You deny its causal role in our species #1 cause of death. Read the studies before you posting trash about health or I might ban you
>It's the high fat in bone marrow, brain and fatty meat cuts that caused our brain to evolve you retard, not the bare calorie surplus.
Oh, so you know? That's great, you should get in touch with all the people researching this branch of ideas and tell them you got this one sorted out for them. Surely you've got evidence.
>Animals aren't humans. Their dietary nutrients are needed for *optimal* health. You can survive on a vegan diet for a few years - then your teeth fall out, your bone density decreases, your muscle mass becomes non-existent, your mental performances degrades, you age rapidly from the oxidative damage, etc. Veganism is an active starvation diet. Not calorie wise, but nutritional starvation.
Read the thread before posting nonsense or I may ban you
Read the studies. If you don't, and continue posting about health, you'll be banned. If you're not an expert, forget what you know about nutrition and just accept that plants are perfectly sufficient, as such is stated by every by every major health organization.
>Also we can't eat humans due to prions and tons of pollutants being bound up in human fat.
We can absolutely avoid and reduce prion risk through only eating certain parts of the body and using breeding/genetic techniques. This is what we do for animals, why wouldn't we also do it for humans, if we were going to farm them. There are plenty of pollutants in farm animal's fat.. Also is your argument for why we don't eat people "because we'd get sick" lmao?
>Appeal to authority fallacy.
Well either accept what EVERY MAJOR HEALTH ORGINIZATION SAYS, DESPITE living in a world where animals are common dietary commodities, OR you can read the fucking studies to educate yourself (first your dumbass will have to learn to read properly). Your third option is getting banned.
>Veganism is dysgenics and the ones in power are gleefully looking forward to eradicating the lower classes.
Just imagine believing this trash for one second
>Also nearly all studies are comparative, questionaires or other rubbish with zero actual science behind it. Often they're also bankrolled by the adventist church who has a religious bias
Actually, I am timing you out. Your (lack of) understanding of the accumulation of medical data, while simultaneously saying that you require meat and all health organizations are shills is not worth anymore of my time.
>Animals have no will nor do they have agency.
Quite a claim considering the massive pool of data we have on how animals react to basically any stimulus we can think of.
How do you rationalize a pig running away from a knife differently than a child running from one? Have you heard of Occam's Razor?
What do you make of this? https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2Fs10071-015-0872-2
There is no reason to believe animals are operating on distinctively different mechanisms than our own, when considering we've shared a nervous system/brain configuration and the very same chemicals in our endocrine system for longer than humans have even existed.
>You kill someone or something humanely by doing it with the least amount of pain and trauma possible. Look up EXIT. Would I rather get a bolt to the head like most European slaughter or be bled out in a Kosher/Halal slaughter over hours dangling alive from the ceiling? I'll take the former.
Well if you have no need to take the life, then there's no humane way to take it. To take it would be inhumane, because it would be causing suffering and death intentionally, without an important reason.
>Hey retard, phytoestrogens do actually end up in the bloodstream, they do bind to estrogen receptors and they do exhibit estrogenic activity.
Sounds like a pretty hard medical claim. Definitely warrants a study, since for one I know I can find studies for the contrary (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5188409/ "Concerns that the estrogen-like properties of isoflavones produce untoward effects in some subpopulations, such as postmenopausal women, are not supported by the clinical and epidemiologic research."), and also I've been drinking and eating soy almost daily for years and my hormones are exactly what they should be.
>And no, "mammalian hormones" cannot do the same. They have no hormonal activity when eaten because they're not methylated so they have no bioactive properties. t. someone who actually knows shit about biochemistry
This is hilarious for me. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4524299/ "The collected data from other researchers and our own data are indicating that the presence of steroid hormones in dairy products could be counted as an important risk factor for various cancers in humans."
>Ok. Why don't they?
Dodge #2 Impressive mental gymnastics! I literally answered this by saying I annoy anyone of any color about animal rights.
>Nah nigger we both know why. Because you know only whites eat up your guilt propaganda.
