mod. ill try it out.

Are the controls for these games really that awkward? And can I run it on my toaster of a laptop like Morrowind

>>8786864

gothic 1 is clunky as fuck. gothic 2 is much better in that regard.

the first two you can run without problem, the third on is pretty demanding.

>>8786886

>>8786864

I prefer the G1 controls, I think they're pretty straight forward.

Just forget about using the mouse for anything but looking around, and you'll be fine.

>>8787005

>I prefer the G1 controls

I'd rather do everything by keyboard or use xpadder to play with controller than using mouse

>>8787005

>I prefer the G1 controls

this

I'd rather do everything by keyboard or use xpadder to play with controller than using mouse

>>8787053

>>8787063

god damn it hotwheels

Does anybody have a Hash of G2? The one some anon dropped for me was Blyat language.

>>8788131

There's a gog version, just look on KAT.

>>8788359

You almost got away, friend. Trying to climb there was pretty creative. If you can do any damage to them, it's better to immediately turn around once you're on solid ground and swing your sword preventing the lizard from reaching the shore and attacking you.

>>8788359

>letting that first lizard drown

Enjoy loosing XP.

>>8781575

>>8788359

there was a great advance from G1 to G2 huh.

I played only 1 and skipped to 3 because I actually disliked G1 gameplay. so I didn't know.

looking good though;

>>8791095

Well I would highly recommend playing gothic 1 first because the 2nd one is basically it's immediate sequel.

>>8744147

>I you Chim

>>8792556

learn to read you living abortion coon.

I played G1 already, it was garbage. it was so garbage that I skipped G2

>>8792876

just passing by to say that I reported you

I've been playing since G1 was brand new and it took me until probably the past year to realize the controls are clunky. It was never a thing to me. The last thing I thought about when playing was the controls.

>>8794741

>I wish the game actually expanded on the map for the colony or some shit instead of just reworking everything.

Keep playing.

>>8794741

>Xadars tower looks similar to what it used to be but it was still within the colony borders. So it doesn't make much sense that absolutely nothing looks similar to the first game when I left the tower.

Dude, different tower, you're not in the colony anymore. Keep playing.

>>8794741

Keep playing, and FYI you can't cheese the beast AI's the same way (not that there isn't a way it's just different) like you could in the first game by taking casual swipes to force them in a loop. Like Shadowbeasts. Oh and Night of the Raven makes the game harder.

As for melee you should also put some points into dexterity, because you'll need the damage boost for crossbows which is the bows for strength builds.

>>8793020

jigaboo

>>8794944

I wouldn't bother spending points for dex or crossbows, you need them for more strength and your weapon skill of choice.

You'll get quite a few points of everything for free, and as a full melee character you hardly ever have to shoot at something. Also you'll probably have a load of scrolls to pull something.

>>8794878

>>8794899

>Different tower

Alright that makes sense. I think…

It looks a lot similar to the old one so you can't blame me for thinking otherwise.

>>8794944

I wasn't huge on bows/crossbows on 1. I mainly used it to pick off single enemies when I didn't want to take the possible damage from them. Otherwise I never use them on groups/packs because it attracts all of them rather than just the one.

It kind of erks me that weapons need Dexterity now. I hope it's not to essential since I would rather focus on a melee build this time around.

A bit off topic to all of this but the cutscenes aren't working for me. I tried disabling my AA for my video card as well as editing the ini video settings but I get nothing. The game is a lot less buggy than 1 though so thank god for that.

>>8796589

There's only one part near the end where you have to shoot a lever, but like in G1, there's a very basic bow and a few arrows nearby.

>>8796589

>It looks a lot similar to the old one so you can't blame me for thinking otherwise.

You will notice that there are a lot less ladders in G2. If I'm not mistaken, there is only one.

>A bit off topic to all of this but the cutscenes aren't working for me. I tried disabling my AA for my video card as well as editing the ini video settings but I get nothing. The game is a lot less buggy than 1 though so thank god for that.

