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It should have ended with 2. 3 was an amazing game so I'm glad it came out, but the plot and theme is untimely unimportant, which is why it went for more of a spy story, character driven drama.

The main series should have ended with 2, and 3 should have came out as a spin-off or something.

1. Sequels are cancer.

The main problem that the later games tried to explain every little detail from every event to every character that quickly turns the story into a big convuluted mess, rather than just leaving to speculation.

>>8778554

Yes, mostly because sequels are incredibly easy to fuck up from fucking up the lore, gameplay, mechanics, alienating your fanbase, your development team, so on and so forth. If anything, sequels to plot-heavy games are cancer.

>>8778397

MGS3 being the last would have kind of closed the loop of, "who is Big Boss?" It's tough considering the West didn't get Metal Gear 1 and 2 back in the day, as Big Boss was only a reference in MGS1. The remainder of his story could have been summed up in the epilogue of MGS3 about what set him to eventually snap.

Didn't Kojima say that every game in the series was originally supposed to be where it ended, but Konami kept forcing him to make more?

It should have ended at 4 but 4 should have been much, much better than it was. 4's problem is that it really doesn't stand on its own

>>8780750

Took the words right out of my mouth. 4 was a good send-off from the series. It wasn't perfect story-wise but it wrapped up the series really nicely.

Solid 1 because writing quality went out the window after that point and the gameplay was never good enough to warrant the series' continued existence.

>>8778397

2, Kojima should have kept making great games like ZoE or Policenauts, you know, new IPs

1, it was supposed to be the end and Snake continuing to fight after it completely ruins his character arc.

With 1. The series as a whole got old pretty fast right about where it ditched the basic binary LoS stealth and decided having a long action scene with a chopper, sticking you in rooms with unavoidable except with Chaff cameras and turrets, absurdly long cutscenes where every fucking boss sans ocelot has to tell you their life's story before and after fighting, etc

Then MGS 2 came out and the cutscenes got even longer and while the gameplay was neat Big Shell was just an awful place to be, especially since it required you to backtrack all over the place and then the later half was a pointless escort mission and completely ditching stealth for a sword(which I admit was really enjoyable).

MGS3's alright but I feel like some features feel tacked on, like the whole survival aspects could have been fleshed out a bit instead of just being some menu you occasionally go to. Also I felt CQC made you pretty overpowered because unlike the other games where getting caught was a real pain in the ass and you had to do your best to avoid guards at all costs you could just easily CQC everything and then get out of the instance before they wake up and get to your location.

My biggest problem with the series is the gameplay itself. It's way too basic and trying to look cool instead of actually being cool. Granted the games have their fair share of really interesting gimmicks like with all the TECHNOLOGY but not much of that is used for the actual game.

>>8779367

Yeah, especially with 4 being something he didn't want to do at all originally. I think it's been said that Kojima wasn't interested in 4 at all, but when the team got death threats with no Kojima, he felt like he had to step in.

>>8780873

Perhaps it's just not for you.

>>8780904

Not perhaps, it is not for me I suppose.

really liked rising though so I guess the series stopping at 1 would be a loss

>>8778397

MGS4.

Even though MGS4 and PO kind of sucked, they did a great job of cleanly and definitively ending the series.

>>8779367

He's just sort of a control freak. The only reason the original game got a proper sequel was because someone from Konami ran into him on the train and said he probably could've made a better sequel, which got Kojima's gears turning.

>>8778564

Raiden wasn't that bad, but it was the most unfair cockblock they could have ever possibly fathomed.

>>8778397

The series should have ended with Peace Walker, with 4 having never seen the light of day.

Peace Walker was better than 3. Too bad it is moderately obscure thanks to its mobile platform.

>>8780939

>MGS4

>cleanly ending the series

>"jokes on you, I was only pretending to be Liquid"

>absolutely everything is explained with NANOMACHINES

>Raiden follows the cyborg ninja meme for no fucking reason other than to be edgy

>virus destroys the Patriots and everyone lives happily ever after

>>8778397

From a plot standpoint it should have ended with MGS 2, but MGS 3 was fun.

To be honest I couldn't honestly say.

MGS4.

Say what you will about the writing and gameplay, but it at least gave us a clear-cut conclusion. MGS3 explains jack-shit about MGS2 and ending the series there would probably make more people unhappy.

MGS2. It was so obvious Kojima wanted that to be the end. The ambiguity of what MGS2 was about was clearly intentional, but no, faggots wanted muh snake, so he shat out MGS3, which actually is packed to the brim with things people pissed and moaned about in 2 (convoluted plot, long cutscenes, a whiny protagonist that gets betrayed, Ocelot playing a triple agent, bullshit supernatural elements, etc.) but everyone lapped it up because muh snake, youre pretty good and other memes, and that the gameplay did build on MGS in interesting ways (even though MGS3 is actually broken in parts like the camo index and constant menu switching that ruins the games momentum, but fanboys don't like hearing that).

But of course, not all of 2's questions were answered, hence the shit heep that was MGS4.

>>8778554

So in that case Metal Gear 3– I mean MGS1, is also cancer.

>>8781593

>Raiden follows the cyborg ninja meme for no fucking reason other than to be edgy

In all fairness it was so fucking obvious that if a sequel was going to get made after MGS2, Raiden was going to be the next Grey Fox. Honestly faggots acting all surprised when he was revealed to be in MGS4 for the first time was embarrassing, because it felt so obvious.

>>8783156

>but it at least gave us a clear-cut conclusion

A mountain of retcons is not a clear cut conclusion, it's Kojima shiting on the franchise because he was so fucking done with it.