That's racist, not that I'm surprised at this point. I've had great conversations with people from a variety of ethnic backgrounds.
>Appeal to authority fallacy yet again.
Failure of reading comprehension once again.
>Prove it. I'll wait. While you're at it let's see where you get all your B vitamins from. Inb4 supplements.
Also, what is wrong with supplements lmfao? Also, MOST PEOPLE are deficient in B complex vitamins and B12 in particular, despite NOT BEING VEGAN. Are you saying that methylcobalamin and algae pills are bad for you? This isn't an argument, dude.
> have no problem with vegans taking their ethics over their own personal health. It's eugenics for the rest of us since your women become infertile and your men's sperm count plummets.
Prove it, I'll wait.
>On top of most vegans getting vasectomies and tubes tied. Veganism is largely a self solving problem apart from the propaganda.
Prove it, I'll wait. (after your timeout of course)
>Sounds like that guy hit you in your weakspot. Which is it, are you fat or a skelly?
Sounds like he was beginning to annoy me much like yourself. I don't have much tolerance for bad-faith conversationalists. I was obese for years, then I went vegan now I'm in the best shape of my life and stronger than ever.
>It's the gear you muppet. Look up what the autopsy report of Andreas Münzer showed.
I know steroids are a factor, but beyond people who use gear, they tend to suffer artery disease at a higher frequency. I'm fine dropping this since it's not a relevant point one way or the other to veganism or heart disease really.
>The most anabolic proteins are whey isolate and from that down there's the meat derived ones and loooong afterwards come the plant proteins.
So eat a variety of plants? Fucking idiot? Can you show literally any hard evidence that plant based athletes tend to compete at a lower level?
>Fitbro is right in that a natty will not gain shit on vegan proteins
Actually this is may be true, because the average brain size on /fit/ wont allow them to process the data required to learn something new and admit their diet is trash.
>Tell that to your other vegan lunatics. They say the exact opposite.
No, they don't. You can find a loud minority in any group saying dumb shit or doing dumb shit. I guess this sort of fallacy is right down your aisle, at this point. I'm going to enjoy banning you after this.
>What's there not to get? Whites the absolute #1 target group of vegans. I don't see you shits attacking the Japanese or the Nigerians - or even better the fucking kikes who bleed out cattle willfully and while at full conscious.
Show me someone who believes they can justify treating animals as lifeless commodities and I'll show you someone who I'm willing to talk to about animals. Their fucking skin doesn't matter, and what REALLY doesn't matter is what someone as biased as you "sees" vegans doing, you fucking moron.
>Prove it. Unprocessed animal foods from high quality sources are the least inflammatory, most bioavailable, most nutrient dense and biocompatible food in existence.
Set up some appointments with your Doc. Tell them to monitor inflammation. Eat a hamburger, or a steak, or an egg. Watch as you and your doctor notice your arteries become more inflamed before your eyes.
Next appointment, do the same thing, but this time eat rice and beans, or oatmeal, or a salad, or potatoes, and watch as nothing happens.
t. someone who's actually studied inflammation
>What a pissy pseudointellectual you are. That anon was clearly talking about evolutionary adaptation of our digestion when he talked about it being "natural".
Which I've already dismissed as false multiple times in this very thread. The fact is, regardless of our evolution, that we can thrive on plant foods. Just like how rape had evolutionary value, but is no longer acceptable.
>No lmao. There are plenty of vegans who end up in jail because they feed their infants nothing but fruit smoothies and then wonder why they died.
Plenty? Name 5 people that have done this. Also, who THE FUCK CARES what some retard did to their child? You blame veganism, not the parents, schools, etc? Who's the pissy psuedo intellectual?
>It's the worst possible diet on the planet for optimal health.
Just so you know, one reason that you're getting banned because you've said something to this effect like 6x to me all in one reply, without ever substantiating it, all while I have already dismissed these claims in this very thread, and in the thread talking more about nutrition, all of which you failed to read before replying in this manner.
>There are no bioavailable hormones in mother's milk you full retard.