I had this problem too. I think it's a factor of having a newer computer. You should download this program(www.bikplayer.com) and use it to play the video files that are in the installation directory manually. It's crude but it works.

>>8796589

Yes but Xardas tells you right at the beginning thats a different tower.

Shortly afterwards you meet Lester in the small hidden valley, who points out that the Tower just showed up from one day to the next.

So do I have to Join the Militia or a magician circle in order to get in to Town Hall in G2? I'm getting kind of sick of having to join shit just to enter a small area to advance the plot. It seems to be all these games are about.

>>8797026

Yea when I went though all the dialog I presumed he wouldn't have another row left after I stopped talking to him. That was my fault I guess. I recently went back and did both of these things.

>>8797078

Or you join the Mercenaries and become their messenger.

>I'm getting kind of sick of having to join shit just to enter a small area to advance the plot. It seems to be all these games are about.

Nigger, this is about joining one of the main factions. Of course you need to do that if you want the game to progress.

>>8797188

Yea just like G1. I guess I like the option of having a lone wolf route. Mainly because I want it to be more difficult I didn't want to join a faction in G1 either but then I got over it as soon as I found out it didn't even really matter.

Also damn this game is a lot harder than G1.

>>8797563

Do you have the expansion?

>>8800563

Yeah, Night of the Raven makes the game a lot more difficult.

Especially the beginning can be quite hard.

Explore the world, kill every animal you're able too and don't mess with people except the ones you know are weak, and do quests you are able to. There's multiple solutions to almost every quest, like the orc weapon for the smith for example. You could kill an orc, find one lying in the cave to the left outside of the market gate, or buy it from someone at Onar's farm.

Talk to Lares at the harbor, he can lead you a few places, and you get the xp for everything he kills.

I always leave 1h at 30% for a while and focus on strength, for the beginning that's enough to strike fast and gives you decent combos. If you're patient and don't fuck up, that is enough to defeat every human who isn't a master at fighting, but you'll deal almost no damage to them and one hit will probably send you to the ground.

Learn sneaking and lockpicking and steal everything you can at night when people sleep.

There's a ring that gives a few points strength on a small ledge besides the cave near the market city gate.

>>8796050

Alchemy pays for itself too, as with it you can make potions that improve your stats permanently that you can't otherwise.

>>8800563

Buy every summoning scroll for Golems and Demons, you'll need them for the Dragons.

And when fighting beasts you don't parry as a rule, you go backwards. Even lizards.

>>8801154

I mostly learn that in mid- to endgame, since I wont use the potions as long as skills are decently cheap anyway.

>>8801154

only you must wait until your stats get to 150+ or whatever before drinking permanent potions / reading tablets → because of the way lp costs increase…

>>8800563

1) get 1k gold

2) go to Daron the fire mage in Khorinis (hangs at the market)

3) starts donating gold to him (as far as i remember the amount you donate does not matter)

4) after each donation he gives you bonus hp, after you've donated 1k gold he gives you 5 more for free

this won't make a great difference but will help somewhat

(easiest way to make money is to apprentice with Harad)

>>8800563

Don't spread around your skill points too much.

You can actually beat a good chunk of the game without much changes. Get enough dexterity to wield the bandit rapier.

Use healing items and health potions liberally apart from the Dark mushrooms as they get outclassed very quickly to the point of being useless later on.

Scrolls to collect are Ice Block, Summon Demon, Summon Golem.

I recommend joining the Mercenaries or Paladins for starters. Don't join a faction until you've done every single quest though

>>8801507

i always find it better to not put any points in dex unless i'm going for a ranged build…

>>8801530

Dex is always useful, especially for lockpicking and pick pocketing

>>8801530

Dex swords are better then ranged swords at the beginning.

>>8801550

*strength swords

>>8801538

for pickpocketing yes, but i can live without it (i don't think i get enough xp for my investment)

as for lockpicking you get tons lockpicks so it doesn't matter if they break

>>8801566

that doesn't mean to waste your points if you are not going to be using dex down the line

Am I the only one who thought Risen 1 had the best (melee) combat in the entire Gothic/Risen series, or in any action WRPG?