As amazing as 3 was, I believe 2 would've been a better conclusion for the series. I would write a wall of text about my opinion but I'm not really feeling up to it, sorry.

>>8781217

>Peace Walker was better than 3

Are we talking writing or gameplay?

The story builds off of 3 and I honestly don't think it has much of 3's emotional impact

The gameplay's pretty shit because Kojima, for some reason, decided to put RPG elements in a fucking stealth game.

>>8783301

>convoluted plot

>MGS3

MGS3 had the simplest plot ever. It's just a straight spy story.

It never even should have gotten to Solid. It should have ended with Metal Gear. It got worse with every sequel

>>8784862

>It got worse with every sequel

How was Metal Gear 2 not better than Metal Gear in any way?

I like MGS3 a lot, but being honest, there's no need for it to be a Metal Gear game. Snake eater could be a stand alone game, it's just a bunch of James bond cliches twisted around in a tropical forest on Russia. It's a cool game and it's fun (for me), but i don't see the need for it to be part of MG franchise.

So MGS2 would fit better as a last game (IMHO)

>This whole thread

>No one answers "A fully completed MGSV."

I bet he had planned to take us through at least 3 more fully fleshed out areas and a whole bunch of extra shit, no to mention co-op.

It was going to be the game to end all games. Motherfucking Konami.

>>8785468

>"A fully completed MGSV."

I'm getting tired of this incomplete MGSV thing.

You want the truth buddy boy?

The game is complete. What you feel about the game is the phantom pain the game is talking about.

It's the PTSD the games simulates. It's the lack of something, something that should be there but it's not.

That's the joke, you're Big Boss and Big Boss have PTSD, he doesn't even know if he's really himself.

But that's just my opinion, it's not like kojima have done this before…right?

>>8785577

>Confirmed for knowing literally nothing about the game dev process

You want the truth buddy boy?

No game is complete.

Every single game that comes out gets rushed by the fucking publisher and pushed out before the final tweaks that make it really shine are put in place.

Every single game that comes out will never be as good as it could have been.

2 should have been the last while 3 and 4 should have been some sort of spinoff series.

4 could have been made as some sort of alternate timeline thing that could've very much well worked with 2. 3 could've also been good had they waited to release it on ps3 and refined some aspects of the game.

Yes, I enjoyed 4 and it could have been a hell of a game if people didn't try to fuck with Kojima's vision

In a perfect world 2.

3 for canon.

4 if I could forget V ever happened.

I'd say in a perfect world, 2 would have been the last one because 3 was enough of a success to see 4 come to fruition with V being the result.

>>8784888

It's bait you doofus, these contrarian shitters are on every thread.

>>8778554

MGS1 ended with the reveal of the 3rd Snake so they had to make a sequel.

>>8785949

At the end of GoW 2 I mean.

Sage for double post.

>>8785606

>very single game that comes out gets rushed by the fucking publisher and pushed out

The game devs can run out of cash.

The time frame when they want to release the game can have an impact

The popular trends the devs want to cash in.

Problems with the team or some other office problems.

A lot of things can be a reason for a game to go out incomplete.

I'm just talking about MGSV. If you try to see the game from my perspective, there's some merit to it.

From your perspective, it's just an unnecessary piece of franchise to sell some base insurance contracts…

But that's just my opinion buddy boy, you don't need to care about it.

>>8784746

Yeah, Ocelot's and the Boss' allegiance wasn't convoluted at all.

I understood it but don't you dare fucking say it's a "straight story". It was typical convoluted MGS bullshit courtesy of Kojima that got a pass because the player avatar was "Snake" and had some nifty albeit broken survival mechanics.

Game should've ended with V. But V should've been finished. It's obvious with the missing Flies, as well as the broken plot threads all over the place that Konami fucked Kojima over. Not to mention all the shit we kept hearing about when MGSV first came out, what with Konamis CEO hating Kojima, intentionally moving offices on them, turning off power in their offices and shit. Anything to try to get them to quit before being fired.

All for fucking pachinko machines.

>>8780873

Pretty much.

HOTGUY

MGR

>>8793609

That's a non canon spin off not directed by Kojima you mongoloid.

>>8793657

That's like your opinion man.

>>8793657

If MGS3 has archaic controls MGS2 also has archaic controls.

Metal Gear as a series hasn't had very good boss battles.

3 for sure

4 may as well have been released in theaters as a 6 hour long CGI movie

PW was fun but was ultimately a departure from the series gameplay

V was an absolute shit show

>>8793654

Sorry

Every MG game was supposed to be the last.

Kojima made MG1 and only made MG2 after Snake's Revenge was made without him knowing and he went off to make 2 quickly because fuck letting other people screw up his games. Once 3D was coming along Konami wanted another MG so Kojima basically repurposed MG2 but in 3D hence the Solid in the title as it's all Solid models now. It was so insanely popular that he wasn't allowed to not make a sequel and he made MGS2 to try and tell people to stop riding snake's dick so much. MGS3 was basically giving people what they want but a bit different so he can hopefully move onto something else but when people kept asking about solid snake he made 4 as a big "Fuck You" and a plea to just let him die.

MGS2 is the finale of the series. MGS3 is fanwank.

>>8793723

MGS2 doesn't have archaic controls since the controls and environment of the game fit very well into the controls.

MGS3 is slow and plodding with more open levels compared to MGS2 and 1.

>>8786029

>Yeah, Ocelot's and the Boss' allegiance wasn't convoluted at all.

It really wasn't. They were both working for America.