Whether or not the hormone is bioavailable isn't exactly relevant to a child utilizing it. The mother is producing some of these hormones expressly for the child as well.
>There's enzymes and bacteria.
Yes as well as hormones, and other shit besides "just enzymes and bacteria".
This is so satisfying
>Unoxidized cholesterol is a ROS scavenger, an anti oxidant, a myelin-sheath builder and THE most important precursor molecule in our body. To claim it is in any way bad in its natural form is two digit IQ tier. Cholesterol only has negative consequences for us if it's oxidized or fractioned such as through homogenization (shooting fat molecules onto a steel plate at high pressure to shatter the structure).
Hey look at that you read something somewhere about some mechanisms of cholesterol, congratulations I guess you're a super doc who can disregard any study. Cholesterol is subject to oxidation in your blood, for one. It's actually really complicated and I'm not getting into it here because what's important to remember is
This is a vegan board, not a disease board
You can thrive on plants, and I've provided PLENTY of evidence for this on the board
Since you can thrive on plants (which I will begin to assume outright and simply link to medical and nutritional resources instead of having conversations as useless as this one) you must justify animal cruelty on something other than your health. That's what the conversation is supposed to be about.
>The majority of European whites do. Furthermore raw milk contains digestive enzymes for lactose and galactose procession - part of the reason why it goes sour after a while.
Neat? I'm starting to think I might have an enzyme for fucking your mom.
>I've taken growth hormone for several years and I have neither cancer nor am I dead. Stop making up shit.
Guess that means you'll never get cancer or die, and that growth hormones are completely safe. Damn you sure got me with your unpenetrable deductive reasoning.
>You're the exact kind of pseudointellectual that has a barely above average mind
Wow I'm reeling
>thinks he now knows everything without doing any actual research.
Fucking hilarious. Didn't you just say that research was bunk because it's all questionnaires and has biased funding?
>There is no growth hormone in breast milk and even if there was it wouldn't be bioavailable. Growth hormone needs to be injected to be bioactive or alternatively an oral ghrelin mimetic has to be used like Ibutamoren Mesylate.
There are studies that I've linked you to that show how rates of IGF1 go up as you consume animal protein. I don't even know why we're talking about mother's milk unless you're still appealing to a couple of retarded vegans as an argument.
>Maybe if you weren't chronically lacking dietary animal fats you wouldn't get pissy at someone asking you to prove your idiotic claims.
Imagine thinking eating plants is idiotic
>Atherosclerosis is caused by the inflammatory damage created by carbohydrates.
And yet, no study. When I've linked like 5-7 studies that all say the exact opposite. You probably take that chiropractor for his word, too.
>It beats starving. Every culture valued animal products - especially meat - as the most sought after food. Read Dr. Weston Price's book about the dietary habbits of tribes.
Are you about to appeal to nature like that guy you tried defending?
You're right, we've always eaten meat for as long as we've been survivalist eaters. We didn't farm, though. No real reason to do either anymore.
>Appeal to authority fallacy. Also wrong. You can stay alive as a vegan but you cannot live optimally.
Appealing to seperate world health orginizations all saying the same thing, despite it being contradictory with the status quo, and appealing to medical studies, makes us fallacious.
But you get to throw out the opinions of professionals and throw out any study without reading it and countering with one of your own, or any claims of substance.
You sir are very confused on the nature of fallacies. I'm actually kind of sad for you.
>If that were the case you wouldn't be here shilling your lies to people.
It is true because the amount of people being vegan is raising, and there's only 2 futures for humans, a vegan one or a non-existent one.
>I'm not gonna address the rest of the posts because it looks like it's the above statements repeated again. If you think you have other arguments let me know so I can prove you wrong again. Pic related, me cutting up some veal liver last week.
No I think you actually do need to not only address the contents of the comments above, but also re-read them during your ban. Look at the studies. Educate yourself on the pools of medical and nutritional data, since that was your only argument (and remains unsubstantiated) for 3 whole pages of replies.