It wasn't a huge stunlockfest like the previous games (resulting in enemies sometimes attacking you in the middle of your combo, although you can do the same), you couldn't just spam leftclick and had to utilize sideswings, and you actually had a fucking shield. The hit chance of your bow and arrows wasn't entirely reliant on your dexterity since you could aim manually, instead it mostly affected damage.

The problem was that it didn't have a stamina bar (which G3 ironically had), so you could spam power attacks and turtle with your shield in corners indefinitely, and enemy variety was sorely lacking. Despite all the bows and arrows on the island, human-sized enemies only fight you with swords. Those goblin things do occasionally throw rocks at you and lizard mages do sometimes throw firebolts in your face, although that rarely ever happens.

There's stuff like weapon progression for swords being superior over staves because naturally everyone plays as a swordsman on their first playthrough.

Overall, I thought they did a good job at the combat, so it's a shame it got ruined with shittier combat in the sequels which is present in most modern shovelware WRPGs.

>>8801671

The only thing I didn't like in Risen was the ending.

Holy fuck was that retarded.

All your skills matter for jackshit on the final boss.

Ignoring that, the rest of the game is indeed pretty good. One of the things that blew my mind was walking into the first ruin without a loading screen.

That alone made me look into the franchise and I discovered Gothic because of that.

I haven't beaten the first one yet, but I liked what I played. Got go back and finish it before going to the second.

**I once bought the Expansion stand alone before I even knew about Gothic and Risen. All I thought was "Uh, Gothic, eh? I hear this is suposed to be good."

I found it broke as fuck but still powered on through half of it before going on /v/ and discovering what was wrong.

>>8800817

I killed an orc by finding one in a cave and running to the guards. because I like to cheese AI like that. The funny thing is that the guard that was trying to bribe me for protection got his shit pushed in and died on the spot. I await the game where the AI will kill you for doing stupid shit like that.

Even though I don't really want to be a thief this is the first RPG I'm actually considering it. I'm pretty good at finding hidden items though and I got around 200G just from jumping around the rooftops of the harbor which have a bunch of leather satchels for some reason.

>>8801271

I was planning on it since Golem scrolls in G1 were OP as fuck. I would rather just buy 1 type since if you summon more than 1 type they begin to start fighting. They might have fixed that in this game but who knows. I won the final boss by summoning over 6 Golems and just stabbing the hearts without even dealing with the demons

>>8801444 (checked)

It's a good thing I chose Harad then I guess.

>>8801507

I currently just got a slightly better weapon than the Wolfs Tooth. My Strength is 30 and my dex is around 18 which I intend to spend 5 or so skill points on. I've been thinking Mercenaries are the way to go though since the Paladins are assholes and I apparently can't lone wolf it. Lee's a good character anyway.

>>8803784

That's the cave with the ring if you can still use it, there's a small ledge directly to the right when facing the entrance.

There's a decent sword in one of the guard towers, the key is lying on the table in the militia barracks.

>>8803784

You only need one summon, it's primary purpose is to keep the Dragon grounded so you can actually kill it. Demons are OP as fuck though it can't kill a Dragon by itself.

>>8803784

As far as I'm aware, the leather satchel thing is somehow referenced in the game, I think it's something like the merchants secure their money that way or something like that.

By the way, in G2, there's a special amulet that appears under a pine tree on a plateau near where you find Lester. It's near some lizards. And it's not there in the first chapter. I found it bizarre at first as there is no explanation for why it would appear there. I remember that the amulet changed depending on which faction you joined. And it's a pretty good one too. It's worth getting.

Oh, also, make sure to talk to one of the guys inside of the bar where the guy attacks you. It's next to where you find Lares. If you use the right dialogue options, he'll lead you to the thieves guild. Otherwise I think the only other place you can learn pickpocketing is from the pirates.